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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=JA link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'>Hello Achim, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'>Thank you for the mail.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'>I can control humidity and get latent load output when using “ideal control” by enabling humidity control.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'>In this “ideal control” with humidity control enabled, the humidity control stops working if I change the target temperature from dBT to zone resultant temperature.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'>At the moment, the only way I can get humidity control and latent load output is “ideal control” using dBT as the target temperature.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'>As I have wrote in my previous mail, I can make a “plant” which affects the humidity as intended.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'>The main problem is that the latent load is always “0”.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'>At the moment, the only way that I can get the latent load is by outputting the plant’s “input” and “output” specific humidity, mass flow rate and using a spreadsheet to calculate the latent load.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'>The result of the calculation gives me confidence that the simulation itself is behaving as it should. The psychometric chart output (of the result analysis) also shows the expected result. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'>The only problem is that the latent load is “0”.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'>I have attached a link to the simple model that I made. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'>https://www.dropbox.com/sh/683iczt7iacbsei/AAAlmwjYb8_OEEKE2AO5NqNma?dl=0<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'>Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'>Hiroi Nishimatsu<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0mm 0mm 0mm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> esp-r-bounces@lists.strath.ac.uk <esp-r-bounces@lists.strath.ac.uk> <b>On Behalf Of </b>achim.geissler<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 18, 2021 4:24 AM<br><b>To:</b> ESP-r List <esp-r@lists.strath.ac.uk><br><b>Subject:</b> [esp-r] Re: Unable to get Dehumidification Energy<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Hi there,<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>it’s been a while, but did you activate humidity in your zone control? I seem to remember that one had to “activate” humidity in some way and I think it was in the control.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>FWIW.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Best<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Achim<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>On 15 Feb 2021, at 08:19, <<a href="mailto:hiroi@mocha.ocn.ne.jp">hiroi@mocha.ocn.ne.jp</a>> <<a href="mailto:hiroi@mocha.ocn.ne.jp">hiroi@mocha.ocn.ne.jp</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'>Hello esp-r community,</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:游ゴシック'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'> </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:游ゴシック'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'>I am unable to get dehumidification energy values when cooling a room with simple cooler represented by a plant network:</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:游ゴシック'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'>Zone -> Duct_in -> Cooling Coil -> Fan -> Duct_out</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:游ゴシック'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'> </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:游ゴシック'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'>I built 3 identical (geometry, surface attribution) zones, all with a simple cooler as described above.</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:游ゴシック'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'>The only difference is the cooling coil inlet water temperature being 5, 10, 15 degC.</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:游ゴシック'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'>Control was set to keep the zone dBT at 27 degc for all zone by controlling the air movement volume through the cooling coil.</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:游ゴシック'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'>This was done to understand the dehumidification capability of a typical cooler and the resulting zone RH.</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:游ゴシック'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'>The simulation result confirmed that the lower temperature cooling coil setup reduces the zone RH, compared to higher temperature cooling coil setup.</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:游ゴシック'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'>Unfortunately, the dehumidification energy as outputted from the </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'>“<span lang=EN-US>energy delivered</span>”<span lang=EN-US> summary (enquire about -> energy delivered in the Result analyser) shows </span>“<span lang=EN-US>0</span>”<span lang=EN-US> for all zones.</span></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:游ゴシック'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'>This also the case for the output of the time plot graph.</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:游ゴシック'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'> </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:游ゴシック'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'>ESP-r is V13.3.11 but this is also the case with V13.2.6.</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:游ゴシック'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'> </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:游ゴシック'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'>Is there anyone who can help me out?</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:游ゴシック'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'> </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:游ゴシック'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'>Best Regards,</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:游ゴシック'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'>Hiroi Nishimatsu</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:游ゴシック'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:游ゴシック'>Mail:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:hiroi@mocha.ocn.ne.jp">hiroi@mocha.ocn.ne.jp</a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:游ゴシック'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal 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