<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">David,<div><br></div><div>I made a mistake and I simulated with esp-r using London Climate.</div><div>The rectified cooling and heating loads using CHL_Santiago_IWEC.epw for the 1 zone 10x10x3 concrete box are:</div><div><br></div><div>IES_VE 14,66 kW (heating) 5.27 kW (cooling)</div><div>ESP-r 8,029 kW (heating) 2,24 kW (cooling)</div><div><br></div><div>Kind Regards,</div><div><br><div><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Century Gothic'; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Century Gothic'; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Century Gothic'; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Century Gothic'; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Century Gothic'; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Century Gothic'; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold; ">Felipe Durán Palma</span></div><div>Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge</div><div>Director de Proyectos y Asesorías</div></span><span></span><span></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><span><img height="76" width="56" src="cid:B9AD3F91-76F4-4F37-8A2C-7A559281C059"></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Century Gothic'; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Century Gothic'; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Century Gothic'; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago</div><div><a href="mailto:felipe@b-green.cl">felipe@b-green.cl</a> - <a href="http://www.b-green.cl">www.b-green.cl</a> - 56 (2) 3431868</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span> </span></span></span></span></span></div><br><div><div>El 10 Sep 2009, a las 13:31, Felipe Durán escribió:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">David,<div><br></div><div>Thank you for your help.<br><div>The results of the 1 zone 10x10x3 concrete box are:</div><div><br><div>IES_VE 14,66 kW (heating) 5,27 kW (cooling)</div><div>ESP-r 11,90 kW (heating) 1,86 kW (cooling)</div><div><br></div><div>1. Geometry: 1 zones of 10 m x 10 m x 3 m high. </div><div><br></div><div>2. Materials (outside to inside)</div><div>2.1 External Wall: Cast Concrete 0,2m, U-value = 3,1963 (W/m2K)</div><div>2.2 Roof: Cast Concrete 0,2 U-value = 3,5354 (W/m2K)</div><div>2.3 Ground Floor: Cast Concrete 0.2 m, U-value = 2.8340 (W/m2K)</div><div><br></div><div>3. Boundary Conditions: All the walls and the roof faces the outside. The ground floor faces the ground.</div><div><br></div><div>4. Run Period: 1/1 31/12 (whole year)</div><div><br></div><div>5.No Internal gains</div><div><br></div><div>6. Climate file <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; font-size: 12px; ">CHL_Santiago_IWEC.epw (from the energyplus database)</span></div><div><br></div><div>7. Comfort band 20 Cº-24Cº, on Heating and Cooling Profile: continiously</div><div><br></div><div>8. No Ventilation</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Thank you again</div><div><br></div></div></div><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Century Gothic'; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Century Gothic'; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Century Gothic'; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Century Gothic'; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Century Gothic'; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Century Gothic'; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold; ">Felipe Durán Palma</span></div><div>Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge</div><div>Director de Proyectos y Asesorías</div></span><span></span><span></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><span><span><pastedGraphic.tiff></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Century Gothic'; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Century Gothic'; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Century Gothic'; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago</div><div><a href="mailto:felipe@b-green.cl">felipe@b-green.cl</a> - <a href="http://www.b-green.cl">www.b-green.cl</a> - 56 (2) 3431868</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span> </span></span></span></span></span></div><br><div><div>El 9 Sep 2009, a las 22:56, Tang, David escribió:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"> <div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; webkit-nbsp-mode: space; webkit-line-break: after-white-space"> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="195384502-10092009"><font face="Arial" size="2">Felipe,</font></span></div> <div><span class="195384502-10092009"><font face="Arial" size="2">I'd like to start with your '<font face="Times New Roman" size="3">a zone of 10 x 10 x 3 mt. high with no ventilation and no internal gains</font>' model which is an excellent case to evaluate the fundamental algorithms.</font></span></div> <div><span class="195384502-10092009"></span> </div> <div><span class="195384502-10092009"><font face="Arial" size="2">Please provide info of that model likewise.</font></span></div> <div><span class="195384502-10092009"></span> </div> <div><span class="195384502-10092009"><font face="Arial" size="2">Having worked at IES-VE for 8+ years and coded part of Apache-sim and the whole of macroflo, it is interesting to see how it works from user's point of view.</font></span></div> <div><span class="195384502-10092009"></span> </div> <div><span class="195384502-10092009"></span> </div> <div><span class="195384502-10092009"></span><span lang="zh-cn"><font face="Arial" size="2">Regards,</font></span> </div><p><span lang="zh-cn"><font face="CityBlueprint" size="2">David Tang</font></span> <br><span lang="zh-cn"><font face="CityBlueprint" size="2">Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions</font></span> <br><span lang="zh-cn"><font face="CityBlueprint" size="2">Owens Corning</font></span> <br><span lang="zh-cn"><font face="CityBlueprint" size="2">T:<font face="Courier New"></font> +86 21 6101 9587; F:<font face="Courier New"></font> +86 21 6101 9588; m:<font face="Courier New"></font> +86 13817249419</font></span> </p> <div> </div><br> <blockquote dir="ltr" style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <div class="OutlookMessageHeader" lang="en-us" dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> Felipe Durán [<a href="mailto:felipe@b-green.cl">mailto:felipe@b-green.cl</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:01 AM<br><b>To:</b> Tang, David<br><b>Cc:</b> leen peeters; Tang, Kevin; Xing, Nina; <a href="mailto:esp-r@lists.strath.ac.uk">esp-r@lists.strath.ac.uk</a>; Rodrigo Perez<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads<br></font><br></div> <div></div>David and Rodrigo, <div><br></div> <div>Thank you for your help.<br> <div>I`ve simplify the model and the results of the 3-floor office building are:</div> <div><br> <div>IES_VE 390 kW (heating) 123 kW (cooling)</div> <div>ESP-r 246 kW (heating) 205 kW (cooling)</div> <div><br></div> <div><br></div> <div>The model conditions of the 3-floor office building are:</div> <div>IES_VE 390 kW (heating) 123 kW (cooling)</div> <div><br></div> <div>1. Geometry: 3 zones of 25 m x 60 m x 2.5 m high. 40% of glazing ratio for all the orientations</div> <div><br></div> <div>2. Orientation: North towards the long side (25 meters)</div> <div><br></div> <div>3. Materials (outside to inside)</div> <div>3.1 External Wall: cast concrete 0,2m, Polystyrene 0.02m, Gypsum Plasterboard 0,01m. U-value = 0.9597 (W/m2K)</div> <div>3.2 Window: Double glazing, clear float 6mm + 12mm cavity. U-Value=2.82 (W/m2K)</div> <div>3.3 Roof: Cast concrete (lightweight) 0.05m, Polystyrene 0.15m, cast concrete 0,15m. U-value = 0.1859 (W/m2K)</div> <div>3.4 Ground Floor: Cast Concrete 0.15 m, polystyrene 0.05 m, U-value = 0.5041 (W/m2K)</div> <div>3.5 Slabs: cast Concrete 0.15, U-value = 3,2558 (W/m2K)</div> <div><br></div> <div>4. Boundary Conditions: All the walls and the roof faces the outside. The slabs are interiors and only the ground floor faces the grund.</div> <div><br></div> <div>5. Run Period: 1/1 31/12 (whole year)</div> <div><br></div> <div>6. Internal gains: Occupancy 6 m2/person (70 W Sensible, 35 W latent), Lighting 8 W/m2, Equipment 5 W7m2. All the time for the whole year, including nights, weekends, etc.</div> <div><br></div> <div>7. Climate file <span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Grande'">CHL_Santiago_IWEC.epw (from the energyplus database)</span></div> <div><br></div> <div>8. Comfort band 20 Cº-24Cº</div> <div><br></div> <div>9. Ventilation: infiltration 0.25 (ach/h), auxiliari ventilatios 3.25 (ach/h) on ESP-r infiltration of 3.25 (ach/h)</div> <div><br></div> <div>Thank you again</div> <div><br></div> <div><br></div> <div> <div apple-content-edited="true"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Century Gothic'; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Century Gothic'; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Century Gothic'; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Century Gothic'; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"> <div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Felipe Durán Palma</span></div> <div>Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge</div> <div>Director de Proyectos y Asesorías</div></span><span></span><span></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Century Gothic'; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Century Gothic'; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Century Gothic'; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"> <div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></font><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago</div> <div><a href="mailto:felipe@b-green.cl">felipe@b-green.cl</a> - <a href="http://www.b-green.cl">www.b-green.cl</a> - 56 (2) 3431868</div> <div><br></div> <div><br></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></span></span></span></span></div><br> <div> <div>El 9 Sep 2009, a las 00:22, Tang, David escribió:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> <blockquote type="cite"> <div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; webkit-nbsp-mode: space; webkit-line-break: after-white-space"> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><font size="2">Describe<span class="864140904-09092009"> your model we'll run DOE2 and EnergyPlus to see who's right.</span></font></font></font></div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><font size="2"><span class="864140904-09092009"></span></font></font></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">geometry, </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">orientation</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">wall, window, roof<span class="864140904-09092009"> </span>materials, </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">boundary<span class="864140904-09092009"> conditions (is the wall contact outside, ground, other indoor space?)</span></font></div> <div><span class="864140904-09092009"></span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">run period<span class="864140904-09092009"> (from mm/dd to mm/dd)</span>, </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">etc. </font></div> <div><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><font size="2">as detail as possible<span class="864140904-09092009">.</span></font></font></font></div> <div><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><font size="2"><span class="864140904-09092009"></span></font></font></font> </div><!-- Converted from text/rtf format --><p><span lang="zh-cn"><font face="Arial" size="2">Regards,</font></span> </p><p><span lang="zh-cn"><font face="CityBlueprint" size="2">David Tang</font></span> <br><span lang="zh-cn"><font face="CityBlueprint" size="2">Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions</font></span> <br><span lang="zh-cn"><font face="CityBlueprint" size="2">Owens Corning</font></span> <br><span lang="zh-cn"><font face="CityBlueprint" size="2">T:<font face="Courier New"></font> +86 21 6101 9587; F:<font face="Courier New"></font> +86 21 6101 9588; m:<font face="Courier New"></font> +86 13817249419</font></span> </p> <div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></font> </div><br> <blockquote dir="ltr" style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <div class="OutlookMessageHeader" lang="en-us" dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:esp-r-bounces@lists.strath.ac.uk">esp-r-bounces@lists.strath.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:esp-r-bounces@lists.strath.ac.uk">mailto:esp-r-bounces@lists.strath.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Felipe Durán<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:10 AM<br><b>To:</b> leen peeters<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:esp-r@lists.strath.ac.uk">esp-r@lists.strath.ac.uk</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads<br></font><br></div> <div></div>Leen, <div><br></div> <div>I am working with the EPW climate file of Santiago de Chile in both soft wares. I ve modelled a zone of 10 x 10 x 3 mt. high with no ventilation and no internal gains. The results are:</div> <div><br></div> <div>ESP-r = 11.9 (heating), 1.86 (cooling)</div> <div>IES = 14.6 (heating), 5.2 (cooling)</div> <div><br></div> <div>Now we got great differences in the cooling load. IES gave me 3 times more cooling loads than ESP-r</div> <div><br></div> <div>Any ideas how to go proceed?</div> <div><br> <div apple-content-edited="true"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Century Gothic'; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Century Gothic'; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Century Gothic'; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Century Gothic'; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Century Gothic'; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Century Gothic'; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"> <div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Felipe Durán Palma</span></div> <div>Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge</div> <div>Director de Proyectos y Asesorías</div></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Century Gothic'; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Century Gothic'; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Century Gothic'; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"> <div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago</div> <div><a href="mailto:felipe@b-green.cl">felipe@b-green.cl</a> - <a href="http://www.b-green.cl">www.b-green.cl</a> - 56 (2) 3431868</div> <div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></font><br> </div></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></div> <div> <div>El 8 Sep 2009, a las 16:49, leen peeters escribió:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> <blockquote type="cite"> <div>Felipe,</div> <div> </div> <div>set you climate to some artifical constant climqte with constant temperature, constant solar radiation,... That is one more set of variables excluded</div> <div> </div> <div>Leen<br><br></div> <div class="gmail_quote">2009/9/8 Felipe Durán <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:felipe@b-green.cl">felipe@b-green.cl</a>></span><br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"> <div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word">Dear Samuel and Leen, <div><br></div> <div>Actually, when I found out such big differences I ve modelled a very simple 3-zone model and the differences persist. </div> <div><br></div> <div>I will try out with a simple box without ventilation and internal gains and I will let you know the results. <div><br></div> <div>Thank you all for your help.</div> <div><br> <div><span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Century Gothic'; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate"><span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Century Gothic'; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate"><span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Century Gothic'; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate"><span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Century Gothic'; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate"><span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Century Gothic'; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate"><span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Century Gothic'; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate"> <div><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Felipe Durán Palma</span></div> <div>Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge</div> <div>Director de Proyectos y Asesorías</div></span><span></span><span></span><br><span><span><pastedGraphic.tiff></span></span><span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Century Gothic'; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate"><span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Century Gothic'; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate"><span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Century Gothic'; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate"> <div><br>Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago</div> <div><a href="mailto:felipe@b-green.cl" target="_blank">felipe@b-green.cl</a> - <a href="http://www.b-green.cl/" target="_blank">www.b-green.cl</a> - 56 (2) 3431868</div> <div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></font><br> </div></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></div> <div> <div>El 8 Sep 2009, a las 13:19, Aizaz Samuel escribió:</div><br> <blockquote type="cite"> <div>Try reducing your model complexity by modelling just one zone with minimal <br>information possible. Simulate for just one day. If the two softwares compare <br>well keep building up the model in complexity.<br><br>-Aizaz<br><br><br>On Tuesday 08 September 2009 17:41, Felipe Durán wrote:<br> <blockquote type="cite">Dear All,</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite">I am modeling in both ESP-r and IES-VE and office building and the results<br></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <div>for heating and cooling loads are very different.<br><span class="864140904-09092009"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"> </font></span></div> <div><span class="864140904-09092009"> </span>ESP-r = 269 kW (heating); 237 kW (cooling)<br>IES-VE = 835 kW (Heating); 360 kW (cooling)<br><span class="864140904-09092009"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"> </font></span></div> <div><span class="864140904-09092009"> </span>Does anyone had a similar experience with such differences?<br><span class="864140904-09092009"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"> </font></span></div></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <div>Kind Regards,<br><span class="864140904-09092009"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"> </font></span></div> <div>Felipe Durán Palma<br>Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. 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