[esp-r] Re: cooling

Achim.geissler achim.geissler at intergga.ch
Thu Feb 27 20:20:09 GMT 2014


Dear Arianna,

O.K., so you have an afn, are using basic zone control to heat / cool the
air points of your zones. You have heating only in the bedroom and cooling
only in the living room.

Is the cooling load due to climate (high ambient temperatures) or more due
to solar loads? I.e., if you reduce air flow (via afn), which must happen
(have you compared air change rates with doors open / closed?), and the
cooling load is due to solar loads, then it would seem fairly natural for
the cooling load to increase (less heat extraction by air change with
comparatively cool ambient air).

Best
Achim

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Von: Arianna Sdei <A.Sdei at brighton.ac.uk>
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Datum: 27/02/14 19:50

> 
> Hi Hua,
> 
> &nbsp;
> thank you very much. I have checked and it looks like with the doors open
the ventilation load reduces while the convection through opaque surfaces
ptn (which
>  I don¡¯t know what it means) increases. Does that make any sense? 
> &nbsp;
> Achim,
> 
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> The absolute cooling increases from 340 kWh/year to 421 kWh/year when the
doors are closed.
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> Can anyone help to clarify why?
> &nbsp;
> Thank you,
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> Regards,
> &nbsp;
> Arianna
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> From:
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> Sent: 27 February 2014 12:57
> To: Arianna Sdei
> Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: cooling
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> Dear Adriana, I suggest use RESULT ANALYSIS to check the energy balance of
the zone, ESP-r will split , in every time step, into&nbsp;infiltration,
ventilation, storage,&nbsp;convection etc. Just check one tipical heating or
cooling time step. In
>  this way, you can check which parameter increases&nbsp;which does
not,&nbsp;it may be&nbsp;helpful for you&nbsp;furture analysis.
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> Regards,
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> Hua&nbsp;
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> 2014-02-27 13:28 GMT&#43;01:00 Arianna Sdei
&lt;A.Sdei at brighton.ac..uk&gt;:
> 
> 
> Dear Achim,
> 
> &nbsp;
> Thank you for your comment. I do have an afn defined and I am only
imposing a cooling set point temperature
>  on the control file for the living room during the day and the bedroom at
night. There is no night time cooling at the moment. The cooling load seems
to increase slightly in his absolute value while the heating reduces quite a
lot . I will send you more detailed
>  figures shortly,
> &nbsp;
> regards
> Arianna
> 
> &nbsp;
> 
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> From:
> esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk]
> On Behalf Of Achim Geissler
> Sent: 25 February 2014 19:31
> To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club
> Subject: [esp-r] Re: cooling
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> &nbsp;
> Dear Arianna,
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> &nbsp;
> 
> 
> the information about the model is a bit scarce.
> 
> 
> - do you have an afn defined?
> 
> 
> - how is this affected by closing doors?
> 
> 
> - could closing doors reduce night time cooling (if any)?
> 
> 
> - how is the AC modelled? Do ducts run through zones that may become
warmer by closing doors?
> 
> 
> - how do surface temperatures of the living room change after closing
doors (i.e., does the bedroom become hot and what is the construction
between these zones)?
> 
> 
> - is the cooling load absolutely higher or relatively?
> 
> 
> &nbsp;
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> 
> ¡­ and maybe a few more I am not thinking about, right now.
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> &nbsp;
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> Cheers,
> 
> 
> Achim
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> On Feb 25, 2014, at 6:23 PM, Arianna Sdei &lt;A.Sdei at brighton.ac.uk&gt;
wrote:
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> Dear All,
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> 
> 
> I am running some simulations in a multizone model of a single storey
house with one bedroom and one living room.
>  I am controlling some air conditioning in the living room only from May
to September. So, I thought that by closing the door of the living room I
would get a lower cooling load. But actually if I close all doors in the
house I get a slightly higher cooling
>  load and a lower heating load. Do you know why? Let me know,
> 
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