From gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr Mon Jan 6 08:34:52 2014 From: gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr (=?utf-8?B?R8O8bCBOaWhhbCBHw7zEn8O8bA==?=) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 08:34:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [esp-r] Yan: Re: Results Analysis errors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1388997292.74930.YahooMailNeo@web28703.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Hi, ? Thank you dear Achim and Jon for your help. When I selected "result save level:4" problem is solved. Best, ? Gul ? 31 Aral?k 2013 15:00 Sal? tarihinde Jon Hand ??yle yazd?: To get casual gain information you need to specify how much information gets recorded to file as the simulation runs.? In the project manger the menu? browse/edit/simulate -> simulation you need to toggle the save level (option f) to 2 or 4. Also notice option [a simulation presets] which allow you to pre-define a number of assumptions about the simulations to be run (start and stop dates, time steps). If ESP-r complains that a results file is corrupt best to remove the results file(s) from the computer and try running the assessment again. Past email messages on this site have also dealt with common problems with running assessments.? Also, if you download and read the ESP-r Cookbook (UserGuide) there are chapters about running assessments and interpreting performance data. Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Achim.geissler [achim.geissler at intergga.ch] Sent: 26 December 2013 09:42 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Results Analysis errors Dear Gul, the first message seems to imply that something went wrong with your simulation. Were there any messages in the console window? How large is the results file when compared to what the simulator says before running (simulate interactive)? The second is likely a follow-up error. Best Achim --------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: G?l Nihal G????l An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: [esp-r]? Results Analysis errors Datum: 25/12/13 11:27 > Dear All, When I try to run "Results Analysis" I got the error" Library is incomplete or corrupt".  And when I continue I got the error "getallcas:Save option does not allow access to casual gains". When I try to graph "zone flux->infiltration", I got the error "GQV1:Save option does not allow access to zone infiltration". Can someone help me about this error.Thanks for your time.Best wishes,Gul > > > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140106/5b342e92/attachment.html From wakana-m at ec.hokudai.ac.jp Mon Jan 6 10:30:29 2014 From: wakana-m at ec.hokudai.ac.jp (wakana-m at ec.hokudai.ac.jp) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 19:30:29 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] Enthalpy sensor Message-ID: <20140106103029.000045F9.0307@ec.hokudai.ac.jp> Dear all, Hello. Thanks for always helping me. Now I want to simulate outdoor air cooling model. If the enthalpy of outdoor air is lower than the enthalpy of indoor air, I want to use outdoor air for cooling. So I'm looking for the enthalpy sensor. Is the enthalpy sensor included in ESP-r? Best regards, Wakana Matsumoto From wakana-m at ec.hokudai.ac.jp Thu Jan 9 08:52:21 2014 From: wakana-m at ec.hokudai.ac.jp (wakana-m at ec.hokudai.ac.jp) Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 17:52:21 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Enthalpy sensor In-Reply-To: <20140106103029.000045F9.0307@ec.hokudai.ac.jp> References: <20140106103029.000045F9.0307@ec.hokudai.ac.jp> Message-ID: <20140109085221.00001901.0527@ec.hokudai.ac.jp> Dear all, Hello. I found the sensor of enthalpy at node in network flow. Now I made a simple cubic model as a trial. The model has three nodes, middle of room(internal), northern wall(bound wind P)and southern wall(bound wind P). I want to control of opening and closing of windows depend on the enthalpy in outside. In my model, ON/OFF control was used, and northern wall and southern wall were specified as control node. However, after I clicked "invoke simulation", "Continue!" was popped onto the screen and the model couldn't be simulated. In the simulator, error sentence was written; CFFVAR: function 1 type 3 CFFVAR: invalid SSV for mass flow control type Can I use this sensor for control of opening/closing windows? If I can, how should I modify the model? Any advice would be appreciated. Version: 11.11 <> 3 1 2 1.000 (nodes, components, connections, wind reduction) Node Fld. Type Height Temperature Data_1 Data_2 room 1 0 1.5000 20.000 0.0000 27.000 North 1 3 1.5000 0.0000 1.0000 0.0000 South 1 3 1.5000 0.0000 1.0000 180.00 Component Type C+ L+ Description opening 30 2 0 Constant vol. flow rate component m = rho.a 1.0000000 1.38888890E-02 +Node dHght -Node dHght via Component room 0.000 North 0.000 opening room 0.000 South 0.000 opening <> no overall control description supplied * Mass Flow no flow control description supplied 1 # No. of controls * Control mass 1 # senses node (1) room -4 1 0 0 # sensor data # actuates flow component: 1 opening -4 1 2 # actuator data 1 # all daytypes 1 365 # valid Mon-01-Jan - Mon-31-Dec 1 # No. of periods in day: weekdays 3 0 0.000 # ctl type (enthalpy > flow), law (on/off setpoint 50.00 inverse action ON fraction 1.000.), starting @ 3. # No. of data items 50.00000 -1.00000 1.00000 room North opening North room South opening South Best regards, Wakana Matsumoto From amar.seeam at strath.ac.uk Wed Jan 22 09:13:56 2014 From: amar.seeam at strath.ac.uk (Amar Seeam) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 09:13:56 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Log Trace Message-ID: <1390382036.795.29.camel@eee-neils.eee.strath.ac.uk> I am doing many batch simulations, and my log trace file is becoming quite large. Is there any way to disable it? Amar. From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Jan 22 10:44:21 2014 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 10:44:21 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Log Trace In-Reply-To: <1390382036.795.29.camel@eee-neils.eee.strath.ac.uk> References: <1390382036.795.29.camel@eee-neils.eee.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: Not sure what "log trace" is. What application is running that generates this file? What are the contents of this file? Are there many of these files and what kind of names are these files? Actually, the easy way is to find some unique strings that are written into the file and then search the source for matching strings and that would provide a good indication of the facility involved. Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Amar Seeam [amar.seeam at strath.ac.uk] Sent: 22 January 2014 09:13 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Log Trace I am doing many batch simulations, and my log trace file is becoming quite large. Is there any way to disable it? Amar. _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From amar.seeam at strath.ac.uk Wed Jan 22 11:08:49 2014 From: amar.seeam at strath.ac.uk (Amar Seeam) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 11:08:49 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Log Trace In-Reply-To: References: <1390382036.795.29.camel@eee-neils.eee.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1390388929.795.34.camel@eee-neils.eee.strath.ac.uk> Its log_trace.txt - which is created everytime I ran bps, I have configured an input.xml file which looks like this: tree true csv xml building/zone_01/air_point/temperature climate/solar/direct_normal_radiation climate/dry_bulb_temperature climate/relative_humidity climate/solar/diffuse_horizontal_radiation false and log_trace.txt looks like this, ------------------ START LOG INSTANCE ----------------------- 14:07:48: ID: 115; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: building/time/present; derived:building/time/present; 14:07:48: ID: 116; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: building/time/future; derived:building/time/future; 14:07:48: ID: 117; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: building/hour/present; derived:building/hour/present; 14:07:48: ID: 118; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: building/hour/future; derived:building/hour/future; 14:07:48: ID: 119; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: building/day_number/present; derived:building/day_number/present; 14:07:48: ID: 120; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: building/day_number/future; derived:building/day_number/future; 14:07:48: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 9.000000; CurrentStep: 0; ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 14:07:48: ID: 123; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: building/day/present; derived:building/day/present; 14:07:48: ID: 124; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: building/month; derived:building/month; 14:07:48: ID: 125; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: building/day/future; derived:building/day/future; 14:07:48: ID: 126; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: building/time_step; derived:building/time_step; 14:07:48: ID: 211; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: Building/Ground_Reflectivity; derived:Building/Ground_Reflectivity; 14:07:48: ID: 212; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: Climate/SnowDepth; derived:Climate/SnowDepth; 14:07:48: ID: 3; Delimiters: 01*01; h3kmodule: building/zone_*/surface_*/heat_flux/radiation/shortwave; derived:building/zone_01/surface_01/heat_flux/radiation < the file gets very large with similar kind of data - I have edited it out > 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 2.000000; CurrentStep: 1; ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 3.000000; CurrentStep: 2; ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 4.000000; CurrentStep: 3; ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 5.000000; CurrentStep: 4; ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 6.000000; CurrentStep: 5; ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 7.000000; CurrentStep: 6; ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 8.000000; CurrentStep: 7; ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 9.000000; CurrentStep: 8; ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 10.000000; CurrentStep: 9; ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 11.000000; CurrentStep: 10; ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 12.000000; CurrentStep: 11; ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 13.000000; CurrentStep: 12; ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 14.000000; CurrentStep: 13; ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 15.000000; CurrentStep: 14; ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 16.000000; CurrentStep: 15; ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 17.000000; CurrentStep: 16; ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 Amar. On Wed, 2014-01-22 at 10:44 +0000, Jon Hand wrote: > Not sure what "log trace" is. What application is running that generates this > file? What are the contents of this file? Are there many of these files and > what kind of names are these files? > > Actually, the easy way is to find some unique strings that are written > into the file and then search the source for matching strings and that > would provide a good indication of the facility involved. > > Regards, Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Amar Seeam [amar.seeam at strath.ac.uk] > Sent: 22 January 2014 09:13 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Log Trace > > I am doing many batch simulations, and my log trace file is becoming > quite large. > > Is there any way to disable it? > > Amar. > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From achim.geissler at fhnw.ch Mon Jan 27 07:21:31 2014 From: achim.geissler at fhnw.ch (Geissler Achim) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 07:21:31 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Log Trace In-Reply-To: <1390388929.795.34.camel@eee-neils.eee.strath.ac.uk> References: <1390382036.795.29.camel@eee-neils.eee.strath.ac.uk> <1390388929.795.34.camel@eee-neils.eee.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Amar, you either need to update to current development branch or recompile your version after editing src/cetc/h3kreports/TReportsManager.cpp, line 4 (comment out the "#define TRACE_VARIABLE 120") Best Achim > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im > Auftrag von Amar Seeam > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. Januar 2014 12:09 > An: Jon Hand > Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Betreff: [esp-r] Re: Log Trace > > Its log_trace.txt - which is created everytime I ran bps, I have configured an > input.xml file which looks like this: > > > > tree > true > csv > xml > building/zone_01/air_point/temperature > climate/solar/direct_normal_radiation > climate/dry_bulb_temperature > climate/relative_humidity > climate/solar/diffuse_horizontal_radiation > false > > > > and log_trace.txt looks like this, > > ------------------ START LOG INSTANCE ----------------------- > 14:07:48: ID: 115; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: > building/time/present; derived:building/time/present; > 14:07:48: ID: 116; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: > building/time/future; derived:building/time/future; > 14:07:48: ID: 117; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: > building/hour/present; derived:building/hour/present; > 14:07:48: ID: 118; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: > building/hour/future; derived:building/hour/future; > 14:07:48: ID: 119; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: > building/day_number/present; derived:building/day_number/present; > 14:07:48: ID: 120; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: > building/day_number/future; derived:building/day_number/future; > 14:07:48: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 9.000000; CurrentStep: 0; > ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 > 14:07:48: ID: 123; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: > building/day/present; derived:building/day/present; > 14:07:48: ID: 124; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: > building/month; derived:building/month; > 14:07:48: ID: 125; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: > building/day/future; derived:building/day/future; > 14:07:48: ID: 126; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: > building/time_step; derived:building/time_step; > 14:07:48: ID: 211; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: > Building/Ground_Reflectivity; derived:Building/Ground_Reflectivity; > 14:07:48: ID: 212; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: > Climate/SnowDepth; derived:Climate/SnowDepth; > 14:07:48: ID: 3; Delimiters: 01*01; h3kmodule: > building/zone_*/surface_*/heat_flux/radiation/shortwave; > derived:building/zone_01/surface_01/heat_flux/radiation > > < the file gets very large with similar kind of data - I have edited it out > > > 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 2.000000; CurrentStep: 1; > ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 > 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 3.000000; CurrentStep: 2; > ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 > 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 4.000000; CurrentStep: 3; > ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 > 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 5.000000; CurrentStep: 4; > ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 > 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 6.000000; CurrentStep: 5; > ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 > 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 7.000000; CurrentStep: 6; > ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 > 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 8.000000; CurrentStep: 7; > ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 > 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 9.000000; CurrentStep: 8; > ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 > 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 10.000000; CurrentStep: 9; > ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 > 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 11.000000; CurrentStep: 10; > ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 > 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 12.000000; CurrentStep: 11; > ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 > 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 13.000000; CurrentStep: 12; > ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 > 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 14.000000; CurrentStep: 13; > ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 > 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 15.000000; CurrentStep: 14; > ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 > 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 16.000000; CurrentStep: 15; > ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 > 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 17.000000; CurrentStep: 16; > ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 > > > Amar. > On Wed, 2014-01-22 at 10:44 +0000, Jon Hand wrote: > > Not sure what "log trace" is. What application is running that > > generates this file? What are the contents of this file? Are there > > many of these files and what kind of names are these files? > > > > Actually, the easy way is to find some unique strings that are written > > into the file and then search the source for matching strings and that > > would provide a good indication of the facility involved. > > > > Regards, Jon Hand > > ________________________________________ > > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > > [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Amar Seeam > > [amar.seeam at strath.ac.uk] > > Sent: 22 January 2014 09:13 > > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > Subject: [esp-r] Log Trace > > > > I am doing many batch simulations, and my log trace file is becoming > > quite large. > > > > Is there any way to disable it? > > > > Amar. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > esp-r mailing list > > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From amar.seeam at strath.ac.uk Mon Jan 27 19:09:48 2014 From: amar.seeam at strath.ac.uk (Amar Seeam) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 19:09:48 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: esp-r Digest, Vol 90, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0864B8310DF4074AB966763D3D9C26630DCE2CF2@EX2010-MBX2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Hi Achim, Thanks, my work around without recompiling is just to delete the file (rm ... ) after each simulation. Very useful advice for future builds I will do this. Amar. ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 5:30 PM To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: esp-r Digest, Vol 90, Issue 4 Send esp-r mailing list submissions to esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk You can reach the person managing the list at esp-r-owner at lists.strath.ac.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of esp-r digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Log Trace (Geissler Achim) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 07:21:31 +0000 From: Geissler Achim Subject: [esp-r] Re: Log Trace To: "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Amar, you either need to update to current development branch or recompile your version after editing src/cetc/h3kreports/TReportsManager.cpp, line 4 (comment out the "#define TRACE_VARIABLE 120") Best Achim > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im > Auftrag von Amar Seeam > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. Januar 2014 12:09 > An: Jon Hand > Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Betreff: [esp-r] Re: Log Trace > > Its log_trace.txt - which is created everytime I ran bps, I have configured an > input.xml file which looks like this: > > > > tree > true > csv > xml > building/zone_01/air_point/temperature > climate/solar/direct_normal_radiation > climate/dry_bulb_temperature > climate/relative_humidity > climate/solar/diffuse_horizontal_radiation > false > > > > and log_trace.txt looks like this, > > ------------------ START LOG INSTANCE ----------------------- > 14:07:48: ID: 115; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: > building/time/present; derived:building/time/present; > 14:07:48: ID: 116; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: > building/time/future; derived:building/time/future; > 14:07:48: ID: 117; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: > building/hour/present; derived:building/hour/present; > 14:07:48: ID: 118; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: > building/hour/future; derived:building/hour/future; > 14:07:48: ID: 119; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: > building/day_number/present; derived:building/day_number/present; > 14:07:48: ID: 120; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: > building/day_number/future; derived:building/day_number/future; > 14:07:48: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 9.000000; CurrentStep: 0; > ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 > 14:07:48: ID: 123; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: > building/day/present; derived:building/day/present; > 14:07:48: ID: 124; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: > building/month; derived:building/month; > 14:07:48: ID: 125; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: > building/day/future; derived:building/day/future; > 14:07:48: ID: 126; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: > building/time_step; derived:building/time_step; > 14:07:48: ID: 211; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: > Building/Ground_Reflectivity; derived:Building/Ground_Reflectivity; > 14:07:48: ID: 212; Delimiters: ; h3kmodule: > Climate/SnowDepth; derived:Climate/SnowDepth; > 14:07:48: ID: 3; Delimiters: 01*01; h3kmodule: > building/zone_*/surface_*/heat_flux/radiation/shortwave; > derived:building/zone_01/surface_01/heat_flux/radiation > > < the file gets very large with similar kind of data - I have edited it out > > > 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 2.000000; CurrentStep: 1; > ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 > 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 3.000000; CurrentStep: 2; > ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 > 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 4.000000; CurrentStep: 3; > ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 > 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 5.000000; CurrentStep: 4; > ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 > 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 6.000000; CurrentStep: 5; > ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 > 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 7.000000; CurrentStep: 6; > ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 > 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 8.000000; CurrentStep: 7; > ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 > 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 9.000000; CurrentStep: 8; > ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 > 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 10.000000; CurrentStep: 9; > ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 > 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 11.000000; CurrentStep: 10; > ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 > 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 12.000000; CurrentStep: 11; > ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 > 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 13.000000; CurrentStep: 12; > ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 > 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 14.000000; CurrentStep: 13; > ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 > 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 15.000000; CurrentStep: 14; > ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 > 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 16.000000; CurrentStep: 15; > ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 > 13:54:28: From BPS: id: 120; Value: 17.000000; CurrentStep: 16; > ActiveSteps: 0; OutputStepCount: 0 > > > Amar. > On Wed, 2014-01-22 at 10:44 +0000, Jon Hand wrote: > > Not sure what "log trace" is. What application is running that > > generates this file? What are the contents of this file? Are there > > many of these files and what kind of names are these files? > > > > Actually, the easy way is to find some unique strings that are written > > into the file and then search the source for matching strings and that > > would provide a good indication of the facility involved. > > > > Regards, Jon Hand > > ________________________________________ > > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > > [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Amar Seeam > > [amar.seeam at strath.ac.uk] > > Sent: 22 January 2014 09:13 > > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > Subject: [esp-r] Log Trace > > > > I am doing many batch simulations, and my log trace file is becoming > > quite large. > > > > Is there any way to disable it? > > > > Amar. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > esp-r mailing list > > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r End of esp-r Digest, Vol 90, Issue 4 ************************************ From kgobakis at isc.tuc.gr Tue Jan 28 12:00:01 2014 From: kgobakis at isc.tuc.gr (Kostas Gobakis) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 14:00:01 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Esp-r and Cfd Message-ID: <52E79BC1.6030402@isc.tuc.gr> Hi, I am starting a new project and i am looking for the right software. Does esp-r makes CFD simulation for the external environment or it require another software to make the simulation like OpenFoam? Best regards, Kostas Gompakis -- PhD. Candidate Built Environment and Energy management Research Unit Dept. Environmental Engineering Technical University of Crete Chania ? Crete (tel: +30 28210 37837) From cn06arc at leeds.ac.uk Tue Jan 28 12:20:39 2014 From: cn06arc at leeds.ac.uk (Andrew Cowie) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 12:20:39 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Esp-r and Cfd Message-ID: <2897FA50-64FF-4A18-B662-B1C8A669AC5E@leeds.ac.uk> Hi Kostas, The CFD in ESP-r will simulate any zone that you can viably model. Normally this would be an internal zone, however with appropriate boundary conditions I'm sure you could model external air-flow in a localised area, though you would need some pretty concrete validation for such a model. Also, CFD modelling of internal zones can be conflated with external air-flow by use of an air-flow network; this would simulate wind pressures at openings and hence calculate appropriate supply rates. From my personal experience, the CFD in ESP-r is excellent if you want to conflate the CFD with other modelling domains, such as inter-zonal air-flow and dynamic thermal simulation of the building fabric. However, the boundary condition and gridding functionality of ESP-r's CFD is rather less extensive and flexible than FOAM-based dedicated CFD programs. So if you're just wanting to simulate some air-flow, I'd go with OpenFoam. If you're wanting to conflate your CFD with other elements of building simulation, I would recommend at least trying ESP-r. Hope this helps, Andy Cowie Sent from my HTC ----- Reply message ----- From: "Kostas Gobakis" To: "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" Subject: [esp-r] Esp-r and Cfd Date: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 12:02 Hi, I am starting a new project and i am looking for the right software. Does esp-r makes CFD simulation for the external environment or it require another software to make the simulation like OpenFoam? Best regards, Kostas Gompakis -- PhD. Candidate Built Environment and Energy management Research Unit Dept. Environmental Engineering Technical University of Crete Chania ? Crete (tel: +30 28210 37837) _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From jeremy at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Jan 28 12:24:31 2014 From: jeremy at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jeremy Cockroft) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 12:24:31 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r Introductory and Advanced Workshops 11-13 February 2014 Message-ID: <9A4EB5D8394D974488B1804FDEC09FEA0DD0127E@EX2010-MBX2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Final reminder! We still have places available. From: Jeremy Cockroft Sent: 06 November 2013 15:25 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: ESP-r Introductory and Advanced Workshops 11-13 February 2014 Dear Colleagues, The next Introduction to ESP-r workshops at the University of Strathclyde in Glasgow (map link below) will be held on 11-12 February 2014, with an additional advanced day on 13th February covering topics related to plant systems modelling and simulation. ESP-r is an integrated dynamic modelling tool for the simulation of the thermal performance of buildings and the assessment of their energy use. The system is equipped to model heat, air, moisture and electrical power flows at user determined resolution. It is available at no cost under an Open Source license. More details at http://www.strath.ac.uk/esru ESP-r workshop sessions are designed to give you hands-on simulation experience as well to develop the underlying skills needed to translate design questions into models which deliver new information and insights. The two-day workshop is intended for those new to ESP-r. For those who have recently joined the ESP-r development community, an introductory workshop is a very good way to explore the relationships between the various modules of the ESP-r suite and how they might be impacted by future software developments. The three day workshop covers the same topics as the introductory workshop, plus additional topics on the third day, related to modelling and simulation of HVAC plant systems. LOCATION University Centre 347 Cathedral Street Glasgow G1 2TB Map link: http://www.strath.ac.uk/maps/universitycentre/ PROGRAMME The following topics will be covered in the two day course: ? A brief introduction to simulation and how it differs from simplified models ? Introduction to the ESP-r interface, modules and layout of model folders ? Browsing exemplar models and invoking simulations ? Review of weather data ? Construction materials and optical properties ? Creation of a simple model ? Occupancy and lighting patterns in rooms ? Scheduled infiltration and ventilation in rooms ? Setting up and running simulations, explanation of 'save levels' ? Exploration of building performance ? Exporting data from simulation for use with other tools ? Checking models prior to simulation ? Add shading obstructions to a model and calculate shading patterns ? Ideal environmental controls ? Fine-tune controls and test under-capacity systems ? Increase model resolution and numerical resolution ? Integrated Performance Views ? Planning and creation of a new model ? Creation and presentation of your model The following additional topics will be covered in the three day course: ? Overview of dynamic air flow assessments ? Creation of a simple mass flow network ? Control of flow within a mass flow network ? Representing natural ventilation via a mass flow network ? Overview of plant component based systems ? Add a simple plant system to an existing model ? Explore system performance and controls The workshop will be fast-paced and interactive. Delegates should find a wealth of productive techniques and tips from experts to do simulation quicker, cheaper, and better. The Workshop runs from 9h00 to 17h00 each day. Participants are required to bring their own laptops with ESP-r installed. Further details will be forwarded to registrants. COST & REGISTRATION The cost of attending the two day workshop is ?340, and the three day workshop ?410. Please visit our on-line shop http://onlineshop.strath.ac.uk/browse/extra_info.asp?compid=1&modid=2&deptid=152&catid=46&prodid=283 for registration. Please pass this invitation to others who may be interested. Best regards, Jeremy Cockroft Energy Systems Research Unit University of Strathclyde 347 Cathedral Street, Glasgow G1 2TB phone +44(0)141 548 2314 email jeremy at esru.strath.ac.uk website www. strath.ac.uk/esru The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC015263 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140128/03693112/attachment.html From kgobakis at isc.tuc.gr Wed Jan 29 17:38:31 2014 From: kgobakis at isc.tuc.gr (Kostas Gobakis) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 19:38:31 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Memory reference error Message-ID: <52E93C97.9050601@isc.tuc.gr> I have download and install Jon_Hand branch. When i go to edit the surfaces attributes of a simple room i receive the following error: Program received signal SIGSEGV: Segmentation fault - invalid memory reference. Backtrace for this error: #0 0x7F7131FC27D7 #1 0x7F7131FC2DDE #2 0x7F71316FDFEF #3 0x79A968 After restart -------------------------------------------- Program received signal SIGSEGV: Segmentation fault - invalid memory reference. Backtrace for this error: #0 0x7FB41EB337D7 #1 0x7FB41EB33DDE #2 0x7FB41E26EFEF #3 0x79A968 I have install the Esp-r on Linux Mint 16 on a VMware workstation v8.0.1 Best regards, Kostas Gompakis -- PhD. Candidate Built Environment and Energy management Research Unit Dept. Environmental Engineering Technical University of Crete Chania ? Crete (tel: +30 28210 37837) From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Jan 29 18:04:37 2014 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:04:37 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Memory reference error In-Reply-To: <52E93C97.9050601@isc.tuc.gr> References: <52E93C97.9050601@isc.tuc.gr> Message-ID: There seems to be an issue with the GTK interface of ESP-r with the most recent versions of MINT Linux. There seems to have been updates to the GTK libraries that are the cause. If you choose the X11 compile option that does not seem to be impacted. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Kostas Gobakis [kgobakis at isc.tuc.gr] Sent: 29 January 2014 17:38 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Memory reference error I have download and install Jon_Hand branch. When i go to edit the surfaces attributes of a simple room i receive the following error: Program received signal SIGSEGV: Segmentation fault - invalid memory reference. Backtrace for this error: #0 0x7F7131FC27D7 #1 0x7F7131FC2DDE #2 0x7F71316FDFEF #3 0x79A968 After restart -------------------------------------------- Program received signal SIGSEGV: Segmentation fault - invalid memory reference. Backtrace for this error: #0 0x7FB41EB337D7 #1 0x7FB41EB33DDE #2 0x7FB41E26EFEF #3 0x79A968 I have install the Esp-r on Linux Mint 16 on a VMware workstation v8.0.1 Best regards, Kostas Gompakis -- PhD. Candidate Built Environment and Energy management Research Unit Dept. Environmental Engineering Technical University of Crete Chania ? Crete (tel: +30 28210 37837) _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Jan 30 13:30:56 2014 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 13:30:56 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: reminder of which ESP-r branch to check out Message-ID: A reminder - if people are wanting to grab the source code of ESP-r so that they can compile it on their computer then the branch which is generally used is the development_branch. Checking out one of the other branches (e.g. Jon_Hand) might get you facilities which are work-in-progress. If you are going to be doing development on ESP-r which might result in an evolution of ESP-r then you might consider requesting your own branch so that later you can commit the changes and get them merged into development_branch. Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Kostas Gobakis [kgobakis at isc.tuc.gr] Sent: 29 January 2014 17:38 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Memory reference error I have download and install Jon_Hand branch. When i go to edit the surfaces attributes of a simple room i receive the following error: Program received signal SIGSEGV: Segmentation fault - invalid memory reference. Backtrace for this error: #0 0x7F7131FC27D7 #1 0x7F7131FC2DDE #2 0x7F71316FDFEF #3 0x79A968 After restart -------------------------------------------- Program received signal SIGSEGV: Segmentation fault - invalid memory reference. Backtrace for this error: #0 0x7FB41EB337D7 #1 0x7FB41EB33DDE #2 0x7FB41E26EFEF #3 0x79A968 I have install the Esp-r on Linux Mint 16 on a VMware workstation v8.0.1 Best regards, Kostas Gompakis -- PhD. Candidate Built Environment and Energy management Research Unit Dept. Environmental Engineering Technical University of Crete Chania ? Crete (tel: +30 28210 37837) _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From kgobakis at isc.tuc.gr Thu Jan 30 13:17:30 2014 From: kgobakis at isc.tuc.gr (Kostas Gobakis) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 15:17:30 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Memory reference error In-Reply-To: References: <52E93C97.9050601@isc.tuc.gr> Message-ID: <52EA50EA.4030503@isc.tuc.gr> Thanks a lot, I recompile Esp-r with X11 and all works fine. Just to save some time to the newcomers. On Mint and other Ubuntu based distributions when you try run the esp-r + X11 the following error will appear " /Display :0.0 doesn?t know font -*helvetica-medium-r*??./ " Read the detailed guide at /usr/esru/esp-r/manual/OS/Linux/Ubuntu_for_esp-r.rtf and reboot after finishing all the installation. Best regards, Kostas Gompakis ???? 29/1/2014 8:04 ??, ?/? Jon Hand ??????: > There seems to be an issue with the GTK interface of ESP-r with > the most recent versions of MINT Linux. There seems to have > been updates to the GTK libraries that are the cause. If you > choose the X11 compile option that does not seem to be impacted. > > -Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Kostas Gobakis [kgobakis at isc.tuc.gr] > Sent: 29 January 2014 17:38 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Memory reference error > > I have download and install Jon_Hand branch. When i go to edit the > surfaces attributes of a simple room i receive the following error: > Program received signal SIGSEGV: Segmentation fault - invalid memory > reference. > > Backtrace for this error: > #0 0x7F7131FC27D7 > #1 0x7F7131FC2DDE > #2 0x7F71316FDFEF > #3 0x79A968 > > After restart > -------------------------------------------- > Program received signal SIGSEGV: Segmentation fault - invalid memory > reference. > > Backtrace for this error: > #0 0x7FB41EB337D7 > #1 0x7FB41EB33DDE > #2 0x7FB41E26EFEF > #3 0x79A968 > > > I have install the Esp-r on Linux Mint 16 on a VMware workstation v8.0.1 > Best regards, > Kostas Gompakis > > -- > PhD. Candidate > Built Environment and Energy management Research Unit > Dept. Environmental Engineering > Technical University of Crete > Chania ? Crete > (tel: +30 28210 37837) > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -- PhD. Candidate Built Environment and Energy management Research Unit Dept. Environmental Engineering Technical University of Crete Chania ? Crete (tel: +30 28210 37837) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140130/f707fa5f/attachment.html From Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca Thu Feb 6 21:09:54 2014 From: Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca (Ferguson, Alex) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 21:09:54 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Changes coming to ESP-r central Message-ID: <6E91C8562E39DD498E62F5AE4BF7224569B82E7E@S-BSC-MBX3.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca> Good afternoon from snowy Ottawa! For eight years now, this community has been collaborating on ESP-r code development through a shared code repository (that we refer to as ESP-r central). My organization, Natural Resources Canada, has paid to host that repository on third-party servers. The arrangement has worked really well, and the community has contributed nearly 10,000 revisions to the ESP-r code base. However, changes in my department's procurement rules mean that Natural Resources Canada can no longer continue to pay for this service. After considerable discussion, we have agreed to migrate the ESP-r repository to another, free service for open source software. You will still be able to access and contribute to ESP-r source code online, and the data in your branches will be preserved. But there will be some changes in how you interact with the code, and how you submit it for inclusion in development_branch. Here are the top 10 things you need to know right now: 1. What's changing? We're moving ESP-r source code from a paid service provider (Collab.net, also known as Cloudforge, Codesion, and cvsdude) to GitHub (https://github.com/), a provider that offers free services to open source projects. ESP-r will remain open source. It will still be accessible on the web. And you can still use version control tools (such as svn) to download it, modify it, and improve it. 2. When will this change happen? Our collab.net subscription expires on February 22nd. We will move the repository before then. 3. Why do we need to move? Natural Resources Canada has paid for these services since 2006. But new rules in the Canadian Government prevent us from paying for third party services when comparable in-house capabilities are available. But while we do have free svn servers for our use, they also sit behind government firewalls and are not easily accessed by third parties (that is, you). 4. Why GitHub? There are a lot of version-control providers today. But there are also good reasons why we've chosen GitHub: * Github runs on git, but they've also built a full-featured subversion API. This means that if you don't like git, you can continue to use svn to manage your code. * Github is self-serve, which means that you can create and manage your own account. It allows us to create an 'organization' for the entire ESP-r community, and organize those communities into teams that help manage parts of the ESP-r source code. We can also appoint multiple administrators to the organization, to ensure the community can continue to function even if a principle supporter withdraws. * Github has a lot of investors, and it's making money. That matters to us because it means GitHub is more likely to be around for a while, and continue to offer services to communities like ours. * Github makes money from private companies who want to keep their source code private. But GitHub is built on open-source software, and their business model includes a commitment to supporting open-source projects. * Many other well-known projects are hosted on git, including OpenStudio (https://github.com/NREL/). 5. What will the new repository look like? The new repository will be hosted under an organization called 'ESP-rCommunity' (see: https://github.com/ESP-rCommunity/, this currently contains some test repositories that we're using to figure out how to migrate ESP-r to github) . Within there, you will find a source code repository, along with directions to download the code via 'svn checkout' or 'git clone'. There's also some other features, including a wiki, a discussion space and some analytics. You'll be able to create your own branches, and github will help you figure out how your branch differs from trunk, and how you can synchronize changes and submit contributions. When you compare the new structure to the one we used on collab.net, you will see some changes: * We'll probably make some changes to the ESP-r directory structure to cut down the traffic in the src directory and make it easier for developers to keep up to date. Expect to see the Install script, training, validation, manual, archive and doc directories moved alongside the src and tester directories. * We're going to preserve the revision history on development_branch/src, and we can create snapshots that represent the current states of the development sub-branches in use today. This means that the new repository will not contain the history associated with your sub-branch. * You're going to be able to create and delete your own branches. This will make it easier to start work with the latest code on development_branch. After your development is done and you've submitted changes, you can chose to delete your branch and start fresh from a new copy of development branch. * You'll also see an end to email commit notifications. For better or worse, GitHub has decided that this feature is not on their roadmap. To find out what's happening in ESP-r source code, you'll have to visit GitHub.com. Once there, you'll find a useful dashboard showing development activity. 6. Are we going to lose anything? No. We've backed up the complete history of the repository back to 2006, including revisions and log messages on all branches. That file is too big to post anywhere. But I can share it with you, or I can query your branch for specific revisions or log messages if needed. 7. Will this move orphan outstanding modifications on your branch? No. If you have outstanding changes in your sandbox or on your branch, you have the following options a) Best option: Submit your changes to Ian Beausoleil-Morrison as per the existing procedure. If he receives them before Feb 14, he will fold them into development branch. This will give you a seamless transition to the new repository. b) Next-best option: Not ready to submit? Commit your changes to your existing branch. We'll create a branch for you in the new repository, and I will patch it for you to make it a snapshot of your existing branch. Your development can continue. c) Alternatively: Create your own branch as a copy of the current state of development branch. Migrate your changes in manually. d) If all else fails: Abandon your development and start over. Sometimes everybody needs a fresh start. 8. What do you need to do to during this migration? i. Commit your changes: If you have outstanding revisions to submit, choose one of the options under item #7. If you choose option b) - snapshot of your current branch, be sure to let me know. ii. Create a github account: Create an account at GitHub (https://github.com/), and send me an email with your username. I'll add you to the ESP-r community. iii. Choose SVN or Git: Decide if you want to use Git or SVN to manage your source code. Git is more flexible and powerful. But it's also less intuitive. There are many online resources to help you decide (e.g: https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GitSvnComparison); if git seems like too big a mountain to climb, you can continue to work with svn. You can also switch from one to another at any time. iv. Use new checkout procedures: This migration will require some changes to how you check-out the repository and submit your changes. Details will come next week. 9. What if you think this is a terrible idea? I know our transition onto versioning control at cvsdude was rocky for some developers, and it's possible that you may find these further changes unnecessary and unwarranted. We want to hear your concerns. The archivist (Ian Beausoleil-Morrison) will entertain other ways that groups may use to obtain and contribute code to ESP-r. Contact him at ian_beausoleil-morrison at sbes.ca to find out more. 10. Will this change be smooth and painless? I'm trying make this transition as easy as possible. But I'm sure there will be a bump or two along the way. I ask for your patience and understanding. I'm sure many of you will have questions; please send them to me and/or Ian Beausoleil-Morrison. - Alex Alex Ferguson Housing Team, CanmetENERGY Natural Resources Canada +1 613 995 3294 alex.ferguson at nrcan.gc.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In the meantime: * I will be reverting our current ESP-r svn repository on collab.net (aka cloudforge/codesion/cvsdude) to the free account today. I expect that some functions on that repository will continue to work, but I can't say which ones. In any case, please do not continue to commit changes the current repository; we cannot support their inclusion in the new one. * If you want to use github to manage your ESP-r source, be sure to register (http://github.com) and send me your username. If you don't want to use github, please contact Ian Beausoleil-Morrison to make other arrangements. * All of the data from the old repository has been archived. I have your complete branch histories, and I can reintroduce them into the github repository if you wish. I won't be pulling all of the branches across, but I'm happy to pull individual branches on request. More details to come! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Let me know, Regards, Arianna Sdei Research Fellow IFORE (Innovation For Renewal) UNIVERSITY OF BRIGHTON Moulsecoomb, Lewes Road, Brighton, BN2 4AT direct line: 0044 (0)2036747268 mobile: 0044 (0)7981739024 ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ ___________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140225/e4384a70/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Tue Feb 25 19:30:42 2014 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 20:30:42 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: cooling In-Reply-To: <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC3F038A@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> References: <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC3F038A@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> Message-ID: Dear Arianna, the information about the model is a bit scarce. - do you have an afn defined? - how is this affected by closing doors? - could closing doors reduce night time cooling (if any)? - how is the AC modelled? Do ducts run through zones that may become warmer by closing doors? - how do surface temperatures of the living room change after closing doors (i.e., does the bedroom become hot and what is the construction between these zones)? - is the cooling load absolutely higher or relatively? ? and maybe a few more I am not thinking about, right now. Cheers, Achim On Feb 25, 2014, at 6:23 PM, Arianna Sdei wrote: > Dear All, > > I am running some simulations in a multizone model of a single storey house with one bedroom and one living room. I am controlling some air conditioning in the living room only from May to September. So, I thought that by closing the door of the living room I would get a lower cooling load. But actually if I close all doors in the house I get a slightly higher cooling load and a lower heating load. Do you know why? Let me know, > > Regards, > > Arianna Sdei > > Research Fellow IFORE (Innovation For Renewal) > > UNIVERSITY OF BRIGHTON > > Moulsecoomb, Lewes Road, Brighton, BN2 4AT > > direct line: 0044 (0)2036747268 > > mobile: 0044 (0)7981739024 > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security > System on behalf of the University of Brighton. > For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ > ___________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140225/8954cf05/attachment.html From A.Sdei at brighton.ac.uk Thu Feb 27 12:28:05 2014 From: A.Sdei at brighton.ac.uk (Arianna Sdei) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 12:28:05 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: cooling In-Reply-To: References: <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC3F038A@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> Message-ID: <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC3F6B2B@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> Dear Achim, Thank you for your comment. I do have an afn defined and I am only imposing a cooling set point temperature on the control file for the living room during the day and the bedroom at night. There is no night time cooling at the moment. The cooling load seems to increase slightly in his absolute value while the heating reduces quite a lot . I will send you more detailed figures shortly, regards Arianna From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Achim Geissler Sent: 25 February 2014 19:31 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club Subject: [esp-r] Re: cooling Dear Arianna, the information about the model is a bit scarce. - do you have an afn defined? - how is this affected by closing doors? - could closing doors reduce night time cooling (if any)? - how is the AC modelled? Do ducts run through zones that may become warmer by closing doors? - how do surface temperatures of the living room change after closing doors (i.e., does the bedroom become hot and what is the construction between these zones)? - is the cooling load absolutely higher or relatively? ... and maybe a few more I am not thinking about, right now. Cheers, Achim On Feb 25, 2014, at 6:23 PM, Arianna Sdei > wrote: Dear All, I am running some simulations in a multizone model of a single storey house with one bedroom and one living room. I am controlling some air conditioning in the living room only from May to September. So, I thought that by closing the door of the living room I would get a lower cooling load. But actually if I close all doors in the house I get a slightly higher cooling load and a lower heating load. Do you know why? Let me know, Regards, Arianna Sdei Research Fellow IFORE (Innovation For Renewal) UNIVERSITY OF BRIGHTON Moulsecoomb, Lewes Road, Brighton, BN2 4AT direct line: 0044 (0)2036747268 mobile: 0044 (0)7981739024 ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140227/8164d04e/attachment.html From A.Sdei at brighton.ac.uk Thu Feb 27 18:49:07 2014 From: A.Sdei at brighton.ac.uk (Arianna Sdei) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 18:49:07 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: cooling In-Reply-To: References: <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC3F038A@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC3F6B2B@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> Message-ID: <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC3F6CE2@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> Hi Hua, thank you very much. I have checked and it looks like with the doors open the ventilation load reduces while the convection through opaque surfaces ptn (which I don?t know what it means) increases. Does that make any sense? Achim, The absolute cooling increases from 340 kWh/year to 421 kWh/year when the doors are closed. Can anyone help to clarify why? Thank you, Regards, Arianna From: ?? [mailto:suohua1505 at gmail.com] Sent: 27 February 2014 12:57 To: Arianna Sdei Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: cooling Dear Adriana, I suggest use RESULT ANALYSIS to check the energy balance of the zone, ESP-r will split , in every time step, into infiltration, ventilation, storage, convection etc. Just check one tipical heating or cooling time step. In this way, you can check which parameter increases which does not, it may be helpful for you furture analysis. Regards, Hua 2014-02-27 13:28 GMT+01:00 Arianna Sdei >: Dear Achim, Thank you for your comment. I do have an afn defined and I am only imposing a cooling set point temperature on the control file for the living room during the day and the bedroom at night. There is no night time cooling at the moment. The cooling load seems to increase slightly in his absolute value while the heating reduces quite a lot . I will send you more detailed figures shortly, regards Arianna From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Achim Geissler Sent: 25 February 2014 19:31 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club Subject: [esp-r] Re: cooling Dear Arianna, the information about the model is a bit scarce. - do you have an afn defined? - how is this affected by closing doors? - could closing doors reduce night time cooling (if any)? - how is the AC modelled? Do ducts run through zones that may become warmer by closing doors? - how do surface temperatures of the living room change after closing doors (i.e., does the bedroom become hot and what is the construction between these zones)? - is the cooling load absolutely higher or relatively? ? and maybe a few more I am not thinking about, right now. Cheers, Achim On Feb 25, 2014, at 6:23 PM, Arianna Sdei > wrote: Dear All, I am running some simulations in a multizone model of a single storey house with one bedroom and one living room. I am controlling some air conditioning in the living room only from May to September. So, I thought that by closing the door of the living room I would get a lower cooling load. But actually if I close all doors in the house I get a slightly higher cooling load and a lower heating load. Do you know why? Let me know, Regards, Arianna Sdei Research Fellow IFORE (Innovation For Renewal) UNIVERSITY OF BRIGHTON Moulsecoomb, Lewes Road, Brighton, BN2 4AT direct line: 0044 (0)2036747268 mobile: 0044 (0)7981739024 ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ ___________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ ___________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ ___________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -- Suo Hua Ph.D Student in Tecnologia e Progetto per l'Ambiente Costruito/Technology and Design for Environment and Building Il Dipartimento B.E.S.T.Dipartimento di Scienza e Tecnologie dell?Ambiente Costruito/ The Department of Building Environment Science & Technology Politecnico Di Milano Email:hua.suo at mail.polimi.it Tele:3890994652 ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ ___________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ ___________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140227/44f9cf8d/attachment-0001.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Thu Feb 27 20:20:09 2014 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim.geissler) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 21:20:09 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: cooling Message-ID: <40db7eba950fa95f42855f31d089afba@46.126.93.232> Dear Arianna, O.K., so you have an afn, are using basic zone control to heat / cool the air points of your zones. You have heating only in the bedroom and cooling only in the living room. Is the cooling load due to climate (high ambient temperatures) or more due to solar loads? I.e., if you reduce air flow (via afn), which must happen (have you compared air change rates with doors open / closed?), and the cooling load is due to solar loads, then it would seem fairly natural for the cooling load to increase (less heat extraction by air change with comparatively cool ambient air). Best Achim --------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: Arianna Sdei An: ?? , esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club , esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: [esp-r] Re: cooling Datum: 27/02/14 19:50 > > Hi Hua, > >   > thank you very much. I have checked and it looks like with the doors open the ventilation load reduces while the convection through opaque surfaces ptn (which > I don??t know what it means) increases. Does that make any sense? >   > Achim, > >   > The absolute cooling increases from 340 kWh/year to 421 kWh/year when the doors are closed. > >   > Can anyone help to clarify why? >   > Thank you, >   > Regards, >   > Arianna >   >    >   > > From: > ???? [mailto:suohua1505 at gmail.com] > > Sent: 27 February 2014 12:57 > To: Arianna Sdei > Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: cooling > >   > > Dear Adriana, I suggest use RESULT ANALYSIS to check the energy balance of the zone, ESP-r will split , in every time step, into infiltration, ventilation, storage, convection etc. Just check one tipical heating or cooling time step. In > this way, you can check which parameter increases which does not, it may be helpful for you furture analysis. > > >   > > > Regards, > > >   > > > Hua  > > > 2014-02-27 13:28 GMT+01:00 Arianna Sdei <A.Sdei at brighton.ac..uk>: > > > Dear Achim, > >   > Thank you for your comment. I do have an afn defined and I am only imposing a cooling set point temperature > on the control file for the living room during the day and the bedroom at night. There is no night time cooling at the moment. The cooling load seems to increase slightly in his absolute value while the heating reduces quite a lot . I will send you more detailed > figures shortly, >   > regards > Arianna > >   > > > From: > esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Achim Geissler > Sent: 25 February 2014 19:31 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club > Subject: [esp-r] Re: cooling > > > > >   > Dear Arianna, > >   > > > the information about the model is a bit scarce. > > > - do you have an afn defined? > > > - how is this affected by closing doors? > > > - could closing doors reduce night time cooling (if any)? > > > - how is the AC modelled? Do ducts run through zones that may become warmer by closing doors? > > > - how do surface temperatures of the living room change after closing doors (i.e., does the bedroom become hot and what is the construction between these zones)? > > > - is the cooling load absolutely higher or relatively? > > >   > > > ?? and maybe a few more I am not thinking about, right now. > > >   > > > Cheers, > > > Achim > > >   > > >   > > >   > > > On Feb 25, 2014, at 6:23 PM, Arianna Sdei <A.Sdei at brighton.ac.uk> wrote: > >   > > > Dear All, > > >   > > > I am running some simulations in a multizone model of a single storey house with one bedroom and one living room. > I am controlling some air conditioning in the living room only from May to September. So, I thought that by closing the door of the living room I would get a lower cooling load. But actually if I close all doors in the house I get a slightly higher cooling > load and a lower heating load. Do you know why? Let me know, > > >   > > > Regards, > > >   > > > Arianna Sdei > > >   > > > Research Fellow IFORE (Innovation For Renewal) > > >   > > > UNIVERSITY OF BRIGHTON > > >   > > > Moulsecoomb, Lewes Road, Brighton, BN2 4AT > > >   > > > direct line: 0044 (0)2036747268 > > >   > > > mobile: 0044 (0)7981739024 > > >   > > >   > > > ___________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security > System on behalf of the University of Brighton. > For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ > ___________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > >   > > > achim.geissler at intergga.ch > > >   > > >   > >   > >   > > > ___________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security > System on behalf of the University of Brighton. > For more information see > http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security > System on behalf of the University of Brighton. > For more information see > http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > > > > -- > > Suo Hua > > >   > > > Ph.D Student in Tecnologia e Progetto per l'Ambiente Costruito/Technology and Design for Environment and Building > > >   > > > Il Dipartimento B.E.S.T.Dipartimento di Scienza e Tecnologie dell??Ambiente Costruito/ The Department of Building Environment Science & Technology > > >   > > > Politecnico Di Milano > > > Email:hua.suo at mail.polimi.it > > > Tele:3890994652 > ___________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security > System on behalf of the University of Brighton. > For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ > ___________________________________________________________ > > > ___________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security > System on behalf of the University of Brighton. > For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From suohua1505 at gmail.com Fri Feb 28 18:57:35 2014 From: suohua1505 at gmail.com (=?GB2312?B?y/e7qg==?=) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 19:57:35 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: cooling In-Reply-To: <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC3F6CE2@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> References: <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC3F038A@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC3F6B2B@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC3F6CE2@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi, Adriana. You are welcome. Convection opaque surface ptn means the convection heat transfer through the partition wall. it means the temperature of living room inner surface which is in contact with other zone(zones) increases, if we assume the convective heat transfer coefficent the same. This means the solar gain, is getting through your living room "more easily" in respect when the doors closed. Instead of having the year cooling and heating, I suggest you should check for each time step, one hour or ten minutes, depenting on your presetting, the energy balance. Is that for every time step ventilation load is increased or only in very hot summer ? it happens only in the afternoon or all the day? also some other parameters are important to understand the whole situation. Regards, Hua 2014-02-27 19:49 GMT+01:00 Arianna Sdei : > Hi Hua, > > > > thank you very much. I have checked and it looks like with the doors open > the ventilation load reduces while the convection through opaque surfaces > ptn (which I don?t know what it means) increases. Does that make any sense? > > > > Achim, > > > > The absolute cooling increases from 340 kWh/year to 421 kWh/year when the > doors are closed. > > > > Can anyone help to clarify why? > > > > Thank you, > > > > Regards, > > > > Arianna > > > > > > > > *From:* ?? [mailto:suohua1505 at gmail.com] > *Sent:* 27 February 2014 12:57 > *To:* Arianna Sdei > *Subject:* Re: [esp-r] Re: cooling > > > > Dear Adriana, I suggest use RESULT ANALYSIS to check the energy balance of > the zone, ESP-r will split , in every time step, into infiltration, > ventilation, storage, convection etc. Just check one tipical heating or > cooling time step. In this way, you can check which parameter > increases which does not, it may be helpful for you furture analysis. > > > > Regards, > > > > Hua > > 2014-02-27 13:28 GMT+01:00 Arianna Sdei : > > Dear Achim, > > > > Thank you for your comment. I do have an afn defined and I am only > imposing a cooling set point temperature on the control file for the living > room during the day and the bedroom at night. There is no night time > cooling at the moment. The cooling load seems to increase slightly in his > absolute value while the heating reduces quite a lot . I will send you more > detailed figures shortly, > > > > regards > > Arianna > > > > *From:* esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto: > esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Achim Geissler > *Sent:* 25 February 2014 19:31 > *To:* esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club > *Subject:* [esp-r] Re: cooling > > > > Dear Arianna, > > > > the information about the model is a bit scarce. > > - do you have an afn defined? > > - how is this affected by closing doors? > > - could closing doors reduce night time cooling (if any)? > > - how is the AC modelled? Do ducts run through zones that may become > warmer by closing doors? > > - how do surface temperatures of the living room change after closing > doors (i.e., does the bedroom become hot and what is the construction > between these zones)? > > - is the cooling load absolutely higher or relatively? > > > > ? and maybe a few more I am not thinking about, right now. > > > > Cheers, > > Achim > > > > > > > > On Feb 25, 2014, at 6:23 PM, Arianna Sdei wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > I am running some simulations in a multizone model of a single storey > house with one bedroom and one living room. I am controlling some air > conditioning in the living room only from May to September. So, I thought > that by closing the door of the living room I would get a lower cooling > load. But actually if I close all doors in the house I get a slightly > higher cooling load and a lower heating load. Do you know why? Let me know, > > > > Regards, > > > > *Arianna Sdei* > > > > Research Fellow IFORE (Innovation For Renewal) > > > > UNIVERSITY OF BRIGHTON > > > > Moulsecoomb, Lewes Road, Brighton, BN2 4AT > > > > direct line: 0044 (0)2036747268 > > > > mobile: 0044 (0)7981739024 > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security > System on behalf of the University of Brighton. > For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ > ___________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > > > achim.geissler at intergga.ch > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security > System on behalf of the University of Brighton. > For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ > ___________________________________________________________ > > > ___________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security > System on behalf of the University of Brighton. > For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ > ___________________________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > > > > -- > > *Suo Hua* > > > > *Ph.D Student in Tecnologia e Progetto per l'Ambiente Costruito/Technology > and Design for Environment and Building* > > > > *Il Dipartimento B.E.S.T.Dipartimento di Scienza e Tecnologie > dell?Ambiente Costruito/ The Department of Building Environment Science & > Technology* > > > > *Politecnico Di Milano* > > > *Email:hua.suo at mail.polimi.it * > > *Tele:3890994652* > ___________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security > System on behalf of the University of Brighton. > For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ > ___________________________________________________________ > > ___________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security > System on behalf of the University of Brighton. > For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ > ___________________________________________________________ > -- *Suo Hua* *Ph.D Student in Tecnologia e Progetto per l'Ambiente Costruito/Technology and Design for Environment and Building* *Il Dipartimento B.E.S.T.Dipartimento di Scienza e Tecnologie dell?Ambiente Costruito/ The Department of Building Environment Science & Technology* *Politecnico Di Milano* *Email:hua.suo at mail.polimi.it * *Tele:3890994652* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Additionally, there are eight diverse workshops, co-organized by SNEBRN, being offered on May 7 and 10 at Carleton University. IBPSA-Canada members, students, and early registrees (until _March 10_) will receive discounts on conference fees. Space is limited on all events to ensure high quality. Workshops include: 1. IES VE - Advanced Daylighting Analysis & Simulation and 90.1-2010 Energy Analysis for OPA Incentives 2. ESP-r/TRNSYS Harmonizer 3. Occupant Behaviour and Indoor Environments 4. Introduction to OpenStudio/EnergyPlus 5. Introduction to OpenStudio Measures 6. CAN-QUEST/eQUEST 7. Digitizing and modelling existing buildings for sustainability 8. EE4 Workshop descriptions can be found here . I look forward to seeing you on May 7-10 at eSim 2014 in Ottawa! 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Deleting the AIM-2 file from the model and using scheduled infiltration allows me to run the simulation, but does not allow me to use the correct air infiltration for my model. I'm also supplying ventilation to the house using scheduled air flows. I'm running ESP-r using Cygwin and the only error message I am getting is "STOP Error in AIM-2 input file." If anyone can shed some light on this it would be very much appreciated. -- Alexandra Giroux, EIT MASc Student Mechanical Engineering University of Waterloo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140304/5d1ce192/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Mar 6 16:24:04 2014 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 16:24:04 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] looking for an example model of embedded floor heating via system components Message-ID: I have watched over time as folk have developed the slab-on-grade hydronic heating component. I want to move from using the inject-into-thin-zone approach and apply it within the context of a residential scale system which is supplying a zoned e.g. ground level and multiple mid-level floor pipes embedded in concrete and driven from a boiler or heat pump. Rather than do it all from scratch I would like to create one and then compare with some one elses working example. Anyone have something I could use for testing? Regards, Jon Hand From nico_espinosa19 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 7 11:16:15 2014 From: nico_espinosa19 at hotmail.com (Nicolas Espinosa) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 12:16:15 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] blowing door simulation test... Message-ID: Dear esp-r users, I am currently planning to build a passive house. I have entered the geometry and I would like to calibrate correctly cracks through windows to represent the passivhaus standard ie max 0.6AC at 50 Pa. I have started to enter the air network following cookbook advices. In terms of lengh of the crack I took 1/10 of the window perimeter. Now it lasts to enter a crack width (common to all windows). This means that for each window I will have a crack proportional to its perimeter. I would like to make a kind of "blowing door" test to calibrate that crack width and respect the 0.6AC at 50 Pa (so that means without heating the house). 1) Is it something possible ? how should I proceed ? fix a 0.6AC flow rate with a fixed extract volume and then adjust the crack width accordingly to get 0.5 Pa delta P? 2) What is the typical day I should do that test (spring day not too hot, not too cold, not too wind ?). I imagine that the temperature plays an important r?le . Should I control the heating/cooling of the house to reach a constant temperature in all zones of the house while making that "blowing door simulation test" ? 3) Where can we check that we are effectively @ 50 Pa delta P between inlet of the building and outlet (pressure induced nodes)? Thanks for your help. Regards, Nicolas From cn06arc at leeds.ac.uk Fri Mar 7 12:37:58 2014 From: cn06arc at leeds.ac.uk (Andrew Cowie) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 12:37:58 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: blowing door simulation test... Message-ID: <75F69C13-7974-41BE-8BB0-4B547878D558@leeds.ac.uk> Hi Nicolas, 1. By setting your nodes as fixed pressure, you can force a 50 Pa pressure difference. All you would then have to do is calibrate the crack width to correspond to 0.6ACH by trial and error. Beware however that this may not be representative of real situations. 2. I'm afraid there is no easy answer, this is up to you. If you are forcing the pressure difference as described above then this shouldn't make too much difference (unless you are relying on temperature dependant nat. vent. phenomena such as stack ventilation). If you want to be thorough, I would recommend running the simulations under a wide range of climate cases. However if you are not looking to go that far in-depth, there is functionality in the "cli" module for analysing climate data and determining average conditions; perhaps this would be useful to you. 3. In the "res" module, under network flow metrics, you can check the nodal pressures. This should allow you to confirm your 50 Pa pressure difference. Hope this helps, Cheers, Andy Cowie ----- Reply message ----- From: "Nicolas Espinosa" To: "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" Subject: [esp-r] blowing door simulation test... Date: Fri, Mar 7, 2014 11:56 Dear esp-r users, I am currently planning to build a passive house. I have entered the geometry and I would like to calibrate correctly cracks through windows to represent the passivhaus standard ie max 0.6AC at 50 Pa. I have started to enter the air network following cookbook advices. In terms of lengh of the crack I took 1/10 of the window perimeter. Now it lasts to enter a crack width (common to all windows). This means that for each window I will have a crack proportional to its perimeter. I would like to make a kind of "blowing door" test to calibrate that crack width and respect the 0.6AC at 50 Pa (so that means without heating the house). 1) Is it something possible ? how should I proceed ? fix a 0.6AC flow rate with a fixed extract volume and then adjust the crack width accordingly to get 0.5 Pa delta P? 2) What is the typical day I should do that test (spring day not too hot, not too cold, not too wind ?). I imagine that the temperature plays an important r?le . Should I control the heating/cooling of the house to reach a constant temperature in all zones of the house while making that "blowing door simulation test" ? 3) Where can we check that we are effectively @ 50 Pa delta P between inlet of the building and outlet (pressure induced nodes)? Thanks for your help. Regards, Nicolas _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From A.Sdei at brighton.ac.uk Mon Mar 10 17:44:26 2014 From: A.Sdei at brighton.ac.uk (Arianna Sdei) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 17:44:26 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] cfc Message-ID: <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC3F90C2@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> Dear All, does anyone have a step- by -step approach to implement cfc into esp-r models? I know that in the latest version of ESP-r there is a built- in cfc database but I cannot find any simple explanation on how to use it. Let me know, thank you, Regards Arianna Arianna Sdei Research Fellow IFORE (Innovation For Renewal) UNIVERSITY OF BRIGHTON Moulsecoomb, Lewes Road, Brighton, BN2 4AT direct line: 0044 (0)2036747268 mobile: 0044 (0)7981739024 ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ ___________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sara Nikoofard, PhD From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Arianna Sdei Sent: March-10-14 11:44 AM To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club Subject: [esp-r] cfc Dear All, does anyone have a step- by -step approach to implement cfc into esp-r models? I know that in the latest version of ESP-r there is a built- in cfc database but I cannot find any simple explanation on how to use it. Let me know, thank you, Regards Arianna Arianna Sdei Research Fellow IFORE (Innovation For Renewal) UNIVERSITY OF BRIGHTON Moulsecoomb, Lewes Road, Brighton, BN2 4AT direct line: 0044 (0)2036747268 mobile: 0044 (0)7981739024 ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. 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From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Sat Mar 15 11:54:19 2014 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 12:54:19 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Optimum Heating Start - Up In-Reply-To: <1394639990.8998.2.camel@eee-neils.eee.strath.ac.uk> References: <1394639990.8998.2.camel@eee-neils.eee.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Amar, the information you give is a bit scarce to really be able to help. Apart from model details which may help (size, complexity, location, anything pertinent to possible heating conflicts like other controls), a) which heating controller are you referring to? b) are you using a plant? If yes, what time steps are you using? c) are there any error messages / warnings on the console or the application output window? In general, if you are not already using short time steps (i.e. 10 ts/h building side, 10 ts/bts plant side), doing so is often a good idea. Best Achim On Mar 12, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Amar Seeam wrote: > Has anyone got experience in the optimum heating start up function for > the heating controller. > > I have tried, but all I get are NaNs for temperature. > > What could I be doing wrong? > > Amar. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > achim.geissler at intergga.ch From ka8919 at korea.ac.kr Mon Mar 17 13:32:23 2014 From: ka8919 at korea.ac.kr (Wonuk Kim) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 22:32:23 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] Native windows version on Windows7 Message-ID: <000001cf41e5$54c952b0$fe5bf810$@ac.kr> Hi, I have been used EnergyPlus for building energy simulation. I want to compare ESP-r with EnergyPlus on controlling energy devices. I have tried several times to install native windows version on Windows7, but failed. It's hard to install. Would you send me a exe file of native windows version on Windows7? 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How to join the ESP-r development community: If you haven't already done so, head over to https://github.com/ and create an account. Send me your username, and I will add you to the ESP-r community. 2. How to find ESP-r on github: ESP-r is located here: https://github.com/ESP-rCommunity In the ESP-r community, you will find the following ESP-r projects: * ESP-rSource: The functional source code, installation scripts and test cases for building ESP-r. * ESP-rModels: Training, exemplars and validation models associated with ESP-r. * ESP-rDatabases: Core databases and climate files associated with the ESP-r distribution * ESP-rDoc: Documentation associated with the ESP-r project * ESP-rExtras: Extra files associated with the ESP-r project. Includes climate, model, training materials * CHREM: The Canadian Residential Energy Model Three of these projects (ESP-rModels, ESP-rDatabases and ESP-rDoc) were formerly subdirectories within the src directory in the old repository. I moved them into separate modules because there is a lot of commit traffic associated with these files, which makes it harder for developers to stay in sync with the master branch. These projects are still needed to build ESP-r; if you clone the ESP-rSource repository in git, git will recognize these as submodules and will pull them in automatically. I've also created a script that automates this for svn users (details below). 3. How to create a branch, and how to delete it In github, you can create and delete your own branches. To do so, click on the branch button and enter an appropriate name: [cid:image001.jpg at 01CF42BD.428F1840] I strongly encourage you to delete your branches regularly. Once you changes have been pushed to the master branch, delete your branch and start new development. This will make it easier to stay in sync. 4. How to recover a branch from the old repository I've kept a complete backup from the old repository; I can reconstitute branches (including their history) on the new repository. Let me know if you want me to resurrect a particular branch. 5. How to work with ESP-r source code USING SVN Obtaining the code github provides an SVN api that allows you to work with the ESP-r repository using svn commands. To download a local sandbox, use the checkout (co) command: svn co https://github.com/ESP-rCommunity/ESP-rSource.git/branches/[My-Branch-Name] For example, to obtain a sandbox from the master branch (formerly development_branch), run: svn co https://github.com/ESP-rCommunity/ESP-rSource.git/branches/master To reduce the amount of merges that developers are responsible for, I've moved the training, validation, databases and climate directories into separate git modules. Git can automatically resolve these submodules, but with svn, you'll need to check them out manually into your sandbox. I've created a script called svn-fetch-modules.sh. To use it, move to your sandbox and run './svn-fetch-modules.sh' ip-10-97-134-174:~ # cd master ip-10-97-134-174:~/master # ls .gitmodules .svn GPL.txt Install Readme Version src svn-fetch-modules.sh tester ip-10-97-134-174:~/master # ./svn-fetch-modules.sh svn-fetch-modules.pl: path: ~/master Checking out documentation via svn...-> doc.. A doc/README.md A doc/archive A data/databases/readme_plant_dbs Checked out revision 1. Setting svn ignore properties for databases, doc, models... property 'svn:ignore' set on '.' ip-10-97-134-174:~/master # ls .gitmodules .svn GPL.txt Install Readme Version data doc models src svn-fetch-modules.sh tester Compiling You're now ready to compile ESP-r. From the top directory in your sandbox (e.g. master), run ./Install. NOTE: Under the new directory structure, run Install from the top-most directory (i.e. 'master') and not the src sub-directory (i.e. master/src). Committing your changes >From within your sandbox, run svn commit as you would normally. Note that if you're making changes to the data, doc, or models directories, you'll have to make separate commits from within these directories. This is necessary because these directories are now separate git modules. Updating with changes on your branch >From within your sandbox, run svn update as you would normally. Merging changes svn merge will not work on github. Instead, I believe you can use the web tools on https://github.com to pull changes from the master branch and to push changes back to your branch. However, I'm still working out the details. More info to come. 6. How to work with ESP-r source code USING GIT Git is different than svn. It's more distributed, more robust and more powerful. But it's also more complicated and more confusing for beginners. I recommend reading: * Why svn users should switch to git: http://heartmindcode.com/2011/03/27/svn-users-why-you-should-switch-to-git/ * Git for svn users: http://git.or.cz/course/svn.html Update git Some older versions of git have proven unstable. Github recommends using git version 1.7.10 or later. Check your version using the command 'git version': ip-10-97-134-174:~/ESP-rSource/src # git version git version 1.7.12.4 Please update to a more recent version if your copy is out of date. Obtaining the code The git command 'clone' is similar to an 'svn checkout'. To clone the master branch, use the command: git clone --recursive https://github.com/ESP-rCommunity/ESP-rSource.git EXAMPLE: ip-10-97-134-174:~ # git clone --recursive https://github.com/ESP-rCommunity/ESP-rSource.git Cloning into 'ESP-rSource'... Receiving objects: 100% (45051/45051), 63.79 MiB | 30.61 MiB/s, done. Resolving deltas: 100% (33799/33799), done. The git clone command may seem like an svn checkout, but it's more comprehensive. When you run 'git clone', you actually make a fully-functional copy of the entire repository (including all branches). Your local repository is now a complete backup of the entire history on all branches of the repository. While your cloned repository contains a link to the github repository that allows you to synchronize changes (see git pull and git push, below), it also functions as a stand-alone repository. Inside the ESP-rSource Repository, you'll find the master branch (formerly development_branch) source code: ip-10-97-134-174:~ # cd ESP-rSource ip-10-97-134-174:~/ESP-rSource # ls .git .gitmodules GPL.txt Install Readme Version data doc models src svn-fetch-modules.sh tester Git will only show you one branch at a time in this repository. If you've cloned with the command above, you will find git has created a copy of the master branch in you the ESP-rSource directory. To find out which branch you're on, use the 'git branch' command ip-10-97-134-174:~/ESP-rSource # git branch * master You can also see a list of all branches in the repository: ip-10-97-134-174:~/ESP-rSource # git branch -a * master remotes/origin/Achim_Geissler remotes/origin/Alex_Ferguson remotes/origin/HEAD -> origin/master remotes/origin/NRCanOpt remotes/origin/h3k_switch remotes/origin/master To switch to another branch, use the command 'git checkout' ip-10-97-134-174:~/ESP-rSource # git checkout Alex_Ferguson Branch Alex_Ferguson set up to track remote branch Alex_Ferguson from origin. Switched to a new branch 'Alex_Ferguson' ip-10-97-134-174:~/ESP-rSource # git branch * Alex_Ferguson master For svn users, this is one of the most confusing aspects of git. A 'git checkout' doesn't download any code-it just switches between branches on a repository you've already cloned. Note: you can also clone the repository and checkout the branch in a single command: git clone -b [My-Branch-Name] --recursive https://github.com/ESP-rCommunity/ESP-rSource.git This is equivalent to running 'git clone' and then 'git checkout [my branch name] ' Compiling You're now ready to compile ESP-r. From the top directory in your branch (e.g. ESP-rSource), run ./Install. NOTE: Under the new directory structure, run Install from the top-most directory (i.e. 'master') and not the src subdirectory (i.e. master/src). Committing your changes The git 'commit' command is analogous to an svn commit, except it only commits it to your local repository. Remember, 'git clone' creates a fully-functional repository on your local machine. To pass your changes up to git hub you must also issue a 'git push'command. ip-10-97-134-174:~/ESP-rSource/src # git commit Readme [Alex_Ferguson 3876570] Test commit Committer: fergusoa Your name and email address were configured automatically based on your username and hostname. Please check that they are accurate. You can suppress this message by setting them explicitly: git config --global user.name "Your Name" git config --global user.email you at example.com After doing this, you may fix the identity used for this commit with: git commit --amend --reset-author 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+) ip-10-97-134-174:~/ESP-rSource/src # git push Username for 'https://github.com': fergusoa Password for 'https://fergusoa at github.com': Counting objects: 7, done. Delta compression using up to 16 threads. Compressing objects: 100% (4/4), done. Writing objects: 100% (4/4), 369 bytes, done. Total 4 (delta 2), reused 0 (delta 0) To https://github.com/ESP-rCommunity/ESP-rSource.git e84789b..3876570 Alex_Ferguson -> Alex_Ferguson Remember: Any changes you commit to your local git repository are not available on github until you issue a 'git push' command! Note that if you're making changes to the data, doc, or models directories, you'll have to make separate commits from within these directories. This is necessary because these directories are now separate git modules Updating with changes on your branch You can refresh your local repository with changes on github via the git pull command. Note that you may see traffic on other branches --- this is normal because your local git repository is a clone of the entire github repository (not just your branch). ip-10-97-134-174:~/ESP-rSource/src # git pull remote: Counting objects: 2, done. remote: Compressing objects: 100% (2/2), done. remote: Total 2 (delta 0), reused 0 (delta 0) Unpacking objects: 100% (2/2), done. >From https://github.com/ESP-rCommunity/ESP-rSource 8e205f1..0eb7055 Achim_Geissler -> origin/Achim_Geissler Already up-to-date. Merging changes You can use the web tools on https://github.com to pull changes from the master branch and to push changes back to your branch, or using the git merge command. However, I'm still working out the details. More info to come. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140318/715c3097/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 21268 bytes Desc: image001.jpg Url : http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140318/715c3097/attachment-0001.jpg From cn06arc at leeds.ac.uk Wed Mar 26 15:53:18 2014 From: cn06arc at leeds.ac.uk (Andrew Cowie) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 15:53:18 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] CFD - bouyancy modelling has no effect? Message-ID: Hi all, I've been running some simulations with the CFD in ESP-r, and I've noticed something that I consider a little odd. Simulations run with bouyancy modelling (full ideal gas law calcs) and local heat sources in the CFD domain (ie. casual gains assigned to source-type cells) give results which are identical to simulations run without these elements (ie. no bouyancy modelling at all and complete removal of the source-type cells). When I say identical, I mean that in every sense of the word; the unix command "diff" gives no output when comparing the CFD results output as ParaView files. I am curious as to why this may be; I would expect to see at least minor numerical differences in the CFD results with these features. Are these features automatically encapsulated within the adaptive conflation algorithms, overriding the CFD parameter file? Are they no longer supported? Do we know for a fact that these input parameters actually have any affect on the CFD calculations? If anyone can shed any light on this I'd be greatly appreciative. Cheers, Andy Cowie From aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk Thu Mar 27 12:23:18 2014 From: aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk (Aizaz Samuel) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 12:23:18 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: CFD - bouyancy modelling has no effect? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <37088BFAF036EC4CB7B5CE88A21E1BB51D1BE823@EX2010-MBX1.ds.strath.ac.uk> Andrew, I ran the CFD exemplar with and without buoyancy and found differences in the results. The dfd file used is room.dfd available within the air movement exemplar set. The module tested is dfs. I first ran the dfd file without modification (no buoyancy) and then extracted the monitored cell information (*mon file) from within dfs by choosing to not delete temporary files when dfs exits. I then changed the buoyancy line in the dfd file from "0" to "1 0.5" (1 sets the buoyancy calculation flag and 0.5 is the default under-relaxation) Then I ran the model through dfs again and extracted the mon file. The two mon files are different which implies the overall solution is different. Furthermore because dfs supplies results to bps during all conflation methods, bps based simulations will be different. Regards, Aizaz ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Andrew Cowie [cn06arc at leeds.ac.uk] Sent: 26 March 2014 15:53 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] CFD - bouyancy modelling has no effect? Hi all, I've been running some simulations with the CFD in ESP-r, and I've noticed something that I consider a little odd. Simulations run with bouyancy modelling (full ideal gas law calcs) and local heat sources in the CFD domain (ie. casual gains assigned to source-type cells) give results which are identical to simulations run without these elements (ie. no bouyancy modelling at all and complete removal of the source-type cells). When I say identical, I mean that in every sense of the word; the unix command "diff" gives no output when comparing the CFD results output as ParaView files. I am curious as to why this may be; I would expect to see at least minor numerical differences in the CFD results with these features. Are these features automatically encapsulated within the adaptive conflation algorithms, overriding the CFD parameter file? Are they no longer supported? Do we know for a fact that these input parameters actually have any affect on the CFD calculations? If anyone can shed any light on this I'd be greatly appreciative. Cheers, Andy Cowie _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From cn06arc at leeds.ac.uk Thu Mar 27 12:41:57 2014 From: cn06arc at leeds.ac.uk (Andrew Cowie) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 12:41:57 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: CFD - bouyancy modelling has no effect? Message-ID: <747E6806-2EF8-4571-BCC2-7663491F13A6@leeds.ac.uk> Thanks Aizaz, My apologies then, must be something to do with my models. Cheers, Andy Cowie Sent from my HTC ----- Reply message ----- From: "Aizaz Samuel" To: "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" Subject: [esp-r] Re: CFD - bouyancy modelling has no effect? Date: Thu, Mar 27, 2014 12:24 Andrew, I ran the CFD exemplar with and without buoyancy and found differences in the results. The dfd file used is room.dfd available within the air movement exemplar set. The module tested is dfs. I first ran the dfd file without modification (no buoyancy) and then extracted the monitored cell information (*mon file) from within dfs by choosing to not delete temporary files when dfs exits. I then changed the buoyancy line in the dfd file from "0" to "1 0.5" (1 sets the buoyancy calculation flag and 0.5 is the default under-relaxation) Then I ran the model through dfs again and extracted the mon file. The two mon files are different which implies the overall solution is different. Furthermore because dfs supplies results to bps during all conflation methods, bps based simulations will be different. Regards, Aizaz ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Andrew Cowie [cn06arc at leeds.ac.uk] Sent: 26 March 2014 15:53 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] CFD - bouyancy modelling has no effect? Hi all, I've been running some simulations with the CFD in ESP-r, and I've noticed something that I consider a little odd. Simulations run with bouyancy modelling (full ideal gas law calcs) and local heat sources in the CFD domain (ie. casual gains assigned to source-type cells) give results which are identical to simulations run without these elements (ie. no bouyancy modelling at all and complete removal of the source-type cells). When I say identical, I mean that in every sense of the word; the unix command "diff" gives no output when comparing the CFD results output as ParaView files. I am curious as to why this may be; I would expect to see at least minor numerical differences in the CFD results with these features. Are these features automatically encapsulated within the adaptive conflation algorithms, overriding the CFD parameter file? Are they no longer supported? Do we know for a fact that these input parameters actually have any affect on the CFD calculations? If anyone can shed any light on this I'd be greatly appreciative. Cheers, Andy Cowie _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From p.kainberger at tas-bauphysik.com Tue Apr 1 14:52:46 2014 From: p.kainberger at tas-bauphysik.com (Philipp Kainberger) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 15:52:46 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Import EPW climate data file problem Message-ID: <000901cf4db1$aa425de0$fec719a0$@tas-bauphysik.com> Dear All, when trying to import an epw climate file to esp-r I get following error message: Error 5007 writing weather database In /home/espr/Projekte/AUT_Salzburg.111500_IWEC.epw error reading (epw data line) EOF sensed. My System Infos (ESP-r release 12.0) is: SVN source - development_branch at r9828 (unmodified) Platform - i686:Linux:2.6.32-21-generic Compilers - gcc/g++/gfortran Graphics library - GTK XML output - Unsupported Can anybody help? Best regards Philipp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140401/6f0a6cb2/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Apr 1 19:36:40 2014 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 18:36:40 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Import EPW climate data file problem In-Reply-To: <000901cf4db1$aa425de0$fec719a0$@tas-bauphysik.com> References: <000901cf4db1$aa425de0$fec719a0$@tas-bauphysik.com> Message-ID: The EOF is expected - it got to the end of the EPW file. The Error 5007 is not expected. What command did you use to do the conversion? Try going to the folder where the EPW file lives and give the command at that point: clm -file AUT_Salzburg -act epw2bin silent AUT_Salzburg.11150_IWEC.epw this should create an ESP-r weather file AUT_Salzburg -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Philipp Kainberger [p.kainberger at tas-bauphysik.com] Sent: 01 April 2014 14:52 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Import EPW climate data file problem Dear All, when trying to import an epw climate file to esp-r I get following error message: Error 5007 writing weather database In /home/espr/Projekte/AUT_Salzburg.111500_IWEC.epw error reading (epw data line) EOF sensed. My System Infos (ESP-r release 12.0) is: SVN source - development_branch at r9828 (unmodified) Platform - i686:Linux:2.6.32-21-generic Compilers - gcc/g++/gfortran Graphics library - GTK XML output - Unsupported Can anybody help? Best regards Philipp From tanvir.morshed at gmail.com Sat Apr 5 00:21:31 2014 From: tanvir.morshed at gmail.com (Tanvir Morshed) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2014 05:21:31 +0600 Subject: [esp-r] Natural Ventilation Simulation - Discussion email list Message-ID: *Apologies for slightly off-center posting. I am wondering, is there any email list where natural ventilation simulation related issues are discussed. * *It is better if it is not about any specific simulation software rather discussion about natural ventilation simulation.* *Thanks in advance for any help.* -- *Tanvir Morshed * Lecturer, Department of Architecture, Stamford University Bangladesh Architect at archNUOVO consultant LEED Green Associate (USGBC), LEED Certification Consultant ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bachelor of Architecture (BUET, Dhaka), M.Sc in Low Carbon Building Design and Modelling (Loughborough University, UK) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Member - Institute of Architects Bangladesh (IAB), Graduate Member - Chartered Institution of Building Services Engineers (CIBSE), Phone: +88-02-9129596 Cell: +880-1946769681, +880-1714073852 Skype: tanvir.morshed17 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks for the help and continuous support. Kind regards, Dimitrios Sfakianakis MEng Research Assistant, Dept. Naval Architecture, Ocean and Marine Engineering, University of Strathclyde Kelvin Hydrodynamics Laboratory, Acre Road, Glasgow, G20 0TL T: +44 (0) 141 330 2648 (Ext 2648) M: +44 07514271592 E: dimitrios.sfakianakis at strath.ac.uk The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC015263. From Iain.Macdonald at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca Wed Apr 9 19:36:34 2014 From: Iain.Macdonald at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca (Macdonald, Iain) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 14:36:34 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Uncertainty Analysis In-Reply-To: <4388279F55D3434CACAFE7985985B3191D231591@EX2010-MBX1.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <4388279F55D3434CACAFE7985985B3191D231591@EX2010-MBX1.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: Dimitrios, >From memory there were several small bugs in the interface that were never resolved (primarily as I worked from text files when doing my PhD research). It has also been several years since I've even looked at the code so I have no idea what state it is in... which leads to the relevant documentation being the source code (as is the case for most of ESP-r), so I hope you can read fortran77. You can send me the model and I'll see if I can repeat what you are getting and try and figure out a workaround. Iain -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dimitrios Sfakianakis Sent: April-09-14 1:13 PM To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Uncertainty Analysis Dear List, I am trying to perform uncertainty analysis with ESP-r by activating the relevant module. I have gone through the relevant PhD thesis, followed the steps described and tried to set up a model but can't seem to make it work. I create the .ual file, define the parameters but the simulation stops and I get a list of random alphanumerical symbols in the command line. I am using a clean version of the development branch downloaded about a month ago. Is there any relevant documentation / tutorial / exemplar model on how to successfully use the uncertainty analysis function? Thanks for the help and continuous support. Kind regards, Dimitrios Sfakianakis MEng Research Assistant, Dept. Naval Architecture, Ocean and Marine Engineering, University of Strathclyde Kelvin Hydrodynamics Laboratory, Acre Road, Glasgow, G20 0TL T: +44 (0) 141 330 2648 (Ext 2648) M: +44 07514271592 E: dimitrios.sfakianakis at strath.ac.uk The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC015263. _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From Liam.OBrien at carleton.ca Thu Apr 10 00:32:58 2014 From: Liam.OBrien at carleton.ca (Liam O'Brien) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 19:32:58 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r/TRNSYS co-simulator workshop @ eSim 2014 - Ottawa, Canada - Canada's building simulation conference - May 7-10 In-Reply-To: <53136C0F.70103@cunet.carleton.ca> References: <53136C0F.70103@cunet.carleton.ca> Message-ID: <5345D8AA.9060602@cunet.carleton.ca> logo Dear ESP-r and TRNSYS users: Please note that a full-day workshop on ESP-r/TRNSYS co-simulation is being hosted as part of the eSim conference on May 7 in Ottawa. The instructors are Profs. Ian Beausoleil-Morrison and Michael Kummert and it's aimed at researchers and other advanced users. Please see eSim.ca for all details and registration. I look forward to seeing you on May 7-10 at eSim 2014 in Ottawa! Liam O'Brien eSim 2014 Chair -- William (Liam) O'Brien, PhD Assistant Professor, Architectural Conservation and Sustainability Engineering Carleton University Canal Building, 5208 (613) 520-2600 ext. 8037 http://humanbuildinginteractionlab.wordpress.com/ eSim 2014:Canada's Building Simulation Conference (eSim.ca) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140409/3e2121e7/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Jon Hand https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17785121/esp-r_cookbook_feb_2014_90.pdf https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17785121/video_tutorials/Ten_minute_design_flow_network_wc.mp4 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17785121/video_tutorials/creating_flow_net_wc.mp4 ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Tanvir Morshed [tanvir.morshed at gmail.com] Sent: 05 April 2014 00:21 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Natural Ventilation Simulation - Discussion email list Apologies for slightly off-center posting. I am wondering, is there any email list where natural ventilation simulation related issues are discussed. It is better if it is not about any specific simulation software rather discussion about natural ventilation simulation. Thanks in advance for any help. -- Tanvir Morshed Lecturer, Department of Architecture, Stamford University Bangladesh Architect at archNUOVO consultant LEED Green Associate (USGBC), LEED Certification Consultant [X] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bachelor of Architecture (BUET, Dhaka), M.Sc in Low Carbon Building Design and Modelling (Loughborough University, UK) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Member - Institute of Architects Bangladesh (IAB), Graduate Member - Chartered Institution of Building Services Engineers (CIBSE), Phone: +88-02-9129596 Cell: +880-1946769681, +880-1714073852 Skype: tanvir.morshed17 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr Thu Apr 17 15:41:20 2014 From: gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr (=?utf-8?B?R8O8bCBOaWhhbCBHw7zEn8O8bA==?=) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 15:41:20 +0100 (BST) Subject: [esp-r] casual gains and electricity consumption Message-ID: <1397745680.87336.YahooMailNeo@web172206.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Dear All, ? My question is when I define lights and small power equipment in "casual gains"? section of "operqtional details" section, effect of energy consumption of these equipments is considered in heating demand. when esp-r is calculating electricity consumption does it take these values into account? ? Thanks ? Regards ? Gul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140417/c6ed04f3/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Apr 17 15:54:43 2014 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 14:54:43 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: casual gains and electricity consumption In-Reply-To: <1397745680.87336.YahooMailNeo@web172206.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> References: <1397745680.87336.YahooMailNeo@web172206.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Internal gains are added into the zone energy balance and so will have an impact on heating and/or cooling environmental controls. There is also a toggle in the operations to allow you to include electrical characteristics of lighting and small power entities (e.g. voltage, phase, power factor, leading/lagging) and if the model includes an electrical components network then the zone casual gains can be taken into account in the electrical power simulation. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of G?l Nihal G???l [gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr] Sent: 17 April 2014 15:41 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] casual gains and electricity consumption Dear All, My question is when I define lights and small power equipment in "casual gains" section of "operqtional details" section, effect of energy consumption of these equipments is considered in heating demand. when esp-r is calculating electricity consumption does it take these values into account? Thanks Regards Gul From nick at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Apr 17 16:04:47 2014 From: nick at esru.strath.ac.uk (Nicolas Kelly) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 15:04:47 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: casual gains and electricity consumption In-Reply-To: <1397745680.87336.YahooMailNeo@web172206.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> References: <1397745680.87336.YahooMailNeo@web172206.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <59A3A18FEE12144080A6437056094E0515C150F7@EX2010-MBX2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Dear Gul, ESP-r only calculates the electrical demand if you explicitly define the electrical characteristics of the casual gains that you are interested in such as lighting or small power loads. There are two means of accessing electrical information. 1) When defining the casual gains for each zone there is an ?electrical data? option, which allows you to put in the electrical data for each gain. ESP-r will then calculate the electrical demand of each load for which electrical data has been defined and you can then access the aggregate zone electrical demand through the results module. 2) A more advanced option is to define an electrical network in ESP-r (which requires some electrical knowledge) and link the casual gains (with electrical data) into that network; this allows you to model linked networks of microgenerators, building loads and HVAC equipment and explicitly track electrical power flows. There are a couple of exemplars with electrical networks ? the sports centre with CHP and the factory with the PV fa?ade. Regards, Nick Kelly ------------------------------------------------------------ Dr Nick Kelly Senior Lecturer Department of Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering and Associate Director Energy Systems Research Unit University of Strathclyde James Weir Building (Rm 8.14c) 75 Montrose St Glasgow G1 1XJ t: +44 (0)141 574 5083 e: nicolas.kelly at strath.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------ [Description: THE LOGO 2013] The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC015263 From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of G?l Nihal G?g?l Sent: 17 April 2014 15:41 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] casual gains and electricity consumption Dear All, My question is when I define lights and small power equipment in "casual gains" section of "operqtional details" section, effect of energy consumption of these equipments is considered in heating demand. when esp-r is calculating electricity consumption does it take these values into account? 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Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 6002 bytes Desc: image001.jpg Url : http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140417/33be7392/attachment-0001.jpg From gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr Mon Apr 21 09:12:37 2014 From: gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr (=?utf-8?B?R8O8bCBOaWhhbCBHw7zEn8O8bA==?=) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 09:12:37 +0100 (BST) Subject: [esp-r] Yan: Re: casual gains and electricity consumption In-Reply-To: <59A3A18FEE12144080A6437056094E0515C150F7@EX2010-MBX2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <1397745680.87336.YahooMailNeo@web172206.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <59A3A18FEE12144080A6437056094E0515C150F7@EX2010-MBX2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1398067957.88863.YahooMailNeo@web172202.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Dear Nicolas and Jon, ? Thank you so much for your help.?These informations solved my problem. ? Best regards ? Gul ? 17 Nis 2014 18:05 Per?embe tarihinde Nicolas Kelly ??yle yazd?: Dear Gul, ? ESP-r only calculates the electrical demand if you explicitly define the electrical characteristics of the casual gains that you are interested in such as lighting or small power loads. There are two means of accessing electrical information. ? ? 1)????? When defining the casual gains for each zone there is an ?electrical data? option, which allows you to put in the electrical data for each gain. ESP-r will then calculate the electrical demand of each load for which electrical data has been defined and you can then access the aggregate zone electrical demand through the results module. ? 2)????? A more advanced option is to define an electrical network in ESP-r (which requires some electrical knowledge) and link the casual gains (with electrical data) into that network; this allows you to model linked networks of microgenerators, building loads and HVAC equipment and explicitly track electrical power flows. ? There are a couple of exemplars with electrical networks ? the sports centre with CHP and the factory with the PV fa?ade. ? Regards, ? Nick Kelly ------------------------------------------------------------ Dr Nick Kelly Senior Lecturer Department of Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering? and Associate Director Energy Systems Research Unit University of Strathclyde James Weir Building (Rm 8.14c) 75 Montrose St Glasgow G1 1XJ t: +44 (0)141 574 5083 e: nicolas.kelly at strath.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------ The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC015263 ? From:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of G?l Nihal G?g?l Sent: 17 April 2014 15:41 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] casual gains and electricity consumption ? Dear All, ? My question is when I define lights and small power equipment in "casual gains"? section of "operqtional details" section, effect of energy consumption of these equipments is considered in heating demand. when esp-r is calculating electricity consumption does it take these values into account? ? Thanks ? Regards ? Gul _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140421/b039c23b/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 6002 bytes Desc: image001.jpg Url : http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140421/b039c23b/attachment-0001.jpg From gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr Mon Apr 21 09:19:34 2014 From: gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr (=?utf-8?B?R8O8bCBOaWhhbCBHw7zEn8O8bA==?=) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 09:19:34 +0100 (BST) Subject: [esp-r] negatif energy saving Message-ID: <1398068374.9321.YahooMailNeo@web172201.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Dear All, ? My question is about enegy saving when changing the glass or insulation material in a model house. ? I have done some schenarios. For example, the model house has 12 mm air filled double glass, and I changed this material with 12 mm air filled triple glass. And in another schenario I changed the thickness of insulation material. The model house has 80 mm insulation and I?changed this with 120 mm insulation, also I changed the "k" value of insulation material. ? I compared the hourly simulation results. In some hours, ? -energy consumption of the model in triple glass was more than the energy consumption in double glass -energy consumption of the model in 120 mm insulation was more than the energy consumption in 80 mm insulation. ? Is it possible? or does it mean that there is something wrong in the model? ? Thank you so much for your help. ? Best ? Gul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140421/430b0b73/attachment-0001.html From grobe at gmx.net Mon Apr 21 16:26:08 2014 From: grobe at gmx.net (Lars O. Grobe) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 17:26:08 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: negatif energy saving In-Reply-To: <1398068374.9321.YahooMailNeo@web172201.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> References: <1398068374.9321.YahooMailNeo@web172201.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <53553890.4080609@gmx.net> Hi G?l, where is the building located, and what kind of energy demand do you observe? If you have an actively-cooled building in a climate with high temperatures during the day and low temperatures during the night, increasing the insulation without air exchange during night hours might actually lead to an increase in energy demand. So a controlled ventilation should drastically improve this... Cheers, iyi ?al??malar, Lars. > Dear All, > > My question is about enegy saving when changing the glass or insulation > material in a model house. > > I have done some schenarios. For example, the model house has 12 mm air > filled double glass, and I changed this material with 12 mm air filled > triple glass. And in another schenario I changed the thickness of > insulation material. The model house has 80 mm insulation and I changed > this with 120 mm insulation, also I changed the "k" value of insulation > material. > > I compared the hourly simulation results. In some hours, > > -energy consumption of the model in triple glass was more than the > energy consumption in double glass > -energy consumption of the model in 120 mm insulation was more than the > energy consumption in 80 mm insulation. > > Is it possible? or does it mean that there is something wrong in the model? > > Thank you so much for your help. > > Best > > Gul From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Mon Apr 21 16:28:52 2014 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 17:28:52 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: negativ energy saving In-Reply-To: <1398068374.9321.YahooMailNeo@web172201.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> References: <1398068374.9321.YahooMailNeo@web172201.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <16F70ED6-381A-4AEF-85F4-457A38108FA5@intergga.ch> Dear Gul, as always, some questions in regard to your model: are you heating and cooling? Is the overall consumption (for the whole year) as expected? What type of climate (heating, cooling, "neutral") are you considering? Some ideas: the triple glazing will have a lower g-value (SHGC), thus it may be possible that (for low overall loads) due to reduced solar gain slightly (?) higher heating loads can result. Also, due to higher level of insulation, there may be hours in which again due to solar loads a higher cooling load can result. Do you have solar control (blinds) active? Best Achim On Apr 21, 2014, at 10:19 AM, G?l Nihal G???l wrote: > Dear All, > > My question is about enegy saving when changing the glass or insulation material in a model house. > > I have done some schenarios. For example, the model house has 12 mm air filled double glass, and I changed this material with 12 mm air filled triple glass. And in another schenario I changed the thickness of insulation material. The model house has 80 mm insulation and I changed this with 120 mm insulation, also I changed the "k" value of insulation material. > > I compared the hourly simulation results. In some hours, > > -energy consumption of the model in triple glass was more than the energy consumption in double glass > -energy consumption of the model in 120 mm insulation was more than the energy consumption in 80 mm insulation. > > Is it possible? or does it mean that there is something wrong in the model? > > Thank you so much for your help. > > Best > > Gul > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140421/01ab6e8e/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Apr 22 08:53:12 2014 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 07:53:12 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: negativ energy saving In-Reply-To: <16F70ED6-381A-4AEF-85F4-457A38108FA5@intergga.ch> References: <1398068374.9321.YahooMailNeo@web172201.mail.ir2.yahoo.com>, <16F70ED6-381A-4AEF-85F4-457A38108FA5@intergga.ch> Message-ID: There are several reports in the results analysis tool which can help. ESP-r provides an energy balance report at the zone air point so you can find out all of the gains and losses over a period of time. And the same can be done for each surface in the model over a period of time. And what also helps is to have a base case model which is the same except for the the better glazing or insulated walls. Then you can do a side-by-side comparison of performance (if you have a big monitor you can run res on both sets of results file simultaneously). Hints on how to use res are in a chapter of the ESP-r Cookbook. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Achim Geissler [achim.geissler at intergga.ch] Sent: 21 April 2014 16:28 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club Subject: [esp-r] Re: negativ energy saving Dear Gul, as always, some questions in regard to your model: are you heating and cooling? Is the overall consumption (for the whole year) as expected? What type of climate (heating, cooling, "neutral") are you considering? Some ideas: the triple glazing will have a lower g-value (SHGC), thus it may be possible that (for low overall loads) due to reduced solar gain slightly (?) higher heating loads can result. Also, due to higher level of insulation, there may be hours in which again due to solar loads a higher cooling load can result. Do you have solar control (blinds) active? Best Achim On Apr 21, 2014, at 10:19 AM, G?l Nihal G???l > wrote: Dear All, My question is about enegy saving when changing the glass or insulation material in a model house. I have done some schenarios. For example, the model house has 12 mm air filled double glass, and I changed this material with 12 mm air filled triple glass. And in another schenario I changed the thickness of insulation material. The model house has 80 mm insulation and I changed this with 120 mm insulation, also I changed the "k" value of insulation material. I compared the hourly simulation results. In some hours, -energy consumption of the model in triple glass was more than the energy consumption in double glass -energy consumption of the model in 120 mm insulation was more than the energy consumption in 80 mm insulation. Is it possible? or does it mean that there is something wrong in the model? Thank you so much for your help. Best Gul _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch From gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr Tue Apr 22 08:05:50 2014 From: gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr (=?utf-8?B?R8O8bCBOaWhhbCBHw7zEn8O8bA==?=) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 08:05:50 +0100 (BST) Subject: [esp-r] Yan: Re: negatif energy saving In-Reply-To: <53553890.4080609@gmx.net> References: <1398068374.9321.YahooMailNeo@web172201.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <53553890.4080609@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1398150350.52243.YahooMailNeo@web172206.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Hi Lars, ? My building is located in a cold climate. winter temperature is between -10 and 10 oC.?And I just have energy demand for heating the building, there is no cooling.? ? In insulation schenario there is not too much negative values but when I change double glass with triple glass there are too much negative values,?that is 5% of the hours energy demand in triple glass is more than in double glass, during?one year. ? In fact I also tried?this in a very simple model with one room, in order to see if I have something wrong with my model, I also had some negative values in triple glass schenario. ? Thanks for your help iyi ?al??malar Best wishes ? Gul ? 21 Nis 2014 18:29 Pazartesi tarihinde Lars O. Grobe ??yle yazd?: Hi G?l, where is the building located, and what kind of energy demand do you observe? If you have an actively-cooled building in a climate with high temperatures during the day and low temperatures during the night, increasing the insulation without air exchange during night hours might actually lead to an increase in energy demand. So a controlled ventilation should drastically improve this... Cheers, iyi ?al??malar, Lars. > Dear All, >? > My question is about enegy saving when changing the glass or insulation > material in a model house. >? > I have done some schenarios. For example, the model house has 12 mm air > filled double glass, and I changed this material with 12 mm air filled > triple glass. And in another schenario I changed the thickness of > insulation material. The model house has 80 mm insulation and I changed > this with 120 mm insulation, also I changed the "k" value of insulation > material. >? > I compared the hourly simulation results. In some hours, >? > -energy consumption of the model in triple glass was more than the > energy consumption in double glass > -energy consumption of the model in 120 mm insulation was more than the > energy consumption in 80 mm insulation. >? > Is it possible? or does it mean that there is something wrong in the model? >? > Thank you so much for your help. >? > Best >? > Gul _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140422/329c0ed4/attachment.html From gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr Tue Apr 22 08:14:48 2014 From: gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr (=?utf-8?B?R8O8bCBOaWhhbCBHw7zEn8O8bA==?=) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 08:14:48 +0100 (BST) Subject: [esp-r] Yan: Re: negativ energy saving In-Reply-To: <16F70ED6-381A-4AEF-85F4-457A38108FA5@intergga.ch> References: <1398068374.9321.YahooMailNeo@web172201.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <16F70ED6-381A-4AEF-85F4-457A38108FA5@intergga.ch> Message-ID: <1398150888.58325.YahooMailNeo@web172204.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Hi Achim, ? My building is in a cold climate and I?am heating the building, there is no cooling and overall consumption is as expected.? ? Also, I dont have active blinds. ? Thank you for your help ? Best Gul ? ? 21 Nis 2014 18:30 Pazartesi tarihinde Achim Geissler ??yle yazd?: Dear Gul, as always, some questions in regard to your model: are you heating and cooling? Is the overall consumption (for the whole year) as expected? What type of climate (heating, cooling, "neutral") are you considering?? Some ideas: the triple glazing will have a lower g-value (SHGC), thus it may be possible that (for low overall loads) due to reduced solar gain slightly (?) higher heating loads can result. Also, due to higher level of insulation, there may be hours in which again due to solar loads a higher cooling load can result. Do you have solar control (blinds) active? Best Achim On Apr 21, 2014, at 10:19 AM, G?l Nihal G???l wrote: Dear All, > >My question is about enegy saving when changing the glass or insulation material in a model house. > >I have done some schenarios. For example, the model house has 12 mm air filled double glass, and I changed this material with 12 mm air filled triple glass. And in another schenario I changed the thickness of insulation material. The model house has 80 mm insulation and I?changed this with 120 mm insulation, also I changed the "k" value of insulation material. > >I compared the hourly simulation results. In some hours, > >-energy consumption of the model in triple glass was more than the energy consumption in double glass >-energy consumption of the model in 120 mm insulation was more than the energy consumption in 80 mm insulation. > >Is it possible? or does it mean that there is something wrong in the model? > >Thank you so much for your help. > >Best > >Gul > >_______________________________________________ >esp-r mailing list >esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Arianna Arianna Sdei Research Fellow IFORE (Innovation For Renewal) UNIVERSITY OF BRIGHTON Moulsecoomb, Lewes Road, Brighton, BN2 4AT direct line: 0044 (0)2036747268 mobile: 0044 (0)7981739024 ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ ___________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140424/651e0e1f/attachment.html From achim.geissler at fhnw.ch Fri Apr 25 07:24:08 2014 From: achim.geissler at fhnw.ch (Geissler Achim) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 06:24:08 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: CFC In-Reply-To: <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC3FC3A2@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> References: <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC3FC3A2@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> Message-ID: Dear Arianna, the recent changes had two points of focus: a) Increase number of possible shading devices - now pleated blinds, roller blinds and drapes are possible b) Implementation of standard ESP-r data base for setup of CFCs - now the external "GSLedit" is no longer necessary. The data base included in the distribution of ESP-r also features some blinds. Setting up a CFC has not generally changed from before, I would think (however, I have not set up a CFC model from scratch since the code extensions so cannot really help, here). Best Achim Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Arianna Sdei Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. April 2014 17:36 An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club; esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: [esp-r] CFC Dear All, I am looking into Bart Lomanowski's thesis so I can use CFC. I can see that the functionality of ESP-r have changed since the thesis was published and I would like to ask: what exactly has it changed in the latest version? Does any of you has an updated step by step procedure to implement CFC into ESP-r? Is there any existing library of shading devices? I look forward to hearing from you, thank you. Regards. Arianna Arianna Sdei Research Fellow IFORE (Innovation For Renewal) UNIVERSITY OF BRIGHTON Moulsecoomb, Lewes Road, Brighton, BN2 4AT direct line: 0044 (0)2036747268 mobile: 0044 (0)7981739024 ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ ___________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140425/fb8ef5f3/attachment.html From A.Sdei at brighton.ac.uk Fri Apr 25 16:40:20 2014 From: A.Sdei at brighton.ac.uk (Arianna Sdei) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 15:40:20 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: CFC In-Reply-To: References: <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC3FC3A2@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> Message-ID: <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC3FC5B9@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> Hi Achim, thank you for your answer. On Bart Lomanowski's thesis setting up a shading starts with: Step 1: Create an entry in the materials database for the shade layer. I can see that there are layers already in the database, do I need to still create an entry in the material database as a first step? There is no explanation or help around apart from Bart's thesis on how to use CFC so while trying myself I have generated and error, I have selected "copy file from common to model", that modified the file CFClayers.db1.a in ESP-r/databases so now I get the following error message when I open a file: "Failed in /opt/esru/esp-r/databases/CFClayers.db1.a: conversion of no items value in **" What does that mean? Thank you for your help. Regards, Arianna From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Geissler Achim Sent: 25 April 2014 07:24 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club Subject: [esp-r] Re: CFC Dear Arianna, the recent changes had two points of focus: a) Increase number of possible shading devices - now pleated blinds, roller blinds and drapes are possible b) Implementation of standard ESP-r data base for setup of CFCs - now the external "GSLedit" is no longer necessary. The data base included in the distribution of ESP-r also features some blinds. Setting up a CFC has not generally changed from before, I would think (however, I have not set up a CFC model from scratch since the code extensions so cannot really help, here). Best Achim Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Arianna Sdei Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. April 2014 17:36 An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club; esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: [esp-r] CFC Dear All, I am looking into Bart Lomanowski's thesis so I can use CFC. I can see that the functionality of ESP-r have changed since the thesis was published and I would like to ask: what exactly has it changed in the latest version? Does any of you has an updated step by step procedure to implement CFC into ESP-r? Is there any existing library of shading devices? I look forward to hearing from you, thank you. Regards. Arianna Arianna Sdei Research Fellow IFORE (Innovation For Renewal) UNIVERSITY OF BRIGHTON Moulsecoomb, Lewes Road, Brighton, BN2 4AT direct line: 0044 (0)2036747268 mobile: 0044 (0)7981739024 ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ ___________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ ___________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ ___________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140425/49ec3cb8/attachment-0001.html From gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr Mon Apr 28 15:47:25 2014 From: gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr (=?utf-8?B?R8O8bCBOaWhhbCBHw7zEn8O8bA==?=) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 15:47:25 +0100 (BST) Subject: [esp-r] different heating consumption values for the same day Message-ID: <1398696445.33908.YahooMailNeo@web172205.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Dear All, ? My question is; For the same model I make 2 simulations; one of which is between 1 of november and 11 of november. My second simulation is between?2 of november and 11 of november. ? As it is seen both of the simulations includes 2 of November. When I compare these two simulation results for 2 of november they have different heating consumptions. ? If anyone knows why it happens I will be so happy. ? Thank you for your help and time. ? best wishes ? Gul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140428/5ee836b3/attachment.html From cn06arc at leeds.ac.uk Mon Apr 28 16:31:22 2014 From: cn06arc at leeds.ac.uk (Andrew Cowie) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 16:31:22 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: different heating consumption values for the same day Message-ID: Hi Gul, Some thoughts on your issue: 1. How many start-up days are you running for each simulation? As a first option, I would suggest running them with somewhere in the region of 60 start-up days and see what happens. 2. What climate data are you using? If you are using imported data which does not cover the whole year, check the data file and the data as reported in the cli module very carefully to ensure that esp-r knows exactly what data goes where. 3. I am not 100% sure how the start-up days work in esp-r, but just to be safe I would make sure your climate data covers the entire period assuming the start-up days are just tacked on to the beginning of the simulation. 4. What modelling domains are you running? Particularly, are you using plant networks or CFD? If you are running either of these, I think the default behaviour is for them to be disabled during the start-up days; this well be why you are seeing differences. Best regards, Andy Cowie Sent from my HTC ----- Reply message ----- From: "G?l Nihal G???l" To: "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" Subject: [esp-r] different heating consumption values for the same day Date: Mon, Apr 28, 2014 16:11 Dear All, My question is; For the same model I make 2 simulations; one of which is between 1 of november and 11 of november. My second simulation is between 2 of november and 11 of november. As it is seen both of the simulations includes 2 of November. When I compare these two simulation results for 2 of november they have different heating consumptions. If anyone knows why it happens I will be so happy. Thank you for your help and time. best wishes Gul From achim.geissler at fhnw.ch Mon Apr 28 16:49:03 2014 From: achim.geissler at fhnw.ch (Geissler Achim) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 15:49:03 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: different heating consumption values for the same day In-Reply-To: <1398696445.33908.YahooMailNeo@web172205.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> References: <1398696445.33908.YahooMailNeo@web172205.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi G?l, what is your startup-period? If this is not long enough, you will likely get differences in the first days of the actual simulation period. Best Achim Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von G?l Nihal G?g?l Gesendet: Montag, 28. April 2014 16:47 An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: [esp-r] different heating consumption values for the same day Dear All, My question is; For the same model I make 2 simulations; one of which is between 1 of november and 11 of november. My second simulation is between 2 of november and 11 of november. As it is seen both of the simulations includes 2 of November. When I compare these two simulation results for 2 of november they have different heating consumptions. If anyone knows why it happens I will be so happy. Thank you for your help and time. best wishes Gul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140428/f48faf99/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Apr 28 17:57:49 2014 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 16:57:49 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: different heating consumption values for the same day In-Reply-To: <1398696445.33908.YahooMailNeo@web172205.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> References: <1398696445.33908.YahooMailNeo@web172205.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The way startup days work in ESP-r is: Say the simulation is for the month of February and there are 10 days startup then the pre-simulation period includes the last 10 days in January. During the startup period nothing is written into the results files. So.... what is happening on the 1st of November? It could be that something happening on that day is having an influence on the 2nd? You do not give a magnitude to the difference in heating consumption. It might only be the first hour of the initial day of the simulation that is different? Look at timestep data in addition to summary information. And double check that there are no other differences between the model that begins on the 1st and the one that begins on the 2nd. Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of G?l Nihal G???l [gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr] Sent: 28 April 2014 15:47 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] different heating consumption values for the same day Dear All, My question is; For the same model I make 2 simulations; one of which is between 1 of november and 11 of november. My second simulation is between 2 of november and 11 of november. As it is seen both of the simulations includes 2 of November. When I compare these two simulation results for 2 of november they have different heating consumptions. If anyone knows why it happens I will be so happy. Thank you for your help and time. best wishes Gul From kgobakis at isc.tuc.gr Fri May 9 20:51:53 2014 From: kgobakis at isc.tuc.gr (Kostas Gobakis) Date: Fri, 09 May 2014 22:51:53 +0300 Subject: [esp-r] I2pv In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <536D31D9.2030907@isc.tuc.gr> Hi all, Reading this paper http://strathprints.strath.ac.uk/40522/1/p401_final.pdf along with the manual, i was wondering where we can find the i2pv. I search with google with no results. Kostas From mabotcle at etsii.upv.es Fri May 16 17:27:11 2014 From: mabotcle at etsii.upv.es (Matias Bottarini Clerici) Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 18:27:11 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Shading-insolation file error while simulating Message-ID: <20140516182711.172624tuqn6alnj3@webmail.upv.es> Dear all, I've found some problems before simulation is commenced. A message pops up saying: 'Could not find "cfg/../zones/Room_1.shd" 'Continue' ' Zone 1 shading/insolation file cannot be opened.' In order to define the shading obstructions and calculations, I followed all the instructions in the Cookbook plus some other advices like leaving 10 mm between obstructions and zone objects. I checked that the files 'Room_1.shd' and the ASCII 'Room_1.shda' were created in the 'zones' file. Everything seems to be in place. In fact, I can open the 'ish' platform without problems and the shading factor calculations seems to be ok. I've checked the paths of the zone folders in the 'folders & files' option in the Project Manager, and everything it's ok. I've tried to delete and re-define the obstructions and create from scratch the '.shd' files. On the other hand, I've openend the exemplar 'simple/building_shading.cfg' (the one that is defined in the Cookbook) and ran a simulation without problems... I'm using the X11 interface on a Cygwin simulator, so in order to see if there is any problem with the file execution paths, I've tried to open my 'Project.cfg' file from: ~/home/models and ~/home/models/Project and the message stills popping up... I don't know what else to do, Any idea of what could be the problem or some process to follow? THank you very much, Matias From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Fri May 16 20:05:48 2014 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 21:05:48 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Shading-insolation file error while simulating In-Reply-To: <20140516182711.172624tuqn6alnj3@webmail.upv.es> References: <20140516182711.172624tuqn6alnj3@webmail.upv.es> Message-ID: Hi Matias, have you tried firing up esp-r from the /cfg folder of your model? I have often found that the most robust (the cfg/../zones ? looks slightly strange). Best Achim On May 16, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Matias Bottarini Clerici wrote: > Dear all, > > I've found some problems before simulation is commenced. A message > pops up saying: > > 'Could not find "cfg/../zones/Room_1.shd" 'Continue' > > ' Zone 1 shading/insolation file cannot be opened.' > > > In order to define the shading obstructions and calculations, I > followed all the instructions in the Cookbook plus some other advices > like leaving 10 mm between obstructions and zone objects. > > I checked that the files 'Room_1.shd' and the ASCII 'Room_1.shda' were > created in the 'zones' file. Everything seems to be in place. In fact, > I can open the 'ish' platform without problems and the shading factor > calculations seems to be ok. > > I've checked the paths of the zone folders in the 'folders & files' > option in the Project Manager, and everything it's ok. > > I've tried to delete and re-define the obstructions and create from > scratch the '.shd' files. > > On the other hand, I've openend the exemplar > 'simple/building_shading.cfg' (the one that is defined in the > Cookbook) and ran a simulation without problems... > > I'm using the X11 interface on a Cygwin simulator, so in order to see > if there is any problem with the file execution paths, I've tried to > open my 'Project.cfg' file from: > > ~/home/models and ~/home/models/Project > > and the message stills popping up... > > I don't know what else to do, > > Any idea of what could be the problem or some process to follow? > > THank you very much, > > Matias > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > achim.geissler at intergga.ch From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri May 16 21:19:34 2014 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 20:19:34 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Shading-insolation file error while simulating In-Reply-To: <20140516182711.172624tuqn6alnj3@webmail.upv.es> References: <20140516182711.172624tuqn6alnj3@webmail.upv.es> Message-ID: Some changes in the solution technique allow obstructions to touch surfaces generally without problem. The advise on working within the model cfg folder is good. The other location that works is running prj from one level up e.g. if the model folder is hospital and there is hospital/cfg/hospital.cfg then if you start prj from the folder above hospital e.g. prj -file hospital it will find hospital/cfg/hospital.cfg. At least it does on Linux boxes. If you are invoking esp-r from within a cygwin terminal then it should follow the Linux pattern. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Matias Bottarini Clerici [mabotcle at etsii.upv.es] Sent: 16 May 2014 17:27 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Shading-insolation file error while simulating Dear all, I've found some problems before simulation is commenced. A message pops up saying: 'Could not find "cfg/../zones/Room_1.shd" 'Continue' ' Zone 1 shading/insolation file cannot be opened.' In order to define the shading obstructions and calculations, I followed all the instructions in the Cookbook plus some other advices like leaving 10 mm between obstructions and zone objects. I checked that the files 'Room_1.shd' and the ASCII 'Room_1.shda' were created in the 'zones' file. Everything seems to be in place. In fact, I can open the 'ish' platform without problems and the shading factor calculations seems to be ok. I've checked the paths of the zone folders in the 'folders & files' option in the Project Manager, and everything it's ok. I've tried to delete and re-define the obstructions and create from scratch the '.shd' files. On the other hand, I've openend the exemplar 'simple/building_shading.cfg' (the one that is defined in the Cookbook) and ran a simulation without problems... I'm using the X11 interface on a Cygwin simulator, so in order to see if there is any problem with the file execution paths, I've tried to open my 'Project.cfg' file from: ~/home/models and ~/home/models/Project and the message stills popping up... I don't know what else to do, Any idea of what could be the problem or some process to follow? THank you very much, Matias _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From mabotcle at etsii.upv.es Fri May 16 23:39:56 2014 From: mabotcle at etsii.upv.es (Matias Bottarini Clerici) Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 00:39:56 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Shading-insolation file error while simulating Message-ID: <20140517003956.177266n366z6o8n0@webmail.upv.es> Hi Achim, Done! It's fixed, I had to prove to execute the folder from there too. Thank you for the idea, Happy Mati Achim Geissler escribi?: > Hi Matias, > > have you tried firing up esp-r from the /cfg folder of your model? I > have often found that the most robust (the cfg/../zones ? looks > slightly strange). > > Best > Achim > > > > On May 16, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Matias Bottarini Clerici > wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> I've found some problems before simulation is commenced. A message >> pops up saying: >> >> 'Could not find "cfg/../zones/Room_1.shd" 'Continue' >> >> ' Zone 1 shading/insolation file cannot be opened.' >> >> >> In order to define the shading obstructions and calculations, I >> followed all the instructions in the Cookbook plus some other advices >> like leaving 10 mm between obstructions and zone objects. >> >> I checked that the files 'Room_1.shd' and the ASCII 'Room_1.shda' were >> created in the 'zones' file. Everything seems to be in place. In fact, >> I can open the 'ish' platform without problems and the shading factor >> calculations seems to be ok. >> >> I've checked the paths of the zone folders in the 'folders & files' >> option in the Project Manager, and everything it's ok. >> >> I've tried to delete and re-define the obstructions and create from >> scratch the '.shd' files. >> >> On the other hand, I've openend the exemplar >> 'simple/building_shading.cfg' (the one that is defined in the >> Cookbook) and ran a simulation without problems... >> >> I'm using the X11 interface on a Cygwin simulator, so in order to see >> if there is any problem with the file execution paths, I've tried to >> open my 'Project.cfg' file from: >> >> ~/home/models and ~/home/models/Project >> >> and the message stills popping up... >> >> I don't know what else to do, >> >> Any idea of what could be the problem or some process to follow? >> >> THank you very much, >> >> Matias >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> esp-r mailing list >> esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r >> > > achim.geissler at intergga.ch > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Achim Geissler Subject: [esp-r] Re: Shading-insolation file error while simulating Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 21:05:48 +0200 Size: 6015 Url: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140517/89d3f455/attachment.mht From cheard at prodigy.net.mx Wed May 28 03:13:19 2014 From: cheard at prodigy.net.mx (Christopher Heard) Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 21:13:19 -0500 Subject: [esp-r] moisture networks a "how to" guide anywhere? Message-ID: I am trying to get a model of a simple log cabin to match measured data - I have managed reasonably well with the temperatures but the modelled relative humidity swings a lot more than the measured values. Given that the construction is untreated bare fir logs then there must be a lot of moisture adsorption going on which damps out the R.H. swings from the considerable infiltration.I have been looking for a guide to how to set up a moisture network (I only have one zone!) - looking at the Synopsis of the model House with moisture modelling in living room.I suppose the key is in option k "Adaptive gridding and moisture" in the Zone Composition menu however the help doesn't seem to get beyond option "c" and this is option.?And then the help on selecting a zone is:??"There are four adaptive gridding files which must be specifiedfor each zone to which such gridding is to be applied.?? The moisture file holds moisture transport data for nodes.?? The 3D control volumes file defines...<< ? >>?? The 3D control volumes connections file defines...<< ? >>?? The 3D nodes coordinates file defines...<< ? >>?? The 3D nodes temperatures file defines...<< ? >>?To proceed with adaptive gridding you first have to...? ?<< instructions to be added >>?Check documentation for more information. "The Cookbook doesn't seem to have anything much on moisture modelling.??The paper "Moisture flow modelling within the ESP-r integrated building performance simulation system" by J. Clarke is helpful on the capabilities available.??I have also looked through?Abdullatif E. Nakhi's thesis???I have probably overlooked an obvious source of "how to" or are there dragons here???Could someone please point me in the right direction.??Christopher Heard??Mexico City -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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To apply email CV, covering letter and research proposal to Lewisk2 at cf.ac.uk Two full-time PhD studentships jointly funded by the WSA and EPSRC will be awarded in two of six areas: * The Role of Environmental Design and Building Simulation Tools in Design Thinking * Digital Fabrication and Robotics in Architectural Design * A Multidisciplinary Building Physics Tool Set * Understanding Household Energy Behaviours and Practices * Sustainable Building Conservation * Social Aspects of Sustainable Performance of Buildings Further details: http://courses.cardiff.ac.uk/funding/R2277.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140528/1eed3a95/attachment.html From achim.geissler at fhnw.ch Thu Jun 5 09:12:45 2014 From: achim.geissler at fhnw.ch (Geissler Achim) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 08:12:45 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: moisture networks a "how to" guide anywhere? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Christopher, this has been lying around a while - it seems nobody has any readily available information, so in case you haven't dropped or solved the issue, here is my limited knowledge on this topic: - The adaptive gridding code is broken, as far as I have been able to find out. Some time ago, I attempted to get an exemplar running (including some code changes) but did not succeed - To have surfaces consider absorption of humidity, I think you do not need the adaptive gridding. However, it has been quite a while that I have used this so sadly cannot really help. Best Achim Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Christopher Heard Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Mai 2014 04:13 An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: [esp-r] moisture networks a "how to" guide anywhere? I am trying to get a model of a simple log cabin to match measured data - I have managed reasonably well with the temperatures but the modelled relative humidity swings a lot more than the measured values. Given that the construction is untreated bare fir logs then there must be a lot of moisture adsorption going on which damps out the R.H. swings from the considerable infiltration. I have been looking for a guide to how to set up a moisture network (I only have one zone!) - looking at the Synopsis of the model House with moisture modelling in living room. I suppose the key is in option k "Adaptive gridding and moisture" in the Zone Composition menu however the help doesn't seem to get beyond option "c" and this is option. And then the help on selecting a zone is: "There are four adaptive gridding files which must be specified for each zone to which such gridding is to be applied. The moisture file holds moisture transport data for nodes. The 3D control volumes file defines...<< ? >> The 3D control volumes connections file defines...<< ? >> The 3D nodes coordinates file defines...<< ? >> The 3D nodes temperatures file defines...<< ? >> To proceed with adaptive gridding you first have to... << instructions to be added >> Check documentation for more information. " The Cookbook doesn't seem to have anything much on moisture modelling. The paper "Moisture flow modelling within the ESP-r integrated building performance simulation system" by J. Clarke is helpful on the capabilities available. I have also looked through Abdullatif E. Nakhi's thesis I have probably overlooked an obvious source of "how to" or are there dragons here? Could someone please point me in the right direction. Christopher Heard Mexico City -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Does anybody have any experience with the feature "link loops to zone(s)"? *Regards* *Kristine Gr?bergsveen* *NTNU* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140609/1a5dd1b2/attachment.html From aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk Mon Jun 9 14:08:22 2014 From: aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk (Aizaz Samuel) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2014 14:08:22 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Link plant to zones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5395B1C6.2010205@strath.ac.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140609/6d16620a/attachment.html From adwone1 at gmail.com Mon Jun 9 15:14:55 2014 From: adwone1 at gmail.com (Adam Wills) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 10:14:55 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Link plant to zones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Kristine, The hydronic floor model in ESP-r is unique because it does not require the plant to zone link. In the parameters for the component, the flux injection node is specified. - Adam Wills On 9 Jun 2014 05:56, "Kristine Gr?bergsveen" < kristine.grabergsveen at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear ESP-r users, > > I'm trying to model a thermal solar plant for space heating that delivers > heat through a hydronic floor. All the needed components are available in > the database, and the plant works fine with the right connections and > containments. The problem occurs when control strategy is applied, when I > have to link the plant to zones. ESP-r establishes an own zone control > loop, in addition to the plant control I established. When starting a > simulation, the window shuts down immediately without any errors or > warnings. Does anybody have any experience with the feature "link loops to > zone(s)"? > > > *Regards* > > > *Kristine Gr?bergsveen* > > *NTNU* > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140609/62b7aba6/attachment.html From bjorn.jenssen at skanska.no Tue Jun 10 08:48:54 2014 From: bjorn.jenssen at skanska.no (=?utf-8?B?SmVuc3NlbiwgQmrDuHJu?=) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 07:48:54 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Has ESP-r finally been validated according to EN 15265 and EN 15255? Message-ID: Hello Has ESP-r finally been validated according to EN 15265 and EN 15255? If yes, where do I find the documentation? PS: Found some mails from Georgios and Gunter regarding this topic in the archive, se below, but did not find any documentation or confirmation regarding the validation. Best regards, Bj?rn Jenssen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. ing. Bj?rn Jenssen Seniorr?dgiver Skanska Teknikk Drammensveien 60 0271 Oslo Mob: +47 466 20 582 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [esp-r] Re: validation of ESP-r according to EN 15265 and EN 15255 Georgios Kokogiannakis georgios at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Nov 27 14:46:10 GMT 2008 ? Previous message: [esp-r] validation of ESP-r according to EN 15265 and EN 15255 ? Next message: [esp-r] Installing the new version of ESP-r om Ubunto version 8.10 ? Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] ________________________________________ Dear Gunter, I have worked on the ESP-r's modelling of the 15265 tests during the last month or so. I have completed the tests and it was necessary to develop specific code to deal with two parts of the specifications: 1) to impose global solar radiation on vertical west facing surfaces 2) to account for time shifting of all schedules (including heating and cooling setpoints) between summer and winter. The code is only in my branch and it will probably be in the next official release of ESP-r. However, to complete the tests I am puzzled with another point in the specifications and here is where I need your advice (or the advice of someone who is familiar with these specifications): -I can not figure out the optical properties for ESP-r based on what I read in this Standard. There are two types of glazing (shaded double and just double) and the Standard defines transmittance, absorptance and reflectance of the window glazing components plus the g-value. However, it also says that all these solar parameters are considered as independet of the solar angle!!! I will have to use WIS or WINDOW5 to get the angular data for ESP-r but I am not sure how to interpret the specifications. Can you advise me on this (or better: can you send me the angular data for these glazing systems)? These tests seem to be very sensitive on the type of optics used. If I figure out the details on the optics I can make sure that the next version of ESP-r includes the required code for these tests and that ESRU will publish a report for your needs. However, I am not aware if there is anybody working on the 15255 (the other Standard that you mention). Regards, Georgios On Tuesday 25 November 2008 12:55, Pueltz, Gunter wrote: > Dear ESRUs, > > in respect of energy efficincy the indoor quality of buildings can be > evaluated according to EN 15251. > This evaluation includes thermal comfort in winter and thermal comfort > in summer - and some additional criteria, e.g. indoor air quality, > lighting quality, etc. > > Concerning the thermal comfort EN 15251 proposes room based (zonal) > thermal simulations for the prediction of room temperatures. > But EN 15251 requires thermal simulation tools (like ESP -r), which > have been validated according to European Standards EN 15265 and EN 15255 > (see chapter 8.3.1 of EN 15251:2007). > Due to these requirements of EN 15251 my questions: > - Has ESP-r been validated to these test cases in EN 15265 and EN 15255 ? > - In case of is an official validation certificate for ESP-r available > from ESRU ? > > Your answers might be interesting for several users of ESP-r, which are > included into certification processes for sustainable buildings. > > Kind regards, > Gunter > > -- > Dr. Gunter P?ltz > > M?ller-BBM GmbH > Robert-Koch-Stra?e 11 > 82152 Planegg > Telefon +49 (0)89 85602 - 336 > Telefax +49 (0)89 85602 - 111 > http://www.MuellerBBM.de > > HRB M?nchen 86143 > Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Bernd Gr?zinger, Dr. Edwin Schorer, Norbert Suritsch This message, including any attachments hereto, may contain privileged or confidential information and is sent solely for the attention and use of the intended addressee(s). If you are not an intended addressee, you may neither use this message nor copy or deliver it to anyone. In such case, you should immediately destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Thank you. From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Jun 10 10:00:41 2014 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:00:41 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Has ESP-r finally been validated according to EN 15265 and EN 15255? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There are 13791 and 15265 sub-folders with the src/validation folder within the ESP-r distribution. These include a range of models associated with these schemes. There is a doc folder with more information. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Jenssen, Bj?rn [bjorn.jenssen at skanska.no] Sent: 10 June 2014 08:48 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Cc: georgios at esru.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Has ESP-r finally been validated according to EN 15265 and EN 15255? Hello Has ESP-r finally been validated according to EN 15265 and EN 15255? If yes, where do I find the documentation? PS: Found some mails from Georgios and Gunter regarding this topic in the archive, se below, but did not find any documentation or confirmation regarding the validation. Best regards, Bj?rn Jenssen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. ing. Bj?rn Jenssen Seniorr?dgiver Skanska Teknikk Drammensveien 60 0271 Oslo Mob: +47 466 20 582 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [esp-r] Re: validation of ESP-r according to EN 15265 and EN 15255 Georgios Kokogiannakis georgios at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Nov 27 14:46:10 GMT 2008 ? Previous message: [esp-r] validation of ESP-r according to EN 15265 and EN 15255 ? Next message: [esp-r] Installing the new version of ESP-r om Ubunto version 8.10 ? Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] ________________________________________ Dear Gunter, I have worked on the ESP-r's modelling of the 15265 tests during the last month or so. I have completed the tests and it was necessary to develop specific code to deal with two parts of the specifications: 1) to impose global solar radiation on vertical west facing surfaces 2) to account for time shifting of all schedules (including heating and cooling setpoints) between summer and winter. The code is only in my branch and it will probably be in the next official release of ESP-r. However, to complete the tests I am puzzled with another point in the specifications and here is where I need your advice (or the advice of someone who is familiar with these specifications): -I can not figure out the optical properties for ESP-r based on what I read in this Standard. There are two types of glazing (shaded double and just double) and the Standard defines transmittance, absorptance and reflectance of the window glazing components plus the g-value. However, it also says that all these solar parameters are considered as independet of the solar angle!!! I will have to use WIS or WINDOW5 to get the angular data for ESP-r but I am not sure how to interpret the specifications. Can you advise me on this (or better: can you send me the angular data for these glazing systems)? These tests seem to be very sensitive on the type of optics used. If I figure out the details on the optics I can make sure that the next version of ESP-r includes the required code for these tests and that ESRU will publish a report for your needs. However, I am not aware if there is anybody working on the 15255 (the other Standard that you mention). Regards, Georgios On Tuesday 25 November 2008 12:55, Pueltz, Gunter wrote: > Dear ESRUs, > > in respect of energy efficincy the indoor quality of buildings can be > evaluated according to EN 15251. > This evaluation includes thermal comfort in winter and thermal comfort > in summer - and some additional criteria, e.g. indoor air quality, > lighting quality, etc. > > Concerning the thermal comfort EN 15251 proposes room based (zonal) > thermal simulations for the prediction of room temperatures. > But EN 15251 requires thermal simulation tools (like ESP -r), which > have been validated according to European Standards EN 15265 and EN 15255 > (see chapter 8.3.1 of EN 15251:2007). > Due to these requirements of EN 15251 my questions: > - Has ESP-r been validated to these test cases in EN 15265 and EN 15255 ? > - In case of is an official validation certificate for ESP-r available > from ESRU ? > > Your answers might be interesting for several users of ESP-r, which are > included into certification processes for sustainable buildings. > > Kind regards, > Gunter > > -- > Dr. Gunter P?ltz > > M?ller-BBM GmbH > Robert-Koch-Stra?e 11 > 82152 Planegg > Telefon +49 (0)89 85602 - 336 > Telefax +49 (0)89 85602 - 111 > http://www.MuellerBBM.de > > HRB M?nchen 86143 > Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Bernd Gr?zinger, Dr. Edwin Schorer, Norbert Suritsch This message, including any attachments hereto, may contain privileged or confidential information and is sent solely for the attention and use of the intended addressee(s). If you are not an intended addressee, you may neither use this message nor copy or deliver it to anyone. In such case, you should immediately destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Thank you. _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn Tue Jun 10 10:47:59 2014 From: Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn (Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 17:47:59 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Has ESP-r finally been validated according to EN 15265 and EN 15255? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3DF95F8960733145B77ECBF9575F5F67553B0BD67D@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn> Hi Bjorn, The quick answer is yes for the 15265, and partly for 15255. Unfortunately, the only documentation that I am aware of for EN 15265 is at "Appendix E" of my PhD (http://strathprints.strath.ac.uk/7816/1/strathprints007816.pdf). Do you need the documentation in a specific format or would what is inside Appendix E be enough for your purposes? I remember that we also wrote a report about that 6-7 years ago and it was formatted according to the guidelines of the Standard. However, the report never made it out to be published at ESRU's website at that time. Not sure if I still have it somewhere within my back-up files. As Jon mentioned the 15265 tests are also publicly available in several branches and you probably have them in your folders too (look inside the validation folder). I have just run Test 1 of 15265 with a generally recent version of ESP-r (6 months old) and I get exactly the same results as the ones produced 6-7 years ago and are reported in Appendix E. In other words, the results in Appendix E are probably the same as the ones you would get with the current version of ESP-r. Generating these results (for 15265) was automated at that time by pressing the validation button in Project Manager but that specific functionality for 15265 tests only was lost after a period of time, perhaps due to changes in other parts of ESP-r. Regarding 15255, I am not aware of anyone who has managed to fully complete them and produce the relevant documents. Having said that, me and Paul Strachan did look at them in the past and we did come very close to completing them. Best regards, Georgios -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jenssen, Bj?rn Sent: 10 June 2014 15:49 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Cc: georgios at esru.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Has ESP-r finally been validated according to EN 15265 and EN 15255? Hello Has ESP-r finally been validated according to EN 15265 and EN 15255? If yes, where do I find the documentation? PS: Found some mails from Georgios and Gunter regarding this topic in the archive, se below, but did not find any documentation or confirmation regarding the validation. Best regards, Bj?rn Jenssen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. ing. Bj?rn Jenssen Seniorr?dgiver Skanska Teknikk Drammensveien 60 0271 Oslo Mob: +47 466 20 582 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [esp-r] Re: validation of ESP-r according to EN 15265 and EN 15255 Georgios Kokogiannakis georgios at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Nov 27 14:46:10 GMT 2008 ? Previous message: [esp-r] validation of ESP-r according to EN 15265 and EN 15255 ? Next message: [esp-r] Installing the new version of ESP-r om Ubunto version 8.10 ? Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] ________________________________________ Dear Gunter, I have worked on the ESP-r's modelling of the 15265 tests during the last month or so. I have completed the tests and it was necessary to develop specific code to deal with two parts of the specifications: 1) to impose global solar radiation on vertical west facing surfaces 2) to account for time shifting of all schedules (including heating and cooling setpoints) between summer and winter. The code is only in my branch and it will probably be in the next official release of ESP-r. However, to complete the tests I am puzzled with another point in the specifications and here is where I need your advice (or the advice of someone who is familiar with these specifications): -I can not figure out the optical properties for ESP-r based on what I read in this Standard. There are two types of glazing (shaded double and just double) and the Standard defines transmittance, absorptance and reflectance of the window glazing components plus the g-value. However, it also says that all these solar parameters are considered as independet of the solar angle!!! I will have to use WIS or WINDOW5 to get the angular data for ESP-r but I am not sure how to interpret the specifications. Can you advise me on this (or better: can you send me the angular data for these glazing systems)? These tests seem to be very sensitive on the type of optics used. If I figure out the details on the optics I can make sure that the next version of ESP-r includes the required code for these tests and that ESRU will publish a report for your needs. However, I am not aware if there is anybody working on the 15255 (the other Standard that you mention). Regards, Georgios On Tuesday 25 November 2008 12:55, Pueltz, Gunter wrote: > Dear ESRUs, > > in respect of energy efficincy the indoor quality of buildings can be > evaluated according to EN 15251. > This evaluation includes thermal comfort in winter and thermal comfort > in summer - and some additional criteria, e.g. indoor air quality, > lighting quality, etc. > > Concerning the thermal comfort EN 15251 proposes room based (zonal) > thermal simulations for the prediction of room temperatures. > But EN 15251 requires thermal simulation tools (like ESP -r), which > have been validated according to European Standards EN 15265 and EN > 15255 (see chapter 8.3.1 of EN 15251:2007). > Due to these requirements of EN 15251 my questions: > - Has ESP-r been validated to these test cases in EN 15265 and EN 15255 ? > - In case of is an official validation certificate for ESP-r available > from ESRU ? > > Your answers might be interesting for several users of ESP-r, which > are included into certification processes for sustainable buildings. > > Kind regards, > Gunter > > -- > Dr. Gunter P?ltz > > M?ller-BBM GmbH > Robert-Koch-Stra?e 11 > 82152 Planegg > Telefon +49 (0)89 85602 - 336 > Telefax +49 (0)89 85602 - 111 > http://www.MuellerBBM.de > > HRB M?nchen 86143 > Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Bernd Gr?zinger, Dr. Edwin Schorer, Norbert Suritsch This message, including any attachments hereto, may contain privileged or confidential information and is sent solely for the attention and use of the intended addressee(s). 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This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with The University of Nottingham Ningbo China may be monitored as permitted by UK and Chinese legislation. From gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr Wed Jun 11 10:18:06 2014 From: gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr (=?utf-8?B?R8O8bCBOaWhhbCBHw7zEn8O8bA==?=) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:18:06 +0100 (BST) Subject: [esp-r] pv simulation Message-ID: <1402478286.87827.YahooMailNeo@web172203.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Dear all; ? I have two questions about pv. I am working on the cellular pv example of esp-r. I added a zone to this model and changed the location of pv panel from manager_a to my zone. ? When I simulate this model, its wririntg as follows many times for different zones; ? "MZELWE: a longwave flux of -1276.9 W/m2 has been calculated for roof:roof( components: sky= -1230.2 (T=263), buildings=-13.8(T=362.9), ground= A correlation long wave flux value of -657.2 W/m2 will be used instead" ? What does it mean? Does it mean that there is something wrong about climate? ? Also I need the hourly electricity produced by pv, in order to get this information, I make result analysis and?I select "electrical results". When I select "grahps" I can see the 8760 value created for whole year. But when I select tabular report to ger these values this gived me only 500 values, I can not get the 8760 value. ? If anyone can helpp I will be so happy. Thank you for your time. ? Best wishes ? Gul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140611/702f6245/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Jun 11 15:03:54 2014 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 14:03:54 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: MZELWE warnings Message-ID: ESP-r derives the sky temperature from current weather data (which is humidity sensitive) and then uses this in the calculation of longwave radiant heat losses from surfaces in the model. Some surfaces (especially those that are lightweight e.g. metal over insulation) at particular orientations can produce these warnings. It is thus a combination of: where the surface is located, what it is made of and the current ambient temperature and humidity. If I saw it a dozen times over a season I would not worry. Sometimes it helps to use shorter simulation timesteps. Sometimes increasing the outer layer thickness 1mm also helps. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of G?l Nihal G???l [gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr] Sent: 11 June 2014 10:18 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] pv simulation Dear all; I have two questions about pv. I am working on the cellular pv example of esp-r. I added a zone to this model and changed the location of pv panel from manager_a to my zone. When I simulate this model, its wririntg as follows many times for different zones; "MZELWE: a longwave flux of -1276.9 W/m2 has been calculated for roof:roof( components: sky= -1230.2 (T=263), buildings=-13.8(T=362.9), ground= A correlation long wave flux value of -657.2 W/m2 will be used instead" What does it mean? Does it mean that there is something wrong about climate? Also I need the hourly electricity produced by pv, in order to get this information, I make result analysis and I select "electrical results". When I select "grahps" I can see the 8760 value created for whole year. But when I select tabular report to ger these values this gived me only 500 values, I can not get the 8760 value. If anyone can helpp I will be so happy. Thank you for your time. Best wishes Gul From gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr Tue Jun 17 12:48:18 2014 From: gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr (=?utf-8?B?R8O8bCBOaWhhbCBHw7zEn8O8bA==?=) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 12:48:18 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Yan: Re: MZELWE warnings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1403005698.54267.YahooMailNeo@web172205.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Dear Jon, Thank you for your reply to my email. And do you have an idea for my second question "Also I need the hourly electricity produced by pv, in order to get this information, I make result analysis and I select "electrical results". When I select "grahps" I can see the 8760 value created for whole year. But when I select tabular report to get these values this gives me only 500 values, I can not get the 8760 value." How can I get the hourly electricity data for one year created by pv? Thanks for your time Best wishes? Gul 11 Haziran 2014 17:04 ?ar?amba tarihinde Jon Hand ??yle yazd?: ESP-r derives the sky temperature from current weather data (which is humidity sensitive) and then uses this in the calculation of longwave radiant heat losses from surfaces in the model. Some surfaces (especially those that are lightweight e.g. metal over insulation) at particular orientations can produce these warnings. It is thus a combination of: where the surface is located, what it is made of and the current ambient temperature and humidity. If I saw it a dozen times over a season I would not worry.? Sometimes it helps to use shorter simulation timesteps.? Sometimes increasing the outer layer thickness 1mm also helps. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of G?l Nihal G???l [gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr] Sent: 11 June 2014 10:18 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r]? pv simulation Dear all; I have two questions about pv. I am working on the cellular pv example of esp-r. I added a zone to this model and changed the location of pv panel from manager_a to my zone. When I simulate this model, its wririntg as follows many times for different zones; "MZELWE: a longwave flux of -1276.9 W/m2 has been calculated for roof:roof( components: sky= -1230.2 (T=263), buildings=-13.8(T=362.9), ground= A correlation long wave flux value of -657.2 W/m2 will be used instead" What does it mean? Does it mean that there is something wrong about climate? Also I need the hourly electricity produced by pv, in order to get this information, I make result analysis and I select "electrical results". When I select "grahps" I can see the 8760 value created for whole year. But when I select tabular report to ger these values this gived me only 500 values, I can not get the 8760 value. If anyone can helpp I will be so happy. Thank you for your time. Best wishes Gul _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140617/984eb6d9/attachment.html From achim.geissler at fhnw.ch Tue Jun 17 16:03:48 2014 From: achim.geissler at fhnw.ch (Geissler Achim) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 15:03:48 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Yan: Re: MZELWE warnings In-Reply-To: <1403005698.54267.YahooMailNeo@web172205.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> References: <1403005698.54267.YahooMailNeo@web172205.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear G?l, are you writing tabular output to a file? If so, be sure to flush the file (i.e. switch output back to "screen") before leaving res. Best Achim Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von G?l Nihal G?g?l Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Juni 2014 13:48 An: Jon Hand; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: [esp-r] Yan: Re: MZELWE warnings Dear Jon, Thank you for your reply to my email. And do you have an idea for my second question "Also I need the hourly electricity produced by pv, in order to get this information, I make result analysis and I select "electrical results". When I select "grahps" I can see the 8760 value created for whole year. But when I select tabular report to get these values this gives me only 500 values, I can not get the 8760 value." How can I get the hourly electricity data for one year created by pv? Thanks for your time Best wishes Gul 11 Haziran 2014 17:04 ?ar?amba tarihinde Jon Hand > ??yle yazd?: ESP-r derives the sky temperature from current weather data (which is humidity sensitive) and then uses this in the calculation of longwave radiant heat losses from surfaces in the model. Some surfaces (especially those that are lightweight e.g. metal over insulation) at particular orientations can produce these warnings. It is thus a combination of: where the surface is located, what it is made of and the current ambient temperature and humidity. If I saw it a dozen times over a season I would not worry. Sometimes it helps to use shorter simulation timesteps. Sometimes increasing the outer layer thickness 1mm also helps. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of G?l Nihal G???l [gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr] Sent: 11 June 2014 10:18 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] pv simulation Dear all; I have two questions about pv. I am working on the cellular pv example of esp-r. I added a zone to this model and changed the location of pv panel from manager_a to my zone. When I simulate this model, its wririntg as follows many times for different zones; "MZELWE: a longwave flux of -1276.9 W/m2 has been calculated for roof:roof( components: sky= -1230.2 (T=263), buildings=-13.8(T=362.9), ground= A correlation long wave flux value of -657.2 W/m2 will be used instead" What does it mean? Does it mean that there is something wrong about climate? Also I need the hourly electricity produced by pv, in order to get this information, I make result analysis and I select "electrical results". When I select "grahps" I can see the 8760 value created for whole year. But when I select tabular report to ger these values this gived me only 500 values, I can not get the 8760 value. If anyone can helpp I will be so happy. Thank you for your time. Best wishes Gul _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140617/beab4e75/attachment-0001.html From kgobakis at isc.tuc.gr Fri Jun 27 16:21:12 2014 From: kgobakis at isc.tuc.gr (Kostas Gobakis) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 18:21:12 +0300 Subject: [esp-r] CFD analysis problem Message-ID: <53AD8BE8.9000501@isc.tuc.gr> Hi, I have run the example model CFD_room1.cfg. The simulation ended OK and generate an 12Mb file (libc, activate the CFD solver) along with 297Kb file with the normal results (CFD_room1.res). I can analyse the .res file fine. When i go to CFD, enter the file name libc the program response "No CFD zone detected". I try the res file but the following error pup up "CFD header fault. Cannot read file". What i am missing here? Thanks in advance, Kostas Gompakis From cn06arc at leeds.ac.uk Fri Jun 27 16:47:19 2014 From: cn06arc at leeds.ac.uk (Andrew Cowie) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 16:47:19 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: CFD analysis problem Message-ID: Hi Kostas, How long is the simulation taking? If it is taking a suspiciously short time you may be getting NaNs creeping into the CFD, I have had frequent problems with this in the past and it does tend to confuse the res module. Check the monitoring output to ensure this is not happening. Also, you are right in that you need the "libc" file for the CFD results. The "XYZ.res" file is entirely different. Regards, Andy Cowie Sent from my HTC ----- Reply message ----- From: "Kostas Gobakis" To: "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" Subject: [esp-r] CFD analysis problem Date: Fri, Jun 27, 2014 16:30 Hi, I have run the example model CFD_room1.cfg. The simulation ended OK and generate an 12Mb file (libc, activate the CFD solver) along with 297Kb file with the normal results (CFD_room1.res). I can analyse the .res file fine. When i go to CFD, enter the file name libc the program response "No CFD zone detected". I try the res file but the following error pup up "CFD header fault. Cannot read file". What i am missing here? Thanks in advance, Kostas Gompakis _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From ahmadi.armaghan at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 16:02:30 2014 From: ahmadi.armaghan at gmail.com (armaghan a) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 17:02:30 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Plant simulation Message-ID: dear madam/sir, I am a PhD candidate of urban design and my dissertation is about the effect of urban streets on energy consumption of residential buildings in hot and dry climate. I am looking for finding a software to simulate energy consumption inside a typical building in different streets and it is important for me to simulate green spaces out side the buildings. I understood that Esp -r can simulate plant inside the buildings, how about outside? Is this software useful for my simulation? I am looking forward to hear from you. Best regards, Armaghan. -- Armaghan Ahmadi, PhD Candidate of Urban Design, Faculty of Architecture and Urban Planning, Shahid Beheshti University, Tehran, Iran. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If your question is can ESP-r model things like green roof designs there is a group in China who are working on an explicit model of the heat and moisture transfer of green roof designs (work in progress). -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of armaghan a [ahmadi.armaghan at gmail.com] Sent: 07 July 2014 16:02 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Plant simulation dear madam/sir, I am a PhD candidate of urban design and my dissertation is about the effect of urban streets on energy consumption of residential buildings in hot and dry climate. I am looking for finding a software to simulate energy consumption inside a typical building in different streets and it is important for me to simulate green spaces out side the buildings. I understood that Esp -r can simulate plant inside the buildings, how about outside? Is this software useful for my simulation? I am looking forward to hear from you. Best regards, Armaghan. -- Armaghan Ahmadi, PhD Candidate of Urban Design, Faculty of Architecture and Urban Planning, Shahid Beheshti University, Tehran, Iran. From arnau.girona.2013 at uni.strath.ac.uk Wed Jul 30 20:53:43 2014 From: arnau.girona.2013 at uni.strath.ac.uk (Arnau Girona) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 19:53:43 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] CHP fuel cell Message-ID: <1406750023254.37892@uni.strath.ac.uk> Dear all, I am trying to simulate the performance of a CHP fuel cell for a building. I want to try different types/ sizes of fuel cells to supply the heating demand of a room/building - the electricity produced is either used in the building or sent to the grid. I have found different fuel cells in the list of components of ESP-r: 1. Three node description of a residential fuel cell. (Generic type: fuel cell) 2. Three node description for a residential fuel cell (Generic type: -node residential SOFC with 2 connections) 3. PEM CHP fuel cell system supplying WCH loop; 1 node model 4. Empirical PEM hydrogen cogeneration fuel cell 5. IEA/ECBCS Annex 42 FC-cogeneration model. Which FC is better to use for this case? Can I find information about the technical settings of any of the FC? Is there any good exemplar available with a FC CHP system? Thanks in advance, Arnau Girona -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I want to try different types/ sizes of fuel cells to supply the heating demand of a room/building ? the electricity produced is either used in the building or sent to the grid. > I have found different fuel cells in the list of components of ESP-r: > Three node description of a residential fuel cell. (Generic type: fuel cell) > Three node description for a residential fuel cell (Generic type: -node residential SOFC with 2 connections) > PEM CHP fuel cell system supplying WCH loop; 1 node model > Empirical PEM hydrogen cogeneration fuel cell > IEA/ECBCS Annex 42 FC-cogeneration model. > Which FC is better to use for this case? > Can I find information about the technical settings of any of the FC? > Is there any good exemplar available with a FC CHP system? > > Thanks in advance, > Arnau Girona > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The models are well documented in the publications here: http://www.ecbcs.org/annexes/annex42.htm#p - Alex From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Achim Geissler Sent: July 31, 2014 15:48 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club Subject: [esp-r] Re: CHP fuel cell Dear Arnau, in the "tester" folder you will find two models which use FC models: plt_pre_A42_PEMFC_model plt_pre_A42_SOFC_model I'm afraid I can't help with your other questions, though. Best Achim On Jul 30, 2014, at 9:53 PM, Arnau Girona > wrote: Dear all, I am trying to simulate the performance of a CHP fuel cell for a building. I want to try different types/ sizes of fuel cells to supply the heating demand of a room/building - the electricity produced is either used in the building or sent to the grid. I have found different fuel cells in the list of components of ESP-r: 1. Three node description of a residential fuel cell. (Generic type: fuel cell) 2. Three node description for a residential fuel cell (Generic type: -node residential SOFC with 2 connections) 3. PEM CHP fuel cell system supplying WCH loop; 1 node model 4. Empirical PEM hydrogen cogeneration fuel cell 5. IEA/ECBCS Annex 42 FC-cogeneration model. Which FC is better to use for this case? Can I find information about the technical settings of any of the FC? Is there any good exemplar available with a FC CHP system? Thanks in advance, Arnau Girona _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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August 2014 11:25 An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club; esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: [esp-r] cfc Dear All, I am using CFC and I have implemented the components into my model with success. I get the following message: Warning: the inside face abs value (0.00) normal minimum 0.0001 And when I simulate I get a crash on: Psat01: small saturation vapour pressure. Anyone knows how can I resolve the problem? Thank you Arianna Arianna Sdei Research Fellow IFORE (Innovation For Renewal) UNIVERSITY OF BRIGHTON Moulsecoomb, Lewes Road, Brighton, BN2 4AT mobile: 0044 (0)7981739024 ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ ___________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Two panels consisting of external software developers and commercial stakeholders will discuss the role of uncertainties in energy performance assessments and their ramifications for design decision making, standardization, investor confidence, and energy auditing practices. For full program, venue and registration: www.uqbem.gatech.edu. For those of you that are planning to attend the ASHRAE-IBPSA conference (www.ashrae.org/simulation2014), this is an excellent opportunity to enjoy both events in Atlanta in the same week. For any inquiries, don't hesitate to get in touch with the symposium coordinator: Jeannie Kim, jihyun.kim at gatech.edu Happy travels! Fried Augenbroe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, -- *Suo Hua* *Ph.D Student in Tecnologia e Progetto per l'Ambiente Costruito/Technology and Design for Environment and Building* *Il Dipartimento B.E.S.T.Dipartimento di Scienza e Tecnologie dell?Ambiente Costruito/ The Department of Building Environment Science & Technology* *Politecnico Di Milano* *Email:hua.suo at mail.polimi.it * *Tele:3890994652* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140909/857a0f36/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Sep 9 09:38:43 2014 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 08:38:43 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: conduction problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The bounday conditions are different on each face of the surface. There are three thermal nodes in a single layer construction. The bookkeepping point for reporting conduction is half way between the surface node and the center node. For high conductivity materials the difference would be smaller than for an insulating material. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of ?? [suohua1505 at gmail.com] Sent: 08 September 2014 23:07 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club Subject: [esp-r] conduction problem Dear all, I have a question.If there is one construction which is made only by one material, and one surface is facing external and the other is facing internal zone , if I run this simulation, for this surface,why conduction(inside) and conduction(other face) are not the same? Or should there be some relation between these two outputs? Regards, -- Suo Hua Ph.D Student in Tecnologia e Progetto per l'Ambiente Costruito/Technology and Design for Environment and Building Il Dipartimento B.E.S.T.Dipartimento di Scienza e Tecnologie dell?Ambiente Costruito/ The Department of Building Environment Science & Technology Politecnico Di Milano Email:hua.suo at mail.polimi.it Tele:3890994652 From A.Sdei at brighton.ac.uk Wed Sep 10 15:58:49 2014 From: A.Sdei at brighton.ac.uk (Arianna Sdei) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 14:58:49 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] phase change materials Message-ID: <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC44C8E0@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> Dear All, I am trying to use phase change materials, phase change plasterboard, via the active components. I am using a melting temperature of 26?C and a solidification temperature of 27?C. I am not sure about the solidification temperature and I would like to know if some of you can advise on this. I am trying to have the PCM exposed, so I always position it on the internal layer as I suppose when the software asks for the position it starts counting the existing layers from the exterior. However I try, I can't see any substantial reduction in the indoor temperature during a hot summer month. Can any of you give some advice on how to reduce the indoor temperature further by changing the parameters? Thank you in advance, Best regards, Arianna Arianna Sdei Research Fellow IFORE (Innovation For Renewal) UNIVERSITY OF BRIGHTON Moulsecoomb, Lewes Road, Brighton, BN2 4AT mobile: 0044 (0)7981739024 ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ ___________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140910/ff9ee186/attachment.html From monika.hall at fhnw.ch Wed Sep 10 16:14:14 2014 From: monika.hall at fhnw.ch (Hall Monika) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 15:14:14 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: phase change materials In-Reply-To: <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC44C8E0@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> References: <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC44C8E0@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> Message-ID: Dear Arianna, I assume that the solidification temperature is below the melting temperature. If you don't see an influence in the temperature, it could be that the PCM does not get in the solidification phase it is melted always or the other way round, it is solid and never melts. Have you checked the temperatures? Best regards Monika ------------------------------------------------------------ n|w Fachhochschule Nordwestschweiz Hochschule f?r Architektur, Bau und Geomatik Institut Energie am Bau Dr. Monika Hall Wissenschaftliche Mitarbeiterin St. Jakob-Strasse 84 4132 Muttenz ------------------------------------------------------------ T +41 61 467 45 61 F +41 61 467 45 43 monika.hall at fhnw.ch www.fhnw.ch ------------------------------------------------------------ Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Arianna Sdei Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. September 2014 16:59 An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club Betreff: [esp-r] phase change materials Dear All, I am trying to use phase change materials, phase change plasterboard, via the active components. I am using a melting temperature of 26?C and a solidification temperature of 27?C. I am not sure about the solidification temperature and I would like to know if some of you can advise on this. I am trying to have the PCM exposed, so I always position it on the internal layer as I suppose when the software asks for the position it starts counting the existing layers from the exterior. However I try, I can't see any substantial reduction in the indoor temperature during a hot summer month. Can any of you give some advice on how to reduce the indoor temperature further by changing the parameters? Thank you in advance, Best regards, Arianna Arianna Sdei Research Fellow IFORE (Innovation For Renewal) UNIVERSITY OF BRIGHTON Moulsecoomb, Lewes Road, Brighton, BN2 4AT mobile: 0044 (0)7981739024 ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ ___________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140910/bf4d491b/attachment.html From monika.hall at fhnw.ch Wed Sep 10 16:23:39 2014 From: monika.hall at fhnw.ch (Hall Monika) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 15:23:39 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: phase change materials In-Reply-To: References: <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC44C8E0@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Arianna, the second thought is, that the PCM is always in the phase in between. It melds or solidifys never for 100%, therefore nothing happened with the temperatures. Best regards Monika ------------------------------------------------------------ n|w Fachhochschule Nordwestschweiz Hochschule f?r Architektur, Bau und Geomatik Institut Energie am Bau Dr. Monika Hall Wissenschaftliche Mitarbeiterin St. Jakob-Strasse 84 4132 Muttenz ------------------------------------------------------------ T +41 61 467 45 61 F +41 61 467 45 43 monika.hall at fhnw.ch www.fhnw.ch ------------------------------------------------------------ Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Hall Monika Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. September 2014 17:14 An: Arianna Sdei; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club Betreff: [esp-r] Re: phase change materials Dear Arianna, I assume that the solidification temperature is below the melting temperature. If you don't see an influence in the temperature, it could be that the PCM does not get in the solidification phase it is melted always or the other way round, it is solid and never melts. Have you checked the temperatures? Best regards Monika ------------------------------------------------------------ n|w Fachhochschule Nordwestschweiz Hochschule f?r Architektur, Bau und Geomatik Institut Energie am Bau Dr. Monika Hall Wissenschaftliche Mitarbeiterin St. Jakob-Strasse 84 4132 Muttenz ------------------------------------------------------------ T +41 61 467 45 61 F +41 61 467 45 43 monika.hall at fhnw.ch www.fhnw.ch ------------------------------------------------------------ Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Arianna Sdei Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. September 2014 16:59 An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club Betreff: [esp-r] phase change materials Dear All, I am trying to use phase change materials, phase change plasterboard, via the active components. I am using a melting temperature of 26?C and a solidification temperature of 27?C. I am not sure about the solidification temperature and I would like to know if some of you can advise on this. I am trying to have the PCM exposed, so I always position it on the internal layer as I suppose when the software asks for the position it starts counting the existing layers from the exterior. However I try, I can't see any substantial reduction in the indoor temperature during a hot summer month. Can any of you give some advice on how to reduce the indoor temperature further by changing the parameters? Thank you in advance, Best regards, Arianna Arianna Sdei Research Fellow IFORE (Innovation For Renewal) UNIVERSITY OF BRIGHTON Moulsecoomb, Lewes Road, Brighton, BN2 4AT mobile: 0044 (0)7981739024 ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ ___________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140910/691e420f/attachment-0001.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Wed Sep 10 18:16:20 2014 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 19:16:20 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: phase change materials In-Reply-To: References: <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC44C8E0@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Arianna, you write you can't see "substantial reduction" - but you do see a reduction? You will need quite a bit of PCM for substantial differences (.gt. 1 to 2 K), probably. Which PCM model are you using? I think the basic "53" model cannot really take different temperatures for melting/solidification into account. A simple approach for testing: If you have two otherwise identical surfaces, put the PCM in one and then look at the temperature profiles for a day for these surfaces (or split one of the PCM surfaces into two and remove the PCM from one of these). This should quickly give you an idea on if something is happening ("something" may be disappointingly small temperature differences). Best Achim > > Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Arianna Sdei > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. September 2014 16:59 > An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club > Betreff: [esp-r] phase change materials > > Dear All, > > I am trying to use phase change materials, phase change plasterboard, via the active components. I am using a melting temperature of 26?C and a solidification temperature of 27?C. I am not sure about the solidification temperature and I would like to know if some of you can advise on this. I am trying to have the PCM exposed, so I always position it on the internal layer as I suppose when the software asks for the position it starts counting the existing layers from the exterior. > > However I try, I can?t see any substantial reduction in the indoor temperature during a hot summer month. Can any of you give some advice on how to reduce the indoor temperature further by changing the parameters? > > Thank you in advance, > > Best regards, > > Arianna > > Arianna Sdei > > Research Fellow IFORE (Innovation For Renewal) > > UNIVERSITY OF BRIGHTON > > Moulsecoomb, Lewes Road, Brighton, BN2 4AT > > mobile: 0044 (0)7981739024 > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security > System on behalf of the University of Brighton. > For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ > ___________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140910/55081dae/attachment.html From alaaliag at yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 21:39:29 2014 From: alaaliag at yahoo.com (alaa liag) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 21:39:29 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: phase change materials In-Reply-To: <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC44C8E0@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> References: <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC44C8E0@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1410381569.43633.YahooMailNeo@web133004.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Hi Arianna, Use high zone time step (for example 10) or above this will improve the results especially with PCM's modelling. Regards. Alaa Dr. Alaa Al-Mosawi alaaliag at yahoo.com Head of the Mechanical Engineering Department College of Engineering Al-Qadisiya University Al-Diwaniyah City, Iraq 00964-7807857061 On Wednesday, 10 September 2014, 17:59, Arianna Sdei wrote: Dear All, I am trying to use phase change materials, phase change plasterboard, via the active components. I am using a melting temperature of 26?C and a solidification temperature of 27?C. I am not sure about the solidification temperature and I would like to know if some of you can advise on this. I am trying to have the PCM exposed, so I always position it on the internal layer as I suppose when the software asks for the position it starts counting the existing layers from the exterior. However I try, I can?t see any substantial reduction in the indoor temperature during a hot summer month. Can any of you give some advice on how to reduce the indoor temperature further by changing the parameters? Thank you in advance, Best regards, Arianna Arianna Sdei Research Fellow IFORE (Innovation For Renewal) UNIVERSITY OF BRIGHTON Moulsecoomb, Lewes Road, Brighton, BN2 4AT mobile: 0044 (0)7981739024 ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ ___________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140910/fa058f4b/attachment.html From A.Sdei at brighton.ac.uk Thu Sep 11 18:53:32 2014 From: A.Sdei at brighton.ac.uk (Arianna Sdei) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 17:53:32 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: phase change materials In-Reply-To: References: <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC44C8E0@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> Message-ID: <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC44DACD@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> Hi Achim, I am using phase change plasterboard via the active material database and I am using quite a bit of it. I am using it on all internal walls of two rooms in a house. It makes only a tiny difference to the temperature and I think I am not using it in the right way at the moment. I should be able to see a reduction of 1 or 2k but I am not. What can I look at? can the way I am positioning the material make any difference? I am trying to have the pcm exposed. Let me know, Thank you. Arianna From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Achim Geissler Sent: 10 September 2014 18:16 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club Subject: [esp-r] Re: phase change materials Hi Arianna, you write you can't see "substantial reduction" - but you do see a reduction? You will need quite a bit of PCM for substantial differences (.gt. 1 to 2 K), probably. Which PCM model are you using? I think the basic "53" model cannot really take different temperatures for melting/solidification into account. A simple approach for testing: If you have two otherwise identical surfaces, put the PCM in one and then look at the temperature profiles for a day for these surfaces (or split one of the PCM surfaces into two and remove the PCM from one of these). This should quickly give you an idea on if something is happening ("something" may be disappointingly small temperature differences). Best Achim Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Arianna Sdei Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. September 2014 16:59 An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club Betreff: [esp-r] phase change materials Dear All, I am trying to use phase change materials, phase change plasterboard, via the active components. I am using a melting temperature of 26?C and a solidification temperature of 27?C. I am not sure about the solidification temperature and I would like to know if some of you can advise on this. I am trying to have the PCM exposed, so I always position it on the internal layer as I suppose when the software asks for the position it starts counting the existing layers from the exterior. However I try, I can't see any substantial reduction in the indoor temperature during a hot summer month. Can any of you give some advice on how to reduce the indoor temperature further by changing the parameters? Thank you in advance, Best regards, Arianna Arianna Sdei Research Fellow IFORE (Innovation For Renewal) UNIVERSITY OF BRIGHTON Moulsecoomb, Lewes Road, Brighton, BN2 4AT mobile: 0044 (0)7981739024 ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. 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Again, I always found it very informative to have a surface with and without PCM side by side and look at the surface and / or central node temperatures of the layer in question. Did you do that? From these temperatures you can also estimate if you are actually melting / solidifying the PCM as Monika mentioned. Are you using h3k output? If not, it may be an additional idea. You should find a variable "PCMFAC" in the dictionary. This, I think, is a factor which is 0 for solid and 1 for liquid (or the other way around) and thus gives direct information on what is happening with the PCM. Best Achim On Sep 11, 2014, at 7:53 PM, Arianna Sdei wrote: > Hi Achim, > I am using phase change plasterboard via the active material database and I am using quite a bit of it. I am using it on all internal walls of two rooms in a house. It makes only a tiny difference to the temperature and I think I am not using it in the right way at the moment. I should be able to see a reduction of 1 or 2k but I am not. What can I look at? can the way I am positioning the material make any difference? I am trying to have the pcm exposed. Let me know, > Thank you. > Arianna > > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Achim Geissler > Sent: 10 September 2014 18:16 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club > Subject: [esp-r] Re: phase change materials > > Hi Arianna, > > you write you can't see "substantial reduction" - but you do see a reduction? You will need quite a bit of PCM for substantial differences (.gt. 1 to 2 K), probably. > > Which PCM model are you using? I think the basic "53" model cannot really take different temperatures for melting/solidification into account. > > A simple approach for testing: If you have two otherwise identical surfaces, put the PCM in one and then look at the temperature profiles for a day for these surfaces (or split one of the PCM surfaces into two and remove the PCM from one of these). This should quickly give you an idea on if something is happening ("something" may be disappointingly small temperature differences). > > Best > Achim > > > > Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Arianna Sdei > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. September 2014 16:59 > An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club > Betreff: [esp-r] phase change materials > > Dear All, > > I am trying to use phase change materials, phase change plasterboard, via the active components. I am using a melting temperature of 26?C and a solidification temperature of 27?C. I am not sure about the solidification temperature and I would like to know if some of you can advise on this. I am trying to have the PCM exposed, so I always position it on the internal layer as I suppose when the software asks for the position it starts counting the existing layers from the exterior. > > However I try, I can?t see any substantial reduction in the indoor temperature during a hot summer month. Can any of you give some advice on how to reduce the indoor temperature further by changing the parameters? > > Thank you in advance, > > Best regards, > > Arianna > > Arianna Sdei > > Research Fellow IFORE (Innovation For Renewal) > > UNIVERSITY OF BRIGHTON > > Moulsecoomb, Lewes Road, Brighton, BN2 4AT > > mobile: 0044 (0)7981739024 > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security > System on behalf of the University of Brighton. > For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ > ___________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > achim.geissler at intergga.ch > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security > System on behalf of the University of Brighton. > For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ > ___________________________________________________________ > > ___________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security > System on behalf of the University of Brighton. > For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ > ___________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140911/4e7c6214/attachment-0001.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Sun Sep 14 10:46:17 2014 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 11:46:17 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: phase change materials In-Reply-To: <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC44DD1E@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> References: <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC44C8E0@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC44DACD@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> <98FA184F-7739-4395-95B2-E51808F45F08@intergga.ch> <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC44DD1E@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Arianna, the variable AppCon is "apparent conductivity", the values 0.4 and 0.8 should be found in your input data (conductivity "consol" 0.4 when solid, "conliq" 0.8 when liquid, probably). If you plot the surface/node temperature over time and also the "PCMFAC" in the same plot, the switch between values should happen when the temperature crosses the "melting" and "solidification" temperatures you are using. Maybe taking a look at the code (esrubld/spmatl.f, lines 2424 ff.) can help understand some of the variables. The main calculation algorithm is between lines 2532 and 2580 (factf being PCMFAC in the output). It seems strange that you only get the two integer values 1 and 2 as output. The input for actual PCM properties is according to lines 2497 ff.: C Melting and solidification temperatures (degC). tmelt=spmdat(ispmnod,1) tsoli=spmdat(ispmnod,2) C Conductivity in solid and liquid phase (W/m.degC). consol=spmdat(ispmnod,3) conliq=spmdat(ispmnod,4) C Specific heat capacity (J/kg.degC). shtsol=spmdat(ispmnod,5) C Latent heat coefficients (J/kg.degC^2 & J/kg.degC respectively). shtliqa=spmdat(ispmnod,6) shtliqb=spmdat(ispmnod,7) Description of the other h3k variables you mention are (lines 2750 ff.) strspm(ispmnod,2)='/SHCtot' unitspm(ispmnod,2)='(J/kg)' txtspm(ispmnod,2)='Total heat stored in PCM' strspm(ispmnod,3)='/SHCarea' unitspm(ispmnod,3)='(J/m^2)' txtspm(ispmnod,3)='Heat stored per PCM area' What number of time steps per hour are you using (see comment by Alaa)? Good luck. Best Achim On Sep 14, 2014, at 12:12 AM, Arianna Sdei wrote: > Hi Achim, > > thank you. I tried to simulate 2 days in July and see what happens to the temperature of two surfaces. The difference if very minimal, in the order of 0.1k. I could find h3k output and ?PCMFAC? variable. In the output I can see that PCMFAC is either a factor of 1 or 2. I can see that the index switches from 1 to 2 at different times for different surfaces. There are other variables such as AppCON which has often an index of 0.4 when PCMFAC is 1 and of 0.8 when PCMFAC is 2, what does that mean? There are other variables like SHCarea, SHCtot, what are they? Let me know, thank you again. > > Best, > > Arianna > > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Achim Geissler > Sent: 11 September 2014 19:57 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club > Subject: [esp-r] Re: phase change materials > > Hi Arianna, > > so probably you are using type 53 (you can see that in the .spm file, by the way, "Type"). > > The PCM should go in the middle node of the innermost layer (or the "plasterboard" layer, in any case). I have no idea what the default parameters in the database are. Did you change the latent heat to meet the actual material you are using? Again, I always found it very informative to have a surface with and without PCM side by side and look at the surface and / or central node temperatures of the layer in question. Did you do that? From these temperatures you can also estimate if you are actually melting / solidifying the PCM as Monika mentioned. > > Are you using h3k output? If not, it may be an additional idea. You should find a variable "PCMFAC" in the dictionary. This, I think, is a factor which is 0 for solid and 1 for liquid (or the other way around) and thus gives direct information on what is happening with the PCM. > > Best > Achim > > > On Sep 11, 2014, at 7:53 PM, Arianna Sdei wrote: > > > Hi Achim, > I am using phase change plasterboard via the active material database and I am using quite a bit of it. I am using it on all internal walls of two rooms in a house. It makes only a tiny difference to the temperature and I think I am not using it in the right way at the moment. I should be able to see a reduction of 1 or 2k but I am not. What can I look at? can the way I am positioning the material make any difference? I am trying to have the pcm exposed. Let me know, > Thank you. > Arianna > > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Achim Geissler > Sent: 10 September 2014 18:16 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club > Subject: [esp-r] Re: phase change materials > > Hi Arianna, > > you write you can't see "substantial reduction" - but you do see a reduction? You will need quite a bit of PCM for substantial differences (.gt. 1 to 2 K), probably. > > Which PCM model are you using? I think the basic "53" model cannot really take different temperatures for melting/solidification into account. > > A simple approach for testing: If you have two otherwise identical surfaces, put the PCM in one and then look at the temperature profiles for a day for these surfaces (or split one of the PCM surfaces into two and remove the PCM from one of these). This should quickly give you an idea on if something is happening ("something" may be disappointingly small temperature differences). > > Best > Achim > > > > Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Arianna Sdei > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. September 2014 16:59 > An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club > Betreff: [esp-r] phase change materials > > Dear All, > > I am trying to use phase change materials, phase change plasterboard, via the active components. I am using a melting temperature of 26?C and a solidification temperature of 27?C. I am not sure about the solidification temperature and I would like to know if some of you can advise on this. I am trying to have the PCM exposed, so I always position it on the internal layer as I suppose when the software asks for the position it starts counting the existing layers from the exterior. > > However I try, I can?t see any substantial reduction in the indoor temperature during a hot summer month. Can any of you give some advice on how to reduce the indoor temperature further by changing the parameters? > > Thank you in advance, > > Best regards, > > Arianna > > Arianna Sdei > > Research Fellow IFORE (Innovation For Renewal) > > UNIVERSITY OF BRIGHTON > > Moulsecoomb, Lewes Road, Brighton, BN2 4AT > > mobile: 0044 (0)7981739024 > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security > System on behalf of the University of Brighton. > For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ > ___________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > achim.geissler at intergga.ch > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security > System on behalf of the University of Brighton. > For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ > ___________________________________________________________ > > ___________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security > System on behalf of the University of Brighton. > For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ > ___________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > achim.geissler at intergga.ch > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security > System on behalf of the University of Brighton. > For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ > ___________________________________________________________ > > ___________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security > System on behalf of the University of Brighton. > For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ > ___________________________________________________________ achim.geissler at intergga.ch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140914/eecd65cf/attachment-0001.html From A.Sdei at brighton.ac.uk Mon Sep 15 13:07:02 2014 From: A.Sdei at brighton.ac.uk (Arianna Sdei) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 12:07:02 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: phase change materials In-Reply-To: References: <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC44C8E0@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC44DACD@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> <98FA184F-7739-4395-95B2-E51808F45F08@intergga.ch> <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC44DD1E@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> Message-ID: <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC44DF4E@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> Hi Achim, the plot of surface temperature against PCMFAC shows that the melting temperature is at 26.4 C and the solidification is 25.4 C. That is not exactly what I set up but it is to be expected in PCM because over a number of days the capacity to regain its original properties will be compromised. What do you mean when you say that it seems strange to get only 1 and 2 as outputs? Isn't 1 for solid and 2 for liquid? What else should I expect? I am using 60 time steps per hour, with no hourly integration. Thank you, regards. Arianna From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Achim Geissler Sent: 14 September 2014 10:46 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club Subject: [esp-r] Re: phase change materials Hi Arianna, the variable AppCon is "apparent conductivity", the values 0.4 and 0.8 should be found in your input data (conductivity "consol" 0.4 when solid, "conliq" 0.8 when liquid, probably). If you plot the surface/node temperature over time and also the "PCMFAC" in the same plot, the switch between values should happen when the temperature crosses the "melting" and "solidification" temperatures you are using. Maybe taking a look at the code (esrubld/spmatl.f, lines 2424 ff.) can help understand some of the variables. The main calculation algorithm is between lines 2532 and 2580 (factf being PCMFAC in the output). It seems strange that you only get the two integer values 1 and 2 as output. The input for actual PCM properties is according to lines 2497 ff.: C Melting and solidification temperatures (degC). tmelt=spmdat(ispmnod,1) tsoli=spmdat(ispmnod,2) C Conductivity in solid and liquid phase (W/m.degC). consol=spmdat(ispmnod,3) conliq=spmdat(ispmnod,4) C Specific heat capacity (J/kg.degC). shtsol=spmdat(ispmnod,5) C Latent heat coefficients (J/kg.degC^2 & J/kg.degC respectively). shtliqa=spmdat(ispmnod,6) shtliqb=spmdat(ispmnod,7) Description of the other h3k variables you mention are (lines 2750 ff.) strspm(ispmnod,2)='/SHCtot' unitspm(ispmnod,2)='(J/kg)' txtspm(ispmnod,2)='Total heat stored in PCM' strspm(ispmnod,3)='/SHCarea' unitspm(ispmnod,3)='(J/m^2)' txtspm(ispmnod,3)='Heat stored per PCM area' What number of time steps per hour are you using (see comment by Alaa)? Good luck. Best Achim On Sep 14, 2014, at 12:12 AM, Arianna Sdei > wrote: Hi Achim, thank you. I tried to simulate 2 days in July and see what happens to the temperature of two surfaces. The difference if very minimal, in the order of 0.1k. I could find h3k output and "PCMFAC" variable. In the output I can see that PCMFAC is either a factor of 1 or 2. I can see that the index switches from 1 to 2 at different times for different surfaces. There are other variables such as AppCON which has often an index of 0.4 when PCMFAC is 1 and of 0.8 when PCMFAC is 2, what does that mean? There are other variables like SHCarea, SHCtot, what are they? Let me know, thank you again. Best, Arianna From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Achim Geissler Sent: 11 September 2014 19:57 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club Subject: [esp-r] Re: phase change materials Hi Arianna, so probably you are using type 53 (you can see that in the .spm file, by the way, "Type"). The PCM should go in the middle node of the innermost layer (or the "plasterboard" layer, in any case). I have no idea what the default parameters in the database are. Did you change the latent heat to meet the actual material you are using? Again, I always found it very informative to have a surface with and without PCM side by side and look at the surface and / or central node temperatures of the layer in question. Did you do that? From these temperatures you can also estimate if you are actually melting / solidifying the PCM as Monika mentioned. Are you using h3k output? If not, it may be an additional idea. You should find a variable "PCMFAC" in the dictionary. This, I think, is a factor which is 0 for solid and 1 for liquid (or the other way around) and thus gives direct information on what is happening with the PCM. Best Achim On Sep 11, 2014, at 7:53 PM, Arianna Sdei > wrote: Hi Achim, I am using phase change plasterboard via the active material database and I am using quite a bit of it. I am using it on all internal walls of two rooms in a house. It makes only a tiny difference to the temperature and I think I am not using it in the right way at the moment. I should be able to see a reduction of 1 or 2k but I am not. What can I look at? can the way I am positioning the material make any difference? I am trying to have the pcm exposed. Let me know, Thank you. Arianna From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Achim Geissler Sent: 10 September 2014 18:16 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club Subject: [esp-r] Re: phase change materials Hi Arianna, you write you can't see "substantial reduction" - but you do see a reduction? You will need quite a bit of PCM for substantial differences (.gt. 1 to 2 K), probably. Which PCM model are you using? I think the basic "53" model cannot really take different temperatures for melting/solidification into account. A simple approach for testing: If you have two otherwise identical surfaces, put the PCM in one and then look at the temperature profiles for a day for these surfaces (or split one of the PCM surfaces into two and remove the PCM from one of these). This should quickly give you an idea on if something is happening ("something" may be disappointingly small temperature differences). Best Achim Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Arianna Sdei Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. September 2014 16:59 An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club Betreff: [esp-r] phase change materials Dear All, I am trying to use phase change materials, phase change plasterboard, via the active components. I am using a melting temperature of 26?C and a solidification temperature of 27?C. I am not sure about the solidification temperature and I would like to know if some of you can advise on this. I am trying to have the PCM exposed, so I always position it on the internal layer as I suppose when the software asks for the position it starts counting the existing layers from the exterior. However I try, I can't see any substantial reduction in the indoor temperature during a hot summer month. Can any of you give some advice on how to reduce the indoor temperature further by changing the parameters? Thank you in advance, Best regards, Arianna Arianna Sdei Research Fellow IFORE (Innovation For Renewal) UNIVERSITY OF BRIGHTON Moulsecoomb, Lewes Road, Brighton, BN2 4AT mobile: 0044 (0)7981739024 ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ ___________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140915/b3873694/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Mon Sep 15 17:15:06 2014 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 18:15:06 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: phase change materials In-Reply-To: <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC44DF4E@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> References: <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC44C8E0@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC44DACD@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> <98FA184F-7739-4395-95B2-E51808F45F08@intergga.ch> <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC44DD1E@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> <43AC8FF96AEAFA43B65D1EDF7FD1C121BC44DF4E@ALUDRA.university.brighton.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Arianna, it is not clear to me how you assume the PCM model (53) in ESP-r can take any kind of PCM degeneration or the like into account. The melting and solidification temperatures given in the PCM definition are fixed! If you are looking at surface temperatures, there may, of course, be a slight offset to the PCM temperatures in the middle node of the layer. PCMFAC is defined as a real variable and calculated as a fraction (see the code). Therefore, at a first glance, I find it strange that this fraction should always be an integer value. The time steps should suffice ;o) Have you cross checked on your expected latent heat capacity (SHCtot or SHCarea)? Does that tally with what you think you entered for the PCM description? Best Achim On Sep 15, 2014, at 2:07 PM, Arianna Sdei wrote: > Hi Achim, > > the plot of surface temperature against PCMFAC shows that the melting temperature is at 26.4 C and the solidification is 25.4 C. That is not exactly what I set up but it is to be expected in PCM because over a number of days the capacity to regain its original properties will be compromised. What do you mean when you say that it seems strange to get only 1 and 2 as outputs? Isn?t 1 for solid and 2 for liquid? What else should I expect? I am using 60 time steps per hour, with no hourly integration. Thank you, > > regards. > Arianna > > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Achim Geissler > Sent: 14 September 2014 10:46 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club > Subject: [esp-r] Re: phase change materials > > Hi Arianna, > > the variable AppCon is "apparent conductivity", the values 0.4 and 0.8 should be found in your input data (conductivity "consol" 0.4 when solid, "conliq" 0.8 when liquid, probably). If you plot the surface/node temperature over time and also the "PCMFAC" in the same plot, the switch between values should happen when the temperature crosses the "melting" and "solidification" temperatures you are using. > > Maybe taking a look at the code (esrubld/spmatl.f, lines 2424 ff.) can help understand some of the variables. The main calculation algorithm is between lines 2532 and 2580 (factf being PCMFAC in the output). It seems strange that you only get the two integer values 1 and 2 as output. > > The input for actual PCM properties is according to lines 2497 ff.: > > C Melting and solidification temperatures (degC). > tmelt=spmdat(ispmnod,1) > tsoli=spmdat(ispmnod,2) > > C Conductivity in solid and liquid phase (W/m.degC). > consol=spmdat(ispmnod,3) > conliq=spmdat(ispmnod,4) > > C Specific heat capacity (J/kg.degC). > shtsol=spmdat(ispmnod,5) > > C Latent heat coefficients (J/kg.degC^2 & J/kg.degC respectively). > shtliqa=spmdat(ispmnod,6) > shtliqb=spmdat(ispmnod,7) > > Description of the other h3k variables you mention are (lines 2750 ff.) > > strspm(ispmnod,2)='/SHCtot' > unitspm(ispmnod,2)='(J/kg)' > txtspm(ispmnod,2)='Total heat stored in PCM' > > strspm(ispmnod,3)='/SHCarea' > unitspm(ispmnod,3)='(J/m^2)' > txtspm(ispmnod,3)='Heat stored per PCM area' > > What number of time steps per hour are you using (see comment by Alaa)? > > Good luck. > Best > Achim > > > On Sep 14, 2014, at 12:12 AM, Arianna Sdei wrote: > > > Hi Achim, > > thank you. I tried to simulate 2 days in July and see what happens to the temperature of two surfaces. The difference if very minimal, in the order of 0.1k. I could find h3k output and ?PCMFAC? variable. In the output I can see that PCMFAC is either a factor of 1 or 2. I can see that the index switches from 1 to 2 at different times for different surfaces. There are other variables such as AppCON which has often an index of 0.4 when PCMFAC is 1 and of 0.8 when PCMFAC is 2, what does that mean? There are other variables like SHCarea, SHCtot, what are they? Let me know, thank you again. > > Best, > > Arianna > > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Achim Geissler > Sent: 11 September 2014 19:57 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club > Subject: [esp-r] Re: phase change materials > > Hi Arianna, > > so probably you are using type 53 (you can see that in the .spm file, by the way, "Type"). > > The PCM should go in the middle node of the innermost layer (or the "plasterboard" layer, in any case). I have no idea what the default parameters in the database are. Did you change the latent heat to meet the actual material you are using? Again, I always found it very informative to have a surface with and without PCM side by side and look at the surface and / or central node temperatures of the layer in question. Did you do that? From these temperatures you can also estimate if you are actually melting / solidifying the PCM as Monika mentioned. > > Are you using h3k output? If not, it may be an additional idea. You should find a variable "PCMFAC" in the dictionary. This, I think, is a factor which is 0 for solid and 1 for liquid (or the other way around) and thus gives direct information on what is happening with the PCM. > > Best > Achim > > > On Sep 11, 2014, at 7:53 PM, Arianna Sdei wrote: > > > > Hi Achim, > I am using phase change plasterboard via the active material database and I am using quite a bit of it. I am using it on all internal walls of two rooms in a house. It makes only a tiny difference to the temperature and I think I am not using it in the right way at the moment. I should be able to see a reduction of 1 or 2k but I am not. What can I look at? can the way I am positioning the material make any difference? I am trying to have the pcm exposed. Let me know, > Thank you. > Arianna > > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Achim Geissler > Sent: 10 September 2014 18:16 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club > Subject: [esp-r] Re: phase change materials > > Hi Arianna, > > you write you can't see "substantial reduction" - but you do see a reduction? You will need quite a bit of PCM for substantial differences (.gt. 1 to 2 K), probably. > > Which PCM model are you using? I think the basic "53" model cannot really take different temperatures for melting/solidification into account. > > A simple approach for testing: If you have two otherwise identical surfaces, put the PCM in one and then look at the temperature profiles for a day for these surfaces (or split one of the PCM surfaces into two and remove the PCM from one of these). This should quickly give you an idea on if something is happening ("something" may be disappointingly small temperature differences). > > Best > Achim > > > > Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Arianna Sdei > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. September 2014 16:59 > An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club > Betreff: [esp-r] phase change materials > > Dear All, > > I am trying to use phase change materials, phase change plasterboard, via the active components. I am using a melting temperature of 26?C and a solidification temperature of 27?C. I am not sure about the solidification temperature and I would like to know if some of you can advise on this. I am trying to have the PCM exposed, so I always position it on the internal layer as I suppose when the software asks for the position it starts counting the existing layers from the exterior. > > However I try, I can?t see any substantial reduction in the indoor temperature during a hot summer month. Can any of you give some advice on how to reduce the indoor temperature further by changing the parameters? > > Thank you in advance, > > Best regards, > > Arianna > > Arianna Sdei > > Research Fellow IFORE (Innovation For Renewal) > > UNIVERSITY OF BRIGHTON > > Moulsecoomb, Lewes Road, Brighton, BN2 4AT > > mobile: 0044 (0)7981739024 > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security > System on behalf of the University of Brighton. > For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ > ___________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > achim.geissler at intergga.ch > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security > System on behalf of the University of Brighton. > For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ > ___________________________________________________________ > > ___________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security > System on behalf of the University of Brighton. > For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ > ___________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > achim.geissler at intergga.ch > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security > System on behalf of the University of Brighton. > For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ > ___________________________________________________________ > > ___________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security > System on behalf of the University of Brighton. > For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ > ___________________________________________________________ > > achim.geissler at intergga.ch > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security > System on behalf of the University of Brighton. > For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ > ___________________________________________________________ > > ___________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security > System on behalf of the University of Brighton. > For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ > ___________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The window is a .cfc contruction. > Since the control-function seems not to operate I am wondering if the .cgc control works togheter with .cfc constructions. > Any hints are welcome! > > Thanks, > > Caroline > > > Besuchen Sie unser Lichtlabor: lichtlabor.fhnw.ch > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Fachhochschule Nordwestschweiz > Hochschule f?r Architektur, Bau und Geomatik > Institut Energie am Bau > > Dr.-Ing. Caroline Hoffmann > Projektleiterin Forschung > St. Jakobs-Strasse 84 > 4132 Muttenz > ------------------------------------------------------------ > T +41 61 467 45 72 > F +41 61 467 45 43 > caroline.hoffmann at fhnw.ch > www.fhnw.ch > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140915/ab248943/attachment.html From caroline.hoffmann at fhnw.ch Wed Sep 17 16:32:40 2014 From: caroline.hoffmann at fhnw.ch (Hoffmann Caroline) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 15:32:40 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] units for casual gains Message-ID: Dear All Could it be possible that with the casual gain definition for people the unit W/m2 is not working? I could chose the unit W/m2 in the menue, but the it will not appear printed in the file. The same problem happens, if I try to import old .opr files with the unit -1 (for internal gain of people in W/m2). Any hints are welcome! Thanks, Caroline Besuchen Sie unser Lichtlabor: lichtlabor.fhnw.ch ------------------------------------------------------------ Fachhochschule Nordwestschweiz Hochschule f?r Architektur, Bau und Geomatik Institut Energie am Bau Dr.-Ing. Caroline Hoffmann Projektleiterin Forschung St. Jakobs-Strasse 84 4132 Muttenz ------------------------------------------------------------ T +41 61 467 45 72 F +41 61 467 45 43 caroline.hoffmann at fhnw.ch www.fhnw.ch ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20140917/99ab93ef/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Sep 18 07:21:30 2014 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 06:21:30 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: units for casual gains In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Occupants are treated a bit differently than other casual gains. The interface takes the W/m2 definition of people and changes it in the file to be either Watts or people/m2. If you ask for a model contents report you should see the units for people clearly if you are using a current version of ESP-r. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Hoffmann Caroline [caroline.hoffmann at fhnw.ch] Sent: 17 September 2014 16:32 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] units for casual gains Dear All Could it be possible that with the casual gain definition for people the unit W/m2 is not working? I could chose the unit W/m2 in the menue, but the it will not appear printed in the file. The same problem happens, if I try to import old .opr files with the unit -1 (for internal gain of people in W/m2). Any hints are welcome! Thanks, Caroline Besuchen Sie unser Lichtlabor: lichtlabor.fhnw.ch ------------------------------------------------------------ Fachhochschule Nordwestschweiz Hochschule f?r Architektur, Bau und Geomatik Institut Energie am Bau Dr.-Ing. Caroline Hoffmann Projektleiterin Forschung St. Jakobs-Strasse 84 4132 Muttenz ------------------------------------------------------------ T +41 61 467 45 72 F +41 61 467 45 43 caroline.hoffmann at fhnw.ch www.fhnw.ch ------------------------------------------------------------ From smogor at uni-kassel.de Tue Oct 7 15:28:43 2014 From: smogor at uni-kassel.de (Jagoda Smogor) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 16:28:43 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] the "esp-r" mailing list Message-ID: <002e01cfe23b$009757e0$01c607a0$@uni-kassel.de> -- M.Sc. Jagoda Smogor Universit?t Kassel Fachbereich Architektur Stadtplanung Landschaftsplanung Fachgebiet Bauphysik Gottschalkst. 28 a | Raum 1021 34127 Kassel smogor at uni-kassel.de fon: +49 (0) 561 804-7686 www.uni-kassel.de/fb6/bpy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20141007/9865e09e/attachment.html From kgobakis at isc.tuc.gr Wed Oct 15 08:52:31 2014 From: kgobakis at isc.tuc.gr (Kostas Gobakis) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:52:31 +0300 Subject: [esp-r] Flow chart of how esp-r works Message-ID: <543E27BF.7020309@isc.tuc.gr> Hi, everyone I am starting to read the code of Esp-r but i am lost. Is somewhere a document with flow char of how the different compartments of Esp-r work and interact ? Thanks, Kostas Gompakis -- PhD. Candidate Built Environment and Energy management Laboratory School of Environmental Engineering Technical University of Crete Chania ? Crete (tel: +30 28210 37837) From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Oct 15 11:22:40 2014 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:22:40 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Flow chart of how esp-r works In-Reply-To: <543E27BF.7020309@isc.tuc.gr> References: <543E27BF.7020309@isc.tuc.gr> Message-ID: For a new person to the ESP-r code it is a challenge to know where to look in the ~1 million lines of code. I attach a link to a developers document which may give you some clues. ESP-r has evolved a bit since that document was created so some sections might be slightly different to the source code. And there are several sections in the ESP-r Cookbook which relate to the relationships between the ESP-r executables and databases etc. Perhaps you can tell us what topics you are looking for and we could give you some hints as to where to look in the code? -Jon Hand, ESRU https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17785121/ESPr_Installers/ESP-r_developers_doc_2012.pdf https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17785121/esp-r_cookbook_may_2014_c.pdf ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Kostas Gobakis [kgobakis at isc.tuc.gr] Sent: 15 October 2014 08:52 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Flow chart of how esp-r works Hi, everyone I am starting to read the code of Esp-r but i am lost. Is somewhere a document with flow char of how the different compartments of Esp-r work and interact ? Thanks, Kostas Gompakis -- PhD. Candidate Built Environment and Energy management Laboratory School of Environmental Engineering Technical University of Crete Chania ? Crete (tel: +30 28210 37837) _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From kgobakis at isc.tuc.gr Thu Oct 16 13:41:46 2014 From: kgobakis at isc.tuc.gr (Kostas Gobakis) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 15:41:46 +0300 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Flow chart of how esp-r works In-Reply-To: References: <543E27BF.7020309@isc.tuc.gr> Message-ID: <543FBD0A.1010706@isc.tuc.gr> Thanks a lot for your quick reply. I just found on the publication section of the ESP-r website two documents 1) Flowchart of the Structure of the Main Controller of the Simulator bps, Routine mznuma. 2) Flowchart of the Structure of the Simulator bps. I want to external couple openFoam to calculate the convective heat transfer coefficients of the external surfaces of the building. Also if i have 2 building in the same simulations does ESP-r calculate the reflective solar radiation from one building to the other? Thanks in advance, Kostas Gompakis ???? 15-Oct-14 13:22, ?/? Jon Hand ??????: > For a new person to the ESP-r code it is a challenge to know where to look in the ~1 million > lines of code. I attach a link to a developers document which may give you some clues. ESP-r > has evolved a bit since that document was created so some sections might be slightly different > to the source code. > > And there are several sections in the ESP-r Cookbook which relate to the relationships between > the ESP-r executables and databases etc. > > Perhaps you can tell us what topics you are looking for and we could give you some > hints as to where to look in the code? > > -Jon Hand, ESRU > > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17785121/ESPr_Installers/ESP-r_developers_doc_2012.pdf > > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17785121/esp-r_cookbook_may_2014_c.pdf > > > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Kostas Gobakis [kgobakis at isc.tuc.gr] > Sent: 15 October 2014 08:52 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Flow chart of how esp-r works > > Hi, everyone > > I am starting to read the code of Esp-r but i am lost. > Is somewhere a document with flow char of how the different compartments > of Esp-r work and interact ? > > Thanks, > Kostas Gompakis > > -- > PhD. Candidate > Built Environment and Energy management Laboratory > School of Environmental Engineering > Technical University of Crete > Chania ? Crete > (tel: +30 28210 37837) > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20141016/48335eca/attachment.html From jake.zwart at sympatico.ca Thu Oct 16 14:47:09 2014 From: jake.zwart at sympatico.ca (Jake Zwart) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 09:47:09 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Flow chart of how esp-r works In-Reply-To: <543FBD0A.1010706@isc.tuc.gr> References: <543E27BF.7020309@isc.tuc.gr> <543FBD0A.1010706@isc.tuc.gr> Message-ID: I have used Salome-Meca for an FEA project. I have used esp-r for a different project. Salome-Meca integrates open source Salome as a graphical preprocessor, and open source Code Aster as the FEA engine. Code Aster is unique in that it uses python to call the different FEA modules. What it also allows is the use of open source Code Saturne for a CFD analysis, or it can call both Code Aster and Code Saturne modules for a coupled FEA/CFD analysis. Once I learned this, I thought that if esp-r can be called by the python script, that would be a really neat and powerful addition to be able to answer questions that otherwise would be hard. For instance, the Canadians developed empirical equations for basement simulation, called BaseSimp, using FEA. But if you have a geometry that is not covered by these empirical equations, being able to use FEA coupled with esp-r for your basement simulation and envelop simulation would be a real asset. It sounds like your simulation is similar. I know OpenFoam is a more popular open CFD package, but not sure if it would integrate in as nice a way that Code Aster and Code Saturn integrate using the python script calls. Jake Zwart _____ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kostas Gobakis Sent: October 16, 2014 8:42 AM To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Flow chart of how esp-r works Thanks a lot for your quick reply. I just found on the publication section of the ESP-r website two documents 1) Flowchart of the Structure of the Main Controller of the Simulator bps, Routine mznuma. 2) Flowchart of the Structure of the Simulator bps. I want to external couple openFoam to calculate the convective heat transfer coefficients of the external surfaces of the building. Also if i have 2 building in the same simulations does ESP-r calculate the reflective solar radiation from one building to the other? Thanks in advance, Kostas Gompakis ???? 15-Oct-14 13:22, ?/? Jon Hand ??????: For a new person to the ESP-r code it is a challenge to know where to look in the ~1 million lines of code. I attach a link to a developers document which may give you some clues. ESP-r has evolved a bit since that document was created so some sections might be slightly different to the source code. And there are several sections in the ESP-r Cookbook which relate to the relationships between the ESP-r executables and databases etc. Perhaps you can tell us what topics you are looking for and we could give you some hints as to where to look in the code? -Jon Hand, ESRU https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17785121/ESPr_Installers/ESP-r_developer s_doc_2012.pdf https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17785121/esp-r_cookbook_may_2014_c.pdf ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Kostas Gobakis [kgobakis at isc.tuc.gr] Sent: 15 October 2014 08:52 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Flow chart of how esp-r works Hi, everyone I am starting to read the code of Esp-r but i am lost. Is somewhere a document with flow char of how the different compartments of Esp-r work and interact ? Thanks, Kostas Gompakis -- PhD. Candidate Built Environment and Energy management Laboratory School of Environmental Engineering Technical University of Crete Chania - Crete (tel: +30 28210 37837) _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20141016/4b35f1e1/attachment.html From Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca Thu Oct 23 20:27:18 2014 From: Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca (Ferguson, Alex) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 19:27:18 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r source code Message-ID: <6E91C8562E39DD498E62F5AE4BF7224569C1753F@S-BSC-MBX3.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca> Greetings from Ottawa, I'm writing to invite you to discuss the state of ESP-r source code management. I know our recent transition to GitHub has not been easy for many of you. We would like to review the current arrangement, and propose procedures for managing the source code. If you would like to participate, please indicate your availability on the doodle poll below. http://doodle.com/5uugt93i9kqtxbbe I will send out a web-conference link once we settle on a time; Ian Beausoleil-Morrison will send out proposed procedures shortly. I look forward to speaking with you. Alex Ferguson Housing Team Leader, CanmetENERGY Natural Resources Canada P: 613 995 3294 C: 613 867 7597 alex.ferguson at nrcan.gc.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank you, Regards, Arianna Arianna Sdei Research Fellow IFORE (Innovation For Renewal) UNIVERSITY OF BRIGHTON Moulsecoomb, Lewes Road, Brighton, BN2 4AT mobile: 0044 (0)7981739024 ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ ___________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If ESP-r starts and functions correctly, you can safely ignore the messages. - Alex From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Arianna Sdei Sent: October 28, 2014 06:22 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club Subject: [esp-r] message Dear All, When I am firing ESP-r from a cygwin window I get this message: winPointerWarpCursor - Discarding first warp: 683 384 (--) 16 mouse buttons found (--) Setting autorepeat to delay=500, rate=31 (--) Windows keyboard layout: "00000809" (00000809) "United Kingdom", type 4 (--) Found matching XKB configuration "English (United Kingdom)" (--) Model = "pc105" Layout = "gb" Variant = "none" Options = "none" Rules = "base" Model = "pc105" Layout = "gb" Variant = "none" Options = "none" Do you know what this means? Thank you, Regards, Arianna Arianna Sdei Research Fellow IFORE (Innovation For Renewal) UNIVERSITY OF BRIGHTON Moulsecoomb, Lewes Road, Brighton, BN2 4AT mobile: 0044 (0)7981739024 ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ ___________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20141028/4f7d6bb3/attachment-0001.html From GrantJ at bre.co.uk Tue Oct 28 13:49:29 2014 From: GrantJ at bre.co.uk (Grant, Jordan) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 13:49:29 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Plotting electrical demand Message-ID: Dear all, I have been trying to plot the lighting demand for a domestic building. I have not defined an electrical network however I have chosen to include the electrical data for the lighting within the casual gains section of the operational files. It is my understanding that this would be sufficient to view the electrical demand of the lights through the results analysis module however when I plot the electrical demand for any given period, the load is constantly zero. Although I know how much electricity the lights are drawing based on the operational file, I wish to plot this against the generation from a photovoltaic array which I have defined. I can't think of what could be going on here. 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Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Grant, Jordan [GrantJ at bre.co.uk] Sent: 28 October 2014 13:49 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Plotting electrical demand Dear all, I have been trying to plot the lighting demand for a domestic building. I have not defined an electrical network however I have chosen to include the electrical data for the lighting within the casual gains section of the operational files. It is my understanding that this would be sufficient to view the electrical demand of the lights through the results analysis module however when I plot the electrical demand for any given period, the load is constantly zero. Although I know how much electricity the lights are drawing based on the operational file, I wish to plot this against the generation from a photovoltaic array which I have defined. I can?t think of what could be going on here. Any help would be appreciated. -Jordan ________________________________ [http://www.bre.co.uk/images/resilience14.gif] www.resilience14.com [http://www.bre.co.uk/images/Twitter_logo_blue-18x15.gif] Follow us @BREevents #Resilience14 ________________________________ Privileged and confidential information and/or copyright material may be contained in this e-mail. If you are not the intended addressee you may not copy or deliver it to anyone else or use it in any unauthorised manner. To do so is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by mistake, please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy all copies. Thank you. Building Research Establishment Ltd, Registered under number 3319324 in England and Wales. VAT Registration No GB 689 9499 27 www.bre.co.uk BRE Global Limited, Registered under number 8961297 in England and Wales. www.breglobal.com Building Research Establishment and BRE Global are subsidiaries of the BRE Trust. BRE Trust is a company limited by guarantee, Registered under number 3282856 in England and Wales, and registered as a charity in England (no. 1092193) and in Scotland (no. SC039320). www.bretrust.org.uk Registered Offices: Bucknalls Lane, Garston, Watford, Hertfordshire WD25 9XX - Travelling to BRE: see www.bre.co.uk/directions ________________________________ From vera.rodrigues at bluecape.com.pt Tue Oct 28 17:29:22 2014 From: vera.rodrigues at bluecape.com.pt (vera.rodrigues at bluecape.com.pt) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:29:22 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Automated Reply Re: "esp-r Digest, Vol 99, Issue 6" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you for your email. I am out of the office from Monday, 30/06/2014 to Friday, 07/11/2014 and unable to respond at this time. I will review your message following my return on 10/11/2014. If you need immediate assistance, contact one or both of my colleagues: - Nelson Marques: nelson.marques at bluecape.com.pt - Rui Gabriel: rui.gabriel at bluecape.com.pt Thank you for your understanding. Best regards, Vera Rodrigues -- http://www.bluecape.com.pt blueCAPE Lda - CAE solutions Rua Fonte dos Corvos, n.29 Casais da Serra 2665-305 Milharado PORTUGAL (+351) 219 755 345 Tel. (+351) 219 755 345 Fax (+351) 926 008 657 Mob. From paul at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Oct 30 17:21:24 2014 From: paul at esru.strath.ac.uk (paul) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 17:21:24 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] BS'15 Abstracts due November 15th. Message-ID: <54527394.3010404@esru.strath.ac.uk> BS 2015 BS 2015, the 14th International Conference of the International Building Performance Simulation Association (IBPSA) is going to be held in Hyderabad, India from 7th to 9th December, 2015. 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[cid:image001.jpg at 01CFF502.9F86B920] - In the zone control menu I've defined control for the three days and allowed anything out with this period to free float [See images 2-4, below] [cid:image002.jpg at 01CFF502.9F86B920] [cid:image003.jpg at 01CFF502.9F86B920] [cid:image004.jpg at 01CFF502.9F86B920] - I've run a simulation which covers the three day period. See below the sensible heating from the period 12-2-2014 to 15-2-2014. I cannot understand why there is NO heat injected between 0hr and 1hr on the 13th feb or why there IS heat injected between 0hr and 1hr on the 15th feb. [cid:image005.jpg at 01CFF502.9F86B920] What is also interesting is that I changed the control on the 14th feb back to "freefloating." I would've expected the sensible heating graph to show heat being put in from 10am on the 12th (day type - heat on) until 24 hours on the 13th (day type - steady heat). However the heating appears to be on from 10am - midnight on the 12th and then from 1am on the 13th until 1am on the 14th. I've tried different ways of defining the control but can't seem to fix this. Please let me know if you have any thoughts on this. Thanks, Jordan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ www.resilience14.com, Follow us on twitter @BREevents #Resilience14 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Privileged and confidential information and/or copyright material may be contained in this e-mail. If you are not the intended addressee you may not copy or deliver it to anyone else or use it in any unauthorised manner. To do so is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you receive this e-mail by mistake, please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy all copies. Thank you. 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You have three options to connect to the audio portion: ? In North America, you can dial toll-free (1 877 413 4781 , enter conference ID 397 424 5 ) ? Overseas, you can dial via telephone ( +1 613 960 7510 --- charges may apply, enter conference ID 397 424 5 ) ? If you have a microphone, you can join via your computer?s internet connection. Click on the link below, an select audio from the meeting menu once the meeting has started. Audio quality may be hit-and-miss. - Alex ________________________________ From: Robin Sinha [mailto:messenger at webex.com] Sent: October 31, 2014 14:14 To: Ferguson, Alex Subject: Invitation ? une r?union : ESP-r ****The English version will follow**** Bonjour Alex Ferguson, Robin Sinha vous invite ? participer ? cette r?union en ligne. Sujet : ESP-r Date : vendredi 7 novembre 2014 Heure : 9:00, Heure normale de l'Est (New York, GMT-05:00) Num?ro de la r?union : 556 493 262 Mot de passe de la r?union : ESP-r ------------------------------------------------------- Pour participer ? la r?union en ligne ------------------------------------------------------- 1. Allez sur le site https://pwgsc-nh.webex.com/pwgsc-nh-fr/j.php?MTID=m97ac8d8e763f79016c47ac21a99b9041 2. Entrez votre nom et votre adresse ?lectronique. 3. Entrez le mot de passe de la r?union : ESP-r 4. Cliquez sur Prendre part maintenant. ------------------------------------------------------- Pour rejoindre uniquement la t?l?conf?rence ------------------------------------------------------- Call-in toll-free number : 1-8774134781 (Etats-Unis d'Am?rique) Call-in number : 1-6139607510 (Etats-Unis d'Am?rique) Conference ID : 397 424 5 ------------------------------------------------------- Pour obtenir de l'aide ------------------------------------------------------- 1. Allez sur le site https://pwgsc-nh-fr.webex.com 2. Dans la barre de navigation, ? gauche, cliquez sur Assistance. 3. Composez num?ro sans frais: 1-800-226-6338 ou 613-941-9554 Vous pouvez me contacter au : hbcs-webex at nrcan-rncan.gc.ca Pour ajouter cette r?union ? votre programme de calendrier (par exemple dans Microsoft Outlook), cliquez sur ce lien : https://pwgsc-nh.webex.com/pwgsc-nh-fr/j.php?MTID=m86871a25a77a36a49b1eae82093d78ef Pour lire des fichiers rich media UCF (Universal Communications Format), vous devez disposer de lecteurs compatibles. V?rifiez que votre ordinateur poss?de les lecteurs ad?quats en acc?dant ? https://pwgsc-nh.webex.com/pwgsc-nh-fr/systemdiagnosis.php. REMARQUE IMPORTANTE : Ce service WebEx comprend une fonctionnalit? qui permet d'enregistrer de l'audio, des documents et tous mat?riels ?chang?s ou visualis?s pendant une session. En rejoignant cette session, vous consentez ? ces enregistrements. Si vous ne consentez pas ? ces enregistrements, discutez-en avec l'organisateur de la r?union avant le d?but de l'enregistrement ou ne rejoignez pas la session. Veuillez prendre note que de tels enregistrements peuvent ?tre communiqu?s en cas de litiges. ****************************************************** ****You can forward this email invitation to attendees**** Hello Alex Ferguson, Robin Sinha invites you to attend this online meeting. Topic: ESP-r Date: vendredi 7 novembre 2014 Time: 9:00, Heure normale de l'Est (New York, GMT-05:00) Meeting Number: 556 493 262 Meeting Password: ESP-r ------------------------------------------------------- To join the online meeting ------------------------------------------------------- 1. Go to https://pwgsc-nh.webex.com/pwgsc-nh-fr/j.php?MTID=m97ac8d8e763f79016c47ac21a99b9041 2. Enter your name and email address. 3. Enter the meeting password: ESP-r 4. 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However, support will no longer be provided for individual developers to branch off "master" and to contribute code through "pull" or "merge" requests. Rather, a simple (admittedly unsophisticated) set of procedures are being proposed and will be discussed during the electronic meeting November 7. The proposed set of procedures is outlined below. I look forward to discussing this on November 7 so that we can move forward on incorporating a number of lingering code contributions. Regards, - Ian *Proposed code contribution procedures* 1. Download a ZIP of the latest source from https://github.com/ESP-rCommunity/ESP-rSource. 2. Extract the ZIP archive into a directory called "archive". 3. Create a copy of "archive" using the following command: cp -R archive my-code 4. Merge your code changes into the "my-code" directory. 5. Run a recursive diff to ensure that the only differences between "archive" and "my-code" are your intended additions, deletions, and changes. 6. Do a complete build of "archive" and "my-code". 7. Run tester.pl to contrast the simulation predictions between "archive" and "my-code". 8. Create a patch of your code changes using the following command: diff -rupN archive/ my-code/ > code-contribution.patch 9. Email "code-contribution.patch" to the archivist using the email template below. Email template for code contributions: Send a note to the archivist using the template below once you have completed these steps. Summary of changes: - If the submitted code bundles together numerous contributions, then provide a one or two sentence description of each. Use a separate point for each item and clearly indicate whether it provides new functionality for the user, repairs a bug, tidies code, or is a work in progress. Do not dwell on the details but rather provide a high-level description that communicates the significance of the change to users and other developers. - If new functionality is provided for the user, then indicate whether this affects the Simulator, the Project Manager, the Results Analyzer, etc. If this code affects the Project Manager or Results Analyzer, then detail this change from the user's perspective. If a new model has been added, then provide a citation to a thesis or a paper that describes its theoretical basis. - If a bug has been repaired, then indicate whether this affects the Simulator, the Project Manager, the Results Analyzer, etc. If it affects simulation results, then detail under what circumstances. - If this change tidies code without providing (at this point in time) new functionality or repairing a bug, then clearly indicate this. - If this contribution is a work in progress that does not provide (at this point in time) new functionality or repair a bug, then clearly indicate this. - IMPORTANT: Use proper grammar and spelling! Testing summary: - Successfully compiled GTK and X11 versions of ESP-r on Linux (GCC x.y.z). - Successfully compiled X11 version on Cygwin (GCC x.y.z). - Exercised relevant bps and prj menus for both GTK and X11 versions on Linux. All menus found to work as expected. - Ran tester.pl over complete test suite comparing archive to my-code using X11 version on Linux. All test cases passed: no differences reported. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20141031/4889175a/attachment.html From iiwonkai at interia.pl Fri Oct 31 19:26:46 2014 From: iiwonkai at interia.pl (Iwona) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 20:26:46 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] temperature Message-ID: Dear All, I prepared small one-zone object with walls made of full brick. I chose a constant outside temperature of 0 degrees Celsius. Inside of the zone I warm up to 25 degrees and then turned off the heating. It is possible that the equalization of outside and inside temperature was only after 1,5 months. Or maybe I forgot something? Thank you very much, ? Regards, I.Silva From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Sat Nov 1 15:17:44 2014 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 15:17:44 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: temperature In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: How did you define the outside temperature of zero? The traditional way to do this is to create a weather file which has a constant outside temperature. What are your assumptions for wind speed and solar radiation? One would expect an initial descries in temperature after the heat was turned off and then the rate of change to decrease and the delta T reduced. It might take some time for the temperatures to come really close to equality. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Iwona [iiwonkai at interia.pl] Sent: 31 October 2014 19:26 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club Subject: [esp-r] temperature Dear All, I prepared small one-zone object with walls made of full brick. I chose a constant outside temperature of 0 degrees Celsius. Inside of the zone I warm up to 25 degrees and then turned off the heating. It is possible that the equalization of outside and inside temperature was only after 1,5 months. Or maybe I forgot something? Thank you very much, Regards, I.Silva _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From iiwonkai at interia.pl Sun Nov 2 12:49:50 2014 From: iiwonkai at interia.pl (Iwona) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2014 13:49:50 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: temperature In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you for your answer I wanted to create laboratory conditions. Defining the environment, I chose the 'Prescribed static' and then constant temperature (0.0)and radiation (0.0) for all walls. Initially, decrease in temperature was rapid, and later it was slower, and about 1.5 months there has been a stabilization of the processes of heat transfer and equalization of outside and inside temperature. I am just distrustful about this long time of temperature equalization and failure to take account some parameter or program function. Thank you very much, Regards, I.Silva U?ytkownik "Jon Hand" napisa?(a): > Temat: [esp-r] Re: temperature > Data: 2014-11-01 16:18 > Nadawca: "Jon Hand" > Adresat: "Iwona" ; "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club" ; > > > How did you define the outside temperature of zero? > > The traditional way to do this is to create a weather file which has > a constant outside temperature. What are your assumptions for > wind speed and solar radiation? > > One would expect an initial descries in temperature after the heat was turned > off and then the rate of change to decrease and the delta T reduced. It might > take some time for the temperatures to come really close to equality. > > -Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Iwona [iiwonkai at interia.pl] > Sent: 31 October 2014 19:26 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Club > Subject: [esp-r] temperature > > Dear All, > I prepared small one-zone object with walls made of full brick. > I chose a constant outside temperature of 0 degrees Celsius. > Inside of the zone I warm up to 25 degrees and then turned off the heating. > > It is possible that the equalization of outside and inside temperature was only after 1,5 months. Or maybe I forgot something? > > > Thank you very much, > > Regards, > I.Silva > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > From grobe at gmx.net Sat Nov 8 12:09:19 2014 From: grobe at gmx.net (Lars O. Grobe) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 14:09:19 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Import of zone geometry from Blender Message-ID: Hi, as I got rather used to use Blender (v2.71 used) to create geometry for simulations, I wanted to investigate the possibility to use it with esp-r and tried to import some simple test object (a cube). However, regardless wether I export the surfaces as 3dfaces, polylines or polyfaces, esp-r crashes during the import. I have a fresh install based on yesterday's svn, built using gcc v4.9 on Mac OS X v10.9.5 (Darwin v13.4). The last messages I get: -- Starting ecnv in esp mode with in file cube.dxf and output file iyte_studio/cfg/iyte_studio.cfg. ESP-r Data Conversion Utility (ecnv) Release 11.11. Copyright resides with the member organisations of the ESP-r development consortium as listed at: http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/Programs/ESP-r_central.htm Using installed version of esprc file. Input file is: cube.dxf The esp-r configuration file will be: iyte_studio/cfg/iyte_studio.cfg Scanning the problem before updating... End of conversion. Fatal error: In ../zones/PYDXF.geo expecting 4 items (insolation data) in... Note: The following floating-point exceptions are signalling: IEEE_DIVIDE_BY_ZERO -- Manually calling ecnv leads to PYDXF files containing no geometry: -- bash-3.2$ ecnv -if dxf -of esp -in cube.dxf -out test.esp Starting ecnv in esp mode with in file cube.dxf and output file test.esp. ESP-r Data Conversion Utility (ecnv) Release 11.11. Copyright resides with the member organisations of the ESP-r development consortium as listed at: http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/Programs/ESP-r_central.htm Using installed version of esprc file. Input file is: cube.dxf The esp-r configuration file will be: test.esp End of conversion. -- Has anyone out there found a way to get geometry from Blender or any other open-source modeling tool into esp-r? Cheers, Lars. From aly.elharidi at strath.ac.uk Sun Nov 16 08:59:10 2014 From: aly.elharidi at strath.ac.uk (Aly Elharidi) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 08:59:10 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] EPW File Editer Message-ID: Dear all I am using IES-VE simulation tool and I would like to make some changes on the weather file, does any body can help me to find EPW file editor or any other way to make modification on the weather file Thanks Aly M. El-haridi Ph.D Researcher Department of Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering University of Strathclyde | James Weir Building | 75 Montrose Street | Glasgow | G1 1XJ Teaching Assistant Mechanical Engineering Department Arab Academy For Science, Technology & Maritime Transport Alexandria | Egypt | P.O. Box 1029 From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Sun Nov 16 15:16:09 2014 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 16:16:09 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: EPW File Editer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <37EB5CB5-647B-4824-9276-6654C1890247@intergga.ch> Dear Aly, EPW files are essentially comma-separated-ASCII-files (csv). You can edit these with whatever tool you are comfortable with when manipulating column data (e.g. spreadsheet or plot program or something like MathCAD). I have no idea which values from the EPW files IES-VE uses, but provided the data format is the same as for ESP-r, you could use clm to transform your edited EPW file to the ESP-r binary climate file format. Good luck. Best Achim On Nov 16, 2014, at 9:59 AM, Aly Elharidi wrote: > Dear all > > I am using IES-VE simulation tool and I would like to make some changes on the weather file, does any body can help me to find EPW file editor or any other way to make modification on the weather file > > Thanks > > > > Aly M. El-haridi > Ph.D Researcher > Department of Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering > University of Strathclyde | James Weir Building | 75 Montrose Street | Glasgow | G1 1XJ > > Teaching Assistant > Mechanical Engineering Department > Arab Academy For Science, Technology & Maritime Transport > Alexandria | Egypt | P.O. Box 1029 > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch From sadeghipour at gmail.com Sun Nov 16 16:51:54 2014 From: sadeghipour at gmail.com (Mostapha Sadeghipour) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 11:51:54 -0500 Subject: [esp-r] Re: EPW File Editer In-Reply-To: <37EB5CB5-647B-4824-9276-6654C1890247@intergga.ch> References: <37EB5CB5-647B-4824-9276-6654C1890247@intergga.ch> Message-ID: Aly, Elements is another option for editing epw file: ( http://bigladdersoftware.com/projects/elements/) Mostapha On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Achim Geissler wrote: > Dear Aly, > > EPW files are essentially comma-separated-ASCII-files (csv). You can edit > these with whatever tool you are comfortable with when manipulating column > data (e.g. spreadsheet or plot program or something like MathCAD). > > I have no idea which values from the EPW files IES-VE uses, but provided > the data format is the same as for ESP-r, you could use clm to transform > your edited EPW file to the ESP-r binary climate file format. > > Good luck. > Best > Achim > > > On Nov 16, 2014, at 9:59 AM, Aly Elharidi > wrote: > > > Dear all > > > > I am using IES-VE simulation tool and I would like to make some changes > on the weather file, does any body can help me to find EPW file editor or > any other way to make modification on the weather file > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Aly M. 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20141116/08a8032c/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Nov 19 08:39:31 2014 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 08:39:31 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: EPW File Editer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A question about EPW file. Dru Crawley and I designed the EPW file. It is an ASCII file with a Published definition of the header portion and a regular format for the column data. So you could use a text editor to change specific values. For systematic changes you might save the column portion to a spreadsheet and then apply macros, or if you know how to use pattern matching languages such as awk to make changes. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Aly Elharidi [aly.elharidi at strath.ac.uk] Sent: 16 November 2014 08:59 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] EPW File Editer Dear all I am using IES-VE simulation tool and I would like to make some changes on the weather file, does any body can help me to find EPW file editor or any other way to make modification on the weather file Thanks Aly M. El-haridi Ph.D Researcher Department of Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering University of Strathclyde | James Weir Building | 75 Montrose Street | Glasgow | G1 1XJ Teaching Assistant Mechanical Engineering Department Arab Academy For Science, Technology & Maritime Transport Alexandria | Egypt | P.O. Box 1029 _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From jcrossett at phasechange.com Wed Nov 19 15:52:39 2014 From: jcrossett at phasechange.com (Jeremiah Crossett) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 07:52:39 -0800 Subject: [esp-r] Re: EPW File Editer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Also, you might download Energy Plus and find in the preprocess folder the weather sub folder is a small program for exporting csv file from epw and importing csv back to epw. *??Jeremiah D. Crossett ** | Senior Analyst **| **LEED Green Associate * *??7411 SW Capitol Highway | Portland, OR 97219 ?? | Mobile 503-688-8951www.phasechange.com * On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:39 AM, Jon Hand wrote: > > A question about EPW file. Dru Crawley and I designed the EPW file. It is > an ASCII file with a Published > definition of the header portion and a regular format for the column data. > So you could use a text editor > to change specific values. For systematic changes you might save the > column portion to a spreadsheet > and then apply macros, or if you know how to use pattern matching > languages such as awk to make > changes. > > -Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] > on behalf of Aly Elharidi [aly.elharidi at strath.ac.uk] > Sent: 16 November 2014 08:59 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] EPW File Editer > > Dear all > > I am using IES-VE simulation tool and I would like to make some changes on > the weather file, does any body can help me to find EPW file editor or any > other way to make modification on the weather file > > Thanks > > > > Aly M. 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Unavailable!/ /mv: impossible to move ?/root/esp-r.desktop? to ?/root/Desktop/esp-r.desktop?: no file of that type/ / - building enableSQLite... / / ERROR: could not build executable enableSQLite! / / ERROR: result /root/Src/cvsdude/development_branch/src/lib/libSQLite.a! / " And at the end " /Install: Fatal error. / / Executable enableSQLite could not be built!/ / Installation aborted./ " See the enclosed file for more details. Did I do something wrong, or is Ubuntu to recent for espr ? Thanks for your answers ! Amaury Guignard, from France -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20141121/72faa216/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- Installing ESP-r system. This may take some time. - gathering versioning information from svn... Unavailable! mv: impossible de d?placer ?/root/esp-r.desktop? vers ?/root/Desktop/esp-r.desktop?: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type - building enableSQLite... ERROR: could not build executable enableSQLite! ERROR: result /root/Src/cvsdude/development_branch/src/lib/libSQLite.a! Compilation messages follow: ----------------------------------------- Compilation of enableSQLite on vendredi 21 novembre 2014, 16:49:04 (UTC+0100) Make command: ------------- make MCTYPE=lin MCC=gcc MCPL=g++ MFC=gfortran DESTdir=/opt/esru ESPdir=/opt/esru/esp-r WWLINK=unshared EXE= XINSTALLDIR=-pthread -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/include/gio-unix-2.0/ -I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/include/libpng12 -I/usr/include/gdk-pixbuf-2.0 -I/usr/include/libpng12 -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/harfbuzz -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/freetype2 -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0 -lpangocairo-1.0 -latk-1.0 -lcairo -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lgio-2.0 -lpangoft2-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -lgobject-2.0 -lglib-2.0 -lfontconfig -lfreetype CFLAGS=-I../include -I../shocc -I/usr/local/include -I../cetc/h3kreports -I/usr/include -I/usr/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/include/libxslt -I/local/include/libxslt -DLIN -DGTK -DXSL -DSQLITE -g FFLAGS=-I../include -I../shocc -I/usr/local/include -I../cetc/h3kreports -DLIN -DGTK -g -fno-automatic -DGCC4 LD_FLAGS=-Wl,--reduce-memory-overheads ULIBS=-L/root/Src/cvsdude/development_branch/src/lib -lversion -lgtkesru -L-pthread -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/include/gio-unix-2.0/ -I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/include/libpng12 -I/usr/include/gdk-pixbuf-2.0 -I/usr/include/libpng12 -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/harfbuzz -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/freetype2 -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0 -lpangocairo-1.0 -latk-1.0 -lcairo -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lgio-2.0 -lpangoft2-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -lgobject-2.0 -lglib-2.0 -lfontconfig -lfreetype -lXML -lstdc++ -lxslt -lxml2 -L/usr/local/lib -lSQLite -lsqlite3 -lstdc++ xml_status= SQLite_status= -f Makefile enableSQLite >>.make_msg 2>&1 Make output: ------------ cd `pwd`/lib; \ make the_libSQLite make[1]: Entering directory '/root/Src/cvsdude/development_branch/src/lib' rm -f DBManager.cpp ; ln -s `pwd`/../cetc/h3kreports/DBManager.cpp .; g++ -Wl,--reduce-memory-overheads -I../include -I../shocc -I/usr/local/include -I../cetc/h3kreports -I/usr/include -I/usr/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/include/libxslt -I/local/include/libxslt -DLIN -DGTK -DXSL -DSQLITE -g -c DBManager.cpp In file included from DBManager.cpp:1:0: ../cetc/h3kreports/DBManager.h:9:21: fatal error: sqlite3.h: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type #include ^ compilation terminated. Makefile:181: recipe for target 'DBManager.o' failed make[1]: *** [DBManager.o] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory '/root/Src/cvsdude/development_branch/src/lib' Makefile:38: recipe for target 'enableSQLite' failed make: *** [enableSQLite] Error 2 ----------------------------------------- Install: Fatal error. Executable enableSQLite could not be built! Installation aborted. From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Nov 21 16:56:44 2014 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 16:56:44 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Trouble Installing Esp-R on Ubuntu 14.04 In-Reply-To: <546F6407.4060109@gmail.com> References: <546F6407.4060109@gmail.com> Message-ID: I suggest you go to the src folder and issue a 'make clean' Then re-do the Install but say NO to the question about SQLite. NOTE: the CVSDUDE site is out of date and no longer maintained. ESRU source has migrated to github: git clone --recursive https://github.com/ESP-rCommunity/ESP-rSource.git -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Amaury Guignard [amaury.guignard at gmail.com] Sent: 21 November 2014 16:10 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Trouble Installing Esp-R on Ubuntu 14.04 Hello dear member of this group, I don't know is it's the right place to post this, as I didn't find any thread about installation on this List ... Well, I downloaded the source code from different places, meaning: - https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/branches/development_branch and - https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/trunk I guess all the dependancies were installed (I checked the manual and a few forums). After launching the install programm, always the same fatal error is displayed: at the beginning: " Installing ESP-r system. This may take some time. - gathering versioning information from svn... Unavailable! mv: impossible to move ?/root/esp-r.desktop? to ?/root/Desktop/esp-r.desktop?: no file of that type - building enableSQLite... ERROR: could not build executable enableSQLite! ERROR: result /root/Src/cvsdude/development_branch/src/lib/libSQLite.a! " And at the end " Install: Fatal error. Executable enableSQLite could not be built! Installation aborted. " See the enclosed file for more details. Did I do something wrong, or is Ubuntu to recent for espr ? Thanks for your answers ! Amaury Guignard, from France From amar.seeam at strath.ac.uk Thu Nov 27 20:39:06 2014 From: amar.seeam at strath.ac.uk (Amar Seeam) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 20:39:06 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Negative values in Imposed TDFA Message-ID: <0864B8310DF4074AB966763D3D9C26631AF3375D@EX2010-MBX2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Hi, Using the imposed data facility - the simulator doesn't accept negative values (temperatures). Does it require a specific format? Without the negative sign it works, so it seems to be a problem with the processing of the negative sign. Thanks, Amar. From gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr Mon Dec 1 12:48:15 2014 From: gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr (=?UTF-8?Q?G=C3=BCl_Nihal_G=C3=BC=C4=9F=C3=BCl?=) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 12:48:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [esp-r] GSHP Message-ID: <475634766.3665535.1417438095832.JavaMail.yahoo@jws11125.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Hi,?I am tring to add a GSHP heating system to my model, as below:Networks ?plants and systems ???idealized? add a new system ? ground source heatpump ?heating? no backup ? steady state capacity10000 W?heat pump COP 40 ?flow rate -1 ?flow rate at rating conditions -1 ?circulation fan mode-continuous mode ?circulation fan position 1 ?circulation fan power 1000 ?outdoor fan power 1000 ?fan power ass with auto mode 1000 However, when I simulate my model, in my out.csv file all values for GSHP as electricity used are all "0". I am doind something wrong but I dont know what is wrong.?Thanks for any help?Best?Gul?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20141201/6410626d/attachment.html From gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr Mon Dec 1 14:53:20 2014 From: gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr (=?UTF-8?Q?G=C3=BCl_Nihal_G=C3=BC=C4=9F=C3=BCl?=) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 14:53:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [esp-r] cellular_pv example of esp-r Message-ID: <881823035.3796233.1417445600058.JavaMail.yahoo@jws11101.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Hi,?There is an example in esp-r for fotovoltaics which is described in link --> http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/Courseware/ESP-r/photovoltaics.htm?There is an? PV modulesmounted on the existing Wall?of?manager_a. I want to enlarge this pv module. I am enlaging the module by changing its vertex coordinates and area of mod?le becomes 2 times bigger however when I simulate and chech results analysis->electrical results-> total generation, total generation changes?in very small ?amount and is not 2 times bigger than first simulation.?How can I add pv modules or enlarge existing mod?le in order to get more electricity generation??Thanks for any help?Best?Gul?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However it just so happens that I am working on a similar issue as we speak, so I can certainly direct you to the relevant parts of the code if you wish. Best regards, Andy Cowie ESRU ________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of G?l Nihal G???l [gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr] Sent: 01 December 2014 12:48 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] GSHP Hi, I am tring to add a GSHP heating system to my model, as below: Networks --> plants and systems --> idealized --> add a new system --> ground source heat pump -->heating --> no backup --> steady state capacity 10000 W--> heat pump COP 40 --> flow rate -1 --> flow rate at rating conditions -1 --> circulation fan mode-continuous mode --> circulation fan position 1 --> circulation fan power 1000 --> outdoor fan power 1000 --> fan power ass with auto mode 1000 However, when I simulate my model, in my out.csv file all values for GSHP as electricity used are all "0". I am doind something wrong but I dont know what is wrong. Thanks for any help Best Gul From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Mon Dec 1 19:03:57 2014 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 20:03:57 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: cellular_pv example of esp-r In-Reply-To: <881823035.3796233.1417445600058.JavaMail.yahoo@jws11101.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> References: <881823035.3796233.1417445600058.JavaMail.yahoo@jws11101.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi G?l, the actual definition of the PV is in the "special materials" file (cfg folder of the model). Here you can set the number of panels / cells actually being used. Of course, you can optionally also "re-use" the definition for additional surfaces. There is no "hard link" between surface size in the model and PV size, however. Best Achim On Dec 1, 2014, at 3:53 PM, G?l Nihal G???l wrote: > > Hi, > > There is an example in esp-r for fotovoltaics which is described in link --> http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/Courseware/ESP-r/photovoltaics.htm > > There is an PV modulesmounted on the existing Wall of manager_a. I want to enlarge this pv module. > I am enlaging the module by changing its vertex coordinates and area of mod?le becomes 2 times bigger however when I simulate and chech results analysis->electrical results-> total generation, total generation changes in very small amount and is not 2 times bigger than first simulation. > > How can I add pv modules or enlarge existing mod?le in order to get more electricity generation? > > Thanks for any help > > Best > > Gul > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20141201/ad626193/attachment.html From gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr Tue Dec 2 08:47:09 2014 From: gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr (=?UTF-8?Q?G=C3=BCl_Nihal_G=C3=BC=C4=9F=C3=BCl?=) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 08:47:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [esp-r] Yan: Re: cellular_pv example of esp-r In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1435910843.4136120.1417510029883.JavaMail.yahoo@jws11136.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Hi Achim,?Thank you for your reply I solved this problem by increasing number of panels in spm file.?BestGul 1 Aral?k 2014 21:06 Pazartesi tarihinde Achim Geissler ??yle yazd?: Hi G?l, the actual definition of the PV is in the "special materials" file (cfg folder of the model). Here you can set the number of panels / cells actually being used. Of course, you can optionally also "re-use" the definition for additional surfaces. There is no "hard link" between surface size in the model and PV size, however. BestAchim On Dec 1, 2014, at 3:53 PM, G?l Nihal G???l wrote: Hi,?There is an example in esp-r for fotovoltaics which is described in link --> http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/Courseware/ESP-r/photovoltaics.htm?There is an? PV modulesmounted on the existing Wall?of?manager_a. I want to enlarge this pv module. I am enlaging the module by changing its vertex coordinates and area of mod?le becomes 2 times bigger however when I simulate and chech results analysis->electrical results-> total generation, total generation changes?in very small ?amount and is not 2 times bigger than first simulation.?How can I add pv modules or enlarge existing mod?le in order to get more electricity generation??Thanks for any help?Best?Gul??_______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20141202/48e80ebb/attachment.html From jeremy at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Dec 3 16:48:01 2014 From: jeremy at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jeremy Cockroft) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 16:48:01 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r Introductory and Advanced Workshops 9-11 February 2015 Message-ID: <9A4EB5D8394D974488B1804FDEC09FEA130A893B@EX2010-MBX2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Dear Colleagues, The next Introduction to ESP-r workshops at the University of Strathclyde in Glasgow (map link below) will be held on 9-10 February 2015, with an additional advanced day on 11th February covering topics related to air flow modelling and plant systems modelling and simulation. ESP-r is an integrated dynamic modelling tool for the simulation of the thermal performance of buildings and the assessment of their energy use. The system is equipped to model heat, air, moisture and electrical power flows at user determined resolution. It is available at no cost under an Open Source license. More details at http://www.strath.ac.uk/esru ESP-r workshop sessions are designed to give you hands-on simulation experience as well to develop the underlying skills needed to translate design questions into models which deliver new information and insights. The two-day workshop is intended for those new to ESP-r. For those who have recently joined the ESP-r development community, an introductory workshop is a very good way to explore the relationships between the various modules of the ESP-r suite and how they might be impacted by future software developments. The three day workshop covers the same topics as the introductory workshop, plus additional topics on the third day, related to modelling and simulation of HVAC plant systems. LOCATION James Weir Building 75 Montrose Street Glasgow G1 1XJ Map link: http://www.strath.ac.uk/maps/jamesweirbuilding PROGRAMME The following topics will be covered in the two day course: ? A brief introduction to simulation and how it differs from simplified models ? Introduction to the ESP-r interface, modules and layout of model folders ? Browsing exemplar models and invoking simulations ? Review of weather data ? Construction materials and optical properties ? Creation of a simple model ? Occupancy and lighting patterns in rooms ? Scheduled infiltration and ventilation in rooms ? Setting up and running simulations, explanation of 'save levels' ? Exploration of building performance ? Exporting data from simulation for use with other tools ? Checking models prior to simulation ? Add shading obstructions to a model and calculate shading patterns ? Ideal environmental controls ? Fine-tune controls and test under-capacity systems ? Increase model resolution and numerical resolution ? Integrated Performance Views ? Planning and creation of a new model ? Creation and presentation of your model The following additional topics will be covered in the three day course: ? Overview of dynamic air flow assessments ? Creation of a simple mass flow network ? Control of flow within a mass flow network ? Representing natural ventilation via a mass flow network ? Overview of plant component based systems ? Add a simple plant system to an existing model ? Explore system performance and controls The workshop will be fast-paced and interactive. Delegates should find a wealth of productive techniques and tips from experts to do simulation quicker, cheaper, and better. The Workshop runs from 9h00 to 17h00 each day. Participants are required to bring their own laptops with ESP-r installed. Further details will be forwarded to registrants. COST & REGISTRATION The cost of attending the two day workshop is ?340, and the three day workshop ?410. Please visit our on-line shop for registration. Please pass this invitation to others who may be interested. Best regards, Jeremy Cockroft Energy Systems Research Unit University of Strathclyde 75 Montrose Street, Glasgow, G1 1XJ phone +44(0)141 548 2314 email jeremy at esru.strath.ac.uk website www. strath.ac.uk/esru The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC015263 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20141203/d6a55099/attachment-0001.html From cn06arc at leeds.ac.uk Fri Dec 5 11:31:12 2014 From: cn06arc at leeds.ac.uk (Andrew Cowie) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 11:31:12 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: GSHP In-Reply-To: <1951888169.4271533.1417522665013.JavaMail.yahoo@jws11112.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> References: , <1951888169.4271533.1417522665013.JavaMail.yahoo@jws11112.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Gul, I have reviewed your selected options when creating the GSHP system (below), and they seem fine. I do not think it is a problem with your specification of the system. A possible problem could be that you have not specified zone controls. The zone controls provide idealized heating loads, that are then passed to the GSHP routines to process into power consumptions. If you have not specified the controls then the GSHP system has nothing to work from. These can be specified in the menu from the project manager. In the browse/edit/simulate menu, under "... Controls....." select option "j zones", create a control file, and proceed to define your controls. If you have already defined controls and it is still not working, there may be a problem with the hvac input file; I have encoutered similar issues. Open your ****.hvac file in a text editor; the default location for this is in [your_model_directory]/cfg/hvac. Check for particularly long lines of data; sometimes these can be too long for the buffers within ESP-r which results in errors when reading in the data. To fix the problem remove any trailing 0's from the data, and remove excess spaces between the data values (though be sure to leave at least 1 space between each). Note however that if you then go into the idealised plant menu, edit the data, and then re-save the file, you will need to do this again. I hope this solves your problem. Cheers, Andy Cowie ESRU ________________________________ From: G?l Nihal G???l [gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr] Sent: 02 December 2014 12:17 To: Andrew Cowie Subject: Yan: [esp-r] Re: GSHP Hi Andrew, Thank you for your reply and time. I am running with save option 5 and I saw the file H3K and checked it. yes there is data about energy consumed by gshp however all data are zero. I think I ahve someting wrong when I am selecting the properties of gshp system. montly data is enough for me. Can you inform me about the steps when I am creating a GSHP system for my model. I mean what I have to do after this step--> Networks --> plants and systems --> idealized --> add a new system --> ground source heat pump -->heating -->? I tried many options but result seems still zero. Best Gul 1 Aral?k 2014 17:32 Pazartesi tarihinde Andrew Cowie ??yle yazd?: Hi Gul, The idealised plant functionality is post-processing that was implemented as part of a package collectively called H3K. If you run your simulation with save option 5 you should get a file called "[your_cfg_file].h3k" instead of a results library that will contain summary information which should include information about the GSHP. I think you need to compile with XML support to enable this. I am unsure if there is currently a way to get time-step output on idealised plant networks. However it just so happens that I am working on a similar issue as we speak, so I can certainly direct you to the relevant parts of the code if you wish. Best regards, Andy Cowie ESRU ________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of G?l Nihal G???l [gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr] Sent: 01 December 2014 12:48 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] GSHP Hi, I am tring to add a GSHP heating system to my model, as below: Networks --> plants and systems --> idealized --> add a new system --> ground source heat pump -->heating --> no backup --> steady state capacity 10000 W--> heat pump COP 40 --> flow rate -1 --> flow rate at rating conditions -1 --> circulation fan mode-continuous mode --> circulation fan position 1 --> circulation fan power 1000 --> outdoor fan power 1000 --> fan power ass with auto mode 1000 However, when I simulate my model, in my out.csv file all values for GSHP as electricity used are all "0". I am doind something wrong but I dont know what is wrong. Thanks for any help Best Gul _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From g.gassab.omar at gmail.com Fri Dec 5 13:41:58 2014 From: g.gassab.omar at gmail.com (Omar Gassab) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 14:41:58 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] help Message-ID: hello my name is Omar, I'm studant. i want to use ESP-r software but I don't know how i can download it Is it free licence? i woldlike you helps me, please. thank you sir salutations -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20141205/12094a89/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Fri Dec 5 15:04:56 2014 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 16:04:56 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001801d0109c$d4bbe290$7e33a7b0$@intergga.ch> Dear Omar, yes, the Software is free. I would suggest you look on the ESRU Homepage (http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/Programs/ESP-r.htm) for initial information on available versions and how to get them (easiest: a Unix/Linux system; hardest: a native Windows system). Best Achim Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Omar Gassab Gesendet: Freitag, 5. Dezember 2014 14:42 An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: [esp-r] help hello my name is Omar, I'm studant. i want to use ESP-r software but I don't know how i can download it Is it free licence? i woldlike you helps me, please. thank you sir salutations -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20141205/8edad734/attachment.html From 503271081 at qq.com Fri Dec 5 15:18:10 2014 From: 503271081 at qq.com (=?gb18030?B?wOTD5rqux7k=?=) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 23:18:10 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] =?gb18030?b?u9i4tKO6IFJlOiBoZWxw?= Message-ID: I have the native windows version of esp-r ---????--- ???: "Achim Geissler" ????: 2014?12?05? 23:07:33 ???: "'Omar Gassab'";"esp-r"; ??: [esp-r] Re: help Dear Omar, yes, the Software is free. I would suggest you look on the ESRU Homepage (http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/Programs/ESP-r.htm) for initial information on available versions and how to get them (easiest: a Unix/Linux system; hardest: a native Windows system). Best Achim Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Omar Gassab Gesendet: Freitag, 5. Dezember 2014 14:42 An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: [esp-r] help hello my name is Omar, I'm studant. i want to use ESP-r software but I don't know how i can download it Is it free licence? i woldlike you helps me, please. thank you sir salutations -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20141205/fcd60286/attachment.html From gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr Tue Dec 9 14:02:33 2014 From: gulgugul at yahoo.com.tr (=?UTF-8?Q?G=C3=BCl_Nihal_G=C3=BC=C4=9F=C3=BCl?=) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 14:02:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [esp-r] SDHW and GSHP Message-ID: <361186315.7672762.1418133753994.JavaMail.yahoo@jws11176.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Hi,?Is there a document which describes how SDHW and GSHP is added to a model house?in esp-r??Thank you for any help.?Best wishes?Gul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20141209/3f44ca60/attachment.html From gianluca.brunetti at polimi.it Wed Dec 24 10:56:45 2014 From: gianluca.brunetti at polimi.it (Gian Luca Brunetti) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:56:45 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] windows install In-Reply-To: <361186315.7672762.1418133753994.JavaMail.yahoo@jws11176.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> References: <361186315.7672762.1418133753994.JavaMail.yahoo@jws11176.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <549A9BED.4040801@polimi.it> Dear list, is somewhere a web link where I could find a recent precompiled version of ESP-r for Windows 32 bits? I am having some difficulty in compiling ESP-r in the MinGW environment, probably for some missing or inadequate Fortran or math library. I am looking for a recent version because my old one (11.7) is not able to read the models created with the recent Linux-compiled ESP-r versions. Thanks a lot, in advance. Best regards Gian Luca Brunetti -- Gian Luca Brunetti dr.arch. DAStU Politecnico di Milano via Bonardi 3 20133 Milano tel. (+39) 02 2399 5750 From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Dec 29 07:55:26 2014 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 07:55:26 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: windows install In-Reply-To: <549A9BED.4040801@polimi.it> References: <361186315.7672762.1418133753994.JavaMail.yahoo@jws11176.mail.ir2.yahoo.com>, <549A9BED.4040801@polimi.it> Message-ID: I attach a link to a recent single-click installer for W7 computers. It should work on both 32bit and 64bit computers. And a more recent version of the Cookbook to go with it. Remember to check computer local so that real numbers use a dot rather than a comma. ;-) Here are the links below: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17785121/esp-r_cookbook_may_2014_c.pdf https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17785121/ESPr_Installers/ESP-r_setup_native_windows_w7_v12_1.exe ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Gian Luca Brunetti [gianluca.brunetti at polimi.it] Sent: 24 December 2014 10:56 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] windows install Dear list, is somewhere a web link where I could find a recent precompiled version of ESP-r for Windows 32 bits? I am having some difficulty in compiling ESP-r in the MinGW environment, probably for some missing or inadequate Fortran or math library. I am looking for a recent version because my old one (11.7) is not able to read the models created with the recent Linux-compiled ESP-r versions. Thanks a lot, in advance. Best regards Gian Luca Brunetti -- Gian Luca Brunetti dr.arch. DAStU Politecnico di Milano via Bonardi 3 20133 Milano tel. (+39) 02 2399 5750 _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From gianluca.brunetti at polimi.it Mon Dec 29 11:06:12 2014 From: gianluca.brunetti at polimi.it (Gian Luca Brunetti) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 12:06:12 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: windows install In-Reply-To: References: <361186315.7672762.1418133753994.JavaMail.yahoo@jws11176.mail.ir2.yahoo.com>, <549A9BED.4040801@polimi.it> Message-ID: <54A135A4.4090300@polimi.it> Thank you very much! It works perfectly. On 29/12/2014 08:55, Jon Hand wrote: > I attach a link to a recent single-click installer for W7 computers. It should work on both > 32bit and 64bit computers. And a more recent version of the Cookbook to go with it. > > Remember to check computer local so that real numbers use a dot rather than a comma. ;-) > > Here are the links below: > > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17785121/esp-r_cookbook_may_2014_c.pdf > > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17785121/ESPr_Installers/ESP-r_setup_native_windows_w7_v12_1.exe > > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] on behalf of Gian Luca Brunetti [gianluca.brunetti at polimi.it] > Sent: 24 December 2014 10:56 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] windows install > > Dear list, > is somewhere a web link where I could find a recent precompiled version > of ESP-r for Windows 32 bits? > > I am having some difficulty in compiling ESP-r in the MinGW environment, > probably for some missing or inadequate Fortran or math library. > > I am looking for a recent version because my old one (11.7) is not able > to read the models created with the recent Linux-compiled ESP-r versions. > > Thanks a lot, in advance. > > Best regards > > Gian Luca Brunetti > > > > -- > Gian Luca Brunetti > dr.arch. > DAStU > Politecnico di Milano > via Bonardi 3 > 20133 Milano > tel. (+39) 02 2399 5750 > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > . > -- Gian Luca Brunetti dr.arch. DAStU Politecnico di Milano via Bonardi 3 20133 Milano tel. (+39) 02 2399 5750