From gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr Mon Jan 19 07:40:10 2015 From: gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr (=?UTF-8?Q?G=C3=BCl_Nihal_G=C3=BC=C4=9F=C3=BCl?=) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 07:40:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [esp-r] plt_SDHW Message-ID: <1181594950.3288653.1421653210684.JavaMail.yahoo@jws11126.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Hi,?I am using the test s?ite plt_SDHW wh?ch I have downloaded from http://espr.trac.cvsdude.com/esp-r/changeset/8246/branches/HOT3000/tester/test_suite/plt_SDHW/cfg/input.xml for my SDHW system.I have changed the path of datasets according to my computer.However I have the error "" when I run system2_water.cfg?Is there anyone?who have idea about this error?Thank you for any help.?RegardsGul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jeremy Cockroft Sent: 03 December 2014 16:48 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r Introductory and Advanced Workshops 9-11 February 2015 Dear Colleagues, The next Introduction to ESP-r workshops at the University of Strathclyde in Glasgow (map link below) will be held on 9-10 February 2015, with an additional advanced day on 11th February covering topics related to air flow modelling and plant systems modelling and simulation. ESP-r is an integrated dynamic modelling tool for the simulation of the thermal performance of buildings and the assessment of their energy use. The system is equipped to model heat, air, moisture and electrical power flows at user determined resolution. It is available at no cost under an Open Source license. More details at http://www.strath.ac.uk/esru ESP-r workshop sessions are designed to give you hands-on simulation experience as well to develop the underlying skills needed to translate design questions into models which deliver new information and insights. The two-day workshop is intended for those new to ESP-r. For those who have recently joined the ESP-r development community, an introductory workshop is a very good way to explore the relationships between the various modules of the ESP-r suite and how they might be impacted by future software developments. The three day workshop covers the same topics as the introductory workshop, plus additional topics on the third day, related to modelling and simulation of HVAC plant systems. LOCATION James Weir Building 75 Montrose Street Glasgow G1 1XJ Map link: http://www.strath.ac.uk/maps/jamesweirbuilding PROGRAMME The following topics will be covered in the two day course: ? A brief introduction to simulation and how it differs from simplified models ? Introduction to the ESP-r interface, modules and layout of model folders ? Browsing exemplar models and invoking simulations ? Review of weather data ? Construction materials and optical properties ? Creation of a simple model ? Occupancy and lighting patterns in rooms ? Scheduled infiltration and ventilation in rooms ? Setting up and running simulations, explanation of 'save levels' ? Exploration of building performance ? Exporting data from simulation for use with other tools ? Checking models prior to simulation ? Add shading obstructions to a model and calculate shading patterns ? Ideal environmental controls ? Fine-tune controls and test under-capacity systems ? Increase model resolution and numerical resolution ? Integrated Performance Views ? Planning and creation of a new model ? Creation and presentation of your model The following additional topics will be covered in the three day course: ? Overview of dynamic air flow assessments ? Creation of a simple mass flow network ? Control of flow within a mass flow network ? Representing natural ventilation via a mass flow network ? Overview of plant component based systems ? Add a simple plant system to an existing model ? Explore system performance and controls The workshop will be fast-paced and interactive. Delegates should find a wealth of productive techniques and tips from experts to do simulation quicker, cheaper, and better. The Workshop runs from 9h00 to 17h00 each day. Participants are required to bring their own laptops with ESP-r installed. Further details will be forwarded to registrants. COST & REGISTRATION The cost of attending the two day workshop is ?340, and the three day workshop ?410. Please visit our on-line shop for registration. Please pass this invitation to others who may be interested. Best regards, Jeremy Cockroft Energy Systems Research Unit University of Strathclyde 75 Montrose Street, Glasgow, G1 1XJ phone +44(0)141 548 2314 email jeremy at esru.strath.ac.uk website www. strath.ac.uk/esru The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC015263 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20150119/85392e9e/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00001.txt Url: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20150119/85392e9e/attachment-0001.txt From kgobakis at isc.tuc.gr Mon Jan 19 16:07:18 2015 From: kgobakis at isc.tuc.gr (Kostas Gobakis) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 18:07:18 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Problem with Esp-r for over 100 zones In-Reply-To: <9A4EB5D8394D974488B1804FDEC09FEA130C5429@EX2010-MBX2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <9A4EB5D8394D974488B1804FDEC09FEA130C5429@EX2010-MBX2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <54BD2BB6.9050609@isc.tuc.gr> Hi, I have complete a new project that has 107 zones( i know that are a lot but ...). I have changed the MCOM=150 in the src/include/building.h. When i start the Esp-r a warning is given by the software for all zones with index grater than 100 "WARNING: in modelName.cfg: 101" "the zone index value(101) > normal maximum 100!" Esp-r loads the model. When i go to select a zone with an index greater than 100 (m->c->a), Esp-r decide not to show me then zone but instead to promote the option to copy it. A solution to this problem is to select the zone with index 100 and then select the "> jump to the next zone" in order to select the zone with index 101. Where i have to look to solve this issue? Regards, Kostas From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Jan 19 16:54:15 2015 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 16:54:15 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problem with Esp-r for over 100 zones In-Reply-To: <54BD2BB6.9050609@isc.tuc.gr> References: <9A4EB5D8394D974488B1804FDEC09FEA130C5429@EX2010-MBX2.ds.strath.ac.uk>, <54BD2BB6.9050609@isc.tuc.gr> Message-ID: ESP-r has not been tested for 99+ zones. Your project has identified some places where the existing logic gets confused. The logic in the interface which determines whether the user is asking to select a zone or copy a zone or delete a zone is based on the index of the zone in the list. As ESP-r traditionally had less than 100 zones the logic passed a negative number of the index for deletion and the zone index +100 to signal a copy zone request. Example - to copy the 10th zone in the list uses 10+100=110. When you ask the existing interface to select from the list the 101 zone in the list ESP-r thinks a copy request has been made. The logic would need to be re-designed (and tested). The source code for this is mostly in the file edcfg.F. Look for comments in the code about copy and delete zones. There are a number of places in the code where ESP-r assumes that it only needs 2 digits to report on the zone index. This works ok up to 99 and might result in some *** numbers written to files for the zones 100-107. This might cause issues when scanning the model files. There is also a parameter which sets the maximum number of surfaces in the model MCON. If you have lots of complex zones you might need to increase the value of MCON. And the warning 'zone index value' is a warning embedded in the code that scans the model and has the value 100 hard-coded. Look for a line in the source code esystem.F that looks like: CALL EGETWI(text,K,NCCODE(ICOMP),1,100,'W','zone index',IER) and change the 100 to 150. Consider if it would be possible to reduce the number of zones to 99. This would allow you to proceed without having to adapt the source code. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Kostas Gobakis [kgobakis at isc.tuc.gr] Sent: 19 January 2015 16:07 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Problem with Esp-r for over 100 zones Hi, I have complete a new project that has 107 zones( i know that are a lot but ...). I have changed the MCOM=150 in the src/include/building.h. When i start the Esp-r a warning is given by the software for all zones with index grater than 100 "WARNING: in modelName.cfg: 101" "the zone index value(101) > normal maximum 100!" Esp-r loads the model. When i go to select a zone with an index greater than 100 (m->c->a), Esp-r decide not to show me then zone but instead to promote the option to copy it. A solution to this problem is to select the zone with index 100 and then select the "> jump to the next zone" in order to select the zone with index 101. Where i have to look to solve this issue? Regards, Kostas _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From dafonseca185 at gmail.com Tue Jan 27 16:24:48 2015 From: dafonseca185 at gmail.com (Ricardo Ferreira) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 16:24:48 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] message Message-ID: Hi, Recently when I open my model from Win version (w7 v12) I get this message: [image: Imagem intercalada 1] [image: Imagem intercalada 2] What does this message mean and what can I do to not re-appear. Thank you, Regards, Ricardo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20150127/75e67152/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you cannot access the necessary options to do this then there may be a deeper problem that we could look into, if you can provide us with more details. When was the last time you used the model? The messages would suggest that this is an old model. Best regards, Andy Cowie ESRU Sent from my HTC ----- Reply message ----- From: "Ricardo Ferreira" To: "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" Subject: [esp-r] message Date: Tue, Jan 27, 2015 16:30 Hi, Recently when I open my model from Win version (w7 v12) I get this message: [cid:ii_14b2c26e9ae8a32f] [cid:ii_14b2c3177b0d18b5] What does this message mean and what can I do to not re-appear. Thank you, Regards, Ricardo -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Backtrace for this error: #0 0x11e07cb4c #1 0x11e07d06f #2 0x7fff8cbe2f19 My last successful compilation and running of ESP-r was on Mac OS X 10.8.5 Mountain Lion. Thank you. Regards, Filip Jordan P.S.: I am recently trying on following configuration: - MacBook (13-inch, Aluminum, Late 2008), 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 8GB RAM - Mac OSX 10.10.1 - Xcode 6.1.1 - Command Line Tools for Xcode 6.1.1 - MacPorts 2.3.3 - GCC48 4.8.4_0 with gfortran in /opt/local/bin installed by MacPorts - X11 XQuartz 2.7.7 (xorg-server 1.15.2) - ESP-r release 11.11 installed in /opt/esru/ for compilation modified ./Install (replaced "lib64" with ?lib? for X11) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20150129/65a4e060/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Thu Jan 29 15:11:44 2015 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 16:11:44 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: ESP-r on Mac OSX 10.10 Yosemite In-Reply-To: <8684A079-3763-4C3F-8891-38250B66AEF2@gmail.com> References: <8684A079-3763-4C3F-8891-38250B66AEF2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000901d03bd5$e52870d0$af795270$@intergga.ch> Dear Filip, sadly, I do not have a solution for this problem but can second it (so to say). I had successfully installed ESP-r on 10.09 last June and it worked. From September onwards, I received the same error as you describe below and have not been able to find out what the problem is. The error happens in the interactive version and in text mode for prj. However, bps runs fine in text mode (I can run models but not really edit them). My research in the web seems to indicate that - it may be a solution to try and get gfortran working with clang (the native C on current OS X) - the basic problem possibly is rooted somewhere in different library versions due to the clang dependencies I would also be very interested in a solution to this issue. Anyone, out there? Lars? Best Achim Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von JORDAN, Filip Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Januar 2015 20:27 An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: [esp-r] ESP-r on Mac OSX 10.10 Yosemite Dear all, have you got any experience with the installation of ESP-r on Mac OS X 10.10 or 10.09? I usually got result like: successfully compile, successfully run Project Manager then become error like this: Program received signal SIGABRT: Process abort signal. Backtrace for this error: #0 0x11e07cb4c #1 0x11e07d06f #2 0x7fff8cbe2f19 My last successful compilation and running of ESP-r was on Mac OS X 10.8.5 Mountain Lion. Thank you. Regards, Filip Jordan P.S.: I am recently trying on following configuration: - MacBook (13-inch, Aluminum, Late 2008), 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 8GB RAM - Mac OSX 10.10.1 - Xcode 6.1.1 - Command Line Tools for Xcode 6.1.1 - MacPorts 2.3.3 - GCC48 4.8.4_0 with gfortran in /opt/local/bin installed by MacPorts - X11 XQuartz 2.7.7 (xorg-server 1.15.2) - ESP-r release 11.11 installed in /opt/esru/ for compilation modified ./Install (replaced "lib64" with ?lib? for X11) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20150129/4b911fea/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Jan 30 14:40:17 2015 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 14:40:17 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: message In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The messages you get from ESP-r are not errors. It is just that the file formats used by ESP-r evolve over time. There is a newer version of the zone operation files which hold more information and the message is offering you the option to scan the old format files and write them out with the current format. Once you have updated the file that message about updating will not show up again. If you refuse to update the zone operation files the next time you work with the model it will detect that the file format is ancient and suggest you update them. And the request to update the model control file - new information was created as you used the project manager and it is just getting your confirmation to update that file. That kind of message is expected as you work on models. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Andrew Cowie [cn06arc at leeds.ac.uk] Sent: 27 January 2015 16:42 To: Ricardo Ferreira; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: message Hi Ricardo, My first suggestion would be to back up your model and then try allowing ESP-r to update the model files (ie. selecting "yes" to the pop-ups). If this does not work then I would suggest re-generating the model files from within the ESP-r interface. If you cannot access the necessary options to do this then there may be a deeper problem that we could look into, if you can provide us with more details. When was the last time you used the model? The messages would suggest that this is an old model. Best regards, Andy Cowie ESRU Sent from my HTC ----- Reply message ----- From: "Ricardo Ferreira" To: "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" Subject: [esp-r] message Date: Tue, Jan 27, 2015 16:30 Hi, Recently when I open my model from Win version (w7 v12) I get this message: [cid:ii_14b2c26e9ae8a32f] [cid:ii_14b2c3177b0d18b5] What does this message mean and what can I do to not re-appear. Thank you, Regards, Ricardo From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Jan 30 14:47:31 2015 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 14:47:31 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: ESP-r on Mac OSX 10.10 Yosemite In-Reply-To: <8684A079-3763-4C3F-8891-38250B66AEF2@gmail.com> References: <8684A079-3763-4C3F-8891-38250B66AEF2@gmail.com> Message-ID: I am still using OSX 10.8.5 but I suspect that you can avoid this issue with newer OSX by forcing the Install script to use the MacPorts gcc g++ gfortran via the --compiiler_version -mp-4.8 option in the Installer invocation command line. Actually I tend to ask MacPorts to install the 4.7 version of the compilers (which puts -mp-4.7 files in the /opt/local/bin folder. And if you say yes to including debug symbols you could try running the executables from within a debug environment such as gdb or ddd. That should give you a lot more information about where the crash is happening. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of JORDAN, Filip [filip.jordan.cz at gmail.com] Sent: 28 January 2015 19:27 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r on Mac OSX 10.10 Yosemite Dear all, have you got any experience with the installation of ESP-r on Mac OS X 10.10 or 10.09? I usually got result like: successfully compile, successfully run Project Manager then become error like this: Program received signal SIGABRT: Process abort signal. Backtrace for this error: #0 0x11e07cb4c #1 0x11e07d06f #2 0x7fff8cbe2f19 My last successful compilation and running of ESP-r was on Mac OS X 10.8.5 Mountain Lion. Thank you. Regards, Filip Jordan P.S.: I am recently trying on following configuration: - MacBook (13-inch, Aluminum, Late 2008), 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 8GB RAM - Mac OSX 10.10.1 - Xcode 6.1.1 - Command Line Tools for Xcode 6.1.1 - MacPorts 2.3.3 - GCC48 4.8.4_0 with gfortran in /opt/local/bin installed by MacPorts - X11 XQuartz 2.7.7 (xorg-server 1.15.2) - ESP-r release 11.11 installed in /opt/esru/ for compilation modified ./Install (replaced "lib64" with ?lib? for X11) From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Fri Jan 30 17:13:00 2015 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 18:13:00 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: ESP-r on Mac OSX 10.10 Yosemite In-Reply-To: References: <8684A079-3763-4C3F-8891-38250B66AEF2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001501d03caf$ffe697f0$ffb3c7d0$@intergga.ch> Hi Jon, as I wrote, I originally had a setup (which I sent to you at the time) that worked with OS X 10.9 initially. Sometime during an update of OS X prior to October 2014 something must have changed. Since then, I get similar crashes as those described below when using the X11 interface. I would not really be optimistic that your suggestion works, therefore. Compile works well, strangely enough and bps runs fine. Best Achim -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Jon Hand Gesendet: Freitag, 30. Januar 2015 15:48 An: JORDAN, Filip; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: [esp-r] Re: ESP-r on Mac OSX 10.10 Yosemite I am still using OSX 10.8.5 but I suspect that you can avoid this issue with newer OSX by forcing the Install script to use the MacPorts gcc g++ gfortran via the --compiiler_version -mp-4.8 option in the Installer invocation command line. Actually I tend to ask MacPorts to install the 4.7 version of the compilers (which puts -mp-4.7 files in the /opt/local/bin folder. And if you say yes to including debug symbols you could try running the executables from within a debug environment such as gdb or ddd. That should give you a lot more information about where the crash is happening. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of JORDAN, Filip [filip.jordan.cz at gmail.com] Sent: 28 January 2015 19:27 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r on Mac OSX 10.10 Yosemite Dear all, have you got any experience with the installation of ESP-r on Mac OS X 10.10 or 10.09? I usually got result like: successfully compile, successfully run Project Manager then become error like this: Program received signal SIGABRT: Process abort signal. Backtrace for this error: #0 0x11e07cb4c #1 0x11e07d06f #2 0x7fff8cbe2f19 My last successful compilation and running of ESP-r was on Mac OS X 10.8.5 Mountain Lion. Thank you. Regards, Filip Jordan P.S.: I am recently trying on following configuration: - MacBook (13-inch, Aluminum, Late 2008), 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 8GB RAM - Mac OSX 10.10.1 - Xcode 6.1.1 - Command Line Tools for Xcode 6.1.1 - MacPorts 2.3.3 - GCC48 4.8.4_0 with gfortran in /opt/local/bin installed by MacPorts - X11 XQuartz 2.7.7 (xorg-server 1.15.2) - ESP-r release 11.11 installed in /opt/esru/ for compilation modified ./Install (replaced "lib64" with ?lib? for X11) _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From dimitrios.sfakianakis at strath.ac.uk Wed Feb 4 00:14:50 2015 From: dimitrios.sfakianakis at strath.ac.uk (Dimitrios Sfakianakis) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 00:14:50 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Exporting ESP-r models to E+ .idf files Message-ID: <4388279F55D3434CACAFE7985985B31922429FDF@EX2010-MBX1.ds.strath.ac.uk> Dear List, A few days ago I had my first interaction with EnergyPlus (E+) only to realise that there is no default GUI or project manager. I noticed that ESP-r can export models to .idf files readable by E+. Where can I find more information on the subject? Are there any limitations during that conversion (are airflow networks, plant networks, shading etc. converted)? Can ESP-r be used as a stable .idf file generator or should I look into other tools designed specifically to generate E+ input files? Thanks for the continuous support. Kind regards, Dimitrios Sfakianakis MEng PhD Candidate, Dept. Naval Architecture, Ocean and Marine Engineering, University of Strathclyde E: dimitrios.sfakianakis at strath.ac.uk The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC015263. From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Feb 4 10:54:58 2015 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 10:54:58 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Exporting ESP-r models to E+ .idf files In-Reply-To: <4388279F55D3434CACAFE7985985B31922429FDF@EX2010-MBX1.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <4388279F55D3434CACAFE7985985B31922429FDF@EX2010-MBX1.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: ESP-r exports models to a slightly older version of IDF files (you would have to use the E+ utilities to uprate the IDF files. What is exported are: a) materials b) constructions c) zone geometry and surfaces with attributes of construction and boundary conditions d) schedules for zone operations - occupants, lights, equipment e) as far as I remember ESP-r ideal controls are approximated as simple heating or cooling devices Air flow networks and plant networks are not exported. Weather data links would need to be altered to point to an EPW file. You must design the ESP-r model to reflect the needs of E+ - e.g. ESP-r is happy to have a surface which is fully glazed while E+ wants glazing to be a child surface. In general, an exported model should load cleanly into E+ and should run. You will need to sort out controls. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Dimitrios Sfakianakis [dimitrios.sfakianakis at strath.ac.uk] Sent: 04 February 2015 00:14 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Exporting ESP-r models to E+ .idf files Dear List, A few days ago I had my first interaction with EnergyPlus (E+) only to realise that there is no default GUI or project manager. I noticed that ESP-r can export models to .idf files readable by E+. Where can I find more information on the subject? Are there any limitations during that conversion (are airflow networks, plant networks, shading etc. converted)? Can ESP-r be used as a stable .idf file generator or should I look into other tools designed specifically to generate E+ input files? Thanks for the continuous support. Kind regards, Dimitrios Sfakianakis MEng PhD Candidate, Dept. Naval Architecture, Ocean and Marine Engineering, University of Strathclyde E: dimitrios.sfakianakis at strath.ac.uk The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC015263. _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From matthew.wright at c4ci.eu Thu Feb 26 15:35:28 2015 From: matthew.wright at c4ci.eu (Matthew Wright) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 15:35:28 -0000 Subject: [esp-r] Query: Spatial resolution Message-ID: <000a01d051d9$d9e98fa0$8dbcaee0$@c4ci.eu> Hi Jon/all, I am aware that the CFD, and an old ground heat flow, simulation modules resolve a detailed spatial grid. Firstly Am I correct in my understanding that ESP-r does not do this generally? Secondly If analysing glazing or similar items, is it possible to create a time dependent, fine meshed spatial grid in ESP-r? Thanks in advance for any advice! Regards Matt Matthew Wright MA Physics (Oxon) PGCE Physicist e: Matthew.Wright at c4ci.eu m: +44 (0)7908030742 p: +44 (0)1823 617166 ? Please think before you print ! This e-mail including attachments is confidential, may be covered by legal professional privilege and is intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from printing, copying or distributing it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, fax or by telephone and delete this e-mail from your system. Thank you. C4Ci Ltd Registered Address: (Registered in England No. 06455265) Atticus House 2 The Windmills Turk Street Alton Hampshire GU34 1EF UK From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Feb 26 16:54:42 2015 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 16:54:42 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Query: Spatial resolution In-Reply-To: <000a01d051d9$d9e98fa0$8dbcaee0$@c4ci.eu> References: <000a01d051d9$d9e98fa0$8dbcaee0$@c4ci.eu> Message-ID: Users are in charge of defining the CFD domain gridding (and we are just testing out code that supports multiple CFD domains in a model). The current implementation the grid the user defines is used throughout the assessment. It is not possible to alter the definition of the grid during the assessment, however boundary conditions and wall functions are re-evaluated at each timestep and of course heat into cells picked up during the assessment is tracked. The ground model would have a fixed definition of the grid and the thermophysical properties of associated entities. So one could not have 'mud' in the ground at one time of the assessment and dust at a different point of the assessment with the current implementation. Similarly a temporary leak in a pipe in the ground could not be corrected during an assessment. And if you really are passionate about altering how ESP-r works it is distributed under GPL and you can alter the code and you can run it in a single-step debug mode to see exactly how the solution is progressing and test out new ideas. And I have created ESP-r models where the extrusions of the facade are explicitly treated as zones so some aspects of geometry of facades could be treated at a user defined level. There is also a 2D and 3D conduction model - but almost no one remembers how to use that. Can you tell us more about [fine meshed spatial grid]? Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Matthew Wright [matthew.wright at c4ci.eu] Sent: 26 February 2015 15:35 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Query: Spatial resolution Hi Jon/all, I am aware that the CFD, and an old ground heat flow, simulation modules resolve a detailed spatial grid. Firstly Am I correct in my understanding that ESP-r does not do this generally? Secondly If analysing glazing or similar items, is it possible to create a time dependent, fine meshed spatial grid in ESP-r? Thanks in advance for any advice! Regards Matt Matthew Wright MA Physics (Oxon) PGCE Physicist e: Matthew.Wright at c4ci.eu m: +44 (0)7908030742 p: +44 (0)1823 617166 ? Please think before you print ! This e-mail including attachments is confidential, may be covered by legal professional privilege and is intended for the addressee only. 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C4Ci Ltd Registered Address: (Registered in England No. 06455265) Atticus House 2 The Windmills Turk Street Alton Hampshire GU34 1EF UK _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From matthew.wright at c4ci.eu Thu Feb 26 19:06:09 2015 From: matthew.wright at c4ci.eu (Matthew Wright) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 19:06:09 -0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Query: Spatial resolution In-Reply-To: References: <000a01d051d9$d9e98fa0$8dbcaee0$@c4ci.eu> Message-ID: <000d01d051f7$48ac0770$da041650$@c4ci.eu> HI Jon, It's an attempt to see real time temperatures in a glazing and aluminium extrusion model, to pick up temperature gradients across the glass. This would appear to be against the grain in ESP-r, but I thought I would ask. Resolution to 100mm, 10mm or even 3mm would be fantastic. I would probably have a steep learning curve in presenting the results, which I guess would have to be post processed to be seen graphically, but a temperature field matrix, is obviously the goal, (not necessarily pretty pictures). Regards Matt Matthew Wright MA Physics (Oxon) PGCE Physicist e: Matthew.Wright at c4ci.eu m: +44 (0)7908030742 p: +44 (0)1823 617166 ? Please think before you print ! This e-mail including attachments is confidential, may be covered by legal professional privilege and is intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from printing, copying or distributing it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, fax or by telephone and delete this e-mail from your system. Thank you. C4Ci Ltd Registered Address: (Registered in England No. 06455265) Atticus House 2 The Windmills Turk Street Alton Hampshire GU34 1EF UK -----Original Message----- From: Jon Hand [mailto:jon at esru.strath.ac.uk] Sent: 26 February 2015 16:55 To: matthew.wright at c4ci.eu; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: [esp-r] Query: Spatial resolution Users are in charge of defining the CFD domain gridding (and we are just testing out code that supports multiple CFD domains in a model). The current implementation the grid the user defines is used throughout the assessment. It is not possible to alter the definition of the grid during the assessment, however boundary conditions and wall functions are re-evaluated at each timestep and of course heat into cells picked up during the assessment is tracked. The ground model would have a fixed definition of the grid and the thermophysical properties of associated entities. So one could not have 'mud' in the ground at one time of the assessment and dust at a different point of the assessment with the current implementation. Similarly a temporary leak in a pipe in the ground could not be corrected during an assessment. And if you really are passionate about altering how ESP-r works it is distributed under GPL and you can alter the code and you can run it in a single-step debug mode to see exactly how the solution is progressing and test out new ideas. And I have created ESP-r models where the extrusions of the facade are explicitly treated as zones so some aspects of geometry of facades could be treated at a user defined level. There is also a 2D and 3D conduction model - but almost no one remembers how to use that. Can you tell us more about [fine meshed spatial grid]? Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Matthew Wright [matthew.wright at c4ci.eu] Sent: 26 February 2015 15:35 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Query: Spatial resolution Hi Jon/all, I am aware that the CFD, and an old ground heat flow, simulation modules resolve a detailed spatial grid. Firstly Am I correct in my understanding that ESP-r does not do this generally? Secondly If analysing glazing or similar items, is it possible to create a time dependent, fine meshed spatial grid in ESP-r? Thanks in advance for any advice! Regards Matt Matthew Wright MA Physics (Oxon) PGCE Physicist e: Matthew.Wright at c4ci.eu m: +44 (0)7908030742 p: +44 (0)1823 617166 ? Please think before you print ! This e-mail including attachments is confidential, may be covered by legal professional privilege and is intended for the addressee only. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4299/9182 - Release Date: 02/26/15 From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Thu Feb 26 21:16:35 2015 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 22:16:35 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Query: Spatial resolution In-Reply-To: <000d01d051f7$48ac0770$da041650$@c4ci.eu> References: <000a01d051d9$d9e98fa0$8dbcaee0$@c4ci.eu> <000d01d051f7$48ac0770$da041650$@c4ci.eu> Message-ID: Hi Matthew, as far as I understand what you want to do (thermal glass breakage?), neither CFD nor "high detailing" will help - you need 2d heat flow. This would be the obscure 2d/3d conduction model Jon mentioned. However, I would expect this never worked with transparent materials, anyway. Depending on your tool park, a "real" CFD or a FE package would be a possibility. Or dynamic thermal bridge software (HEAT2D or HEAT3D, Trisco/Voltra, others). 4wiw. Best Achim On Feb 26, 2015, at 8:06 PM, "Matthew Wright" wrote: > HI Jon, > > It's an attempt to see real time temperatures in a glazing and aluminium extrusion model, to pick up temperature gradients across the glass. > This would appear to be against the grain in ESP-r, but I thought I would ask. > Resolution to 100mm, 10mm or even 3mm would be fantastic. > I would probably have a steep learning curve in presenting the results, which I guess would have to be post processed to be seen graphically, but a temperature field matrix, is obviously the goal, (not necessarily pretty pictures). > > > Regards > > Matt > Matthew Wright MA Physics (Oxon) PGCE > Physicist > > e: Matthew.Wright at c4ci.eu > m: +44 (0)7908030742 > p: +44 (0)1823 617166 > > ? Please think before you print ! > > This e-mail including attachments is confidential, may be covered by legal professional privilege and is intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from printing, copying or distributing it. > > If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, fax or by telephone and delete this e-mail from your system. Thank you. > > C4Ci Ltd Registered Address: (Registered in England No. 06455265) Atticus House 2 The Windmills Turk Street Alton Hampshire GU34 1EF UK > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Hand [mailto:jon at esru.strath.ac.uk] > Sent: 26 February 2015 16:55 > To: matthew.wright at c4ci.eu; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: RE: [esp-r] Query: Spatial resolution > > > Users are in charge of defining the CFD domain gridding (and we are just testing out code that supports multiple CFD domains in a model). The current implementation the grid the user defines is used throughout the assessment. It is not possible to alter the definition of the grid during the assessment, however boundary conditions and wall functions are re-evaluated at each timestep and of course heat into cells picked up during the assessment is tracked. > > The ground model would have a fixed definition of the grid and the thermophysical properties of associated entities. So one could not have 'mud' in the ground at one time of the assessment and dust at a different point of the assessment with the current implementation. Similarly a temporary leak in a pipe in the ground could not be corrected during an assessment. > > And if you really are passionate about altering how ESP-r works it is distributed under GPL and you can alter the code and you can run it in a single-step debug mode to see exactly how the solution is progressing and test out new ideas. > > And I have created ESP-r models where the extrusions of the facade are explicitly treated as zones so some aspects of geometry of facades could be treated at a user defined level. There is also a 2D and 3D conduction model - but almost no one remembers how to use that. > > Can you tell us more about [fine meshed spatial grid]? > > Regards, Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Matthew Wright [matthew.wright at c4ci.eu] > Sent: 26 February 2015 15:35 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Query: Spatial resolution > > Hi Jon/all, > > I am aware that the CFD, and an old ground heat flow, simulation modules resolve a detailed spatial grid. > > Firstly > Am I correct in my understanding that ESP-r does not do this generally? > > Secondly > If analysing glazing or similar items, is it possible to create a time dependent, fine meshed spatial grid in ESP-r? > > Thanks in advance for any advice! > > Regards > > Matt > Matthew Wright MA Physics (Oxon) PGCE > Physicist > > e: Matthew.Wright at c4ci.eu > m: +44 (0)7908030742 > p: +44 (0)1823 617166 > > ? Please think before you print ! > > This e-mail including attachments is confidential, may be covered by legal professional privilege and is intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from printing, copying or distributing it. > > If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, fax or by telephone and delete this e-mail from your system. Thank you. > > C4Ci Ltd Registered Address: (Registered in England No. 06455265) Atticus House 2 The Windmills Turk Street Alton Hampshire GU34 1EF UK > > > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4299/9182 - Release Date: 02/26/15 > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch From jake.zwart at sympatico.ca Thu Feb 26 21:31:38 2015 From: jake.zwart at sympatico.ca (Jake Zwart) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 16:31:38 -0500 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Query: Spatial resolution In-Reply-To: References: <000a01d051d9$d9e98fa0$8dbcaee0$@c4ci.eu><000d01d051f7$48ac0770$da041650$@c4ci.eu> Message-ID: Hi Matthew, It has been a few years since I looked at it, but Windows 5.1 and Windows 6.0 is software available from LBNL (US government lab) that models windows. At the time it calculated the glass U-factor based on emmissivities and calculated the frame thermal properties using FEA. I just did a quick search and came up with http://windows.lbl.gov/software/therm/therm.html . This seems more capable and is worth checking out. If you are looking at open source software the LBNL software meets the bill. Another package that I have used is Code Aster, an FEA package. There is a version that comes with a graphical pre/post processor called Salome. This is Salome Meca. The website CAELinux is quite useful for this package. While this is useful for general purpose FEA, I suspect it will not do radiation modeling. For commercial packages that may do radiation as well as FEA, MayaHTT may have a product. All the best. Jake -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Achim Geissler Sent: February 26, 2015 4:17 PM To: matthew.wright at c4ci.eu Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; 'Jon Hand' Subject: [esp-r] Re: Query: Spatial resolution Hi Matthew, as far as I understand what you want to do (thermal glass breakage?), neither CFD nor "high detailing" will help - you need 2d heat flow. This would be the obscure 2d/3d conduction model Jon mentioned. However, I would expect this never worked with transparent materials, anyway. Depending on your tool park, a "real" CFD or a FE package would be a possibility. Or dynamic thermal bridge software (HEAT2D or HEAT3D, Trisco/Voltra, others). 4wiw. Best Achim On Feb 26, 2015, at 8:06 PM, "Matthew Wright" wrote: > HI Jon, > > It's an attempt to see real time temperatures in a glazing and aluminium extrusion model, to pick up temperature gradients across the glass. > This would appear to be against the grain in ESP-r, but I thought I would ask. > Resolution to 100mm, 10mm or even 3mm would be fantastic. > I would probably have a steep learning curve in presenting the results, which I guess would have to be post processed to be seen graphically, but a temperature field matrix, is obviously the goal, (not necessarily pretty pictures). > > > Regards > > Matt > Matthew Wright MA Physics (Oxon) PGCE > Physicist > > e: Matthew.Wright at c4ci.eu > m: +44 (0)7908030742 > p: +44 (0)1823 617166 > > P Please think before you print ! > > This e-mail including attachments is confidential, may be covered by legal professional privilege and is intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from printing, copying or distributing it. > > If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, fax or by telephone and delete this e-mail from your system. Thank you. > > C4Ci Ltd Registered Address: (Registered in England No. 06455265) Atticus House 2 The Windmills Turk Street Alton Hampshire GU34 1EF UK > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Hand [mailto:jon at esru.strath.ac.uk] > Sent: 26 February 2015 16:55 > To: matthew.wright at c4ci.eu; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: RE: [esp-r] Query: Spatial resolution > > > Users are in charge of defining the CFD domain gridding (and we are just testing out code that supports multiple CFD domains in a model). The current implementation the grid the user defines is used throughout the assessment. It is not possible to alter the definition of the grid during the assessment, however boundary conditions and wall functions are re-evaluated at each timestep and of course heat into cells picked up during the assessment is tracked. > > The ground model would have a fixed definition of the grid and the thermophysical properties of associated entities. So one could not have 'mud' in the ground at one time of the assessment and dust at a different point of the assessment with the current implementation. Similarly a temporary leak in a pipe in the ground could not be corrected during an assessment. > > And if you really are passionate about altering how ESP-r works it is distributed under GPL and you can alter the code and you can run it in a single-step debug mode to see exactly how the solution is progressing and test out new ideas. > > And I have created ESP-r models where the extrusions of the facade are explicitly treated as zones so some aspects of geometry of facades could be treated at a user defined level. There is also a 2D and 3D conduction model - but almost no one remembers how to use that. > > Can you tell us more about [fine meshed spatial grid]? > > Regards, Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Matthew Wright > [matthew.wright at c4ci.eu] > Sent: 26 February 2015 15:35 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Query: Spatial resolution > > Hi Jon/all, > > I am aware that the CFD, and an old ground heat flow, simulation modules resolve a detailed spatial grid. > > Firstly > Am I correct in my understanding that ESP-r does not do this generally? > > Secondly > If analysing glazing or similar items, is it possible to create a time dependent, fine meshed spatial grid in ESP-r? > > Thanks in advance for any advice! > > Regards > > Matt > Matthew Wright MA Physics (Oxon) PGCE > Physicist > > e: Matthew.Wright at c4ci.eu > m: +44 (0)7908030742 > p: +44 (0)1823 617166 > > P Please think before you print ! > > This e-mail including attachments is confidential, may be covered by legal professional privilege and is intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from printing, copying or distributing it. > > If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, fax or by telephone and delete this e-mail from your system. Thank you. > > C4Ci Ltd Registered Address: (Registered in England No. 06455265) Atticus House 2 The Windmills Turk Street Alton Hampshire GU34 1EF UK > > > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4299/9182 - Release Date: > 02/26/15 > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Feb 27 06:16:20 2015 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 06:16:20 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Query: Spatial resolution In-Reply-To: <000d01d051f7$48ac0770$da041650$@c4ci.eu> References: <000a01d051d9$d9e98fa0$8dbcaee0$@c4ci.eu> , <000d01d051f7$48ac0770$da041650$@c4ci.eu> Message-ID: Standard feature. Run simulation with save level 3. This records the temperatures at all nodes of all surfaces. You can the plot or animate the temperatures within a surface or do statistical analysis on the data etc. The exemplar of a trombe wall is a classic case where one might want to look at the conditions in the mass. Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: Matthew Wright [matthew.wright at c4ci.eu] Sent: 26 February 2015 19:06 To: Jon Hand; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: [esp-r] Query: Spatial resolution HI Jon, It's an attempt to see real time temperatures in a glazing and aluminium extrusion model, to pick up temperature gradients across the glass. This would appear to be against the grain in ESP-r, but I thought I would ask. Resolution to 100mm, 10mm or even 3mm would be fantastic. I would probably have a steep learning curve in presenting the results, which I guess would have to be post processed to be seen graphically, but a temperature field matrix, is obviously the goal, (not necessarily pretty pictures). Regards Matt Matthew Wright MA Physics (Oxon) PGCE Physicist e: Matthew.Wright at c4ci.eu m: +44 (0)7908030742 p: +44 (0)1823 617166 ? Please think before you print ! This e-mail including attachments is confidential, may be covered by legal professional privilege and is intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from printing, copying or distributing it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, fax or by telephone and delete this e-mail from your system. Thank you. C4Ci Ltd Registered Address: (Registered in England No. 06455265) Atticus House 2 The Windmills Turk Street Alton Hampshire GU34 1EF UK -----Original Message----- From: Jon Hand [mailto:jon at esru.strath.ac.uk] Sent: 26 February 2015 16:55 To: matthew.wright at c4ci.eu; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: [esp-r] Query: Spatial resolution Users are in charge of defining the CFD domain gridding (and we are just testing out code that supports multiple CFD domains in a model). The current implementation the grid the user defines is used throughout the assessment. It is not possible to alter the definition of the grid during the assessment, however boundary conditions and wall functions are re-evaluated at each timestep and of course heat into cells picked up during the assessment is tracked. The ground model would have a fixed definition of the grid and the thermophysical properties of associated entities. So one could not have 'mud' in the ground at one time of the assessment and dust at a different point of the assessment with the current implementation. Similarly a temporary leak in a pipe in the ground could not be corrected during an assessment. And if you really are passionate about altering how ESP-r works it is distributed under GPL and you can alter the code and you can run it in a single-step debug mode to see exactly how the solution is progressing and test out new ideas. And I have created ESP-r models where the extrusions of the facade are explicitly treated as zones so some aspects of geometry of facades could be treated at a user defined level. There is also a 2D and 3D conduction model - but almost no one remembers how to use that. Can you tell us more about [fine meshed spatial grid]? Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Matthew Wright [matthew.wright at c4ci.eu] Sent: 26 February 2015 15:35 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Query: Spatial resolution Hi Jon/all, I am aware that the CFD, and an old ground heat flow, simulation modules resolve a detailed spatial grid. Firstly Am I correct in my understanding that ESP-r does not do this generally? Secondly If analysing glazing or similar items, is it possible to create a time dependent, fine meshed spatial grid in ESP-r? Thanks in advance for any advice! Regards Matt Matthew Wright MA Physics (Oxon) PGCE Physicist e: Matthew.Wright at c4ci.eu m: +44 (0)7908030742 p: +44 (0)1823 617166 ? Please think before you print ! This e-mail including attachments is confidential, may be covered by legal professional privilege and is intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from printing, copying or distributing it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, fax or by telephone and delete this e-mail from your system. Thank you. C4Ci Ltd Registered Address: (Registered in England No. 06455265) Atticus House 2 The Windmills Turk Street Alton Hampshire GU34 1EF UK _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4299/9182 - Release Date: 02/26/15 From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Fri Feb 27 09:10:31 2015 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 10:10:31 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Query: Spatial resolution In-Reply-To: References: <000a01d051d9$d9e98fa0$8dbcaee0$@c4ci.eu> , <000d01d051f7$48ac0770$da041650$@c4ci.eu> Message-ID: <000c01d0526d$3ce025e0$b6a071a0$@intergga.ch> Hi Jon, I think not. As far as I understand, Matthew is looking for temperature gradients along the "width and breadth" of a surface, not along its thickness. This, of course, would be standard procedure. Best Achim -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Jon Hand Gesendet: Freitag, 27. Februar 2015 07:16 An: matthew.wright at c4ci.eu; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: [esp-r] Re: Query: Spatial resolution Standard feature. Run simulation with save level 3. This records the temperatures at all nodes of all surfaces. You can the plot or animate the temperatures within a surface or do statistical analysis on the data etc. The exemplar of a trombe wall is a classic case where one might want to look at the conditions in the mass. Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: Matthew Wright [matthew.wright at c4ci.eu] Sent: 26 February 2015 19:06 To: Jon Hand; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: [esp-r] Query: Spatial resolution HI Jon, It's an attempt to see real time temperatures in a glazing and aluminium extrusion model, to pick up temperature gradients across the glass. This would appear to be against the grain in ESP-r, but I thought I would ask. Resolution to 100mm, 10mm or even 3mm would be fantastic. I would probably have a steep learning curve in presenting the results, which I guess would have to be post processed to be seen graphically, but a temperature field matrix, is obviously the goal, (not necessarily pretty pictures). Regards Matt Matthew Wright MA Physics (Oxon) PGCE Physicist e: Matthew.Wright at c4ci.eu m: +44 (0)7908030742 p: +44 (0)1823 617166 P Please think before you print ! This e-mail including attachments is confidential, may be covered by legal professional privilege and is intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from printing, copying or distributing it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, fax or by telephone and delete this e-mail from your system. Thank you. C4Ci Ltd Registered Address: (Registered in England No. 06455265) Atticus House 2 The Windmills Turk Street Alton Hampshire GU34 1EF UK -----Original Message----- From: Jon Hand [mailto:jon at esru.strath.ac.uk] Sent: 26 February 2015 16:55 To: matthew.wright at c4ci.eu; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: [esp-r] Query: Spatial resolution Users are in charge of defining the CFD domain gridding (and we are just testing out code that supports multiple CFD domains in a model). The current implementation the grid the user defines is used throughout the assessment. It is not possible to alter the definition of the grid during the assessment, however boundary conditions and wall functions are re-evaluated at each timestep and of course heat into cells picked up during the assessment is tracked. The ground model would have a fixed definition of the grid and the thermophysical properties of associated entities. So one could not have 'mud' in the ground at one time of the assessment and dust at a different point of the assessment with the current implementation. Similarly a temporary leak in a pipe in the ground could not be corrected during an assessment. And if you really are passionate about altering how ESP-r works it is distributed under GPL and you can alter the code and you can run it in a single-step debug mode to see exactly how the solution is progressing and test out new ideas. And I have created ESP-r models where the extrusions of the facade are explicitly treated as zones so some aspects of geometry of facades could be treated at a user defined level. There is also a 2D and 3D conduction model - but almost no one remembers how to use that. Can you tell us more about [fine meshed spatial grid]? Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Matthew Wright [matthew.wright at c4ci.eu] Sent: 26 February 2015 15:35 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Query: Spatial resolution Hi Jon/all, I am aware that the CFD, and an old ground heat flow, simulation modules resolve a detailed spatial grid. Firstly Am I correct in my understanding that ESP-r does not do this generally? Secondly If analysing glazing or similar items, is it possible to create a time dependent, fine meshed spatial grid in ESP-r? Thanks in advance for any advice! Regards Matt Matthew Wright MA Physics (Oxon) PGCE Physicist e: Matthew.Wright at c4ci.eu m: +44 (0)7908030742 p: +44 (0)1823 617166 P Please think before you print ! This e-mail including attachments is confidential, may be covered by legal professional privilege and is intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from printing, copying or distributing it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, fax or by telephone and delete this e-mail from your system. Thank you. C4Ci Ltd Registered Address: (Registered in England No. 06455265) Atticus House 2 The Windmills Turk Street Alton Hampshire GU34 1EF UK _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4299/9182 - Release Date: 02/26/15 _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From matthew.wright at c4ci.eu Fri Feb 27 11:20:13 2015 From: matthew.wright at c4ci.eu (Matthew Wright) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 11:20:13 -0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Query: Spatial resolution In-Reply-To: <000c01d0526d$3ce025e0$b6a071a0$@intergga.ch> References: <000a01d051d9$d9e98fa0$8dbcaee0$@c4ci.eu> , <000d01d051f7$48ac0770$da041650$@c4ci.eu> <000c01d0526d$3ce025e0$b6a071a0$@intergga.ch> Message-ID: <000201d0527f$5bc73310$13559930$@c4ci.eu> Hi All, I think Achim is correct, I am looking for temperature distribution across the glass surface, which I think I will have to use something else for this. However, thank you everyone for your contributions, they have been very helpful. Regards Matt Matthew Wright MA Physics (Oxon) PGCE Physicist e: Matthew.Wright at c4ci.eu m: +44 (0)7908030742 p: +44 (0)1823 617166 ? Please think before you print ! This e-mail including attachments is confidential, may be covered by legal professional privilege and is intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from printing, copying or distributing it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, fax or by telephone and delete this e-mail from your system. Thank you. C4Ci Ltd Registered Address: (Registered in England No. 06455265) Atticus House 2 The Windmills Turk Street Alton Hampshire GU34 1EF UK -----Original Message----- From: Achim Geissler [mailto:achim.geissler at intergga.ch] Sent: 27 February 2015 09:11 To: 'Jon Hand'; matthew.wright at c4ci.eu; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: AW: [esp-r] Re: Query: Spatial resolution Hi Jon, I think not. As far as I understand, Matthew is looking for temperature gradients along the "width and breadth" of a surface, not along its thickness. This, of course, would be standard procedure. Best Achim -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Jon Hand Gesendet: Freitag, 27. Februar 2015 07:16 An: matthew.wright at c4ci.eu; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: [esp-r] Re: Query: Spatial resolution Standard feature. Run simulation with save level 3. This records the temperatures at all nodes of all surfaces. You can the plot or animate the temperatures within a surface or do statistical analysis on the data etc. The exemplar of a trombe wall is a classic case where one might want to look at the conditions in the mass. Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: Matthew Wright [matthew.wright at c4ci.eu] Sent: 26 February 2015 19:06 To: Jon Hand; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: [esp-r] Query: Spatial resolution HI Jon, It's an attempt to see real time temperatures in a glazing and aluminium extrusion model, to pick up temperature gradients across the glass. This would appear to be against the grain in ESP-r, but I thought I would ask. Resolution to 100mm, 10mm or even 3mm would be fantastic. I would probably have a steep learning curve in presenting the results, which I guess would have to be post processed to be seen graphically, but a temperature field matrix, is obviously the goal, (not necessarily pretty pictures). Regards Matt Matthew Wright MA Physics (Oxon) PGCE Physicist e: Matthew.Wright at c4ci.eu m: +44 (0)7908030742 p: +44 (0)1823 617166 P Please think before you print ! This e-mail including attachments is confidential, may be covered by legal professional privilege and is intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from printing, copying or distributing it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, fax or by telephone and delete this e-mail from your system. Thank you. C4Ci Ltd Registered Address: (Registered in England No. 06455265) Atticus House 2 The Windmills Turk Street Alton Hampshire GU34 1EF UK -----Original Message----- From: Jon Hand [mailto:jon at esru.strath.ac.uk] Sent: 26 February 2015 16:55 To: matthew.wright at c4ci.eu; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: [esp-r] Query: Spatial resolution Users are in charge of defining the CFD domain gridding (and we are just testing out code that supports multiple CFD domains in a model). The current implementation the grid the user defines is used throughout the assessment. It is not possible to alter the definition of the grid during the assessment, however boundary conditions and wall functions are re-evaluated at each timestep and of course heat into cells picked up during the assessment is tracked. The ground model would have a fixed definition of the grid and the thermophysical properties of associated entities. So one could not have 'mud' in the ground at one time of the assessment and dust at a different point of the assessment with the current implementation. Similarly a temporary leak in a pipe in the ground could not be corrected during an assessment. And if you really are passionate about altering how ESP-r works it is distributed under GPL and you can alter the code and you can run it in a single-step debug mode to see exactly how the solution is progressing and test out new ideas. And I have created ESP-r models where the extrusions of the facade are explicitly treated as zones so some aspects of geometry of facades could be treated at a user defined level. There is also a 2D and 3D conduction model - but almost no one remembers how to use that. Can you tell us more about [fine meshed spatial grid]? Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Matthew Wright [matthew.wright at c4ci.eu] Sent: 26 February 2015 15:35 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Query: Spatial resolution Hi Jon/all, I am aware that the CFD, and an old ground heat flow, simulation modules resolve a detailed spatial grid. Firstly Am I correct in my understanding that ESP-r does not do this generally? Secondly If analysing glazing or similar items, is it possible to create a time dependent, fine meshed spatial grid in ESP-r? Thanks in advance for any advice! Regards Matt Matthew Wright MA Physics (Oxon) PGCE Physicist e: Matthew.Wright at c4ci.eu m: +44 (0)7908030742 p: +44 (0)1823 617166 P Please think before you print ! This e-mail including attachments is confidential, may be covered by legal professional privilege and is intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from printing, copying or distributing it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, fax or by telephone and delete this e-mail from your system. Thank you. C4Ci Ltd Registered Address: (Registered in England No. 06455265) Atticus House 2 The Windmills Turk Street Alton Hampshire GU34 1EF UK _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4299/9182 - Release Date: 02/26/15 _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4299/9188 - Release Date: 02/27/15 From joe at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Feb 27 13:22:26 2015 From: joe at esru.strath.ac.uk (Joe Clarke) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:22:26 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Query: Spatial resolution In-Reply-To: <000201d0527f$5bc73310$13559930$@c4ci.eu> References: <000a01d051d9$d9e98fa0$8dbcaee0$@c4ci.eu> , <000d01d051f7$48ac0770$da041650$@c4ci.eu> <000c01d0526d$3ce025e0$b6a071a0$@intergga.ch> <000201d0527f$5bc73310$13559930$@c4ci.eu> Message-ID: <54F06F92.4040101@esru.strath.ac.uk> Hi Matthew ESP-r has a facility for 3d conduction modelling implemented by Nahki - see http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/Documents/PhD/nakhi_thesis.pdf. Perhaps you are the the very person to reactivate this little used feature of ESP-r ;-). Regards, Joe -- Professor J A Clarke Director, ESRU and BRE Centre of Excellence Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering James Weir Building, Room 8.14f 75 Montrose Street University of Strathclyde Glasgow G1 1XJ email: joe at esru.strath.ac.uk phone: +44 (0)141 548 3986 mobile: +44 (0)7800903808 On 27/02/2015 11:20, Matthew Wright wrote: > Hi All, > > I think Achim is correct, I am looking for temperature distribution across the glass surface, which I think I will have to use something else for this. > However, thank you everyone for your contributions, they have been very helpful. > > > Regards > > Matt > Matthew Wright MA Physics (Oxon) PGCE > Physicist > > e: Matthew.Wright at c4ci.eu > m: +44 (0)7908030742 > p: +44 (0)1823 617166 > > ? Please think before you print ! > > This e-mail including attachments is confidential, may be covered by legal professional privilege and is intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from printing, copying or distributing it. > > If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, fax or by telephone and delete this e-mail from your system. Thank you. > > C4Ci Ltd Registered Address: (Registered in England No. 06455265) Atticus House 2 The Windmills Turk Street Alton Hampshire GU34 1EF UK > > -----Original Message----- > From: Achim Geissler [mailto:achim.geissler at intergga.ch] > Sent: 27 February 2015 09:11 > To: 'Jon Hand'; matthew.wright at c4ci.eu; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: AW: [esp-r] Re: Query: Spatial resolution > > Hi Jon, > > I think not. As far as I understand, Matthew is looking for temperature gradients along the "width and breadth" of a surface, not along its thickness. This, of course, would be standard procedure. > > Best > Achim > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Jon Hand > Gesendet: Freitag, 27. Februar 2015 07:16 > An: matthew.wright at c4ci.eu; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Betreff: [esp-r] Re: Query: Spatial resolution > > > Standard feature. Run simulation with save level 3. This records the temperatures at all nodes of all surfaces. You can the plot or animate the temperatures within a surface or do statistical analysis on the data etc. > > The exemplar of a trombe wall is a classic case where one might want to look at the conditions in the mass. > > Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: Matthew Wright [matthew.wright at c4ci.eu] > Sent: 26 February 2015 19:06 > To: Jon Hand; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: RE: [esp-r] Query: Spatial resolution > > HI Jon, > > It's an attempt to see real time temperatures in a glazing and aluminium extrusion model, to pick up temperature gradients across the glass. > This would appear to be against the grain in ESP-r, but I thought I would ask. > Resolution to 100mm, 10mm or even 3mm would be fantastic. > I would probably have a steep learning curve in presenting the results, which I guess would have to be post processed to be seen graphically, but a temperature field matrix, is obviously the goal, (not necessarily pretty pictures). > > > Regards > > Matt > Matthew Wright MA Physics (Oxon) PGCE > Physicist > > e: Matthew.Wright at c4ci.eu > m: +44 (0)7908030742 > p: +44 (0)1823 617166 > > P Please think before you print ! > > This e-mail including attachments is confidential, may be covered by legal professional privilege and is intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from printing, copying or distributing it. > > If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, fax or by telephone and delete this e-mail from your system. Thank you. > > C4Ci Ltd Registered Address: (Registered in England No. 06455265) Atticus House 2 The Windmills Turk Street Alton Hampshire GU34 1EF UK > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Hand [mailto:jon at esru.strath.ac.uk] > Sent: 26 February 2015 16:55 > To: matthew.wright at c4ci.eu; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: RE: [esp-r] Query: Spatial resolution > > > Users are in charge of defining the CFD domain gridding (and we are just testing out code that supports multiple CFD domains in a model). The current implementation the grid the user defines is used throughout the assessment. It is not possible to alter the definition of the grid during the assessment, however boundary conditions and wall functions are re-evaluated at each timestep and of course heat into cells picked up during the assessment is tracked. > > The ground model would have a fixed definition of the grid and the thermophysical properties of associated entities. So one could not have 'mud' in the ground at one time of the assessment and dust at a different point of the assessment with the current implementation. Similarly a temporary leak in a pipe in the ground could not be corrected during an assessment. > > And if you really are passionate about altering how ESP-r works it is distributed under GPL and you can alter the code and you can run it in a single-step debug mode to see exactly how the solution is progressing and test out new ideas. > > And I have created ESP-r models where the extrusions of the facade are explicitly treated as zones so some aspects of geometry of facades could be treated at a user defined level. There is also a 2D and 3D conduction model - but almost no one remembers how to use that. > > Can you tell us more about [fine meshed spatial grid]? > > Regards, Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Matthew Wright [matthew.wright at c4ci.eu] > Sent: 26 February 2015 15:35 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Query: Spatial resolution > > Hi Jon/all, > > I am aware that the CFD, and an old ground heat flow, simulation modules resolve a detailed spatial grid. > > Firstly > Am I correct in my understanding that ESP-r does not do this generally? > > Secondly > If analysing glazing or similar items, is it possible to create a time dependent, fine meshed spatial grid in ESP-r? > > Thanks in advance for any advice! > > Regards > > Matt > Matthew Wright MA Physics (Oxon) PGCE > Physicist > > e: Matthew.Wright at c4ci.eu > m: +44 (0)7908030742 > p: +44 (0)1823 617166 > > P Please think before you print ! > > This e-mail including attachments is confidential, may be covered by legal professional privilege and is intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from printing, copying or distributing it. > > If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, fax or by telephone and delete this e-mail from your system. Thank you. > > C4Ci Ltd Registered Address: (Registered in England No. 06455265) Atticus House 2 The Windmills Turk Street Alton Hampshire GU34 1EF UK > > > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4299/9182 - Release Date: 02/26/15 > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4299/9188 - Release Date: 02/27/15 > > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From matthew.wright at c4ci.eu Fri Feb 27 15:29:04 2015 From: matthew.wright at c4ci.eu (Matthew Wright) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:29:04 -0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Query: Spatial resolution In-Reply-To: <54F06F92.4040101@esru.strath.ac.uk> References: <000a01d051d9$d9e98fa0$8dbcaee0$@c4ci.eu> , <000d01d051f7$48ac0770$da041650$@c4ci.eu> <000c01d0526d$3ce025e0$b6a071a0$@intergga.ch> <000201d0527f$5bc73310$13559930$@c4ci.eu> <54F06F92.4040101@esru.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <000501d052a2$1f280380$5d780a80$@c4ci.eu> Thanks! A project to look into. :-) Regards Matt Matthew Wright MA Physics (Oxon) PGCE Physicist -----Original Message----- From: Joe Clarke [mailto:joe at esru.strath.ac.uk] Sent: 27 February 2015 13:22 To: matthew.wright at c4ci.eu Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: Query: Spatial resolution Hi Matthew ESP-r has a facility for 3d conduction modelling implemented by Nahki - see http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/Documents/PhD/nakhi_thesis.pdf. Perhaps you are the the very person to reactivate this little used feature of ESP-r ;-). Regards, Joe -- Professor J A Clarke Director, ESRU and BRE Centre of Excellence Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering James Weir Building, Room 8.14f 75 Montrose Street University of Strathclyde Glasgow G1 1XJ email: joe at esru.strath.ac.uk phone: +44 (0)141 548 3986 mobile: +44 (0)7800903808 On 27/02/2015 11:20, Matthew Wright wrote: > Hi All, > > I think Achim is correct, I am looking for temperature distribution across the glass surface, which I think I will have to use something else for this. > However, thank you everyone for your contributions, they have been very helpful. > > > Regards > > Matt > Matthew Wright MA Physics (Oxon) PGCE > Physicist > > e: Matthew.Wright at c4ci.eu > m: +44 (0)7908030742 > p: +44 (0)1823 617166 > > ? Please think before you print ! > > This e-mail including attachments is confidential, may be covered by legal professional privilege and is intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from printing, copying or distributing it. > > If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, fax or by telephone and delete this e-mail from your system. Thank you. > > C4Ci Ltd Registered Address: (Registered in England No. 06455265) Atticus House 2 The Windmills Turk Street Alton Hampshire GU34 1EF UK > > -----Original Message----- > From: Achim Geissler [mailto:achim.geissler at intergga.ch] > Sent: 27 February 2015 09:11 > To: 'Jon Hand'; matthew.wright at c4ci.eu; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: AW: [esp-r] Re: Query: Spatial resolution > > Hi Jon, > > I think not. As far as I understand, Matthew is looking for temperature gradients along the "width and breadth" of a surface, not along its thickness. This, of course, would be standard procedure. > > Best > Achim > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Jon Hand > Gesendet: Freitag, 27. Februar 2015 07:16 > An: matthew.wright at c4ci.eu; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Betreff: [esp-r] Re: Query: Spatial resolution > > > Standard feature. Run simulation with save level 3. This records the temperatures at all nodes of all surfaces. You can the plot or animate the temperatures within a surface or do statistical analysis on the data etc. > > The exemplar of a trombe wall is a classic case where one might want to look at the conditions in the mass. > > Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: Matthew Wright [matthew.wright at c4ci.eu] > Sent: 26 February 2015 19:06 > To: Jon Hand; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: RE: [esp-r] Query: Spatial resolution > > HI Jon, > > It's an attempt to see real time temperatures in a glazing and aluminium extrusion model, to pick up temperature gradients across the glass. > This would appear to be against the grain in ESP-r, but I thought I would ask. > Resolution to 100mm, 10mm or even 3mm would be fantastic. > I would probably have a steep learning curve in presenting the results, which I guess would have to be post processed to be seen graphically, but a temperature field matrix, is obviously the goal, (not necessarily pretty pictures). > > > Regards > > Matt > Matthew Wright MA Physics (Oxon) PGCE > Physicist > > e: Matthew.Wright at c4ci.eu > m: +44 (0)7908030742 > p: +44 (0)1823 617166 > > P Please think before you print ! > > This e-mail including attachments is confidential, may be covered by legal professional privilege and is intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from printing, copying or distributing it. > > If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, fax or by telephone and delete this e-mail from your system. Thank you. > > C4Ci Ltd Registered Address: (Registered in England No. 06455265) Atticus House 2 The Windmills Turk Street Alton Hampshire GU34 1EF UK > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Hand [mailto:jon at esru.strath.ac.uk] > Sent: 26 February 2015 16:55 > To: matthew.wright at c4ci.eu; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: RE: [esp-r] Query: Spatial resolution > > > Users are in charge of defining the CFD domain gridding (and we are just testing out code that supports multiple CFD domains in a model). The current implementation the grid the user defines is used throughout the assessment. It is not possible to alter the definition of the grid during the assessment, however boundary conditions and wall functions are re-evaluated at each timestep and of course heat into cells picked up during the assessment is tracked. > > The ground model would have a fixed definition of the grid and the thermophysical properties of associated entities. So one could not have 'mud' in the ground at one time of the assessment and dust at a different point of the assessment with the current implementation. Similarly a temporary leak in a pipe in the ground could not be corrected during an assessment. > > And if you really are passionate about altering how ESP-r works it is distributed under GPL and you can alter the code and you can run it in a single-step debug mode to see exactly how the solution is progressing and test out new ideas. > > And I have created ESP-r models where the extrusions of the facade are explicitly treated as zones so some aspects of geometry of facades could be treated at a user defined level. There is also a 2D and 3D conduction model - but almost no one remembers how to use that. > > Can you tell us more about [fine meshed spatial grid]? > > Regards, Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Matthew Wright > [matthew.wright at c4ci.eu] > Sent: 26 February 2015 15:35 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Query: Spatial resolution > > Hi Jon/all, > > I am aware that the CFD, and an old ground heat flow, simulation modules resolve a detailed spatial grid. > > Firstly > Am I correct in my understanding that ESP-r does not do this generally? > > Secondly > If analysing glazing or similar items, is it possible to create a time dependent, fine meshed spatial grid in ESP-r? > > Thanks in advance for any advice! > > Regards > > Matt > Matthew Wright MA Physics (Oxon) PGCE > Physicist > > e: Matthew.Wright at c4ci.eu > m: +44 (0)7908030742 > p: +44 (0)1823 617166 > > P Please think before you print ! > > This e-mail including attachments is confidential, may be covered by legal professional privilege and is intended for the addressee only. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4299/9188 - Release Date: 02/27/15 From A.Sdei2 at brighton.ac.uk Mon Mar 2 12:42:20 2015 From: A.Sdei2 at brighton.ac.uk (Arianna Sdei) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 12:42:20 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] (no subject) Message-ID: Dear All, if you wish to contact me please use this address a.sdei2 at brighton.ac.uk. My previous Brighton account is no longer available. Kind regards, Arianna ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ ___________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ To: Jon Hand Subject: OSX upgrade Hi John, i took the step to upgrade my MacBook Pro to OS X Yosemite 10.10.2 All well o far If there is a chance to run ESP-r on it? I'll be glad to try. best regards Xavier From A.Sdei2 at brighton.ac.uk Thu Mar 5 15:15:47 2015 From: A.Sdei2 at brighton.ac.uk (Arianna Sdei) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 15:15:47 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] pcm Message-ID: Dear All, I would like to modify an old model that uses PCM. I know the melting point of the material 26C and the latent heat 100kJ/kg. All other parameters are unknown to me at the moment. How can I set up parameters for conductivity and a and b in the equation y=ax+b in a way that the indoor temperature reduction is maximized? please let me know, kind regards. Arianna ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20150305/2efae9a4/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Sat Mar 7 12:10:30 2015 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2015 13:10:30 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: pcm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <97123588-CCD2-47C2-8AED-8C7544465E93@intergga.ch> Hi Arianna, according to the info in mscomp.db2 (good place to look for further information) if you assume latent heat is constant in the temperature range Tsolid-Tmelt, then a=0 and b=latent heat (however in the unit kJ/(kg K) and not as you give kJ/kg ? likely use a temperature span of 1 K and you will have the same number with a correct unit - but no idea if this would be correct for your specific PCM - more data on the material would be helpful). You may try (assume PCM melts is from 25.5 to 26.5 ?C) 0 = a (25.5+273) + b 100 = a (26.5+273) + b b= -a (25.5+273) 100 = a (26.5+273) - a (25.5+273) => a = 100/1 = 100 kJ/(kg K^2) => b = -29850 kJ/(kg K) This would give the function latent(T)=100 kJ/(kg K^2)*T K - 29850 kJ/(kg K). This should cover the second case described in mscomp.db2, the general idea being that you integrate from start of melting to end of melting (you need a temperature span) and when melting is done, you should end up with your given overall latent heat. Mind, though, that I have not tested above procedure for the simple PCM model. The value of the conductivity could be chosen as or close to the embedding material value (provided the PCM is embedded e.g. in plasterboard). Otherwise, you would need to know approximately what type of material the PCM is and look for some literature values for conductivity (solid and molten). Best Achim On Mar 5, 2015, at 4:15 PM, Arianna Sdei wrote: > Dear All, > > I would like to modify an old model that uses PCM. I know the melting point of the material 26C and the latent heat 100kJ/kg. All other parameters are unknown to me at the moment. 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20150311/5e0f8c10/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Mar 11 12:25:18 2015 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 12:25:18 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: win 7 current installer Message-ID: We updated the installer, here is a new link? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17785121/ESPr_Installers/ESP-r_setup_native_windows_w7_v12_2a.exe Regards, Jon Hnd ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of MORI Taro [mori.taro at eng.hokudai.ac.jp] Sent: 11 March 2015 09:37 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] win 7 Dear all I'd like to install new version of esp-r on Win 7. Several month ago, there is the topic about the link for Win7 installer. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/?/ESP-r_setup_native_wind? But I can't find it right now. Anyone who find the link? Also, We would like to conduct parametric study by using Esp-r. Are there any tools for parametric study such as EPLaunch for enegy-plus? From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Wed Mar 11 19:16:29 2015 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 20:16:29 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: win 7 current installer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D4D65C5-01C4-45BC-9649-EFBAB27D73D3@intergga.ch> Dear Mori Taro, in regard to parametric studies, likely the text mode possible with ESP-r can cover your needs. As example for this, look at models/training/Detached_2z_system/cfg/extract_det for an example of running res in text mode. Best Achim On Mar 11, 2015, at 1:25 PM, Jon Hand wrote: > > We updated the installer, here is a new link? > > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17785121/ESPr_Installers/ESP-r_setup_native_windows_w7_v12_2a.exe > > Regards, Jon Hnd > > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of MORI Taro [mori.taro at eng.hokudai.ac.jp] > Sent: 11 March 2015 09:37 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] win 7 > > Dear all > > I'd like to install new version of esp-r on Win 7. Several month ago, there is the topic about the link for Win7 installer. > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/?/ESP-r_setup_native_wind? > But I can't find it right now. > Anyone who find the link? > > Also, We would like to conduct parametric study by using Esp-r. > Are there any tools for parametric study such as EPLaunch for enegy-plus? > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch From aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk Fri Mar 13 10:28:59 2015 From: aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk (Aizaz Samuel) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 10:28:59 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: win 7 current installer In-Reply-To: <3D4D65C5-01C4-45BC-9649-EFBAB27D73D3@intergga.ch> References: <3D4D65C5-01C4-45BC-9649-EFBAB27D73D3@intergga.ch> Message-ID: <5502BBEB.3060303@strath.ac.uk> Mori Taro, Further to Achim's comments below are some examples of scripts for parametric runs and results extraction: 1. In the DSM folder there are scripts to automatically run a number of models and write a pdf report. 2. In the CFD folder there are scripts to run the CFD exemplar models, make comparisons and write a report. 3. In the HUE folder there are scripts to generate models, simulate, extract results and perform statistical analyses on the results. The location of these should be the models/validation folder. Note that some or most of the features of the above may not be supported on W7. Regards, Aizaz Dr Aizaz Samuel Energy Systems Research Unit Department of Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering University of Strathclyde James Weir Building, Montrose Street GLASGOW, UK G1 1XJ e: samuel at esru.strath.ac.uk t: +44 141 548 5765 f: +44 141 552 5105 w: www.strath.ac.uk/esru On 11/03/2015 19:16, Achim Geissler wrote: > Dear Mori Taro, > > in regard to parametric studies, likely the text mode possible with ESP-r can cover your needs. As example for this, look at models/training/Detached_2z_system/cfg/extract_det for an example of running res in text mode. > > Best > Achim > > > On Mar 11, 2015, at 1:25 PM, Jon Hand wrote: > >> We updated the installer, here is a new link? >> >> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17785121/ESPr_Installers/ESP-r_setup_native_windows_w7_v12_2a.exe >> >> Regards, Jon Hnd >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of MORI Taro [mori.taro at eng.hokudai.ac.jp] >> Sent: 11 March 2015 09:37 >> To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> Subject: [esp-r] win 7 >> >> Dear all >> >> I'd like to install new version of esp-r on Win 7. Several month ago, there is the topic about the link for Win7 installer. >> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/?/ESP-r_setup_native_wind? >> But I can't find it right now. >> Anyone who find the link? >> >> Also, We would like to conduct parametric study by using Esp-r. >> Are there any tools for parametric study such as EPLaunch for enegy-plus? >> _______________________________________________ >> esp-r mailing list >> esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > achim.geissler at intergga.ch > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > From mori.taro at eng.hokudai.ac.jp Fri Mar 13 17:51:26 2015 From: mori.taro at eng.hokudai.ac.jp (MORI Taro) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 02:51:26 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] Re: esp-r Digest, Vol 104, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5503239E.2020409@eng.hokudai.ac.jp> Dear Dr. Achim , Dr. Aizaz Samuel, Dr. Jon Hand Thank you for your information. I'll try it. By the way, you held the training of esp-r last Feb. Do you have the plan of e-learning? regards On ?? 27/3/14 2:30, esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk wrote: > Send esp-r mailing list submissions to > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk > > You can reach the person managing the list at > esp-r-owner at lists.strath.ac.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of esp-r digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: win 7 current installer (Aizaz Samuel) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 10:28:59 +0000 > From: Aizaz Samuel > Subject: [esp-r] Re: win 7 current installer > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Message-ID: <5502BBEB.3060303 at strath.ac.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > Mori Taro, > > Further to Achim's comments below are some examples of scripts for > parametric runs and results extraction: > 1. In the DSM folder there are scripts to automatically run a number of > models and write a pdf report. > 2. In the CFD folder there are scripts to run the CFD exemplar models, > make comparisons and write a report. > 3. In the HUE folder there are scripts to generate models, simulate, > extract results and perform statistical analyses on the results. > > The location of these should be the models/validation folder. > > Note that some or most of the features of the above may not be supported > on W7. > > Regards, > Aizaz > > Dr Aizaz Samuel > Energy Systems Research Unit > Department of Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering > University of Strathclyde > James Weir Building, Montrose Street > GLASGOW, UK > G1 1XJ > e: samuel at esru.strath.ac.uk > t: +44 141 548 5765 > f: +44 141 552 5105 > w: www.strath.ac.uk/esru > > On 11/03/2015 19:16, Achim Geissler wrote: >> Dear Mori Taro, >> >> in regard to parametric studies, likely the text mode possible with ESP-r can cover your needs. As example for this, look at models/training/Detached_2z_system/cfg/extract_det for an example of running res in text mode. >> >> Best >> Achim >> >> >> On Mar 11, 2015, at 1:25 PM, Jon Hand wrote: >> >>> We updated the installer, here is a new link? >>> >>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17785121/ESPr_Installers/ESP-r_setup_native_windows_w7_v12_2a.exe >>> >>> Regards, Jon Hnd >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of MORI Taro [mori.taro at eng.hokudai.ac.jp] >>> Sent: 11 March 2015 09:37 >>> To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >>> Subject: [esp-r] win 7 >>> >>> Dear all >>> >>> I'd like to install new version of esp-r on Win 7. Several month ago, there is the topic about the link for Win7 installer. >>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/?/ESP-r_setup_native_wind? >>> But I can't find it right now. >>> Anyone who find the link? >>> >>> Also, We would like to conduct parametric study by using Esp-r. >>> Are there any tools for parametric study such as EPLaunch for enegy-plus? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> esp-r mailing list >>> esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >>> http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r >> achim.geissler at intergga.ch >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> esp-r mailing list >> esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > End of esp-r Digest, Vol 104, Issue 6 > ************************************* > From grobe at gmx.net Tue Apr 7 16:25:05 2015 From: grobe at gmx.net (Lars O. Grobe) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 18:25:05 +0300 Subject: [esp-r] Outdated zone-files and missing constructions Message-ID: Hi, I have two questions, one being about a warning I would like to understand, the other a problem I need to somehow solve: 1) When loading my model in the project manager, I get a warning about an out-of-date format for a zone operation file. I Choose to update it, but the warning appears again with the next start of esp-r. 2) After updating, I am asked wether I also want to refresh the zone construction files from common materials and construction attributes. If I select yes, I end in a lot of messages about constructions which were not found in the mlc db (thus resetting to UNKNOWN is proposed). The construction is indeed not in the mlc, however, I see these constructions in the .con file. I first experienced this after (shame on me) playing around with some complex fenestration constructions, I had better though about doing this with a copy of my model. Obviously I do not have a clear understanding of the role of the two files - is the .con an alternative to the .db for keeping constructions, or does it just reference the definitions in the .db? I have a file .constrdb in my model directory, however I cannot select it from project managar (which allows me to choose only from ../). Any help is strongly appreciated - more to understand what is in the files than to avoid re-defining the few constructions. Cheers, Lars. From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Apr 9 09:57:33 2015 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2015 08:57:33 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Outdated zone-files and missing constructions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I attach a link to current documentation about ESP-r. There is a section about the materials and construction databases. There are also sections discussing how to attribute surfaces in terms of their constructions. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17785121/esp-r_cookbook_jan_2015d.pdf What version of ESP-r are you using and on what kind of computer and operating system? The zone operations file has evolved over time and when older files are detected you get the option to save the file to newer versions (which offer more space for documentation and allow you to name the casual gain types if you want). Current versions of ESP-r do not exhibit the warning on 2nd start. The materials and constructions databases hold data that is used to create the zone construction files. Zone construction files are designed so that the simulator can quickly access the information it needs without having to re-read the databases multiple times. Materials and constructions databases that are found in the databases folder of the ESP-r distribution include items used by many models. Some models have custom materials and/or constructions and they tend to reference materials or construction databases located in the model dbs folder. Surfaces have attributes of construction name. These are set in the surface attributes menus of the zone geometry. ESP-r checks to see if a matching name is found in the currently-loaded database when it attempts to create a zone construction file and if it does not find it it brings up a list of available constructions to select from. So your model has surfaces with attributes of construction which are not found in the current constructions database. Are these constructions that you defined? Perhaps you need to use a different construction database? Please tell us more about your model. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Lars O. Grobe [grobe at gmx.net] Sent: 07 April 2015 16:25 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club Subject: [esp-r] Outdated zone-files and missing constructions Hi, I have two questions, one being about a warning I would like to understand, the other a problem I need to somehow solve: 1) When loading my model in the project manager, I get a warning about an out-of-date format for a zone operation file. I Choose to update it, but the warning appears again with the next start of esp-r. 2) After updating, I am asked wether I also want to refresh the zone construction files from common materials and construction attributes. If I select yes, I end in a lot of messages about constructions which were not found in the mlc db (thus resetting to UNKNOWN is proposed). The construction is indeed not in the mlc, however, I see these constructions in the .con file. I first experienced this after (shame on me) playing around with some complex fenestration constructions, I had better though about doing this with a copy of my model. Obviously I do not have a clear understanding of the role of the two files - is the .con an alternative to the .db for keeping constructions, or does it just reference the definitions in the .db? I have a file .constrdb in my model directory, however I cannot select it from project managar (which allows me to choose only from ../). Any help is strongly appreciated - more to understand what is in the files than to avoid re-defining the few constructions. Cheers, Lars. _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Apr 9 10:10:55 2015 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2015 09:10:55 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Outdated zone-files and missing constructions In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: One more issue: "I have a file .constrdb in my model directory, however I cannot select it from project managar (which allows me to choose only from ../)." The usual pattern is to place local .constrdb files in the model ../dbs folder. Does your model have a dbs folder? Try this - start the project manager from within the model cfg folder and see if you get an option to identify the construction database file in the ../dbs folder. If all else fails you can use a text editor to alter the line of the model cfg file which holds the name of the constructions database. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Jon Hand [jon at esru.strath.ac.uk] Sent: 09 April 2015 09:57 To: Lars O. Grobe; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club Subject: [esp-r] Re: Outdated zone-files and missing constructions I attach a link to current documentation about ESP-r. There is a section about the materials and construction databases. There are also sections discussing how to attribute surfaces in terms of their constructions. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17785121/esp-r_cookbook_jan_2015d.pdf What version of ESP-r are you using and on what kind of computer and operating system? The zone operations file has evolved over time and when older files are detected you get the option to save the file to newer versions (which offer more space for documentation and allow you to name the casual gain types if you want). Current versions of ESP-r do not exhibit the warning on 2nd start. The materials and constructions databases hold data that is used to create the zone construction files. Zone construction files are designed so that the simulator can quickly access the information it needs without having to re-read the databases multiple times. Materials and constructions databases that are found in the databases folder of the ESP-r distribution include items used by many models. Some models have custom materials and/or constructions and they tend to reference materials or construction databases located in the model dbs folder. Surfaces have attributes of construction name. These are set in the surface attributes menus of the zone geometry. ESP-r checks to see if a matching name is found in the currently-loaded database when it attempts to create a zone construction file and if it does not find it it brings up a list of available constructions to select from. So your model has surfaces with attributes of construction which are not found in the current constructions database. Are these constructions that you defined? Perhaps you need to use a different construction database? Please tell us more about your model. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Lars O. Grobe [grobe at gmx.net] Sent: 07 April 2015 16:25 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club Subject: [esp-r] Outdated zone-files and missing constructions Hi, I have two questions, one being about a warning I would like to understand, the other a problem I need to somehow solve: 1) When loading my model in the project manager, I get a warning about an out-of-date format for a zone operation file. I Choose to update it, but the warning appears again with the next start of esp-r. 2) After updating, I am asked wether I also want to refresh the zone construction files from common materials and construction attributes. If I select yes, I end in a lot of messages about constructions which were not found in the mlc db (thus resetting to UNKNOWN is proposed). The construction is indeed not in the mlc, however, I see these constructions in the .con file. I first experienced this after (shame on me) playing around with some complex fenestration constructions, I had better though about doing this with a copy of my model. Obviously I do not have a clear understanding of the role of the two files - is the .con an alternative to the .db for keeping constructions, or does it just reference the definitions in the .db? I have a file .constrdb in my model directory, however I cannot select it from project managar (which allows me to choose only from ../). Any help is strongly appreciated - more to understand what is in the files than to avoid re-defining the few constructions. Cheers, Lars. _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From grobe at gmx.net Fri Apr 10 10:42:50 2015 From: grobe at gmx.net (Lars O. Grobe) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 12:42:50 +0300 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Outdated zone-files and missing constructions In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hi Jon, thank you for your reply with all that information. I could finally understand what has happened (well, what I had done without knowing...). > One more issue: "I have a file .constrdb in my model directory, however I cannot select it from project managar (which allows me to choose only from ../)." > > The usual pattern is to place local .constrdb files in the model ../dbs folder. Does your model have a dbs folder? I have a simple model, with a flat structure where all files are in folder (all ./). > Try this - start the project manager from within the model cfg folder and see if you get an option to > identify the construction database file in the ../dbs folder. If all else fails you can use a text editor > to alter the line of the model cfg file which holds the name of the constructions database. I could load the constrdb-file, but it was empty. At that point I realized what happened. In the db maintenance menu, if I select the constructions db, there is a menu item "create new constructions". I must have clicked that, assuming that it would lead to a dialogue to create a new construction. Instead, what this does, is obviously creating a new (empty) constructions file, overwriting the existing one. I did not realize this immediately, as the information was still within the .con files of each zone. The problem showed up finally when I got the message indicating outdated file-formats, proposing to re-build the files from the constructions db - where these constructions did not exist any more. > What version of ESP-r are you using and on what kind of computer and operating system? I had initially set up the model on OS X using a version 11.11 from the repository. However, esp-r seams to be not really stable on the Mac at the moment (this would be another thread), so I continued working on a Linux installation (version 12.0). > So your model has surfaces with attributes of construction which are not > found in the current constructions database. Are these constructions that > you defined? Perhaps you need to use a different construction database? I had those constructions in the .constrdb-file. What I was wondering was, is there any way to write back information from the .con-files into an empty .constrdb-file? It seamed that most information was there, but I could not sync backwards from the .con-file to the database to restore what I had deleted. Related to this, I also found no way to move data between databases. E.g. I would like to import one construction from one construction database into my model construction database - is there any way to do so? For now, I redefined the constructions. The model is just a simple room, three wall-types, one floor, one roof, one window, one door. So not too much effort to solve the problem, however I wanted to learn from that. Cheers, Lars. From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Apr 10 12:02:39 2015 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 11:02:39 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Outdated zone-files and missing constructions In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: The problem might be the flat file structure of your model. Essentially all new models created in the Project Manager default to the same folder structure of cfg ctl zones dbs nets doc and that is what ESP-r is tested with. Attempting to coerce a model in to one folder can result in subtle issues. Part of the model cfg file includes lines which specify the names of the folders used in the model. Unless you specifically edited these the code will be looking for the paths in the model which might not exist. It really is recommended that models use the standard folder structure. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Lars O.Grobe [grobe at gmx.net] Sent: 10 April 2015 10:42 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club Subject: [esp-r] Re: Outdated zone-files and missing constructions Hi Jon, thank you for your reply with all that information. I could finally understand what has happened (well, what I had done without knowing...). > One more issue: "I have a file .constrdb in my model directory, however I cannot select it from project managar (which allows me to choose only from ../)." > > The usual pattern is to place local .constrdb files in the model ../dbs folder. Does your model have a dbs folder? I have a simple model, with a flat structure where all files are in folder (all ./). > Try this - start the project manager from within the model cfg folder and see if you get an option to > identify the construction database file in the ../dbs folder. If all else fails you can use a text editor > to alter the line of the model cfg file which holds the name of the constructions database. I could load the constrdb-file, but it was empty. At that point I realized what happened. In the db maintenance menu, if I select the constructions db, there is a menu item "create new constructions". I must have clicked that, assuming that it would lead to a dialogue to create a new construction. Instead, what this does, is obviously creating a new (empty) constructions file, overwriting the existing one. I did not realize this immediately, as the information was still within the .con files of each zone. The problem showed up finally when I got the message indicating outdated file-formats, proposing to re-build the files from the constructions db - where these constructions did not exist any more. > What version of ESP-r are you using and on what kind of computer and operating system? I had initially set up the model on OS X using a version 11.11 from the repository. However, esp-r seams to be not really stable on the Mac at the moment (this would be another thread), so I continued working on a Linux installation (version 12.0). > So your model has surfaces with attributes of construction which are not > found in the current constructions database. Are these constructions that > you defined? Perhaps you need to use a different construction database? I had those constructions in the .constrdb-file. What I was wondering was, is there any way to write back information from the .con-files into an empty .constrdb-file? It seamed that most information was there, but I could not sync backwards from the .con-file to the database to restore what I had deleted. Related to this, I also found no way to move data between databases. E.g. I would like to import one construction from one construction database into my model construction database - is there any way to do so? For now, I redefined the constructions. The model is just a simple room, three wall-types, one floor, one roof, one window, one door. So not too much effort to solve the problem, however I wanted to learn from that. Cheers, Lars. _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Apr 10 12:07:52 2015 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 11:07:52 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Outdated zone-files and missing constructions In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: Related to ESP-r on OSX - 11.11 is well beyond ancient. We have sorted out some problematic C code that was causing faults in OSX 8 and OSX 9. I have successfully compiled and run on these, however the patches have not yet been introduced into the standard repository. If you want a source code base that does compile on more recent OSX contact me and I can send instructions for how to get it. There is not facility within ESP-r to move constructions between databases. Experts will, of course, open up a text editor and copy and paste and tweak the headers and ensure that all the referenced materials have also been dealt with. Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: Lars O. Grobe [grobe at gmx.net] Sent: 10 April 2015 10:10 To: Jon Hand Subject: Re: [esp-r] Outdated zone-files and missing constructions Hi Jon, thank you for your reply with all that information. I could finally understand what has happened (well, what I had done without knowing...). > One more issue: "I have a file .constrdb in my model directory, however I cannot select it from project managar (which allows me to choose only from ../)." > > The usual pattern is to place local .constrdb files in the model ../dbs folder. Does your model have a dbs folder? I have a simple model, with a flat structure where all files are in folder (all ./). > Try this - start the project manager from within the model cfg folder and see if you get an option to > identify the construction database file in the ../dbs folder. If all else fails you can use a text editor > to alter the line of the model cfg file which holds the name of the constructions database. I could load the constrdb-file, but it was empty. At that point I realized what happened. In the db maintenance menu, if I select the constructions db, there is a menu item "create new constructions". I must have clicked that, assuming that it would lead to a dialogue to create a new construction. Instead, what this does, is obviously creating a new (empty) constructions file, overwriting the existing one. I did not realize this immediately, as the information was still within the .con files of each zone. The problem showed up finally when I got the message indicating outdated file-formats, proposing to re-build the files from the constructions db - where these constructions did not exist any more. > What version of ESP-r are you using and on what kind of computer and operating system? I had initially set up the model on OS X using a version 11.11 from the repository. However, esp-r seams to be not really stable on the Mac at the moment (this would be another thread), so I continued working on a Linux installation (version 12.0). > So your model has surfaces with attributes of construction which are not > found in the current constructions database. Are these constructions that > you defined? Perhaps you need to use a different construction database? I had those constructions in the .constrdb-file. What I was wondering was, is there any way to write back information from the .con-files into an empty .constrdb-file? It seamed that most information was there, but I could not sync backwards from the .con-file to the database to restore what I had deleted. Related to this, I also found no way to move data between databases. E.g. I would like to import one construction from one construction database into my model construction database - is there any way to do so? For now, I redefined the constructions. The model is just a simple room, three wall-types, one floor, one roof, one window, one door. So not too much effort to solve the problem, however I wanted to learn from that. Cheers, Lars. From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Apr 10 12:13:40 2015 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 11:13:40 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: recovery options for when you overwrite files.... Message-ID: The comment..... I could load the constrdb-file, but it was empty. At that point I realized what happened. In the db maintenance menu, if I select the constructions db, there is a menu item "create new constructions". I must have clicked that, assuming that it would lead to a dialogue to create a new construction. Instead, what this does, is obviously creating a new (empty) constructions file, overwriting the existing one. I did not realize this immediately, as the information was still within the .con files of each zone. The problem showed up finally when I got the message indicating outdated file-formats, proposing to re-build the files from the constructions db - where these constructions did not exist any more. is a reminder to keep backup copies of your model as you progress so that if you overwrite something you have a chance to get it back. All operating systems provide options for creating archival files. On Windows there are zip files (typically right click on the folder) and on Linux OSX there is tar as well as gzip. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: Lars O. Grobe [grobe at gmx.net] Sent: 10 April 2015 10:10 To: Jon Hand Subject: Re: [esp-r] Outdated zone-files and missing constructions Hi Jon, thank you for your reply with all that information. I could finally understand what has happened (well, what I had done without knowing...). > One more issue: "I have a file .constrdb in my model directory, however I cannot select it from project managar (which allows me to choose only from ../)." > > The usual pattern is to place local .constrdb files in the model ../dbs folder. Does your model have a dbs folder? I have a simple model, with a flat structure where all files are in folder (all ./). > Try this - start the project manager from within the model cfg folder and see if you get an option to > identify the construction database file in the ../dbs folder. If all else fails you can use a text editor > to alter the line of the model cfg file which holds the name of the constructions database. I could load the constrdb-file, but it was empty. At that point I realized what happened. In the db maintenance menu, if I select the constructions db, there is a menu item "create new constructions". I must have clicked that, assuming that it would lead to a dialogue to create a new construction. Instead, what this does, is obviously creating a new (empty) constructions file, overwriting the existing one. I did not realize this immediately, as the information was still within the .con files of each zone. The problem showed up finally when I got the message indicating outdated file-formats, proposing to re-build the files from the constructions db - where these constructions did not exist any more. > What version of ESP-r are you using and on what kind of computer and operating system? I had initially set up the model on OS X using a version 11.11 from the repository. However, esp-r seams to be not really stable on the Mac at the moment (this would be another thread), so I continued working on a Linux installation (version 12.0). > So your model has surfaces with attributes of construction which are not > found in the current constructions database. Are these constructions that > you defined? Perhaps you need to use a different construction database? I had those constructions in the .constrdb-file. What I was wondering was, is there any way to write back information from the .con-files into an empty .constrdb-file? It seamed that most information was there, but I could not sync backwards from the .con-file to the database to restore what I had deleted. Related to this, I also found no way to move data between databases. E.g. I would like to import one construction from one construction database into my model construction database - is there any way to do so? For now, I redefined the constructions. The model is just a simple room, three wall-types, one floor, one roof, one window, one door. So not too much effort to solve the problem, however I wanted to learn from that. Cheers, Lars. From grobe at gmx.net Mon Apr 13 19:47:35 2015 From: grobe at gmx.net (Lars O. Grobe) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 21:47:35 +0300 Subject: [esp-r] advanced optics and BSDF in esp-r Message-ID: Hi all, being aware of the fact that one should not start with the most complicated aspects when working with a new simulation environment, I am wondering wether anyone could provide me with a documented example for the bidirectional transmission distribution format used by the advanced optics module in esp-r. Many thanks in advance and best regards, Lars. From francesco.frontini at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 08:05:20 2015 From: francesco.frontini at gmail.com (Francesco Frontini) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 09:05:20 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: advanced optics and BSDF in esp-r Message-ID: Dear Lars, Attached you can find some information concerning the bi-directional facilities of ESP-r. More information can be found in: F. Frontini, T.E. Kuhn, S. Herkel, P. Strachan, G. Kokogiannakis, Implementation of a new bi-directional solar modelling method for complex fa?ades within the ESP-r building simulation program and its application, Proceedings of the 11th International IBPSA Conference, 2009. Glasgow and Tilmann E. Kuhn, Sebastian Herkel, Francesco Frontini, Paul Strachan, Georgios Kokogiannakis, Solar control: A general method for modelling of solar gains through complex facades in building simulation programs, Energy and Buildings, Volume 43, Issue 1, January 2011, Pages 19-27, ISSN 0378-7788 Please let me know if you need further information. Best regards Francesco 2015-04-13 20:47 GMT+02:00 Lars O. Grobe : > Hi all, > > being aware of the fact that one should not start with the most > complicated aspects when working with a new simulation environment, I am > wondering wether anyone could provide me with a documented example for the > bidirectional transmission distribution format used by the advanced optics > module in esp-r. > > Many thanks in advance and best regards, > Lars. > > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20150414/0a372628/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20150414/d81a0414/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Apr 14 16:05:23 2015 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 15:05:23 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: esp-r installation In-Reply-To: <1959083147.2884221.1429016150388.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1959083147.2884221.1429016150388.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The group that maintains Ubuntu does not keep archives for older versions of Ubuntu and so apt-get requests do not get answered. I suggest you go for a newer Ubuntu - say 14.04 or the last LTS version. -Jon ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of G?l Nihal G???l [gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr] Sent: 14 April 2015 13:55 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] esp-r installation Hi, I am triny to install esp-r on Linux (I tried ubuntu 11.10, 12.04, 10.10). However I get error "E: Unable to locate package" when I run "apt-get install xfig". I also get this error when I run ""apt-get install build-essential " and others. If anyone have an idea to solve this problem I will be thankful. Best wishes Gul From iiwonkai at interia.pl Tue Apr 14 20:59:43 2015 From: iiwonkai at interia.pl (Silva) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 21:59:43 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] ground temperature Message-ID: Dear All, I have a problem with the introduction of ground temperature. What is the proper way to introduce/create own ground profile? Thank You very much for help, I.Silva From gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr Wed Apr 29 11:51:29 2015 From: gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr (=?UTF-8?Q?G=C3=BCl_Nihal_G=C3=BC=C4=9F=C3=BCl?=) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 10:51:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [esp-r] cellular_expl_sdhw Message-ID: <482498575.451523.1430304689145.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hi all,?I am working on cellular_expl_sdhw model. I sim?lated the model. However I have some questions if possible.?1- In result analysis modul How I can see the energy consumption of the model for hot water . I mean when thereis not enough sun for making hot water how the building makes hot water? with electricity or naturel gas?2- is this model makes hot water just for heating the office? isnt it make hot water for people to use? 3- if it makes hot water for people to use so how much kg the daily hot water used by people? Thank you so much for your time and helpBestGul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20150429/75587c03/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Apr 29 13:37:40 2015 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 12:37:40 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: cellular_expl_sdhw In-Reply-To: <482498575.451523.1430304689145.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <482498575.451523.1430304689145.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Some answers to your questions.... 1) the model has no back-up heating - it relies totally on solar gains. If you want the top of the tank to be maintained at a higher temperature you could use an ideal control law to inject heat into the top tank zone (sense the temperature in the top of the tank and actuate in that same zone). In the results analysis you could then see how much heat had to be added to maintain the temperatures. Assuming electrical resistance heating the reported heat injection value would be equal to the electrical power. 2) I did not include any description of using hot water for people. I have not tested if it is possible to get water from the tank. What temperature would the mains water arrive at?. 3) how much water would be required and when would it be required? ESP-r needs someone to define how much, what rate of flow in a schedule. Some tests would be needed. -Regards, Jon ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of G?l Nihal G???l [gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr] Sent: 29 April 2015 11:51 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] cellular_expl_sdhw Hi all, I am working on cellular_expl_sdhw model. I sim?lated the model. However I have some questions if possible. 1- In result analysis modul How I can see the energy consumption of the model for hot water . I mean when thereis not enough sun for making hot water how the building makes hot water? with electricity or naturel gas? 2- is this model makes hot water just for heating the office? isnt it make hot water for people to use? 3- if it makes hot water for people to use so how much kg the daily hot water used by people? Thank you so much for your time and help Best Gul From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Apr 30 13:20:29 2015 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 12:20:29 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: cellular_expl_sdhw In-Reply-To: <796246749.1730999.1430392982866.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: , <796246749.1730999.1430392982866.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, SDHW is often used for hot water used by people. The model implemented connects the solar collector to an accumulator tank. To test the system I pumped the water from the accumulator through wet central radiator zones to heat the zones if they were below a specific temperature. As the 'heat' is collected without any electricity or gas (I am ignoring the pump electrical) there is nothing to report for sensible heating load. One can ask for the temperature at different places in the solar collector (in the fluid, @ the air space above the panel, the walls of the case) and in the accumulator as well as in the radiators. The energy balance of the occupied zone should show considerable gains from warm surfaces (e.g. the radiator). In my tests there were many hours when the solar gains were not sufficient to warm the occupied rooms. If you wanted to ensure that the top zone of the accumulator was hot when there is not enough solar radiation you can modify the model to include an ideal heating controller sensing the temperature of the top of the accumulator and injecting heat into the accumulator top zone. Later tests could be done to create a boundary node representing the mains water to draw water from for use by people. -Jon ________________________________________ From: G?l Nihal G???l [gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr] Sent: 30 April 2015 12:23 To: Jon Hand; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: Yan: [esp-r] Re: cellular_expl_sdhw Hi Jon, Thank you for your reply. First of all when you mean SDHW (solar domestic hot water) I thought that you were talking about the hot water used by people in house. I thought that there is a solar panel on the roof of the house and it makes hot water to be used in bathroom and kitchen and when there is not enough solar radiation hot water is made by electric energy or a boiler using naturel gas. is it possible for me to convert this model into such a model? I simulated the model for february and listed the data of sensible heating load in result analysis modul. many of the zones heating load is zero but few zones have heating load in some hour. does it mean that the solar panel is not enough at that times to keep the zone at 22 oC? Thank you Best Gul 29 Nis 2015 15:37 ?ar?amba tarihinde Jon Hand ??yle yazd?: Some answers to your questions.... 1) the model has no back-up heating - it relies totally on solar gains. If you want the top of the tank to be maintained at a higher temperature you could use an ideal control law to inject heat into the top tank zone (sense the temperature in the top of the tank and actuate in that same zone). In the results analysis you could then see how much heat had to be added to maintain the temperatures. Assuming electrical resistance heating the reported heat injection value would be equal to the electrical power. 2) I did not include any description of using hot water for people. I have not tested if it is possible to get water from the tank. What temperature would the mains water arrive at?. 3) how much water would be required and when would it be required? ESP-r needs someone to define how much, what rate of flow in a schedule. Some tests would be needed. -Regards, Jon ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of G?l Nihal G???l [gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr] Sent: 29 April 2015 11:51 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] cellular_expl_sdhw Hi all, I am working on cellular_expl_sdhw model. I sim?lated the model. However I have some questions if possible. 1- In result analysis modul How I can see the energy consumption of the model for hot water . I mean when thereis not enough sun for making hot water how the building makes hot water? with electricity or naturel gas? 2- is this model makes hot water just for heating the office? isnt it make hot water for people to use? 3- if it makes hot water for people to use so how much kg the daily hot water used by people? Thank you so much for your time and help Best Gul _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr Thu Apr 30 12:23:02 2015 From: gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr (=?UTF-8?Q?G=C3=BCl_Nihal_G=C3=BC=C4=9F=C3=BCl?=) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 11:23:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [esp-r] Yan: Re: cellular_expl_sdhw In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <796246749.1730999.1430392982866.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Jon,?Thank you for your reply.?First of all when you mean SDHW (solar domestic hot water) I thought that you were talking about the hot water used by people in house. I thought that there is a solar panel on the roof of the house and it makes hot water to be used in bathroom and kitchen and when there is not enough solar radiation hot water is made by electric energy or a boiler using naturel gas. is it possible for me to convert this model into such a model? ?I simulated the model for february and listed the data of sensible heating load in result analysis modul. many of the zones heating load is zero but few zones have heating load in some hour. does it mean that the solar panel is not enough at that times to keep the zone at 22 oC??Thank you?BestGul????? 29 Nis 2015 15:37 ?ar?amba tarihinde Jon Hand ??yle yazd?: Some answers to your questions.... 1) the model has no back-up heating - it relies totally on solar gains. If you want the top of the tank to be maintained at a higher temperature you could use an ideal control law to inject heat into the top tank zone (sense the temperature in the top of the tank and actuate in that same zone).? In the results analysis you could then see how much heat had to be added to maintain the temperatures. Assuming electrical resistance heating the reported heat injection value would be equal to the electrical power. 2) I did not include any description of using hot water for people.? I have not tested if it is possible to get water from the tank.? What temperature would the mains water arrive at?. 3) how much water would be required and when would it be required?? ESP-r needs someone to define how much, what rate of flow in a schedule. Some tests would be needed. -Regards, Jon ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of G?l Nihal G???l [gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr] Sent: 29 April 2015 11:51 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r]? cellular_expl_sdhw Hi all, I am working on cellular_expl_sdhw model. I sim?lated the model. However I have some questions if possible. 1- In result analysis modul How I can see the energy consumption of the model for hot water . I mean when thereis not enough sun for making hot water how the building makes hot water? with electricity or naturel gas? 2- is this model makes hot water just for heating the office? isnt it make hot water for people to use? 3- if it makes hot water for people to use so how much kg the daily hot water used by people? Thank you so much for your time and help Best Gul _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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How are leakages distributed across the building envelope? What is the unexpectedness of your results? Best Achim > On 17 Jun 2015, at 17:35, Arianna Sdei wrote: > > Dear All, > > I am trying to increase the insulation and air tightness of a house to see the effects that these two parameters have on the heating and cooling loads. However, when I update the construction and network files and rerun the simulation I get some unespected results. The insulation and air tightness doesn't seem to make much difference. 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20150617/2e8cdb73/attachment.html From gianluca.brunetti at polimi.it Sun Jun 28 21:32:11 2015 From: gianluca.brunetti at polimi.it (Gian Luca Brunetti) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 22:32:11 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] program about reflections on obstructions Message-ID: <559059CB.2010303@polimi.it> Dear ESP-r users, I have written a program that modifies the diffuse shading factors in the ESP-r's ".shda" files to take into account the effect of the direct and indirect reflections on solar obstructions. I have uploaded the program, "modish.pl", on figshare: http://figshare.com/articles/modish_pl/1466767 . It is a Perl program operating through the shell. It modifies the shading factors on the basis of irradiance ratios derived from the irradiances obtained from (a) a fictitious model having black surfaces and unmodified obstructions and (b) a fictitious model having black surfaces and black obstructions. The irradiances are calculated through Radiance via e2r. The approach does not aim to be suitable for ordinary situations, but for situations in which the necessity of taking into account reflections from obstructions is very high, like when solar reflectors having high view factors of the given surfaces are in play in summer outside the thermal zones. It is at least an attempt. An explanation of how the program works is included in the comments at the beginning of it. I would be glad if somebody feeling like trying the program and comparing the results produced by ESP-r +modish.pl and, and, for instance, EnergyPlus in problems characterized by the presence of substantial reflectors sent me a feedback about his/her impressions as regards the viability of this approach. I have not tried yet. Thank you in advance for your attention. Best regards Gian Luca Brunetti -- Gian Luca Brunetti dr.arch. DAStU Politecnico di Milano via Bonardi 3 20133 Milano tel. (+39) 02 2399 5750 gianluca.brunetti at polimi.it From dimitrios.sfakianakis at strath.ac.uk Tue Jun 30 22:08:04 2015 From: dimitrios.sfakianakis at strath.ac.uk (Dimitrios Sfakianakis) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 21:08:04 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Chilled water storage tank Message-ID: <4388279F55D3434CACAFE7985985B3194FFC83C6@EX2010-MBX1.ds.strath.ac.uk> Dear list, Is anyone familiar with efforts to model a chilled water storage tank system in ESP-r and, ideally, its interaction with a chilled water system? Thanks! Kind regards, Dimitrios Sfakianakis MEng Dept. Naval Architecture, Ocean and Marine Engineering, University of Strathclyde e:dimitrios.sfakianakis at strath.ac.uk The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC015263. From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Wed Jul 1 07:14:14 2015 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 08:14:14 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Chilled water storage tank In-Reply-To: <4388279F55D3434CACAFE7985985B3194FFC83C6@EX2010-MBX1.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <4388279F55D3434CACAFE7985985B3194FFC83C6@EX2010-MBX1.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <000001d0b3c5$28c40a90$7a4c1fb0$@intergga.ch> Dear Dimitrios, have you tried using one of the available water storage tanks? I haven't tried it, but I would suspect that the tank models for hot water can basically be used with cold water, also. Or do you mean a phase change tank? That would be something else, of course. I am not aware of such a model in ESP-r Best Achim -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Dimitrios Sfakianakis Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. Juni 2015 23:08 An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: [esp-r] Chilled water storage tank Dear list, Is anyone familiar with efforts to model a chilled water storage tank system in ESP-r and, ideally, its interaction with a chilled water system? Thanks! Kind regards, Dimitrios Sfakianakis MEng Dept. Naval Architecture, Ocean and Marine Engineering, University of Strathclyde e:dimitrios.sfakianakis at strath.ac.uk The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC015263. _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From manzan at units.it Wed Jul 1 09:44:18 2015 From: manzan at units.it (Marco Manzan) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 10:44:18 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Chilled water storage tank In-Reply-To: <4388279F55D3434CACAFE7985985B3194FFC83C6@EX2010-MBX1.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <4388279F55D3434CACAFE7985985B3194FFC83C6@EX2010-MBX1.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <5189457.FTN6kfcomD@udine> dear Dimitros, there are a number of models in Esp-r, basically you could use the stratified tank models, basically there are three of them, one without internal exchangers, one with one exchanger and the last with two internal heat exchangers. I extensively used the models for hot water, but they can be used without problems with chilled water since the model deals with thermal stratification. Marco In data marted? 30 giugno 2015 21:08:04, Dimitrios Sfakianakis ha scritto: > Dear list, > > Is anyone familiar with efforts to model a chilled water storage tank system in ESP-r and, ideally, its interaction with a chilled water system? > > Thanks! > > Kind regards, > > Dimitrios Sfakianakis MEng > Dept. Naval Architecture, Ocean and Marine Engineering, University of Strathclyde > e:dimitrios.sfakianakis at strath.ac.uk > The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC015263. > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria e Architettura | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| From A.Sdei2 at brighton.ac.uk Thu Jul 2 15:08:37 2015 From: A.Sdei2 at brighton.ac.uk (Arianna Sdei) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 14:08:37 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] sed Message-ID: Dear All, have you used sed to modify construction files via scripting? I am having troubles when I modify construction files to see the effects of increased external insulation. I am not 100% sure that ESP-r is actually recognizing the changes I make and I don't trust 100% the results I get at the moment. I would like to try sed to make sure that my results are rigorous, let me know if you can help. Thank you, regards. Arianna ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ ___________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Now, the sequence (e.g. in a bash shell script which runs your model), the lines # Change construction file to CON new_bath_con=?*con ../zones/bath_${CON}.con # construction" new_bed1_con=?*con ../zones/bedroom1_${CON}.con # construction" cp ${VAR}.cfg temp.cfg sed 's%.*con ../zones/bath_.*%'"${new_bath_con}?'% s%.*con ../zones/bedroom1_.*%'"${new_bed1_con}?'%' temp.cfg > ${VAR}.cfg rm temp.cfg should replace the existing con file entries (for bath and bedroom1) in .cfg by the new ones ?bath_${CON}.con? and ?bedroom1_${CON}" in the file ${VAR}.cfg (I haven?t tried this exact example, but other similar ones). The ?$? stuff are variables in loops inside your bash script. Basically, you would need to pre-define your various .con files, e.g. by numbering them like bath_1.con, bedroom1_1.con and so on (and the initial .cfg would need to have entries of this type!). Via a list CONLIST=?1 2 3? and the loop foreach CON in $CONLIST do << here the sed changing is done >> << here you call bps and do your simulation >> done you can run through a series of simulations. I expect many people would prefer using python or perl for this. And, as written before, you of course always have the option of managing a row of models - probably quicker first time round, but in the long run vastly less elegant and also a lot more prone to errors in my experience. Of course, it would be easier if the switching of constructions and other files etc. were reliable when running ESP-r in text mode from a script which I have also found not to be the case (which originally lead me down the above described road). Best Achim > On 02 Jul 2015, at 16:08, Arianna Sdei wrote: > > Dear All, > > have you used sed to modify construction files via scripting? I am having troubles when I modify construction files to see the effects of increased external insulation. I am not 100% sure that ESP-r is actually recognizing the changes I make and I don't trust 100% the results I get at the moment. I would like to try sed to make sure that my results are rigorous, let me know if you can help. > > Thank you, > regards. > Arianna > > ___________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security > System on behalf of the University of Brighton. > For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ > ___________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20150702/52625cc0/attachment.html From gianluca.brunetti at polimi.it Thu Jul 2 21:23:54 2015 From: gianluca.brunetti at polimi.it (Gian Luca Brunetti) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 22:23:54 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: sed In-Reply-To: <5601BF9E-FF18-4280-B1FE-2D0736C6A243@intergga.ch> References: <5601BF9E-FF18-4280-B1FE-2D0736C6A243@intergga.ch> Message-ID: <55959DDA.1030200@polimi.it> Dear Achim and Arianna and list, one consideration about the reliability of ESP-r for batch scripting. I think that it is more rock-solid when ESP-r is compiled for text mode and not compiled for graphics (then launched with the -text mode option). I don't know were the difference lies. I have noticed that the two behaviours are not identical. Best regards Gian Luca Brunetti On 02/07/2015 20:14, Achim Geissler wrote: > Dear Arianna, > > as I was the one to give you this idea, I guess I will have to give > some pointers. But keep in mind that this must be considered a hack > and you will likely need to learn a bit about writing shell scripts. > You can find ample information and coding examples for sed and bash > scripts in the internet. > > You have zones named ?bath", ?bedroom1", ?entrance" and so on. > Correspondingly, you have entries in the .cfg file of the type > > *con ../zones/bath.con > ? > *con ../zones/bedroom1.con > > and so on. Now, the sequence (e.g. in a bash shell script which runs > your model), the lines > > # Change construction file to CON > new_bath_con=?*con ../zones/bath_${CON}.con # construction" > new_bed1_con=?*con ../zones/bedroom1_${CON}.con # construction" > cp ${VAR}.cfg temp.cfg > sed 's%.*con ../zones/bath_.*%'"${new_bath_con}?'% > s%.*con ../zones/bedroom1_.*%'"${new_bed1_con}?'%' temp.cfg > > ${VAR}.cfg > rm temp.cfg > > should replace the existing con file entries (for bath and bedroom1) > in .cfg by the new ones ?bath_${CON}.con? and ?bedroom1_${CON}" in the > file ${VAR}.cfg (I haven?t tried this exact example, but other similar > ones). The ?$? stuff are variables in loops inside your bash script. > Basically, you would need to pre-define your various .con files, e.g. > by numbering them like bath_1.con, bedroom1_1.con and so on (and the > initial .cfg would need to have entries of this type!). Via a list > > CONLIST=?1 2 3? > > and the loop > > foreach CON in $CONLIST > do > > << here the sed changing is done >> > > << here you call bps and do your simulation >> > > done > > you can run through a series of simulations. I expect many people > would prefer using python or perl for this. > > And, as written before, you of course always have the option of > managing a row of models - probably quicker first time round, but in > the long run vastly less elegant and also a lot more prone to errors > in my experience. Of course, it would be easier if the switching of > constructions and other files etc. were reliable when running ESP-r in > text mode from a script which I have also found not to be the case > (which originally lead me down the above described road). > > Best > Achim > > > >> On 02 Jul 2015, at 16:08, Arianna Sdei > > wrote: >> >> Dear All, >> >> have you used sed to modify construction files via scripting? I am >> having troubles when I modify construction files to see the effects >> of increased external insulation. I am not 100% sure that ESP-r is >> actually recognizing the changes I make and I don't trust 100% the >> results I get at the moment. I would like to try sed to make sure >> that my results are rigorous, let me know if you can help. >> >> Thank you, >> regards. >> Arianna >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security >> System on behalf of the University of Brighton. >> For more information seehttp://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ >> ___________________________________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> esp-r mailing list >> esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > achim.geissler at intergga.ch > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -- Gian Luca Brunetti dr.arch. DAStU Politecnico di Milano via Bonardi 3 20133 Milano tel. (+39) 02 2399 5750 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20150702/26e1ad7c/attachment-0001.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Jul 3 06:42:07 2015 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 05:42:07 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: sed In-Reply-To: <55959DDA.1030200@polimi.it> References: <5601BF9E-FF18-4280-B1FE-2D0736C6A243@intergga.ch>, <55959DDA.1030200@polimi.it> Message-ID: One approach.... Create alternate named constructions. Then use prj's search and replace facility to replace construction A with construction B. To check, generate a model contents report and see the differences. -jon hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Gian Luca Brunetti [gianluca.brunetti at polimi.it] Sent: 02 July 2015 21:23 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: sed Dear Achim and Arianna and list, one consideration about the reliability of ESP-r for batch scripting. I think that it is more rock-solid when ESP-r is compiled for text mode and not compiled for graphics (then launched with the -text mode option). I don't know were the difference lies. I have noticed that the two behaviours are not identical. Best regards Gian Luca Brunetti On 02/07/2015 20:14, Achim Geissler wrote: Dear Arianna, as I was the one to give you this idea, I guess I will have to give some pointers. But keep in mind that this must be considered a hack and you will likely need to learn a bit about writing shell scripts. You can find ample information and coding examples for sed and bash scripts in the internet. You have zones named ?bath", ?bedroom1", ?entrance" and so on. Correspondingly, you have entries in the .cfg file of the type *con ../zones/bath.con ? *con ../zones/bedroom1.con and so on. Now, the sequence (e.g. in a bash shell script which runs your model), the lines # Change construction file to CON new_bath_con=?*con ../zones/bath_${CON}.con # construction" new_bed1_con=?*con ../zones/bedroom1_${CON}.con # construction" cp ${VAR}.cfg temp.cfg sed 's%.*con ../zones/bath_.*%'"${new_bath_con}?'% s%.*con ../zones/bedroom1_.*%'"${new_bed1_con}?'%' temp.cfg > ${VAR}.cfg rm temp.cfg should replace the existing con file entries (for bath and bedroom1) in .cfg by the new ones ?bath_${CON}.con? and ?bedroom1_${CON}" in the file ${VAR}.cfg (I haven?t tried this exact example, but other similar ones). The ?$? stuff are variables in loops inside your bash script. Basically, you would need to pre-define your various .con files, e.g. by numbering them like bath_1.con, bedroom1_1.con and so on (and the initial .cfg would need to have entries of this type!). Via a list CONLIST=?1 2 3? and the loop foreach CON in $CONLIST do << here the sed changing is done >> << here you call bps and do your simulation >> done you can run through a series of simulations. I expect many people would prefer using python or perl for this. And, as written before, you of course always have the option of managing a row of models - probably quicker first time round, but in the long run vastly less elegant and also a lot more prone to errors in my experience. Of course, it would be easier if the switching of constructions and other files etc. were reliable when running ESP-r in text mode from a script which I have also found not to be the case (which originally lead me down the above described road). Best Achim On 02 Jul 2015, at 16:08, Arianna Sdei <A.Sdei2 at brighton.ac.uk> wrote: Dear All, have you used sed to modify construction files via scripting? I am having troubles when I modify construction files to see the effects of increased external insulation. I am not 100% sure that ESP-r is actually recognizing the changes I make and I don't trust 100% the results I get at the moment. I would like to try sed to make sure that my results are rigorous, let me know if you can help. Thank you, regards. Arianna ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ ___________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -- Gian Luca Brunetti dr.arch. DAStU Politecnico di Milano via Bonardi 3 20133 Milano tel. (+39) 02 2399 5750 From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Fri Jul 3 07:42:46 2015 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 08:42:46 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: sed In-Reply-To: References: <5601BF9E-FF18-4280-B1FE-2D0736C6A243@intergga.ch>, <55959DDA.1030200@polimi.it> Message-ID: <003701d0b55b$78fca8e0$6af5faa0$@intergga.ch> Hi Jon, of course that would be the ideal solution (and was the one chosen initially, as far as I understood) - the problem seems to be that this does not work via running ESP-r in script (text) mode. Some years ago I had the same problem. @Gian Luca: That sounds like a good trick to try! Best Achim -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Jon Hand Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Juli 2015 07:42 An: gianluca.brunetti at polimi.it; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: [esp-r] Re: sed One approach.... Create alternate named constructions. Then use prj's search and replace facility to replace construction A with construction B. To check, generate a model contents report and see the differences. -jon hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Gian Luca Brunetti [gianluca.brunetti at polimi.it] Sent: 02 July 2015 21:23 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: sed Dear Achim and Arianna and list, one consideration about the reliability of ESP-r for batch scripting. I think that it is more rock-solid when ESP-r is compiled for text mode and not compiled for graphics (then launched with the -text mode option). I don't know were the difference lies. I have noticed that the two behaviours are not identical. Best regards Gian Luca Brunetti On 02/07/2015 20:14, Achim Geissler wrote: Dear Arianna, as I was the one to give you this idea, I guess I will have to give some pointers. But keep in mind that this must be considered a hack and you will likely need to learn a bit about writing shell scripts. You can find ample information and coding examples for sed and bash scripts in the internet. You have zones named ?bath", ?bedroom1", ?entrance" and so on. Correspondingly, you have entries in the .cfg file of the type *con ../zones/bath.con *con ../zones/bedroom1.con and so on. Now, the sequence (e.g. in a bash shell script which runs your model), the lines # Change construction file to CON new_bath_con=?*con ../zones/bath_${CON}.con # construction" new_bed1_con=?*con ../zones/bedroom1_${CON}.con # construction" cp ${VAR}.cfg temp.cfg sed 's%.*con ../zones/bath_.*%'"${new_bath_con}?'% s%.*con ../zones/bedroom1_.*%'"${new_bed1_con}?'%' temp.cfg > ${VAR}.cfg rm temp.cfg should replace the existing con file entries (for bath and bedroom1) in .cfg by the new ones ?bath_${CON}.con? and ?bedroom1_${CON}" in the file ${VAR}.cfg (I haven?t tried this exact example, but other similar ones). The ?$? stuff are variables in loops inside your bash script. Basically, you would need to pre-define your various .con files, e.g. by numbering them like bath_1.con, bedroom1_1.con and so on (and the initial .cfg would need to have entries of this type!). Via a list CONLIST=?1 2 3? and the loop foreach CON in $CONLIST do << here the sed changing is done >> << here you call bps and do your simulation >> done you can run through a series of simulations. I expect many people would prefer using python or perl for this. And, as written before, you of course always have the option of managing a row of models - probably quicker first time round, but in the long run vastly less elegant and also a lot more prone to errors in my experience. Of course, it would be easier if the switching of constructions and other files etc. were reliable when running ESP-r in text mode from a script which I have also found not to be the case (which originally lead me down the above described road). Best Achim On 02 Jul 2015, at 16:08, Arianna Sdei <A.Sdei2 at brighton.ac.uk> wrote: Dear All, have you used sed to modify construction files via scripting? I am having troubles when I modify construction files to see the effects of increased external insulation. I am not 100% sure that ESP-r is actually recognizing the changes I make and I don't trust 100% the results I get at the moment. I would like to try sed to make sure that my results are rigorous, let me know if you can help. Thank you, regards. Arianna ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ ___________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -- Gian Luca Brunetti dr.arch. DAStU Politecnico di Milano via Bonardi 3 20133 Milano tel. (+39) 02 2399 5750 _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From gianluca.brunetti at polimi.it Fri Jul 3 09:52:16 2015 From: gianluca.brunetti at polimi.it (Gian Luca Brunetti) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 10:52:16 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: sed In-Reply-To: <003701d0b55b$78fca8e0$6af5faa0$@intergga.ch> References: <5601BF9E-FF18-4280-B1FE-2D0736C6A243@intergga.ch> <55959DDA.1030200@polimi.it> <003701d0b55b$78fca8e0$6af5faa0$@intergga.ch> Message-ID: <55964D40.3010205@polimi.it> A very interesting approach indeed. I must try it. Another solution would be to loop through construction letters and/or thicknesses in the construction database made local. The drawback would be that to check what has been done a print of the shell to a file should be inspected. The following example is in Perl, but the substance would be almost identical in many languages. Best regards Gian Luca !#/usr/bin/perl my @thicknesses = ( 0.15, 0.20, 0.25 ); # Put here your thicknesses my $entry = "a"; # Put here the letter of the construction to be changed my $layer = "a"; # Put here the letter of the layer to be changed my $your_path_to_config = "./myfolder/cfg/myconfigfile.cfg"; # Put here the path to your model configuration file foreach my $thickness ( @thicknesses ) { `prj -file $your_path_to_config -mode text< Hi Jon, > > of course that would be the ideal solution (and was the one chosen > initially, as far as I understood) - the problem seems to be that this does > not work via running ESP-r in script (text) mode. Some years ago I had the > same problem. > > @Gian Luca: That sounds like a good trick to try! > > Best > Achim > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Jon Hand > Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Juli 2015 07:42 > An: gianluca.brunetti at polimi.it; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Betreff: [esp-r] Re: sed > > One approach.... > Create alternate named constructions. Then use prj's search and replace > facility to replace construction A with construction B. To check, generate a > model contents report and see the differences. > -jon hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on > behalf of Gian Luca Brunetti [gianluca.brunetti at polimi.it] > Sent: 02 July 2015 21:23 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Re: sed > > Dear Achim and Arianna and list, > one consideration about the reliability of ESP-r for batch scripting. I > think that it is more rock-solid when ESP-r is compiled for text mode and > not compiled for graphics (then launched with the -text mode option). I > don't know were the difference lies. I have noticed that the two behaviours > are not identical. > > Best regards > > Gian Luca Brunetti > > > > > On 02/07/2015 20:14, Achim Geissler wrote: > Dear Arianna, > > as I was the one to give you this idea, I guess I will have to give some > pointers. But keep in mind that this must be considered a hack and you will > likely need to learn a bit about writing shell scripts. You can find ample > information and coding examples for sed and bash scripts in the internet. > > You have zones named "bath", "bedroom1", "entrance" and so on. > Correspondingly, you have entries in the .cfg file of the type > > *con ../zones/bath.con > . > *con ../zones/bedroom1.con > > and so on. Now, the sequence (e.g. in a bash shell script which runs your > model), the lines > > # Change construction file to CON > new_bath_con="*con ../zones/bath_${CON}.con # construction" > new_bed1_con="*con ../zones/bedroom1_${CON}.con # construction" > cp ${VAR}.cfg temp.cfg > sed 's%.*con ../zones/bath_.*%'"${new_bath_con}"'% > s%.*con ../zones/bedroom1_.*%'"${new_bed1_con}"'%' temp.cfg > > ${VAR}.cfg > rm temp.cfg > > should replace the existing con file entries (for bath and bedroom1) in .cfg > by the new ones "bath_${CON}.con" and "bedroom1_${CON}" in the file > ${VAR}.cfg (I haven't tried this exact example, but other similar ones). The > "$" stuff are variables in loops inside your bash script. Basically, you > would need to pre-define your various .con files, e.g. by numbering them > like bath_1.con, bedroom1_1.con and so on (and the initial .cfg would need > to have entries of this type!). Via a list > > CONLIST="1 2 3" > > and the loop > > foreach CON in $CONLIST > do > > << here the sed changing is done >> > > << here you call bps and do your simulation >> > > done > > you can run through a series of simulations. I expect many people would > prefer using python or perl for this. > > And, as written before, you of course always have the option of managing a > row of models - probably quicker first time round, but in the long run > vastly less elegant and also a lot more prone to errors in my experience. Of > course, it would be easier if the switching of constructions and other files > etc. were reliable when running ESP-r in text mode from a script which I > have also found not to be the case (which originally lead me down the above > described road). > > Best > Achim > > > > On 02 Jul 2015, at 16:08, Arianna Sdei > <A.Sdei2 at brighton.ac.uk on.ac.uk>> wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > have you used sed to modify construction files via scripting? I am having > troubles when I modify construction files to see the effects of increased > external insulation. I am not 100% sure that ESP-r is actually recognizing > the changes I make and I don't trust 100% the results I get at the moment. I > would like to try sed to make sure that my results are rigorous, let me know > if you can help. > > > > Thank you, > regards. > Arianna > > ___________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf > of the University of Brighton. > For more information see > http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ > ___________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > achim.geissler at intergga.ch > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > > > -- > Gian Luca Brunetti > dr.arch. > DAStU > Politecnico di Milano > via Bonardi 3 > 20133 Milano > tel. (+39) 02 2399 5750 > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > . > -- Gian Luca Brunetti dr.arch. DAStU Politecnico di Milano via Bonardi 3 20133 Milano tel. (+39) 02 2399 5750 From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Fri Jul 3 10:38:35 2015 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 11:38:35 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: sed In-Reply-To: <55964D40.3010205@polimi.it> References: <5601BF9E-FF18-4280-B1FE-2D0736C6A243@intergga.ch> <55959DDA.1030200@polimi.it> <003701d0b55b$78fca8e0$6af5faa0$@intergga.ch> <55964D40.3010205@polimi.it> Message-ID: <000a01d0b574$08536020$18fa2060$@intergga.ch> ... when running models via script, I always generate a "contents" QA report directly prior to running the simulation - at least the constructions used can then easily be checked. Sadly, some features of ESP-r (e.g. special materials, CFCs) are not reported on in the QA report. Best Achim -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Gian Luca Brunetti Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Juli 2015 10:52 An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: [esp-r] Re: sed A very interesting approach indeed. I must try it. Another solution would be to loop through construction letters and/or thicknesses in the construction database made local. The drawback would be that to check what has been done a print of the shell to a file should be inspected. The following example is in Perl, but the substance would be almost identical in many languages. Best regards Gian Luca !#/usr/bin/perl my @thicknesses = ( 0.15, 0.20, 0.25 ); # Put here your thicknesses my $entry = "a"; # Put here the letter of the construction to be changed my $layer = "a"; # Put here the letter of the layer to be changed my $your_path_to_config = "./myfolder/cfg/myconfigfile.cfg"; # Put here the path to your model configuration file foreach my $thickness ( @thicknesses ) { `prj -file $your_path_to_config -mode text< Hi Jon, > > of course that would be the ideal solution (and was the one chosen > initially, as far as I understood) - the problem seems to be that this > does not work via running ESP-r in script (text) mode. Some years ago > I had the same problem. > > @Gian Luca: That sounds like a good trick to try! > > Best > Achim > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Jon Hand > Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Juli 2015 07:42 > An: gianluca.brunetti at polimi.it; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Betreff: [esp-r] Re: sed > > One approach.... > Create alternate named constructions. Then use prj's search and > replace facility to replace construction A with construction B. To > check, generate a model contents report and see the differences. > -jon hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Gian Luca Brunetti > [gianluca.brunetti at polimi.it] > Sent: 02 July 2015 21:23 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Re: sed > > Dear Achim and Arianna and list, > one consideration about the reliability of ESP-r for batch scripting. > I think that it is more rock-solid when ESP-r is compiled for text > mode and not compiled for graphics (then launched with the -text mode > option). I don't know were the difference lies. I have noticed that > the two behaviours are not identical. > > Best regards > > Gian Luca Brunetti > > > > > On 02/07/2015 20:14, Achim Geissler wrote: > Dear Arianna, > > as I was the one to give you this idea, I guess I will have to give > some pointers. But keep in mind that this must be considered a hack > and you will likely need to learn a bit about writing shell scripts. > You can find ample information and coding examples for sed and bash scripts in the internet. > > You have zones named "bath", "bedroom1", "entrance" and so on. > Correspondingly, you have entries in the .cfg file of the type > > *con ../zones/bath.con > . > *con ../zones/bedroom1.con > > and so on. Now, the sequence (e.g. in a bash shell script which runs > your model), the lines > > # Change construction file to CON > new_bath_con="*con ../zones/bath_${CON}.con # construction" > new_bed1_con="*con ../zones/bedroom1_${CON}.con # construction" > cp ${VAR}.cfg temp.cfg > sed 's%.*con ../zones/bath_.*%'"${new_bath_con}"'% > s%.*con ../zones/bedroom1_.*%'"${new_bed1_con}"'%' > temp.cfg > ${VAR}.cfg > rm temp.cfg > > should replace the existing con file entries (for bath and bedroom1) > in .cfg by the new ones "bath_${CON}.con" and "bedroom1_${CON}" in the > file ${VAR}.cfg (I haven't tried this exact example, but other similar > ones). The "$" stuff are variables in loops inside your bash script. > Basically, you would need to pre-define your various .con files, e.g. > by numbering them like bath_1.con, bedroom1_1.con and so on (and the > initial .cfg would need to have entries of this type!). Via a list > > CONLIST="1 2 3" > > and the loop > > foreach CON in $CONLIST > do > > << here the sed changing is done >> > > << here you call bps and do your simulation >> > > done > > you can run through a series of simulations. I expect many people > would prefer using python or perl for this. > > And, as written before, you of course always have the option of > managing a row of models - probably quicker first time round, but in > the long run vastly less elegant and also a lot more prone to errors > in my experience. Of course, it would be easier if the switching of > constructions and other files etc. were reliable when running ESP-r in > text mode from a script which I have also found not to be the case > (which originally lead me down the above described road). > > Best > Achim > > > > On 02 Jul 2015, at 16:08, Arianna Sdei > <A.Sdei2 at brighton.ac.uk bright > on.ac.uk>> wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > have you used sed to modify construction files via scripting? I am > having troubles when I modify construction files to see the effects of > increased external insulation. I am not 100% sure that ESP-r is > actually recognizing the changes I make and I don't trust 100% the > results I get at the moment. I would like to try sed to make sure that > my results are rigorous, let me know if you can help. > > > > Thank you, > regards. > Arianna > > ___________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on > behalf of the University of Brighton. > For more information see > http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ > ___________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > achim.geissler at intergga.ch > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > > > -- > Gian Luca Brunetti > dr.arch. > DAStU > Politecnico di Milano > via Bonardi 3 > 20133 Milano > tel. (+39) 02 2399 5750 > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > . > -- Gian Luca Brunetti dr.arch. DAStU Politecnico di Milano via Bonardi 3 20133 Milano tel. (+39) 02 2399 5750 _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From manzan at units.it Fri Jul 3 13:23:38 2015 From: manzan at units.it (Marco Manzan) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 14:23:38 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: sed In-Reply-To: <55964D40.3010205@polimi.it> References: <003701d0b55b$78fca8e0$6af5faa0$@intergga.ch> <55964D40.3010205@polimi.it> Message-ID: <2486700.JGtqU905fs@udine> dear Arianna I strongly believe that any changes has to be made using the esp-r interface, this is the only way to assure the consistency of the model, changes made directly on the model files are very dangerous, for example changing a local construction database doesn't work if the model is not updated to expand the changes to the construction files . I extensively use esp-r for optimization and I always use the text interface using shell scripts very similar to the perl proposed by Gian Luca, this avoids forgetting some important steps, for example change an obstructions without computing shading database with ish. Fortunately nearly all aspects of the model can be modified using the text interface. The drawback of the approach is that the sequence must be carefully checked, a misalignment in some position of the script can lead to unpredictable results. Marco Manzan In data venerd? 3 luglio 2015 10:52:16, Gian Luca Brunetti ha scritto: > A very interesting approach indeed. I must try it. > > Another solution would be to loop through construction letters and/or > thicknesses in the construction database made local. > > The drawback would be that to check what has been done a print of the > shell to a file should be inspected. > > The following example is in Perl, but the substance would be almost > identical in many languages. > > Best regards > > Gian Luca > > > !#/usr/bin/perl > my @thicknesses = ( 0.15, 0.20, 0.25 ); # Put here your thicknesses > my $entry = "a"; # Put here the letter of the construction to be changed > my $layer = "a"; # Put here the letter of the layer to be changed > my $your_path_to_config = "./myfolder/cfg/myconfigfile.cfg"; # Put here > the path to your model configuration file > > foreach my $thickness ( @thicknesses ) > { > `prj -file $your_path_to_config -mode text< b > e > a > $entry > $layer > n > $thickness > - > - > y > y > - > y > y > - > - > - > - > - > YYY > `; > } > > > On 03/07/2015 08:42, Achim Geissler wrote: > > Hi Jon, > > > > of course that would be the ideal solution (and was the one chosen > > initially, as far as I understood) - the problem seems to be that this does > > not work via running ESP-r in script (text) mode. Some years ago I had the > > same problem. > > > > @Gian Luca: That sounds like a good trick to try! > > > > Best > > Achim > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > > [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Jon Hand > > Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Juli 2015 07:42 > > An: gianluca.brunetti at polimi.it; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > Betreff: [esp-r] Re: sed > > > > One approach.... > > Create alternate named constructions. Then use prj's search and replace > > facility to replace construction A with construction B. To check, generate a > > model contents report and see the differences. > > -jon hand > > ________________________________________ > > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on > > behalf of Gian Luca Brunetti [gianluca.brunetti at polimi.it] > > Sent: 02 July 2015 21:23 > > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > Subject: [esp-r] Re: sed > > > > Dear Achim and Arianna and list, > > one consideration about the reliability of ESP-r for batch scripting. I > > think that it is more rock-solid when ESP-r is compiled for text mode and > > not compiled for graphics (then launched with the -text mode option). I > > don't know were the difference lies. I have noticed that the two behaviours > > are not identical. > > > > Best regards > > > > Gian Luca Brunetti > > > > > > > > > > On 02/07/2015 20:14, Achim Geissler wrote: > > Dear Arianna, > > > > as I was the one to give you this idea, I guess I will have to give some > > pointers. But keep in mind that this must be considered a hack and you will > > likely need to learn a bit about writing shell scripts. You can find ample > > information and coding examples for sed and bash scripts in the internet. > > > > You have zones named "bath", "bedroom1", "entrance" and so on. > > Correspondingly, you have entries in the .cfg file of the type > > > > *con ../zones/bath.con > > . > > *con ../zones/bedroom1.con > > > > and so on. Now, the sequence (e.g. in a bash shell script which runs your > > model), the lines > > > > # Change construction file to CON > > new_bath_con="*con ../zones/bath_${CON}.con # construction" > > new_bed1_con="*con ../zones/bedroom1_${CON}.con # construction" > > cp ${VAR}.cfg temp.cfg > > sed 's%.*con ../zones/bath_.*%'"${new_bath_con}"'% > > s%.*con ../zones/bedroom1_.*%'"${new_bed1_con}"'%' temp.cfg > > > ${VAR}.cfg > > rm temp.cfg > > > > should replace the existing con file entries (for bath and bedroom1) in .cfg > > by the new ones "bath_${CON}.con" and "bedroom1_${CON}" in the file > > ${VAR}.cfg (I haven't tried this exact example, but other similar ones). The > > "$" stuff are variables in loops inside your bash script. Basically, you > > would need to pre-define your various .con files, e.g. by numbering them > > like bath_1.con, bedroom1_1.con and so on (and the initial .cfg would need > > to have entries of this type!). Via a list > > > > CONLIST="1 2 3" > > > > and the loop > > > > foreach CON in $CONLIST > > do > > > > << here the sed changing is done >> > > > > << here you call bps and do your simulation >> > > > > done > > > > you can run through a series of simulations. I expect many people would > > prefer using python or perl for this. > > > > And, as written before, you of course always have the option of managing a > > row of models - probably quicker first time round, but in the long run > > vastly less elegant and also a lot more prone to errors in my experience. Of > > course, it would be easier if the switching of constructions and other files > > etc. were reliable when running ESP-r in text mode from a script which I > > have also found not to be the case (which originally lead me down the above > > described road). > > > > Best > > Achim > > > > > > > > On 02 Jul 2015, at 16:08, Arianna Sdei > > <A.Sdei2 at brighton.ac.uk > on.ac.uk>> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > have you used sed to modify construction files via scripting? I am having > > troubles when I modify construction files to see the effects of increased > > external insulation. I am not 100% sure that ESP-r is actually recognizing > > the changes I make and I don't trust 100% the results I get at the moment. I > > would like to try sed to make sure that my results are rigorous, let me know > > if you can help. > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > regards. > > Arianna > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf > > of the University of Brighton. > > For more information see > > http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ > > ___________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > esp-r mailing list > > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > > > achim.geissler at intergga.ch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > esp-r mailing list > > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > > > > > > > -- > > Gian Luca Brunetti > > dr.arch. > > DAStU > > Politecnico di Milano > > via Bonardi 3 > > 20133 Milano > > tel. (+39) 02 2399 5750 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > esp-r mailing list > > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > esp-r mailing list > > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > . > > > > > -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria e Architettura | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| From dimitrios.sfakianakis at strath.ac.uk Thu Jul 16 22:15:23 2015 From: dimitrios.sfakianakis at strath.ac.uk (Dimitrios Sfakianakis) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 21:15:23 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: esp-r Digest, Vol 107, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4388279F55D3434CACAFE7985985B3194FFCC57A@EX2010-MBX1.ds.strath.ac.uk> Achim and Marco, thank you for your responses. Do you know if there is guide or information on how to setup a liquid flow network in ESP-r? Achim, at some point, I might considering modeling an Ice Storage tank, which is based on phase change of water. As I understand this is not something ESP-r can currently address right? Jim ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk] Sent: 01 July 2015 17:30 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: esp-r Digest, Vol 107, Issue 1 Send esp-r mailing list submissions to esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk You can reach the person managing the list at esp-r-owner at lists.strath.ac.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of esp-r digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Chilled water storage tank (Dimitrios Sfakianakis) 2. Re: Chilled water storage tank (Achim Geissler) 3. Re: Chilled water storage tank (Marco Manzan) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 21:08:04 +0000 From: Dimitrios Sfakianakis Subject: [esp-r] Chilled water storage tank To: "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" Message-ID: <4388279F55D3434CACAFE7985985B3194FFC83C6 at EX2010-MBX1.ds.strath.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear list, Is anyone familiar with efforts to model a chilled water storage tank system in ESP-r and, ideally, its interaction with a chilled water system? Thanks! Kind regards, Dimitrios Sfakianakis MEng Dept. Naval Architecture, Ocean and Marine Engineering, University of Strathclyde e:dimitrios.sfakianakis at strath.ac.uk The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC015263. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 08:14:14 +0200 From: "Achim Geissler" Subject: [esp-r] Re: Chilled water storage tank To: Message-ID: <000001d0b3c5$28c40a90$7a4c1fb0$@intergga.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear Dimitrios, have you tried using one of the available water storage tanks? I haven't tried it, but I would suspect that the tank models for hot water can basically be used with cold water, also. Or do you mean a phase change tank? That would be something else, of course. I am not aware of such a model in ESP-r Best Achim -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Dimitrios Sfakianakis Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. Juni 2015 23:08 An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: [esp-r] Chilled water storage tank Dear list, Is anyone familiar with efforts to model a chilled water storage tank system in ESP-r and, ideally, its interaction with a chilled water system? Thanks! Kind regards, Dimitrios Sfakianakis MEng Dept. Naval Architecture, Ocean and Marine Engineering, University of Strathclyde e:dimitrios.sfakianakis at strath.ac.uk The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC015263. _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 10:44:18 +0200 From: Marco Manzan Subject: [esp-r] Re: Chilled water storage tank To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Message-ID: <5189457.FTN6kfcomD at udine> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" dear Dimitros, there are a number of models in Esp-r, basically you could use the stratified tank models, basically there are three of them, one without internal exchangers, one with one exchanger and the last with two internal heat exchangers. I extensively used the models for hot water, but they can be used without problems with chilled water since the model deals with thermal stratification. Marco In data marted? 30 giugno 2015 21:08:04, Dimitrios Sfakianakis ha scritto: > Dear list, > > Is anyone familiar with efforts to model a chilled water storage tank system in ESP-r and, ideally, its interaction with a chilled water system? > > Thanks! > > Kind regards, > > Dimitrios Sfakianakis MEng > Dept. Naval Architecture, Ocean and Marine Engineering, University of Strathclyde > e:dimitrios.sfakianakis at strath.ac.uk > The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC015263. > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria e Architettura | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r End of esp-r Digest, Vol 107, Issue 1 ************************************* From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Fri Jul 17 07:35:29 2015 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 08:35:29 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Chilled water storage tank Message-ID: <000001d0c05a$c782c490$56884db0$@intergga.ch> Dear Jim, to answer your second question first, I am not aware of a phase change tank in ESP-r. There are models for PCM materials in general (typically plaster board embedded types) and there is a "surface evaporation" model available. Both as "special materials". If you set up a plant including water tanks you have a kind of "liquid network". I have never superimposed an actual additional water flow network (question: to what end?), but would expect it basically is done like an air flow network. There is quite a bit of information on air flow networks in "The Cookbook" (by Jon Hand), available at ESRU for download. Best Achim -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Dimitrios Sfakianakis Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Juli 2015 23:15 An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: [esp-r] Re: esp-r Digest, Vol 107, Issue 1 Achim and Marco, thank you for your responses. Do you know if there is guide or information on how to setup a liquid flow network in ESP-r? Achim, at some point, I might considering modeling an Ice Storage tank, which is based on phase change of water. As I understand this is not something ESP-r can currently address right? Jim ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk] Sent: 01 July 2015 17:30 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: esp-r Digest, Vol 107, Issue 1 Send esp-r mailing list submissions to esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk You can reach the person managing the list at esp-r-owner at lists.strath.ac.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of esp-r digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Chilled water storage tank (Dimitrios Sfakianakis) 2. Re: Chilled water storage tank (Achim Geissler) 3. Re: Chilled water storage tank (Marco Manzan) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 21:08:04 +0000 From: Dimitrios Sfakianakis Subject: [esp-r] Chilled water storage tank To: "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" Message-ID: <4388279F55D3434CACAFE7985985B3194FFC83C6 at EX2010-MBX1.ds.strath.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear list, Is anyone familiar with efforts to model a chilled water storage tank system in ESP-r and, ideally, its interaction with a chilled water system? Thanks! Kind regards, Dimitrios Sfakianakis MEng Dept. Naval Architecture, Ocean and Marine Engineering, University of Strathclyde e:dimitrios.sfakianakis at strath.ac.uk The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC015263. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 08:14:14 +0200 From: "Achim Geissler" Subject: [esp-r] Re: Chilled water storage tank To: Message-ID: <000001d0b3c5$28c40a90$7a4c1fb0$@intergga.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear Dimitrios, have you tried using one of the available water storage tanks? I haven't tried it, but I would suspect that the tank models for hot water can basically be used with cold water, also. Or do you mean a phase change tank? That would be something else, of course. I am not aware of such a model in ESP-r Best Achim -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Dimitrios Sfakianakis Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. Juni 2015 23:08 An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: [esp-r] Chilled water storage tank Dear list, Is anyone familiar with efforts to model a chilled water storage tank system in ESP-r and, ideally, its interaction with a chilled water system? Thanks! Kind regards, Dimitrios Sfakianakis MEng Dept. Naval Architecture, Ocean and Marine Engineering, University of Strathclyde e:dimitrios.sfakianakis at strath.ac.uk The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC015263. _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 10:44:18 +0200 From: Marco Manzan Subject: [esp-r] Re: Chilled water storage tank To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Message-ID: <5189457.FTN6kfcomD at udine> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" dear Dimitros, there are a number of models in Esp-r, basically you could use the stratified tank models, basically there are three of them, one without internal exchangers, one with one exchanger and the last with two internal heat exchangers. I extensively used the models for hot water, but they can be used without problems with chilled water since the model deals with thermal stratification. Marco In data marted? 30 giugno 2015 21:08:04, Dimitrios Sfakianakis ha scritto: > Dear list, > > Is anyone familiar with efforts to model a chilled water storage tank system in ESP-r and, ideally, its interaction with a chilled water system? > > Thanks! > > Kind regards, > > Dimitrios Sfakianakis MEng > Dept. Naval Architecture, Ocean and Marine Engineering, University of > Strathclyde e:dimitrios.sfakianakis at strath.ac.uk > The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC015263. > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria e Architettura | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r End of esp-r Digest, Vol 107, Issue 1 ************************************* _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From manzan at units.it Fri Jul 17 08:02:31 2015 From: manzan at units.it (Marco Manzan) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 09:02:31 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Chilled water storage tank In-Reply-To: <000001d0c05a$c782c490$56884db0$@intergga.ch> References: <000001d0c05a$c782c490$56884db0$@intergga.ch> Message-ID: <1658363.7ltM8rblvR@udine> dear Jim and Achim, I developed a pcm enhanced storage tank, but it features vertical cylinders filled with PCM designed for heating and DHW production. The model was present in the old Roberta_Padovan branch, however I think the model is not suited for ice storage, because usually the ice develop inside the tank, not in separate immersed modules, and ice layers grow around heat transfer coils. Marco Manzan In data venerd? 17 luglio 2015 08:35:29, Achim Geissler ha scritto: > Dear Jim, > > to answer your second question first, I am not aware of a phase change tank > in ESP-r. There are models for PCM materials in general (typically plaster > board embedded types) and there is a "surface evaporation" model available. > Both as "special materials". > > If you set up a plant including water tanks you have a kind of "liquid > network". I have never superimposed an actual additional water flow network > (question: to what end?), but would expect it basically is done like an air > flow network. There is quite a bit of information on air flow networks in > "The Cookbook" (by Jon Hand), available at ESRU for download. > > Best > Achim > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Dimitrios > Sfakianakis > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Juli 2015 23:15 > An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Betreff: [esp-r] Re: esp-r Digest, Vol 107, Issue 1 > > Achim and Marco, thank you for your responses. > > Do you know if there is guide or information on how to setup a liquid flow > network in ESP-r? > > Achim, at some point, I might considering modeling an Ice Storage tank, > which is based on phase change of water. As I understand this is not > something ESP-r can currently address right? > > Jim > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on > behalf of esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk > [esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk] > Sent: 01 July 2015 17:30 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: esp-r Digest, Vol 107, Issue 1 > > Send esp-r mailing list submissions to > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk > > You can reach the person managing the list at > esp-r-owner at lists.strath.ac.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of esp-r digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Chilled water storage tank (Dimitrios Sfakianakis) > 2. Re: Chilled water storage tank (Achim Geissler) > 3. Re: Chilled water storage tank (Marco Manzan) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 21:08:04 +0000 > From: Dimitrios Sfakianakis > Subject: [esp-r] Chilled water storage tank > To: "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" > Message-ID: > > <4388279F55D3434CACAFE7985985B3194FFC83C6 at EX2010-MBX1.ds.strath.ac.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear list, > > Is anyone familiar with efforts to model a chilled water storage tank system > in ESP-r and, ideally, its interaction with a chilled water system? > > Thanks! > > Kind regards, > > Dimitrios Sfakianakis MEng > Dept. Naval Architecture, Ocean and Marine Engineering, University of > Strathclyde e:dimitrios.sfakianakis at strath.ac.uk > The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, > with registration number SC015263. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 08:14:14 +0200 > From: "Achim Geissler" > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Chilled water storage tank > To: > Message-ID: <000001d0b3c5$28c40a90$7a4c1fb0$@intergga.ch> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear Dimitrios, > > have you tried using one of the available water storage tanks? I haven't > tried it, but I would suspect that the tank models for hot water can > basically be used with cold water, also. Or do you mean a phase change tank? > That would be something else, of course. I am not aware of such a model in > ESP-r > > Best > Achim > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Dimitrios > Sfakianakis > Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. Juni 2015 23:08 > An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Betreff: [esp-r] Chilled water storage tank > > Dear list, > > Is anyone familiar with efforts to model a chilled water storage tank system > in ESP-r and, ideally, its interaction with a chilled water system? > > Thanks! > > Kind regards, > > Dimitrios Sfakianakis MEng > Dept. Naval Architecture, Ocean and Marine Engineering, University of > Strathclyde e:dimitrios.sfakianakis at strath.ac.uk > The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, > with registration number SC015263. > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 10:44:18 +0200 > From: Marco Manzan > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Chilled water storage tank > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Message-ID: <5189457.FTN6kfcomD at udine> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > dear Dimitros, > > there are a number of models in Esp-r, basically you could use the > stratified tank models, basically there are three of them, one without > internal exchangers, one with one exchanger and the last with two internal > heat exchangers. I extensively used the models for hot water, but they can > be used without problems with chilled water since the model deals with > thermal stratification. > > Marco > > In data marted? 30 giugno 2015 21:08:04, Dimitrios Sfakianakis ha scritto: > > Dear list, > > > > Is anyone familiar with efforts to model a chilled water storage tank > system in ESP-r and, ideally, its interaction with a chilled water system? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Dimitrios Sfakianakis MEng > > Dept. Naval Architecture, Ocean and Marine Engineering, University of > > Strathclyde e:dimitrios.sfakianakis at strath.ac.uk > > The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC015263. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > esp-r mailing list > > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | > |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | > |Dipartimento di Ingegneria e Architettura | > |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | > |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | > |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > End of esp-r Digest, Vol 107, Issue 1 > ************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria e Architettura | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Jul 17 12:19:10 2015 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 11:19:10 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Chilled water storage tank - water flow networks Message-ID: I have been experimenting with water filled zones tied into a flow network to represent a multi-zone heat accumulator as well as water filled solar collector. I have also used water filled zones to represent components in a wet central heating system and used a flow network to link these together. The nice thing about this is that you can explicitly define the characteristics of the lagging on the pipes and tanks, you get explicit radiation and convection and the mass effects of the components are included. Only tweaks required are to ensure that high heat transfers are set at the surfaces associated with the water filled zones and setting a short building-side timestep - say 1-2 minutes. Most of the required facilities are in the most recent version of ESP-r and some enhancements and exemplars should be going into the repository in the near-rearm. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Achim Geissler [achim.geissler at intergga.ch] Sent: 17 July 2015 07:35 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Chilled water storage tank Dear Jim, to answer your second question first, I am not aware of a phase change tank in ESP-r. There are models for PCM materials in general (typically plaster board embedded types) and there is a "surface evaporation" model available. Both as "special materials". If you set up a plant including water tanks you have a kind of "liquid network". I have never superimposed an actual additional water flow network (question: to what end?), but would expect it basically is done like an air flow network. There is quite a bit of information on air flow networks in "The Cookbook" (by Jon Hand), available at ESRU for download. Best Achim -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Dimitrios Sfakianakis Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Juli 2015 23:15 An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: [esp-r] Re: esp-r Digest, Vol 107, Issue 1 Achim and Marco, thank you for your responses. Do you know if there is guide or information on how to setup a liquid flow network in ESP-r? Achim, at some point, I might considering modeling an Ice Storage tank, which is based on phase change of water. As I understand this is not something ESP-r can currently address right? Jim ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk] Sent: 01 July 2015 17:30 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: esp-r Digest, Vol 107, Issue 1 Send esp-r mailing list submissions to esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk You can reach the person managing the list at esp-r-owner at lists.strath.ac.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of esp-r digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Chilled water storage tank (Dimitrios Sfakianakis) 2. Re: Chilled water storage tank (Achim Geissler) 3. Re: Chilled water storage tank (Marco Manzan) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 21:08:04 +0000 From: Dimitrios Sfakianakis Subject: [esp-r] Chilled water storage tank To: "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" Message-ID: <4388279F55D3434CACAFE7985985B3194FFC83C6 at EX2010-MBX1.ds.strath.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear list, Is anyone familiar with efforts to model a chilled water storage tank system in ESP-r and, ideally, its interaction with a chilled water system? Thanks! Kind regards, Dimitrios Sfakianakis MEng Dept. Naval Architecture, Ocean and Marine Engineering, University of Strathclyde e:dimitrios.sfakianakis at strath.ac.uk The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC015263. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 08:14:14 +0200 From: "Achim Geissler" Subject: [esp-r] Re: Chilled water storage tank To: Message-ID: <000001d0b3c5$28c40a90$7a4c1fb0$@intergga.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear Dimitrios, have you tried using one of the available water storage tanks? I haven't tried it, but I would suspect that the tank models for hot water can basically be used with cold water, also. Or do you mean a phase change tank? That would be something else, of course. I am not aware of such a model in ESP-r Best Achim -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Dimitrios Sfakianakis Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. Juni 2015 23:08 An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: [esp-r] Chilled water storage tank Dear list, Is anyone familiar with efforts to model a chilled water storage tank system in ESP-r and, ideally, its interaction with a chilled water system? Thanks! Kind regards, Dimitrios Sfakianakis MEng Dept. Naval Architecture, Ocean and Marine Engineering, University of Strathclyde e:dimitrios.sfakianakis at strath.ac.uk The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC015263. _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 10:44:18 +0200 From: Marco Manzan Subject: [esp-r] Re: Chilled water storage tank To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Message-ID: <5189457.FTN6kfcomD at udine> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" dear Dimitros, there are a number of models in Esp-r, basically you could use the stratified tank models, basically there are three of them, one without internal exchangers, one with one exchanger and the last with two internal heat exchangers. I extensively used the models for hot water, but they can be used without problems with chilled water since the model deals with thermal stratification. Marco In data marted? 30 giugno 2015 21:08:04, Dimitrios Sfakianakis ha scritto: > Dear list, > > Is anyone familiar with efforts to model a chilled water storage tank system in ESP-r and, ideally, its interaction with a chilled water system? > > Thanks! > > Kind regards, > > Dimitrios Sfakianakis MEng > Dept. Naval Architecture, Ocean and Marine Engineering, University of > Strathclyde e:dimitrios.sfakianakis at strath.ac.uk > The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC015263. > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria e Architettura | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r End of esp-r Digest, Vol 107, Issue 1 ************************************* _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From A.Sdei2 at brighton.ac.uk Wed Aug 19 11:24:53 2015 From: A.Sdei2 at brighton.ac.uk (Arianna Sdei) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:24:53 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] simulation Message-ID: Dear All, I am running a simulation for the month of July and I set up the dates from the 1st to the 31st in the simulation presets, however when I plot the indoor temperauture in the results and analysis, a few days seem to be missing, exactly 5. 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20150819/5ea03942/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Aug 19 12:04:51 2015 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 11:04:51 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: simulation period Message-ID: Some additional information would be useful: a) are the 5 days missing at the start or the end of July? b) when the res application starts it usually says what period it has information for - is that all of July of a period not including the full month? c) how many startup days are there in the simulation presets - if 5 that might be a clue. d) how did you actually start the bps module - via command line lets say the preset was named july then the command might be something like bps -file file.cfg -p july interactive - via the project manager - in which case in the simulation menu did you first select the preset that you wanted to use prior to asking for an assessment? Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Arianna Sdei [A.Sdei2 at brighton.ac.uk] Sent: 19 August 2015 11:24 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] simulation Dear All, I am running a simulation for the month of July and I set up the dates from the 1st to the 31st in the simulation presets, however when I plot the indoor temperauture in the results and analysis, a few days seem to be missing, exactly 5. Do you have any idea of what is going on? Thank you, regards. Arianna ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ ___________________________________________________________ From A.Sdei2 at brighton.ac.uk Wed Aug 19 14:20:04 2015 From: A.Sdei2 at brighton.ac.uk (Arianna Sdei) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 13:20:04 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: simulation period In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: the days missing are at the end of July, the start up period is 1 day. when the res starts it sais that it has information from 1-7 to 31-7. I start the simulation from simulation controller in the project manager and I select the preset for July. Arianna ________________________________________ From: Jon Hand [jon at esru.strath.ac.uk] Sent: 19 August 2015 12:04 To: Arianna Sdei; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: simulation period Some additional information would be useful: a) are the 5 days missing at the start or the end of July? b) when the res application starts it usually says what period it has information for - is that all of July of a period not including the full month? c) how many startup days are there in the simulation presets - if 5 that might be a clue. d) how did you actually start the bps module - via command line lets say the preset was named july then the command might be something like bps -file file.cfg -p july interactive - via the project manager - in which case in the simulation menu did you first select the preset that you wanted to use prior to asking for an assessment? Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Arianna Sdei [A.Sdei2 at brighton.ac.uk] Sent: 19 August 2015 11:24 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] simulation Dear All, I am running a simulation for the month of July and I set up the dates from the 1st to the 31st in the simulation presets, however when I plot the indoor temperauture in the results and analysis, a few days seem to be missing, exactly 5. Do you have any idea of what is going on? Thank you, regards. Arianna ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20150903/c8b460b4/attachment.html From cheard at prodigy.net.mx Fri Oct 2 10:05:51 2015 From: cheard at prodigy.net.mx (Christopher Heard) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 04:05:51 -0500 Subject: [esp-r] Xquartz & Yosemite upgrade Message-ID: I am getting "(:1255): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: /private/tmp/com.apple.launchd.8WOUyrAS8s/org.macosforge.xquartz:0? when typing ?prj? I have reinstalled Xquartz as suggested by Jon Hand - no luck - ideas? Christopher Heard From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Fri Oct 2 18:58:40 2015 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 19:58:40 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Xquartz & Yosemite upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Christopher, from what did you upgrade? Did you recompile after a make clean? I?m afraid, though, that I never use the Gtk-version, only X11 (for which Xquartz is definitely necessary). Best Achim > On 02 Oct 2015, at 11:05, Christopher Heard wrote: > > I am getting "(:1255): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: /private/tmp/com.apple.launchd.8WOUyrAS8s/org.macosforge.xquartz:0? when typing ?prj? > > I have reinstalled Xquartz as suggested by Jon Hand - no luck - ideas? > > Christopher Heard > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch From cheard at prodigy.net.mx Sat Oct 3 18:04:17 2015 From: cheard at prodigy.net.mx (Christopher Heard) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 12:04:17 -0500 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Xquartz & Yosemite upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8030D280-4967-4077-9605-8239D07DD0D5@prodigy.net.mx> I upgraded the operating system from Mavericks to Yosemite No I didn?t recompile or update anything else. I didn[t compile in the first place - just installed a precompiled version. Since I also have an X11 version and that runs - it?s not urgent and I will get around to learning how to compile it. Christopher Heard > On 3 Oct 2015, at 11:30, esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk wrote: > > Send esp-r mailing list submissions to > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk > > You can reach the person managing the list at > esp-r-owner at lists.strath.ac.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of esp-r digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Xquartz & Yosemite upgrade (Achim Geissler) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 19:58:40 +0200 > From: Achim Geissler > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Xquartz & Yosemite upgrade > To: "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi Christopher, > > from what did you upgrade? Did you recompile after a make clean? I?m afraid, though, that I never use the Gtk-version, only X11 (for which Xquartz is definitely necessary). > > Best > Achim > > >> On 02 Oct 2015, at 11:05, Christopher Heard wrote: >> >> I am getting "(:1255): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: /private/tmp/com.apple.launchd.8WOUyrAS8s/org.macosforge.xquartz:0? when typing ?prj? >> >> I have reinstalled Xquartz as suggested by Jon Hand - no luck - ideas? >> >> Christopher Heard >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> esp-r mailing list >> esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > achim.geissler at intergga.ch > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > End of esp-r Digest, Vol 110, Issue 2 > ************************************* From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Sat Oct 3 19:06:00 2015 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 20:06:00 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Xquartz & Yosemite upgrade In-Reply-To: <8030D280-4967-4077-9605-8239D07DD0D5@prodigy.net.mx> References: <8030D280-4967-4077-9605-8239D07DD0D5@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <14DED27D-4742-4453-8E0F-E14C2CDC0196@intergga.ch> Ah, O.K. The next question then is probably if after upgrading to Yosemite, all the Gtk-Stuff was updated / re-installed? Possibly it is not an issue with the ESP-r binaries, but with the Gtk-Installation which to my knowledge is not standard for OS X. It could of course be an issue of both binaries. Best Achim > On 03 Oct 2015, at 19:04, Christopher Heard wrote: > > I upgraded the operating system from Mavericks to Yosemite > > No I didn?t recompile or update anything else. > > I didn[t compile in the first place - just installed a precompiled version. > > Since I also have an X11 version and that runs - it?s not urgent and I will get around to learning how to compile it. > > Christopher Heard > > >> On 3 Oct 2015, at 11:30, esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk wrote: >> >> Send esp-r mailing list submissions to >> esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> esp-r-owner at lists.strath.ac.uk >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of esp-r digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Xquartz & Yosemite upgrade (Achim Geissler) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 19:58:40 +0200 >> From: Achim Geissler >> Subject: [esp-r] Re: Xquartz & Yosemite upgrade >> To: "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club" >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Hi Christopher, >> >> from what did you upgrade? Did you recompile after a make clean? I?m afraid, though, that I never use the Gtk-version, only X11 (for which Xquartz is definitely necessary). >> >> Best >> Achim >> >> >>> On 02 Oct 2015, at 11:05, Christopher Heard wrote: >>> >>> I am getting "(:1255): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: /private/tmp/com.apple.launchd.8WOUyrAS8s/org.macosforge.xquartz:0? when typing ?prj? >>> >>> I have reinstalled Xquartz as suggested by Jon Hand - no luck - ideas? >>> >>> Christopher Heard >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> esp-r mailing list >>> esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >>> http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r >> >> achim.geissler at intergga.ch >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> esp-r mailing list >> esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r >> >> End of esp-r Digest, Vol 110, Issue 2 >> ************************************* > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 07:40:46 2015 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 06:40:46 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Xquartz & Yosemite upgrade In-Reply-To: <14DED27D-4742-4453-8E0F-E14C2CDC0196@intergga.ch> References: <8030D280-4967-4077-9605-8239D07DD0D5@prodigy.net.mx>, <14DED27D-4742-4453-8E0F-E14C2CDC0196@intergga.ch> Message-ID: Going through a upgrade of operating system could change many of the dependencies of existing ESP-r executables. This is an example of what might happen. A quicker fix (on OSX a fresh compile of ESP-r probably would take about 10-12 minutes) would be to compile from source. Getting the distribution from github into a folder named ESP-rCentral is a short command sequence: git clone --recurse-submodules https://github.com/ESP-rCommunity/ESP-rSource.git ESP-rCentral If you have the GCC compiler set from the MacPorts project the compilers would likely be in /opt/local/bin and there might be several versions so you should include the --compiler_version command line option you give to the Install script. Details can be found in the doc/manual/OS/Apple folder of the distribution. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Achim Geissler [achim.geissler at intergga.ch] Sent: 03 October 2015 19:06 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club Subject: [esp-r] Re: Xquartz & Yosemite upgrade Ah, O.K. The next question then is probably if after upgrading to Yosemite, all the Gtk-Stuff was updated / re-installed? Possibly it is not an issue with the ESP-r binaries, but with the Gtk-Installation which to my knowledge is not standard for OS X. It could of course be an issue of both binaries. Best Achim > On 03 Oct 2015, at 19:04, Christopher Heard wrote: > > I upgraded the operating system from Mavericks to Yosemite > > No I didn?t recompile or update anything else. > > I didn[t compile in the first place - just installed a precompiled version. > > Since I also have an X11 version and that runs - it?s not urgent and I will get around to learning how to compile it. > > Christopher Heard > > >> On 3 Oct 2015, at 11:30, esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk wrote: >> >> Send esp-r mailing list submissions to >> esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> esp-r-owner at lists.strath.ac.uk >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of esp-r digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Xquartz & Yosemite upgrade (Achim Geissler) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 19:58:40 +0200 >> From: Achim Geissler >> Subject: [esp-r] Re: Xquartz & Yosemite upgrade >> To: "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club" >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Hi Christopher, >> >> from what did you upgrade? Did you recompile after a make clean? I?m afraid, though, that I never use the Gtk-version, only X11 (for which Xquartz is definitely necessary). >> >> Best >> Achim >> >> >>> On 02 Oct 2015, at 11:05, Christopher Heard wrote: >>> >>> I am getting "(:1255): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: /private/tmp/com.apple.launchd.8WOUyrAS8s/org.macosforge.xquartz:0? when typing ?prj? >>> >>> I have reinstalled Xquartz as suggested by Jon Hand - no luck - ideas? >>> >>> Christopher Heard >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> esp-r mailing list >>> esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >>> http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r >> >> achim.geissler at intergga.ch >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> esp-r mailing list >> esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r >> >> End of esp-r Digest, Vol 110, Issue 2 >> ************************************* > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From nguyenminhthach2271989 at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 13:12:59 2015 From: nguyenminhthach2271989 at gmail.com (Minh Thach Nguyen) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 22:12:59 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] Old Esp-r Message-ID: I want to create Radiance file by Esp-r but i could not do make by Esp-r 12.12 . So , please send to me old version of Esp-r to me . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20151105/7257099c/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Nov 5 13:35:26 2015 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 13:35:26 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Old Esp-r In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Need more information to clarify 'please send to me old version of ESP-r'. The github repository is just about to be updated with a new version with lots of improvements to the interactions with Radiance. I would wait a few days for that to be in place and take the source from there. And clarify 'do make by ESP-r 12.12'. In what way was radiance model not created? -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Minh Thach Nguyen [nguyenminhthach2271989 at gmail.com] Sent: 05 November 2015 13:12 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Old Esp-r I want to create Radiance file by Esp-r but i could not do make by Esp-r 12.12 . So , please send to me old version of Esp-r to me . From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Nov 6 16:44:26 2015 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 16:44:26 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Old Esp-r - and relationship between ESP-r and Radiance Message-ID: Clarification of the relationship between ESP-r and Radiance The Linux and OSX implementations of ESP-r can export models to Radiance. This involves starting up a number of radiance applications (there are dozens of the beasties). For Windows - well as far a I know Radiance does not work in the same way in terms of building all of the tools that ESP-r expects to find. There is an installer for Radiance on Windows, however this might not include the full set of executables (like the display tools) and it has not been tested. If you want to use ESP-r and Radiance together I would suggest Linux or OSX as platforms. And it might be that someone in the community knows how to get the Windows version of Radiance to work with the native Windows version of ESP-r. That would be good to know! Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: Minh Thach Nguyen [nguyenminhthach2271989 at gmail.com] Sent: 05 November 2015 16:51 To: Jon Hand Subject: Re: [esp-r] Old Esp-r Thank you for writing my messenger . This is my old version of ESP-r.? [https://ssl.gstatic.com/docs/doclist/images/icon_10_generic_list.png] ESP-r_setup_native_windows_w7_v12_2a.exe[X] ?Please help me . Thank you very much . 2015-11-05 22:35 GMT+09:00 Jon Hand >: Need more information to clarify 'please send to me old version of ESP-r'. The github repository is just about to be updated with a new version with lots of improvements to the interactions with Radiance. I would wait a few days for that to be in place and take the source from there. And clarify 'do make by ESP-r 12.12'. In what way was radiance model not created? -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Minh Thach Nguyen [nguyenminhthach2271989 at gmail.com] Sent: 05 November 2015 13:12 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Old Esp-r I want to create Radiance file by Esp-r but i could not do make by Esp-r 12.12 . So , please send to me old version of Esp-r to me . From dsfakianakis at gmail.com Mon Nov 9 16:24:52 2015 From: dsfakianakis at gmail.com (Dimitris "Jim" Sfakianakis) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 10:24:52 -0600 Subject: [esp-r] Automatic rounding of decimal points Message-ID: Dear list, I recently introduced an MSc student to ESP-r. She is using the Windows 12.2 version. Her problem is that whenever she defines an arithmetic with a decimal point, ESP-r automatically disregards the decimal and saves the number as an integer. e.g. 2.7 becomes 2. She is Greek and she is using a Greek version of windows, and I mention that because the default decimal separator is comma ',' and not period '.'. We tried using both when defining numbers with decimal points but the problem did not go away. Any thoughts? Thanks! Kind regards, Dimitris t: +1 (949) 202 - 8053 e: dsfakianakis at gmail.com [image: My Linkedin profile] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My recent experience with students is that either a Cygwin installation or a dual boot Linux installation was basically manageable by the students (one, each, only, though, so no large statistic). Being able to compile the code does make life easier, in my experience. Best Achim > On 09 Nov 2015, at 17:24, Dimitris Jim Sfakianakis wrote: > > Dear list, > > I recently introduced an MSc student to ESP-r. She is using the Windows 12.2 version. Her problem is that whenever she defines an arithmetic with a decimal point, ESP-r automatically disregards the decimal and saves the number as an integer. > > e.g. 2.7 becomes 2. > > She is Greek and she is using a Greek version of windows, and I mention that because the default decimal separator is comma ',' and not period '.'. We tried using both when defining numbers with decimal points but the problem did not go away. > > Any thoughts? > > Thanks! > > Kind regards, > > Dimitris > > t: +1 (949) 202 - 8053 > e: dsfakianakis at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20151109/ae2759bf/attachment.html From Iain.Macdonald at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca Mon Nov 9 19:30:15 2015 From: Iain.Macdonald at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca (Macdonald, Iain) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 14:30:15 -0500 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Old Esp-r - and relationship between ESP-r and Radiance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I've just been fighting with this very issue! Here's what I've got working: 1) Radiance can be downloaded from github. I tried to compile it from source and that would not work for me. Download from https://github.com/NREL/Radiance/releases which has the installers. 2) Internally e2r (the ESP-r radiance module) converts all paths to windows style (back slash folder separator). I'm working on Windows/MSYS setup which when running the system command will execute the unix commands used by e2r with cmd.exe which treats all the back slashes as escape characters. In other words they don't work! 3) Changing the above issues and where commands are chained using ";" to "&&" gets e2r working and I'm calculating daylight factors. My code is a mess just now but once I finalise the changes that need to be made and figure out how to upload the code it will be there for everyone. One question for the group - when we talk about running on windows do we mean pure 100% windows or the Windows/MSYS combo? Iain -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jon Hand Sent: November-06-15 11:44 AM To: Minh Thach Nguyen; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Old Esp-r - and relationship between ESP-r and Radiance Clarification of the relationship between ESP-r and Radiance The Linux and OSX implementations of ESP-r can export models to Radiance. This involves starting up a number of radiance applications (there are dozens of the beasties). For Windows - well as far a I know Radiance does not work in the same way in terms of building all of the tools that ESP-r expects to find. There is an installer for Radiance on Windows, however this might not include the full set of executables (like the display tools) and it has not been tested. If you want to use ESP-r and Radiance together I would suggest Linux or OSX as platforms. And it might be that someone in the community knows how to get the Windows version of Radiance to work with the native Windows version of ESP-r. That would be good to know! Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: Minh Thach Nguyen [nguyenminhthach2271989 at gmail.com] Sent: 05 November 2015 16:51 To: Jon Hand Subject: Re: [esp-r] Old Esp-r Thank you for writing my messenger . This is my old version of ESP-r.? [https://ssl.gstatic.com/docs/doclist/images/icon_10_generic_list.png] ESP-r_setup_native_windows_w7_v12_2a.exe[X] ?Please help me . Thank you very much . 2015-11-05 22:35 GMT+09:00 Jon Hand >: Need more information to clarify 'please send to me old version of ESP-r'. The github repository is just about to be updated with a new version with lots of improvements to the interactions with Radiance. I would wait a few days for that to be in place and take the source from there. And clarify 'do make by ESP-r 12.12'. In what way was radiance model not created? -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Minh Thach Nguyen [nguyenminhthach2271989 at gmail.com] Sent: 05 November 2015 13:12 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Old Esp-r I want to create Radiance file by Esp-r but i could not do make by Esp-r 12.12 . So , please send to me old version of Esp-r to me . _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From dsfakianakis at gmail.com Mon Nov 9 22:27:20 2015 From: dsfakianakis at gmail.com (Dimitris "Jim" Sfakianakis) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 16:27:20 -0600 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Automatic rounding of decimal points In-Reply-To: <11a43f14993545caa9d8a536f54a074f@fili.ad.uow.edu.au> References: <11a43f14993545caa9d8a536f54a074f@fili.ad.uow.edu.au> Message-ID: George and Achim, Thanks! It was that setting in the region and language settings. Achim, I agree that compiling the source code in a UNIX environment is the best way to use ESP-r, however, when I recommend ESP-r to someone I prefer to start with the windows version because compiling the source code can be a very overwhelming experience with a very steep learning curve just to be able to use the tool! Kind regards, Dimitris t: +1 (949) 202 - 8053 e: dsfakianakis at gmail.com [image: My Linkedin profile] On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Georgios Kokogiannakis wrote: > Hi Dimitris, > > > > There are some old posts on this. The solution is somewhere in the control > panel. In my case: click region and languages-> under formats click > ?Additional settings? and then change the decimal symbol to ?.? > > > > > > Best regards, > > Georgios > > > > *From:* esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto: > esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Dimitris "Jim" > Sfakianakis > *Sent:* Tuesday, 10 November 2015 2:55 AM > *To:* esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > *Subject:* [esp-r] Automatic rounding of decimal points > > > > Dear list, > > > > I recently introduced an MSc student to ESP-r. She is using the Windows > 12.2 version. Her problem is that whenever she defines an arithmetic with a > decimal point, ESP-r automatically disregards the decimal and saves the > number as an integer. > > > > e.g. 2.7 becomes 2. > > > > She is Greek and she is using a Greek version of windows, and I mention > that because the default decimal separator is comma ',' and not period '.'. > We tried using both when defining numbers with decimal points but the > problem did not go away. > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > Thanks! > > > Kind regards, > > > > Dimitris > > > > t: +1 (949) 202 - 8053 > > e: dsfakianakis at gmail.com > > > > [image: Image removed by sender. My Linkedin profile] > [image: Image removed by > sender.] > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20151109/854d36c4/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ~WRD000.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 823 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20151109/854d36c4/attachment.jpg From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Nov 10 10:07:27 2015 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:07:27 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Old Esp-r - and relationship between ESP-r and Radiance In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: This is good news. I would be happy to have a look at the cleaned up source code. I am used to the process of getting source into the repository. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: Macdonald, Iain [Iain.Macdonald at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca] Sent: 09 November 2015 19:30 To: Jon Hand; Minh Thach Nguyen; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: [esp-r] Re: Old Esp-r - and relationship between ESP-r and Radiance Hi, I've just been fighting with this very issue! Here's what I've got working: 1) Radiance can be downloaded from github. I tried to compile it from source and that would not work for me. Download from https://github.com/NREL/Radiance/releases which has the installers. 2) Internally e2r (the ESP-r radiance module) converts all paths to windows style (back slash folder separator). I'm working on Windows/MSYS setup which when running the system command will execute the unix commands used by e2r with cmd.exe which treats all the back slashes as escape characters. In other words they don't work! 3) Changing the above issues and where commands are chained using ";" to "&&" gets e2r working and I'm calculating daylight factors. My code is a mess just now but once I finalise the changes that need to be made and figure out how to upload the code it will be there for everyone. One question for the group - when we talk about running on windows do we mean pure 100% windows or the Windows/MSYS combo? Iain -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jon Hand Sent: November-06-15 11:44 AM To: Minh Thach Nguyen; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Old Esp-r - and relationship between ESP-r and Radiance Clarification of the relationship between ESP-r and Radiance The Linux and OSX implementations of ESP-r can export models to Radiance. This involves starting up a number of radiance applications (there are dozens of the beasties). For Windows - well as far a I know Radiance does not work in the same way in terms of building all of the tools that ESP-r expects to find. There is an installer for Radiance on Windows, however this might not include the full set of executables (like the display tools) and it has not been tested. If you want to use ESP-r and Radiance together I would suggest Linux or OSX as platforms. And it might be that someone in the community knows how to get the Windows version of Radiance to work with the native Windows version of ESP-r. That would be good to know! Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: Minh Thach Nguyen [nguyenminhthach2271989 at gmail.com] Sent: 05 November 2015 16:51 To: Jon Hand Subject: Re: [esp-r] Old Esp-r Thank you for writing my messenger . This is my old version of ESP-r.? [https://ssl.gstatic.com/docs/doclist/images/icon_10_generic_list.png] ESP-r_setup_native_windows_w7_v12_2a.exe[X] ?Please help me . Thank you very much . 2015-11-05 22:35 GMT+09:00 Jon Hand >: Need more information to clarify 'please send to me old version of ESP-r'. The github repository is just about to be updated with a new version with lots of improvements to the interactions with Radiance. I would wait a few days for that to be in place and take the source from there. And clarify 'do make by ESP-r 12.12'. In what way was radiance model not created? -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Minh Thach Nguyen [nguyenminhthach2271989 at gmail.com] Sent: 05 November 2015 13:12 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Old Esp-r I want to create Radiance file by Esp-r but i could not do make by Esp-r 12.12 . So , please send to me old version of Esp-r to me . _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Nov 10 10:15:21 2015 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:15:21 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Automatic rounding of decimal points - locale settings Message-ID: If the language is defined with a comma as the decimal point then lots of places where data is read from a file is impacted. ESP-r assumes that a comma is a separator between entities. It can mess up scanning a model very quickly. If someone wants to test a newer installer for ESP-r to run on Windows 7 I can send a link (back up your older stuff first and ensure that the language decimal point is correctly set). Compiling for Native Windows is not as horrible as it used to be (MSYS2 comes with a package manager now), but a bit more complex than compiling for Linux or OSX. Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Achim Geissler [achim.geissler at intergga.ch] Sent: 09 November 2015 18:15 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club Subject: [esp-r] Re: Automatic rounding of decimal points Dear Dimitris, firstly, you should definitely use ?.? (period) as decimal separator, not ?,? (comma). Where does this happen (which feature of ESP-r is being used)? There are certain places in the code, where this is done, however, they should be few. I?m afraid I couldn?t really help, though, as I cannot compile the windows version (I could maybe point to the place in the code which would need a change, however). My recent experience with students is that either a Cygwin installation or a dual boot Linux installation was basically manageable by the students (one, each, only, though, so no large statistic). Being able to compile the code does make life easier, in my experience. Best Achim On 09 Nov 2015, at 17:24, Dimitris Jim Sfakianakis > wrote: Dear list, I recently introduced an MSc student to ESP-r. She is using the Windows 12.2 version. Her problem is that whenever she defines an arithmetic with a decimal point, ESP-r automatically disregards the decimal and saves the number as an integer. e.g. 2.7 becomes 2. She is Greek and she is using a Greek version of windows, and I mention that because the default decimal separator is comma ',' and not period '.'. We tried using both when defining numbers with decimal points but the problem did not go away. Any thoughts? Thanks! Kind regards, Dimitris t: +1 (949) 202 - 8053 e: dsfakianakis at gmail.com [My Linkedin profile] [https://www.aeaweb.org/images/t_logo-a.png] _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch From manzan at units.it Tue Nov 10 11:08:50 2015 From: manzan at units.it (Marco Manzan) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 12:08:50 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Automatic rounding of decimal points - locale settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2246567.mgK0HQ7HZH@udine> hi to all, the problem of comma separated decimals is shared among all platforms linux too and is related to GTK libraries. If esp-r is compiled against X11 (the mode I prefer) the numbers are always stored with dot-decimal notations. otherwise, if the gtk version is used it is a dangerous process since, as explained by Jon Hand, the data file get messed up. So if you use comma separated decimals in internationalization features of your desktop, for instance I use Italian, you have to be sure to reset the decimal notation before starting esp-r. In the linux bash shell I set "export LC_NUMERIC=en_EN". For instance a number of software require the dot-decimal notation also in windows, an example is GSLedit for complex fenestration proprieties definition. I hope this helps Marco Manzan In data marted? 10 novembre 2015 10:15:21, Jon Hand ha scritto: > > If the language is defined with a comma as the decimal point then lots of places where > data is read from a file is impacted. ESP-r assumes that a comma is a separator between > entities. It can mess up scanning a model very quickly. > > If someone wants to test a newer installer for ESP-r to run on Windows 7 I can send a link > (back up your older stuff first and ensure that the language decimal point is correctly set). > > Compiling for Native Windows is not as horrible as it used to be (MSYS2 comes with a > package manager now), but a bit more complex than compiling for Linux or OSX. > > Regards, Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Achim Geissler [achim.geissler at intergga.ch] > Sent: 09 November 2015 18:15 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Automatic rounding of decimal points > > Dear Dimitris, > > firstly, you should definitely use ?.? (period) as decimal separator, not ?,? (comma). > > Where does this happen (which feature of ESP-r is being used)? There are certain places in the code, where this is done, however, they should be few. > > I?m afraid I couldn?t really help, though, as I cannot compile the windows version (I could maybe point to the place in the code which would need a change, however). My recent experience with students is that either a Cygwin installation or a dual boot Linux installation was basically manageable by the students (one, each, only, though, so no large statistic). Being able to compile the code does make life easier, in my experience. > > Best > Achim > > > On 09 Nov 2015, at 17:24, Dimitris Jim Sfakianakis > wrote: > > Dear list, > > I recently introduced an MSc student to ESP-r. She is using the Windows 12.2 version. Her problem is that whenever she defines an arithmetic with a decimal point, ESP-r automatically disregards the decimal and saves the number as an integer. > > e.g. 2.7 becomes 2. > > She is Greek and she is using a Greek version of windows, and I mention that because the default decimal separator is comma ',' and not period '.'. We tried using both when defining numbers with decimal points but the problem did not go away. > > Any thoughts? > > Thanks! > > Kind regards, > > Dimitris > > t: +1 (949) 202 - 8053 > e: dsfakianakis at gmail.com > > [My Linkedin profile] [https://www.aeaweb.org/images/t_logo-a.png] > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > achim.geissler at intergga.ch > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria e Architettura | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| From jeremy at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Dec 10 14:51:40 2015 From: jeremy at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jeremy Cockroft) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 14:51:40 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r Dynamic modelling and simulation - introductory and Advanced Workshops 1-3 February 2016 Message-ID: <9A4EB5D8394D974488B1804FDEC09FEA3689BEAC@EX2010-MBX2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Dear Colleagues, The next Introduction to ESP-r workshops at the University of Strathclyde in Glasgow (map link below) will be held on 1-2 February 2016, with an additional advanced day on 3 February covering topics related to air flow modelling and plant systems modelling and simulation. ESP-r is an integrated dynamic modelling tool for the simulation of the thermal performance of buildings and the assessment of their energy use. The system is equipped to model heat, air, moisture and electrical power flows at user determined resolution. It is available at no cost under an Open Source license. More details at http://www.strath.ac.uk/esru ESP-r workshop sessions are designed to give you hands-on simulation experience as well to develop the underlying skills needed to translate design questions into models which deliver new information and insights. The two-day workshop is intended for those new to ESP-r. For those who have recently joined the ESP-r development community, an introductory workshop is a very good way to explore the relationships between the various modules of the ESP-r suite and how they might be impacted by future software developments. The three day workshop covers the same topics as the introductory workshop, plus additional topics on the third day, related to modelling and simulation of HVAC plant systems. LOCATION Room 6.04, Level 6, James Weir Building 75 Montrose Street Glasgow G1 1XJ Map link: http://www.strath.ac.uk/maps/jamesweirbuilding PROGRAMME The following topics will be covered in the two day course: ? A brief introduction to simulation and how it differs from simplified models ? Introduction to the ESP-r interface, modules and layout of model folders ? Browsing exemplar models and invoking simulations ? Review of weather data ? Construction materials and optical properties ? Creation of a simple model ? Occupancy and lighting patterns in rooms ? Scheduled infiltration and ventilation in rooms ? Setting up and running simulations, explanation of 'save levels' ? Exploration of building performance ? Exporting data from simulation for use with other tools ? Checking models prior to simulation ? Add shading obstructions to a model and calculate shading patterns ? Ideal environmental controls ? Fine-tune controls and test under-capacity systems ? Increase model resolution and numerical resolution ? Integrated Performance Views ? Planning and creation of a new model ? Creation and presentation of your model The following additional topics will be covered in the three day course: ? Overview of dynamic air flow assessments ? Creation of a simple mass flow network ? Control of flow within a mass flow network ? Representing natural ventilation via a mass flow network ? Overview of plant component based systems ? Add a simple plant system to an existing model ? Explore system performance and controls The workshop will be fast-paced and interactive. Delegates should find a wealth of productive techniques and tips from experts to do simulation quicker, cheaper, and better. The Workshop runs from 9h00 to 17h00 each day. Participants are required to bring their own laptops with ESP-r installed. Further details will be forwarded to registrants. COST & REGISTRATION The cost of attending the two day workshop is ?340, and the three day workshop ?410. Please visit our on-line shop for further information and booking. Please pass this invitation to others who may be interested. Best regards, Jeremy Cockroft Energy Systems Research Unit University of Strathclyde 75 Montrose Street, Glasgow, G1 1XJ phone +44(0)141 548 2314 email jeremy at esru.strath.ac.uk website www. strath.ac.uk/esru The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC015263 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20151210/78040cb4/attachment-0001.html