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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Tienes el modelo, para correrlo en
DesignBuilder???? O si gustas me lo envías y lo puedo simular y comparamos.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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esp-r-bounces@lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces@lists.strath.ac.uk] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>En nombre de </span></b>Tang, David<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Enviado el:</span></b> miércoles, 09 de
septiembre de 2009 0:23<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Para:</span></b> Felipe Durán; leen peeters;
Tang, Kevin; Xing, Nina<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>CC:</span></b> esp-r@lists.strath.ac.uk<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Asunto:</span></b> [esp-r] Re: Heating and
Cooling Loads</span></font><span lang=ES><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Describe your model we'll run DOE2 and
EnergyPlus to see who's right.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>boundary conditions (is the wall contact
outside, ground, other indoor space?)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><!-- Converted from text/rtf format -->Regards,</span></font>
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<p><font size=2 face=CityBlueprint><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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<font size=2 face=CityBlueprint><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:CityBlueprint'>Chief
Engineer, Energy Solutions</span></font> <br>
<font size=2 face=CityBlueprint><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:CityBlueprint'>Owens
Corning</span></font> <br>
<font size=2 face=CityBlueprint><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:CityBlueprint'>T:
+86 21 6101 9587; F: +86 21 6101 9588; m: +86 13817249419</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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esp-r-bounces@lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces@lists.strath.ac.uk] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Felipe Durán<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September 09,
2009 5:10 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> leen peeters<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> esp-r@lists.strath.ac.uk<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [esp-r] Re: Heating and
Cooling Loads</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Leen, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I am working with the EPW climate file of Santiago de Chile in both
soft wares. I ve modelled a zone of 10 x 10 x 3 mt. high with no ventilation
and no internal gains. The results are:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>ESP-r = 11.9 (heating), 1.86 (cooling)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>IES = 14.6 (heating), 5.2 (cooling)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Now we got great differences in the cooling load. IES gave me 3 times
more cooling loads than ESP-r<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Any ideas how to go proceed?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face="Century Gothic"><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic";color:black'>Arquitecto
PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic";color:black'>Director de
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webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none;webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'>Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 -
Providencia - Santiago<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face="Century Gothic"><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic";color:black'><a
href="mailto:felipe@b-green.cl">felipe@b-green.cl</a> - <a
href="http://www.b-green.cl">www.b-green.cl</a> - 56 (2) 3431868<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>El 8 Sep <st1:metricconverter ProductID="2009, a" w:st="on">2009, a</st1:metricconverter>
las 16:49, leen peeters escribió:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Felipe,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>set you climate to some artifical constant climqte with constant
temperature, constant solar radiation,... That is one more set of variables
excluded<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Leen<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>2009/9/8 Felipe Durán <<a href="mailto:felipe@b-green.cl">felipe@b-green.cl</a>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Dear Samuel and Leen, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Actually, when I found out such big differences I ve modelled a very
simple 3-zone model and the differences persist. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I will try out with a simple box without ventilation and internal gains
and I will let you know the results. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Thank you all for your help.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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href="http://www.b-green.cl/" target="_blank">www.b-green.cl</a> - 56 (2)
3431868<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>El 8 Sep <st1:metricconverter ProductID="2009, a" w:st="on">2009, a</st1:metricconverter>
las 13:19, Aizaz Samuel escribió:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Try reducing your model complexity by modelling just one zone with
minimal <br>
information possible. Simulate for just one day. If the two softwares compare <br>
well keep building up the model in complexity.<br>
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-Aizaz<br>
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On Tuesday 08 September 2009 17:41, Felipe Durán wrote:<br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I am modeling in both ESP-r and IES-VE and office building and the
results<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>for heating and cooling loads are very different.<br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:blue'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> ESP-r = 269 kW (heating); 237 kW (cooling)<br>
IES-VE = 835 kW (Heating); 360 kW (cooling)<br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:blue'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> Does anyone had a similar experience with such differences?<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Felipe Durán Palma<br>
Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge<br>
Director de Proyectos y Asesorías<br>
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56 (2) 3431868<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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