[esp-r] Re: Non-rectangular obstruction block

Fri Dec 10 18:28:00 GMT 2010

Hi Per

if you haven't already found it in the mean time: I think it is the option "upgrade files" in the "preferences" menu found in the main project manager menu (more or less at the bottom).

Best
Achim

On Dec 10, 2010, at 1:24 PM, Per Haugaard wrote:

> Dear Achim and list,
>  
> Thank you for your inputs.
> I can't seem to find how or where to convert from the old to the new .geo-format.
> Any inputs on this?
> 
> 
> _______
> --- Den fre 10/12/10 skrev Achim.geissler <achim.geissler at intergga.ch>:
> 
> Fra: Achim.geissler <achim.geissler at intergga.ch>
> Emne: AW: [esp-r] Re: Non-rectangular obstruction block
> Til: perhaugaard at yahoo.dk, "ESP-r_ny" <esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk>
> Dato: fredag 10. december 2010 12.16
> 
> Hi Per
> 
> the message in regard to materials / constructions is not important, if you are not using the corresponding construction. Otherwise it is probably easiest to edit the construction in the database editor.
> 
> In regard to obstructions:
> The .obs file is not used when using the new .geo format. Obstructions are part of the new .geo files. 
> 
> You must convert your .geo files to the new format. Then I would suggest defining one or two simple obstructions and converting only one to polygons.
> 
> Something like this should end up in the .geo file:
> 
> # 
> # block entities:
> #  *obs = obstructions
> *block_start,20 20 # geometric blocks
> *obs,-4.900,-7.000,0.000,5.800,1.000,2.950,0.000,blk_1,extern_wall  # block  1
> *obs,1.200,-7.000,0.000,3.600,1.000,2.950,0.000,blk_2,extern_wall  # block  2
> *obsp,8,6,blk_3,extern_wall  # block  3 coords follow:
> 5.200,-7.000,0.000,8.800,-7.000,0.000,8.300,-6.000,0.000,5.200,-6.000,0.000  # 1-4 
> 5.200,-7.000,2.950,8.800,-7.000,2.950,8.300,-6.000,2.950,5.200,-6.000,2.950  # 5-8 
> 
> You then need to calculate shading via the menu options. See the tester model "sloped_obstr".
> 
> Best 
> Achim
> 
> --------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Von: perhaugaard at yahoo.dk
> An: "ESP-r_ny" <esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk>, "Achim.geissler" <achim.geissler at intergga.ch>
> Betreff: [esp-r] Re: Non-rectangular obstruction block
> Datum: 10/12/10 11:06
> 
> Dear Achim and list,
> 
> I updated ESP-r to version 11.9 to include non-rectangular polygon obstruction blocks. 
> 
> The first thin I noticed loading the model after the update was the following error mesasge:
> 
> "Using inst! alled version of esprc file.
> When scanning materials db looking for legacy index          40
> no match found for material named Concrete med density (1800) : Blockwork (UK code)"
> 
> Is there an easy workaround for this?
> 
> Secondly the conversion of obstruction blocks to polygons seem to fail and I cannot enter coordinates for the 8 vertices's and hence make polygon obstruction block. Can I enter this manually within the obs-file and how would the syntax look like?
> 
> Below you will find the present output when making polygon obstruction blocks:
> 
> # site obstruction file defined in ../zones/Sydlig_del.obs
> # associated with zone geometry file ../zones/Sydlig_del.geo
>  0. 0.   # dummy values for site position
>     2    # no obstruction blocks
> # origin X Y Z, width, depth, height, rot angle, descr, material
> 0.000 0.000 0.! 000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 Top roof_1 # block 1
> 0.000 0..000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 new_blk NONE # block 2
> # grid surf X surf Z
>     15    15
> 
> Best regard
> 
> Per Haugaard
> 
> 
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> --- Den tors 9/12/10 skrev Achim.geissler <achim.geissler at intergga.ch>:
> 
> Fra: Achim.geissler <achim.geissler at intergga.ch>
> Emne: [esp-r] Re: Non-rectangular obstruction block
> Til: perhaugaard at yahoo.dk, "ESP-r_ny" <esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk>
> Dato: torsdag 9. december 2010 16.20
> 
> Hi Per
> 
> you most likely need a newer ! version of ESP-r or must at least convert your .geo file to the new format with tags. Then you can define non-rectangular obstructions. There should be a menu item "convert to free form" (or similar) in the obstruction editing menu.
> 
> Best
> Achim
> 
> --------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Von: perhaugaard at yahoo..dk
> An: "ESP-r_ny" <esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk>
> Betreff: [esp-r] Non-rectangular obstruction block
> Datum: 09/12/10 15:52
> 
> Hi,
>  
> I am working in ESP-r version 11..4 modeling a building with a large non-rectangular roof which shades the south facaing facades.
>  
> I read in a prior mail from Jon, that obstruction blocks can be modelled with 6 sides. This seens hardli possi! ble when looking at the .obs file.
>  
> My question is how can I model an obstruction block or shading which 5 or 6 sides?
>  
>  
>  /Per
> 
> 
> 
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