[esp-r] Re: furniture in esp-r

leen peeters l.f.r.peeters at gmail.com
Mon May 23 19:43:55 BST 2011


Hi Achim,

we planned to do some experiments to see how things should be taken into
account, what the influence is on all modes of heat transfer for a range of
potential settings.
It seemed usefull to first check how popular building simulation codes
handle the issue.
So, I will take the explanation below and I assume it can be coupled to the
adaptive convection algorithm.

What I mean by loading and unloading is that the volume, representing the
furniture, has to take part in convection and radiation (and potentially
some conduction) in order to exchange heat and thus influence its thermal
state.

Leen

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Achim Geissler
<achim.geissler at intergga.ch>wrote:

> Dear Leen
>
> possibly you want to use "hanging surfaces". I am not sure what you mean by
> "charging and discharging" other than thermal capacity, but such hanging
> surfaces have all the same properties as normal zone bounding surfaces.
>
> "Furniture against the wall" is a difficult one. As a first thought, you
> can "cut the appropriate surface into the wall" and then give this surface a
> different construction which has an additional layer and thermal resistance
> on the interior. I assume you would like to have reduced surface
> temperatures in the region of the furniture?
>
> However, often problems arise when thermal bridging (internal walls meet
> external walls, floors meet external walls and such) and furniture
> "collide". For this, you would need an (at least) 2d calculation, I would
> say. ESP-r has such a module, however, I do not know if it is still
> "active".
>
> For what its worth.
>
> Best
> Achim
>
>
> On May 23, 2011, at 8:23 PM, leen peeters wrote:
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > what is the best way of modelling the effect of furniture in ESP-r? I
> mean not only the thermal capacity, but the charging and discharging of it
> and the potential effect of furniture that is located against a wall.
> >
> > Thanks already,
> >
> > Leen
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