[esp-r] Res: AW: H3K / XML / CSV Output

[Ian McCall]

Hello Achim (& Fellow ESP-r's),

Thanks for the below explanations.

1)  My control is super simple for this model > Basic Control > Heating 
Set-point of 19 C. How does the heating system work? Would the size (or more 
specifically the oversizing) of the heating system affect the basic control? Can 
it be regulated or is it either "on" / "off"? Would oversizing account for the 
below fluctuations? 


You mentioned  "do not integrate time step values" for the results file. Is this 
option available? If it does exist can you help me find it? What I do to display 
information is: 

> Results Analysis > Time-step reports > preformance metrics > heating / cool / 
>humidify > Sensible heating load

> I output the information to a file. 

None of the following Data Display options give me what I want: 
> Data Display options: (currently variable)
- integrated - 
- rate of change of variable - 
- variable - 
- continue - 

2) Thanks for the clarification ... CSV & XML are always produced with the H3K 
option ... I think there still exists a menu sensitivity in the Native Windows 
Version that does not appear in the Linux Version. (This one is probably for 
Jon). 


Regards,

Ian




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De: Achim.geissler <achim.geissler at intergga.ch>
Para: IanMcCall <ijmccall at yahoo.com>; ESP-r <esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk>
Cc: JonHand <jon at esru.strath.ac.uk>
Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 25 de Agosto de 2010 12:20:36
Assunto: AW: [esp-r]  H3K / XML / CSV Output

Hi Ian

some thoughts:

1) res gives output for either timestep values or hourly, depending on your 
choice in prj. The h3k output, however, is always the time step. The switch 
"time step averaging" does not do what one might expect (at least I did), namely 
average the time steps to an hour. It averages the run time "present" and 
"future" values for each variable before output.

So, the only basis for comparison would be "do not integrate time step values" 
for res.

What kind of control do you have?

2) h3k output is controlled by the input.xml file. Via the menu you can 
(basically) set this up. As far as I know, both .csv (time step results) and 
.xml (summary results) are always generated.

Best
Achim




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Von: "Ian McCall" <ijmccall at yahoo.com>
An: "ESP-r" <esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk>
Cc: "Jon Hand" <jon at esru.strath.ac.uk>
Betreff: [esp-r]  H3K / XML / CSV Output
Datum: 25/08/10 11:39


Hello Fellow ESP-r Community, 

1) I have recently been playing with the H3K / XML / CSV Output on the ESP-r 
native windows version. 


I ran the simulation at time steps of 20 minutes. When I look at the results 
file > sensible heating load ... I get a total value and list of values that 
look reasonable.
#Time BasseHeatInj(kW)
'00:30:30'       3.44
'01:30:30'       3.76
'02:30:30'       3.94
'03:30:30'       4.00
'04:30:30'       3.9!  5
'05:30:30'       3.93
'06:30:30'       3.80
'07:30:30'        3.73
'08:30:30'       3.74
'09:30:30'       3.75
'10:30:30'       3.70

When I look at the CVS file the total supplied energy is the same as the above 
results file, but the individual hourly values fluctuate considerably and they 
do not match the sensible hourly heating requirements of the results file.
> building/all_zones/supplied_energy/net_flux: Net heat/cooling supplied to the 
>building (all zones). (kW) 
>

2.77
4.75
3.13
4.87
3.03
4.83
2.78
4.68
2.79
4.71
2.70
4.50

I have confirmed that these fluctuations occurs with time-steps of 1 hour, 30 
minutes and 20 minutes. It!   also occurs on ESP-r Linux version. Any ideas? 



2) When I go into the >Integrated Simulation >H3K Reports Configuration the menu 
seems to have a several sensitivities: 

- I can enable the H3K Reports but I  cannot dis-able the reports (i.e. H3K 
Reports >> enabled) ... normally a second click should disable the reports and 
close the menus (i.e. H3K Reports >> disabled).
- There is no option of the output i.e. CVS or XLM (i.e. XSLT Formatted output) 
... it seems to output both files at the same time. Is this intentional? 

(There could be other sensitivities in the menu that I am unaware of because I 
don't normally use the ESP-r Linux version.) 


Regards,

Ian

Ecole des Mines de Nantes

 

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