Thanks Jon, I gonna switch to OS X or a portable Linux... Victor <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Jon Hand <<a href="mailto:jon@esru.strath.ac.uk">jon@esru.strath.ac.uk</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Ok, lets jump back here. XP does not, by default include the csh or bash shell that TEST is expecting. You get the kind of shells used by TEST on Linux or OSX or Unix or in the Cygwin emulator on XP boxes. You might also get a minimal shell as part of the MSYS environment which can be loaded onto an XP box. We use MSYS as part of our compile environment on Native Windows machines but I have not tried to run the TEST script with it. Also assuming that you can get a command shell you are going to have to be running the text version of ESP-r which is found in the bin_text folder of the XP ESP-r distribution. I think we were all assuming that you were working on a Linux box or similar because the scripting capabilities of XP is rather minimal. There is more information about MSYS if you look in the documentation about setting up a Native Windows machine for ESP-r development. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: victor bunster [<a href="mailto:victorbunster@gmail.com">victorbunster@gmail.com</a>] Sent: 28 July 2010 13:44 <div class="im">To: Jon Hand Cc: Aizaz Samuel; <a href="mailto:esp-r@lists.strath.ac.uk">esp-r@lists.strath.ac.uk</a>; David Garcia Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: Perl script </div><div class="im">A newbie question (first time working with the shell), I still can't run the TEST file. I'm on the C:/ terminal in windows XP I put cd C:\Esru\esp-r\validation\benchmark\QA\model_1.1\cfg and I get into the folder. Then ./TEST but it says "... is not recognized as internal or external command" If I change the file extention it opens in other software (e.g. .txt in the notepad), but not in ESP-r </div><div class="im">On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Aizaz Samuel <<a href="mailto:aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk">aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk">aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk</a>>> wrote: My preference for changing geometry would be to alter coordinates in the geometry file directly using sed. This in my opinion is simpler than going through the interface or a script. Also simulation results could be outputted in xml format and interrogated using a style sheet. This method is more robust than scripts because an interface change makes the script out of date. Regards, Aizaz ________________________________________ From: Jon Hand Sent: 28 July 2010 12:15 To: victor bunster </div>Cc: Aizaz Samuel; <a href="mailto:esp-r@lists.strath.ac.uk">esp-r@lists.strath.ac.uk</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:esp-r@lists.strath.ac.uk">esp-r@lists.strath.ac.uk</a>>; David Garcia <div class="im">Subject: RE: [esp-r] Re: Perl script Given the description below it would probably make more sense to create the base case model using the standard interface (graphic) facilities of ESP-r and prove that that initial model works and that the predictions are ok. Then (recording each step) the keystrokes needed to navigate the interface to the required zone and then edit the vertex X Y Z values associated with the window and save and exit (this would be one script). Another script can be used to invoke a standard simulation and another script can be invoked to extract specific performance data. The invoke standard simulation and extract results scripts could be based on the TEST SIMULATE.wc ANALYSE scripts that are found in the validation/benchmark/QA/model_1.1/cfg folder. To get a feel for this go into that folder and type in the command ./TEST and watch what it does. One invokes scripts from a standard graphic terminal. Scripts would, of course, have to be given execute attributes via an operating system chmod command. ________________________________________ </div><div class="im">From: victor bunster [<a href="mailto:victorbunster@gmail.com">victorbunster@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:victorbunster@gmail.com">victorbunster@gmail.com</a>>] </div><div class="im">Sent: 28 July 2010 11:21 To: Jon Hand </div>Cc: Aizaz Samuel; <a href="mailto:esp-r@lists.strath.ac.uk">esp-r@lists.strath.ac.uk</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:esp-r@lists.strath.ac.uk">esp-r@lists.strath.ac.uk</a>>; David Garcia <div class="im">Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: Perl script Thanks Jon, now I'm more clear, I think working with the text mode and calling the menus with their characters should be more than enough. But specifically, how do you call that commands with Perl (or the C shell)? could you give me a short example? For example, how write and run a script that draws a thermal zone and place a goup of windows with a for loop. I'm working in something like this: -create one 10x10x10m zone, -place one 1x1m window, -simulate and read the thermal data, -move the window 1m in a random direction -simulate, and if better maintaind or else go back. The idea is to automatize this algorithmic process in order to increase its complexity later, but I'm stuck at the basics. I'll take a look to the developers API, I'm looking for a software flexible enough to code some small procedures combining geometric changes & simulation/evaluation and ESP-r looks perfect. Regards Victor </div><div class="im">On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 4:21 AM, Jon Hand <<a href="mailto:jon@esru.strath.ac.uk">jon@esru.strath.ac.uk</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:jon@esru.strath.ac.uk">jon@esru.strath.ac.uk</a>><mailto:<a href="mailto:jon@esru.strath.ac.uk">jon@esru.strath.ac.uk</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:jon@esru.strath.ac.uk">jon@esru.strath.ac.uk</a>>>> wrote: There is perhaps a misunderstanding about how scripts drive esp-r modules. ESP-r modules can be invoked in a text-only mode and each of the menus that would normally be seen in the graphic mode are selected by a single character. Essentially, if you can do a task in ESP-r manually what you want to do is to capture the sequence of key strokes you used and embed them in a script. These scripts are not invoking a 'method', they are navigating the interface and driving the interface to do a specific task (which should work as long as the interface does not change). So first become familiar with the ESP-r interface. It is possible to create a model from scratch via commands and it is possible to take an existing model and alter aspects of the model via commands. And before going to all of that trouble it would be useful to consider what the other options are. There is a so-called META file which is a somewhat compact text file that some 3rd party software uses to pass information about building to ESP-r. The ESP-r Developers Guide includes an API for ~hundred subroutines and lots of other information that might be helpful to you. What is unclear is the big picture of what it is you are trying to do and your goals. If you could provide an outline then it might focus the discussion. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ </div>From: victor bunster [<a href="mailto:victorbunster@gmail.com">victorbunster@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:victorbunster@gmail.com">victorbunster@gmail.com</a>><mailto:<a href="mailto:victorbunster@gmail.com">victorbunster@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:victorbunster@gmail.com">victorbunster@gmail.com</a>>>] <div class="im">Sent: 28 July 2010 01:34 To: Aizaz Samuel </div>Cc: <a href="mailto:esp-r@lists.strath.ac.uk">esp-r@lists.strath.ac.uk</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:esp-r@lists.strath.ac.uk">esp-r@lists.strath.ac.uk</a>><mailto:<a href="mailto:esp-r@lists.strath.ac.uk">esp-r@lists.strath.ac.uk</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:esp-r@lists.strath.ac.uk">esp-r@lists.strath.ac.uk</a>>>; David Garcia; Jon Hand <div class="im">Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: Perl script Thanks for all the feedback, its helping me a lot. I have a couple of more basic questions, I'm not used to ESP-r scripting "environment" (I come from other software with embedded scripting functionality, like ecotect or rhino). I have noticed that many of the scripts use the C:\ shell, but I have a couple of problems to advance in that path. First, I don't know how to run the software's commands, is there any document with the methods or an API guide? for example if I want to create a zone, how do I call that method from inside the shell? The other question regards the possibility to write longer code, for example: create a zone, then 10 windows, assign material, etc... all in one block. I think this should be done in Perl (or Python) but I don't know how to run it and connected to ESP-r methods. Thanks again, Victor </div><div class="im">On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Aizaz Samuel <<a href="mailto:aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk">aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk">aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk</a>><mailto:<a href="mailto:aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk">aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk">aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk</a>>><mailto:<a href="mailto:aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk">aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk">aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk</a>><mailto:<a href="mailto:aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk">aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk">aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk</a>>>>> wrote: Some instances where scripts have been used in the past: 1. ESP-r modelling of domestic heating systems (ADEPT2 available from </div><a href="http://sesg.strath.ac.uk" target="_blank">sesg.strath.ac.uk</a><<a href="http://sesg.strath.ac.uk" target="_blank">http://sesg.strath.ac.uk</a>><<a href="http://sesg.strath.ac.uk" target="_blank">http://sesg.strath.ac.uk</a>><<a href="http://sesg.strath.ac.uk" target="_blank">http://sesg.strath.ac.uk</a>>) has scripts that simulate and list the results into csv <div><div></div><div class="h5">files that are readable by spreadsheet macros. 2. Simulation of test models that simulate and write out results in pdf format. These are used for running comparison tests periodically and writing out a nicely formatted report. 3. Running regression testing that involves subversion commands, forcheck, compilation, simulation, results analysis and some other software testing tasks. (Available at <a href="https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/trunk/tester/scripts/" target="_blank">https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/trunk/tester/scripts/</a>) The first two use bash and c shell scripts the last one uses perl Regards, -- Dr Aizaz A Samuel Department of Mechanical Engineering University of Strathclyde M324 James Weir Building 75 Montrose Street Glasgow, UK G1 1XJ T:+44 141 548 5765 F:+44 141 552 5105 On Tuesday 27 July 2010 10:57, David Garcia wrote: > Normally it should be perl but other users told me that python is more > useful, > > Personaly I used PERL, to start programming, I recommend you to read the > book "Learning Perl" from Randal L.Schwartz,(O'reilly). > > Normally your perl file should look like this: (FOR YOUR CHANGE GEOMETRY > SECTION) > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > $file = $ARGV[0]; > $largo = $ARGV[1]; > $ancho = $ARGV[2]; > $alto = $ARGV[3]; > $angulo = $ARGV[4]; > $base = $largo*$ancho; > > # Parse the perl sign pound (#) > $val = "#"; > > # open up MYFILE for writing > open(MYFILE,">$file"); > > #or die "Can't open up myfile: $file\n"; if we want the file to be readed! > > # now this line format will automatically apply to MYFILE > format MYFILE = > @<geometry of test_zonep defined in: ../zones/test_zonep.geo > $val > GEN test_zonep test_zonep describes a for testing in perl # type, name, > descr 8 6 @###.### # vertices, surfaces, rotation angle $angulo > @< X co-ord, Y co-ord, Z co-ord > $val > 0.00000 0.00000 0.00000 # vert 1 > @###.##### 0.00000 0.00000 # vert 2 > $largo, > @###.##### @###.##### 0.00000 # vert 3 > $largo, $ancho > 0.00000 @###.##### 0.00000 # vert 4 > $ancho .... CONTINUE > ---------------------------------- > > and you can invoke it in linux by type: > > </div></div>> ./<a href="http://changegeo.pl" target="_blank">changegeo.pl</a><<a href="http://changegeo.pl" target="_blank">http://changegeo.pl</a>><<a href="http://changegeo.pl" target="_blank">http://changegeo.pl</a>><<a href="http://changegeo.pl" target="_blank">http://changegeo.pl</a>><<a href="http://changegeo.pl" target="_blank">http://changegeo.pl</a>> ARGV1 ARGV2 ARGV3 <div class="im">> > then for your SIMULATE option check the cookbook for runing espr in text > mode. > > you can so do a for in a bash file, and then take out the value you are > interested with "awk" (a language like perl) using this command: (FOR YOUR > EVALUATE SECTION) > > awk '/Totals/ {print $2 "\n"}' prueba$i.cfg.wc_res.data > TOTAL > > then put your statement > > if Total == ValueYouWant > > Exit for > > and then voilà! :) > > Is a little bit rudimentary but I hope this could help you. > > Regards > > -- > David GARCIA SANCHEZ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Département Systèmes Énergétiques Environnement > Ecole des Mines de Nantes > 4, Rue Alfred Kastler > 44300 Nantes > France > ------------------------------------------------------------ </div>> Email: <a href="mailto:david.garcia-sanchez@emn.fr">david.garcia-sanchez@emn.fr</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:david.garcia-sanchez@emn.fr">david.garcia-sanchez@emn.fr</a>><mailto:<a href="mailto:david.garcia-sanchez@emn.fr">david.garcia-sanchez@emn.fr</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:david.garcia-sanchez@emn.fr">david.garcia-sanchez@emn.fr</a>>><mailto:<a href="mailto:david.garcia-sanchez@emn.fr">david.garcia-sanchez@emn.fr</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:david.garcia-sanchez@emn.fr">david.garcia-sanchez@emn.fr</a>><mailto:<a href="mailto:david.garcia-sanchez@emn.fr">david.garcia-sanchez@emn.fr</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:david.garcia-sanchez@emn.fr">david.garcia-sanchez@emn.fr</a>>>><mailto:<a href="mailto:david.garcia-sanchez@emn.fr">david.garcia-sanchez@emn.fr</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:david.garcia-sanchez@emn.fr">david.garcia-sanchez@emn.fr</a>><mailto:<a href="mailto:david.garcia-sanchez@emn.fr">david.garcia-sanchez@emn.fr</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:david.garcia-sanchez@emn.fr">david.garcia-sanchez@emn.fr</a>>><mailto:<a href="mailto:david.garcia-sanchez@emn.fr">david.garcia-sanchez@emn.fr</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:david.garcia-sanchez@emn.fr">david.garcia-sanchez@emn.fr</a>><mailto:<a href="mailto:david.garcia-sanchez@emn.fr">david.garcia-sanchez@emn.fr</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:david.garcia-sanchez@emn.fr">david.garcia-sanchez@emn.fr</a>>>>> <div><div></div><div class="h5">> Tel: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 14 > Mobile: +33 (0) 6 78 15 08 09 > Fax: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 99 > ------------------------------------------------------------ </div></div></blockquote></div>