<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi Francesco<div> </div><div>did I miss out on something here? I seem to remember that you need quite detailed bidirectional data of your facade / blind to use this, no?</div><div> </div><div>What are the advantages over CFCs (if you do not need detailed (measured) data)?</div><div> </div><div>Best</div><div>Achim</div><div> </div><div> <div><div>On Oct 8, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Francesco Frontini wrote:</div> <blockquote type="cite">Dear Dimitris, if you want to model different blind positions you can use the bidirectional model we implemented two years ago in ESP-r under "advanced optics". You can find more information about the bidirectional model (we call it Black Box Model) in the proceedings of the BS conference 2009 in Glasgow. Here the link: <a href="http://www.ibpsa.org/proceedings/BS2009/BS09_0928_935.pdf">http://www.ibpsa.org/proceedings/BS2009/BS09_0928_935.pdf</a> The idea is to model the whole system (glass + blind) as a double glaze unit with the effective direct tau and g-value. As the normal TMC control you can use as set point the incident radiation on the glass and the indoor temperature to change between 6 blind positions. But as I said you can find further information in the papers. For sure you can also ask me for specific problems. 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Today's Topics:   1. Re: Blind / Shutter Controls etc. (Achim Geissler) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 19:06:38 +0200 From: Achim Geissler <<a href="mailto:achim.geissler@intergga.ch">achim.geissler@intergga.ch</a>> Subject: [esp-r] Re: Blind / Shutter Controls etc. To: Dimitris Mantas <<a href="mailto:lmd26@tee.gr">lmd26@tee.gr</a>> Cc: <a href="mailto:esp-r@lists.strath.ac.uk">esp-r@lists.strath.ac.uk</a> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:9FD1017A-1235-4F87-B28E-A35B1EE05CA6@intergga.ch">9FD1017A-1235-4F87-B28E-A35B1EE05CA6@intergga.ch</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Dimitris for the switching of TMC type "windows" you do not use the "optics control". You need to go in the menu "construction materials", choose the zone of interest and then choose "transparent layer properties". Then you are confronted with the choices you probably remember. The setup is not part of the .ctl file but part of the .tmc file. Best Achim On Oct 7, 2010, at 5:18 PM, Dimitris Mantas wrote: > Hi All, > > I 'am trying to locate where I can impose blind/shutter controls. > (e.g switching the optics of windows when radiation, temp or other is above a value). > > I 've tried the optics controls but can't figure out what data to input. > > First, I put a sensor, sensoring radiation on a surface but the program reports back it's going to sense db temp (instead of radiation) on that surface. > Then the actuator is set to actuate the values for the construction chosen (e.g. double, low e glaz.), however I am not asked what the switched values should be > (as it was done in previous esp-r versions). > In in the third menu (period) can't really understand what kind of input is required by the program > (bidirectional ?? and values such as -30, 1 etc.). > > Could you please give me a hint of what to do ? > > I suppose same querries may emerge for the case of lighting controls etc. > > Searched the cookbook but couldn't find my answers. > > thanx in advance, > > Dimitris > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > <a href="mailto:esp-r@lists.strath.ac.uk">esp-r@lists.strath.ac.uk</a> > <a href="http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r" target="_blank">http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r</a> <a href="mailto:achim.geissler@intergga.ch">achim.geissler@intergga.ch</a> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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