<div dir="ltr">Hi<div><br></div><div style>Thanks a lot for the advice and the videos. I have discarded the Ecotect idea and will work entirely on ESP-r. I was unable to make satisfactory use of the cookbook because I had not been using it along with the 'Exercises'. I am almost done with both the books and I've enjoyed myself going through them. I shall soon attempt the modelling and simulation and post further enquiries here. </div> <div style><br></div><div style>Thank you</div><div style>Satya</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Jon Hand <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jon@esru.strath.ac.uk" target="_blank">jon@esru.strath.ac.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br> Additional thoughts - 10 zones is more information than a novice will be<br> used to dealing with. Start simple - learn via a three zone model and<br> when comfortable with that level of complexity then try your house. It<br> will take less time and you will make fewer errors.<br> <br> And tell us more about 'ventilated porch'.<br> <br> -Jon Hand<br> ________________________________________<br> From: <a href="mailto:esp-r-bounces@lists.strath.ac.uk">esp-r-bounces@lists.strath.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:esp-r-bounces@lists.strath.ac.uk">esp-r-bounces@lists.strath.ac.uk</a>] On Behalf Of Jon Hand [<a href="mailto:jon@esru.strath.ac.uk">jon@esru.strath.ac.uk</a>]<br> Sent: 11 March 2013 13:54<br> To: Satya; <a href="mailto:esp-r@lists.strath.ac.uk">esp-r@lists.strath.ac.uk</a><br> Subject: [esp-r] Re: Complex Geometry Input: Optimized Approach<br> <div><div class="h5"><br> ESP-r includes its own CAD functions, it is possible to input the scale of complexity<br> that you describe via the in-built interface. If you were working with the 'X11' interface<br> you could take a bitmap image of the plan of the house and use the click-on-bitmap<br> faciility.<br> <br> The Ecotect export facility (unless it has changed) writes to an ancient version of ESP-r.<br> You do not mention which version of Ecotect you are using. It might be that someone<br> in the community might have had experience working with an exported Ecotect model.<br> <br> Realistically, going through multiple tools just to compose geometry seems like lots of places for the<br> process to break down and entities to be mis-interpreted.<br> <br> I can imagine some roof forms which would be tedious to create - a geodesic dome or a<br> hyperbolic paraboloid would be examples. Windows - they are just polygons which have<br> additional attributes which let short-wave radiation pass. Rectangular windows are not<br> much of a hassle, approximating a round window would take longer. The main issue<br> is trying to put more than a couple of windows within a single wall. Much better to subdivide<br> walls if there are going to be lots of windows in a facade.<br> <br> Some people adapt to the ESP-r interface, others find it problematic. I attach a link to<br> a short video showing the modification of a zone to include a sloped ceiling and some of<br> the in-built trig functions.<br> <br> <a href="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/17785121/video_tutorials/geometry_transforms_wc.mp4" target="_blank">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/17785121/video_tutorials/geometry_transforms_wc.mp4</a><br> <br> Could you be more specific about the phrase 'I am unable to make satisfactory use of the Cookbook'<br> Do you need more detail or less detail? Does it miss some topics that are of interest?<br> <br> I can send you links to other video tutorials about materials and constructions and<br> air flow networks if requested.<br> <br> Also - it is polite to you give your name when requesting help. Tell us a bit about<br> what goals you have for your simulation model. It might be possible that you do not<br> need to represent all 10 zones or you might need more zones to make a model that<br> is fit-for-purpose.<br> <br> -Regards, Jon Hand, ESRU<br> <br> ________________________________________<br> From: <a href="mailto:esp-r-bounces@lists.strath.ac.uk">esp-r-bounces@lists.strath.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:esp-r-bounces@lists.strath.ac.uk">esp-r-bounces@lists.strath.ac.uk</a>] On Behalf Of Satya [<a href="mailto:ringo.satyarr@gmail.com">ringo.satyarr@gmail.com</a>]<br> Sent: 08 March 2013 22:40<br> To: <a href="mailto:esp-r@lists.strath.ac.uk">esp-r@lists.strath.ac.uk</a><br> Subject: [esp-r] Complex Geometry Input: Optimized Approach<br> <br> Dear Fellow ESP-r Users,<br> <br> I intend to investigate the thermal performance of a house having<br> <br> one floor,<br> multiple zones (10 rooms),<br> multi-layered walls<br> a ventilated porch and<br> numerous obstructions.<br> <br> After going through some of the threads in the archive I learned that importing/exporting isn't always possible, and when it is there are issues like 'Ecotect models can be exported into ESP-r but shading should be added using ESP-r' and that adding windows and roofs are tricky in ESP-r.<br> <br> So, considering the description of the house, what in your opinion would be the best way to carry out the simulation?<br> <br> I'm looking for something like 'Build CAD model using XYZ software, add windows using ABC and add the roof using PQR, then import into ESP-r and finally add zone and construction data' - or something like that.<br> <br> Also, as a newbie, I am unable to make satisfactory use of the Cookbook and much of what the ESRU site provides. Anyone know of any better sources for tutorials?<br> <br> And lastly, I had come across a thread in which someone spoke of testing the Beta version of an interface which would make modelling in ESP-r '80% faster'. Does something like that exist?<br> <br> <br> <br> Thanks in advance and regards,<br> S<br> <br> </div></div>_______________________________________________<br> esp-r mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:esp-r@lists.strath.ac.uk">esp-r@lists.strath.ac.uk</a><br> <a href="http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r" target="_blank">http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r</a><br> </blockquote></div><br></div>