[esp-r] Re: timedependent behaviour of control loop

[Aizaz Samuel]

Achim,

No simple way of what you say comes to mind save using temporal definition. 
Currently running a consecutive simulation is possible using day type 
extensions available in my branch (day types need to be increased to 52x3 
days). I do not know how critical the model is to initial values or how 
variegated the control loops are. It should be possible to use fewer day 
types and more simulations by modelling recommended number of pre-sim days 
(or more) with requisite controls. Again this too will be model specific. 

It does present a case for further development though in that final timestep 
conditions from a previously run simulation be imposed as the initial 
conditions for another simulation.

To get the ADEPT project do as Jeremy states or get the readme file from 
http://www.sesg.strath.ac.uk/Downloads/ADEPT2.0_Readme.pdf
and follow it for the full download

Regards,
Aizaz

On Monday 10 November 2008 11:10, Achim Geissler wrote:
> Aizaz,
>
> that sounds interesting. How does one ensure that each consecutive week
> starts out with the building in the state at the end of the week, i.e.
> without "startup" each time which may or may not lead to the same results
> (the link you gave did not work for me, sadly)?
>
> Regards,
> Achim
>
>
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> [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Aizaz Samuel
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 11:41 AM
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> Subject: [esp-r] Re: timedependent behaviour of control loop
>
> Christian,
>
> Once the new version is out you may impose seasonal control.
> You will need to define the actual days of year to be different day types
> in
>
> the context menu first (say summer week/sat/sunday and winter
> week/sat/sunday). You can then define different behaviour for different day
> types as usual in the controls.
>
> In order to have 52 different loops for the one zone, one (quite powerful)
> way
> is to define 52 cfg files and 52 associated control files (possibly using a
> text editor). Simulate each of these for one week of the year using a shell
> script. Run results analysis using a script as well and output useful
> results
> to some format of relevance. One useful example is ADEPT2.0 at
> http://www.sesg.strath.ac.uk/downloads.html The scripts there run 125
> models
>
> for 8 days each and output results to csv files.
>
> Regards,
> Aizaz
>
> On Monday 10 November 2008 09:44, Georgios Kokogiannakis wrote:
> > Hi Christian,
> >
> > this is actually a very good question. I recently faced the same issue
> > for one of the CEN validation tests that asks for time shifting between
> > winter and summer for both heating and cooling calculations.
> > The answer is: yes, it is possible. It really though depends what type of
> > control you need to use. If you just want ideal controls you can use the
> > "imposed measured data" option in the "model context" menu and you can
> > define setpoints for every timestep of your simulation. This way you can,
> > for example, account for the time shifting between winter and summer.
> > However, only heating setpoint is allowed in the standard distribution of
> > ESP-r. If you want to assign heating and cooling setpoint at the same
> > time then you will need to checkout my branch with a subversion client
> > (email
>
> me
>
> > if you need more details on this). I have used this control and it
>
> improved
>
> > significantly my results for the validation test.
> > Aizaz Samuel recently improved the standard control loops to accept more
> > day types (you will have to checkout his branch for this) but this will
> > still not do what you want.
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> > Georgios
> >
> > On Monday 10 November 2008 09:05, Christian Anker Hviid wrote:
> > > Hello ESP-r users
> > >
> > > This may be a stupid question but I am wondering what happened to the
> > > different day type index numbers? Index 1-3 still exists as weekdays
> > > and sat and sun. But what happened to 4-7?
> > >
> > > This leads to my true question: is it possible to specify different
> > > behaviour for summer and winter for a weekday/sat/sun control loop? In
> > > some places 52 different loops - one for each week - are mentioned as
> > > an option, but how would you do that in a smart way? In other
> > > simulation programs you can specify a hierarchy of control loops, but
> > > this is not possible in ESP-r.
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > > Christian Hviid, DTU
> > >
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