From lzyhust at 163.com Sun Jan 3 11:31:45 2010 From: lzyhust at 163.com (lzyhust) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 19:31:45 +0800 (CST) Subject: [esp-r] Setting Shading Coefficient for transparent constructions and double facade Message-ID: <11376213.179301262518305078.JavaMail.coremail@bj163app49.163.com> There is optics for transparent glass in the databbase. Then how to change the Sc for the transparent construction ?And how to do if there are three layers for transparent constructions, and each layer has a Shading Coefficient. For constrcut a double facade building, how to define the the inner glass in Shading&insolation> I have established a double facade model(see the picture). It shows no selected source When i try to compute the shading or insolation for the inner glass. Many thanks, Teresa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The short answer is that ESP-r does not use a "shading coefficient" which is a ratio of a specific glazing product to a 'standard single glazed window' as used by many engineering software from information supplied by glazing mfg. Optical properties in ESP-r are calculated via a 3rd part application such as WIS (in Europe) or Window 5.2 in North America. Optical properties are angular dependant (5 angles) and include overall solar band transmission at 5 angles. For each layer in the transparent construction there is solar absorption at 5 angles. The existing ESP-r optics databases are based on information imported from WIS or Window 5.2 (prj can directly import reports generated by these applications). It is difficult to give a full tutorial for WIS or Window 5.2 in an email. WIS and Window 5.2 take the raw data for each of the layers of glass and produce the kinds of information used by ESP-r. The optical properties in ESP-r are used by the calculation engine to figure out how much of the radiation arriving at the outer surface is absorbed in each layer of the transparent construction at each timestep an how much is transmitted into the room. SEPARATE calculations for SHADING tell the simulator whether it is necessary to modify the solar radiation arriving at surfaces of a building facade and the INSOLATION calculations tell the simulator how to distribute the solar radiation which has already passed through a transparent construction. The question seems to be asking about the relationship between shading and insolation calculations and optical properties. The calculation of optics is a separate calculation and is used whether or not there is any shading or insolation calculated. If, as an example there are 100W of direct radiation available and there is 25% shading at a specific hour of the day then 75W arrives at the outside transparent layer. If the optical properties of the glass control how much of the arriving energy passes through the glass or is absorbed in the glass. If 40W of radiation finally emerges from the transparent construction and enters the room the insolation calculations might put 10% of 40W onto the 2nd surface of the room and 20% to the 3rd surface and 70% to the 4th surface of the zone. In ESP-r (as in every other simulation tool that I know of) the calculation of insolation is used to predict where solar radiation will fall within a zone from glazing that is facing the outside. Insolation calculations are not designed to calculate the path of radiation arriving from an adjacent zone (such as a double skinned facade). This is why you get no 'option' for insolation calculation in the office room - there is no external facade. It would be wonderful if insolation were calculated between zones. That would require a significant coding effort. Currently, the radiation arriving in adjacent rooms (e.g. the occupied rooms in a double skin facade) get diffusely distributed radiation based on what arrived at the transparent partition and the optical properties of the partition. There is a 'trick' that can be used if the outer room is VERY THIN. The trick is not easy to explain in an email. Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of lzyhust [lzyhust at 163.com] Sent: 03 January 2010 11:31 To: esp-r Subject: [esp-r] Setting Shading Coefficient for transparent constructions and double facade There is optics for transparent glass in the databbase. Then how to change the Sc for the transparent construction ?And how to do if there are three layers for transparent constructions, and each layer has a Shading Coefficient. For constrcut a double facade building, how to define the the inner glass in Shading&insolation> [cid:bef70e$12e125f3f48135$Coremail$lzyhust at 163.com] I have established a double facade model(see the picture). It shows no selected source When i try to compute the shading or insolation for the inner glass. Many thanks, Teresa From aeerulab at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 08:46:04 2010 From: aeerulab at gmail.com (Chris Lee) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:46:04 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] Blind control problem Message-ID: <000901ca8de3$866bba20$93432e60$@com> Dear all, Recently I trying to apply internal blind control model for office building. The problem is that illuminance control doesn't work and even solar radiation, entering zone, doesn't change However, solar irradiance and ambient temperature work quite well. As I know, shaded pane will be active if illuminance, solar irradiance or ambient temperature is greater than set point. I gave set point of illuminance at 700lux for simple room and I found sky illuminance is more than 10,000lux(sometime more than 20,000lux) I will attach TMC contents (optical properties are library in esp-r) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- # transparent properties of room defined in ../zones/room.tmc 7 # surfaces # tmc index for each surface 0,0,0,0,0,0,1 3 DCF7671_06nb # layers in tmc type 1 # Transmission @ 5 angles & visible tr. 0.611 0.583 0.534 0.384 0.170 0.760 # For each layer absorption @ 5 angles 0.157 0.172 0.185 0.201 0.202 0.001 0.002 0.003 0.004 0.005 0.117 0.124 0.127 0.112 0.077 1 # optical control flag 1 1 # no control periods & sensor loc # Replacement properties for each control period 8 20 # period start and end 3 700.0 # sensing daylight coeff. @ actuation point # Alt solar & vis trans followed by absorp for each layer 0.060 0.045 0.033 0.019 0.006 0.070 0.893 0.892 0.890 0.803 0.600 0.001 0.002 0.003 0.004 0.005 0.004 0.003 0.002 0.002 0.001 0 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Optical properties of blind in database are also conformed. I have made simple box model more than 10times to solve the problem, but the results are the same. Also, what does 'Surface for common location' mean? I can give option of 7, but I can't find what each number mean. Please give me your advice. ---------------------------------------------------- Hanbat National University AEERU, KOREA HP : 010-6428-9632 TEL : 042-821-1636 Fax : 042-821-1590 E-mail : aeerulab at gmail.com ---------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100105/c4a3cd47/attachment-0001.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 11:03:16 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:03:16 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Blind control problem In-Reply-To: <000901ca8de3$866bba20$93432e60$@com> References: <000901ca8de3$866bba20$93432e60$@com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413B429DF46EA@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A question about blind control... In the data below the likely cause is that the type of daylighting control is "daylight coef". This lighting control is expecting to access information pre-calculated by the Radiance visual simulation tool. It is likely that the Radiance model of the building has not been correctly setup and thus there is no lighting control applied. Learning to use Radiance well enough to generated the daylight coefficients is much more difficult than the simpler lighting control types - sensing radiation. The email did not include any information from the zone casual gains control file which specifies sensor locations and logic associated with dimming lighting in the zone so the user may only want to switch the optical properties. The 'surface for common location' is asking for the index of the surface in the room. For example, if you wanted several windows in a room to switch based on solar radiation arriving at a surface named south_wall and south_wall was the 4th surface in the room then you would supply the index 4 to the control logic. -ESRU ________________________________________ Recently I trying to apply internal blind control model for office building. The problem is that illuminance control doesn?t work and even solar radiation, entering zone, doesn?t change However, solar irradiance and ambient temperature work quite well. As I know, shaded pane will be active if illuminance, solar irradiance or ambient temperature is greater than set point. I gave set point of illuminance at 700lux for simple room and I found sky illuminance is more than 10,000lux(sometime more than 20,000lux) I will attach TMC contents (optical properties are library in esp-r) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- # transparent properties of room defined in ../zones/room.tmc 7 # surfaces # tmc index for each surface 0,0,0,0,0,0,1 3 DCF7671_06nb # layers in tmc type 1 # Transmission @ 5 angles & visible tr. 0.611 0.583 0.534 0.384 0.170 0.760 # For each layer absorption @ 5 angles 0.157 0.172 0.185 0.201 0.202 0.001 0.002 0.003 0.004 0.005 0.117 0.124 0.127 0.112 0.077 1 # optical control flag 1 1 # no control periods & sensor loc # Replacement properties for each control period 8 20 # period start and end 3 700.0 # sensing daylight coeff. @ actuation point # Alt solar & vis trans followed by absorp for each layer 0.060 0.045 0.033 0.019 0.006 0.070 0.893 0.892 0.890 0.803 0.600 0.001 0.002 0.003 0.004 0.005 0.004 0.003 0.002 0.002 0.001 0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Optical properties of blind in database are also conformed. I have made simple box model more than 10times to solve the problem, but the results are the same. Also, what does ?Surface for common location? mean? I can give option of 7, but I can?t find what each number mean. Please give me your advice. ---------------------------------------------------- Hanbat National University AEERU, KOREA HP : 010-6428-9632 TEL : 042-821-1636 Fax : 042-821-1590 E-mail : aeerulab at gmail.com ---------------------------------------------------- From lzyhust at 163.com Wed Jan 6 14:55:39 2010 From: lzyhust at 163.com (lzyhust) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 22:55:39 +0800 (CST) Subject: [esp-r] How to link many loops to the same zone Message-ID: <28482486.1141201262789739082.JavaMail.coremail@app169.163.com> Hi all I have set 3 loop for one year and i want to link all the 3 loops to the zone. But it seems one zone only can be linked with one loop. Is there any solution for the problem? Thanks, Teresa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100106/d8a9368b/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Jan 6 21:34:33 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:34:33 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: How to link many loops to the same zone In-Reply-To: <28482486.1141201262789739082.JavaMail.coremail@app169.163.com> References: <28482486.1141201262789739082.JavaMail.coremail@app169.163.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413B429DF46F3@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> The following question needs further clarification - are the 3 loops ?zone controls?or ?plant controls?? - are all 3 loops active at the same instant in time? - please describe each of the control loops - what is being sensed, what is being actuated, what control logic is being used, how many periods in the day and most important.... - what is the goal of the control? One zone can have one ideal control associated with it at each timestep. And one physical room can be modelled as three thermal zones (e.g. perimeter, middle core) each associated with a different control loop. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of lzyhust [lzyhust at 163.com] Sent: 06 January 2010 14:55 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] How to link many loops to the same zone Hi all I have set 3 loop for one year and i want to link all the 3 loops to the zone. But it seems one zone only can be linked with one loop. Is there any solution for the problem? Thanks, Teresa From lzyhust at 163.com Thu Jan 7 07:37:57 2010 From: lzyhust at 163.com (lzyhust) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:37:57 +0800 (CST) Subject: [esp-r] Re: How to link many loops to the same zone In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413B429DF46F3@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413B429DF46F3@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> <28482486.1141201262789739082.JavaMail.coremail@app169.163.com> Message-ID: <12868033.332851262849877645.JavaMail.coremail@app149.163.com> Hi Jon, All the 3 loops are the "zone control",basic control exactly, and first loop for January~April, second loop for May~Oct,the third loop for the last two months.Each has different heat&cool temp. Those loops are all for one zone. Can we link the loops to the zone at the same time? Thanks ?2010-01-07?05:34:33?"Jon?Hand"????? > >The?following?question?needs?further?clarification > >-?are?the?3?loops??zone?controls?or??plant?controls?? >-?are?all?3?loops?active?at?the?same?instant?in?time? >-?please?describe?each?of?the?control?loops?-?what?is?being?sensed,?what?is?being >??actuated,?what?control?logic?is?being?used,?how?many?periods?in?the?day >??and?most?important.... >-?what?is?the?goal?of?the?control? > >One?zone?can?have?one?ideal?control?associated?with?it?at?each?timestep.?And >one?physical?room?can?be?modelled?as?three?thermal?zones?(e.g.?perimeter,?middle?core) >each?associated?with?a?different?control?loop. > > >-Jon?Hand > >________________________________________ >From:?esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk?[esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk]?On?Behalf?Of?lzyhust?[lzyhust at 163.com] >Sent:?06?January?2010?14:55 >To:?esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >Subject:?[esp-r]??How?to?link?many?loops?to?the?same?zone > >Hi?all > >?????I?have?set?3?loop?for?one?year?and?i?want?to?link?all?the?3?loops?to?the?zone.?But?it?seems?one?zone?only?can?be?linked?with?one?loop. > >????Is?there?any?solution?for?the?problem? > >Thanks, >Teresa > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Heating during heating months would be completed using a basic controller for each zone with the sensor and actuator at that specific zone's air point. Cooling during other months would be completed using a master/slave scheme (Laws #1 and #21), where slave zones would then reference the master zone air point as the sensor. However, it appears that the specification of the sensor and actuator are outside the scope of a particular period, and are fixed for a given control loop. Also - it appears that each zone can only reference one control loop. Does anyone have a solution to this problem? Thanks, Lukas Swan Dalhousie Univ. Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100108/e59de8e4/attachment-0001.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Fri Jan 8 10:34:55 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:34:55 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Zone control sensors - cannot change with control law? In-Reply-To: <002b01ca8fdc$64f16840$2ed438c0$@Swan@dal.ca> References: <002b01ca8fdc$64f16840$2ed438c0$@Swan@dal.ca> Message-ID: <001601ca904e$3945b940$abd12bc0$@geissler@intergga.ch> Hi Lukas Recently (1.12.2009) there was a similar question on the forum, I think. Aizaz gave this answer: == There has been an extension to day type facility recently and is available in the current version. One can define day types in addition to legacy week/sat/sunday from context>calendar>day types. This should ideally be done before defining controls and operations information. Once daytype "summerday" and "winterday" are defined in the calendar (and associated with Julian days of the year), different control laws and schedules can be associated in the same control loop as with week/sat/sunday. == Regards Achim From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Lukas Swan (Dal) Sent: Donnerstag, 7. Januar 2010 22:00 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Zone control sensors - cannot change with control law? Hello- I am modeling a house that has multiple zones and both heating and cooling. Each zone has an independent electric baseboard convective heaters and independent thermostats (i.e. individual zone sensor and actuation). There is also a central cooling system that distributes to each zone proportionally (volume based) and is controlled by a single thermostat on the first floor level (i.e. central sensor and distributed actuation). I was planning on modeling this using zone control loops. Heating during heating months would be completed using a basic controller for each zone with the sensor and actuator at that specific zone's air point. Cooling during other months would be completed using a master/slave scheme (Laws #1 and #21), where slave zones would then reference the master zone air point as the sensor. However, it appears that the specification of the sensor and actuator are outside the scope of a particular period, and are fixed for a given control loop. Also - it appears that each zone can only reference one control loop. Does anyone have a solution to this problem? Thanks, Lukas Swan Dalhousie Univ. Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100108/35f4e75f/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Jan 8 11:34:22 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:34:22 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problem with ESP-r 's display on Solaris In-Reply-To: <2a6e90f41001071810l4f3784bfr54976b69a3962a61@mail.gmail.com> References: <2a6e90f41001071810l4f3784bfr54976b69a3962a61@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413B429DF46F9@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> There is an issue with 64 bit Solaris when the Fortran and C are passing messages back and forth. The width of the menu is getting corrupted. Work-around is to run in text mode (e.g. prj -mode text). A 2nd work-around is to force the compile process to be 32 bit. I do not remember the specific command (in GCC it is -m32). Solaris as a virtual box on a 32 bit machine does not seem to be sensitive to this. There are a number of issues about 64 bit Solaris which need to be addressed just as there are 64 bit issues for Enterprise Linux versions. These are being dealt with a bit at a time (frustrating for users and for me) because Solaris has just about the best debug environment for numerical errors. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of francois vallete [f.vallete at gmail.com] Sent: 08 January 2010 02:10 To: esp-r at lists Subject: [esp-r] Problem with ESP-r 's display on Solaris Hi all, I am trying to run ESP-r on solaris (sparc) but unfortunately the menu is missing (see attached image) ESP-r was installed successfully and X11 was chosen. Any Idea or suggestion? Thank you very much in advance F.V From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Jan 8 11:42:01 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:42:01 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: problem with simulation In-Reply-To: <24301975.1375161262942297816.JavaMail.coremail@app186.163.com> References: <24301975.1375161262942297816.JavaMail.coremail@app186.163.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413B429DF46FB@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A very useful rule which simplifies such tasks. FIRST use windows explorer to go to the folder with the model configuration file. Click on that file. If you have your associations established correctly then that should start of the project manager focused on that specific model. This is a really good approach used by experts on almost every computer type - work from the model configuration file. On Linux / OSX you can then use the prj -file my_model.cfg Hint - good names for models is important so that the model configuration file is easy to find. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of lzyhust [lzyhust at 163.com] Sent: 08 January 2010 09:18 To: esp-r at lists Subject: [esp-r] problem with simulation I have established a model and it can excute simulation. And I copied it and packed it. Then i change the first one a little as another model. And i unpacked the package, try to simulation and find it can'be simulate. The cue is "The configuration file does not exist" but there is file "xxx.cfg". What wrong with it? It drive me craze. Did any somebody encounter ever. I had installed the software on XP system with a windowXP program. Thanks, Teresa From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Fri Jan 8 11:50:54 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:50:54 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Zone control sensors - cannot change with control law? In-Reply-To: References: <002b01ca8fdc$64f16840$2ed438c0$@Swan@dal.ca> <001601ca904e$3945b940$abd12bc0$@geissler@intergga.ch> Message-ID: <002a01ca9058$d645a250$82d0e6f0$@geissler@intergga.ch> Hi Milan got me. I have actually never used this, yet. I just remembered reading it because I would have liked this feature some time ago. I assume it is not possible. I think the limit is 5 day types (but am not sure - you would need to look into the source). So you could have SatWin/SatSum/Sun/WeekSum/WeekWin ... which is already quite a step forward. It would of course be a lot better if the "Valid for period" entry in the control file would do what the name suggests. No idea if this is much work to code. Regards Achim -----Original Message----- From: Milan Janak [mailto:milan.janak at stuba.sk] Sent: Freitag, 8. Januar 2010 12:00 To: Achim Geissler Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: Zone control sensors - cannot change with control law? Hi Achim, Related to this "problem" with day types a question comes to mind that what is realy needed is to be able to define a day type e.g. "winterday" but at the same time to maintain division to week/sat/sunday. Is this possible? Best regards, Milan. On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:34:55 +0100 "Achim Geissler" wrote: >Hi Lukas > > > >Recently (1.12.2009) there was a similar question on the forum, I think. >Aizaz gave this answer: > > > >== > >There has been an extension to day type facility recently and is available >in the current version. One can define day types in addition to legacy >week/sat/sunday from context>calendar>day types. This should ideally be done >before defining controls and operations information. Once daytype >"summerday" > >and "winterday" are defined in the calendar (and associated with Julian days >of the year), different control laws and schedules can be associated in the >same control loop as with week/sat/sunday. > >== > > > >Regards > >Achim > > > > > >From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk >[mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Lukas Swan (Dal) >Sent: Donnerstag, 7. Januar 2010 22:00 >To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >Subject: [esp-r] Zone control sensors - cannot change with control law? > > > >Hello- > > > >I am modeling a house that has multiple zones and both heating and cooling. > >Each zone has an independent electric baseboard convective heaters and >independent thermostats (i.e. individual zone sensor and actuation). > >There is also a central cooling system that distributes to each zone >proportionally (volume based) and is controlled by a single thermostat on >the first floor level (i.e. central sensor and distributed actuation). > > > >I was planning on modeling this using zone control loops. > >Heating during heating months would be completed using a basic controller >for each zone with the sensor and actuator at that specific zone's air >point. > >Cooling during other months would be completed using a master/slave scheme >(Laws #1 and #21), where slave zones would then reference the master zone >air point as the sensor. > > > >However, it appears that the specification of the sensor and actuator are >outside the scope of a particular period, and are fixed for a given control >loop. > >Also - it appears that each zone can only reference one control loop. > > > >Does anyone have a solution to this problem? > > > >Thanks, > >Lukas Swan > >Dalhousie Univ. > >Canada > From aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk Fri Jan 8 12:32:14 2010 From: aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk (Aizaz Samuel) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:32:14 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Zone control sensors - cannot change with control law? In-Reply-To: <002a01ca9058$d645a250$82d0e6f0$@geissler@intergga.ch> References: <002b01ca8fdc$64f16840$2ed438c0$@Swan@dal.ca> <002a01ca9058$d645a250$82d0e6f0$@geissler@intergga.ch> Message-ID: <201001081232.14981.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> Milan and Achim, The way to do winter and summer weekdays/saturdays and sundays is as Achim has described. Define these six day types from context > calendar. Next associate these with Julian days of year and define operations and control information as usual. The associations are assisted in that you can choose every Nth day to be a particular day type (e.g. every seventh day starting from a specified day could be winter sunday) and do not have to manually choose each day. The limit is ten day types so the user can define seven more in addition to the default week/sat/sunday. This limit can be increased in a manner analogous to increasing maximum number of zones. Day types once defined cannot be deleted but the equivalent is to not associate these with Julian DOY. Unassociated day types do not affect simulations in any way. The period of validity mechanism in my opinion should be removed and I raised the issue on the core developers list but retained it in the end because some legacy models in the tester use it. The following excerpt from a previous email may be of interest. > > - Control day types are now synchronised with calendar day types from the > > context menu. Now users can define day types in the context menu and > > associate different controls for different day types. The day type > > description is consistent with operations description of day types. > > Controls can be associated with one of three schemes to describe day > > types as follows: > > 1) One control for all days > > 2) Different controls for day types as described in the context menu > > i.e. a list of Julian days for every day type (or if not defined then >> default to week/sat/sunday) > > 3) Dates of validity. One control is active all days within each period > > defined by dates of validity. Regards, Aizaz > > On Friday 08 January 2010 11:50, Achim Geissler wrote: > Hi Milan > > got me. I have actually never used this, yet. I just remembered reading it > because I would have liked this feature some time ago. > > I assume it is not possible. I think the limit is 5 day types (but am not > sure - you would need to look into the source). So you could have > SatWin/SatSum/Sun/WeekSum/WeekWin ... which is already quite a step > forward. > > It would of course be a lot better if the "Valid for period" entry in the > control file would do what the name suggests. No idea if this is much work > to code. > > Regards > Achim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Milan Janak [mailto:milan.janak at stuba.sk] > Sent: Freitag, 8. Januar 2010 12:00 > To: Achim Geissler > Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: Zone control sensors - cannot change with control > law? > > Hi Achim, > > Related to this "problem" with day types a question comes to mind > that what is realy needed is to be able to define a day type e.g. > "winterday" but at the same time to maintain division to week/sat/sunday. > Is this possible? > > Best regards, > > Milan. > > > On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:34:55 +0100 > > "Achim Geissler" wrote: > >Hi Lukas > > > > > > > >Recently (1.12.2009) there was a similar question on the forum, I think. > >Aizaz gave this answer: > > > > > > > >== > > > >There has been an extension to day type facility recently and is available > >in the current version. One can define day types in addition to legacy > >week/sat/sunday from context>calendar>day types. This should ideally be > > done before defining controls and operations information. Once daytype > > "summerday" > > > >and "winterday" are defined in the calendar (and associated with Julian > > days of the year), different control laws and schedules can be associated > > in the same control loop as with week/sat/sunday. > > > >== > > > > > > > >Regards > > > >Achim > > > > > > > > > > > >From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > >[mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Lukas Swan (Dal) > >Sent: Donnerstag, 7. Januar 2010 22:00 > >To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > >Subject: [esp-r] Zone control sensors - cannot change with control law? > > > > > > > >Hello- > > > > > > > >I am modeling a house that has multiple zones and both heating and > > cooling. > > > >Each zone has an independent electric baseboard convective heaters and > >independent thermostats (i.e. individual zone sensor and actuation). > > > >There is also a central cooling system that distributes to each zone > >proportionally (volume based) and is controlled by a single thermostat on > >the first floor level (i.e. central sensor and distributed actuation). > > > > > > > >I was planning on modeling this using zone control loops. > > > >Heating during heating months would be completed using a basic controller > >for each zone with the sensor and actuator at that specific zone's air > >point. > > > >Cooling during other months would be completed using a master/slave scheme > >(Laws #1 and #21), where slave zones would then reference the master zone > >air point as the sensor. > > > > > > > >However, it appears that the specification of the sensor and actuator are > >outside the scope of a particular period, and are fixed for a given > > control loop. > > > >Also - it appears that each zone can only reference one control loop. > > > > > > > >Does anyone have a solution to this problem? > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > >Lukas Swan > > > >Dalhousie Univ. > > > >Canada > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn Tue Jan 12 15:20:16 2010 From: Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn (Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:20:16 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Zone control sensors - cannot change with control law? In-Reply-To: <201001081232.14981.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> References: <002b01ca8fdc$64f16840$2ed438c0$@Swan@dal.ca> <002a01ca9058$d645a250$82d0e6f0$@geissler@intergga.ch>, <201001081232.14981.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <076B831E3BD70140B69F1D47DF456F4A16BAC4B0D2@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn> Aizaz et al., I was curious on this issue because there have been many postings in the past about it and it is an essential functionality for ESP-r. I compiled the latest trunk version (i.e. the new version) in MSYS. I opened the basic examplar ("own" mode) and then I went to the calendar. There I defined a 4th day type. That looked promising and good. The definitions at the interface did not seem "fast" but there must be a fast way as you mention at your email and there is always the fast alternative of hacking the cfg file. Anyway, I just added an extra (4th) day type just to try this facility. I then went to try and use it at the controls. I click on controls (the basic model has an existing control file) and the whole thing crashed. At this point Jon would ask if there were any messages/warnings/errors. There was nothing and the window just disappeared. The reading of the existing control file when there is an extra day type may be problematic. The model reads the file fine without this day type. This was on a Windows Vista. An alternative to Milan's and Teresa's querries is to use the "import measured data" option from the model context menu. You can import from csv files your own schedules that vary at timestep scale. This works fine for operations and the basic control law (Examples for heating and cooling setpoints that vary over the year can be found in: C:\Esru\esp-r\validation\CEN\15265 or the relevalt Linux location). However, Lukas's question can only be partially solved this way. It is more complex and requires a bit of development work since he is not using the basic control law. Lukas - if the control laws that you want to use do already exist in ESP-r then it is just a matter of extending the existing "import measured data" (tdf) facility. Not difficult for your skills. Otherwise, it may require a bit more effort (still not difficult for your skills). Best regards, Georgios ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Aizaz Samuel [aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 8:32 PM To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Cc: 'Milan Janak'; Achim Geissler Subject: [esp-r] Re: Zone control sensors - cannot change with control law? Milan and Achim, The way to do winter and summer weekdays/saturdays and sundays is as Achim has described. Define these six day types from context > calendar. Next associate these with Julian days of year and define operations and control information as usual. The associations are assisted in that you can choose every Nth day to be a particular day type (e.g. every seventh day starting from a specified day could be winter sunday) and do not have to manually choose each day. The limit is ten day types so the user can define seven more in addition to the default week/sat/sunday. This limit can be increased in a manner analogous to increasing maximum number of zones. Day types once defined cannot be deleted but the equivalent is to not associate these with Julian DOY. Unassociated day types do not affect simulations in any way. The period of validity mechanism in my opinion should be removed and I raised the issue on the core developers list but retained it in the end because some legacy models in the tester use it. The following excerpt from a previous email may be of interest. > > - Control day types are now synchronised with calendar day types from the > > context menu. Now users can define day types in the context menu and > > associate different controls for different day types. The day type > > description is consistent with operations description of day types. > > Controls can be associated with one of three schemes to describe day > > types as follows: > > 1) One control for all days > > 2) Different controls for day types as described in the context menu > > i.e. a list of Julian days for every day type (or if not defined then >> default to week/sat/sunday) > > 3) Dates of validity. One control is active all days within each period > > defined by dates of validity. Regards, Aizaz > > On Friday 08 January 2010 11:50, Achim Geissler wrote: > Hi Milan > > got me. I have actually never used this, yet. I just remembered reading it > because I would have liked this feature some time ago. > > I assume it is not possible. I think the limit is 5 day types (but am not > sure - you would need to look into the source). So you could have > SatWin/SatSum/Sun/WeekSum/WeekWin ... which is already quite a step > forward. > > It would of course be a lot better if the "Valid for period" entry in the > control file would do what the name suggests. No idea if this is much work > to code. > > Regards > Achim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Milan Janak [mailto:milan.janak at stuba.sk] > Sent: Freitag, 8. Januar 2010 12:00 > To: Achim Geissler > Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: Zone control sensors - cannot change with control > law? > > Hi Achim, > > Related to this "problem" with day types a question comes to mind > that what is realy needed is to be able to define a day type e.g. > "winterday" but at the same time to maintain division to week/sat/sunday. > Is this possible? > > Best regards, > > Milan. > > > On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:34:55 +0100 > > "Achim Geissler" wrote: > >Hi Lukas > > > > > > > >Recently (1.12.2009) there was a similar question on the forum, I think. > >Aizaz gave this answer: > > > > > > > >== > > > >There has been an extension to day type facility recently and is available > >in the current version. One can define day types in addition to legacy > >week/sat/sunday from context>calendar>day types. This should ideally be > > done before defining controls and operations information. Once daytype > > "summerday" > > > >and "winterday" are defined in the calendar (and associated with Julian > > days of the year), different control laws and schedules can be associated > > in the same control loop as with week/sat/sunday. > > > >== > > > > > > > >Regards > > > >Achim > > > > > > > > > > > >From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > >[mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Lukas Swan (Dal) > >Sent: Donnerstag, 7. Januar 2010 22:00 > >To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > >Subject: [esp-r] Zone control sensors - cannot change with control law? > > > > > > > >Hello- > > > > > > > >I am modeling a house that has multiple zones and both heating and > > cooling. > > > >Each zone has an independent electric baseboard convective heaters and > >independent thermostats (i.e. individual zone sensor and actuation). > > > >There is also a central cooling system that distributes to each zone > >proportionally (volume based) and is controlled by a single thermostat on > >the first floor level (i.e. central sensor and distributed actuation). > > > > > > > >I was planning on modeling this using zone control loops. > > > >Heating during heating months would be completed using a basic controller > >for each zone with the sensor and actuator at that specific zone's air > >point. > > > >Cooling during other months would be completed using a master/slave scheme > >(Laws #1 and #21), where slave zones would then reference the master zone > >air point as the sensor. > > > > > > > >However, it appears that the specification of the sensor and actuator are > >outside the scope of a particular period, and are fixed for a given > > control loop. > > > >Also - it appears that each zone can only reference one control loop. > > > > > > > >Does anyone have a solution to this problem? > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > >Lukas Swan > > > >Dalhousie Univ. > > > >Canada > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r ******************************************************************************************************************************* This email has been scanned by the Altman Email Security System. For more information please visit www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems ******************************************************************************************************************************* ******************************************************************************************************************************* This email has been scanned by the Altman Email Security System. For more information please visit www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems ******************************************************************************************************************************* From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Jan 12 16:12:15 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:12:15 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Zone control sensors - cannot change with control law? In-Reply-To: <076B831E3BD70140B69F1D47DF456F4A16BAC4B0D2@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn> References: <002b01ca8fdc$64f16840$2ed438c0$@Swan@dal.ca> <002a01ca9058$d645a250$82d0e6f0$@geissler@intergga.ch>, <201001081232.14981.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk>, <076B831E3BD70140B69F1D47DF456F4A16BAC4B0D2@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A1DC1460@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> There would seem to be a conflict between defining a calendar with 4 day types and then trying to open an existing model which has a control file which assumes three day types. This 'difference' when found needs an error trap. If you were to create a new model from scratch you would first set the calendar and then define controls (which would then notice that there were more than 3 day types) and that should work ok. If you sent me the model that crashed we could have a look at the location of the crash and see if there was a way to stop the crash. -Jon ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS [Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn] Sent: 12 January 2010 15:20 To: Aizaz Samuel; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Cc: 'Milan Janak'; Achim Geissler Subject: [esp-r] Re: Zone control sensors - cannot change with control law? Aizaz et al., I was curious on this issue because there have been many postings in the past about it and it is an essential functionality for ESP-r. I compiled the latest trunk version (i.e. the new version) in MSYS. I opened the basic examplar ("own" mode) and then I went to the calendar. There I defined a 4th day type. That looked promising and good. The definitions at the interface did not seem "fast" but there must be a fast way as you mention at your email and there is always the fast alternative of hacking the cfg file. Anyway, I just added an extra (4th) day type just to try this facility. I then went to try and use it at the controls. I click on controls (the basic model has an existing control file) and the whole thing crashed. At this point Jon would ask if there were any messages/warnings/errors. There was nothing and the window just disappeared. The reading of the existing control file when there is an extra day type may be problematic. The model reads the file fine without this day type. This was on a Windows Vista. An alternative to Milan's and Teresa's querries is to use the "import measured data" option from the model context menu. You can import from csv files your own schedules that vary at timestep scale. This works fine for operations and the basic control law (Examples for heating and cooling setpoints that vary over the year can be found in: C:\Esru\esp-r\validation\CEN\15265 or the relevalt Linux location). However, Lukas's question can only be partially solved this way. It is more complex and requires a bit of development work since he is not using the basic control law. Lukas - if the control laws that you want to use do already exist in ESP-r then it is just a matter of extending the existing "import measured data" (tdf) facility. Not difficult for your skills. Otherwise, it may require a bit more effort (still not difficult for your skills). Best regards, Georgios ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Aizaz Samuel [aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 8:32 PM To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Cc: 'Milan Janak'; Achim Geissler Subject: [esp-r] Re: Zone control sensors - cannot change with control law? Milan and Achim, The way to do winter and summer weekdays/saturdays and sundays is as Achim has described. Define these six day types from context > calendar. Next associate these with Julian days of year and define operations and control information as usual. The associations are assisted in that you can choose every Nth day to be a particular day type (e.g. every seventh day starting from a specified day could be winter sunday) and do not have to manually choose each day. The limit is ten day types so the user can define seven more in addition to the default week/sat/sunday. This limit can be increased in a manner analogous to increasing maximum number of zones. Day types once defined cannot be deleted but the equivalent is to not associate these with Julian DOY. Unassociated day types do not affect simulations in any way. The period of validity mechanism in my opinion should be removed and I raised the issue on the core developers list but retained it in the end because some legacy models in the tester use it. The following excerpt from a previous email may be of interest. > > - Control day types are now synchronised with calendar day types from the > > context menu. Now users can define day types in the context menu and > > associate different controls for different day types. The day type > > description is consistent with operations description of day types. > > Controls can be associated with one of three schemes to describe day > > types as follows: > > 1) One control for all days > > 2) Different controls for day types as described in the context menu > > i.e. a list of Julian days for every day type (or if not defined then >> default to week/sat/sunday) > > 3) Dates of validity. One control is active all days within each period > > defined by dates of validity. Regards, Aizaz > > On Friday 08 January 2010 11:50, Achim Geissler wrote: > Hi Milan > > got me. I have actually never used this, yet. I just remembered reading it > because I would have liked this feature some time ago. > > I assume it is not possible. I think the limit is 5 day types (but am not > sure - you would need to look into the source). So you could have > SatWin/SatSum/Sun/WeekSum/WeekWin ... which is already quite a step > forward. > > It would of course be a lot better if the "Valid for period" entry in the > control file would do what the name suggests. No idea if this is much work > to code. > > Regards > Achim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Milan Janak [mailto:milan.janak at stuba.sk] > Sent: Freitag, 8. Januar 2010 12:00 > To: Achim Geissler > Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: Zone control sensors - cannot change with control > law? > > Hi Achim, > > Related to this "problem" with day types a question comes to mind > that what is realy needed is to be able to define a day type e.g. > "winterday" but at the same time to maintain division to week/sat/sunday. > Is this possible? > > Best regards, > > Milan. > > > On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:34:55 +0100 > > "Achim Geissler" wrote: > >Hi Lukas > > > > > > > >Recently (1.12.2009) there was a similar question on the forum, I think. > >Aizaz gave this answer: > > > > > > > >== > > > >There has been an extension to day type facility recently and is available > >in the current version. One can define day types in addition to legacy > >week/sat/sunday from context>calendar>day types. This should ideally be > > done before defining controls and operations information. Once daytype > > "summerday" > > > >and "winterday" are defined in the calendar (and associated with Julian > > days of the year), different control laws and schedules can be associated > > in the same control loop as with week/sat/sunday. > > > >== > > > > > > > >Regards > > > >Achim > > > > > > > > > > > >From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > >[mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Lukas Swan (Dal) > >Sent: Donnerstag, 7. Januar 2010 22:00 > >To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > >Subject: [esp-r] Zone control sensors - cannot change with control law? > > > > > > > >Hello- > > > > > > > >I am modeling a house that has multiple zones and both heating and > > cooling. > > > >Each zone has an independent electric baseboard convective heaters and > >independent thermostats (i.e. individual zone sensor and actuation). > > > >There is also a central cooling system that distributes to each zone > >proportionally (volume based) and is controlled by a single thermostat on > >the first floor level (i.e. central sensor and distributed actuation). > > > > > > > >I was planning on modeling this using zone control loops. > > > >Heating during heating months would be completed using a basic controller > >for each zone with the sensor and actuator at that specific zone's air > >point. > > > >Cooling during other months would be completed using a master/slave scheme > >(Laws #1 and #21), where slave zones would then reference the master zone > >air point as the sensor. > > > > > > > >However, it appears that the specification of the sensor and actuator are > >outside the scope of a particular period, and are fixed for a given > > control loop. > > > >Also - it appears that each zone can only reference one control loop. > > > > > > > >Does anyone have a solution to this problem? > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > >Lukas Swan > > > >Dalhousie Univ. > > > >Canada > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r ******************************************************************************************************************************* This email has been scanned by the Altman Email Security System. For more information please visit www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems ******************************************************************************************************************************* ******************************************************************************************************************************* This email has been scanned by the Altman Email Security System. For more information please visit www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems ******************************************************************************************************************************* _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk Tue Jan 12 16:29:22 2010 From: aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk (Aizaz Samuel) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:29:22 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Zone control sensors - cannot change with control law? In-Reply-To: <076B831E3BD70140B69F1D47DF456F4A16BAC4B0D2@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn> References: <002b01ca8fdc$64f16840$2ed438c0$@Swan@dal.ca> <201001081232.14981.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> <076B831E3BD70140B69F1D47DF456F4A16BAC4B0D2@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn> Message-ID: <201001121629.22209.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> Georgios, There is a bug in the control file read. If a control file already exists and the user increases the number of day types. The crash occurs because the control file reading subroutine expects to find information for the additional day type defined but of course does not find it there. Will get round to fixing it when I get some time:) The alternative is to define day types before defining controls -- this may not always be an option and for these cases the user has to dereference the control file, increase day types and define controls again. I agree further that Lukas' question is more complicated and so I did not forward the day types extension as a solution. Temporal data may also not be suitable because of the master - slave control he mentioned in the original mail because temperatures are only known at simulation time. The simplest solution could be to have a lookup table that allows different control loops to be assigned to different zones based on day types (or other such parameter) Cheers, Aizaz On Tuesday 12 January 2010 15:20, Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS wrote: > Aizaz et al., > > I was curious on this issue because there have been many postings in the > past about it and it is an essential functionality for ESP-r. I compiled > the latest trunk version (i.e. the new version) in MSYS. I opened the basic > examplar ("own" mode) and then I went to the calendar. There I defined a > 4th day type. That looked promising and good. The definitions at the > interface did not seem "fast" but there must be a fast way as you mention > at your email and there is always the fast alternative of hacking the cfg > file. Anyway, I just added an extra (4th) day type just to try this > facility. I then went to try and use it at the controls. I click on > controls (the basic model has an existing control file) and the whole thing > crashed. At this point Jon would ask if there were any > messages/warnings/errors. There was nothing and the window just > disappeared. The reading of the existing control file when there is an > extra day type may be problematic. The model reads the file fine without > this day type. This was on a Windows Vista. > > > An alternative to Milan's and Teresa's querries is to use the "import > measured data" option from the model context menu. You can import from csv > files your own schedules that vary at timestep scale. This works fine for > operations and the basic control law (Examples for heating and cooling > setpoints that vary over the year can be found in: > C:\Esru\esp-r\validation\CEN\15265 or the relevalt Linux location). > However, Lukas's question can only be partially solved this way. It is more > complex and requires a bit of development work since he is not using the > basic control law. Lukas - if the control laws that you want to use do > already exist in ESP-r then it is just a matter of extending the existing > "import measured data" (tdf) facility. Not difficult for your skills. > Otherwise, it may require a bit more effort (still not difficult for your > skills). > > Best regards, > Georgios > > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Aizaz Samuel [aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, > January 08, 2010 8:32 PM > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Cc: 'Milan Janak'; Achim Geissler > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Zone control sensors - cannot change with control law? > > Milan and Achim, > > The way to do winter and summer weekdays/saturdays and sundays is as Achim > has described. Define these six day types from context > calendar. Next > associate these with Julian days of year and define operations and control > information as usual. The associations are assisted in that you can choose > every Nth day to be a particular day type (e.g. every seventh day starting > from a specified day could be winter sunday) and do not have to manually > choose each day. > > The limit is ten day types so the user can define seven more in addition to > the default week/sat/sunday. This limit can be increased in a manner > analogous to increasing maximum number of zones. Day types once defined > cannot be deleted but the equivalent is to not associate these with Julian > DOY. Unassociated day types do not affect simulations in any way. > > The period of validity mechanism in my opinion should be removed and I > raised the issue on the core developers list but retained it in the end > because some legacy models in the tester use it. > > The following excerpt from a previous email may be of interest. > > > > - Control day types are now synchronised with calendar day types from > > > the context menu. Now users can define day types in the context menu > > > and associate different controls for different day types. The day type > > > description is consistent with operations description of day types. > > > Controls can be associated with one of three schemes to describe day > > > types as follows: > > > 1) One control for all days > > > 2) Different controls for day types as described in the context menu > > > i.e. a list of Julian days for every day type (or if not defined then > >> > >> default to week/sat/sunday) > >> > > > 3) Dates of validity. One control is active all days within each > > > period defined by dates of validity. > > Regards, > Aizaz > > > > On Friday 08 January 2010 11:50, Achim Geissler wrote: > > > > Hi Milan > > > > got me. I have actually never used this, yet. I just remembered reading > > it because I would have liked this feature some time ago. > > > > I assume it is not possible. I think the limit is 5 day types (but am not > > sure - you would need to look into the source). So you could have > > SatWin/SatSum/Sun/WeekSum/WeekWin ... which is already quite a step > > forward. > > > > It would of course be a lot better if the "Valid for period" entry in the > > control file would do what the name suggests. No idea if this is much > > work to code. > > > > Regards > > Achim > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Milan Janak [mailto:milan.janak at stuba.sk] > > Sent: Freitag, 8. Januar 2010 12:00 > > To: Achim Geissler > > Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: Zone control sensors - cannot change with > > control law? > > > > Hi Achim, > > > > Related to this "problem" with day types a question comes to mind > > that what is realy needed is to be able to define a day type e.g. > > "winterday" but at the same time to maintain division to week/sat/sunday. > > Is this possible? > > > > Best regards, > > > > Milan. > > > > > > On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:34:55 +0100 > > > > "Achim Geissler" wrote: > > >Hi Lukas > > > > > > > > > > > >Recently (1.12.2009) there was a similar question on the forum, I think. > > >Aizaz gave this answer: > > > > > > > > > > > >== > > > > > >There has been an extension to day type facility recently and is > > > available in the current version. One can define day types in addition > > > to legacy week/sat/sunday from context>calendar>day types. This should > > > ideally be done before defining controls and operations information. > > > Once daytype "summerday" > > > > > >and "winterday" are defined in the calendar (and associated with Julian > > > days of the year), different control laws and schedules can be > > > associated in the same control loop as with week/sat/sunday. > > > > > >== > > > > > > > > > > > >Regards > > > > > >Achim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > > >[mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Lukas Swan (Dal) > > >Sent: Donnerstag, 7. Januar 2010 22:00 > > >To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > >Subject: [esp-r] Zone control sensors - cannot change with control law? > > > > > > > > > > > >Hello- > > > > > > > > > > > >I am modeling a house that has multiple zones and both heating and > > > cooling. > > > > > >Each zone has an independent electric baseboard convective heaters and > > >independent thermostats (i.e. individual zone sensor and actuation). > > > > > >There is also a central cooling system that distributes to each zone > > >proportionally (volume based) and is controlled by a single thermostat > > > on the first floor level (i.e. central sensor and distributed > > > actuation). > > > > > > > > > > > >I was planning on modeling this using zone control loops. > > > > > >Heating during heating months would be completed using a basic > > > controller for each zone with the sensor and actuator at that specific > > > zone's air point. > > > > > >Cooling during other months would be completed using a master/slave > > > scheme (Laws #1 and #21), where slave zones would then reference the > > > master zone air point as the sensor. > > > > > > > > > > > >However, it appears that the specification of the sensor and actuator > > > are outside the scope of a particular period, and are fixed for a given > > > control loop. > > > > > >Also - it appears that each zone can only reference one control loop. > > > > > > > > > > > >Does anyone have a solution to this problem? > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Lukas Swan > > > > > >Dalhousie Univ. > > > > > >Canada > > > > _______________________________________________ > > esp-r mailing list > > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > *************************************************************************** >**************************************************** This email has been > scanned by the Altman Email Security System. > For more information please visit www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems > > *************************************************************************** >**************************************************** > *************************************************************************** >**************************************************** This email has been > scanned by the Altman Email Security System. > For more information please visit www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems > > *************************************************************************** >**************************************************** From aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk Tue Jan 12 16:54:36 2010 From: aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk (Aizaz Samuel) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:54:36 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Zone control sensors - cannot change with control law? In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A1DC1460@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <002b01ca8fdc$64f16840$2ed438c0$@Swan@dal.ca> <076B831E3BD70140B69F1D47DF456F4A16BAC4B0D2@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A1DC1460@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <201001121654.36232.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> Jon, There needed to be a code bit to update the control file everytime day types are incremented. It is a "simple" matter of reading the control file with say 3 day types and then writing it out with 4 day types when the user increments day types. I have made the bug fix in my branch now and it will get into development in the normal process of things. -Aizaz On Tuesday 12 January 2010 16:12, Jon Hand wrote: > There would seem to be a conflict between defining a calendar with 4 day > types and then trying to open an existing model which has a control file > which assumes three day types. This 'difference' when found needs an error > trap. > > If you were to create a new model from scratch you would first set > the calendar and then define controls (which would then notice that > there were more than 3 day types) and that should work ok. > > If you sent me the model that crashed we could have a look at the > location of the crash and see if there was a way to stop the crash. > > -Jon > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS > [Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn] Sent: 12 January 2010 15:20 > To: Aizaz Samuel; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Cc: 'Milan Janak'; Achim Geissler > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Zone control sensors - cannot change with control law? > > Aizaz et al., > > I was curious on this issue because there have been many postings in the > past about it and it is an essential functionality for ESP-r. I compiled > the latest trunk version (i.e. the new version) in MSYS. I opened the basic > examplar ("own" mode) and then I went to the calendar. There I defined a > 4th day type. That looked promising and good. The definitions at the > interface did not seem "fast" but there must be a fast way as you mention > at your email and there is always the fast alternative of hacking the cfg > file. Anyway, I just added an extra (4th) day type just to try this > facility. I then went to try and use it at the controls. I click on > controls (the basic model has an existing control file) and the whole thing > crashed. At this point Jon would ask if there were any > messages/warnings/errors. There was nothing and the window just > disappeared. The reading of the existing control file when there is an > extra day type may be problematic. The model reads the file fine without > this day type. This was on a Windows Vista. > > > An alternative to Milan's and Teresa's querries is to use the "import > measured data" option from the model context menu. You can import from csv > files your own schedules that vary at timestep scale. This works fine for > operations and the basic control law (Examples for heating and cooling > setpoints that vary over the year can be found in: > C:\Esru\esp-r\validation\CEN\15265 or the relevalt Linux location). > However, Lukas's question can only be partially solved this way. It is more > complex and requires a bit of development work since he is not using the > basic control law. Lukas - if the control laws that you want to use do > already exist in ESP-r then it is just a matter of extending the existing > "import measured data" (tdf) facility. Not difficult for your skills. > Otherwise, it may require a bit more effort (still not difficult for your > skills). > > Best regards, > Georgios > > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Aizaz Samuel [aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, > January 08, 2010 8:32 PM > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Cc: 'Milan Janak'; Achim Geissler > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Zone control sensors - cannot change with control law? > > Milan and Achim, > > The way to do winter and summer weekdays/saturdays and sundays is as Achim > has described. Define these six day types from context > calendar. Next > associate these with Julian days of year and define operations and control > information as usual. The associations are assisted in that you can choose > every Nth day to be a particular day type (e.g. every seventh day starting > from a specified day could be winter sunday) and do not have to manually > choose each day. > > The limit is ten day types so the user can define seven more in addition to > the default week/sat/sunday. This limit can be increased in a manner > analogous to increasing maximum number of zones. Day types once defined > cannot be deleted but the equivalent is to not associate these with Julian > DOY. Unassociated day types do not affect simulations in any way. > > The period of validity mechanism in my opinion should be removed and I > raised the issue on the core developers list but retained it in the end > because some legacy models in the tester use it. > > The following excerpt from a previous email may be of interest. > > > > - Control day types are now synchronised with calendar day types from > > > the context menu. Now users can define day types in the context menu > > > and associate different controls for different day types. The day type > > > description is consistent with operations description of day types. > > > Controls can be associated with one of three schemes to describe day > > > types as follows: > > > 1) One control for all days > > > 2) Different controls for day types as described in the context menu > > > i.e. a list of Julian days for every day type (or if not defined then > >> > >> default to week/sat/sunday) > >> > > > 3) Dates of validity. One control is active all days within each > > > period defined by dates of validity. > > Regards, > Aizaz > > > > On Friday 08 January 2010 11:50, Achim Geissler wrote: > > > > Hi Milan > > > > got me. I have actually never used this, yet. I just remembered reading > > it because I would have liked this feature some time ago. > > > > I assume it is not possible. I think the limit is 5 day types (but am not > > sure - you would need to look into the source). So you could have > > SatWin/SatSum/Sun/WeekSum/WeekWin ... which is already quite a step > > forward. > > > > It would of course be a lot better if the "Valid for period" entry in the > > control file would do what the name suggests. No idea if this is much > > work to code. > > > > Regards > > Achim > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Milan Janak [mailto:milan.janak at stuba.sk] > > Sent: Freitag, 8. Januar 2010 12:00 > > To: Achim Geissler > > Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: Zone control sensors - cannot change with > > control law? > > > > Hi Achim, > > > > Related to this "problem" with day types a question comes to mind > > that what is realy needed is to be able to define a day type e.g. > > "winterday" but at the same time to maintain division to week/sat/sunday. > > Is this possible? > > > > Best regards, > > > > Milan. > > > > > > On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:34:55 +0100 > > > > "Achim Geissler" wrote: > > >Hi Lukas > > > > > > > > > > > >Recently (1.12.2009) there was a similar question on the forum, I think. > > >Aizaz gave this answer: > > > > > > > > > > > >== > > > > > >There has been an extension to day type facility recently and is > > > available in the current version. One can define day types in addition > > > to legacy week/sat/sunday from context>calendar>day types. This should > > > ideally be done before defining controls and operations information. > > > Once daytype "summerday" > > > > > >and "winterday" are defined in the calendar (and associated with Julian > > > days of the year), different control laws and schedules can be > > > associated in the same control loop as with week/sat/sunday. > > > > > >== > > > > > > > > > > > >Regards > > > > > >Achim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > > >[mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Lukas Swan (Dal) > > >Sent: Donnerstag, 7. Januar 2010 22:00 > > >To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > >Subject: [esp-r] Zone control sensors - cannot change with control law? > > > > > > > > > > > >Hello- > > > > > > > > > > > >I am modeling a house that has multiple zones and both heating and > > > cooling. > > > > > >Each zone has an independent electric baseboard convective heaters and > > >independent thermostats (i.e. individual zone sensor and actuation). > > > > > >There is also a central cooling system that distributes to each zone > > >proportionally (volume based) and is controlled by a single thermostat > > > on the first floor level (i.e. central sensor and distributed > > > actuation). > > > > > > > > > > > >I was planning on modeling this using zone control loops. > > > > > >Heating during heating months would be completed using a basic > > > controller for each zone with the sensor and actuator at that specific > > > zone's air point. > > > > > >Cooling during other months would be completed using a master/slave > > > scheme (Laws #1 and #21), where slave zones would then reference the > > > master zone air point as the sensor. > > > > > > > > > > > >However, it appears that the specification of the sensor and actuator > > > are outside the scope of a particular period, and are fixed for a given > > > control loop. > > > > > >Also - it appears that each zone can only reference one control loop. > > > > > > > > > > > >Does anyone have a solution to this problem? > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Lukas Swan > > > > > >Dalhousie Univ. > > > > > >Canada > > > > _______________________________________________ > > esp-r mailing list > > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > *************************************************************************** >**************************************************** This email has been > scanned by the Altman Email Security System. > For more information please visit www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems > > *************************************************************************** >**************************************************** > *************************************************************************** >**************************************************** This email has been > scanned by the Altman Email Security System. > For more information please visit www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems > > *************************************************************************** >**************************************************** > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.a From luckygrass100 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 11 10:20:45 2010 From: luckygrass100 at hotmail.com (=?gb2312?B?zfW+1buo?=) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:20:45 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] =?gb2312?b?SG93IHRvIGNoYW5nZSBEV0cgZmlsZXMgaW50byBYMTEgYml0bWFw?= =?gb2312?b?IGZpbGVzo78=?= Message-ID: Dear all: I want to converte DWG files drawn by AutoCAD into an X11 bitmap files and usewith the click-on bitmap facility to create ground topography surfaces to associate with a model.I try many softwares to do it,all failed.Anbody ever add zones by loading existing CAD?It reminds me that the file I am trying to open is not in zip format,but acturally I have compressed the CAD file to zip format by WinZip software.Any answers will be appreciated!Thank you very much!From Daisy in China. _________________________________________________________________ ?Windows Live ???????Messenger2009???? http://www.windowslive.cn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100111/3b951eab/attachment-0001.html From luckygrass100 at hotmail.com Tue Jan 12 08:55:49 2010 From: luckygrass100 at hotmail.com (=?gb2312?B?zfW+1buo?=) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:55:49 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: =?gb2312?b?SG93IHRvIGNoYW5nZSBEV0cgZmlsZXMgaW50byBYMTEgYml0?= =?gb2312?b?bWFwIGZpbGVzo78=?= Message-ID: Dear all: I first convert DWG files to JPG files,then to X11 bitmap files by GIMP software for using with the click-on bitmap facility to create ground topography surfaces associating with a model.But now new problem came.I selected the floor plan extrusion input mode,set the floor elevation to 0.0 and the ceiling elevation to 4.5,then started to define points from the bitmap image to build zones in sequence by selecting the create another zone option after finishing the zone before.When I have finished the last zone and exit from the click-on facility,instead of being presented with a wireframe view of the zones I have created,I can only see the last zone and then was reminded that "FAILURE:.../...geo:0 0 0.000 the no of vertices value(0) < allowable minimum 4!the no of surfaces value(0) < allowable minimum 3".How frustrated? Any answer is appreciated!Thank you very much! _________________________________________________________________ ?Windows Live ???????Messenger2009???? http://www.windowslive.cn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100112/991e50dd/attachment-0001.html From f.vallete at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 13:29:48 2010 From: f.vallete at gmail.com (francois vallete) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:29:48 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problem with ESP-r 's display on Solaris In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413B429DF46F9@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <2a6e90f41001071810l4f3784bfr54976b69a3962a61@mail.gmail.com> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413B429DF46F9@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <2a6e90f41001130529t17a431a8lcd48269225eb98e@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for reply. Yes ! it is -m32 for GCC., but I am using sunf90 compiler. I also tried to compile ESP-r with gcc (3.6 and 4.2 versions) but it fails ... So could someone tell us how to solve the problem of display (see attached image)?? Thanks! On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Jon Hand wrote: > > There is an issue with 64 bit Solaris when the Fortran and C are passing > messages back and forth. The width of the menu is getting corrupted. > > Work-around is to run in text mode (e.g. prj -mode text). > > A 2nd work-around is to force the compile process to be 32 bit. I do > not remember the specific command (in GCC it is -m32). > > Solaris as a virtual box on a 32 bit machine does not seem to > be sensitive to this. > > There are a number of issues about 64 bit Solaris which need > to be addressed just as there are 64 bit issues for Enterprise > Linux versions. These are being dealt with a bit at a time > (frustrating for users and for me) because Solaris has just > about the best debug environment for numerical errors. > > -Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of francois vallete [f.vallete at gmail.com] > Sent: 08 January 2010 02:10 > To: esp-r at lists > Subject: [esp-r] Problem with ESP-r 's display on Solaris > > Hi all, > > I am trying to run ESP-r on solaris (sparc) but unfortunately the menu is > missing (see attached image) > ESP-r was installed successfully and X11 was chosen. Any Idea or > suggestion? > Thank you very much in advance > F.V > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100113/e48937c0/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A trunk/tester/additional_tests/README A trunk/tester/README A trunk/tester/testing_results A trunk/tester/testing_results/Testing_results_ESPr_ 11_7.txt A trunk/tester/testing_results/Testing_results_ESPr_ 11_8.txt So I typed following words: cd /home/daisy/trunk svn update /home/daisy/trunk is "trunk" directory in my conputer.But it gave no response.I am really sad.Any answers will be appreciated!Thank you very much!From Daisy in China. _________________________________________________________________ ?????????????????msn????? http://ditu.live.com/?form=TL&swm=1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100115/46334c9c/attachment.html From luckygrass100 at hotmail.com Fri Jan 15 03:27:24 2010 From: luckygrass100 at hotmail.com (=?gb2312?B?zfW+1buo?=) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 03:27:24 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] FW: Problems of updating esp-r Message-ID: From: luckygrass100 at hotmail.com To: luckygrass100 at hotmail.com Subject: RE: Problems of updating esp-r Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 03:26:56 +0000 Well.I seem to make a mistake.After I download the 'trunk' ,It is the latest version of esp-r source code,no need update again.I mean,I don't know how to install version 11.8 of the ESP-r system by source code I have already download.I move to direction of '/trunk/tester/scripts',and type './tester.pl --help',still not knowing next steps.Please forgive my stupidity.Looking forward to specific instructions.Thank you in advance! From: luckygrass100 at hotmail.com To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: Problems of updating esp-r Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 02:31:06 +0000 Dear all: I spent nearly three days to installed the Subversion client for updating esp-r to Version 11.8.But when I?typed svn checkout https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/trunk in the teminal of system linux,it began to download files.After a few minutes,It seemed to end,with the following lines and then kept unchanged. A trunk/tester/additional_tests/README A trunk/tester/README A trunk/tester/testing_results A trunk/tester/testing_results/Testing_results_ESPr_ 11_7.txt A trunk/tester/testing_results/Testing_results_ESPr_ 11_8.txt So I typed following words: cd /home/daisy/trunk svn update /home/daisy/trunk is "trunk" directory in my conputer.But it gave no response.I am really sad.Any answers will be appreciated!Thank you very much!From Daisy in China. ??+??+?? ??????,??MSN????! ????? _________________________________________________________________ MSN????????????????25???????????2010????????? http://kaba.msn.com.cn/?k=1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100115/8d6dab57/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Jan 15 11:06:14 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:06:14 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problems of updating esp-r In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A1DC1470@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> This is expected that there is a significant pause after the trunk/tester/testing_results/Testing_results_ESPr_ 11_8.txt because the next file is ~100MB (it is an archive of official performance data from almost 200 models). Try removing the trunk folder and give the command again. Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? [luckygrass100 at hotmail.com] Sent: 15 January 2010 02:31 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Problems of updating esp-r Dear all: I spent nearly three days to installed the Subversion client for updating esp-r to Version 11.8.But when I?typed svn checkout https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/trunk in the teminal of system linux,it began to download files.After a few minutes,It seemed to end,with the following lines and then kept unchanged. A trunk/tester/additional_tests/README A trunk/tester/README A trunk/tester/testing_results A trunk/tester/testing_results/Testing_results_ESPr_ 11_7.txt A trunk/tester/testing_results/Testing_results_ESPr_ 11_8.txt So I typed following words: cd /home/daisy/trunk svn update /home/daisy/trunk is "trunk" directory in my conputer.But it gave no response.I am really sad.Any answers will be appreciated!Thank you very much!From Daisy in China. ________________________________ ??????????MSN??? ????? From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Jan 15 11:09:14 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:09:14 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: FW: Problems of updating esp-r In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A1DC1471@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> If you would like to know how to compile ESP-r from scratch look on the ESRU ESP-r download web page for the Developers Guide. There is a section that discusses what to do after you have the source code on your machine. Also look in the src/manual/OS for documentation on setting up your computer. -ESRU ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? [luckygrass100 at hotmail.com] Sent: 15 January 2010 03:27 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] FW: Problems of updating esp-r ________________________________ From: luckygrass100 at hotmail.com To: luckygrass100 at hotmail.com Subject: RE: Problems of updating esp-r Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 03:26:56 +0000 Well.I seem to make a mistake.After I download the 'trunk' ,It is the latest version of esp-r source code,no need update again.I mean,I don't know how to install version 11.8 of the ESP-r system by source code I have already download.I move to direction of '/trunk/tester/scripts',and type './tester.pl --help',still not knowing next steps.Please forgive my stupidity.Looking forward to specific instructions.Thank you in advance! ________________________________ From: luckygrass100 at hotmail.com To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: Problems of updating esp-r Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 02:31:06 +0000 Dear all: I spent nearly three days to installed the Subversion client for updating esp-r to Version 11.8.But when I?typed svn checkout https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/trunk in the teminal of system linux,it began to download files.After a few minutes,It seemed to end,with the following lines and then kept unchanged. A trunk/tester/additional_tests/README A trunk/tester/README A trunk/tester/testing_results A trunk/tester/testing_results/Testing_results_ESPr_ 11_7.txt A trunk/tester/testing_results/Testing_results_ESPr_ 11_8.txt So I typed following words: cd /home/daisy/trunk svn update /home/daisy/trunk is "trunk" directory in my conputer.But it gave no response.I am really sad.Any answers will be appreciated!Thank you very much!From Daisy in China. ________________________________ ??+??+?? ??????,??MSN????! ????? ________________________________ ????? Windows Live Messenger ???????? ????? From aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk Fri Jan 15 11:23:04 2010 From: aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk (Aizaz Samuel) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:23:04 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problems of updating esp-r In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A1DC1470@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A1DC1470@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <201001151123.04068.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> trunk has two directories src and tester - src is source code and is all you need for installing from source - tester is for developers to check their development against standard results and models so if you just want the source code to install then checkout trunk/src which should significantly reduce the download time. -Aizaz On Friday 15 January 2010 11:06, Jon Hand wrote: > This is expected that there is a significant pause after the > trunk/tester/testing_results/Testing_results_ESPr_ 11_8.txt because the > next file is ~100MB (it is an archive of official performance data from > almost 200 models). > > Try removing the trunk folder and give the command again. > > Regards, Jon Hand > > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of ??? [luckygrass100 at hotmail.com] Sent: 15 January 2010 02:31 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Problems of updating esp-r > > Dear all: > I spent nearly three days to installed the Subversion client for > updating esp-r to Version 11.8.But when I?typed svn checkout > https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/trunk in the teminal of system linux,it > began to download files.After a few minutes,It seemed to end,with the > following lines and then kept unchanged. > > A trunk/tester/additional_tests/README > A trunk/tester/README > A trunk/tester/testing_results > A trunk/tester/testing_results/Testing_results_ESPr_ 11_7.txt > A trunk/tester/testing_results/Testing_results_ESPr_ 11_8.txt > > So I typed following words: > > cd /home/daisy/trunk > svn update > > /home/daisy/trunk is "trunk" directory in my conputer.But it gave no > response.I am really sad.Any answers will be appreciated!Thank you very > much!From Daisy in China. > > > > ________________________________ > ??????????MSN??? ????? > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Jan 15 11:21:17 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:21:17 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: =?gb2312?b?SG93IHRvIGNoYW5nZSBEV0cgZmlsZXMgaW50byBYMTEgYml0?= =?gb2312?b?bWFwIGZpbGVzo78=?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A1DC1472@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> The ESP-r Cookbook (Nov 2008) includes a description of the click-on-bitmap facility. To create the X11 bitmap most people open up the CAD tool and get the display of the floor plan on the screen and then use a screen grab application to capture the screen image to a graphic file. Be sure that you know which way is north on the image and that there is a known distance on the image to use to help scale the lines on the drawing. The tool ImageMagic (available on almost all computer types) will allow you to give a command like: import my_building.xbm And the advise in the Cookbook is important - learn the click-on-bitmap by starting with a very simple zone shape and then try more complex zones until you understand how the facility works. -ESRU ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? [luckygrass100 at hotmail.com] Sent: 11 January 2010 10:20 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] How to change DWG files into X11 bitmap files? Dear all: I want to converte DWG files drawn by AutoCAD into an X11 bitmap files and usewith the click-on bitmap facility to create ground topography surfaces to associate with a model.I try many softwares to do it,all failed.Anbody ever add zones by loading existing CAD?It reminds me that the file I am trying to open is not in zip format,but acturally I have compressed the CAD file to zip format by WinZip software.Any answers will be appreciated!Thank you very much!From Daisy in China. ________________________________ ????????,???????????-??,????????! ????? From ehsan0asadi at yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 18:57:21 2010 From: ehsan0asadi at yahoo.com (Ehsan Asadi) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:57:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [esp-r] CO2 unit Message-ID: <953775.3843.qm@web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear all, ? I have done a room simulation with esp-r and defined the contaminant and network flow as well. I was wondering the result in CO2 graph are reported in g/kg or not. As I could see it has written beside the axes g/kg of CO2. I do not know how can I convert the values to PPM unit. Usually 1000(g/kg) of CO2 is considered as PPM (MASS) and to transfer that to the PPM(Volume) it is necessary to?times the value?by 0.667. But in ESP-r documents(Samuel thesis) he just cross the values of CO2 in g/kg?by 1000 and report the result. If someone knows something in this matter, please help me.:) ? Regards Ehsan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Furthermore I have not investigated mechanisms to convert PPM by mass to PPM by volume, it probably includes scaling by relative gram formula masses (air being 28 approximately and CO2 being 44) So one can convert: 1000ppm mass = 1g CO2 per 1000g air = 1/44 mole CO2 per 1000/28 mole air = (1/44)*24 litre CO2 per (1000/28)*24 litre air = 0.636 lit CO2 / 1000 lit air = 636ppm volume The above assumes a molar volume of 24 lit/mol for both gases. There might by other considerations in the above simple calculation so do check against some reference text. Regards, Aizaz Samuel On Monday 18 January 2010 18:57, Ehsan Asadi wrote: > Dear all, > > I have done a room simulation with esp-r and defined the contaminant and > network flow as well. I was wondering the result in CO2 graph are reported > in g/kg or not. As I could see it has written beside the axes g/kg of CO2. > I do not know how can I convert the values to PPM unit. Usually 1000(g/kg) > of CO2 is considered as PPM (MASS) and to transfer that to the PPM(Volume) > it is necessary to times the value by 0.667. But in ESP-r documents(Samuel > thesis) he just cross the values of CO2 in g/kg by 1000 and report the > result. If someone knows something in this matter, please help me.:) > > Regards > Ehsan From luckygrass100 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 20 12:22:27 2010 From: luckygrass100 at hotmail.com (=?gb2312?B?zfW+1buo?=) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:22:27 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Problems of updating the .profile file Message-ID: Dear all, According to instructions_for_linux_installer.txt,If you are running the bash shell then you would look for an entry in the .profile file something like: export PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/esru/bin:/usr/esru/esp-r/bin:/home/fred/bin:$PATH But I don't know how to edit it.File /etc/profile is as follows: # /etc/profile: system-wide .profile file for the Bourne shell (sh(1)) # and Bourne compatible shells (bash(1), ksh(1), ash(1), ...). if [ -d /etc/profile.d ]; then for i in /etc/profile.d/*.sh; do if [ -r $i ]; then . $i fi done unset i fi if [ "$PS1" ]; then if [ "$BASH" ]; then PS1='\u@\h:\w\$ ' if [ -f /etc/bash.bashrc ]; then . /etc/bash.bashrc fi else if [ "`id -u`" -eq 0 ]; then PS1='# ' else PS1='$ ' fi fi fi umask 022 I try to add export PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/esru/bin:/usr/esru/esp-r/bin:/home/fred/bin:$PATH at the end of file profile.But it didn't work after I restarted Ubuntu.Look forward to your answers.Grateful thanks! _________________________________________________________________ MSN????????MSN??????????? http://10.msn.com.cn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100120/cd0f82fd/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Jan 20 13:07:41 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:07:41 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: How to start esp-r from within an X11 command window In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A1DC1488@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A new-to-linux question. For questions at this level of detail email discussion groups might not be the most efficient approach. There are many small books written about Linux for new-to-linux people. It will save you lots of time if you buy one of these and read it for basic Linux skills. Also, see if you can find a colleague or friend who knows a bit about Linux. Almost all Linux distributions will have an option for getting a graphic terminal application from one of the main pull-down menus (look in Accessories or in System Tools). You will need to learn the Linux commands for navigating to different folders via commands typed into a graphic terminal. And you will want to learn how to create new folders. And to ensure that you do not loose valuable models you will want to learn how to create the Linux equivalent of a zip file. Someone who knows Linux can demonstrate these things to you in 15 minutes. Assuming you have started up a graphic terminal and you have changed to a folder named Models you could start up ESP-r by giving the following command: prj To find out the command options for prj give the command: prj -help And if you are more confident working in a Windows environment you might choose to use the Native Windows version of ESP-r. -ESRU ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? [luckygrass100 at hotmail.com] Sent: 20 January 2010 12:30 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] How to start esp-r from within an X11 command window Dear all, I want to run ESP-r in graphics mode,but I don't know how to give the command to start esp-r from within an X11 command window.How shall I start an X11 command window?I use Ubuntu-8.04.Look forward to your answers.Grateful thanks! ________________________________ ??????????MSN??? ????? From luckygrass100 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 20 13:45:29 2010 From: luckygrass100 at hotmail.com (=?gb2312?B?zfW+1buo?=) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:45:29 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Problems of updating the .profile file Message-ID: Dear all, According to instructions_for_linux_installer.txt,If you are running the bash shell then you would look for an entry in the .profile file something like: export PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/esru/bin:/usr/esru/esp-r/bin:/home/fred/bin:$PATH But I don't know how to edit it.File /etc/profile is as follows: # /etc/profile: system-wide .profile file for the Bourne shell (sh(1)) # and Bourne compatible shells (bash(1), ksh(1), ash(1), ...). if [ -d /etc/profile.d ]; then for i in /etc/profile.d/*.sh; do if [ -r $i ]; then . $i fi done unset i fi if [ "$PS1" ]; then if [ "$BASH" ]; then PS1='\u@\h:\w\$ ' if [ -f /etc/bash.bashrc ]; then . /etc/bash.bashrc fi else if [ "`id -u`" -eq 0 ]; then PS1='# ' else PS1='$ ' fi fi fi umask 022 I try to add export PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/esru/bin:/usr/esru/esp-r/bin:/home/fred/bin:$PATH at the end of file profile.But it didn't work after I restarted Ubuntu.Look forward to your answers.Grateful thanks! _________________________________________________________________ MSN????????MSN??????????? http://10.msn.com.cn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100120/84812789/attachment.html From Bernhard.Schweighofer at tugraz.at Wed Jan 20 15:18:14 2010 From: Bernhard.Schweighofer at tugraz.at (Bernhard Schweighofer) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:18:14 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problems of updating the .profile file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B571EB6.5040203@tugraz.at> edit the .profile in your own home directory (i guess '/home/fred/.profile') and add: PATH=$PATH:/home/fred/bin regards Bernhard BTW.: There is no need to reboot ubuntu, just open a new terminal... From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Jan 20 16:33:14 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:33:14 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problem with ESP-r 's display on Solaris In-Reply-To: <2a6e90f41001071810l4f3784bfr54976b69a3962a61@mail.gmail.com> References: <2a6e90f41001071810l4f3784bfr54976b69a3962a61@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A1DC1491@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Code has just been committed to a branch that appears to correct the problem with menu width as well as drawing the wire-frame views on Solaris sparc workstations. This will become part of the standard source code at some point in the future. If anyone needs this urgently then please contact me (Jon Hand) and I will tell you how to access the changes needed. Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of francois vallete [f.vallete at gmail.com] Sent: 08 January 2010 02:10 To: esp-r at lists Subject: [esp-r] Problem with ESP-r 's display on Solaris Hi all, I am trying to run ESP-r on solaris (sparc) but unfortunately the menu is missing (see attached image) ESP-r was installed successfully and X11 was chosen. Any Idea or suggestion? Thank you very much in advance F.V From luckygrass100 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 21 10:39:16 2010 From: luckygrass100 at hotmail.com (=?gb2312?B?zfW+1buo?=) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:39:16 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] FW: Problems of updating the .profile file Message-ID: Today I tried to add export PATH=$PATH/usr/local/bin:/opt/esru/esp-r/bin:/home/fred/bin:$PATH at the end of file profile?and it succeeded to start esp-r from terminal.Here,I would like to thank all people in esp-r users' club who have gave me answers for solving problems,especially,Jon Hand.It's so kind of you!We don't know each other,but you really help me a lot! From: luckygrass100 at hotmail.com To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: Problems of updating the .profile file Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:45:29 +0000 Dear all, According to instructions_for_linux_installer.txt,If you are running the bash shell then you would look for an entry in the .profile file something like: export PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/esru/bin:/usr/esru/esp-r/bin:/home/fred/bin:$PATH But I don't know how to edit it.File /etc/profile is as follows: # /etc/profile: system-wide .profile file for the Bourne shell (sh(1)) # and Bourne compatible shells (bash(1), ksh(1), ash(1), ...). if [ -d /etc/profile.d ]; then for i in /etc/profile.d/*.sh; do if [ -r $i ]; then . $i fi done unset i fi if [ "$PS1" ]; then if [ "$BASH" ]; then PS1='\u@\h:\w\$ ' if [ -f /etc/bash.bashrc ]; then . /etc/bash.bashrc fi else if [ "`id -u`" -eq 0 ]; then PS1='# ' else PS1='$ ' fi fi fi umask 022 I try to add export PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/esru/bin:/usr/esru/esp-r/bin:/home/fred/bin:$PATH at the end of file profile.But it didn't work after I restarted Ubuntu.Look forward to your answers.Grateful thanks! ??Messenger???2.0????????? ?????? _________________________________________________________________ SkyDrive????????????????????????! http://www.windowslive.cn/campaigns/e-magazine/ngmchina/?a=c -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100121/94509f7f/attachment.html From aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk Thu Jan 21 11:18:47 2010 From: aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk (Aizaz Samuel) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:18:47 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: batch-modus In-Reply-To: <201001211133319067607@gmx.net> References: <201001211133319067607@gmx.net> Message-ID: <201001211118.47553.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> For batch processing in windows take a look at the ADEPT project (available from sesg.strath.ac.uk) For changing linux models to windows use the scripts in src/bin/ especially M2dos, M2linux. If you have just downloaded the executibles, scripts are available from https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/trunk/src/bin/ If you find running these difficult open these in a text editor and read the help notes and that should give you a good idea how to go about it manually i.e. without using the script. For weather files open these within ESP-r and export to ascii. Edit the ascii version in a spreadsheet (or however) and import back into ESP-r. -Aizaz On Thursday 21 January 2010 10:33, e.petra wrote: > dear all, > > is there any possibility to run esp-models which were created in linux > under windows? is there also a way to simulate an existing model under > windows in a batch-modus (without opening esp itsself?) and does anybody > know if theres a way to change weatherfiles in a esp-model - without > opening esp? > > many thanks. > greetings From luckygrass100 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 21 13:54:14 2010 From: luckygrass100 at hotmail.com (=?gb2312?B?zfW+1buo?=) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:54:14 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] problems of click on bitmap facility Message-ID: Dear all, I want to define zones via the click-on-grid facility.I choose the floor plan extrusion mode and define zones,but when I exit from the click on facility,no zone appeares in the window,except the direction axis.But strangely,I can still enter the option of geometry&attribution and find all zones with right vertex coordinates and surface list.Moreover,when I restart the project manager and try to open the model again,it fails,reminding that could not find *.cfg.I feel disappointed.I just do the same thing as the cookbook tells.Your answers will be expected.Thank you in advance. _________________________________________________________________ MSN????????????????25???????????2010????????? http://kaba.msn.com.cn/?k=1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100121/eefaf022/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Jan 21 15:18:48 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:18:48 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: problems of click on bitmap facility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A1DC149A@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> More issues on click on bitmap.... There are two separate issues. Not seeing the drawing of the zone(s) after using the click-on-bitmap facility. This bug was recently fixed for the newest versions of ESP-r. There should be new installers available in next week (we are re-configuring our servers). Re-opening the model is a good work-around for this bug. The second issue is a failure to load a model with an message could not find *.cfg file. This has been recently discussed on the email list. If you are working on Unix/Linux/MacOS or within the Cygwin emulation environment...... ESP-r works best if you use the operating system commands to go to the folder with the model cfg file. Then start the Project Manager with that cfg file name. For example cd MyModels/project_one/cfg prj -file project.cfg Typical modes of failure are a typographic error in the command line or a file name with a character which is unprintable or a file name with a space in it. If you are working on Native Windows then use windows explorer to go to the folder which has the model cfg file and then double click on the cfg file. -ESRU ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? [luckygrass100 at hotmail.com] Sent: 21 January 2010 13:54 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] problems of click on bitmap facility Dear all, I want to define zones via the click-on-grid facility.I choose the floor plan extrusion mode and define zones,but when I exit from the click on facility,no zone appeares in the window,except the direction axis.But strangely,I can still enter the option of geometry&attribution and find all zones with right vertex coordinates and surface list.Moreover,when I restart the project manager and try to open the model again,it fails,reminding that could not find *.cfg.I feel disappointed.I just do the same thing as the cookbook tells.Your answers will be expected.Thank you in advance. ________________________________ ????? Windows Live Messenger ???????? ????? From luckygrass100 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 23 08:51:23 2010 From: luckygrass100 at hotmail.com (=?gb2312?B?zfW+1buo?=) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:51:23 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] How to rotate the whole model in one time? Message-ID: Dear all, I wonder if there is some way to rotate the whole model by a certain angle in one time?Because the model I am going to rotate has many zones,and several floors.It is a little complex.As I know,I must rotate zones around site origin one by one.It really take a lot of time. Another question,I am using the click-on-bitmap facility to build the model.In order to locate clear bitmap image in display area of esp-r,I set the screen of Ubuntn system biggest.But frequently when I start to click on the bitmap for building a zone,the bitmap image disappears,with the display area blank.I must click on the blank image at random and type 'e' to finish a useless zone,then select clear points & continue option in the text dialog box below and make the bitmap image visible again by selecting refresh bitmap option when Point definition facility appears.It happens very often,decreasing my work efficiency greatly.Not only on occasion of using the click-on-bitmap facility does the display area of esp-r turn blank,but also on other occasions.For example,I minimize esp-r Project Manager window,and then reopen it.Or I leave it there for a long while,etc.Is there some method to make the blank display area show models quickly? Your ideas will be appreciated!Grateful thanks! O(?_?)O~ _________________________________________________________________ ?????????????????msn????? http://ditu.live.com/?form=TL&swm=1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100123/f2d1c515/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Jan 25 09:02:49 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 09:02:49 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: How to rotate the whole model in one time? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A1DC14A6@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A question about global model rotation. In the project manager select Model Management -> browse edit -> zone composition -> global tasks For those who want to script this task there are two command line options when starting up the project manager: prj -file myfile.cfg -act transform X Y Z (where 'transform' is the key word, X is the x transform, y is the y transform) or prj -file myfile.cfg -act rotate R X Y ( where 'rotate' is the key word, R is the rotation angle and X & Y is the point to transform around) use the command prj -help to get more information on this. When you use the command line options the project manager will open the model, performan the transforms and, if necessary update the files and re-calculate shading for the model and then shut itself down without further user intervention. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? [luckygrass100 at hotmail.com] Sent: 23 January 2010 08:51 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] How to rotate the whole model in one time? Dear all, I wonder if there is some way to rotate the whole model by a certain angle in one time?Because the model I am going to rotate has many zones,and several floors.It is a little complex.As I know,I must rotate zones around site origin one by one.It really take a lot of time. Another question,I am using the click-on-bitmap facility to build the model.In order to locate clear bitmap image in display area of esp-r,I set the screen of Ubuntn system biggest.But frequently when I start to click on the bitmap for building a zone,the bitmap image disappears,with the display area blank.I must click on the blank image at random and type 'e' to finish a useless zone,then select clear points & continue option in the text dialog box below and make the bitmap image visible again by selecting refresh bitmap option when Point definition facility appears.It happens very often,decreasing my work efficiency greatly.Not only on occasion of using the click-on-bitmap facility does the display area of esp-r turn blank,but also on other occasions.For example,I minimize esp-r Project Manager window,and then reopen it.Or I leave it there for a long while,etc.Is there some method to make the blank display area show models quickly? Your ideas will be appreciated!Grateful thanks! O(?_?)O~ ________________________________ ??????????MSN??? ????? From siddelec at gmail.com Tue Jan 26 01:45:21 2010 From: siddelec at gmail.com (Siddharth Goyal) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:45:21 -0500 Subject: [esp-r] Zone Construction Problem Message-ID: <75CFC456-9C61-4516-8D86-35435F9E3FF8@gmail.com> Hi Everyone, I am constructing a 4 room (4 zone building). It is in the form of square 100 m^2. So there are 2 walls in each room which are common to other rooms. I have defined all the surfaces and vertices correctly, I have checked the topology also. But when I go back to the zone construction it shows kind of square bracket instead of wall name and says surface topology incorrect. I have tried it couple of time from scratch, but it shows same square bracket (this square bracket some times come in zone two , some times in zone 3). I was wondering if anyone knows hows to resolve that issue Thanks Sidd From luckygrass100 at hotmail.com Tue Jan 26 08:04:17 2010 From: luckygrass100 at hotmail.com (=?gb2312?B?zfW+1buo?=) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:04:17 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] Defining the boundary conditions of the public floor Message-ID: Dear all, I have a new question again.I am building the model of a five-storey hospital,with different structure of division for rooms of the adjacent storeys,which however share the same ceiling,or we call,floor. As we know,only surfaces in various zones which are close matches in terms of shape and position can be recognized as facing each other by check via vertex contiguity facility.On other occasion,it will pause and ask for confirmation.Can I just choose dynamic(similar) boundary option for all ceiling surfaces of the hospital model? Or I must adjust zones matching each other in terms of shape and position for the adjacent storeys,of cause,this is very complex. _________________________________________________________________ MSN????????MSN??????????? http://10.msn.com.cn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100126/097664b2/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Jan 26 11:40:45 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:40:45 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Zone Construction Problem In-Reply-To: <75CFC456-9C61-4516-8D86-35435F9E3FF8@gmail.com> References: <75CFC456-9C61-4516-8D86-35435F9E3FF8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A1DC14B0@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> The following question is probably indicative of a model that does have a mis-match between the number of surfaces in the various zone geometry files and the master list of connections. This can cause null characters for names of surfaces. It is not clear what specific actions were taking when 'checking topology' but this user should make a backup copy of the model and then in the topology menu select the option to clear all topology and then re-establish it. Then go into the geometry and attribution menu for each of the zones and check that the listed surface names have been filled in correctly. And, it will also be helpful to generate a QA report of the model and check the details included in that report. To get this report go to Model Management -> browse edit -> QA reporting If the version of ESP-r is older it might also be worth getting one of the newer ESP-r versions from the ESRU web site (http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk) downloads page for ESP-r. -ESRU ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Siddharth Goyal [siddelec at gmail.com] Sent: 26 January 2010 01:45 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Zone Construction Problem Hi Everyone, I am constructing a 4 room (4 zone building). It is in the form of square 100 m^2. So there are 2 walls in each room which are common to other rooms. I have defined all the surfaces and vertices correctly, I have checked the topology also. But when I go back to the zone construction it shows kind of square bracket instead of wall name and says surface topology incorrect. I have tried it couple of time from scratch, but it shows same square bracket (this square bracket some times come in zone two , some times in zone 3). I was wondering if anyone knows hows to resolve that issue Thanks Sidd _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Jan 26 11:41:26 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:41:26 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Defining the boundary conditions of the public floor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A1DC14B1@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A question about boundary conditions.... The choice of using a 'similar/dynamic' boundary type or a boundary which is a specific surface in another room depends on whether you think there might be differences in the temperatures of the two zones. The 'similar/dynamic' essentially says if it is hot in my current room the room on the other side is probably also hot. If this is not a true statement then you should form the geometry of the model so that the ceiling and floor surfaces are of similar size and shape and then can be thermally linked. Remember that each surface can only have one boundary condition and if a ceiling in one room is geometrically associated with two rooms in the level above then the ceiling will need to be defined as two separate surfaces. -ESRU ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? [luckygrass100 at hotmail.com] Sent: 26 January 2010 08:04 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Defining the boundary conditions of the public floor Dear all, I have a new question again.I am building the model of a five-storey hospital,with different structure of division for rooms of the adjacent storeys,which however share the same ceiling,or we call,floor. As we know,only surfaces in various zones which are close matches in terms of shape and position can be recognized as facing each other by check via vertex contiguity facility.On other occasion,it will pause and ask for confirmation.Can I just choose dynamic(similar) boundary option for all ceiling surfaces of the hospital model? Or I must adjust zones matching each other in terms of shape and position for the adjacent storeys,of cause,this is very complex. ________________________________ ??Messenger???2.0????????? ?????? From luckygrass100 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 27 10:34:56 2010 From: luckygrass100 at hotmail.com (=?gb2312?B?zfW+1buo?=) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:34:56 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] =?gb2312?b?Tm9ybWFsIG1heGltdW0gem9uZXMgdmFsdWUgNzKjvw==?= Message-ID: Dear all? I am trying to build a real hospital model.There are many zones in every floor.This afternoon,I met a problem that when I built more than 72 zones,the esp-r closed itself,reminding segmentation fault,and I can't open the configution file again,warning that zones value(73) > normal maximum 72!I have never known that.If maximum zones value is 72,how can I do to build the hospital model with more than 300 zones for the total five storeys?Your answers will be appreciated!Grateful thanks in advance. Daisy. _________________________________________________________________ ?Windows Live ???????Messenger2009???? http://www.windowslive.cn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100127/b3e0128f/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Wed Jan 27 10:43:35 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:43:35 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: =?gb2312?b?Tm9ybWFsIG1heGltdW0gem9uZXMgdmFsdWUgNzKjvw==?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000c01ca9f3d$9740d3b0$c5c27b10$@geissler@intergga.ch> Dear Daisy it would maybe be possible to extend the number of zones allowed (change of source, recompile ?C though going beyond 99 zones may prove hazardous). However, I would strongly recommend first checking if you cannot reduce the number of zones in actually necessary in the model by combining thermally similar ??real rooms?? to one thermal zone. Keep in mind that bookkeeping for such a number of zones is exponentially error prone and time consuming. Regards Achim From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? Sent: Mittwoch, 27. Januar 2010 11:35 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Normal maximum zones value 72?? Dear all?? I am trying to build a real hospital model.There are many zones in every floor.This afternoon,I met a problem that when I built more than 72 zones,the esp-r closed itself,reminding segmentation fault,and I can't open the configution file again,warning that zones value(73) > normal maximum 72!I have never known that.If maximum zones value is 72,how can I do to build the hospital model with more than 300 zones for the total five storeys?Your answers will be appreciated!Grateful thanks in advance. Daisy. _____ ????????????????,??????????????????????-????,????????????????! ?????????? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100127/06c8efad/attachment.html From luckygrass100 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 27 11:32:23 2010 From: luckygrass100 at hotmail.com (=?gb2312?B?zfW+1buo?=) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:32:23 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] =?gb2312?b?Rlc6ICBOb3JtYWwgbWF4aW11bSB6b25lcyB2YWx1ZSA3MqO/?= In-Reply-To: <000c01ca9f3d$9740d3b0$c5c27b10$@geissler@intergga.ch> References: , <000c01ca9f3d$9740d3b0$c5c27b10$@geissler@intergga.ch> Message-ID: Dear Achim?? Thank you for giving answers to my question.But I wonder how to extend the number of zones allowed by change of source or recompiling?Would you please tell me the specific operations?Moreover,why it is hazardous going beyond 99 zones?What if I build a high-rise building which may be over 20 floors?Then I can only prepare 3-4 zones for each floor.If so,the accuracy of simulation results may be worrisome.Thanks!Daisy. From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch To: luckygrass100 at hotmail.com; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: [esp-r] Normal maximum zones value 72?? Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:43:35 +0100 Dear Daisy it would maybe be possible to extend the number of zones allowed (change of source, recompile ?C though going beyond 99 zones may prove hazardous). However, I would strongly recommend first checking if you cannot reduce the number of zones in actually necessary in the model by combining thermally similar ??real rooms?? to one thermal zone. Keep in mind that bookkeeping for such a number of zones is exponentially error prone and time consuming. Regards Achim From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? Sent: Mittwoch, 27. Januar 2010 11:35 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Normal maximum zones value 72?? Dear all?? I am trying to build a real hospital model.There are many zones in every floor.This afternoon,I met a problem that when I built more than 72 zones,the esp-r closed itself,reminding segmentation fault,and I can't open the configution file again,warning that zones value(73) > normal maximum 72!I have never known that.If maximum zones value is 72,how can I do to build the hospital model with more than 300 zones for the total five storeys?Your answers will be appreciated!Grateful thanks in advance. Daisy. _________________________________________________________________ MSN????????????????????????????????25??????????????????????2010?????????????????? http://kaba.msn.com.cn/?k=1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100127/7cb86f47/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Jan 27 11:59:40 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:59:40 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: =?gb2312?b?Rlc6ICBOb3JtYWwgbWF4aW11bSB6b25lcyB2YWx1ZSA3MqO/?= In-Reply-To: References: , <000c01ca9f3d$9740d3b0$c5c27b10$@geissler@intergga.ch>, Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A1DC14B8@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Achim has a very good point - ensuring the quality of large models is difficult in any simulation tool, especially if you are new to the tool. The general rule is - if you can make a model with a dozen zones and it works correctly the first time you run a simulation you have the skills needed to make a model with 24 zones. Once 24 zone is a normal task then try for 50. Many experts in ESP-r have the opinion that it is possible to answer questions about a large real building without assessing every room in the building. This is true for hospitals which have much duplication of room types and room uses. Suggest that you make an agreement with an expert to review your project and offer detailed advise. You will also want to contract with an expert to review your model. The complexity of model that a specific version of ESP-r can accommidate is available within the "Introduction to ESP-r" option in the ESP-r project manager. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ?????? [luckygrass100 at hotmail.com] Sent: 27 January 2010 11:32 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] FW: Normal maximum zones value 72?? Dear Achim?? Thank you for giving answers to my question.But I wonder how to extend the number of zones allowed by change of source or recompiling?Would you please tell me the specific operations?Moreover,why it is hazardous going beyond 99 zones?What if I build a high-rise building which may be over 20 floors?Then I can only prepare 3-4 zones for each floor.If so,the accuracy of simulation results may be worrisome.Thanks!Daisy. ________________________________ From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch To: luckygrass100 at hotmail.com; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: [esp-r] Normal maximum zones value 72?? Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:43:35 +0100 Dear Daisy it would maybe be possible to extend the number of zones allowed (change of source, recompile ?C though going beyond 99 zones may prove hazardous). However, I would strongly recommend first checking if you cannot reduce the number of zones in actually necessary in the model by combining thermally similar ??real rooms?? to one thermal zone. Keep in mind that bookkeeping for such a number of zones is exponentially error prone and time consuming. Regards Achim From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? Sent: Mittwoch, 27. Januar 2010 11:35 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Normal maximum zones value 72?? Dear all?? I am trying to build a real hospital model.There are many zones in every floor.This afternoon,I met a problem that when I built more than 72 zones,the esp-r closed itself,reminding segmentation fault,and I can't open the configution file again,warning that zones value(73) > normal maximum 72!I have never known that.If maximum zones value is 72,how can I do to build the hospital model with more than 300 zones for the total five storeys?Your answers will be appreciated!Grateful thanks in advance. Daisy. ________________________________ ?????????? Windows Live Messenger ???????????????? ?????????? From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Wed Jan 27 12:18:25 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:18:25 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: =?gb2312?b?Rlc6ICBOb3JtYWwgbWF4aW11bSB6b25lcyB2YWx1ZSA3MqO/?= In-Reply-To: References: , <000c01ca9f3d$9740d3b0$c5c27b10$@geissler@intergga.ch> Message-ID: <001a01ca9f4a$d610c520$82324f60$@geissler@intergga.ch> Dear Daisy increasing the number of possible zones is quite easy, I only said ??may prove hazardous??. This is due to that going past two digits for the zone number may have side effects in parts of the code ?C may, mind you. What you need to do is go into the file /include/building.h and change the value of MCOM. Then make clean, Install. That??s it. If you have a high rise building, possibly many levels (or at least groups of levels) have the same usage / layout etc. You could then model only one level per such group and use multipliers for overall energy consumptions of interest. In any case, I would try to keep a model as simple as possible. Which accuracy will be reduced, in your opinion, for a high-rise building? What are you simulating? What are the questions being asked? Achim From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? Sent: Mittwoch, 27. Januar 2010 12:32 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] FW: Normal maximum zones value 72?? Dear Achim?? Thank you for giving answers to my question.But I wonder how to extend the number of zones allowed by change of source or recompiling?Would you please tell me the specific operations?Moreover,why it is hazardous going beyond 99 zones?What if I build a high-rise building which may be over 20 floors?Then I can only prepare 3-4 zones for each floor.If so,the accuracy of simulation results may be worrisome.Thanks!Daisy. _____ From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch To: luckygrass100 at hotmail.com; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: [esp-r] Normal maximum zones value 72?? Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:43:35 +0100 Dear Daisy it would maybe be possible to extend the number of zones allowed (change of source, recompile ?C though going beyond 99 zones may prove hazardous). However, I would strongly recommend first checking if you cannot reduce the number of zones in actually necessary in the model by combining thermally similar ??real rooms?? to one thermal zone. Keep in mind that bookkeeping for such a number of zones is exponentially error prone and time consuming. Regards Achim From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? Sent: Mittwoch, 27. Januar 2010 11:35 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Normal maximum zones value 72?? Dear all?? I am trying to build a real hospital model.There are many zones in every floor.This afternoon,I met a problem that when I built more than 72 zones,the esp-r closed itself,reminding segmentation fault,and I can't open the configution file again,warning that zones value(73) > normal maximum 72!I have never known that.If maximum zones value is 72,how can I do to build the hospital model with more than 300 zones for the total five storeys?Your answers will be appreciated!Grateful thanks in advance. Daisy. _____ ?????????? 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100128/3ca32043/attachment.html From e.petra at gmx.net Sun Jan 31 17:24:50 2010 From: e.petra at gmx.net (Petra Liedl) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:24:50 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] weatherfiles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100131172450.135750@gmx.net> Dear all, I`ve a quite simple problem. How can I change and save the weatherfile in esp-r? I want to import a new one I`ve already created in the binary form. Thank you for your help. Greetings -- Nur noch bis 31.01.2010: DSL-Komplettpaket f?r 16,99 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Feb 1 10:07:24 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 10:07:24 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: weatherfiles In-Reply-To: <20100131172450.135750@gmx.net> References: , <20100131172450.135750@gmx.net> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A1DC14D6@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Using a new weather file in ESP-r.... There is a section in the ESP-r Cookbook that discusses this. If you want to use this climate file in several models it is useful to place the climate file in the same folder as the standard climate files that come with ESP-r. You should also include an entry in the 'climatelist' file so that it is possible to 'browse' the new climate file in the same way that other climate files are accessed. The clm module includes a facility to create the block of text that needs to be edited into the 'climatelist' file. If you only want to use this climate with on model then copy it into the model dbs folder or cfg folder and then directly reference this file. -ESRU ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Petra Liedl [e.petra at gmx.net] Sent: 31 January 2010 17:24 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] weatherfiles Dear all, I`ve a quite simple problem. How can I change and save the weatherfile in esp-r? I want to import a new one I`ve already created in the binary form. Thank you for your help. Greetings -- Nur noch bis 31.01.2010: DSL-Komplettpaket f?r 16,99 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From sadeghipour at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 13:01:45 2010 From: sadeghipour at gmail.com (Mostapha Sadeghipour) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 16:31:45 +0330 Subject: [esp-r] Image result capturing problem Message-ID: Dear Esp-r users, When I capture an image result from the esp-r into an image file using the capture button it seems to be done correctly, at least on the interface; however when I check for the file in the folder there is no file. I traced it in the the terminal and I found this massage appears: sh: import: not found However I use "Print Screen" button as an alternative solution I wonder if can I fix the original problem in someway? I use Esp-r 11.8 and Ubuntu 9.10. Regards, Mostapha -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100201/11de53a7/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Feb 1 13:25:15 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 13:25:15 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Image result capturing problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A1DC14DD@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> In the following message the key information is "sh: import: not found " The executable 'import' is part of ImageMagick. Install this package and you will have the tool you need. And some users will just start up a small X terminal and give the import command within that so that they can do it at any point during their ESP-r sessions. The syntax is import filename.extension Import will understand extensions like gif and jpg and create a file of the relevant type in the folder where the import command was given. And once the file is created use the command display filename.extension to check what you have captured. -ESRU ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mostapha Sadeghipour [sadeghipour at gmail.com] Sent: 01 February 2010 13:01 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Image result capturing problem Dear Esp-r users, When I capture an image result from the esp-r into an image file using the capture button it seems to be done correctly, at least on the interface; however when I check for the file in the folder there is no file. I traced it in the the terminal and I found this massage appears: sh: import: not found However I use "Print Screen" button as an alternative solution I wonder if can I fix the original problem in someway? I use Esp-r 11.8 and Ubuntu 9.10. Regards, Mostapha From francesco.frontini at polimi.it Tue Feb 2 13:51:58 2010 From: francesco.frontini at polimi.it (Francesco Frontini) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 14:51:58 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Window u-value temperature dependency in ESPr Message-ID: Dear ESP-r users, I have a question regarding how ESP-r calculates the properties of a glass unit (for example a double glaze unit with argon gap). I red several discussions about the capability of ESP-r of reading and importing WIS or Window data file, but for me is not clear which kind of data espr effectively read. My knowledge is that, when we specify a glass construction we have to give the resistances of the air gap between the glass panes (that is a fix value) in the construction library and then define the optical properties in the optic database (ESPr ask for the angle dependence absorptances of the different panes and the angle dependence transmittance of the different panes). That?s all! Am I wrong? Now comes the question? How does ESPr calculates the temperature dependency of the air (or gas) gap resistance between the panes? It is not possible to define the emissivity of both glass pane surfaces? I know that TRNSYS uses the Window 4 model (but, if I correctly remember, TRNSYS is not able to consider not standard emissivities for the outer surfaces). I have this question because I am modelling a family house room under a tilted roof. The window is a roof window (like Velux). I think that, for such cases, it is relevant to model correctly the temperature dependency (also the wind dependency) of the gas-gap resistance. Any help is appreciated. Francesco -- Dr. Francesco Frontini, MEng PhD in Buildings Engineering ---------------------------------------- Fraunhofer Institut f?r Solare Energiesysteme ISE Heidenhofstr. 2, 79110 Freiburg, Germany M1: [+39] 333-3097826 M2: [+49] (0)1522-1624691 Phone: [+49] (0)7614588-5358 FAX: [+49] (0)7614588-9358 @1: francesco.frontini at ise.fraunhofer.de @2: francesco.frontini at polimi.it ---------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100202/2f046247/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Tue Feb 2 14:35:58 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 15:35:58 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Window u-value temperature dependency in ESPr In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001001caa415$09e37310$1daa5930$@geissler@intergga.ch> Dear Francesco you have it right for the ?traditional? MLC. With this construction type, the gap resistance is not temperature-dependant. However, as of release 11.7 (I think it was), there is a new type called ?CFC? (Complex Fenestration Constructions?). This type uses the actual emissivity of the surfaces and calculates temperature-dependant properties for the IGU gap (and has some other quite handy frills). The underlying model / theory etc. is well described in Bartosz Lomanowski?s thesis, available at ESRU. Regards Achim From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Francesco Frontini Sent: Dienstag, 2. Februar 2010 14:52 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Window u-value temperature dependency in ESPr Dear ESP-r users, I have a question regarding how ESP-r calculates the properties of a glass unit (for example a double glaze unit with argon gap). I red several discussions about the capability of ESP-r of reading and importing WIS or Window data file, but for me is not clear which kind of data espr effectively read. My knowledge is that, when we specify a glass construction we have to give the resistances of the air gap between the glass panes (that is a fix value) in the construction library and then define the optical properties in the optic database (ESPr ask for the angle dependence absorptances of the different panes and the angle dependence transmittance of the different panes). That?s all! Am I wrong? Now comes the question? How does ESPr calculates the temperature dependency of the air (or gas) gap resistance between the panes? It is not possible to define the emissivity of both glass pane surfaces? I know that TRNSYS uses the Window 4 model (but, if I correctly remember, TRNSYS is not able to consider not standard emissivities for the outer surfaces). I have this question because I am modelling a family house room under a tilted roof. The window is a roof window (like Velux). I think that, for such cases, it is relevant to model correctly the temperature dependency (also the wind dependency) of the gas-gap resistance. Any help is appreciated. Francesco -- Dr. Francesco Frontini, MEng PhD in Buildings Engineering ---------------------------------------- Fraunhofer Institut f?r Solare Energiesysteme ISE Heidenhofstr. 2, 79110 Freiburg, Germany M1: [+39] 333-3097826 M2: [+49] (0)1522-1624691 Phone: [+49] (0)7614588-5358 FAX: [+49] (0)7614588-9358 @1: francesco.frontini at ise.fraunhofer.de @2: francesco.frontini at polimi.it ---------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100202/1b029b50/attachment.html From bob.irving at brookes.ac.uk Tue Feb 2 16:11:27 2010 From: bob.irving at brookes.ac.uk (Bob Irving) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 16:11:27 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] World turned upside down.... Message-ID: <2B29137A-B225-4C32-99B9-5CD5A5E399C2@brookes.ac.uk> Attached is a screen shot of the first zone I have created in a model. After entering the vertices of the zone, I changed the names and added constructions for two walls and then did the same for the Base, with the addition of linking it to the ground. Returning to the wireframe, I now observe that the Base, renamed to Bdrm1_floor, is at the top of the drawing and Top-8 is at the bottom. I've not rotated the drawing at all (honest!) Please advise! 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Whether or not this is possible...the lesson for all is that wire-frame views can tell lies.... there are several reports that can help identify whether they are true. hint one - turn on the surface normals and look to see that they are facing towards outside/otherside hint two - look at the reported azimuth and elevations in the surface details report. east is 90 degrees and south is 180 degrees, floors have an elevation of -90 etc. hint three - check these numbers prior to spending time attributing surfaces - if you have an upside down world you might just want to delete it and start again. hint four - if you are putting in a floor plan extrusion check the order you put in the X Y edges (they need to be anti-clockwise looking down). If you put them in clockwise you will have an inside-out model. hint five - mode QA reports are REALLY good for checking models. Create and print out and show them to your colleagues - they might spot something and it might take them only a few minutes. -ESRU ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Bob Irving [bob.irving at brookes.ac.uk] Sent: 02 February 2010 16:11 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] World turned upside down.... Attached is a screen shot of the first zone I have created in a model. After entering the vertices of the zone, I changed the names and added constructions for two walls and then did the same for the Base, with the addition of linking it to the ground. Returning to the wireframe, I now observe that the Base, renamed to Bdrm1_floor, is at the top of the drawing and Top-8 is at the bottom. I've not rotated the drawing at all (honest!) Please advise! Bob Irving PhD researcher Oxford Inst of Sustainable Development Oxford Brookes University 01865 484201 01285 650281 From clement.marcel at viherio.fr Wed Feb 3 08:36:01 2010 From: clement.marcel at viherio.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Cl=E9ment_MARCEL?=) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:36:01 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] same model gives differents resultas Message-ID: <4B693571.7050803@viherio.fr> Hi all, I've created a simple model with ESP-r that contains : - a rectangular zone (3*5*2.7 m) - an other rectangular zone (2*3*2 m) - bases of zones are connected to a ground profile (profile 1 in ESP) - all others surfaces are defined as exterior, except for two (one surface on zone 1 is connected to zone 2 and vice versa) - all constructions are maded with a 100 mm thickness of insulation material, except ceilings that are a double glazing (transparent construction) - no internal gains, infiltration, ventilation I've created this model with the native windows GTK interface (v 11.7). There are no problems with simulation. I've also created the same model with another software and export it into ESP format. The model exported is exactly the same : - vertices coordinates are the same, - surfaces definitions are the same, - site location, albedo, exposure, ... - CON and TMC files are the sames - window native v 11.7 The only differences are : - for materials db I'm using different version of storage (1.1 for the exported model, no information for the model created manually). - the order of surfaces definitions is not the same Can the second point be an explication of the difference of results ? I observe typically a difference in db temperature of 0.02 ?C for a simulation on 9 1 to 15 1. The order can produce differents matrix for theses models, and perhaps explain theses differences ? or is the solver convergency criteria that can produce theses differences ? or the method used to solve coupled zones ? Regards, Clement Marcel -- *Cl?ment MARCEL* /responsable scientifique et technique/ clement.marcel at viherio.fr Viheri? SARL 22 rue Chateauvert 26000 VALENCE t?l?phone | 0 469 305 202 mobile | 06 69 68 32 72 t?l?copie | 0 469 960 594 web | www.viherio.fr --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ce message et toutes les pi?ces jointes sont confidentiels et ?tablis ? l'intention exclusive de son ou ses destinataires. Toute modification, ?dition, utilisation ou diffusion non autoris?e est interdite. L'?metteur d?cline toute responsabilit? au titre de ce message s'il a ?t? modifi?, d?form?, falsifi?, infect? par un virus ou encore ?dit? ou diffus? sans autorisation. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Actually for two different tools to produce models that simulate this close is brilliant! And temperature differences are only one performance metric out of hundreds. Look for additional confirmation - for example as for a zone and several surface energy balances for both models. How do surface temperatures differ? -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Cl?ment MARCEL [clement.marcel at viherio.fr] Sent: 03 February 2010 08:36 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] same model gives differents resultas Hi all, I've created a simple model with ESP-r that contains : - a rectangular zone (3*5*2.7 m) - an other rectangular zone (2*3*2 m) - bases of zones are connected to a ground profile (profile 1 in ESP) - all others surfaces are defined as exterior, except for two (one surface on zone 1 is connected to zone 2 and vice versa) - all constructions are maded with a 100 mm thickness of insulation material, except ceilings that are a double glazing (transparent construction) - no internal gains, infiltration, ventilation I've created this model with the native windows GTK interface (v 11.7). There are no problems with simulation. I've also created the same model with another software and export it into ESP format. The model exported is exactly the same : - vertices coordinates are the same, - surfaces definitions are the same, - site location, albedo, exposure, ... - CON and TMC files are the sames - window native v 11.7 The only differences are : - for materials db I'm using different version of storage (1.1 for the exported model, no information for the model created manually). - the order of surfaces definitions is not the same Can the second point be an explication of the difference of results ? I observe typically a difference in db temperature of 0.02 ?C for a simulation on 9 1 to 15 1. The order can produce differents matrix for theses models, and perhaps explain theses differences ? or is the solver convergency criteria that can produce theses differences ? or the method used to solve coupled zones ? Regards, Clement Marcel -- Cl?ment MARCEL responsable scientifique et technique clement.marcel at viherio.fr [cid:part1.06020402.06040501 at viherio.fr] 22 rue Chateauvert 26000 VALENCE t?l?phone | 0 469 305 202 mobile | 06 69 68 32 72 t?l?copie | 0 469 960 594 web | www.viherio.fr --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ce message et toutes les pi?ces jointes sont confidentiels et ?tablis ? l'intention exclusive de son ou ses destinataires. Toute modification, ?dition, utilisation ou diffusion non autoris?e est interdite. L'?metteur d?cline toute responsabilit? au titre de ce message s'il a ?t? modifi?, d?form?, falsifi?, infect? par un virus ou encore ?dit? ou diffus? sans autorisation. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From clement.marcel at viherio.fr Wed Feb 3 12:44:32 2010 From: clement.marcel at viherio.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Cl=E9ment_MARCEL?=) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 13:44:32 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: same model gives differents resultas In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A1DC14E8@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <4B693571.7050803@viherio.fr> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A1DC14E8@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4B696FB0.1080802@viherio.fr> Jon, thanks for your response, yes the TMC and CON files differs, but they physically describe the same phenomenon: they say the same things if we put the lignes in a similar order (see attached files). What I want to say about order of definition was : - vertices used was the sames but not defined with the same sequence on definition - surfaces was defined with an other sequence too (and differents vertices numbers in 2 files) you can see the attached GEO files for 1 zone. I observe a 0.02?C mean difference, 0.04?C max difference for temperature for zone 1 I observe no difference for solar absorbed in the zone (just 0.01?C due to 2 decimals output from res module I think) I observe a 1.16 W mean difference for convection on transparent surfaces (for the bigest zone), and 4.32 W for max difference. Concerning surfaces temperarures (on inside face), I observe a mean deviation of 0.03?C and max deviation of 0.11?C (only for the bigest zone). Regards, *Cl?ment MARCEL* /responsable scientifique et technique/ clement.marcel at viherio.fr Viheri? SARL 22 rue Chateauvert 26000 VALENCE t?l?phone | 0 469 305 202 mobile | 06 69 68 32 72 t?l?copie | 0 469 960 594 web | www.viherio.fr --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ce message et toutes les pi?ces jointes sont confidentiels et ?tablis ? l'intention exclusive de son ou ses destinataires. Toute modification, ?dition, utilisation ou diffusion non autoris?e est interdite. L'?metteur d?cline toute responsabilit? au titre de ce message s'il a ?t? modifi?, d?form?, falsifi?, infect? par un virus ou encore ?dit? ou diffus? sans autorisation. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Hand a ?crit : > If the order of the surfaces is different the information in the construction and tmc > files should also probably be different. Could you be more specific about 'order of surface definitions'? > > A difference of 0.02C might just be rounding errors in the simulation. Actually for two different > tools to produce models that simulate this close is brilliant! > > And temperature differences are only one performance metric out of hundreds. Look for > additional confirmation - for example as for a zone and several surface energy > balances for both models. How do surface temperatures differ? > > -Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Cl?ment MARCEL [clement.marcel at viherio.fr] > Sent: 03 February 2010 08:36 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] same model gives differents resultas > > Hi all, > > I've created a simple model with ESP-r that contains : > > - a rectangular zone (3*5*2.7 m) > - an other rectangular zone (2*3*2 m) > - bases of zones are connected to a ground profile (profile 1 in ESP) > - all others surfaces are defined as exterior, except for two (one surface on zone 1 is connected to zone 2 and vice versa) > - all constructions are maded with a 100 mm thickness of insulation material, except ceilings that are a double glazing (transparent construction) > - no internal gains, infiltration, ventilation > > I've created this model with the native windows GTK interface (v 11.7). There are no problems with simulation. > > I've also created the same model with another software and export it into ESP format. The model exported is exactly the same : > > - vertices coordinates are the same, > - surfaces definitions are the same, > - site location, albedo, exposure, ... > - CON and TMC files are the sames > - window native v 11.7 > > The only differences are : > > - for materials db I'm using different version of storage (1.1 for the exported model, no information for the model created manually). > - the order of surfaces definitions is not the same > > Can the second point be an explication of the difference of results ? I observe typically a difference in db temperature of 0.02 ?C for a simulation on 9 1 to 15 1. > The order can produce differents matrix for theses models, and perhaps explain theses differences ? or is the solver convergency criteria that can produce theses differences ? or the method used to solve coupled zones ? > > Regards, > Clement Marcel > > > -- > Cl?ment MARCEL > responsable scientifique et technique > clement.marcel at viherio.fr > > [cid:part1.06020402.06040501 at viherio.fr] > 22 rue Chateauvert > 26000 VALENCE > > t?l?phone | 0 469 305 202 > mobile | 06 69 68 32 72 > t?l?copie | 0 469 960 594 > > web | www.viherio.fr > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ce message et toutes les pi?ces jointes sont confidentiels et ?tablis ? l'intention exclusive de > son ou ses destinataires. Toute modification, ?dition, utilisation ou diffusion non autoris?e > est interdite. 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Februar 2010 14:43 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Optical properties of a translucent glass Dear all, I am looking for the optical properties of a translucent single pane glass ?Does any body knows it? Kind regards, Felipe Dur?n P. Direcci?n de Proyectos Arquitecto PUC, Mphil U. Cambridge From bob.irving at brookes.ac.uk Wed Feb 3 17:01:23 2010 From: bob.irving at brookes.ac.uk (Bob Irving) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 17:01:23 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [esp-r] Re: World turned upside down.... In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A1DC14E5@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <2B29137A-B225-4C32-99B9-5CD5A5E399C2@brookes.ac.uk> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A1DC14E5@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: Thanks, Jon, not so much putting in vertices in the wrong order as allocating the vertex coordinate s from the wrong corner.... > > A model that seems to be upside down.... > > It would be interesting to re-trace the steps that got to this model. > Whether or not > this is possible...the lesson for all is that wire-frame views can tell > lies.... there are > several reports that can help identify whether they are true. > > hint one - turn on the surface normals and look to see that they are > facing towards outside/otherside > > hint two - look at the reported azimuth and elevations in the surface > details report. east is 90 degrees > and south is 180 degrees, floors have an elevation of -90 etc. > > hint three - check these numbers prior to spending time attributing > surfaces - if you have an upside > down world you might just want to delete it and start again. > > hint four - if you are putting in a floor plan extrusion check the order > you put in the X Y edges (they need to > be anti-clockwise looking down). If you put them in clockwise you will > have an inside-out model. > > hint five - mode QA reports are REALLY good for checking models. Create > and print out and > show them to your colleagues - they might spot something and it might take > them only a few minutes. > > -ESRU > > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Bob Irving [bob.irving at brookes.ac.uk] > Sent: 02 February 2010 16:11 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] World turned upside down.... > > Attached is a screen shot of the first zone I have created in a model. > After entering the vertices of the zone, I changed the names and added > constructions for two walls and then did the same for the Base, with the > addition of linking it to the ground. > Returning to the wireframe, I now observe that the Base, renamed to > Bdrm1_floor, is at the top of the drawing and Top-8 is at the bottom. > I've not rotated the drawing at all (honest!) > Please advise! > Bob Irving > PhD researcher > Oxford Inst of Sustainable Development > Oxford Brookes University > > 01865 484201 > 01285 650281 > > Bob Irving Research Student Oxford Inst of Sustainable Development Oxford Brookes University 01865 484201 From nilton.janicas at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 18:13:07 2010 From: nilton.janicas at gmail.com (Nilton Oliveira) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 18:13:07 -0000 Subject: [esp-r] Implement VRF system. Message-ID: <7874F81E99EC44E89DCD40B6689A71F6@NiltonPC> Dear esp-r users I want to simulate a VRF (Variable Refrigerant Flow) central system. This system is coupled to internal units conditioning. I need to use a refrigerant fluid (R-410A), a heat pump, a condensing component, in each internal unit an coil (heating or cooling) and others components like fans ducts, damps, humidity, etc. I've serious problems to implement that because I don't know where is the specific component for the refrigerant fluid, a unique coil for heating or cooling, dependent for the use, heat pump. This systems has three ducts because i have a recovery heat. I apreciate for any responce. Thank you in advance. Nilton Oliveira. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100203/933aca2d/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This approach is working when one wants to assign a temperature distribution per time step for example, but for pressure this seems not possible using the following: Model Management >> Browse/Edit/Simulate >> Model context >> impose measured data >> View/Edit Temporal Entities >> add/delete/copy temporal entry >> add entry >> In "Available TAB types" one can choose which parameter to assign to a model at hand. However, the pressure is not an option! Is there another method to assign measured pressure differences per time step to a system? I hope to hear from you soon. Thanks in advance. Ehsan Baharvand _________________________________________________________________ Het laatste nieuws, shownieuws en voetbalnieuws op MSN.nl http://nl.msn.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Then the solver would resolve the pressures within the rest of the network to reflect the imposed flow rate. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ehsan Baharvand [ehsanbaharvand at hotmail.com] Sent: 04 February 2010 12:36 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r temporal files Dear all, I have the next question with regard to the ESP-r (BES+AFN approach) temporal files. I would like to assign measured pressure differences per time step to an airflow node in my model. Can someone help me with this? This approach is working when one wants to assign a temperature distribution per time step for example, but for pressure this seems not possible using the following: Model Management >> Browse/Edit/Simulate >> Model context >> impose measured data >> View/Edit Temporal Entities >> add/delete/copy temporal entry >> add entry >> In "Available TAB types" one can choose which parameter to assign to a model at hand. However, the pressure is not an option! Is there another method to assign measured pressure differences per time step to a system? I hope to hear from you soon. Thanks in advance. Ehsan Baharvand ________________________________ Voeg je Hyves, Facebook en LinkedIn contacten toe aan Hotmail en Messenger From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Feb 4 16:33:14 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 16:33:14 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Implement VRF system. In-Reply-To: <7874F81E99EC44E89DCD40B6689A71F6@NiltonPC> References: <7874F81E99EC44E89DCD40B6689A71F6@NiltonPC> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A1DC14F0@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A brief review indicates that there are gaps in the current provision of plant components which can deal with VRF. It would be a brilliant PhD topic for someone to extend the treatment of refrigerant based modelling within ESP-r! -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Nilton Oliveira [nilton.janicas at gmail.com] Sent: 03 February 2010 18:13 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Implement VRF system. Dear esp-r users I want to simulate a VRF (Variable Refrigerant Flow) central system. This system is coupled to internal units conditioning. I need to use a refrigerant fluid (R-410A), a heat pump, a condensing component, in each internal unit an coil (heating or cooling) and others components like fans ducts, damps, humidity, etc. I've serious problems to implement that because I don't know where is the specific component for the refrigerant fluid, a unique coil for heating or cooling, dependent for the use, heat pump. This systems has three ducts because i have a recovery heat. I apreciate for any responce. Thank you in advance. Nilton Oliveira. From francesco.frontini at polimi.it Fri Feb 5 09:28:20 2010 From: francesco.frontini at polimi.it (Francesco Frontini) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:28:20 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Window u-value temperature dependency in ESPr Message-ID: Thank you Achim, I downloaded it and looks fine. I already work with this CFC model but I forgot that Bartosz implemented also the temperature dependency of the glazing cavity! Regards Francesco 2010/2/2 > Send esp-r mailing list submissions to > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk > > You can reach the person managing the list at > esp-r-owner at lists.strath.ac.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of esp-r digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Window u-value temperature dependency in ESPr > (Francesco Frontini) > 2. Re: Window u-value temperature dependency in ESPr (Achim Geissler) > 3. World turned upside down.... (Bob Irving) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 14:51:58 +0100 > From: Francesco Frontini > Subject: [esp-r] Window u-value temperature dependency in ESPr > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear ESP-r users, > > I have a question regarding how ESP-r calculates the properties of a glass > unit (for example a double glaze unit with argon gap). > > I red several discussions about the capability of ESP-r of reading and > importing WIS or Window data file, but for me is not clear which kind of > data espr effectively read. > > My knowledge is that, when we specify a glass construction we have to give > the resistances of the air gap between the glass panes (that is a fix > value) > in the construction library and then define the optical properties in the > optic database (ESPr ask for the angle dependence absorptances of the > different panes and the angle dependence transmittance of the different > panes). That?s all! Am I wrong? > > Now comes the question? > > How does ESPr calculates the temperature dependency of the air (or gas) gap > resistance between the panes? It is not possible to define the emissivity > of > both glass pane surfaces? > > > > I know that TRNSYS uses the Window 4 model (but, if I correctly remember, > TRNSYS is not able to consider not standard emissivities for the outer > surfaces). > > > > I have this question because I am modelling a family house room under a > tilted roof. The window is a roof window (like Velux). I think that, for > such cases, it is relevant to model correctly the temperature dependency > (also the wind dependency) of the gas-gap resistance. > > > > Any help is appreciated. > Francesco > > -- > Dr. Francesco Frontini, MEng PhD in Buildings Engineering > > ---------------------------------------- > Fraunhofer Institut f?r Solare Energiesysteme ISE > Heidenhofstr. 2, 79110 Freiburg, Germany > > M1: [+39] 333-3097826 > M2: [+49] (0)1522-1624691 > > Phone: [+49] (0)7614588-5358 > FAX: [+49] (0)7614588-9358 > > @1: francesco.frontini at ise.fraunhofer.de > @2: francesco.frontini at polimi.it > ---------------------------------------- > > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100202/2f046247/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 15:35:58 +0100 > From: "Achim Geissler" > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Window u-value temperature dependency in ESPr > To: "'Francesco Frontini'" , > > Message-ID: <001001caa415$09e37310$1daa5930$@geissler at intergga.ch> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear Francesco > > > > you have it right for the ?traditional? MLC. With this construction type, > the gap resistance is not temperature-dependant. However, as of release > 11.7 > (I think it was), there is a new type called ?CFC? (Complex Fenestration > Constructions?). This type uses the actual emissivity of the surfaces and > calculates temperature-dependant properties for the IGU gap (and has some > other quite handy frills). The underlying model / theory etc. is well > described in Bartosz Lomanowski?s thesis, available at ESRU. > > > > Regards > > Achim > > > > > > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Francesco Frontini > Sent: Dienstag, 2. Februar 2010 14:52 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Window u-value temperature dependency in ESPr > > > > Dear ESP-r users, > > I have a question regarding how ESP-r calculates the properties of a glass > unit (for example a double glaze unit with argon gap). > > I red several discussions about the capability of ESP-r of reading and > importing WIS or Window data file, but for me is not clear which kind of > data espr effectively read. > > My knowledge is that, when we specify a glass construction we have to give > the resistances of the air gap between the glass panes (that is a fix > value) > in the construction library and then define the optical properties in the > optic database (ESPr ask for the angle dependence absorptances of the > different panes and the angle dependence transmittance of the different > panes). That?s all! Am I wrong? > > Now comes the question? > > How does ESPr calculates the temperature dependency of the air (or gas) gap > resistance between the panes? It is not possible to define the emissivity > of > both glass pane surfaces? > > > > I know that TRNSYS uses the Window 4 model (but, if I correctly remember, > TRNSYS is not able to consider not standard emissivities for the outer > surfaces). > > > > I have this question because I am modelling a family house room under a > tilted roof. The window is a roof window (like Velux). I think that, for > such cases, it is relevant to model correctly the temperature dependency > (also the wind dependency) of the gas-gap resistance. > > > > Any help is appreciated. > > Francesco > > -- > Dr. Francesco Frontini, MEng PhD in Buildings Engineering > > ---------------------------------------- > Fraunhofer Institut f?r Solare Energiesysteme ISE > Heidenhofstr. 2, 79110 Freiburg, Germany > > M1: [+39] 333-3097826 > M2: [+49] (0)1522-1624691 > > Phone: [+49] (0)7614588-5358 > FAX: [+49] (0)7614588-9358 > > @1: francesco.frontini at ise.fraunhofer.de > @2: francesco.frontini at polimi.it > ---------------------------------------- > > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100202/1b029b50/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 16:11:27 +0000 > From: Bob Irving > Subject: [esp-r] World turned upside down.... > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Message-ID: <2B29137A-B225-4C32-99B9-5CD5A5E399C2 at brookes.ac.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Attached is a screen shot of the first zone I have created in a model. > After entering the vertices of the zone, I changed the names and added > constructions for two walls and then did the same for the Base, with the > addition of linking it to the ground. > Returning to the wireframe, I now observe that the Base, renamed to > Bdrm1_floor, is at the top of the drawing and Top-8 is at the bottom. > I've not rotated the drawing at all (honest!) > Please advise! > Bob Irving > PhD researcher > Oxford Inst of Sustainable Development > Oxford Brookes University > > 01865 484201 > 01285 650281 > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Screen shot 2010-02-02 at 16.09.04.png > Type: image/png > Size: 26618 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100202/6ce95c74/attachment.png > -------------- next part -------------- > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > End of esp-r Digest, Vol 43, Issue 2 > ************************************ > -- Dr. Francesco Frontini, MEng PhD in Buildings Engineering ---------------------------------------- Fraunhofer Institut f?r Solare Energiesysteme ISE Heidenhofstr. 2, 79110 Freiburg, Germany M1: [+39] 333-3097826 M2: [+49] (0)1522-1624691 Phone: [+49] (0)7614588-5358 FAX: [+49] (0)7614588-9358 @1: francesco.frontini at ise.fraunhofer.de @2: francesco.frontini at polimi.it ---------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100205/96ad588a/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Fri Feb 5 09:53:43 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:53:43 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Window u-value temperature dependency in ESPr In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001b01caa649$1b231d70$51695850$@geissler@intergga.ch> Hi Francesco one aspect that I remembered after the post is that I think the CFCs are restricted to vertical surfaces, for now. As you have a roof window, it may after all not be a solution. However, as one can enter three resistances for a ?normal? TMC and ?the other two? are called heat flux upwards and downwards, it should be a good approximation. However, I have never checked the code if the resistance value chosen is actually a function of the heat flux direction (and would then change for a roof light during run time, usually) or is linked to the ?position? of the surface (i.e. ?ceil? or ?floor?). Regards Achim From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Francesco Frontini Sent: Freitag, 5. Februar 2010 10:28 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Window u-value temperature dependency in ESPr Thank you Achim, I downloaded it and looks fine. I already work with this CFC model but I forgot that Bartosz implemented also the temperature dependency of the glazing cavity! Regards Francesco 2010/2/2 Send esp-r mailing list submissions to esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk You can reach the person managing the list at esp-r-owner at lists.strath.ac.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of esp-r digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Window u-value temperature dependency in ESPr (Francesco Frontini) 2. Re: Window u-value temperature dependency in ESPr (Achim Geissler) 3. World turned upside down.... (Bob Irving) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 14:51:58 +0100 From: Francesco Frontini Subject: [esp-r] Window u-value temperature dependency in ESPr To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear ESP-r users, I have a question regarding how ESP-r calculates the properties of a glass unit (for example a double glaze unit with argon gap). I red several discussions about the capability of ESP-r of reading and importing WIS or Window data file, but for me is not clear which kind of data espr effectively read. My knowledge is that, when we specify a glass construction we have to give the resistances of the air gap between the glass panes (that is a fix value) in the construction library and then define the optical properties in the optic database (ESPr ask for the angle dependence absorptances of the different panes and the angle dependence transmittance of the different panes). That?s all! Am I wrong? Now comes the question? How does ESPr calculates the temperature dependency of the air (or gas) gap resistance between the panes? It is not possible to define the emissivity of both glass pane surfaces? I know that TRNSYS uses the Window 4 model (but, if I correctly remember, TRNSYS is not able to consider not standard emissivities for the outer surfaces). I have this question because I am modelling a family house room under a tilted roof. The window is a roof window (like Velux). I think that, for such cases, it is relevant to model correctly the temperature dependency (also the wind dependency) of the gas-gap resistance. Any help is appreciated. Francesco -- Dr. Francesco Frontini, MEng PhD in Buildings Engineering ---------------------------------------- Fraunhofer Institut f?r Solare Energiesysteme ISE Heidenhofstr. 2, 79110 Freiburg, Germany M1: [+39] 333-3097826 M2: [+49] (0)1522-1624691 Phone: [+49] (0)7614588-5358 FAX: [+49] (0)7614588-9358 @1: francesco.frontini at ise.fraunhofer.de @2: francesco.frontini at polimi.it ---------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100202/2f046247/attac hment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 15:35:58 +0100 From: "Achim Geissler" Subject: [esp-r] Re: Window u-value temperature dependency in ESPr To: "'Francesco Frontini'" , Message-ID: <001001caa415$09e37310$1daa5930$@geissler at intergga.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear Francesco you have it right for the ?traditional? MLC. With this construction type, the gap resistance is not temperature-dependant. However, as of release 11.7 (I think it was), there is a new type called ?CFC? (Complex Fenestration Constructions?). This type uses the actual emissivity of the surfaces and calculates temperature-dependant properties for the IGU gap (and has some other quite handy frills). The underlying model / theory etc. is well described in Bartosz Lomanowski?s thesis, available at ESRU. Regards Achim From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Francesco Frontini Sent: Dienstag, 2. Februar 2010 14:52 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Window u-value temperature dependency in ESPr Dear ESP-r users, I have a question regarding how ESP-r calculates the properties of a glass unit (for example a double glaze unit with argon gap). I red several discussions about the capability of ESP-r of reading and importing WIS or Window data file, but for me is not clear which kind of data espr effectively read. My knowledge is that, when we specify a glass construction we have to give the resistances of the air gap between the glass panes (that is a fix value) in the construction library and then define the optical properties in the optic database (ESPr ask for the angle dependence absorptances of the different panes and the angle dependence transmittance of the different panes). That?s all! Am I wrong? Now comes the question? How does ESPr calculates the temperature dependency of the air (or gas) gap resistance between the panes? It is not possible to define the emissivity of both glass pane surfaces? I know that TRNSYS uses the Window 4 model (but, if I correctly remember, TRNSYS is not able to consider not standard emissivities for the outer surfaces). I have this question because I am modelling a family house room under a tilted roof. The window is a roof window (like Velux). I think that, for such cases, it is relevant to model correctly the temperature dependency (also the wind dependency) of the gas-gap resistance. Any help is appreciated. Francesco -- Dr. Francesco Frontini, MEng PhD in Buildings Engineering ---------------------------------------- Fraunhofer Institut f?r Solare Energiesysteme ISE Heidenhofstr. 2, 79110 Freiburg, Germany M1: [+39] 333-3097826 M2: [+49] (0)1522-1624691 Phone: [+49] (0)7614588-5358 FAX: [+49] (0)7614588-9358 @1: francesco.frontini at ise.fraunhofer.de @2: francesco.frontini at polimi.it ---------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100202/1b029b50/attac hment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 16:11:27 +0000 From: Bob Irving Subject: [esp-r] World turned upside down.... To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Message-ID: <2B29137A-B225-4C32-99B9-5CD5A5E399C2 at brookes.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Attached is a screen shot of the first zone I have created in a model. After entering the vertices of the zone, I changed the names and added constructions for two walls and then did the same for the Base, with the addition of linking it to the ground. Returning to the wireframe, I now observe that the Base, renamed to Bdrm1_floor, is at the top of the drawing and Top-8 is at the bottom. I've not rotated the drawing at all (honest!) 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Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100205/222b7281/attachment-0001.html From sadeghipour at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 12:37:29 2010 From: sadeghipour at gmail.com (Mostapha Sadeghipour) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 16:07:29 +0330 Subject: [esp-r] Bi-directional Airflow Component for Vertical Air Exchange Message-ID: Thank you Jon for your answer to my previous question. Here is the next question(s). :^) I read several emails in esp-r 2006 emails archive related to using the *bi-directional door component in horizontal surfaces for vertical air exchange *(here). Many posters stated that door component is *defined for vertical surfaces* and using this component *in horizontal positions *is *out of theoretical scope*of the model, and thus the result would be *meaningless*. In contrary, the same idea is mentioned in Esp-r FAQs, under the *fictious surfaces and zone subdivision*as a suggestion: > "Occasionally it is necessary to divide a large space into several thermal > zones. *A typical example of this is an atrium* or other high space with > an air temperature gradient such that the perfectly mixed zone approach is > not applicable...The flow across the opening as represented by this > fictitious construction can be described by either scheduled air flows or by > setting up a network flow (*often a door component is a good choice to > allow bi-directional flow*)." Then, which one is true? Use the bi-directional door component for vertical air exchange or not? If the answer to the question 1 is "NO", then how to define a bi-directional component for vertical air exchange? Is there a bi-directional horizontal airflow component available now? Thanks in advance, Mostapha Sadeghipour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100207/07aa0915/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Feb 8 07:49:49 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 07:49:49 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Bi-directional Airflow Component for Vertical Air Exchange In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A1DC1500@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> The bi-directional component is based on experiments with doors and the equations are specific to an opening in a vertical surface. The quote about bi-directional components in atria is in the context of side-to-side flow within the atria. Vertical flow is usually represented by one of the single direction flow components. Thus to get two way flow we have to define two separate paths. One approach is to create a small vertical by-pass zone at one corner of an atria and connect be top and base so that (cold down-drafts can be accommodated for example). Perhaps it is time to include an exemplar model which demonstrates sub-division of large spaces. The ESP-r community would love to have a component that represented bi-directional flow in horizontal openings. Anyone know of one or has an interest in creating such a component? -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mostapha Sadeghipour [sadeghipour at gmail.com] Sent: 07 February 2010 12:37 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Bi-directional Airflow Component for Vertical Air Exchange Thank you Jon for your answer to my previous question. Here is the next question(s). :^) I read several emails in esp-r 2006 emails archive related to using the bi-directional door component in horizontal surfaces for vertical air exchange (here). Many posters stated that door component is defined for vertical surfaces and using this component in horizontal positions is out of theoretical scope of the model, and thus the result would be meaningless. In contrary, the same idea is mentioned in Esp-r FAQs, under the fictious surfaces and zone subdivision as a suggestion: "Occasionally it is necessary to divide a large space into several thermal zones. A typical example of this is an atrium or other high space with an air temperature gradient such that the perfectly mixed zone approach is not applicable...The flow across the opening as represented by this fictitious construction can be described by either scheduled air flows or by setting up a network flow (often a door component is a good choice to allow bi-directional flow)." Then, which one is true? Use the bi-directional door component for vertical air exchange or not? If the answer to the question 1 is "NO", then how to define a bi-directional component for vertical air exchange? Is there a bi-directional horizontal airflow component available now? Thanks in advance, Mostapha Sadeghipour From francesco.frontini at polimi.it Mon Feb 8 08:40:12 2010 From: francesco.frontini at polimi.it (Francesco Frontini) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 09:40:12 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Window u-value temperature dependency in ESPr Message-ID: Dear Achim and group, thank for the information, but sorry for the question: what do you mean with: "...the other two are called heat flux upwards and downwards, it should be a good approximation" what are these values? I normally define the same value for all the three resistances? I also saw that it is possible to define (in the constructions menu) "non-linear properties" with a "thermal configurations file". Do you have any idea of that? Maybe I can define a polynomial function for the temperature dependence of the resistance. But I am not sure! Thank you very much in advance Francesco -- Dr. Francesco Frontini, MEng PhD in Buildings Engineering ---------------------------------------- Fraunhofer Institut f?r Solare Energiesysteme ISE Heidenhofstr. 2, 79110 Freiburg, Germany M1: [+39] 333-3097826 M2: [+49] (0)1522-1624691 Phone: [+49] (0)7614588-5358 FAX: [+49] (0)7614588-9358 @1: francesco.frontini at ise.fraunhofer.de @2: francesco.frontini at polimi.it ---------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100208/18df3355/attachment.html From jeremy at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Feb 8 10:30:20 2010 From: jeremy at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jeremy Cockroft) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 10:30:20 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Bi-directional Airflow Component for Vertical Air Exchange In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A1DC1500@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: , <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A1DC1500@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <6603B7AA41177F4197EC5DB20D73FC7FE12B35B1FE@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> The bi-directional flow component only works for openings in vertical surfaces between internal spaces. It takes into account the combined effect of zone pressure differences and bouyancy caused by temperature differences. It should not be applied to represent, e.g. an open window, because the external wind turbulence effects, which are likely to predominate, are not represented. It is unlikely to give correct results for flow between arbitrarily defined nodes in a space (like an atrium) because the flow is not constrained to pass through a physical opening. It certainly should not be used to represent a horizontal opening. Jeremy ESRU ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jon Hand [jon at esru.strath.ac.uk] Sent: 08 February 2010 07:49 To: Mostapha Sadeghipour; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Bi-directional Airflow Component for Vertical Air Exchange The bi-directional component is based on experiments with doors and the equations are specific to an opening in a vertical surface. The quote about bi-directional components in atria is in the context of side-to-side flow within the atria. Vertical flow is usually represented by one of the single direction flow components. Thus to get two way flow we have to define two separate paths. One approach is to create a small vertical by-pass zone at one corner of an atria and connect be top and base so that (cold down-drafts can be accommodated for example). Perhaps it is time to include an exemplar model which demonstrates sub-division of large spaces. The ESP-r community would love to have a component that represented bi-directional flow in horizontal openings. Anyone know of one or has an interest in creating such a component? -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mostapha Sadeghipour [sadeghipour at gmail.com] Sent: 07 February 2010 12:37 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Bi-directional Airflow Component for Vertical Air Exchange Thank you Jon for your answer to my previous question. Here is the next question(s). :^) I read several emails in esp-r 2006 emails archive related to using the bi-directional door component in horizontal surfaces for vertical air exchange (here). Many posters stated that door component is defined for vertical surfaces and using this component in horizontal positions is out of theoretical scope of the model, and thus the result would be meaningless. In contrary, the same idea is mentioned in Esp-r FAQs, under the fictious surfaces and zone subdivision as a suggestion: "Occasionally it is necessary to divide a large space into several thermal zones. A typical example of this is an atrium or other high space with an air temperature gradient such that the perfectly mixed zone approach is not applicable...The flow across the opening as represented by this fictitious construction can be described by either scheduled air flows or by setting up a network flow (often a door component is a good choice to allow bi-directional flow)." Then, which one is true? Use the bi-directional door component for vertical air exchange or not? If the answer to the question 1 is "NO", then how to define a bi-directional component for vertical air exchange? Is there a bi-directional horizontal airflow component available now? Thanks in advance, Mostapha Sadeghipour _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk Mon Feb 8 10:47:25 2010 From: aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk (Aizaz Samuel) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 10:47:25 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Bi-directional Airflow Component for Vertical Air Exchange In-Reply-To: <6603B7AA41177F4197EC5DB20D73FC7FE12B35B1FE@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A1DC1500@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> <6603B7AA41177F4197EC5DB20D73FC7FE12B35B1FE@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <201002081047.25820.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> The best approach currently available to adequately represent vertical air exchange is to put in a CFD domain for the zone of interest. There should be an exemplar present for this in the cellular offices model suite (cellular offices with double skin facade). Another approach would be to represent the atrium (or zone of interest) by a number of smaller zones separated by fictitous surfaces. This is roughly equivalent to the subzonal method of air exchange and has its own set of associated issues. -Aizaz On Monday 08 February 2010 10:30, Jeremy Cockroft wrote: > The bi-directional flow component only works for openings in vertical > surfaces between internal spaces. It takes into account the combined > effect of zone pressure differences and bouyancy caused by temperature > differences. It should not be applied to represent, e.g. an open window, > because the external wind turbulence effects, which are likely to > predominate, are not represented. It is unlikely to give correct results > for flow between arbitrarily defined nodes in a space (like an atrium) > because the flow is not constrained to pass through a physical opening. It > certainly should not be used to represent a horizontal opening. > > Jeremy > ESRU > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Jon Hand [jon at esru.strath.ac.uk] Sent: 08 February 2010 07:49 > To: Mostapha Sadeghipour; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Bi-directional Airflow Component for Vertical Air > Exchange > > The bi-directional component is based on experiments with doors and the > equations are specific to an opening in a vertical surface. The quote > about bi-directional components in atria is in the context of side-to-side > flow within the atria. > > Vertical flow is usually represented by one of the single direction flow > components. Thus to get two way flow we have to define two separate paths. > One approach is to create a small vertical by-pass zone at one corner of > an atria and connect be top and base so that (cold down-drafts can be > accommodated for example). Perhaps it is time to include an exemplar model > which demonstrates sub-division of large spaces. > > The ESP-r community would love to have a component that represented > bi-directional flow in horizontal openings. Anyone know of one or has an > interest in creating such a component? > > -Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Mostapha Sadeghipour [sadeghipour at gmail.com] Sent: 07 February > 2010 12:37 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Bi-directional Airflow Component for Vertical Air Exchange > > Thank you Jon for your answer to my previous question. Here is the next > question(s). :^) > > I read several emails in esp-r 2006 emails archive related to using the > bi-directional door component in horizontal surfaces for vertical air > exchange > (here). Many > posters stated that door component is defined for vertical surfaces and > using this component in horizontal positions is out of theoretical scope of > the model, and thus the result would be meaningless. > > In contrary, the same idea is mentioned in Esp-r FAQs, under the fictious > surfaces and zone > subdivision > as a suggestion: "Occasionally it is necessary to divide a large space into > several thermal zones. A typical example of this is an atrium or other high > space with an air temperature gradient such that the perfectly mixed zone > approach is not applicable...The flow across the opening as represented by > this fictitious construction can be described by either scheduled air flows > or by setting up a network flow (often a door component is a good choice to > allow bi-directional flow)." > > Then, which one is true? Use the bi-directional door component for vertical > air exchange or not? > > If the answer to the question 1 is "NO", then how to define a > bi-directional component for vertical air exchange? Is there a > bi-directional horizontal airflow component available now? > > Thanks in advance, > > Mostapha Sadeghipour > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From sadeghipour at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 19:40:54 2010 From: sadeghipour at gmail.com (Mostapha Sadeghipour) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 23:10:54 +0330 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Bi-directional Airflow Component for Vertical Air Exchange In-Reply-To: <201002081047.25820.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> References: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A1DC1500@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> <6603B7AA41177F4197EC5DB20D73FC7FE12B35B1FE@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> <201002081047.25820.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: Thank you all for your comments. I concluded that the best currently available and practical way for me is to add bypass zones to my model. However, I wonder if someone can share an exemplar atrium model to the group? :^) Best regards, Mostapha Sadeghipour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100208/9e0dcb73/attachment.html From joe at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Feb 9 15:52:02 2010 From: joe at esru.strath.ac.uk (Joe Clarke) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:52:02 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] lecturer post Message-ID: <4B7184A2.9040507@esru.strath.ac.uk> Dear All Please note that ESRU is currently advertising for a lecturer. The details can be found at http://www.jobs.ac.uk/job/AAP301/lecturer-energy-systems/. Regards, Joe -- Professor J A Clarke email: joe at esru.strath.ac.uk ESRU, Dept. of Mechanical Eng. phone: +44 141 548 3986 University of Strathclyde fax: +44 141 552 5105 Glasgow G1 1XJ, UK http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/ From chris at zed-uk.com Tue Feb 9 16:39:52 2010 From: chris at zed-uk.com (Chris Yates) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:39:52 -0000 Subject: [esp-r] bulk air flow network Message-ID: <000701caa9a6$80e07760$82a16620$@com> This is just for reference at present, so I'm not hoping for anything more than a quick yes or no: In the interests of speed, is it possible to tell ESP-r which objects take part in the bulk air flow network apart from those you don't want to. I'm spending hours with the simulation program that dare not speak its name running a bulk flow network. Probably 20% of the openings have bulk flow characteristics but I think macroflo calculates every one of them - even when everything is set to zero for that opening. It'd be nice to pick and choose which ones you want calculated. Thanks Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100209/c58d944b/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Feb 9 16:56:23 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:56:23 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: bulk air flow network In-Reply-To: <000701caa9a6$80e07760$82a16620$@com> References: <000701caa9a6$80e07760$82a16620$@com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A1DC1516@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> In ESP-r you define the network to be as simple (at least 3 nodes) or complex (well more than 200 nodes will probably fry your brain) as you want. If there is no air flow path between two zone then there is no need to describe such a path. Indeed it would be perverse to create such a link. For example, if you have more than one building in your model you would create a single flow network that included the flow paths in the two buildings even though there is no direct link between them. If there is a floor slab that blocks flow then there is no need to link the two levels. And, if there are several different types of flow between two zones - say a door and a crack and a grill then your network would have three paths for that part of the model. Usually the computation resource is not noticable (it is super efficient). But if you have some large openings and some very small ones you might want to use a shorter timestep (one or two minutes). There are one or two people who like to turn on iteration between the zone and flow solver which does bog things down but most users run the zone and flow solvers 1:1. There is a caviat - if you have 20 thermal zones, one almost always has a flow node for each zone. Mixing some zones with scheduled air flow and others within a flow network tends to confuse things. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Chris Yates [chris at zed-uk.com] Sent: 09 February 2010 16:39 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] bulk air flow network This is just for reference at present, so I?m not hoping for anything more than a quick yes or no: In the interests of speed, is it possible to tell ESP-r which objects take part in the bulk air flow network apart from those you don?t want to. I?m spending hours with the simulation program that dare not speak its name running a bulk flow network. Probably 20% of the openings have bulk flow characteristics but I think macroflo calculates every one of them ? even when everything is set to zero for that opening. It?d be nice to pick and choose which ones you want calculated. Thanks Chris From mcarchbud at wp.pl Thu Feb 11 08:21:10 2010 From: mcarchbud at wp.pl (Maciej Cichy) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:21:10 +1300 Subject: [esp-r] Virtual Wind Tunnel for Urban Settings Message-ID: <000801caaaf3$2ce2b3f0$86a81bd0$@pl> Hi, Could anyone please help and advise, if it is possible to create a virtual wind tunnel in ESP-r to investigate wind patterns in urban environment? And if not, what would be the best software alternative? I would like to investigate wind energy production potential for various high rise buildings forms in various urban settings. This is for a part of PhD research that focuses on design of 'sustainable' tall buildings. I've read few articles by J.A. ClarkeI, I.Beausoleil-Morrison and P.A. Strachan (within others) and I browsed through the support group archived emails. From this I understand that ESP-r does CFD for a single internal zone connected to an air flow network. However ESP-r website shows case studies for air contaminant dispersal in urban environment. Is this done in such a way that an urban site is modelled inside a single zone. And the zone has boundary conditions set up in a specific way? If the air flow analyses cannot be done in ESP-r general release I thought about using OpenFoam, if there is already a solver for wind modelling in urban settings. I've also thought about using DesignBuilder CFD as the last resort. Regards Maciej Cichy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From this I understand that ESP-r does CFD for a single internal zone connected to an air flow network. However ESP-r website shows case studies for air contaminant dispersal in urban environment. Is this done in such a way that an urban site is modelled inside a single zone. And the zone has boundary conditions set up in a specific way? If the air flow analyses cannot be done in ESP-r general release I thought about using OpenFoam, if there is already a solver for wind modelling in urban settings. I've also thought about using DesignBuilder CFD as the last resort. Regards Maciej Cichy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100211/4a84a0d0/attachment.html From hwan at dasskorea.com Tue Feb 16 06:34:38 2010 From: hwan at dasskorea.com (=?EUC-KR?B?sei5zsiv?=) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:34:38 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] sensing temperature of PV cell in example model Message-ID: Hi all I'm trying to sense temperature of PV cell, using example model in a category *technical features > with photovoltaic-integrated facade*. *PV_constr *consists of 3mm low-iron glass + 3mm EVA + 3mm low-iron glass + 20mm air gap + 4mm grey coted aluminum + 80mm glass fibre quilt + 4mm grey coted aluminum. According to a diagram that I got, it seems that PV cell is located btw layer 1and 2. (3mm low-iron glass and 3mm EVA) In this case, what layer should I sense in order to find out temperature difference of PV cell? Your comments will be appreciated. Thank you in advance. Regards Mark Kim -- Researcher, Integrated Simulation Team, DASS consultants Ltd. 632-9 Guui 1(il)-dong Gwangjin-gu Seoul (143-834 Korea) T. 82.2.913.2585/ F. 82.2.949.2585/ H. www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100216/7ab17503/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Tue Feb 16 08:12:59 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:12:59 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: sensing temperature of PV cell in example model In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000601caaedf$db85a7b0$9290f710$@geissler@intergga.ch> Hi Mark the outside surface of a MLC is node1, each layer has 3 nodes. Where two layers touch, only one node is defined. So node3 is the boundary between 3mm low iron glass and EVA and node4 should give you the centre-of-EVA- layer temperature (assuming you gave the layer setup from outside to inside). Be sure to choose the correct run-mode so that layer temperatures are written to res (don?t know if 3 or 4 off the top of my head) or use xml- output. Regards Achim From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r- bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? Sent: Dienstag, 16. Februar 2010 07:35 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] sensing temperature of PV cell in example model Hi all I'm trying to sense temperature of PV cell, using example model in a category technical features > with photovoltaic-integrated facade. PV_constr consists of 3mm low-iron glass + 3mm EVA + 3mm low-iron glass + 20mm air gap + 4mm grey coted aluminum + 80mm glass fibre quilt + 4mm grey coted aluminum. According to a diagram that I got, it seems that PV cell is located btw layer 1and 2. (3mm low-iron glass and 3mm EVA) In this case, what layer should I sense in order to find out temperature difference of PV cell? Your comments will be appreciated. Thank you in advance. Regards Mark Kim -- Researcher, Integrated Simulation Team, DASS consultants Ltd. 632-9 Guui 1(il)-dong Gwangjin-gu Seoul (143-834 Korea) T. 82.2.913.2585/ F. 82.2.949.2585/ H. www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100216/d5e815e3/attachment.html From francesco.frontini at polimi.it Tue Feb 16 10:28:51 2010 From: francesco.frontini at polimi.it (Francesco Frontini) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:28:51 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r installation on 64bit Linux machine Message-ID: Dear all, at our Institute we have to install ESP-r on a 64bit Debian computers. Does anyone compile it on a 64bit computer? We had some problem with the gcc compiler. We tried to use the gcc 4.3 and the gcc 4.1.2. With the first one seems to work (only a small problem when we try to save the model as a gif image) with the second one, the gcc 4.1.2 (suggested in the Readme file), espr doesn't work! Any idea on that? Any help is appreciated Francesco -- Dr. Francesco Frontini, MEng PhD in Buildings Engineering ---------------------------------------- Fraunhofer Institut f?r Solare Energiesysteme ISE Heidenhofstr. 2, 79110 Freiburg, Germany M1: [+39] 333-3097826 M2: [+49] (0)1522-1624691 Phone: [+49] (0)7614588-5358 FAX: [+49] (0)7614588-9358 @1: francesco.frontini at ise.fraunhofer.de @2: francesco.frontini at polimi.it ---------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Could anyone offer some advice on how I might fix this issue? regards, Alex Mitchell From jacobs.axel at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 19:18:46 2010 From: jacobs.axel at gmail.com (Axel Jacobs) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:18:46 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: ESP-r installation on 64bit Linux machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B7AEF96.3060509@gmail.com> > at our Institute we have to install ESP-r on a 64bit Debian computers. > Does anyone compile it on a 64bit computer? > We had some problem with the gcc compiler. We tried to use the > gcc 4.3 and the gcc 4.1.2. > With the first one seems to work (only a small problem when we > try to save the model as a gif image) with the second one, > the gcc 4.1.2 (suggested in the Readme file), espr doesn't > work! > Any idea on that? I'm using ESP-r on a 64bit Fedora box with GCC 4.4 No problems. I believe the install script had to be called with --gcc4 (or something similar) until recently, but this should be the default now. Can you be more specific about your problems? Also: Have you checked your .esprc file? If you install as root, it won't be copied to your home directory Axel From francesco.frontini at polimi.it Thu Feb 18 10:07:53 2010 From: francesco.frontini at polimi.it (Francesco Frontini) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:07:53 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: ESP-r installation on 64bit Linux machine Message-ID: Dear Axel, dear all, sorry for the short explanation. I paste here the e-mail I sent to Jon yesterday and his answers. We (at ISE) tried several configurations. Actually we installed the ESP-r version 11.8 on a Debian machine with 64bits. We compile it both with the suggested library gcc4.1.2 and the gcc4.3. In both cases we have problems. The problems are: 1) When I go into "composition", "construction materials", and I click on one surface composition (for example "external wall") I can not see in the graphical interface the description of the different layer that compose the construction I selected (I have a line of several squares). But I have to say that in the ".con" file I have the correct values for thickness, conductivity, density ecc.. The problem seem to be in the graphical interface. "Jon answer: The construction materials has probably already been fixed but has not yet made it into the development_branch (hopefully any day now)." 2) When I open the ".cfg" file I am not able to click on the "image control" to change the view point (nothing happens) and the same I can not "capture" the picture of the model (something fails after 2 seconds and the interface closed). 3) Last problem is in the *DATABASES description. I don't know why but Esp "automatically" inserts in the ".cfg" file of my model a new line in the *DATABASES list. The line is the following: *mscldb /usr/local/esru/esp-r/ databases/mscomp.db1 I never see this file and I also do not need it (I guess). But if I leave it I receive this massage: "Unknown entry format... *DATABASES I can click on "continue" and aswer yes to continue reading the configuration. Now, if a delete it everything works good. But ESP-r after a change in the model try to create this "*mscldb" link again. We also try to install the ESP-r version 11.7 (using gcc4.3). We had again the problem number 2) but not the problem number 1). Moreover we have the following problem: 4) When we enter in the "database maintainance", "optical properties", "browse/edit" and than I click on a Optical property set I received strange lines instead of the correct graphs representing the Direct transmission, the reflection and the absorption of the optical set. "JON answer: The drawing of the optical properties is also probably a 64 bit issue that you are the first to notice." I think it is all. I hope that you can understand what I wrote and that you can help us solving this problem. Please let me know if something is unclear. Best regards Francesco -- Dr. Francesco Frontini, MEng PhD in Buildings Engineering ---------------------------------------- Fraunhofer Institut f?r Solare Energiesysteme ISE Heidenhofstr. 2, 79110 Freiburg, Germany M1: [+39] 333-3097826 M2: [+49] (0)1522-1624691 Phone: [+49] (0)7614588-5358 FAX: [+49] (0)7614588-9358 @1: francesco.frontini at ise.fraunhofer.de @2: francesco.frontini at polimi.it ---------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100218/9ef965b0/attachment.html From manzan at units.it Fri Feb 19 08:17:46 2010 From: manzan at units.it (Marco Manzan) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:17:46 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: ESP-r installation on 64bit Linux machine (Francesco Frontini) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201002190917.46565.manzan@units.it> > 1. Re: ESP-r installation on 64bit Linux machine (Francesco Frontini) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:07:53 +0100 > From: Francesco Frontini > Subject: [esp-r] Re: ESP-r installation on 64bit Linux machine > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear Axel, dear all, > sorry for the short explanation. > I paste here the e-mail I sent to Jon yesterday and his answers. > > > We (at ISE) tried several configurations. > > Actually we installed the ESP-r version 11.8 on a Debian machine with > 64bits. > We compile it both with the suggested library gcc4.1.2 and the gcc4.3. In > both cases we have problems. > > The problems are: > > 1) When I go into "composition", "construction materials", and I click on > one surface composition (for example "external wall") I can not see in the > graphical interface the description of the different layer that compose the > construction I selected (I have a line of several squares). But I have to > say that in the ".con" file I have the correct values for thickness, > conductivity, density ecc.. The problem seem to be in the graphical > interface. > > "Jon answer: The construction materials has probably already been fixed but > has not yet made it into the development_branch (hopefully any day now)." > > 2) When I open the ".cfg" file I am not able to click on the "image > control" to change the view point (nothing happens) and the same I can not > "capture" the picture of the model (something fails after 2 seconds and the > interface closed). > > 3) Last problem is in the *DATABASES description. I don't know why but Esp > "automatically" inserts in the ".cfg" file of my model a new line in the > *DATABASES list. The line is the following: > > *mscldb /usr/local/esru/esp-r/ > databases/mscomp.db1 > > I never see this file and I also do not need it (I guess). But if I leave > it I receive this massage: > "Unknown entry format... > *DATABASES > > I can click on "continue" and aswer yes to continue reading the > configuration. > > Now, if a delete it everything works good. But ESP-r after a change in the > model try to create this "*mscldb" link again. > > > We also try to install the ESP-r version 11.7 (using gcc4.3). > > We had again the problem number 2) but not the problem number 1). Moreover > we have the following problem: > > 4) When we enter in the "database maintainance", "optical properties", > "browse/edit" and than I click on a Optical property set I received strange > lines instead of the correct graphs representing the Direct transmission, > the reflection and the absorption of the optical set. > > "JON answer: The drawing of the optical properties is also probably a 64 > bit issue that you are the first to notice." > > > I think it is all. I hope that you can understand what I wrote and that you > can help us solving this problem. > Please let me know if something is unclear. > Best regards > > Francesco I experienced the same problems with esp-r on a ubuntu 8.04. And I think it is due to GTK library problems on amd64. Now I compile esp-r on a 32 bit machine and use it on the 64 bit workstation. The X11 version compiles without problems on amd64 so actually I'm using the 32bit version for prj and X11 64 bit version for bps, this not a problem since I'm using the program mainly in scripts with text front end. I have problems with the GTK version in cygwin 1.7 too. prj starts correctly but when I try to open a project it ends with Segmentation fault (core dumped) again the X11 version works just fine. By the way I'm using esp-r version 11.8 but similar probles occour with previous versions too. Best regards Marco -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria Navale, del Mare e per l'Ambiente | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Feb 19 09:14:55 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:14:55 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: ESP-r installation on 64bit Linux machine (Francesco Frontini) In-Reply-To: <201002190917.46565.manzan@units.it> References: , <201002190917.46565.manzan@units.it> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A379E239@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Some work-arounds for 64 bit. Below there is mention of a 32 bit version of prj and a 64 bit version of the simulator. Remember that the assumed size of real numbers 'may' be different - I would suggest to also use a 32 bit version of the simulator if, for example shading was calculated with a 32 bit version of ish. It would be helpful to try running prj from within a debug environement such as DDD on Cygwin so that it might be possible to isolate the cause of the crash. I regularly compile Cygwin on 32 bit (Windows 32 bit even on a 64 bit machine) and it rarely faults when opening up a project. I have not tried cygwin on a 64 bit version of windows so I cannot confirm if it is sensitive. Note that if you are compiling on Cygwin with the GCC 4 series that it is, in many cases more sensitive than the older g77 compiler on Cygwin. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Marco Manzan [manzan at units.it] Sent: 19 February 2010 08:17 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: ESP-r installation on 64bit Linux machine (Francesco Frontini) > 1. Re: ESP-r installation on 64bit Linux machine (Francesco Frontini) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:07:53 +0100 > From: Francesco Frontini > Subject: [esp-r] Re: ESP-r installation on 64bit Linux machine > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear Axel, dear all, > sorry for the short explanation. > I paste here the e-mail I sent to Jon yesterday and his answers. > > > We (at ISE) tried several configurations. > > Actually we installed the ESP-r version 11.8 on a Debian machine with > 64bits. > We compile it both with the suggested library gcc4.1.2 and the gcc4.3. In > both cases we have problems. > > The problems are: > > 1) When I go into "composition", "construction materials", and I click on > one surface composition (for example "external wall") I can not see in the > graphical interface the description of the different layer that compose the > construction I selected (I have a line of several squares). But I have to > say that in the ".con" file I have the correct values for thickness, > conductivity, density ecc.. The problem seem to be in the graphical > interface. > > "Jon answer: The construction materials has probably already been fixed but > has not yet made it into the development_branch (hopefully any day now)." > > 2) When I open the ".cfg" file I am not able to click on the "image > control" to change the view point (nothing happens) and the same I can not > "capture" the picture of the model (something fails after 2 seconds and the > interface closed). > > 3) Last problem is in the *DATABASES description. I don't know why but Esp > "automatically" inserts in the ".cfg" file of my model a new line in the > *DATABASES list. The line is the following: > > *mscldb /usr/local/esru/esp-r/ > databases/mscomp.db1 > > I never see this file and I also do not need it (I guess). But if I leave > it I receive this massage: > "Unknown entry format... > *DATABASES > > I can click on "continue" and aswer yes to continue reading the > configuration. > > Now, if a delete it everything works good. But ESP-r after a change in the > model try to create this "*mscldb" link again. > > > We also try to install the ESP-r version 11.7 (using gcc4.3). > > We had again the problem number 2) but not the problem number 1). Moreover > we have the following problem: > > 4) When we enter in the "database maintainance", "optical properties", > "browse/edit" and than I click on a Optical property set I received strange > lines instead of the correct graphs representing the Direct transmission, > the reflection and the absorption of the optical set. > > "JON answer: The drawing of the optical properties is also probably a 64 > bit issue that you are the first to notice." > > > I think it is all. I hope that you can understand what I wrote and that you > can help us solving this problem. > Please let me know if something is unclear. > Best regards > > Francesco I experienced the same problems with esp-r on a ubuntu 8.04. And I think it is due to GTK library problems on amd64. Now I compile esp-r on a 32 bit machine and use it on the 64 bit workstation. The X11 version compiles without problems on amd64 so actually I'm using the 32bit version for prj and X11 64 bit version for bps, this not a problem since I'm using the program mainly in scripts with text front end. I have problems with the GTK version in cygwin 1.7 too. prj starts correctly but when I try to open a project it ends with Segmentation fault (core dumped) again the X11 version works just fine. By the way I'm using esp-r version 11.8 but similar probles occour with previous versions too. Best regards Marco -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria Navale, del Mare e per l'Ambiente | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From manzan at units.it Fri Feb 19 09:30:55 2010 From: manzan at units.it (Marco Manzan) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:30:55 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?ESP-r_installation_on_64bit_Linux_machine_=28_?= =?iso-8859-1?q?Francesco=09Frontini_=29?= In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A379E239@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <201002190917.46565.manzan@units.it> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A379E239@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <201002191030.55660.manzan@units.it> Alle venerd? 19 febbraio 2010, Jon Hand ha scritto: > > I experienced the same problems with esp-r on a ubuntu 8.04. And I think it > is due to GTK library problems on amd64. Now I compile esp-r on a 32 bit > machine and use it on the 64 bit workstation. The X11 version compiles > without problems on amd64 so actually I'm using the 32bit version for prj > and X11 64 bit version for bps, this not a problem since I'm using the > program mainly in scripts with text front end. > I have problems with the GTK version in cygwin 1.7 too. prj starts > correctly but when I try to open a project it ends with > Segmentation fault (core dumped) > again the X11 version works just fine. > By the way I'm using esp-r version 11.8 but similar probles occour with > previous versions too. > > Best regards > > Marco > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > > |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | > |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | > |Dipartimento di Ingegneria Navale, del Mare e per l'Ambiente | > |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | > |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | > |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r thank you for your answer. for the amd64 issue you are right, I'm using only the 32 bit version for prj and 64bit version for ish. For the cygwin problem I'm getting core dumps on 32bit machine. It occurs on new cygwin 1.7 on cygwin 1.5 it runs without any flaw. best regards Marco -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria Navale, del Mare e per l'Ambiente | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Sun Feb 21 23:18:21 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:18:21 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Feedback control In-Reply-To: <769816CA134B044B8E32CDC61489B4D371FECD@moappsvr5.wesm.ph> References: <769816CA134B044B8E32CDC61489B4D371FECD@moappsvr5.wesm.ph> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A379E242@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Could we get some further clarification on the question.... Is this relating to PID applied to ideal zone controls, to mass flow components or two system components? PID is implemented separately for each of these and, indeed some instances of system components may have feedback and others may not. Tell us more about the specific case. And tell us more about your definition of 'feedback' (control engineers and simulation groups sometimes have different definitions of this term). And be aware that the source code is open to look at and you may be able to determine from the relevant source. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Michael Dan B. Usman [mdbusman at wesm.ph] Sent: 16 February 2010 15:13 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Feedback control I just downloaded the new version of espr.. And I would just like to know if the PID control action has feedback loop within it? And which of the other control actions have feedback built in it. Thanks a lot! From paul at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Feb 22 15:35:23 2010 From: paul at esru.strath.ac.uk (Paul Strachan) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:35:23 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r Introductory Course Message-ID: <4B82A43B.30209@esru.strath.ac.uk> The next Introductory ESP-r course will be held at the University of Strathclyde from 6th to 8th April. Details are at www.esru.strath.ac.uk/training.htm Regards ESRU From David.Tang at owenscorning.com Wed Feb 24 08:49:45 2010 From: David.Tang at owenscorning.com (Tang, David) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:49:45 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] esp-r common In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EEC892BB@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EEC892BB@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <75C7116929E8744596D1F206448AEB1D203CFF4E51@APHS7200.ap.corp.owenscorning.com> Can any one tell the meanings of the following variables in common/P2CTL/ ACIL(MCOM) ACVL(MCOM) IVL(MCOM) TAL(MCOM) ACIU(MCOM) ACVU(MCOM) IVU(MCOM) TAU(MCOM) Thanks in advance. -dechao The information contained in this communication and its attachment(s) is intended only for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or exempt from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify postmaster at owenscorning.com and delete the communication without retaining any copies. Thank you. Translations available: http://www.owenscorning.com/emailfooter.html From nilton.janicas at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 11:14:38 2010 From: nilton.janicas at gmail.com (Nilton Oliveira) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:14:38 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Electrical network and network flow. Message-ID: <2f1e4e481002240314r1e2017e0t1b9d1cbc79e52082@mail.gmail.com> Dear users I've a model with 70 nodes and i need more 70 nodes. My question is where i defined the number for more nodes in the source code? Other question. Anyone have tutorials or some example to implement a electrical network. I just want to know the electricity comsumption for my supply fan. 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100225/f887cb04/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Feb 24 21:02:22 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:02:22 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Electrical network and network flow. In-Reply-To: <2f1e4e481002240314r1e2017e0t1b9d1cbc79e52082@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f1e4e481002240314r1e2017e0t1b9d1cbc79e52082@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A379E24E@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> The place to change to get more than 70 mass flow nodes is in the source distribution include folder in the file net_flow.h and the parameter is MNOD Be sure to issue a 'make clean' command to remove all of the object files and executables prior to using the Install script to rebuild your system. And be sure to test the updated ESP-r! There may be some reports or sections of the interface that assume only two digits for reporting on flow nodes. Electrical networks were mostly designed for electrical engineers to work with. Most other people find the terminology to be a challenge. Is the supply fan you mention a flow network component - if so you are probably going to have to do some post-processing - as far as I know flow components do not include the electrical characteristics needed to include them in an electrical network. The person to ask is Nick Kelly. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Nilton Oliveira [nilton.janicas at gmail.com] Sent: 24 February 2010 11:14 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Electrical network and network flow. Dear users I've a model with 70 nodes and i need more 70 nodes. My question is where i defined the number for more nodes in the source code? Other question. Anyone have tutorials or some example to implement a electrical network. I just want to know the electricity comsumption for my supply fan. Thank you in advance. Regards, Nilton Oliveira From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Feb 24 21:06:00 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:06:00 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: esp-r common In-Reply-To: <75C7116929E8744596D1F206448AEB1D203CFF4E51@APHS7200.ap.corp.owenscorning.com> References: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EEC892BB@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk>, <75C7116929E8744596D1F206448AEB1D203CFF4E51@APHS7200.ap.corp.owenscorning.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A379E250@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> The variables are part of the common block for scheduled infiltration and ventilation and they are defined in esrucom/eroper.F (near line 66). Eroper.F also has the source code that reads the data from the zone operation files. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tang, David [David.Tang at owenscorning.com] Sent: 24 February 2010 08:49 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] esp-r common Can any one tell the meanings of the following variables in common/P2CTL/ ACIL(MCOM) ACVL(MCOM) IVL(MCOM) TAL(MCOM) ACIU(MCOM) ACVU(MCOM) IVU(MCOM) TAU(MCOM) Thanks in advance. -dechao The information contained in this communication and its attachment(s) is intended only for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or exempt from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify postmaster at owenscorning.com and delete the communication without retaining any copies. Thank you. Translations available: http://www.owenscorning.com/emailfooter.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Feb 26 05:45:23 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 05:45:23 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: for the network control In-Reply-To: <790419.37793.qm@web15901.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> References: <790419.37793.qm@web15901.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A379E259@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> There are several approaches for window opening if the outside temperature is within a specific range. The exemplar model cellular_natv uses what is called a range based controller to alter the size of an opening. There is also the office_vent exemplar and the control file office_vent_netent_ctl.ctl also demonstrates the range based controller. Another approach is to define several flow components in sequence, each of the flow connections would have one part of the logic and only when all of the logic tests are true does air flow. The ESP-r Cookbook also discusses how you can use a multiple-sensor with a flow network which one control includes several AND OR statements to allow for specific controls. Look for flow law 'multi sensor on/off' an example of this is included in the exemplar cellular_hybrid Because you have control of the design of the flow network it is possible to create networks and controls which can approximate a range of controls (even checking the range of temperatures inside as well as the temperature range outside). -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? [lzytongji at yahoo.com.cn] Sent: 24 February 2010 16:13 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] for the network control Hi everyone, I wonder how to set the network control to achieve this aim: When the Outdoor climate temperature is between 15~24degree celsius, the window will open. Or the window will close. Is there anybody tell me how to set the rule to achieve the upper aim? Thanks a lot, Teresa ________________________________ ????????????????? From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Feb 26 05:47:36 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 05:47:36 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Electrical network and network flow. In-Reply-To: <2f1e4e481002240314r1e2017e0t1b9d1cbc79e52082@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f1e4e481002240314r1e2017e0t1b9d1cbc79e52082@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A379E25A@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> There is a document which gives guidance for setting up a PV integrated facade which helps to understand many steps needed to define an electrical network. I can send this to interested people if you send me an email. Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Nilton Oliveira [nilton.janicas at gmail.com] Sent: 24 February 2010 11:14 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Electrical network and network flow. Dear users I've a model with 70 nodes and i need more 70 nodes. My question is where i defined the number for more nodes in the source code? Other question. Anyone have tutorials or some example to implement a electrical network. I just want to know the electricity comsumption for my supply fan. Thank you in advance. Regards, Nilton Oliveira From clement.marcel at viherio.fr Fri Feb 26 11:06:07 2010 From: clement.marcel at viherio.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Cl=E9ment_MARCEL?=) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:06:07 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] about ISH improvements Message-ID: <4B87AB1F.1070905@viherio.fr> Hi, on the ESRU website the planned (and others) improvements of the ISH calculations are provided. Are these features actually under development : - ASCII version of ISH db (output, and perhaps input ?), - zone self-shading, - generalised obstructions blocks, with many rotations, or surface definition like others surfaces in esp-r, - Radiance use ? Do you think that the development of an input routine for ASCII ISH db is an easy operation ? Thanks for your response. -- *Cl?ment MARCEL* /responsable scientifique et technique/ clement.marcel at viherio.fr Viheri? 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This is used, for example when re-compiling ESP-r to save a lot of time in creating the exemplar models. b) zone self-shading - not yet in place, many people have asked for this. We might try to first implement it with non-complex polygons (e.g. without holes). c) obstruction blocks can rotate around 2 axis. Obstruction block vertices can be edited to allow non-rectangular six sided shapes d) dual rotated obstructions are not yet written out in a radiance file. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Cl?ment MARCEL [clement.marcel at viherio.fr] Sent: 26 February 2010 11:06 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] about ISH improvements Hi, on the ESRU website the planned (and others) improvements of the ISH calculations are provided. Are these features actually under development : - ASCII version of ISH db (output, and perhaps input ?), - zone self-shading, - generalised obstructions blocks, with many rotations, or surface definition like others surfaces in esp-r, - Radiance use ? Do you think that the development of an input routine for ASCII ISH db is an easy operation ? Thanks for your response. -- Cl?ment MARCEL responsable scientifique et technique clement.marcel at viherio.fr [cid:part1.02050501.01080008 at viherio.fr] 22 rue Chateauvert 26000 VALENCE t?l?phone | 0 469 305 202 mobile | 06 69 68 32 72 t?l?copie | 0 469 960 594 web | www.viherio.fr --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ce message et toutes les pi?ces jointes sont confidentiels et ?tablis ? l'intention exclusive de son ou ses destinataires. Toute modification, ?dition, utilisation ou diffusion non autoris?e est interdite. L'?metteur d?cline toute responsabilit? au titre de ce message s'il a ?t? modifi?, d?form?, falsifi?, infect? par un virus ou encore ?dit? ou diffus? sans autorisation. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn Sun Feb 28 05:24:46 2010 From: Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn (Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 13:24:46 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] question on "modelling Passive downdraught evaporative cooling (PDEC) with ESP-r" Message-ID: <076B831E3BD70140B69F1D47DF456F4A16BAC4B12B@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn> Hi all, I am wondering what would be the best approach for modelling Passive downdraught evaporative cooling (PDEC) with ESP-r, and in particular a a PDEC tower with a wet pad? I am thinking of modelling the tower as a separate zone, set up an air flow network and use the ideal humidity control in the PDEC tower zone. Would this approach be OK and what are the limitations? There is an existing implementation of a PDEC tower component in another building simulation program (which is described in this IBPSA 2009 paper: http://www.ibpsa.org//proceedings/BS2009/BS09_0369_376.pdf) but we would ideally like to use ESP-r for other reasons, i.e. we need to try and set up a CFD simulation for the zone that the incoming air is dumped. Do you think that I should use ESP-r for this model? Thanks very much, Georgios ******************************************************************************************************************************* This email has been scanned by the Altman Email Security System. For more information please visit www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems ******************************************************************************************************************************* From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Sun Feb 28 06:38:49 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 06:38:49 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: question on "modelling Passive downdraught evaporative cooling (PDEC) with ESP-r" In-Reply-To: <076B831E3BD70140B69F1D47DF456F4A16BAC4B12B@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn> References: <076B831E3BD70140B69F1D47DF456F4A16BAC4B12B@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A379E266@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> If the PDEC is primarily driven by the wet pad it would be useful to consider a variant of the wet surface controller or how about an evaporative surface as a special material. If you have a good idea about the amount of cool air generated you might making a zone to represent the air near where the pad would be and chilling it an equivalent amount. Buoyancy in the flow network could take care of the rest. Is the idea below to raise the humidity of the air stream via the humidity control? Anyone interested in implementing a wet pad representation? -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS [Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn] Sent: 28 February 2010 05:24 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] question on "modelling Passive downdraught evaporative cooling (PDEC) with ESP-r" Hi all, I am wondering what would be the best approach for modelling Passive downdraught evaporative cooling (PDEC) with ESP-r, and in particular a a PDEC tower with a wet pad? I am thinking of modelling the tower as a separate zone, set up an air flow network and use the ideal humidity control in the PDEC tower zone. Would this approach be OK and what are the limitations? There is an existing implementation of a PDEC tower component in another building simulation program (which is described in this IBPSA 2009 paper: http://www.ibpsa.org//proceedings/BS2009/BS09_0369_376.pdf) but we would ideally like to use ESP-r for other reasons, i.e. we need to try and set up a CFD simulation for the zone that the incoming air is dumped. Do you think that I should use ESP-r for this model? Thanks very much, Georgios ******************************************************************************************************************************* This email has been scanned by the Altman Email Security System. For more information please visit www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems ******************************************************************************************************************************* _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From tincandanedo at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 19:16:03 2010 From: tincandanedo at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Agust=EDn_Candanedo?=) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 14:16:03 -0500 Subject: [esp-r] Simple models (single lumped capacitance per zone) Message-ID: Hi, I understand that it is possible in ESP-r to create simple models, for HVAC controls, having a single lumped capacitance per zone. Could anybody kindly provide more details about this feature? Thank you in advance for your help, Jos? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In this case you do not specify the full details of the equipment/components to be used but how they react with the room. This abstract approach is great for trying out ideas and seeing how well demand and supply can be matched. There is a chapter about this in the ESP-r Cookbook, there are dozens of exemplar models. Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jos? Agust?n Candanedo [tincandanedo at gmail.com] Sent: 28 February 2010 19:16 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Simple models (single lumped capacitance per zone) Hi, I understand that it is possible in ESP-r to create simple models, for HVAC controls, having a single lumped capacitance per zone. Could anybody kindly provide more details about this feature? Thank you in advance for your help, Jos? From runabha at gmail.com Tue Mar 2 17:13:44 2010 From: runabha at gmail.com (Arunabha Sau) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 11:13:44 -0600 Subject: [esp-r] Re: esp-r Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I am a new user of ESP-r. While I was importing a DXF file (12 version), it was saying one error: *Problem with configuration line*: * date march 2 .... Can anyone help me? Thanks, Aru -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100302/42ac9091/attachment.html From leo.bakker at tno.nl Thu Mar 4 13:29:45 2010 From: leo.bakker at tno.nl (Bakker, L.G. (Leo)) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 14:29:45 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] ESP CFC control sensor definition work around Message-ID: <8ACA38FA71F78D4E9AF9FF08380A444E02BC9B6A@MAIL04.tsn.tno.nl> Dear All, Try to pick up ESP where I left some decade ago.. We try to compute the effect of different control strategies for a venetian blind system using the CFC module. We like to compare the following cases - no shading - shading applied if the effective total solar radiation (diff and dir) > 200W/m2 - shading applied if the effective total solar radiation (diff and dir) > 350W/m2 - manual controlled It seems I am able to select as sensor: horizontal diffuse or direct radiation (normal or total). I am just wondering: 1- if there is a way to control based on the total solar radiation on the vertical CFC surface (as would be received by a sensor)? 2- if it would be possible to use a temporal file to control the shading If this is not possible I will manipulate the weather file and define a wind direction of 0 degrees for the cases the shading should be applied and use that as a sensor. I will then try to calculate the radiation on the CFC surface using a small 1 by 1 by 1 box with an window with 100 % transmittance and calculate how much solar radiation entered the box. I wonder 3- if this box approach will work and give me the effective total solar radiation on the surface and 4- if there is a simpler alternative for my "weather workaround approach" Thanks in advance, Leo Bakker TNO Building and Geosciences Visiting address: Van Mourik Broekmanweg 6 PoBox 49 NL2600AA Delft The Netherlands P +31 (0)15 276 3305 F +31 (0)15 276 3023 M +31 (0)6 456 309 44 E Leo.Bakker at TNO.nl This e-mail and its contents are subject to the DISCLAIMER at http://www.tno.nl/disclaimer/email.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100304/654e2b55/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Thu Mar 4 19:46:27 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 20:46:27 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: ESP CFC control sensor definition work around In-Reply-To: <8ACA38FA71F78D4E9AF9FF08380A444E02BC9B6A@MAIL04.tsn.tno.nl> References: <8ACA38FA71F78D4E9AF9FF08380A444E02BC9B6A@MAIL04.tsn.tno.nl> Message-ID: <92E085C1-C8CA-4AF0-87A0-D9D7CEF16DF6@intergga.ch> Hi Leo if you are set up to recompile, you should be able to do what you want quite easily. The CFC control is defined in esrubld/ complex_fenestration.F, subroutine CFC_control (line 3878) Go to lines 4050 or thereabouts. Based on the rudimentary controls defined there, you can most likely implement what you want with little problem. Actually, the solrad used for control is dir+diff on the incident surface (the one for which the sensor is defined) so should already be what you want (although I am not entirely sure that this is part of the current release). Best Achim On Mar 4, 2010, at 2:29 PM, Bakker, L.G. (Leo) wrote: > Dear All, > > Try to pick up ESP where I left some decade ago.. > > We try to compute the effect of different control strategies for a > venetian blind system using the CFC module. > > We like to compare the following cases > - no shading > - shading applied if the effective total solar radiation > (diff and dir) > 200W/m2 > - shading applied if the effective total solar radiation > (diff and dir) > 350W/m2 > - manual controlled > > It seems I am able to select as sensor: horizontal diffuse or direct > radiation (normal or total). > > I am just wondering: > 1- if there is a way to control based on the total solar radiation > on the vertical CFC surface (as would be received by a sensor)? > 2- if it would be possible to use a temporal file to control the > shading > > If this is not possible I will manipulate the weather file and > define a wind direction of 0 degrees for the cases the shading > should be applied and use that as a sensor. > I will then try to calculate the radiation on the CFC surface using > a small 1 by 1 by 1 box with an window with 100 % transmittance and > calculate how much solar radiation entered the box. > I wonder > 3- if this box approach will work and give me the effective total > solar radiation on the surface and > 4- if there is a simpler alternative for my ?weather workaround > approach? > > Thanks in advance, > > Leo Bakker > > > TNO Building and Geosciences > > Visiting address: Van Mourik Broekmanweg 6 > > PoBox 49 > NL2600AA Delft > The Netherlands > > P +31 (0)15 276 3305 > F +31 (0)15 276 3023 > M +31 (0)6 456 309 44 > E Leo.Bakker at TNO.nl > > This e-mail and its contents are subject to the DISCLAIMER at http://www.tno.nl/disclaimer/email.html > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We may do that over the summer. I will let you know on how this progresses. Thanks again, Georgios -----Original Message----- From: Jon Hand [mailto:jon at esru.strath.ac.uk] Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 2:39 PM To: Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: [esp-r] question on "modelling Passive downdraught evaporative cooling (PDEC) with ESP-r" If the PDEC is primarily driven by the wet pad it would be useful to consider a variant of the wet surface controller or how about an evaporative surface as a special material. If you have a good idea about the amount of cool air generated you might making a zone to represent the air near where the pad would be and chilling it an equivalent amount. Buoyancy in the flow network could take care of the rest. Is the idea below to raise the humidity of the air stream via the humidity control? Anyone interested in implementing a wet pad representation? -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS [Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn] Sent: 28 February 2010 05:24 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] question on "modelling Passive downdraught evaporative cooling (PDEC) with ESP-r" Hi all, I am wondering what would be the best approach for modelling Passive downdraught evaporative cooling (PDEC) with ESP-r, and in particular a a PDEC tower with a wet pad? I am thinking of modelling the tower as a separate zone, set up an air flow network and use the ideal humidity control in the PDEC tower zone. Would this approach be OK and what are the limitations? There is an existing implementation of a PDEC tower component in another building simulation program (which is described in this IBPSA 2009 paper: http://www.ibpsa.org//proceedings/BS2009/BS09_0369_376.pdf) but we would ideally like to use ESP-r for other reasons, i.e. we need to try and set up a CFD simulation for the zone that the incoming air is dumped. Do you think that I should use ESP-r for this model? Thanks very much, Georgios ******************************************************************************************************************************* This email has been scanned by the Altman Email Security System. 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Name: logo.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 6160 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100305/f4146e0e/attachment-0001.jpg From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Mar 5 09:04:51 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 09:04:51 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: GCC4 problems with Microsoft Windows and H3K reports In-Reply-To: <4B90B138.2060606@viherio.fr> References: <4B90B138.2060606@viherio.fr> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A379E28B@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> On several machines that I have tested with the 11.8 native windows version compiled with my branch most of the exemplars can be used (I have not tested every dialog on every exemplar) There are a couple of glitches in the download version which were found after the release and have not yet been included in the development_branch. This glitch affects the ability to alter a constructions entry. I could create a beta download of the newer source that appears to be more stable under GCC 4 and including the XML reporting if you want. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Cl?ment MARCEL [clement.marcel at viherio.fr] Sent: 05 March 2010 07:22 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] GCC4 problems with Microsoft Windows and H3K reports Hi, I have got some problems when i try to use the precompiled version of ESP (latest version 11.8, with H3K reports and GCC4 compiler) on microsoft Windows (XP). Exemplars can't be used, some values are set to 0.0 (materials db for example), but it's the case for all models and modifications on the db and the model. The compilation with GCC3 seams to be OK (as said in a readme file, and with the GCC3 version provide in the ESRU website), but how can i proceed if i want to enable the H3K reports with the use of GCC3 ? Thanks in advance, -- Cl?ment MARCEL responsable scientifique et technique clement.marcel at viherio.fr [cid:part1.03010002.07010500 at viherio.fr] 22 rue Chateauvert 26000 VALENCE t?l?phone | 0 469 305 202 mobile | 06 69 68 32 72 t?l?copie | 0 469 960 594 web | www.viherio.fr --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ce message et toutes les pi?ces jointes sont confidentiels et ?tablis ? l'intention exclusive de son ou ses destinataires. Toute modification, ?dition, utilisation ou diffusion non autoris?e est interdite. L'?metteur d?cline toute responsabilit? au titre de ce message s'il a ?t? modifi?, d?form?, falsifi?, infect? par un virus ou encore ?dit? ou diffus? sans autorisation. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Mar 5 09:24:54 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 09:24:54 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] How about a meeting of the ESP-r community at eSim 2010 in Manitoba in May Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A379E28C@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> That fun eSim conference of IBPSA Canada is going to be held in Manitoba 19-20 May of this year. I am planning on taking part in the conference and there may be others in the ESP-r development or user community who will also be at eSim 2010. At a minimum we should plan on getting together for a beer and sharing stories, a slightly grander scheme could be to plan a dinner meeting so that there was more time for discussions. And what about a one-two hour discussion/roundtable during the conference so we can discover who is doing what, ideas for the future and some critical networking. And if there is interest and a venue that can be arranged I would be willing to arrive just before or stay just after the conference for a workshop. Topics might include source code control (which makes some folk cross-eyed), the new and evolving META file format which several 3rd party developers are using for communications with ESP-r, network flow and controls. And you might have additional ideas.... So.... have a think and shout out your suggestions and hopefully there will be many opportunities at eSim! Regards, Jon Hand From Camilo.Diaz at WSPGroup.com Fri Mar 5 10:05:40 2010 From: Camilo.Diaz at WSPGroup.com (Diaz, Camilo) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 10:05:40 -0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: question on "modelling Passive downdraught evaporative cooling (PDEC) with ESP-r" In-Reply-To: <076B831E3BD70140B69F1D47DF456F4A16BC8A1A21@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn> References: <076B831E3BD70140B69F1D47DF456F4A16BAC4B12B@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn><2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A379E266@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> <076B831E3BD70140B69F1D47DF456F4A16BC8A1A21@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn> Message-ID: <8D1DBECA68C12349A239B8977228707A02261C85@EXC04COL1UK.uk.wspgroup.com> Georgios About 8 or 9 years ago I was part of the team who worked on a EU funded three year research project on PDEC. As part of that a lot of ESP-r modelling and validation against on-site PDEC facilities data was done. It is worth you contacting the people who did the modelling at De Montfort University. Regards Camilo Diaz 0207 314 4447 07713 985 845 -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS Sent: 05 March 2010 06:48 To: Jon Hand; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: question on "modelling Passive downdraught evaporative cooling (PDEC) with ESP-r" Many thanks Jon for your quick response. I think that the "evaporative surface" is probably the best current approach for modelling this. It does not seem difficult either to implement as a special material what that paper was describing (at least for the temperature part - not sure about the air flows). We may do that over the summer. I will let you know on how this progresses. Thanks again, Georgios -----Original Message----- From: Jon Hand [mailto:jon at esru.strath.ac.uk] Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 2:39 PM To: Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: [esp-r] question on "modelling Passive downdraught evaporative cooling (PDEC) with ESP-r" If the PDEC is primarily driven by the wet pad it would be useful to consider a variant of the wet surface controller or how about an evaporative surface as a special material. If you have a good idea about the amount of cool air generated you might making a zone to represent the air near where the pad would be and chilling it an equivalent amount. Buoyancy in the flow network could take care of the rest. Is the idea below to raise the humidity of the air stream via the humidity control? Anyone interested in implementing a wet pad representation? -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS [Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn] Sent: 28 February 2010 05:24 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] question on "modelling Passive downdraught evaporative cooling (PDEC) with ESP-r" Hi all, I am wondering what would be the best approach for modelling Passive downdraught evaporative cooling (PDEC) with ESP-r, and in particular a a PDEC tower with a wet pad? I am thinking of modelling the tower as a separate zone, set up an air flow network and use the ideal humidity control in the PDEC tower zone. Would this approach be OK and what are the limitations? There is an existing implementation of a PDEC tower component in another building simulation program (which is described in this IBPSA 2009 paper: http://www.ibpsa.org//proceedings/BS2009/BS09_0369_376.pdf) but we would ideally like to use ESP-r for other reasons, i.e. we need to try and set up a CFD simulation for the zone that the incoming air is dumped. Do you think that I should use ESP-r for this model? Thanks very much, Georgios ************************************************************************ ******************************************************* This email has been scanned by the Altman Email Security System. 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For more information please visit www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems ************************************************************************ ******************************************************* _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Mar 5 11:18:58 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 11:18:58 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: question on "modelling Passive downdraught evaporative cooling (PDEC) with ESP-r" In-Reply-To: <8D1DBECA68C12349A239B8977228707A02261C85@EXC04COL1UK.uk.wspgroup.com> References: <076B831E3BD70140B69F1D47DF456F4A16BAC4B12B@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn><2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A379E266@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> <076B831E3BD70140B69F1D47DF456F4A16BC8A1A21@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn>, <8D1DBECA68C12349A239B8977228707A02261C85@EXC04COL1UK.uk.wspgroup.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A379E290@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> This is interesting. I was not aware of the De Montfort group passing back changes they made in ESP-r to implement PDEC. Perhaps they did? Is there any chance of getting that source (after all ESP-r is published under GPL and such developments should be made available to others in the ESP-r development community). Any suggestions on a next step? -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: Diaz, Camilo [Camilo.Diaz at WSPGroup.com] Sent: 05 March 2010 10:05 To: Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS; Jon Hand; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: [esp-r] Re: question on "modelling Passive downdraught evaporative cooling (PDEC) with ESP-r" Georgios About 8 or 9 years ago I was part of the team who worked on a EU funded three year research project on PDEC. As part of that a lot of ESP-r modelling and validation against on-site PDEC facilities data was done. It is worth you contacting the people who did the modelling at De Montfort University. Regards Camilo Diaz 0207 314 4447 07713 985 845 -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS Sent: 05 March 2010 06:48 To: Jon Hand; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: question on "modelling Passive downdraught evaporative cooling (PDEC) with ESP-r" Many thanks Jon for your quick response. I think that the "evaporative surface" is probably the best current approach for modelling this. It does not seem difficult either to implement as a special material what that paper was describing (at least for the temperature part - not sure about the air flows). We may do that over the summer. I will let you know on how this progresses. Thanks again, Georgios -----Original Message----- From: Jon Hand [mailto:jon at esru.strath.ac.uk] Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 2:39 PM To: Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: [esp-r] question on "modelling Passive downdraught evaporative cooling (PDEC) with ESP-r" If the PDEC is primarily driven by the wet pad it would be useful to consider a variant of the wet surface controller or how about an evaporative surface as a special material. If you have a good idea about the amount of cool air generated you might making a zone to represent the air near where the pad would be and chilling it an equivalent amount. Buoyancy in the flow network could take care of the rest. Is the idea below to raise the humidity of the air stream via the humidity control? Anyone interested in implementing a wet pad representation? -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS [Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn] Sent: 28 February 2010 05:24 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] question on "modelling Passive downdraught evaporative cooling (PDEC) with ESP-r" Hi all, I am wondering what would be the best approach for modelling Passive downdraught evaporative cooling (PDEC) with ESP-r, and in particular a a PDEC tower with a wet pad? I am thinking of modelling the tower as a separate zone, set up an air flow network and use the ideal humidity control in the PDEC tower zone. Would this approach be OK and what are the limitations? There is an existing implementation of a PDEC tower component in another building simulation program (which is described in this IBPSA 2009 paper: http://www.ibpsa.org//proceedings/BS2009/BS09_0369_376.pdf) but we would ideally like to use ESP-r for other reasons, i.e. we need to try and set up a CFD simulation for the zone that the incoming air is dumped. Do you think that I should use ESP-r for this model? Thanks very much, Georgios ************************************************************************ ******************************************************* This email has been scanned by the Altman Email Security System. 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For more information please visit www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems ************************************************************************ ******************************************************* _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From Camilo.Diaz at WSPGroup.com Fri Mar 5 12:22:28 2010 From: Camilo.Diaz at WSPGroup.com (Diaz, Camilo) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 12:22:28 -0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: question on "modelling Passive downdraught evaporative cooling (PDEC) with ESP-r" In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A379E290@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <076B831E3BD70140B69F1D47DF456F4A16BAC4B12B@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn><2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A379E266@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> <076B831E3BD70140B69F1D47DF456F4A16BC8A1A21@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn>, <8D1DBECA68C12349A239B8977228707A02261C85@EXC04COL1UK.uk.wspgroup.com> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A379E290@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <8D1DBECA68C12349A239B8977228707A022CFD80@EXC04COL1UK.uk.wspgroup.com> I am not sure if they did any changes to the source or just used the existing platform and derived a method for modelling PDEC. Prof. Brian Ford now at Nottingham University was the initiator the whole PDEC idea, he put the teams together and coordinated the project. There was a symposium recently about it and I understand one of the outputs is a piece of software. There is a website www.phdc.eu which is worth visiting. Hope this helps Regards Camilo 0207 314 4447 07713 985 845 -----Original Message----- From: Jon Hand [mailto:jon at esru.strath.ac.uk] Sent: 05 March 2010 11:19 To: Diaz, Camilo; Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: [esp-r] Re: question on "modelling Passive downdraught evaporative cooling (PDEC) with ESP-r" This is interesting. I was not aware of the De Montfort group passing back changes they made in ESP-r to implement PDEC. Perhaps they did? Is there any chance of getting that source (after all ESP-r is published under GPL and such developments should be made available to others in the ESP-r development community). Any suggestions on a next step? -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: Diaz, Camilo [Camilo.Diaz at WSPGroup.com] Sent: 05 March 2010 10:05 To: Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS; Jon Hand; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: [esp-r] Re: question on "modelling Passive downdraught evaporative cooling (PDEC) with ESP-r" Georgios About 8 or 9 years ago I was part of the team who worked on a EU funded three year research project on PDEC. As part of that a lot of ESP-r modelling and validation against on-site PDEC facilities data was done. It is worth you contacting the people who did the modelling at De Montfort University. Regards Camilo Diaz 0207 314 4447 07713 985 845 -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS Sent: 05 March 2010 06:48 To: Jon Hand; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: question on "modelling Passive downdraught evaporative cooling (PDEC) with ESP-r" Many thanks Jon for your quick response. I think that the "evaporative surface" is probably the best current approach for modelling this. It does not seem difficult either to implement as a special material what that paper was describing (at least for the temperature part - not sure about the air flows). We may do that over the summer. I will let you know on how this progresses. Thanks again, Georgios -----Original Message----- From: Jon Hand [mailto:jon at esru.strath.ac.uk] Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 2:39 PM To: Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: [esp-r] question on "modelling Passive downdraught evaporative cooling (PDEC) with ESP-r" If the PDEC is primarily driven by the wet pad it would be useful to consider a variant of the wet surface controller or how about an evaporative surface as a special material. If you have a good idea about the amount of cool air generated you might making a zone to represent the air near where the pad would be and chilling it an equivalent amount. Buoyancy in the flow network could take care of the rest. Is the idea below to raise the humidity of the air stream via the humidity control? Anyone interested in implementing a wet pad representation? -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS [Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn] Sent: 28 February 2010 05:24 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] question on "modelling Passive downdraught evaporative cooling (PDEC) with ESP-r" Hi all, I am wondering what would be the best approach for modelling Passive downdraught evaporative cooling (PDEC) with ESP-r, and in particular a a PDEC tower with a wet pad? I am thinking of modelling the tower as a separate zone, set up an air flow network and use the ideal humidity control in the PDEC tower zone. Would this approach be OK and what are the limitations? There is an existing implementation of a PDEC tower component in another building simulation program (which is described in this IBPSA 2009 paper: http://www.ibpsa.org//proceedings/BS2009/BS09_0369_376.pdf) but we would ideally like to use ESP-r for other reasons, i.e. we need to try and set up a CFD simulation for the zone that the incoming air is dumped. Do you think that I should use ESP-r for this model? Thanks very much, Georgios ************************************************************************ ******************************************************* This email has been scanned by the Altman Email Security System. 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For more information please visit www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems ************************************************************************ ******************************************************* _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn Fri Mar 5 14:08:19 2010 From: Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn (Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 22:08:19 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] Re: question on "modelling Passive downdraught evaporative cooling (PDEC) with ESP-r" In-Reply-To: <8D1DBECA68C12349A239B8977228707A022CFD80@EXC04COL1UK.uk.wspgroup.com> References: <076B831E3BD70140B69F1D47DF456F4A16BAC4B12B@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn><2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A379E266@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> <076B831E3BD70140B69F1D47DF456F4A16BC8A1A21@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn>, <8D1DBECA68C12349A239B8977228707A02261C85@EXC04COL1UK.uk.wspgroup.com> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A379E290@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk>, <8D1DBECA68C12349A239B8977228707A022CFD80@EXC04COL1UK.uk.wspgroup.com> Message-ID: <076B831E3BD70140B69F1D47DF456F4A16BC904B68@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn> Thanks very much Camilo. I am aware about this symposium and the involvement of Nottingham (and of your group) but I did not know that ESP-r was used in the past for the same purpose. I think that the software that you are talking about is "EVAPCOOL" but I do not know much about it. I have a student who is coming this summer to China from Nottingham-UK and he wants to work on that topic for his MSc. I am suggesting him ESP-r for the moment but we will see how this will end up. Many thanks for all of the responses. Regards, Georgios ________________________________________ From: Diaz, Camilo [Camilo.Diaz at WSPGroup.com] Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:22 PM To: Jon Hand; Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: [esp-r] Re: question on "modelling Passive downdraught evaporative cooling (PDEC) with ESP-r" I am not sure if they did any changes to the source or just used the existing platform and derived a method for modelling PDEC. Prof. Brian Ford now at Nottingham University was the initiator the whole PDEC idea, he put the teams together and coordinated the project. There was a symposium recently about it and I understand one of the outputs is a piece of software. There is a website www.phdc.eu which is worth visiting. Hope this helps Regards Camilo 0207 314 4447 07713 985 845 -----Original Message----- From: Jon Hand [mailto:jon at esru.strath.ac.uk] Sent: 05 March 2010 11:19 To: Diaz, Camilo; Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: [esp-r] Re: question on "modelling Passive downdraught evaporative cooling (PDEC) with ESP-r" This is interesting. I was not aware of the De Montfort group passing back changes they made in ESP-r to implement PDEC. Perhaps they did? Is there any chance of getting that source (after all ESP-r is published under GPL and such developments should be made available to others in the ESP-r development community). Any suggestions on a next step? -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: Diaz, Camilo [Camilo.Diaz at WSPGroup.com] Sent: 05 March 2010 10:05 To: Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS; Jon Hand; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: [esp-r] Re: question on "modelling Passive downdraught evaporative cooling (PDEC) with ESP-r" Georgios About 8 or 9 years ago I was part of the team who worked on a EU funded three year research project on PDEC. As part of that a lot of ESP-r modelling and validation against on-site PDEC facilities data was done. It is worth you contacting the people who did the modelling at De Montfort University. Regards Camilo Diaz 0207 314 4447 07713 985 845 -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS Sent: 05 March 2010 06:48 To: Jon Hand; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: question on "modelling Passive downdraught evaporative cooling (PDEC) with ESP-r" Many thanks Jon for your quick response. I think that the "evaporative surface" is probably the best current approach for modelling this. It does not seem difficult either to implement as a special material what that paper was describing (at least for the temperature part - not sure about the air flows). We may do that over the summer. I will let you know on how this progresses. Thanks again, Georgios -----Original Message----- From: Jon Hand [mailto:jon at esru.strath.ac.uk] Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 2:39 PM To: Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: [esp-r] question on "modelling Passive downdraught evaporative cooling (PDEC) with ESP-r" If the PDEC is primarily driven by the wet pad it would be useful to consider a variant of the wet surface controller or how about an evaporative surface as a special material. If you have a good idea about the amount of cool air generated you might making a zone to represent the air near where the pad would be and chilling it an equivalent amount. Buoyancy in the flow network could take care of the rest. Is the idea below to raise the humidity of the air stream via the humidity control? Anyone interested in implementing a wet pad representation? -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS [Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn] Sent: 28 February 2010 05:24 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] question on "modelling Passive downdraught evaporative cooling (PDEC) with ESP-r" Hi all, I am wondering what would be the best approach for modelling Passive downdraught evaporative cooling (PDEC) with ESP-r, and in particular a a PDEC tower with a wet pad? I am thinking of modelling the tower as a separate zone, set up an air flow network and use the ideal humidity control in the PDEC tower zone. Would this approach be OK and what are the limitations? There is an existing implementation of a PDEC tower component in another building simulation program (which is described in this IBPSA 2009 paper: http://www.ibpsa.org//proceedings/BS2009/BS09_0369_376.pdf) but we would ideally like to use ESP-r for other reasons, i.e. we need to try and set up a CFD simulation for the zone that the incoming air is dumped. Do you think that I should use ESP-r for this model? Thanks very much, Georgios ************************************************************************ ******************************************************* This email has been scanned by the Altman Email Security System. 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The *DFD warning is becuase at some point in time you when into the CFD domain menu but did not save any information. There is a option in the project manager to look for 'folders and files' and then go into 'zone files' locate the zone and then choose to de-reference the CFD descriptive file. Or open up a text editor and remove the *DFD line from the model cfg file. The building.h file is found in the Src/include folder. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Miguel Silva [miguelduartefsilva at hotmail.com] Sent: 08 March 2010 02:11 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Problem with maximum number zones Hello everyone, When building my project reach 55 program areas and said he had exceeded the 52 that was normal. Since then I can not open my project, always gives the following errors: "Warning: The value zones (55)> (52) normal maximum "Warning: The zones index value (0) From marta.oliveira at ineti.pt Mon Mar 8 16:19:52 2010 From: marta.oliveira at ineti.pt (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Marta_Oliveira_Pan=E3o?=) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:19:52 -0000 Subject: [esp-r] Solar absorbed by window panes Message-ID: <004701cabedb$2eefc060$8ccf4120$@oliveira@ineti.pt> Hello, My question is related with the parcel that correspond to ?solar entering from outside? which if I understood correctly is the solar heat that is transmitted through tmc elements. But, from the ESP-r results, is it possible to access how much heat is absorbed by glazing panes and subsequently released inward? Thanks in advance, Marta Oliveira Pan?o, PhD Unidade de Energia no Ambiente Constru?do / Energy in the Built Environment Unit Laborat?rio Nacional de Energia e Geologia, I.P. 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This is not available in ESP-r results output, however, there are a few outputs in res that may be useful to you: surface fluxes -> SW radiation (inside): this is the absorbed solar radiation on the inside surface node of the window accounting for external solar flux plus reflected solar from the interior. surface fluxes -> SW rad abs(other fc): this is the absorbed solar radiation on the external surface node, again accounting for both external flux and escaping interior solar flux (for windows) surface fluxes -> LW radiation (inside) & convection (inside): for windows, these represent the radiant and convective solar gain fluxes on the interior glass surface Currently, there is no output for absorbed solar radiation in intermediate, non-surface nodes as far as I know. I usually manually output the QTMCA array via the XML reporting facility. This array holds the nodal absorption values for transparent multilayer constructions (tmc) or complex fenestration constructions (cfc). The nodal absorption values are calculated in Solar.F There was recently a wiki article floating around on the use of the XML reporting facility. Does anyone know where this document resides? Bart Lomanowski NRCan, Canada ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:19:52 -0000 From: Marta Oliveira Pan?o Subject: [esp-r] Solar absorbed by window panes To: Message-ID: <004701cabedb$2eefc060$8ccf4120$@oliveira at ineti.pt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello, My question is related with the parcel that correspond to ?solar entering from outside? which if I understood correctly is the solar heat that is transmitted through tmc elements. But, from the ESP-r results, is it possible to access how much heat is absorbed by glazing panes and subsequently released inward? Thanks in advance, Marta Oliveira Pan?o, PhD Unidade de Energia no Ambiente Constru?do / Energy in the Built Environment Unit Laborat?rio Nacional de Energia e Geologia, I.P. 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Since I need to use a certain self-made model in ESP-r, I have to use the old ESP-r Version 10.11 (Project Manager Version 5.4a). How can I include the measured data within this ESP-r version for gains and plant components? I found the 'Short timestep (temporal) data' function in 'model context'. However, this function does not seem to work: no tdfa-file is created and no further settings are coming up afterwards. Any idea? Best Regards, Tobias -- Dr. Tobias Zitzmann Project Manager Dept. Thermal Systems and Buildings Fraunhofer-Institut f?r Solare Energiesysteme ISE Heidenhofstra?e 2, 79110 Freiburg, Germany Phone: +49 (0) 7 61/ 45 88-55 82 Fax: +49 (0) 7 61/ 45 88-95 82 tobias.zitzmann(at)ise.fraunhofer.de http://www.ise.fraunhofer.de From l.f.r.peeters at gmail.com Tue Mar 9 09:42:49 2010 From: l.f.r.peeters at gmail.com (leen peeters) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 10:42:49 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] double facades Message-ID: <3cbed0ed1003090142s341d76d0y955f7eaeaede6011@mail.gmail.com> Hi, has anyone used ESP-r for researchs on buildings with double facades? A student aims to study the energy efficiency of such measure using a building simulation tool. I know such models exist (and are validated) with TRNSYS (a.o. PhD work of D. Saelens), ... Leen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Proceedings of 10th IBPSA Conference, Beijing, China. http://www.bs2007.org.cn If you are interested I'll try and dig up the model (if it is not already in the exemplars) Regards, Aizaz On Tuesday 09 March 2010 09:42, leen peeters wrote: > Hi, > > has anyone used ESP-r for researchs on buildings with double facades? > A student aims to study the energy efficiency of such measure using a > building simulation tool. I know such models exist (and are validated) with > TRNSYS (a.o. PhD work of D. Saelens), ... > > Leen From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Mar 9 10:43:07 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 10:43:07 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: using measured data in old ESP-r Version 10.11 In-Reply-To: <4B9613D8.7080404@ise.fraunhofer.de> References: <4B9613D8.7080404@ise.fraunhofer.de> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A379E2A5@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> The temporal data file can be associated with casual gains in rooms in the current version of ESP-r and this should also work on older versions of ESP-r. Mass flow at a pump is not a data type that is included in old or new versions of ESP-r. This sounds like an interesting idea for a new temporal data type. Pump source temperatures are not a data type that is included in old or new version of ESP-r. It is possible to define a control setpoint for some ideal controls as a temporal item in the current version of ESP-r. I can't reproduce a version 10.11 so cannot confirm if control setpoints can be used. It might be possible to represent a chilled slab via the 'thin-zone with forced heat transfer coefficients' method. It is not clear why version 10.11 must be used. Current versions of ESP-r can usually read older models successfully or with minimal user intervention. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tobias Zitzmann [tobias.zitzmann at ise.fraunhofer.de] Sent: 09 March 2010 09:24 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] using measured data in old ESP-r Version 10.11 Hello everyone, I want to use measured data to specify the internal heat gains, the mass flow of the pump within my slab cooling plant component and the source temperature for the slab cooling for validation purposes of my building. Since I need to use a certain self-made model in ESP-r, I have to use the old ESP-r Version 10.11 (Project Manager Version 5.4a). How can I include the measured data within this ESP-r version for gains and plant components? I found the 'Short timestep (temporal) data' function in 'model context'. However, this function does not seem to work: no tdfa-file is created and no further settings are coming up afterwards. Any idea? Best Regards, Tobias -- Dr. Tobias Zitzmann Project Manager Dept. Thermal Systems and Buildings Fraunhofer-Institut f?r Solare Energiesysteme ISE Heidenhofstra?e 2, 79110 Freiburg, Germany Phone: +49 (0) 7 61/ 45 88-55 82 Fax: +49 (0) 7 61/ 45 88-95 82 tobias.zitzmann(at)ise.fraunhofer.de http://www.ise.fraunhofer.de _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Mar 9 11:02:55 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 11:02:55 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Solar absorbed by window panes In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A379E2AA@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Additional information is available via the 'trace' facility in the simulator. There is a trace topic for solar radiation and one for shading that might be of interest. There is also a trace for surface energy balance which includes a number of intermediate calculations. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Lomanowski, Bartosz [Bartosz.Lomanowski at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca] Sent: 08 March 2010 18:27 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Cc: marta.oliveira at ineti.pt Subject: [esp-r] Re: Solar absorbed by window panes Hi Marta, I believe what you are looking for is the "inward flowing fraction" of absorbed solar radiation. The inward flowing portion of absorbed energy in a glass pane 'i' is the ratio of the inward resistance (from glass pane 'i' to the interior) over the total window resistance. This is not available in ESP-r results output, however, there are a few outputs in res that may be useful to you: surface fluxes -> SW radiation (inside): this is the absorbed solar radiation on the inside surface node of the window accounting for external solar flux plus reflected solar from the interior. surface fluxes -> SW rad abs(other fc): this is the absorbed solar radiation on the external surface node, again accounting for both external flux and escaping interior solar flux (for windows) surface fluxes -> LW radiation (inside) & convection (inside): for windows, these represent the radiant and convective solar gain fluxes on the interior glass surface Currently, there is no output for absorbed solar radiation in intermediate, non-surface nodes as far as I know. I usually manually output the QTMCA array via the XML reporting facility. This array holds the nodal absorption values for transparent multilayer constructions (tmc) or complex fenestration constructions (cfc). The nodal absorption values are calculated in Solar.F There was recently a wiki article floating around on the use of the XML reporting facility. Does anyone know where this document resides? Bart Lomanowski NRCan, Canada ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:19:52 -0000 From: Marta Oliveira Pan?o Subject: [esp-r] Solar absorbed by window panes To: Message-ID: <004701cabedb$2eefc060$8ccf4120$@oliveira at ineti.pt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello, My question is related with the parcel that correspond to ?solar entering from outside? which if I understood correctly is the solar heat that is transmitted through tmc elements. But, from the ESP-r results, is it possible to access how much heat is absorbed by glazing panes and subsequently released inward? Thanks in advance, Marta Oliveira Pan?o, PhD Unidade de Energia no Ambiente Constru?do / Energy in the Built Environment Unit Laborat?rio Nacional de Energia e Geologia, I.P. 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(Leo)) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:26:39 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Climate smeared out Message-ID: <8ACA38FA71F78D4E9AF9FF08380A444E01BA121D@MAIL04.tsn.tno.nl> Dear all, When I look at the climate data from the clm76 with the clm module I get: Hr dr.n.dad df.nrad 8 0. 0. 9 0. 31. 10 341. 67. 11 513. 75. 12 568. 77. 13 151. 83. 14 58. 67. 15 0. 28. 16 0. 0. when I look at the same data with the res module climate I get: # Timestep performance metrics. # Lib: blokje.res: Results for blokje # Period: Sun-01-Jan at 00h30(1967) to Sun-31-Dec at 23h30(1967) : sim at 60m, output at 60m Time Directnorsolar(W/m^2) Diffusesolar(W/m^2) 06h30 0.00 0.00 07h30 0.00 7.75 08h30 85.25 32.25 09h30 298.75 60.00 10h30 483.75 73.50 11h30 450.00 78.00 12h30 232.00 77.50 13h30 66.75 61.25 14h30 14.50 30.75 15h30 0.00 7.00 16h30 0.00 0.00 It seems that the data is averaged over time for some reason. The problem I have with this is that I am studying the effects of controlled shading and averaging data over the hours seem to effect the results. There is for instance one particular day where only one hour has direct radiation of 100 W/m2 which is averaged around that hour (25 50 and 25 again). If this would be 600W/m2 and it would be averaged to 150, 300 and 150 W/m2 and the solar shading would be set to close above levels of 350W/m2 it would not be closed due to the averaging effects... This worries me. I have the following questions: Is it me doing something wrong? How can I stop this averaging? What are alternatives? Thanks in advance, Leo Bakker TNO Buildings and Construction research This e-mail and its contents are subject to the DISCLAIMER at http://www.tno.nl/disclaimer/email.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100310/c132f9c8/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Mar 10 11:57:53 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:57:53 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Climate smeared out In-Reply-To: <8ACA38FA71F78D4E9AF9FF08380A444E01BA121D@MAIL04.tsn.tno.nl> References: <8ACA38FA71F78D4E9AF9FF08380A444E01BA121D@MAIL04.tsn.tno.nl> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A379E2BA@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> There is an option in ESP-r to alter the timing assumptions in the solar radiation data. Look for the half-hour option. That might alter the performance a few hours. And you can use sub-hourly climate data via the temporal data facility. For example, if you had 15 minute data then the averaging would be over a different time-scale. And what happens if you do not ask for averaging of the simulation data and save data at higher frequencies? Please clarify whether the data below is from a simulation actually at one time step per hour saved at one time step per hour OR is is 15 minute timesteps saved onced per hour? Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Bakker, L.G. (Leo) [leo.bakker at tno.nl] Sent: 10 March 2010 10:26 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Climate smeared out Dear all, When I look at the climate data from the clm76 with the clm module I get: Hr dr.n.dad df.nrad 8 0. 0. 9 0. 31. 10 341. 67. 11 513. 75. 12 568. 77. 13 151. 83. 14 58. 67. 15 0. 28. 16 0. 0. when I look at the same data with the res module climate I get: # Timestep performance metrics. # Lib: blokje.res: Results for blokje # Period: Sun-01-Jan at 00h30(1967) to Sun-31-Dec at 23h30(1967) : sim at 60m, output at 60m Time Directnorsolar(W/m^2) Diffusesolar(W/m^2) 06h30 0.00 0.00 07h30 0.00 7.75 08h30 85.25 32.25 09h30 298.75 60.00 10h30 483.75 73.50 11h30 450.00 78.00 12h30 232.00 77.50 13h30 66.75 61.25 14h30 14.50 30.75 15h30 0.00 7.00 16h30 0.00 0.00 It seems that the data is averaged over time for some reason. The problem I have with this is that I am studying the effects of controlled shading and averaging data over the hours seem to effect the results. There is for instance one particular day where only one hour has direct radiation of 100 W/m2 which is averaged around that hour (25 50 and 25 again). If this would be 600W/m2 and it would be averaged to 150, 300 and 150 W/m2 and the solar shading would be set to close above levels of 350W/m2 it would not be closed due to the averaging effects... This worries me. I have the following questions: Is it me doing something wrong? How can I stop this averaging? What are alternatives? Thanks in advance, Leo Bakker TNO Buildings and Construction research This e-mail and its contents are subject to the DISCLAIMER at http://www.tno.nl/disclaimer/email.html From c.walsh.08 at aberdeen.ac.uk Wed Mar 10 10:25:46 2010 From: c.walsh.08 at aberdeen.ac.uk (Walsh, Cormac) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:25:46 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Open Holes in Surface Message-ID: Hi, very simple question im sure, but im new to ESP-r, modelling an industrial units energy consumption. Is it possible to have a child surface in a zone which is just an open hole, such as a vent hole? i have tried using the "ficticious" material, but it seems to make no difference to the heat lossed from the building. Thanks for any help, Cormac Walsh, University of Aberdeen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100310/17782d73/attachment.html From mdbusman at wesm.ph Wed Mar 10 12:12:44 2010 From: mdbusman at wesm.ph (Michael Dan B. Usman) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:12:44 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] Subroutines of espr Message-ID: <769816CA134B044B8E32CDC61489B4D371FF04@moappsvr5.wesm.ph> Where can I find the following subroutines called inside subroutine BCL05(PID control action)? Or in which fortran files are they coded? NSINC NSINCTR CFVAR The subroutines were called for the update of variables. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100310/3369637d/attachment.html From monika.hall at fhnw.ch Wed Mar 10 12:40:19 2010 From: monika.hall at fhnw.ch (Hall Monika) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:40:19 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Open Holes in Surface In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2E69B53CF81E2A43988A841A5B26799495904AF3D0@MXAMU12.adm.ds.fhnw.ch> Hi Cormac, you could calculate an open hole with an flow net work. You define with the flow net work an opening in the facade and conect this with an exterior note and the zone note. Regards Monika ________________________________ Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Walsh, Cormac Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. M?rz 2010 11:26 An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: [esp-r] Open Holes in Surface Hi, very simple question im sure, but im new to ESP-r, modelling an industrial units energy consumption. Is it possible to have a child surface in a zone which is just an open hole, such as a vent hole? i have tried using the "ficticious" material, but it seems to make no difference to the heat lossed from the building. Thanks for any help, Cormac Walsh, University of Aberdeen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100310/e3513b43/attachment.html From leo.bakker at tno.nl Wed Mar 10 13:06:32 2010 From: leo.bakker at tno.nl (Bakker, L.G. (Leo)) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:06:32 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Climate smeared out References: <8ACA38FA71F78D4E9AF9FF08380A444E01BA121D@MAIL04.tsn.tno.nl> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A379E2BA@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <8ACA38FA71F78D4E9AF9FF08380A444E01BA1226@MAIL04.tsn.tno.nl> Hi John, These are from one hour time step. I did however a 10 minute non hourly integrated time step simulation.. The output of the res module still averaged the results out in the same way over the hours with 10 minute interval. Could you please give me a pointer where to find the timing assumptions option in the solar radiation data. I would like to see if that will solve the problem without the temporal data route Thanks in advance Leo Bakker PS: It is important to us since we control the shading in advance with an external program which uses non averaged climate data -----Original Message----- From: Jon Hand [mailto:jon at esru.strath.ac.uk] Sent: Wed 3/10/2010 12:57 PM To: Bakker, L.G. (Leo); esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: [esp-r] Climate smeared out There is an option in ESP-r to alter the timing assumptions in the solar radiation data. Look for the half-hour option. That might alter the performance a few hours. And you can use sub-hourly climate data via the temporal data facility. For example, if you had 15 minute data then the averaging would be over a different time-scale. And what happens if you do not ask for averaging of the simulation data and save data at higher frequencies? Please clarify whether the data below is from a simulation actually at one time step per hour saved at one time step per hour OR is is 15 minute timesteps saved onced per hour? Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Bakker, L.G. (Leo) [leo.bakker at tno.nl] Sent: 10 March 2010 10:26 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Climate smeared out Dear all, When I look at the climate data from the clm76 with the clm module I get: Hr dr.n.dad df.nrad 8 0. 0. 9 0. 31. 10 341. 67. 11 513. 75. 12 568. 77. 13 151. 83. 14 58. 67. 15 0. 28. 16 0. 0. when I look at the same data with the res module climate I get: # Timestep performance metrics. # Lib: blokje.res: Results for blokje # Period: Sun-01-Jan at 00h30(1967) to Sun-31-Dec at 23h30(1967) : sim at 60m, output at 60m Time Directnorsolar(W/m^2) Diffusesolar(W/m^2) 06h30 0.00 0.00 07h30 0.00 7.75 08h30 85.25 32.25 09h30 298.75 60.00 10h30 483.75 73.50 11h30 450.00 78.00 12h30 232.00 77.50 13h30 66.75 61.25 14h30 14.50 30.75 15h30 0.00 7.00 16h30 0.00 0.00 It seems that the data is averaged over time for some reason. The problem I have with this is that I am studying the effects of controlled shading and averaging data over the hours seem to effect the results. There is for instance one particular day where only one hour has direct radiation of 100 W/m2 which is averaged around that hour (25 50 and 25 again). If this would be 600W/m2 and it would be averaged to 150, 300 and 150 W/m2 and the solar shading would be set to close above levels of 350W/m2 it would not be closed due to the averaging effects... This worries me. I have the following questions: Is it me doing something wrong? How can I stop this averaging? What are alternatives? Thanks in advance, Leo Bakker TNO Buildings and Construction research This e-mail and its contents are subject to the DISCLAIMER at http://www.tno.nl/disclaimer/email.html This e-mail and its contents are subject to the DISCLAIMER at http://www.tno.nl/disclaimer/email.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100310/9c863f5c/attachment-0001.html From aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk Wed Mar 10 14:01:55 2010 From: aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk (Aizaz Samuel) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:01:55 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Subroutines of espr In-Reply-To: <769816CA134B044B8E32CDC61489B4D371FF04@moappsvr5.wesm.ph> References: <769816CA134B044B8E32CDC61489B4D371FF04@moappsvr5.wesm.ph> Message-ID: <201003101401.55130.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> Michael, You will get the details you want by using grep e.g. from the esrubps directory grep -inI cfvar ./*F | grep -i 'c ' gives occurances of cfvar as comments nsinc is the timestep counter not a subroutine, there is no nsinctr and cfvar is the subroutine to determine sensed condition associated with a control -AIzaz On Wednesday 10 March 2010 12:12, Michael Dan B. Usman wrote: > Where can I find the following subroutines called inside subroutine > BCL05(PID control action)? Or in which fortran files are they coded? > > NSINC > NSINCTR > CFVAR > > The subroutines were called for the update of variables. > Thanks! From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Mar 10 18:58:34 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:58:34 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Open Holes in Surface In-Reply-To: <2E69B53CF81E2A43988A841A5B26799495904AF3D0@MXAMU12.adm.ds.fhnw.ch> References: , <2E69B53CF81E2A43988A841A5B26799495904AF3D0@MXAMU12.adm.ds.fhnw.ch> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A379E2BC@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> There MUST be a difference in a model prediction when changing from a normal construction to one which uses the fictitious material (unless the opening size is really really small) - a) the high conductivity should result in quite a bit of heat transfer b) the high solar transmission should allow in more solar gains (you should also be using the optical properties of fictitous) ESP-r requires a zone to be fully bounded with polygons so it will get very upset if the model is not bounded (e.g. you are trying to heat the universe). The typical approach is to make the construction of the hole with something which has a high conductivity and low density and high solar transmission and to set an infiltration rate that reflects the likely level of air mixing. And the idea about a flow network to enhance the flow through an opening is a good idea. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Hall Monika [monika.hall at fhnw.ch] Sent: 10 March 2010 12:40 To: Walsh, Cormac; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Open Holes in Surface Hi Cormac, you could calculate an open hole with an flow net work. You define with the flow net work an opening in the facade and conect this with an exterior note and the zone note. Regards Monika ________________________________ Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Walsh, Cormac Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. M?rz 2010 11:26 An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: [esp-r] Open Holes in Surface Hi, very simple question im sure, but im new to ESP-r, modelling an industrial units energy consumption. Is it possible to have a child surface in a zone which is just an open hole, such as a vent hole? i have tried using the "ficticious" material, but it seems to make no difference to the heat lossed from the building. Thanks for any help, Cormac Walsh, University of Aberdeen From paul at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Mar 11 08:57:54 2010 From: paul at esru.strath.ac.uk (Paul Strachan) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:57:54 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Climate smeared out In-Reply-To: <8ACA38FA71F78D4E9AF9FF08380A444E01BA1226@MAIL04.tsn.tno.nl> References: <8ACA38FA71F78D4E9AF9FF08380A444E01BA121D@MAIL04.tsn.tno.nl> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A379E2BA@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> <8ACA38FA71F78D4E9AF9FF08380A444E01BA1226@MAIL04.tsn.tno.nl> Message-ID: <4B98B092.4020609@esru.strath.ac.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100311/346e8892/attachment.html From c.walsh.08 at aberdeen.ac.uk Thu Mar 11 10:16:36 2010 From: c.walsh.08 at aberdeen.ac.uk (Walsh, Cormac) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 10:16:36 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Open Holes in Surface In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A379E2BC@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: , <2E69B53CF81E2A43988A841A5B26799495904AF3D0@MXAMU12.adm.ds.fhnw.ch>, <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A379E2BC@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: Thank you both very much. I will try both approaches today, and see how it works out. Thanks again, Cormac ________________________________________ From: Jon Hand [jon at esru.strath.ac.uk] Sent: 10 March 2010 18:58 To: Hall Monika; Walsh, Cormac; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: Open Holes in Surface There MUST be a difference in a model prediction when changing from a normal construction to one which uses the fictitious material (unless the opening size is really really small) - a) the high conductivity should result in quite a bit of heat transfer b) the high solar transmission should allow in more solar gains (you should also be using the optical properties of fictitous) ESP-r requires a zone to be fully bounded with polygons so it will get very upset if the model is not bounded (e.g. you are trying to heat the universe). The typical approach is to make the construction of the hole with something which has a high conductivity and low density and high solar transmission and to set an infiltration rate that reflects the likely level of air mixing. And the idea about a flow network to enhance the flow through an opening is a good idea. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Hall Monika [monika.hall at fhnw.ch] Sent: 10 March 2010 12:40 To: Walsh, Cormac; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Open Holes in Surface Hi Cormac, you could calculate an open hole with an flow net work. You define with the flow net work an opening in the facade and conect this with an exterior note and the zone note. Regards Monika ________________________________ Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Walsh, Cormac Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. M?rz 2010 11:26 An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: [esp-r] Open Holes in Surface Hi, very simple question im sure, but im new to ESP-r, modelling an industrial units energy consumption. Is it possible to have a child surface in a zone which is just an open hole, such as a vent hole? i have tried using the "ficticious" material, but it seems to make no difference to the heat lossed from the building. Thanks for any help, Cormac Walsh, University of Aberdeen From runabha at gmail.com Thu Mar 11 19:14:31 2010 From: runabha at gmail.com (Arunabha Sau) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:14:31 -0600 Subject: [esp-r] Re: esp-r Digest, Vol 44, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Mailing list, Did anybody generate PPD, PMV graphs for thermal comfort in ESP-r? What is the process to do it? Can anyone help, please? Thanks, Aru On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 11:30 AM, wrote: > Send esp-r mailing list submissions to > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk > > You can reach the person managing the list at > esp-r-owner at lists.strath.ac.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of esp-r digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Open Holes in Surface (Jon Hand) > 2. Re: Climate smeared out (Paul Strachan) > 3. Re: Open Holes in Surface (Walsh, Cormac) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:58:34 +0000 > From: Jon Hand > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Open Holes in Surface > To: Hall Monika , "Walsh, Cormac" > , "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" > > Message-ID: > < > 2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A379E2BC at E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > There MUST be a difference in a model prediction when > changing from a normal construction to one which uses the fictitious > material (unless the opening size is really really small) - > > a) the high conductivity should result in quite a bit of heat transfer > b) the high solar transmission should allow in more solar gains (you should > also > be using the optical properties of fictitous) > > ESP-r requires a zone to be fully bounded with polygons so it will > get very upset if the model is not bounded (e.g. you are trying to > heat the universe). The typical approach is to make the construction > of the hole with something which has a high conductivity and low > density and high solar transmission and to set an infiltration rate > that reflects the likely level of air mixing. > > And the idea about a flow network to enhance the flow through > an opening is a good idea. > > -Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Hall Monika [monika.hall at fhnw.ch] > Sent: 10 March 2010 12:40 > To: Walsh, Cormac; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Open Holes in Surface > > Hi Cormac, > > you could calculate an open hole with an flow net work. You define with the > flow net work an opening in the facade and conect this with an exterior note > and the zone note. > > Regards > Monika > > > ________________________________ > Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto: > esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Walsh, Cormac > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. M?rz 2010 11:26 > An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Betreff: [esp-r] Open Holes in Surface > > Hi, > very simple question im sure, but im new to ESP-r, > modelling an industrial units energy consumption. > > Is it possible to have a child surface in a zone which is just an open > hole, > such as a vent hole? i have tried using the "ficticious" material, > but it seems to make no difference to the heat lossed from the building. > > Thanks for any help, > > Cormac Walsh, > University of Aberdeen > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:57:54 +0000 > From: Paul Strachan > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Climate smeared out > To: "Bakker, L.G. (Leo)" > Cc: "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" > Message-ID: <4B98B092.4020609 at esru.strath.ac.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100311/346e8892/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 10:16:36 +0000 > From: "Walsh, Cormac" > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Open Holes in Surface > To: Jon Hand , Hall Monika > , "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" > > Message-ID: > < > EA826931B13A98468D32ADBC0B6943DF1D121C86 at DB2PRD0103MB038.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Thank you both very much. > I will try both approaches today, and see how it works out. > > Thanks again, > Cormac > ________________________________________ > From: Jon Hand [jon at esru.strath.ac.uk] > Sent: 10 March 2010 18:58 > To: Hall Monika; Walsh, Cormac; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: RE: Open Holes in Surface > > There MUST be a difference in a model prediction when > changing from a normal construction to one which uses the fictitious > material (unless the opening size is really really small) - > > a) the high conductivity should result in quite a bit of heat transfer > b) the high solar transmission should allow in more solar gains (you should > also > be using the optical properties of fictitous) > > ESP-r requires a zone to be fully bounded with polygons so it will > get very upset if the model is not bounded (e.g. you are trying to > heat the universe). The typical approach is to make the construction > of the hole with something which has a high conductivity and low > density and high solar transmission and to set an infiltration rate > that reflects the likely level of air mixing. > > And the idea about a flow network to enhance the flow through > an opening is a good idea. > > -Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Hall Monika [monika.hall at fhnw.ch] > Sent: 10 March 2010 12:40 > To: Walsh, Cormac; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Open Holes in Surface > > Hi Cormac, > > you could calculate an open hole with an flow net work. You define with the > flow net work an opening in the facade and conect this with an exterior note > and the zone note. > > Regards > Monika > > > ________________________________ > Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto: > esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Walsh, Cormac > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. M?rz 2010 11:26 > An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Betreff: [esp-r] Open Holes in Surface > > Hi, > very simple question im sure, but im new to ESP-r, > modelling an industrial units energy consumption. > > Is it possible to have a child surface in a zone which is just an open > hole, > such as a vent hole? i have tried using the "ficticious" material, > but it seems to make no difference to the heat lossed from the building. > > Thanks for any help, > > Cormac Walsh, > University of Aberdeen > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > End of esp-r Digest, Vol 44, Issue 12 > ************************************* > -- "Imagination is more important than knowledge." ? Albert Einstein -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards Achim --------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: "Walsh, Cormac" An: "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" Betreff: [esp-r] help Datum: 12/03/10 12:37 Is it possible to export results from ESP-r, Into a spreadsheet program such as Excel? thanks, Cormac UoA _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk (mailto:esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" class="autolink) http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r (http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r" target="_blank" class="autolink) ________________________________________________________________ Diese Mitteilung wurde von http://www.breitband.ch uebermittelt. Einer der schnellsten Kabel-Internet Zugaenge! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100312/9891b76d/attachment-0001.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Mar 12 16:43:04 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:43:04 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: How about a meeting of the ESP-r community at eSim 2010 in Manitoba in May In-Reply-To: <003601cac11e$d01e8080$705b8180$@carleton.ca> References: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A379E28C@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> <1329736A45A39E4987C6EBEEBE20E1AB138B4C4B1E@NRCCENMB3.nrc.ca>, <003601cac11e$d01e8080$705b8180$@carleton.ca> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D2A379E2C6@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Ian and Iain - seems like an evening get-together would be a good idea. I have little or no idea what NRCan and NRC and the Universities in Canada are wanting for future evolution. My wish list includes things like... a) dropping the old geometry file format so that we can move to longer names for entities and use free-format entries b) moving to casual gain schedules that support sub-hourly definitions and include useful information like metabolic rates c) consolidate several of the utility modules (move viewfactor calcs into the project manager and merge the micotoxin utility into the project manager and res). d) move to directly using the EPW cliamate data file (who needs random access climate data when we can scan and hold in memory)? e) rationalize the record format of the results analysis file so that large models require less space, more data slots for computed values are available and scanning of results files takes seconds rather than minutes. f) add an interface to the XML reporting specifications so that ordinary people can define useful reporting in the alternative format. g) move to a graphical definition of flow networks h) use user supplied attributes of surfaces e.g. Door, undercut crack to automatically populate flow networks i) improved export and import to DXF and other simulation tools j) extensions to the ESP-r META file format (for compact model descriptions) And there are many more that others might be thinking of and want to chat with others about. And eSim 2010 is a good venue for bouncing ideas around. Lets hear some more suggestions and get the community talking! Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: Ian Beausoleil-Morrison [ibeausol at mae.carleton.ca] Sent: 11 March 2010 13:29 To: 'Macdonald, Iain'; Jon Hand Cc: 'Evenson, Devin' Subject: RE: [esp-r] How about a meeting of the ESP-r community at eSim 2010 in Manitoba in May Jon / Iain, The gatherings we tried in Glasgow (2009) and Beijing (2007) were not terribly productive. For these we attempted to squeeze a meeting in during a conference lunch break, which does not work terribly well. People are busy during a conference so if we want to have a focused discussion (which I think would be very valuable), we really need to book a half or whole day. The big challenge will be convincing people to stick around for this (we tried in Beijing, but the response was poor). Alternatively, a more social gathering over a drink and a meal would be beneficial, but I would not bother trying to solicit presentations and technical discussions. - Ian > -----Original Message----- > From: Macdonald, Iain [mailto:Iain.Macdonald at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca] > Sent: March 5, 2010 7:56 > To: 'Jon Hand'; 'Ian Beausoleil-Morrison' > Cc: 'Evenson, Devin' > Subject: RE: [esp-r] How about a meeting of the ESP-r community at eSim 2010 > in Manitoba in May > > Jon, > > A workshop would be a great idea. I was frustrated at what appeared to be a > lack of agenda/objectives at the meeting in Glasgow. I think that we need to > define where ESP-r is going and also why it must change (e.g. common blocks > are on there way out and will not be supported in future years!). This needs > the community to get together and define common aims. > > Devin (cc'd) above is organising the conference and if you want to take the > lead with and ESP-r workshop then please work with Devin to get things worked > out. > > Iain > > -----Original Message----- > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r- > bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jon Hand > Sent: March 5, 2010 4:25 AM > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] How about a meeting of the ESP-r community at eSim 2010 in > Manitoba in May > > > That fun eSim conference of IBPSA Canada is going to be held in Manitoba 19- > 20 May > of this year. I am planning on taking part in the conference and there may > be others > in the ESP-r development or user community who will also be at eSim 2010. > > At a minimum we should plan on getting together for a beer and sharing > stories, > a slightly grander scheme could be to plan a dinner meeting so that there was > more time for discussions. And what about a one-two hour > discussion/roundtable during > the conference so we can discover who is doing what, ideas for the future and > some > critical networking. > > And if there is interest and a venue that can be arranged I would be willing > to arrive > just before or stay just after the conference for a workshop. Topics might > include > source code control (which makes some folk cross-eyed), the new and evolving > META file format which several 3rd party developers are using for > communications > with ESP-r, network flow and controls. And you might have additional > ideas.... > > So.... have a think and shout out your suggestions and hopefully there will > be many opportunities at eSim! > > Regards, Jon Hand > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From esim at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca Tue Mar 16 17:18:21 2010 From: esim at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca (ES.SE ESim) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:18:21 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] eSim 2010 Registration Now Open Message-ID: IBPSA-Canada's biennial conference, eSim, brings together professionals, academics and students interested in building performance simulation issues and applications. The 2010 conference is hosted by Manitoba Hydro, in collaboration with the National Research Council of Canada. It will be held in Winnipeg, Canada on May 19 and 20, 2010 (pre-conference and post-conference workshops on May 18 and 21, 2010). Please visit www.esim.ca to register. Conference Keynote Speakers Professor Ian Beausoleil-Morrison of Carleton University and Thomas Auer, Managing Director and Partner of Transsolar GmBH have been confirmed as the Keynote Speakers of eSim 2010. Ian has a rich experience of simulation tool development and use in Canada and internationally, notably leading the successful IEA Annex 42 (Simulation of Building-Integrated Fuel Cell and Other Cogeneration Systems). Thomas has developed energy and building services concepts for projects around the world noted for their innovative design and low energy use. Manitoba Hydro Place is one such example of where Thomas' firm has utilized simulation to design what is considered one of the most energy efficient high rise buildings in North America. The conference organizers are excited to have both Ian and Thomas as part of the conference as they are both highly regarded within the industry. Software Demos The following software packages have been accepted for the conference software demo sessions: The Virtual Environment Pete Murray IES Ltd EnergyGauge suite of software Mangesh Basarkar Florida Solar Energy Center DesignBuilder Software Mahabir Bhandari DesignBuilder Software, USA SIMEB Jocelyn Millette Hydro-Qu?bec ESP-r and Revit interface Dr. Jon W. Hand University of Strathclyde, Glasgow Energy Profile Tool Curt Hepting EnerSys Analytics Inc. TRACE 700 Michael S. Patterson Trane Pre and Post Workshops The following workshops will be held in conjunction with the eSim 2010: Introduction to TRNSYS (May 18th) Introduction to eQUEST / CAN-QUEST (May 18th) Daylighting Simulation (May 21st AM) For additional information on eSim 2010 please visit www.esim.ca . 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On 12 March 2010 11:04, Walsh, Cormac wrote: > Is it possible to export results from ESP-r, > Into a spreadsheet program such as Excel? > > thanks, > Cormac > UoA > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100318/1d2ad4dc/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: input.xml Type: text/xml Size: 1165 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100318/1d2ad4dc/attachment.xml From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Mar 18 18:51:52 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:51:52 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: help exporting data. Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D9E1463971@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> And you can also export comma or tab separated or space column data from within the results analysis application (res)- essentially you are re-directing the reporting from the application feedback to a file. You select the columns of data (up to 20-24 columns) you want in the order you want. Anything you can graph should be also available in the timestep reports menu. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of anthony none [anthonynone at gmail.com] Sent: 18 March 2010 18:11 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] help ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: anthony maitos > Date: 18 March 2010 17:57 Subject: Re: [esp-r] help To: "Walsh, Cormac" > The easiest option is probably the one involving xml. You can use the attached file (insert in the .cfg folder of your model) and initially output the csv to a dictionary. Then from the dictionary choose only the variables you need (as in the attached .xml file). Their values shall be exported to the .csv file, for most of the save options you choose. Regards, Antony Maitos. On 12 March 2010 11:04, Walsh, Cormac > wrote: Is it possible to export results from ESP-r, Into a spreadsheet program such as Excel? thanks, Cormac UoA _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From koji_takemasa at me.com Sat Mar 20 03:02:03 2010 From: koji_takemasa at me.com (=?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCSXBALxsoQiAbJEI5JzwjGyhC?=) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:02:03 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] build esp-r with snow leopard and fink Message-ID: Hello. I tried build of esp-r with Snow Leopard and fink. Esp-r that does build uses GTK Library. This esp-r was converted with tar.gz. Please teach this if there are necessary one. It up-loads it to my homepage. --- ?koji_takemasa at me.com? ? LEAD Project from 2009 ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100320/a604e5ca/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Sat Mar 20 10:16:56 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:16:56 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: build esp-r with snow leopard and fink In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D9E146397E@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Snow Leopard is using newer XCode compilers and is also the first pure 64 bit executables running on OSX. There are some known issues with 64 bit which have been corrected with code that is not yet in the standard release. This is work in progress. Once we have it working we can release a version for testing. It might be possible to work with an older Leopard (10.5) version. This needs to be tested. It is not clear from the message - what is the source of the tar.gz file? Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ?? ?? [koji_takemasa at me.com] Sent: 20 March 2010 03:02 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] build esp-r with snow leopard and fink Hello. I tried build of esp-r with Snow Leopard and fink. Esp-r that does build uses GTK Library. This esp-r was converted with tar.gz. Please teach this if there are necessary one. It up-loads it to my homepage. --- ?koji_takemasa at me.com? ? LEAD Project from 2009 ? From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Sun Mar 21 09:29:16 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:29:16 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: build esp-r with snow leopard and fink In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D9E146397E@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D9E146397E@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <3090751F-868C-4E87-9CF4-16EBD17F5FD1@intergga.ch> I can confirm that XCode / Leopard 10.5 works with the current development_branch (gcc4-series + gfortran). I have successfully compiled both X11 (which should be preferred) and GTK. Regards Achim On Mar 20, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Jon Hand wrote: > > Snow Leopard is using newer XCode compilers and is also the first > pure 64 bit executables > running on OSX. There are some known issues with 64 bit which have > been corrected > with code that is not yet in the standard release. > > This is work in progress. Once we have it working we can release a > version for > testing. > > It might be possible to work with an older Leopard (10.5) version. > This needs to be > tested. > > It is not clear from the message - what is the source of the tar.gz > file? > > Regards, Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > ] On Behalf Of ?? ?? [koji_takemasa at me.com] > Sent: 20 March 2010 03:02 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] build esp-r with snow leopard and fink > > Hello. I tried build of esp-r with Snow Leopard and fink. Esp-r that > does build uses GTK Library. This esp-r was converted with tar.gz. > Please teach this if there are necessary one. It up-loads it to my > homepage. > --- > ?koji_takemasa at me.com? > ? LEAD Project from 2009 ? > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > achim.geissler at intergga.ch From mdbusman at wesm.ph Mon Mar 22 07:46:15 2010 From: mdbusman at wesm.ph (Michael Dan B. Usman) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 15:46:15 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] Temperature of zone components Message-ID: <769816CA134B044B8E32CDC61489B4D371FF11@moappsvr5.wesm.ph> Hello, I'm wondering, where I can find the temperature of the zone components (walls, ceiling, floor, windows) after simulation? I get the room temperature of each zone only. I am using the latest native windows version. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am using the latest native windows version. > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100322/f3b3a632/attachment.html From c.walsh.08 at aberdeen.ac.uk Mon Mar 22 16:06:52 2010 From: c.walsh.08 at aberdeen.ac.uk (Walsh, Cormac) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:06:52 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Dynamic Insulation Message-ID: I am trying to create a construction material and composition which includes an air permeable material, to use as a dynamic insulation to simulate a "breathing building" construction for my Thesis. How should i go about setting this up, as energy and materials technology are not my general area of study. also, when setting up control loops, am i right in saying that for a basic heat/cool control, the applied heat energy in watts is the amount applied per time step? ie, per hour? thank you, Cormac Walsh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Alex Ferguson Sustainable Buildings and Communities (Housing Group) CanmetENERGY Natural Resources Canada P:+1 613 995 3294 F:+1 613 996 9909 Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca ________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Walsh, Cormac Sent: March 22, 2010 12:07 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Dynamic Insulation I am trying to create a construction material and composition which includes an air permeable material, to use as a dynamic insulation to simulate a "breathing building" construction for my Thesis. How should i go about setting this up, as energy and materials technology are not my general area of study. also, when setting up control loops, am i right in saying that for a basic heat/cool control, the applied heat energy in watts is the amount applied per time step? ie, per hour? thank you, Cormac Walsh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100322/ba549a9d/attachment.html From aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk Mon Mar 22 20:45:49 2010 From: aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk (Aizaz Samuel) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:45:49 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Dynamic Insulation In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Cormac, You may wish to look up my MSc dissertation (on the same subject) at the ESRU website. Interestingly I did this work with M Imbabi of Aberdeen University. I used an approximate method using thin zones. There is potential in extending the work using a better (first principles) approach. Regards, Aizaz Samuel ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ferguson, Alex [Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca] Sent: 22 March 2010 19:18 To: Walsh, Cormac; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Dynamic Insulation Hi Cormac, We can better answer your question if you provide more detail on your research: * What do you hope to learn from modelling this technology? * How is the envelope constructed? * What pathway will airflow take through the wall? * What magnitude of air flow do you expect through the wall?is it the same order of magnitude as the ventilation load, or many orders smaller? Alex Ferguson Sustainable Buildings and Communities (Housing Group) CanmetENERGY Natural Resources Canada P:+1 613 995 3294 F:+1 613 996 9909 Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca ________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Walsh, Cormac Sent: March 22, 2010 12:07 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Dynamic Insulation I am trying to create a construction material and composition which includes an air permeable material, to use as a dynamic insulation to simulate a "breathing building" construction for my Thesis. How should i go about setting this up, as energy and materials technology are not my general area of study. also, when setting up control loops, am i right in saying that for a basic heat/cool control, the applied heat energy in watts is the amount applied per time step? ie, per hour? thank you, Cormac Walsh From ptavares at mail.isec.pt Mon Mar 29 16:09:17 2010 From: ptavares at mail.isec.pt (Paulo Tavares) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:09:17 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Doubts about obstructions/shading Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20100329160008.017d8028@pop.isec.pt> Dear all, I have two doubts about obstructions/shading in my model. The first one is when i made a simple block representing an adjacent building i receive the next message: FAILURE: in ../zones/z1.geo: *block_start, 0 0 the opq grid X value (0) < allowable minimum 4! FAILURE: in ../zones/z1.geo: *block_start, 0 0 the opq grid Z value (0) < allowable minimum 4! What could be the reason for this? How can i solve it? The other doubt is how i model the building self-shading? My model is a cube but has a "hole" (courtyard) at the center. Regards, Paulo Tavares From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Mar 29 16:15:35 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:15:35 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Doubts about obstructions/shading In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20100329160008.017d8028@pop.isec.pt> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20100329160008.017d8028@pop.isec.pt> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D9E14639B0@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> The two numbers following the *block_start define the density of the grid to be placed on each surface for purposes of shading calculations. If you go into the project manager and look at the top line of the menu which relates to obstruction definitions you should see an entry that includes the word 'grid'. Make these non-zero and save and then re-generate your shading and/or insolation calculations. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Paulo Tavares [ptavares at mail.isec.pt] Sent: 29 March 2010 16:09 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Doubts about obstructions/shading Dear all, I have two doubts about obstructions/shading in my model. The first one is when i made a simple block representing an adjacent building i receive the next message: FAILURE: in ../zones/z1.geo: *block_start, 0 0 the opq grid X value (0) < allowable minimum 4! FAILURE: in ../zones/z1.geo: *block_start, 0 0 the opq grid Z value (0) < allowable minimum 4! What could be the reason for this? How can i solve it? The other doubt is how i model the building self-shading? My model is a cube but has a "hole" (courtyard) at the center. Regards, Paulo Tavares _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From manzan at units.it Mon Mar 29 18:19:11 2010 From: manzan at units.it (Marco Manzan) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:19:11 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Doubts about obstructions/shading In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201003291919.11241.manzan@units.it> Alle luned? 29 marzo 2010, esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk ha scritto: > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Paulo Tavares [ptavares at mail.isec.pt] Sent: 29 March 2010 > 16:09 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Doubts about obstructions/shading > > Dear all, > > I have two doubts about obstructions/shading in my model. > > The first one is when i made a simple block representing an adjacent > building i receive the next message: > > FAILURE: in ../zones/z1.geo: *block_start, 0 0 > the opq grid X value (0) < allowable minimum 4! > FAILURE: in ../zones/z1.geo: *block_start, 0 0 > the opq grid Z value (0) < allowable minimum 4! > > What could be the reason for this? How can i solve it? > > The other doubt is how i model the building self-shading? My model is a > cube but has a "hole" (courtyard) at the center. > > Regards, > > Paulo Tavares > dear Paulo for the second part of your question there is not self-shading in esp-r, you have to insert additional blocks to represent the building for each zone. I think you have at least 4 zones for the four sides of the courtyard, so for each zone add the others 3 zones as obstruction blocks. regards Marco -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria Navale, del Mare e per l'Ambiente | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| From hwan at dasskorea.com Tue Mar 30 05:33:10 2010 From: hwan at dasskorea.com (=?EUC-KR?B?sei5zsiv?=) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:33:10 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] how to check link btw construction db and optical db Message-ID: Hi all At the second line of construction database file such as multicon.db1, there is a note '# based on materials db ..\dbs\constr.db1' which shows the link btw construction db and material db. Is there any way to check *link btw construction db and optical db *after both files are replaced in ESP-r database management menu *?* * * Your advice will be appreciated. Regards Mark Kim -- Researcher, Integrated Simulation Team, DASS Solutions Co., Ltd. 355-22 Seogyo-dong Mapo-gu Seoul (121-838 Korea) T. 82.2.913.2585/ F. 82.2.949.2585/ H. www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100330/8896b3b3/attachment.html From hwan at dasskorea.com Tue Mar 30 08:44:42 2010 From: hwan at dasskorea.com (=?EUC-KR?B?sei5zsiv?=) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:44:42 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] problems in tmc, opr files when copying zone Message-ID: Hi all I'm currently using ESP-r release 11.8. windows version. Did anyone encounter problems in tmc, opr files when copying zone? More specifically when I copy all source files, I found that data in new TMC file were not properly copied from the original TMC file. And operation file does not work, though it seemed properly copied from original file. It says 'Unable to free error channel!' and the new opr file was appeared as 'older'. If I save the opr file again, the message disappear, but it still remains as 'older'. So I had to manually copy TMC and OPR file from original one and change the name. I wonder this can be improved. Any comments will be appreciated. For your reference, I attach model file. Regards Mark Kim -- Researcher, Integrated Simulation Team, DASS Solutions Co., Ltd. 355-22 Seogyo-dong Mapo-gu Seoul (121-838 Korea) T. 82.2.913.2585/ F. 82.2.949.2585/ H. www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100330/3c820125/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: mark_model.zip Type: application/zip Size: 6177 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100330/3c820125/attachment.zip From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Mar 30 09:14:15 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:14:15 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: how to check link btw construction db and optical db In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D9E14639B5@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> The primary reference to the optical database is found in the model configuration file. The line written into the construction database is a comment added when that file was written out. If you generate a model QA report and have the databases toggle turned to verbose it will tell you the full set of thermophysical and optical properties used for each construction. There are a number of ways of checking for problems and differences in addition to generating the model QA report. If you attempt to run a simulation there are checks made before the simulation is started and as the simulation runs. For example if you have a 4 layer construction that makes reference to an optical set that has three layers then you should get a warning. Usually if you alter a construction the project manager will ask if you want to re=build your zone construction files. As these are created all of the current databases will be scanned and the current information incorporated into the model files. Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? [hwan at dasskorea.com] Sent: 30 March 2010 05:33 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] how to check link btw construction db and optical db Hi all At the second line of construction database file such as multicon.db1, there is a note '# based on materials db ..\dbs\constr.db1' which shows the link btw construction db and material db. Is there any way to check link btw construction db and optical db after both files are replaced in ESP-r database management menu ? Your advice will be appreciated. Regards Mark Kim -- Researcher, Integrated Simulation Team, DASS Solutions Co., Ltd. 355-22 Seogyo-dong Mapo-gu Seoul (121-838 Korea) T. 82.2.913.2585/ F. 82.2.949.2585/ H. www.dasskorea.com From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Mar 30 09:15:48 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:15:48 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: problems in tmc, opr files when copying zone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D9E14639B6@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> This is a bug that has been fixed and is waiting to get into the development branch. If you have been using the Native Windows version or the Cygwin version of ESP-r there are BETA versions now available on the ESRU download page that incorporate these patches. Do not worry about unable to free error channel warnings. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? [hwan at dasskorea.com] Sent: 30 March 2010 08:44 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] problems in tmc, opr files when copying zone Hi all I'm currently using ESP-r release 11.8. windows version. Did anyone encounter problems in tmc, opr files when copying zone? More specifically when I copy all source files, I found that data in new TMC file were not properly copied from the original TMC file. And operation file does not work, though it seemed properly copied from original file. It says 'Unable to free error channel!' and the new opr file was appeared as 'older'. If I save the opr file again, the message disappear, but it still remains as 'older'. So I had to manually copy TMC and OPR file from original one and change the name. I wonder this can be improved. Any comments will be appreciated. For your reference, I attach model file. Regards Mark Kim -- Researcher, Integrated Simulation Team, DASS Solutions Co., Ltd. 355-22 Seogyo-dong Mapo-gu Seoul (121-838 Korea) T. 82.2.913.2585/ F. 82.2.949.2585/ H. www.dasskorea.com From hwan at dasskorea.com Tue Mar 30 07:34:57 2010 From: hwan at dasskorea.com (=?EUC-KR?B?sei5zsiv?=) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:34:57 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] importing ascii climate data Message-ID: Hi all I'm currently using ESP-r release 11.8. windows version. I'm trying to import ascii format weather data into espr. The file has 6 columns # col 1: Diffuse solar on the horizontal (W/m**2) # col 2: External dry bulb temperature (Tenths DEG.C) # col 3: Direct normal solar intensity (W/m**2) # col 4: Prevailing wind speed (Tenths m/s) # col 5: Wind direction (clockwise deg from north) # col 6: Relative humidity (Percent) Each column was divided by tab, and day and month are not marked, just 8,760 line. When I try ascii >> binary import, it asked me paths of ascii climate file and bin file which will be made. When I browse the newly made bin file, all data were zero. So while I was browsing the data, I try once again to import from ascii. I choose ASCii espr format. When I choose the same ascii weather file again, not update latitudes, no demarcation (since day and month are not marked), the machine stopped. Do you have a comment for me to deal with this problem? Is it because I didn't put additional lines in front such as below? *CLIMATE # ascii climate file from C:/Esru/esp-r/climate/KOR_SeoulAB binary db, # defined in: C:/Esru/esp-r/climate/KOR_SeoulAB.a # col 1: Diffuse solar on the horizontal (W/m**2) # col 2: External dry bulb temperature (Tenths DEG.C) # col 3: Direct normal solar intensity (W/m**2) # col 4: Prevailing wind speed (Tenths m/s) # col 5: Wind direction (clockwise deg from north) # col 6: Relative humidity (Percent) ESP kier climate # site name 1983,37.34,8.42,0 # year, latitude, long diff, direct normal rad flag 1,365 # period (julian days) FYI, I attach example file. Regards Mark Kim -- Researcher, Integrated Simulation Team, DASS Solutions Co., Ltd. 355-22 Seogyo-dong Mapo-gu Seoul (121-838 Korea) T. 82.2.913.2585/ F. 82.2.949.2585/ H. www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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0.99 255.56 77.00 200.00 23.00 67.50 0.72 136.11 86.00 72.22 20.00 67.50 0.26 13.89 82.00 0.00 23.00 67.50 0.00 0.00 78.00 0.00 23.00 67.50 0.00 0.00 74.00 0.00 20.00 67.50 0.00 0.00 75.67 0.00 18.00 67.50 0.00 0.00 77.33 0.00 23.00 67.50 0.00 0.00 79.00 0.00 20.00 67.50 0.00 0.00 78.67 0.00 12.00 67.50 0.00 0.00 78.33 0.00 13.00 67.50 0.00 0.00 78.00 0.00 13.00 67.50 0.00 0.00 77.75 0.00 17.00 45.00 0.00 0.00 77.50 0.00 15.00 45.00 0.00 0.00 84.00 0.00 17.00 45.00 0.00 0.00 90.00 0.00 10.00 112.50 0.00 0.00 96.00 0.00 12.00 225.00 0.00 0.00 102.00 0.00 30.00 225.00 0.00 0.00 99.67 0.00 32.00 247.50 0.00 2.78 97.33 0.00 50.00 225.00 0.00 27.78 95.00 5.56 42.00 247.50 0.02 55.56 91.33 5.56 38.00 247.50 0.02 50.00 87.67 2.78 45.00 247.50 0.01 33.33 84.00 0.00 42.00 270.00 0.00 30.56 85.33 0.00 40.00 292.50 0.00 66.67 86.67 5.56 25.00 270.00 0.02 108.33 88.00 36.11 23.00 292.50 0.13 88.89 86.00 97.22 13.00 247.50 0.35 33.33 84.00 352.78 20.00 247.50 1.27 0.00 82.00 0.00 40.00 247.50 0.00 0.00 74.67 0.00 25.00 270.00 0.00 0.00 67.33 0.00 23.00 292.50 0.00 0.00 60.00 0.00 15.00 270.00 0.00 0.00 56.33 0.00 18.00 270.00 0.00 0.00 52.67 0.00 18.00 225.00 0.00 0.00 49.00 0.00 23.00 247.50 0.00 0.00 49.42 0.00 20.00 247.50 0.00 0.00 49.83 0.00 28.00 247.50 0.00 0.00 39.00 0.00 12.00 270.00 0.00 0.00 36.67 0.00 12.00 292.50 0.00 0.00 34.33 0.00 2.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 32.00 0.00 8.00 225.00 0.00 0.00 33.67 0.00 10.00 202.50 0.00 11.11 35.33 55.56 17.00 247.50 0.20 88.89 37.00 116.67 15.00 292.50 0.42 188.89 45.67 200.00 15.00 225.00 0.72 350.00 54.33 541.67 17.00 225.00 1.95 369.44 63.00 447.22 18.00 270.00 1.61 411.11 68.00 591.67 33.00 270.00 2.13 386.11 73.00 658.33 38.00 247.50 2.37 319.44 78.00 744.44 37.00 270.00 2.68 191.67 72.33 711.11 33.00 270.00 2.56 83.33 66.67 238.89 28.00 247.50 0.86 0.00 61.00 0.00 33.00 247.50 0.00 0.00 58.00 0.00 17.00 225.00 0.00 0.00 55.00 0.00 13.00 202.50 0.00 0.00 52.00 0.00 7.00 202.50 0.00 0.00 50.00 0.00 12.00 22.50 0.00 0.00 48.00 0.00 17.00 45.00 0.00 0.00 46.00 0.00 13.00 45.00 0.00 0.00 46.08 0.00 17.00 45.00 0.00 0.00 46.17 0.00 10.00 45.00 0.00 0.00 44.00 0.00 17.00 67.50 0.00 0.00 44.00 0.00 13.00 67.50 0.00 0.00 44.00 0.00 17.00 45.00 0.00 0.00 44.00 0.00 17.00 45.00 0.00 0.00 45.67 0.00 15.00 45.00 0.00 0.00 47.33 0.00 17.00 67.50 0.00 13.89 49.00 0.00 17.00 67.50 0.00 55.56 56.33 5.56 20.00 45.00 0.02 105.56 63.67 16.67 15.00 67.50 0.06 163.89 71.00 38.89 20.00 67.50 0.14 286.11 81.67 188.89 12.00 67.50 0.68 272.22 92.33 230.56 20.00 67.50 0.83 252.78 103.00 408.33 15.00 67.50 1.47 158.33 95.67 441.67 12.00 90.00 1.59 52.78 88.33 825.00 20.00 67.50 2.97 0.00 81.00 0.00 20.00 45.00 0.00 0.00 76.33 0.00 20.00 67.50 0.00 0.00 71.67 0.00 15.00 45.00 0.00 0.00 67.00 0.00 8.00 67.50 0.00 0.00 68.33 0.00 20.00 45.00 0.00 0.00 69.67 0.00 18.00 67.50 0.00 0.00 71.00 0.00 18.00 45.00 0.00 0.00 71.25 0.00 12.00 67.50 0.00 0.00 71.50 0.00 17.00 45.00 0.00 0.00 65.00 0.00 10.00 67.50 0.00 0.00 64.33 0.00 17.00 45.00 0.00 0.00 63.67 0.00 20.00 45.00 0.00 0.00 63.00 0.00 8.00 45.00 0.00 0.00 67.67 0.00 12.00 45.00 0.00 38.89 72.33 230.56 15.00 45.00 0.83 63.89 77.00 44.44 13.00 45.00 0.16 75.00 87.00 13.89 7.00 90.00 0.05 91.67 97.00 11.11 15.00 202.50 0.04 102.78 107.00 11.11 15.00 247.50 0.04 108.33 110.33 11.11 28.00 247.50 0.04 127.78 113.67 27.78 30.00 247.50 0.10 227.78 117.00 305.56 28.00 247.50 1.10 175.00 112.33 552.78 20.00 247.50 1.99 69.44 107.67 241.67 25.00 247.50 0.87 0.00 103.00 0.00 22.00 247.50 0.00 0.00 92.33 0.00 15.00 247.50 0.00 0.00 81.67 0.00 17.00 247.50 0.00 0.00 71.00 0.00 20.00 292.50 0.00 0.00 67.00 0.00 28.00 292.50 0.00 0.00 63.00 0.00 28.00 270.00 0.00 0.00 59.00 0.00 5.00 22.50 0.00 0.00 58.79 0.00 17.00 67.50 0.00 0.00 58.58 0.00 15.00 90.00 0.00 0.00 64.00 0.00 17.00 45.00 0.00 0.00 60.67 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 57.33 0.00 2.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 54.00 0.00 10.00 67.50 0.00 0.00 54.67 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 22.22 55.33 325.00 25.00 67.50 1.17 58.33 56.00 36.11 32.00 67.50 0.13 177.78 66.67 163.89 27.00 90.00 0.59 327.78 77.33 441.67 13.00 67.50 1.59 361.11 88.00 405.56 7.00 90.00 1.46 350.00 86.67 347.22 27.00 202.50 1.25 311.11 85.33 344.44 28.00 202.50 1.24 191.67 84.00 172.22 52.00 292.50 0.62 105.56 72.67 136.11 35.00 270.00 0.49 55.56 61.33 766.67 47.00 270.00 2.76 0.00 50.00 0.00 33.00 270.00 0.00 0.00 48.00 0.00 50.00 292.50 0.00 0.00 46.00 0.00 40.00 315.00 0.00 0.00 44.00 0.00 32.00 337.50 0.00 0.00 29.33 0.00 35.00 315.00 0.00 0.00 14.67 0.00 57.00 315.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 63.00 315.00 0.00 0.00 1.67 0.00 53.00 315.00 0.00 0.00 3.33 0.00 52.00 315.00 0.00 0.00 -40.00 0.00 83.00 315.00 0.00 0.00 -48.00 0.00 82.00 292.50 0.00 0.00 -56.00 0.00 62.00 315.00 0.00 0.00 -64.00 0.00 63.00 292.50 0.00 0.00 -67.33 0.00 43.00 315.00 0.00 5.56 -70.67 8.33 50.00 292.50 0.03 158.33 -74.00 544.44 65.00 292.50 1.96 313.89 -68.33 761.11 57.00 292.50 2.74 383.33 -62.67 661.11 45.00 292.50 2.38 413.89 -57.00 591.67 52.00 292.50 2.13 452.78 -51.00 716.67 50.00 292.50 2.58 433.33 -45.00 808.33 45.00 270.00 2.91 319.44 -39.00 702.78 50.00 292.50 2.53 208.33 -44.00 763.89 40.00 292.50 2.75 27.78 -49.00 130.56 40.00 292.50 0.47 0.00 -54.00 0.00 37.00 292.50 0.00 0.00 -60.00 0.00 45.00 292.50 0.00 0.00 -66.00 0.00 47.00 292.50 0.00 0.00 -72.00 0.00 47.00 292.50 0.00 0.00 -76.67 0.00 10.00 315.00 0.00 0.00 -81.33 0.00 43.00 292.50 0.00 0.00 -86.00 0.00 32.00 292.50 0.00 0.00 -85.54 0.00 22.00 292.50 0.00 0.00 -85.08 0.00 15.00 292.50 0.00 0.00 -97.00 0.00 3.00 22.50 0.00 0.00 -97.67 0.00 7.00 315.00 0.00 0.00 -98.33 0.00 13.00 292.50 0.00 0.00 -99.00 0.00 13.00 45.00 0.00 0.00 -98.00 0.00 7.00 45.00 0.00 2.78 -97.00 0.00 10.00 22.50 0.00 97.22 -96.00 147.22 15.00 67.50 0.53 227.78 -78.67 355.56 18.00 45.00 1.28 275.00 -61.33 247.22 7.00 45.00 0.89 308.33 -44.00 230.56 7.00 247.50 0.83 311.11 -32.00 227.78 10.00 225.00 0.82 311.11 -20.00 330.56 7.00 225.00 1.19 272.22 -8.00 466.67 15.00 337.50 1.68 147.22 -12.00 297.22 10.00 225.00 1.07 30.56 -10.58 152.78 9.88 225.00 0.55 0.00 -9.17 0.00 9.75 0.00 0.00 0.00 -7.75 0.00 9.63 0.00 0.00 0.00 -6.33 0.00 9.50 337.50 0.00 0.00 -4.92 0.00 9.38 0.00 0.00 0.00 -3.50 0.00 9.25 22.50 0.00 0.00 -2.08 0.00 9.13 45.00 0.00 0.00 -0.67 0.00 9.00 45.00 0.00 From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Mar 30 14:18:57 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:18:57 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: importing ascii climate data In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D9E14639BA@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> The attached text file does not follow the pattern required by ASCII format ESP-r files. The attached file looks like: 0.00 0.75 0.00 8.88 45.00 0.00 <- the first line of the file 0.00 2.17 0.00 8.75 45.00 0.00 0.00 3.58 0.00 8.63 45.00 0.00 0.00 5.00 0.00 8.50 90.00 0.00 0.00 6.42 0.00 8.38 90.00 0.00 0.00 7.83 0.00 8.25 67.50 0.00 0.00 9.25 0.00 8.13 45.00 0.00 0.00 10.67 0.00 8.00 67.50 0.00 0.00 10.00 0.00 12.00 45.00 0.00 8.33 15.33 0.00 15.00 67.50 0.00 58.33 20.67 2.78 12.00 67.50 0.01 72.22 26.00 2.78 17.00 45.00 0.01 50.00 31.33 0.00 3.00 45.00 0.00 16.67 36.67 0.00 3.00 292.50 0.00 and a typical ASCII version of an ESP-r file looks like: *CLIMATE # ascii climate file from aus_sydney_iwec binary db, # defined in: aus_sydney_iwec.a # col 1: Diffuse solar on the horizontal (W/m**2) # col 2: External dry bulb temperature (Tenths DEG.C) # col 3: Direct normal solar intensity (W/m**2) # col 4: Prevailing wind speed (Tenths m/s) # col 5: Wind direction (clockwise deg from north) # col 6: Relative humidity (Percent) SYDNEY Australia IWEC 947670 # site name 2001,-33.95,1.18,0 # year latitude long diff rad flag 1,365 # period (julian days) * day 1 month 1 0,213,0,46,140,69 0,210,0,51,140,68 0,208,0,51,140,69 0,206,0,36,150,71 0,204,0,31,190,73 28,203,0,31,190,76 126,200,8,15,200,73 239,210,29,26,190,69 327,205,65,26,190,68 410,217,334,23,190,64 368,230,599,21,150,61 313,229,754,21,150,59 Note: the data is comma separate and are integers and there is a header before the hourly data begins. The lines with * day 1 month 1 are optional. Essentially the differences in the number format are confusing the clm module and clm is expecting to read lines with a similar format to the header so that it can determine site information. There are many existing ESP-r ASCII climate files to be found in the src/climate folder of the source distribution. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? [hwan at dasskorea.com] Sent: 30 March 2010 07:34 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] importing ascii climate data Hi all I'm currently using ESP-r release 11.8. windows version. I'm trying to import ascii format weather data into espr. The file has 6 columns # col 1: Diffuse solar on the horizontal (W/m**2) # col 2: External dry bulb temperature (Tenths DEG.C) # col 3: Direct normal solar intensity (W/m**2) # col 4: Prevailing wind speed (Tenths m/s) # col 5: Wind direction (clockwise deg from north) # col 6: Relative humidity (Percent) Each column was divided by tab, and day and month are not marked, just 8,760 line. When I try ascii >> binary import, it asked me paths of ascii climate file and bin file which will be made. When I browse the newly made bin file, all data were zero. So while I was browsing the data, I try once again to import from ascii. I choose ASCii espr format. When I choose the same ascii weather file again, not update latitudes, no demarcation (since day and month are not marked), the machine stopped. Do you have a comment for me to deal with this problem? Is it because I didn't put additional lines in front such as below? *CLIMATE # ascii climate file from C:/Esru/esp-r/climate/KOR_SeoulAB binary db, # defined in: C:/Esru/esp-r/climate/KOR_SeoulAB.a # col 1: Diffuse solar on the horizontal (W/m**2) # col 2: External dry bulb temperature (Tenths DEG.C) # col 3: Direct normal solar intensity (W/m**2) # col 4: Prevailing wind speed (Tenths m/s) # col 5: Wind direction (clockwise deg from north) # col 6: Relative humidity (Percent) ESP kier climate # site name 1983,37.34,8.42,0 # year, latitude, long diff, direct normal rad flag 1,365 # period (julian days) FYI, I attach example file. Regards Mark Kim -- Researcher, Integrated Simulation Team, DASS Solutions Co., Ltd. 355-22 Seogyo-dong Mapo-gu Seoul (121-838 Korea) T. 82.2.913.2585/ F. 82.2.949.2585/ H. www.dasskorea.com From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Mar 31 08:39:10 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 08:39:10 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] BETA version of ESP-r 11.8 available for download Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D9E14639BC@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> For those of you running ESP-r on Native Windows or under Cygwin we have added new BETA versions of ESP-r installers which include a number of bug fixes and extensions to the standard 11.8 version. Below is a summary of the changes included.... Regards, Jon Hand Notes about 11.8 BETA version of ESP-r - Extend the ESP-r META file to include extended zone rotation directives (point of rotation) and to relax model complexity limitations. Underlying data structures revised. Users can now export to META files from large ESP-r models. - Extend the support Integrated Performance Views for larger models. Up to 72 zones can now be associated with a performance metric or demand set. - Update the user interface to databases so that each database (other than climate) have the same functions for browsing folders (in GTK version) and copying files. Documentation updated and extensive testing carried out. Users will notice a number of tasks are easier. Developers will find a more consistent and more compact code base. Most databases references in the model configuration file use a different token to identify databases located in the standard distribution folder (makes models easier to move between computers). File name lengths have been extended for materials, constructions and misc components, databases. - Revisions to allow constructions with up to a dozen layers to be maintained. Useful for massive or complex constructions. Add materials from the IBO PassivHaus book and correct duplicate names in materials databases (materials names must now be unique). Testing identified several errors in database interfaces which have been corrected. - Consolidate most of the code that deals with opening of databases in ESP-r models. Developers will notice hundreds of lines of duplicate code removed and users will not notice. - Update climate import facility for EPW files to match the specific format of climate files purchased from CIBSE as well as newer additions to the US DoE climate sets. - Fixed a bug in drawing zones which had been defined via the click-on-bitmap facility so that they are correctly displayed. A related bug was also fixed for redrawing zones after a zone copy. - Update exemplar and validation models to use current file formats and revised database references as well as updating their documentation (e.g. QA reports). - A number of buffer overflows have been identified and corrected. Identified a glitch when copying operations files and corrected. Noticed some dialogs for longer strings could result in trailing null characters and corrected. Users will notice fewer crashes. - Low level changes were made in Fortran to C calls to enable graphic functions on several 64 bit computing environments. From jglazer at gard.com Wed Mar 31 22:36:40 2010 From: jglazer at gard.com (Jason Glazer) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:36:40 -0500 Subject: [esp-r] Survey on Building Simulation and Programming Message-ID: <4BB3C068.6050905@gard.com> Please complete the survey related to building energy simulation programs and computer programming at: http://www.kwiksurveys.com?s=KJNEJM_c97fe163 I'm trying to understand the level of interest in collaboratively creating software for the building energy simulation community. Even if you don't do computer programming, your answers to the survey will be valuable. The survey will end April 9 and shortly after that date, I will post the results to the BLDG-SIM mailing list. Feel free to forward this invitation to anyone using building energy simulation programs. Thanks for you help Jason PS My apologies for any cross posting. -- Jason Glazer, P.E., GARD Analytics, 90.1 ECB chair Admin for onebuilding.org building performance mailing lists From hwan at dasskorea.com Thu Apr 1 05:25:08 2010 From: hwan at dasskorea.com (=?EUC-KR?B?sei5zsiv?=) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 13:25:08 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] converting absolute humidity to relative humudity Message-ID: Hi all I got climate data which includes absolute humidity (kg/kg) or [kg/kg(DA)] in 8760 rows. Does anyone have an idea on convenient ways to convert absolute humidity to relative humudity? Your advice would be appreciated. Mark Kim -- Researcher, Integrated Simulation Team, DASS Solutions Co., Ltd. 355-22 Seogyo-dong Mapo-gu Seoul (121-838 Korea) T. 82.2.913.2585/ F. 82.2.949.2585/ H. www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100401/8eebfdbf/attachment.html From Bernhard.Schweighofer at tugraz.at Thu Apr 1 07:12:31 2010 From: Bernhard.Schweighofer at tugraz.at (Bernhard Schweighofer) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 08:12:31 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: converting absolute humidity to relative humudity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BB4394F.5080106@tugraz.at> ??? wrote: > I got climate data which includes absolute humidity (kg/kg) or > [kg/kg(DA)] in 8760 rows. > > Does anyone have an idea on convenient ways to convert absolute humidity > to relative humudity? If using a lookup table is of no problem (matlab, octave, excel?, ...), you can use data - e.g. from: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A4ttigung_(Physik) and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density_of_air to lookup the maximum possible absolute humiditiy at the given temperature and from it calculate the relative humidity... regards Bernhard From koji_takemasa at me.com Sun Apr 4 11:26:03 2010 From: koji_takemasa at me.com (=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCSXBALzknPCMbKEI=?=) Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2010 19:26:03 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] How to build esp-r on Ubuntu 10.04beta Message-ID: <147918104299290299582276544262514208746-Webmail@me.com> Hello. I tried make of esp-r on Ubuntu 10.04beta. The method of doing the build is shown as follows. $ sudo apt-get install subversion $ svn checkout https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/trunk $ sudo apt-get install build-essential $ sudo apt-get install console-tools-dev $ sudo apt-get install expect-dev $ sudo apt-get install gfortran $ sudo apt-get install gettext $ sudo apt-get install libtool $ sudo apt-get install linux-source $ sudo apt-get install subversion-tools $ sudo apt-get install valgrind $ sudo apt-get install libxml2-dev $ sudo apt-get install netpbm $ sudo apt-get install libx11-6-dbg $ sudo apt-get install enscript $ sudo apt-get install psutils $ sudo apt-get install gsfonts-x11 When GTK is used with esp-r, the GTK library is installed as follows. $ sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev It moves to the directory that has preserved the source code. $ sudo ./Install -d /opt/esru --gcc4 ----- Name : Koji Takemasa (Dr. Eng.) E-mail : koji_takemasa at mac.com From ptavares at isec.pt Tue Apr 6 16:36:40 2010 From: ptavares at isec.pt (Paulo Filipe de Almeida Ferreira Tavares) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 16:36:40 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Problem with obstructions Message-ID: <1625FB29959296499A2997A53E23F54201730FDB@mailx.isec.pt> Hi all! Now i'm modelling the obstructions of my model (that have 73 zones). My problem is when i create an obstruction (a block) the program don?t ask me to create a file with it (for example, i create an obstruction in zone 5 -z5- so it must ask me to create z5.obs, but this action is not taken). These obstruction block is writed in the geo file (z5.geo)! When i try to calculate shading, no action is taken because the obs file doesn't exist... In the cfg file there is no path to the obstructions... Anyone has the same problem? How can i solve this? Thanks, in advance, for your help. Regards, Paulo Tavares -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100406/9b810cac/attachment.html From manzan at units.it Tue Apr 6 18:06:58 2010 From: manzan at units.it (Marco Manzan) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 19:06:58 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problem with obstructions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201004061906.58234.manzan@units.it> > 1. Problem with obstructions > (Paulo Filipe de Almeida Ferreira Tavares) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 16:36:40 +0100 > From: "Paulo Filipe de Almeida Ferreira Tavares" > Subject: [esp-r] Problem with obstructions > To: > Message-ID: <1625FB29959296499A2997A53E23F54201730FDB at mailx.isec.pt> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi all! > > > Now i'm modelling the obstructions of my model (that have 73 zones). My > problem is when i create an obstruction (a block) the program don?t ask me > to create a file with it (for example, i create an obstruction in zone 5 > -z5- so it must ask me to create z5.obs, but this action is not taken). > These obstruction block is writed in the geo file (z5.geo)! When i try to > calculate shading, no action is taken because the obs file doesn't exist... > In the cfg file there is no path to the obstructions... > > > > Anyone has the same problem? How can i solve this? > > > > Thanks, in advance, for your help. > > Regards, > > Paulo Tavares > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100406/9b810cac/atta >chment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > End of esp-r Digest, Vol 45, Issue 3 > ************************************ dear Paulo this is not a problem, you are using a new format for geo files, no .obs files are created since the obstruction geometry is already included in geo file, you have to run the ish module to compute shading, but first you have to define wich surface is affected by obstruction. This done in "solar dist. & calc directives" menu under "geometry & attrubution" menu. by Marco -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria Navale, del Mare e per l'Ambiente | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| From laxoayi at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Apr 6 18:30:36 2010 From: laxoayi at nottingham.ac.uk (Ibraheem Omar) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 18:30:36 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: question on "modelling Passive downdraught evaporative Message-ID: <24465EA502E8E74CA00F03A8081206CB02A656FE@VUIEXCHB.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Georgios, I believe there is a paper by Robinson et al. "Passive Downdraught Evaporative Cooling: Thermal Modelling of an Office Building" that has reported in detail about the modelling procedure of PDEC buildings using ESP-r you can find the paper at the following link http://ibe.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/13/3/205 Hope this helps Regards Omar Ibraheem This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100406/6e4b37a4/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Apr 7 12:27:35 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 12:27:35 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problem with obstructions In-Reply-To: <201004061906.58234.manzan@units.it> References: , <201004061906.58234.manzan@units.it> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D9E3586223@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> The new format geometry file INCLUDES zone obstructions so no file is generated. If you are using a recent version of ESP-r then you will probably have version 1.1 zone geometry files and there is no longer a need for the small zone obstructions files. Open up the zone geometry file with a text editor and you will likely see some new data fields. Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Marco Manzan [manzan at units.it] Sent: 06 April 2010 18:06 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problem with obstructions > 1. Problem with obstructions > (Paulo Filipe de Almeida Ferreira Tavares) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 16:36:40 +0100 > From: "Paulo Filipe de Almeida Ferreira Tavares" > Subject: [esp-r] Problem with obstructions > To: > Message-ID: <1625FB29959296499A2997A53E23F54201730FDB at mailx.isec.pt> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi all! > > > Now i'm modelling the obstructions of my model (that have 73 zones). My > problem is when i create an obstruction (a block) the program don?t ask me > to create a file with it (for example, i create an obstruction in zone 5 > -z5- so it must ask me to create z5.obs, but this action is not taken). > These obstruction block is writed in the geo file (z5.geo)! When i try to > calculate shading, no action is taken because the obs file doesn't exist... > In the cfg file there is no path to the obstructions... > > > > Anyone has the same problem? How can i solve this? > > > > Thanks, in advance, for your help. > > Regards, > > Paulo Tavares > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100406/9b810cac/atta >chment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > End of esp-r Digest, Vol 45, Issue 3 > ************************************ dear Paulo this is not a problem, you are using a new format for geo files, no .obs files are created since the obstruction geometry is already included in geo file, you have to run the ish module to compute shading, but first you have to define wich surface is affected by obstruction. This done in "solar dist. & calc directives" menu under "geometry & attrubution" menu. by Marco -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria Navale, del Mare e per l'Ambiente | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Apr 7 12:53:54 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 12:53:54 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problem with obstructions In-Reply-To: <201004061906.58234.manzan@units.it> References: , <201004061906.58234.manzan@units.it> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D9E3586226@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> I also noticed that the message below said 73 zones. The standard version of ESP-r is compiled for 72 zones. It will start to be strange and probably crash at 73 zones. This user might have re-compiled ESP-r for a larger number of zones. To find out how complex your version of ESP-r can do you can use the "introduction to ESP-r" menu option in the top level menu of the prj module. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Marco Manzan [manzan at units.it] Sent: 06 April 2010 18:06 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problem with obstructions > 1. Problem with obstructions > (Paulo Filipe de Almeida Ferreira Tavares) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 16:36:40 +0100 > From: "Paulo Filipe de Almeida Ferreira Tavares" > Subject: [esp-r] Problem with obstructions > To: > Message-ID: <1625FB29959296499A2997A53E23F54201730FDB at mailx.isec.pt> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi all! > > > Now i'm modelling the obstructions of my model (that have 73 zones). My > problem is when i create an obstruction (a block) the program don?t ask me > to create a file with it (for example, i create an obstruction in zone 5 > -z5- so it must ask me to create z5.obs, but this action is not taken). > These obstruction block is writed in the geo file (z5.geo)! When i try to > calculate shading, no action is taken because the obs file doesn't exist... > In the cfg file there is no path to the obstructions... > > > > Anyone has the same problem? How can i solve this? > > > > Thanks, in advance, for your help. > > Regards, > > Paulo Tavares > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100406/9b810cac/atta >chment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > End of esp-r Digest, Vol 45, Issue 3 > ************************************ dear Paulo this is not a problem, you are using a new format for geo files, no .obs files are created since the obstruction geometry is already included in geo file, you have to run the ish module to compute shading, but first you have to define wich surface is affected by obstruction. This done in "solar dist. & calc directives" menu under "geometry & attrubution" menu. by Marco -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria Navale, del Mare e per l'Ambiente | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From hwan at dasskorea.com Thu Apr 8 01:54:26 2010 From: hwan at dasskorea.com (=?EUC-KR?B?sei5zsiv?=) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 09:54:26 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] [zone control] multi-sensing heating/cooling law aux sensor items Message-ID: Hi all I'm trying to figure out setting for multi-sensing heating/cooling law. Help box says, Aux sensor detail 1st item? The sensor details are essentially the same as required in a control point sensor ie. 1st item >0 is a zone and or surface, =0 any zone, For each auxiliary sensor, 6 items are needed: = -2 measuring mix air:radiant, = -3 ambient where the 2nd item is: 0 = db, 1 = sol-air, 2 = wind velo, 3 = wind dir, 4 = diffuse rad, 5 = direc norm rad, 6 = RH Example: to sense air temperature is 3rd zone 3.0 0.0 0.0 My inquiries are 1. Does *'1st item >0 is a zone and or surface, =0 any zone,'* mean that if I set 1st item as 0, aux sensor sense surface? then how can we indicate specific surface of specific zone? or specific surface of every zone? Do we put them as 2nd and 3rd items? if so in what way? 2. Does *'For each auxiliary sensor, 6 items are needed: = -2 measuring mix air:radiant,' *mean that if we put '-2' as 1st item, aux sensor sense measuring mix air:radiant? 3. Then what for 3rd or 4th items? for future use? Your tip will be appreciated. Regards Mark Kim -- Researcher, Integrated Simulation Team, DASS Solutions Co., Ltd. 355-22 Seogyo-dong Mapo-gu Seoul (121-838 Korea) T. 82.2.913.2585/ F. 82.2.949.2585/ H. www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100408/60b41dd3/attachment.html From Lukas.Swan at Dal.Ca Sat Apr 10 19:14:07 2010 From: Lukas.Swan at Dal.Ca (Lukas Swan (Dal)) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 15:14:07 -0300 Subject: [esp-r] Results file - and the mfr Message-ID: <005201cad8d9$9ccca2c0$d665e840$@Dal.Ca> Hi All I am simulating and using results save level 5, which is XML reporting. This essentially makes the results file (example in cfg file: *sblr building.res) miniscule in size. But it does not appear to affect the mass flow network results file (example in cfg file: *sflr building.mfr). So on an annual simulation involving a somewhat complicated air flow network, I keep generating a 45 MB building.mfr file. Because I am simulating thousands of houses, this is substantial hard disk space (approx. ? of a TB). I can simply unlink the file after each simulation is complete, but I was wondering if anyone has a more elegant way to essentially set save level type 5 for the building.mfr results file as well? Thanks, Lukas Swan Dalhousie Univ. Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100410/5994dd89/attachment.html From hwan at dasskorea.com Wed Apr 21 08:12:06 2010 From: hwan at dasskorea.com (=?EUC-KR?B?sei5zsiv?=) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 16:12:06 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] meaning of result items [monthly gain/loss] Message-ID: Hi all When I look up result from 'Enquire about' > 'monthly gain/loss' in kWh unit, There is data under 'Transp surf - external facing/ other facing' Does data under this other facing means heat flux which transfered through transparent surface facing other zones? According to my understanding if I integrate all value of zones, it should be zero after offset. But the result is not zero. How about the data under 'Solar radiation - absor inside/entering zone'? I found they are slightly different. What are each of them and the difference of them mean? Any comment will be appreciated. Regards Mark -- Researcher, Integrated Simulation Team, DASS Solutions Co., Ltd. 355-22 Seogyo-dong Mapo-gu Seoul (121-838 Korea) T. 82.2.913.2585/ F. 82.2.949.2585/ H. www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100421/c8d5baaf/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Apr 21 08:41:41 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 08:41:41 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: meaning of result items [monthly gain/loss] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D9E3586283@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A question about the results analysis report monthly gain/loss. THIS IS NOT AN ENERGY BALANCE (because it does not include all of the gains and losses). It is a facility that provides a summary of various useful performance metrics. The 'other facing' is any surface with a boundary condition that is not the outside. So partitions and connections to the ground and connections to similar/dynamic and connections to fixed temperatures will all be placed in the 'other' category. I wish there was a short english phrase that could make this clear in the titile. According to the source code the solar absorbed in the zone is a summation of the solar radiation absorbed at the inside face of opaque and transparent surfaces. The solar entering is the solar which passes glazing which faces the outside (solar from adjacent rooms is not included in this report). If you want a real energy balance then there is a separate report for the zone air point energy balance and there is a surface energy balance report. Both of these reports include all of the gains and loss paths for the air or a surface. And there is a separate solar radiation report which provides information on solar radiation entering from adjacent rooms, the outside and the absorbed. If you want even more information there is a 'trace' facility for solar radiation calculations which will provide dozens of extra values from the intermediate calculations. We will investigate altering the context help for the 'enquire about' menu in the results analysis module to provide more of this kind of information. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? [hwan at dasskorea.com] Sent: 21 April 2010 08:12 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] meaning of result items [monthly gain/loss] Hi all When I look up result from 'Enquire about' > 'monthly gain/loss' in kWh unit, There is data under 'Transp surf - external facing/ other facing' Does data under this other facing means heat flux which transfered through transparent surface facing other zones? According to my understanding if I integrate all value of zones, it should be zero after offset. But the result is not zero. How about the data under 'Solar radiation - absor inside/entering zone'? I found they are slightly different. What are each of them and the difference of them mean? Any comment will be appreciated. Regards Mark -- Researcher, Integrated Simulation Team, DASS Solutions Co., Ltd. 355-22 Seogyo-dong Mapo-gu Seoul (121-838 Korea) T. 82.2.913.2585/ F. 82.2.949.2585/ H. www.dasskorea.com From luckygrass100 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 28 15:24:57 2010 From: luckygrass100 at hotmail.com (=?gb2312?B?zfW+1buo?=) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 22:24:57 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] boundary conditions for nonsymmetric constructions Message-ID: When I define the boundary conditions which apply to each surface in the model by selecting check via vertex contiguity facility.It scans the polygons of a model looking for surfaces in various zones which are close matches in terms of shape and position.After that,I began to take the action simulation.It warned that Surface X has a nonsymmetric construction interior.It faces Y which is composed of interior (which may not match).Here,X and Y are surfaces matching in terms of shape and position.They are the same surface actually separating two adjacent zones.They just have opposite directions for the two zones.And interior is the name of construction defined by myself.I wonder whether the warnings affect simulation results? I am simulating thermal performance of external respiration double skin facade.I built zones for airgap between the two curtain walls.But it turned out that cooling load in summer with double skin facade for south wall is bigger than cooling load with single skin facade for south wall.I can't explain this.I am thinking whether It is caused by the wrong surface connections &boundary conditions described above? I am expecting your kind answers.Thank you in advance!Daisy. _________________________________________________________________ ?????????????????msn????? http://ditu.live.com/?form=TL&swm=1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There will then be two constructions which are linked with each other. When you select one of them as a surface attribute the surface in the other zone will be attributed with the version which as the layers defined in a reverse order. -ESRU ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? [luckygrass100 at hotmail.com] Sent: 28 April 2010 15:24 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] boundary conditions for nonsymmetric constructions When I define the boundary conditions which apply to each surface in the model by selecting check via vertex contiguity facility.It scans the polygons of a model looking for surfaces in various zones which are close matches in terms of shape and position.After that,I began to take the action simulation.It warned that Surface X has a nonsymmetric construction interior.It faces Y which is composed of interior (which may not match).Here,X and Y are surfaces matching in terms of shape and position.They are the same surface actually separating two adjacent zones.They just have opposite directions for the two zones.And interior is the name of construction defined by myself.I wonder whether the warnings affect simulation results? I am simulating thermal performance of external respiration double skin facade.I built zones for airgap between the two curtain walls.But it turned out that cooling load in summer with double skin facade for south wall is bigger than cooling load with single skin facade for south wall.I can't explain this.I am thinking whether It is caused by the wrong surface connections &boundary conditions described above? I am expecting your kind answers.Thank you in advance!Daisy. ________________________________ ??????????MSN??? ????? From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Wed Apr 28 21:28:10 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 22:28:10 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: boundary conditions for nonsymmetric constructions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60C8F4EF-1ED6-4245-B2C1-35EF4E7E36C4@intergga.ch> Dear Daisy higher cooling loads for a double skin facade as opposed to a single skin facade with external blind is to be expected. The facade air gap will usually have higher temperatures than ambient. Thus, conduction is increased. Best Achim On Apr 28, 2010, at 4:24 PM, ??? wrote: > When I define the boundary conditions which apply to each surface in > the model by selecting check via vertex contiguity facility.It scans > the polygons of a model looking for surfaces in > various zones which are close matches > in terms of shape and position.After that,I began to take the action > simulation.It warned that Surface X has a nonsymmetric construction > interior.It faces Y which is composed of interior (which may not > match).Here,X and Y are surfaces matching in terms of shape and > position.They are the same surface actually separating two adjacent > zones.They just have opposite directions for the two zones.And > interioris the name of construction defined by myself.I wonder > whether the warnings affect simulation results? > I am simulating thermal performance of external respiration double > skin facade.I built zones for airgap between the two curtain > walls.But it turned out that cooling load in summer with double skin > facade for south wall is bigger than cooling load with single skin > facade for south wall.I can't explain this.I am thinking whether It > is caused by the wrong surface connections &boundary conditions > described above? > I am expecting your kind answers.Thank you in advance!Daisy. > > ??????????MSN??? ????? > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100428/61ef7a59/attachment.html From luckygrass100 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 29 02:29:24 2010 From: luckygrass100 at hotmail.com (=?gb2312?B?zfW+1buo?=) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 09:29:24 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] Re: boundary conditions for nonsymmetric constructions In-Reply-To: <60C8F4EF-1ED6-4245-B2C1-35EF4E7E36C4@intergga.ch> References: , <60C8F4EF-1ED6-4245-B2C1-35EF4E7E36C4@intergga.ch> Message-ID: Dear Achim, I accept that higher cooling loads for a double skin facade as opposed to a single skin facade with external blind is normal.But I compared cooling load in summer with external respiration double skin facade as opposed to a single skin facade for the south wall.Because of natural ventilation by thermal pressure between the airgap and environment,it is expected that cooling load with external respiration double skin facade is smaller,Assuming they have equivalent shading effect.Right?Thank you for your answers.Daisy. CC: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch To: luckygrass100 at hotmail.com Subject: Re: [esp-r] boundary conditions for nonsymmetric constructions Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 22:28:10 +0200 Dear Daisy higher cooling loads for a double skin facade as opposed to a single skin facade with external blind is to be expected. The facade air gap will usually have higher temperatures than ambient. Thus, conduction is increased. Best Achim On Apr 28, 2010, at 4:24 PM, ??? wrote: When I define the boundary conditions which apply to each surface in the model by selecting check via vertex contiguity facility.It scans the polygons of a model looking for surfaces in various zones which are close matches in terms of shape and position.After that,I began to take the action simulation.It warned that Surface X has a nonsymmetric construction interior.It faces Y which is composed of interior (which may not match).Here,X and Y are surfaces matching in terms of shape and position.They are the same surface actually separating two adjacent zones.They just have opposite directions for the two zones.And interioris the name of construction defined by myself.I wonder whether the warnings affect simulation results? I am simulating thermal performance of external respiration double skin facade.I built zones for airgap between the two curtain walls.But it turned out that cooling load in summer with double skin facade for south wall is bigger than cooling load with single skin facade for south wall.I can't explain this.I am thinking whether It is caused by the wrong surface connections &boundary conditions described above? I am expecting your kind answers.Thank you in advance!Daisy. ??????????MSN??? ????? _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch _________________________________________________________________ SkyDrive????????????????????????! http://www.windowslive.cn/campaigns/e-magazine/ngmchina/?a=c -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100429/bb9289e7/attachment.html From luckygrass100 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 29 05:05:00 2010 From: luckygrass100 at hotmail.com (=?gb2312?B?zfW+1buo?=) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 12:05:00 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] Shading vs visible transmission Message-ID: Dear all, I have a question since I began to learn esp-r.There was an article called "Setting Shading Coefficient for transparent constructions and double facade" posed by my friend Teresa.Jon Hand kindly gave answer that ESP-r does not use a "shading coefficient" which is a ratio of a specific glazing product to a 'standard single glazed window'.Please allow me to ask further,what should I do if I want to set a Shading Coefficient,for example,0.57?for the south window.I tried to multiply the visible transmission of window by 0.57.But when I output results of dynamic load,there is no change compared with the actural visible transmission condition.I am thinking whether changing visible transmission just influences lighting analysis results. I really don't know how to add electric shading louvers for windows to reach a required Shading Coefficient of 0.57.I am using esp-r for energy simulation of a green low carbon building.Anxiously looking forward to your kind answers.Many thanks.Daisy. _________________________________________________________________ ???????????????? http://cn.bing.com/search?q=%E5%A4%A9%E6%B0%94%E9%A2%84%E6%8A%A5&form=MICHJ2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100429/1b4acb5e/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Thu Apr 29 08:21:37 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim.geissler) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 09:21:37 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: boundary conditions for nonsymmetric constructions Message-ID: <2ec7ce6e1a27bccd0f557e16463d0f56@212.203.77.246> Dear Daisy ? assuming you have an external blind outside of your single skin facade, the single skin facade is thermally equivalent to your thermal envelope (the inner skin of the double skin facade) and the blind is the same, you will still have higher temperatures in the air gap than the ambient air temperature. Therefore, as written, I would expect higher cooling loads. ? However, the double skin facade allows you to have the blind lowered in high rise buildings for more hours of the year, usually. Therefore, taking this aspect into account, the double skin facade may prove beneficial. Also, if you can close the air gap in the winter, you will have improved U-value. Again, the double skin facade may prove beneficial. ? Best Achim ? --------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: "??????" An: "achim.geissler at intergga.ch" , "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" Betreff: RE: [esp-r] boundary conditions for nonsymmetric constructions Datum: 29/04/10 04:31 Dear Achim, ? ?? I? accept that??higher cooling loads for a double skin facade as opposed to a single skin facade with external blind is normal.But I? compared cooling load in summer with?external respiration double skin facade as opposed to a single skin facade for the south wall.Because of natural ventilation by thermal pressure between the airgap and environment,it is expected that cooling load with external respiration double skin facade is smaller,Assuming they have equivalent shading effect.Right?Thank you for your answers.Daisy. ? ? ? ? CC: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch To: luckygrass100 at hotmail.com Subject: Re: [esp-r] boundary conditions for nonsymmetric constructions Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 22:28:10 +0200 Dear Daisy higher cooling loads for a double skin facade as opposed to a single skin facade with external blind is to be expected. The facade air gap will usually have higher temperatures than ambient. Thus, conduction is increased. Best Achim On Apr 28, 2010, at 4:24 PM, ?????? wrote: When I define the boundary conditions which apply to each surface in the model by selecting?check via vertex contiguity?facility.It scans the polygons of a model looking for surfaces in various zones which are close matches in terms of shape and position.After that,I began to take the action?simulation.It warned that?Surface X has a nonsymmetric construction interior.It faces Y? which is composed of interior (which may not match).Here,X and Y are surfaces matching in terms of shape and position.They are the same surface actually separating two adjacent zones.They just have?opposite directions for the two zones.And?interioris the name of construction defined by myself.I wonder whether the warnings affect simulation results? I am simulating thermal performance of external respiration double skin facade.I built zones for airgap between the two curtain walls.But it turned out that cooling load in summer?with double skin facade?for south wall is bigger than cooling load with?single skin facade?for south wall.I can't explain this.I am thinking whether?It is caused by the wrong surface connections?&boundary conditions described above? I am expecting your kind answers.Thank you in advance!Daisy. ????????????????????MSN????????????????? (http://cn.msn.com/)?_______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk (mailto:esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk) http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r (http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r) achim.geissler at intergga.ch (mailto:achim.geissler at intergga.ch) ????+????+???? ????????????,????MSN????????! ?????????? (http://3g.msn.cn/" target="_new) ________________________________________________________________ Diese Mitteilung wurde von http://www.breitband.ch uebermittelt. Einer der schnellsten Kabel-Internet Zugaenge! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100429/40f23de3/attachment-0001.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Thu Apr 29 08:22:04 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim.geissler) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 09:22:04 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Shading vs visible transmission Message-ID: <3fb327eed1cbc4cbf482126c440a74da@212.203.77.246> Dear Daisy ? what you would need to do is the following: 1) Shading coefficient refers to "behaviour in regard to solar gains", not visible transmission. You take your shading coefficient and from this calculate the SHGC (or g-value). See ASHRAE Fundamentals, e.g. 2) You choose a glass product that achieves this g-value in Window (LBNL). Here, you can check if you can find a glass product that also satisfies your visual transmittance needs. 3) With this glass product you set up your insulating glazing unit in Window and export (by whatever path you are comfortable with) to ESP-r TMC or via GSLEdit to CFC. ? Best Achim --------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: "??????" An: "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" Betreff: [esp-r] Shading vs visible transmission Datum: 29/04/10 07:06 Dear all, ???? I have a question since I began to learn esp-r.There was an article called "Setting Shading Coefficient for transparent constructions and double facade" posed by my?friend Teresa.Jon Hand kindly?gave answer that? ESP-r does not use a "shading coefficient" which is a ratio of a specific glazing product to a 'standard single glazed window'.Please allow me to ask further,what should I do if I want to set a Shading Coefficient,for example,0.57??for the south window.I tried to multiply the visible transmission of window by 0.57.But when I output results of dynamic load,there is no change compared with the actural visible transmission condition.I am thinking whether changing visible transmission just influences lighting analysis results. ???? I really don't know how to add? electric shading ?louvers for windows to reach a required Shading Coefficient of 0.57.I am using esp-r for energy simulation of a green low carbon building.Anxiously looking forward to your kind answers.Many thanks.Daisy. ????????????????,??????????????????????-????,????????????????! ?????????? 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You can find it here: http://uwspace.uwaterloo.ca/bitstream/10012/4164/1/Lomanowski_Bartosz.pdf There is also a control facility found in prj under 'Controls: complex fenestration' that allows you to manipulate the slat angle and the shade layer state (retracted/deployed) as a function of a sensor/actuator combination or a schedule. The CFC facility was originally intended for energy/load analysis and is currently missing daylighting features. You can also try programs such as WIS and WINDOW 6 to calculate performance indicies of glazing/shading combinations. Regards, Bart NRCan, Canada Message: 3 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 12:05:00 +0800 From: ??? Subject: [esp-r] Shading vs visible transmission To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Dear all, I have a question since I began to learn esp-r.There was an article called "Setting Shading Coefficient for transparent constructions and double facade" posed by my friend Teresa.Jon Hand kindly gave answer that ESP-r does not use a "shading coefficient" which is a ratio of a specific glazing product to a 'standard single glazed window'.Please allow me to ask further,what should I do if I want to set a Shading Coefficient,for example,0.57?for the south window.I tried to multiply the visible transmission of window by 0.57.But when I output results of dynamic load,there is no change compared with the actural visible transmission condition.I am thinking whether changing visible transmission just influences lighting analysis results. I really don't know how to add electric shading louvers for windows to reach a required Shading Coefficient of 0.57.I am using esp-r for energy simulation of a green low carbon building.Anxiously looking forward to your kind answers.Many thanks.Daisy. From adamk at spu.edu Thu Apr 29 18:38:46 2010 From: adamk at spu.edu (Kutrich, Adam) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 10:38:46 -0700 Subject: [esp-r] Missing mst file Message-ID: <94DCF15DCB9FD54CB4E22647B8D672F9F48EAAE955@EXCH07-VS1.spu.local> When trying to run a simulation, a window pops up saying "could not find filepath/Atrium.mst" What is the mst file type, and how do I put that in the model, if that is all it needs to work? I have a 4 zone model, and "atrium" is zone one. The atrium has a large skylight to transmit solar radiation, and I have defined an air flow network designed to passively distribute that heat throughout the other 3 zones. I started out by conflating the atrium node with a CFD domain but then tried dereferencing it hoping that would simplify things, but the problem remains. I am using the Cygwin GTK interface in Windows. Thanks, Adam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100429/1cfe5f66/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Fri Apr 30 10:05:00 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim.geissler) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 11:05:00 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Missing mst file Message-ID: <4d14a15165ed6231a4f644958f21f4ca@212.203.77.246> Dear Adam ? most likely you clicked on something that put an entry into the .cfg file but was not finished. Quit ESP-r, go to the .cfg file, open this in a text-editor (npp or the like), look for a line that begins with an "*" and has the file name you give in it. Delete this line and then start up ESP-r again and try to load the model. It should load, then. ? Best Achim --------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: "Kutrich, Adam" An: "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" Betreff: [esp-r] Missing mst file Datum: 30/04/10 10:47 When trying to run a simulation, a window pops up saying "could not find filepath/Atrium.mst"? What is the mst file type, and how do I put that in the model, if that is all it needs to work? ? I have a 4 zone model, and "atrium" is zone one.? The atrium has a large skylight to?transmit solar radiation, and I have defined an air flow network designed to passively distribute that heat throughout the other 3 zones.? I started out by conflating the atrium node with a CFD domain but then tried dereferencing it hoping that would?simplify things, but the problem remains. ? I am using the Cygwin GTK interface in Windows.? ? Thanks, ? Adam? _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk (mailto:esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" class="autolink) http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r (http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r" target="_blank" class="autolink) ________________________________________________________________ Diese Mitteilung wurde von http://www.breitband.ch uebermittelt. Einer der schnellsten Kabel-Internet Zugaenge! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100430/e1182faa/attachment-0001.html From Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn Fri Apr 30 18:30:14 2010 From: Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn (Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 01:30:14 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] inputs for HAM simulations Message-ID: <076B831E3BD70140B69F1D47DF456F4A1752B5206F@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn> Hi everybody, I have got a question about some of the data that are required for the heat and moisture simulations (HAM) in ESP-r. The coupling is really important since moisture transport affects the heat fluxes of a specific surface in my model. Anyway, I am trying to use the 1-D griding and the first input requirement is the following: "Enter the moisture permeability data for the selected layer". The defaults are 0 0.000 0.000 0.000. There is no help for these option but I was looking at A. Nakhi's PhD thesis and I understand that the first of these four inputs refers to the index for the type of formula to be used by the simulator (it should always be "1" according to Nakhi's thesis). The other 3 inputs are probably used to solve equations 5.13a and 5.13b of Nakhi's thesis.A. Nakhi refers to the following publication for finding these 3 input data: "IEA 1994. ??Catalogue of Material Properties, upgraded version,?? International Energy Agency, Energy Conservation in Buildings and Community System Programme, IEA annex 24 HAMTIE." Can anybody advise me on how to obtain this publication? Is there any other way to find the inputs needed for a proper HAM simulation? Thanks, Georgios******************************************************************************************************************************* This email has been scanned by the Altman Email Security System. For more information please visit www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems ******************************************************************************************************************************* From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Fri Apr 30 20:41:48 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:41:48 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: inputs for HAM simulations In-Reply-To: <076B831E3BD70140B69F1D47DF456F4A1752B5206F@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn> References: <076B831E3BD70140B69F1D47DF456F4A1752B5206F@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn> Message-ID: <096BA353-2E38-4828-A0A1-8D93BAE7B3B4@intergga.ch> Hi Georgios the citation you give below rings a (very faint) bell. I'll check my old stuff in the next few days to see what I come up with if nobody else has anything readily to hand. Best Achim On Apr 30, 2010, at 7:30 PM, Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I have got a question about some of the data that are required for > the heat and moisture simulations (HAM) in ESP-r. The coupling is > really important since moisture transport affects the heat fluxes of > a specific surface in my model. > Anyway, I am trying to use the 1-D griding and the first input > requirement is the following: > "Enter the moisture permeability data for the selected layer". The > defaults are 0 0.000 0.000 0.000. There is no help for these option > but I was looking at A. Nakhi's PhD thesis and I understand that the > first of these four inputs refers to the index for the type of > formula to be used by the simulator (it should always be "1" > according to Nakhi's thesis). The other 3 inputs are probably used > to solve equations 5.13a and 5.13b of Nakhi's thesis.A. Nakhi refers > to the following publication for finding these 3 input data: > "IEA 1994. ??Catalogue of Material Properties, upgraded version,?? > International Energy Agency, Energy Conservation in Buildings and > Community System Programme, IEA annex 24 HAMTIE." > > Can anybody advise me on how to obtain this publication? Is there > any other way to find the inputs needed for a proper HAM simulation? > > Thanks, > Georgios > ******************************************************************************************************************************* > This email has been scanned by the Altman Email Security System. > For more information please visit www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems > > ******************************************************************************************************************************* > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > achim.geissler at intergga.ch From luckygrass100 at hotmail.com Tue May 4 11:26:20 2010 From: luckygrass100 at hotmail.com (=?gb2312?B?zfW+1buo?=) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 18:26:20 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] Is it possible adding a new zone by inserting into some zone? Message-ID: Dear all, As we know,we can make a new surface by inserting into some surface.I wonder whether we can add a new zone by inserting into some zone.Surfaces of the new zone are connectted to those of the existing zone.I have the idea because I am adding vertical air-shafts to some zones of model.The problem will be more convenient if I can add air-shafts by the way talked above.Your kind answers will be appreciated!Many thanks.DaisyO(?_?)O~ _________________________________________________________________ ???????????????? http://cn.bing.com/search?q=%E5%A4%A9%E6%B0%94%E9%A2%84%E6%8A%A5&form=MICHJ2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100504/472ff134/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue May 4 12:16:44 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 12:16:44 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Availability of an Italian translation of the ESP-r Cookbook Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D9E35862E0@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> ESRU are please to announce the arrival of a new Italian translation of the ESP-r Cookbook on the ESRU web site and This work was done by Gian Luca Brunetti of Politecnico di Milano and joins the existing English, and Korea versions of the Cookbook. Regards, Jon Hand From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Tue May 4 13:17:12 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim.geissler) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 14:17:12 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Plant w/ slab-on-grade problem Message-ID: <7f6056771f77cc6e050bec472a59f46a@212.203.77.246> Dear all ? has anyone had the following problem with the slab-on-grade hydronic floor plant component: ? A (simple) plant network is set up and running fine. The results are plausible. ? You then change the inner and outer diameters of the piping to reflect a real system being looked at (for the slab components and the corresponding auxiliary piping). ? The effect of the change is that simulations do not run anymore, DENSIT warnings to the effect that the water temperature is not between 0 and 100 degC are written to the terminal (the temperatures given show that the calculated temperatures are "running away") and bps hangs. ? I can see no direct connection between the changed parameters and the resulting program hang-up. A code check does not reveal any obvious cause / solution for me. ? Does anyone have experience along these lines? ? Thanks Best Achim ? ? (symptoms are identical both for my branch and development_branch at 5246) ________________________________________________________________ Diese Mitteilung wurde von http://www.breitband.ch uebermittelt. Einer der schnellsten Kabel-Internet Zugaenge! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100504/c6abb725/attachment-0001.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue May 4 14:02:22 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 14:02:22 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Is it possible adding a new zone by inserting into some zone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D9E35862E5@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> It is possible to have one zone inside another zone as long as the surfaces of the 'inside' zone are also included in the 'outer' zone. There are multiple approaches. You could create additional surfaces in the outer zone and then create a new zone which is made by copying (and inverting) the relevant surfaces. This would be followed by a topology check to create the thermophysical links between the surfaces. The alternative is to add a new zone first, creating all of its surfaces and then change your focus to the 'outer' zone and copy & invert the relevant surfaces and then doing the topology check. There is another shortcut which could apply - there is a surface transform which extrudes surfaces at right angles from a parent surface. For example a dozen sided (approximation of a round end) was used to extrude the shape of a boiler and then these surfaces copied as needed for the outer and inner zones. Conceptually you could have several 'inner' zones or even a zone in a zone in a zone. -ESRU ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? [luckygrass100 at hotmail.com] Sent: 04 May 2010 11:26 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Is it possible adding a new zone by inserting into some zone? Dear all, As we know,we can make a new surface by inserting into some surface.I wonder whether we can add a new zone by inserting into some zone.Surfaces of the new zone are connectted to those of the existing zone.I have the idea because I am adding vertical air-shafts to some zones of model.The problem will be more convenient if I can add air-shafts by the way talked above.Your kind answers will be appreciated!Many thanks.DaisyO(?_?)O~ ________________________________ ????????,???????????-??,????????! ????? From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Wed May 5 09:33:52 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim.geissler) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 10:33:52 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Slab-on-grade for thermally activated slab btw. zones Message-ID: <9e81925a2f99b36452f085f029d0b6c9@212.203.77.246> Dear all has anyone used the Slab-on-grade hydronic floor plant component successfully for a "normal" thermally activated floor slab between two offices? Results seem to imply that the "other" zone does not know about the thermal activation. The internal surface temperature of the slab in the "other" zone agrees with what one would expect for a heavy concrete slab without thermal activation (i.e. approx. the mean temperature of the daily temperature swing of the zone). The setup was this: Two stacked zones, 320 mm concrete floor slab split in three layers as symmetric MLC (80 - 160 - 80). A Slab-on-grade component is linked to node 6 (centre of inner 80 mm layer) of the floor of the upper zone. The connection between the zones seems correct, both .geo and the .cnn read correctly. Temperature for the floor surface of the upper zone are plausible. Temperatures for the ceiling of the lower zone as described are not. Thanks for any ideas. Best Achim ________________________________________________________________ Diese Mitteilung wurde von http://www.breitband.ch uebermittelt. Einer der schnellsten Kabel-Internet Zugaenge! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100505/ab608b3e/attachment.html From tobias.zitzmann at ise.fraunhofer.de Wed May 5 12:05:30 2010 From: tobias.zitzmann at ise.fraunhofer.de (Tobias Zitzmann) Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 13:05:30 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] basic controller for dehumidification control Message-ID: <4BE150FA.50509@ise.fraunhofer.de> Dear users, has anybody experiences with the humidification control of the basic zone controller? Our model setup: Our test room model is a single zone, contains a fixed infiltration flow rate and has no internal gains (using opr-file). A basic zone controller is used for cooling and dehumidification control (setpoints for dehumidification e.g.: maximum RH 30%, maximum humidification rate 1g/s). Summer weather conditions of south Germany are used. The problem: As a result, the relative humidity target within the room is always achieved due to dehumidification, although the results analysis manager output shows dehumidification loads which are significantly smaller than what would be theoretically expected (from Mollier-h-x diagram) in order to achieve the RH target. For testing, we have drastically reduced the maximum dehumidification rate to 0.1 g/s. Consequently, the RH target is sometimes not achieved and the maximum dehumidification load output is 0.25 kW (which seems correct as 1g/s should equal 2.5 kW). However, for this small dehumidification load, the RH should be much higher than what is calculated by ESP-r. In other words, the dehumidification load output does not seem to suit to the calculated RH and is significantly smaller than it would be expected from h-x diagram for achieving the resulting RH. The error seems to increase with higher room air changes (see examples below): _Example 1_ *Conditions:* Air change rate of 11.56h-1 Ambient T and RH 18.35?C and 77.5% Zone T and RH 17.76?C and 30% *Resulting dehumidification load:* Theoretical: 2370W ESP-r output: 360 W Difference: 86% _Example 2_ *Conditions:* Air change rate of 1.0h-1 Ambient T and RH 18.35?C and 77.5% Zone T and RH 18.0?C and 30% *Resulting dehumidification load:* Theoretical: 203W ESP-r output: 140W Difference: 32% Has anybody an idea about this phenomenon? We saw this problem in the newest version of ESP-r and also in an older version. Any comment is appreciated. Regards, Tobias -- Dr. Tobias Zitzmann Project Manager Dept. Thermal Systems and Buildings Fraunhofer-Institut f?r Solare Energiesysteme ISE Heidenhofstra?e 2, 79110 Freiburg, Germany Phone: +49 (0) 7 61/ 45 88-55 82 Fax: +49 (0) 7 61/ 45 88-95 82 tobias.zitzmann(at)ise.fraunhofer.de http://www.ise.fraunhofer.de -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100505/1e55d74d/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed May 5 14:44:17 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 14:44:17 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: defining general polygon obstructions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D9E35862EF@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> The intended definition of general polygon obstructions is to initially create a standard obstruction in prj and then use the in-built facility to convert this to a general polygon structure and the to edit the vertices. The order of the surfaces and edges of polygons generated via this approach is what the shading module is looking for and tested for. The limitations are 6 sides to the obstruction. The user is assumed to create surfaces which are flat (there is no interface check to force a flat surface when you are editing polygons). General polygon obstructions are only available with the newer version geometry files. There are examples of various obstruction types in the exemplar model (folder) simple bld_simple_shd.cfg and in the zone geometry file simple/zones/reception_shd.geo -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: Lomanowski, Bartosz [Bartosz.Lomanowski at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca] Sent: 05 May 2010 14:21 To: Jon Hand; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: defining general polygon obstructions A question about general polygon obstructions (type 'obsp'): >From reading the help info I understand that such a polygon must have flat surfaces. Are there any other constraints in defining such an obstruction? Is there a particular order for defining the vertices such as the anti-clockwise rule? Does it matter whether vertices 1-2-3-4 make up the bottom or the top surface? I ran a quick comparison of two different definitions of the same obstruction ( see attached jpeg ). There were differences on the order of 0.05 in the insolation and shading factors. Which of these is deemed correct? Thanks, Bart NRCan, Canada From Bartosz.Lomanowski at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca Wed May 5 14:21:25 2010 From: Bartosz.Lomanowski at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca (Lomanowski, Bartosz) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 09:21:25 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] defining general polygon obstructions Message-ID: A question about general polygon obstructions (type 'obsp'): >From reading the help info I understand that such a polygon must have flat surfaces. Are there any other constraints in defining such an obstruction? Is there a particular order for defining the vertices such as the anti-clockwise rule? Does it matter whether vertices 1-2-3-4 make up the bottom or the top surface? I ran a quick comparison of two different definitions of the same obstruction ( see attached jpeg ). There were differences on the order of 0.05 in the insolation and shading factors. Which of these is deemed correct? Thanks, Bart NRCan, Canada -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: obstruction definition.jpg Type: image/pjpeg Size: 108073 bytes Desc: obstruction definition.jpg Url : http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100505/90faa6bf/attachment-0001.bin From manzan at units.it Thu May 6 10:24:31 2010 From: manzan at units.it (Marco Manzan) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 11:24:31 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Slab-on-grade for thermally activated slab btw zones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201005061124.31320.manzan@units.it> Alle mercoled? 5 maggio 2010, esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk ha scritto: > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 10:33:52 +0200 > From: "Achim.geissler" > Subject: [esp-r] Slab-on-grade for thermally activated slab btw. > zones > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Message-ID: <9e81925a2f99b36452f085f029d0b6c9 at 212.203.77.246> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear all > > has anyone used the Slab-on-grade hydronic floor plant component > successfully for a "normal" thermally activated floor slab between two > offices? Results seem to imply that the "other" zone does not know about > the thermal activation. The internal surface temperature of the slab in the > "other" zone agrees with what one would expect for a heavy concrete slab > without thermal activation (i.e. approx. the mean temperature of the daily > temperature swing of the zone). > > The setup was this: Two stacked zones, 320 mm concrete floor slab split in > three layers as symmetric MLC (80 - 160 - 80). A Slab-on-grade component is > linked to node 6 (centre of inner 80 mm layer) of the floor of the upper > zone. The connection between the zones seems correct, both .geo and the > .cnn read correctly. Temperature for the floor surface of the upper zone > are plausible. Temperatures for the ceiling of the lower zone as described > are not. > > Thanks for any ideas. > Best > Achim > > > dear Achim I've used extensively the Slab-on-grade component and there are some problems, the first is that the underlying zone does not know about the thermally activated floor, since the routine injects the heat flux only to the floor nodes partaining to the upper zone, second problem the simulation time increase substantially. The second problem arise partly from the computations performed in the coefficeint generator routine and partially in routine RadFloor_store. I solved the first problem by adding some lines of code to the routine RadFloor_CoeffGen. in the following I include the diff file for radiant_floor.F essentially I injects the same amount of flux to the slab floor and to the linked structure if exists, you can see the difference by plotting the Xsection temperatures for the two structures. As far as the second problem is concerned, I solved the problem of RadFloor_store by performing the copy instructions for the affected structures only, I will submit the modified version to Jon Hand. But using the component requires still a huge computing time, and pheraps a new component should be developed. I'm working on this components: 1) a component that behaves as a radiator and injects a flux lineary dependent with the meanlog temperature from component and slab layer 2) a component that computes the heat flux in a static manner using meanlog temperature from component and slab layer (as EnergyPlus does) I will appreciate any suggestions Be aware that if you use my changes your are using them at your own risk since they have not been checked by esp-r developers. bye marco Index: radiant_floor.F =================================================================== --- radiant_floor.F (revisione 4957) +++ radiant_floor.F (copia locale) @@ -212,6 +212,15 @@ & ConDp(MCOM,MS), TetaMf(MCOM,MS), TetaMp(MCOM,MS), & Tpipef(MCOM,MS), Tpipep(MCOM,MS) REAL COUT(MPCOE), J11, J12, J21, J22 + + COMMON/GR1D01/NNDS,NNDZ(MCOM),NNDC(MCOM,MS),NNDL(MCOM,MS,ME) + +C Common saving coupled zones/surfaces + common/Zone_Couplings/ bCoupled_Zone (MCOM,MS), + & iCoupled_Zone (MCOM,MS), + & iCoupled_Surf (MCOM,MS) + + logical bCoupled_Zone character outs*124 C---------------------------------------------------------------------- @@ -577,7 +586,16 @@ Qboiler = ADATA(IPCOMP,1) * FLWCp * (Tin - Tout) Qnode = ADATA(IPCOMP,1) * Qcir GENFLXF(Iz,Is,In) = Qnode / AreaR +C.....store the same flux for adiacent surface + if ( bCoupled_Zone( Iz, Is ) ) then + Iza = iCoupled_Zone ( Iz, Is) + Isa = iCoupled_Surf ( Iz, Is) + Ina = NNDC(Iz, Is) - (In - 1) +C + GENFLXF(Iza,Isa,Ina) = Qnode / AreaR + + endif C Establish additional output variables C Minimum inside surface temperature PCAOUT(IPCOMP,1) = Tmin -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria Navale, del Mare e per l'Ambiente | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| From david.garcias at gmail.com Mon May 10 17:59:25 2010 From: david.garcias at gmail.com (David Garcia) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 18:59:25 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] [ESP-r] segmentation fault error in text mode Message-ID: Hi, I'm using esp-r (prj) in text mode (ubuntu linux 10), so when I go to browe/edit/simulate > model context > fan/lift/DHW demands an "segmentation fault" message appears in the screen and the process is cancelled... I see that all process invoke the "calendar" in output sends to the same "segmentation fault" error... somebody can help me to see what is the problem? Normally in graphical view is ok the fan/lift/DHW option but for me I need to use ESP-r in batch mode... Thanks in Advance David Garcia My screen: Model Context:?> o A reminder of current day types... 2010 January February Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa Su 1 2 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 March April Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa Su 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 29 30 31 26 27 28 29 30 Erreur de segmentation -- David GARCIA SANCHEZ ------------------------------------------------------------ D?partement Syst?mes ?nerg?tiques Environnement Ecole des Mines de Nantes 4, Rue Alfred Kastler 44300 Nantes France ------------------------------------------------------------ Email: david.garcia-sanchez at emn.fr Tel: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 14 Mobile: +33 (0) 6 78 15 08 09 Fax: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 99 ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best wishes, Clodoaldo. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100512/3f747926/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu May 13 07:27:35 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 07:27:35 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problem dealing with surfaces with more than 24 vertexes In-Reply-To: <429192.704.qm@web53005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <429192.704.qm@web53005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D9E51416C6@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> An email about surface complexity.... The current source code in the development_branch supports ~32 edges per surface. I suggest that you checkout the current development_branch from the subversion archive and Install that. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Clodoaldo de Oliveira Carvalho [clodoaldo_carvalho at yahoo.com.br] Sent: 12 May 2010 20:45 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Problem dealing with surfaces with more than 24 vertexes Dear all, I am working in a building project and one of the zones has a surface defined with more than 24 vertexes. I've tried to enter 26 vertexes in prj but it says that the char string is full. Looking at /include/building.h, the number of vertexes per surface is set by PARAMETER (MV=24). I?ve changed that to 36 and recompiled esp-r but nothing happened. I tried to edit the zone geometry file out of prj to include the vertexes in the surface but prj crashes due to a segmentation fault. How can I change the char string lenght read by prj? Any help would be appreciated. Best wishes, Clodoaldo. From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu May 13 08:13:34 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 08:13:34 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: [ESP-r] segmentation fault error in text mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413D9E51416C8@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> We just did a debug session and identified this seg fault was related to a "call forceflush" in context.F near line 3468. Move the call up one line so that it is only called when in graphics mode. This was just committed into the Jon_Hand branch as commit 5300 and hopefully it will make its way into the development branch shortly. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David Garcia [david.garcias at gmail.com] Sent: 10 May 2010 17:59 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] [ESP-r] segmentation fault error in text mode Hi, I'm using esp-r (prj) in text mode (ubuntu linux 10), so when I go to browe/edit/simulate > model context > fan/lift/DHW demands an "segmentation fault" message appears in the screen and the process is cancelled... I see that all process invoke the "calendar" in output sends to the same "segmentation fault" error... somebody can help me to see what is the problem? Normally in graphical view is ok the fan/lift/DHW option but for me I need to use ESP-r in batch mode... Thanks in Advance David Garcia My screen: Model Context:?> o A reminder of current day types... 2010 January February Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa Su 1 2 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 March April Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa Su 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 29 30 31 26 27 28 29 30 Erreur de segmentation -- David GARCIA SANCHEZ ------------------------------------------------------------ D?partement Syst?mes ?nerg?tiques Environnement Ecole des Mines de Nantes 4, Rue Alfred Kastler 44300 Nantes France ------------------------------------------------------------ Email: david.garcia-sanchez at emn.fr Tel: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 14 Mobile: +33 (0) 6 78 15 08 09 Fax: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 99 ------------------------------------------------------------ From luckygrass100 at hotmail.com Sat May 15 12:31:12 2010 From: luckygrass100 at hotmail.com (=?gb2312?B?zfW+1buo?=) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 19:31:12 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] surface fluxes Message-ID: Dear Dear all? I am puzzled again.I am simulating an low-carbon building with double-skin facade for the south facade.I need calculate out the comprehensive transfer coefficient h(W/m2.K),then compare it with that of normal single window.I was thinking maybe I can output the temperature and heat conduction of the interior and exterior surfaces.But when I used the surface fluxes facility,and choosed conduction(inside) or conduction(other face),it turned out all zero.Why? _________________________________________________________________ ?????????Windows Live????????? http://windowslivesky.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!5892B6048E2498BD!889.entry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100515/263d21a3/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Sat May 15 18:20:29 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 19:20:29 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: surface fluxes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1AF6033E-4A96-4607-9A60-07E1443AE817@intergga.ch> Hi not sure what you mean. What turned out zero? All the values in the res-variables you name? Or your subsequent calculations? Anyway, there is no straightforward way to extract the U-value (if that is what you mean with comprehensive transfer coefficient) of a double facade construction. I would recommend using a simple tool like WIS to compare your window / facade constructions in regard to basic parameters (g-value, U-value). And look at overall loads to compare the impact on the building as a system. Regards Achim On May 15, 2010, at 1:31 PM, ??? wrote: > Dear Dear all? > I am puzzled again.I am simulating an low-carbon building with > double-skin facade for the south facade.I need calculate out the > comprehensive transfer coefficient h(W/m2.K),then compare it with > that of normal single window.I was thinking maybe I can output the > temperature and heat conduction of the interior and exterior > surfaces.But when I used the surface fluxes facility,and choosed > conduction(inside) or conduction(other face),it turned out all > zero.Why? > > ??Messenger???2.0????????? ?????? > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100515/c4d50ad0/attachment.html From luckygrass100 at hotmail.com Sun May 16 02:15:23 2010 From: luckygrass100 at hotmail.com (=?gb2312?B?zfW+1buo?=) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 09:15:23 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] FW: surface fluxes In-Reply-To: <1AF6033E-4A96-4607-9A60-07E1443AE817@intergga.ch> References: , <1AF6033E-4A96-4607-9A60-07E1443AE817@intergga.ch> Message-ID: Dear Achim, I am sorry I have't expressed my minds clearly.I know there is no straightforward way to calculate U-value,which is exactly what I mean.So I want to find an easy way to do that,U=Q/?ST.Q is the heat conduction of the double-skin facade.?ST is the temperature difference of interior and exterior surfaces.As you say,using a simple tool like WIS can calculate U value.But there are many openings for the exterior glass of double-skin facade in my model,so there is ventilation between the air gap and environment.I realize this by building zones for the air gap area and flow connections for the openings.I try to use result analysis > surface fluxes> conduction(inside) or conduction(other face) facility in esp-r,the output results are all zero.Maybe it is not practical to calculate U value in this way,I thought out another way to do this.I can use WINDOW5.0 to calculate U value of double-skin facade without ventilation,then campare loads of double-skin facade with and without ventilation in esp-r,divide the load difference by ?ST.Suppose the result is ?SU,then plus ?SU with U value of double-skin facade without ventilation.Does the final result make sense?Anxiously expecting your kind answers.Many thanks. CC: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch To: luckygrass100 at hotmail.com Subject: Re: [esp-r] surface fluxes Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 19:20:29 +0200 Hi not sure what you mean. What turned out zero? All the values in the res-variables you name? Or your subsequent calculations? Anyway, there is no straightforward way to extract the U-value (if that is what you mean with comprehensive transfer coefficient) of a double facade construction. I would recommend using a simple tool like WIS to compare your window / facade constructions in regard to basic parameters (g-value, U-value). And look at overall loads to compare the impact on the building as a system. Regards Achim On May 15, 2010, at 1:31 PM, ?????? wrote: Dear Dear all?? I am puzzled again.I am simulating an low-carbon building with double-skin facade for the south facade.I need calculate out the comprehensive transfer coefficient h(W/m2.K),then compare it with that of normal single window.I was thinking maybe I can output the temperature and heat conduction of the interior and exterior surfaces.But when I used the surface fluxes facility,and choosed conduction(inside) or conduction(other face),it turned out all zero.Why? ????????????????????MSN?????? ?????????? _________________________________________________________________ ??????????????????Windows Live?????????????????? http://windowslivesky.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!5892B6048E2498BD!889.entry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100516/a977c8f3/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Sun May 16 10:04:22 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 11:04:22 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: FW: surface fluxes In-Reply-To: References: , <1AF6033E-4A96-4607-9A60-07E1443AE817@intergga.ch> Message-ID: Dear Daisy (?) that all the said values are zero is strange. I just checked the results of a double facade model and e.g. conduction(inside) is not zero for the glass surfaces both facing the zone and the facade gap. Which save level are you using? 4? Also, WIS calculates U-values for double facades both unventilated and ventilated (based on the approach described in ISO 15099). So, as "facade description", this may suffice. For the combination "building and facade", it is tricky. Any loads reported by ESP-r take storage effects into account, also. So it will be very difficult if not impossible to derive a meaningful U-value for a double facade (loads, gains, losses across two or more zones) from the results given. Additionally, all the convective heat transfer coefficients in ESP-r are not the same as used in standard U-value calculation by default. However, in my experience, the facade must be described by the standard numbers (non-transient U-value, g-value) anyway, so a contractor can deliver to those numbers. Which values are most beneficial to the system "building" must be derived from the overall model based on loads and / or comfort criteria results from ESP-r. Going back and forth, one could optimize the facade parameters to meet the building situation in this way and have a "contractor-ready" description of the facade parameters to hand. Best Achim On May 16, 2010, at 3:15 AM, ??? wrote: > Dear Achim, > I am sorry I have't expressed my minds clearly.I know there is > no straightforward way to calculate U-value,which is exactly what I > mean.So I want to find an easy way to do that,U=Q/?T.Q is the heat > conduction of the double-skin facade.?T is the temperature > difference of interior and exterior surfaces.As you say,using a > simple tool like WIS can calculate U value.But there are many > openings for the exterior glass of double-skin facade in my model,so > there is ventilation between the air gap and environment.I realize > this by building zones for the air gap area and flow connections for > the openings.I try to use result analysis >surface fluxes> > conduction(inside) or conduction(other face) facility in esp-r,the > output results are all zero.Maybe it is not practical to calculate U > value in this way,I thought out another way to do this.I can use > WINDOW5.0 to calculate U value of double-skin facade without > ventilation,then campare loads of double-skin facade with and > without ventilation in esp-r,divide the load difference by > ?T.Suppose the result is ?U,then plus ?U with U value of double- > skin facade without ventilation.Does the final result make sense? > Anxiously expecting your kind answers.Many thanks. > > > > > > CC: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch > To: luckygrass100 at hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [esp-r] surface fluxes > Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 19:20:29 +0200 > > Hi > > not sure what you mean. What turned out zero? All the values in the > res-variables you name? Or your subsequent calculations? Anyway, > there is no straightforward way to extract the U-value (if that is > what you mean with comprehensive transfer coefficient) of a double > facade construction. > > I would recommend using a simple tool like WIS to compare your > window / facade constructions in regard to basic parameters (g- > value, U-value). And look at overall loads to compare the impact on > the building as a system. > > Regards > Achim > > > On May 15, 2010, at 1:31 PM, ??? wrote: > > Dear Dear all? > I am puzzled again.I am simulating an low-carbon building with > double-skin facade for the south facade.I need calculate out the > comprehensive transfer coefficient h(W/m2.K),then compare it with > that of normal single window.I was thinking maybe I can output the > temperature and heat conduction of the interior and exterior > surfaces.But when I used the surface fluxes facility,and choosed > conduction(inside) or conduction(other face),it turned out all > zero.Why? > > ??????????MSN??? ????? > ??Messenger???2.0????????? ?????? > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100516/92625523/attachment-0001.html From dfaggembauu at gmail.com Sun May 16 11:15:55 2010 From: dfaggembauu at gmail.com (Debora Faggembauu) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 12:15:55 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: FW: surface fluxes In-Reply-To: References: <1AF6033E-4A96-4607-9A60-07E1443AE817@intergga.ch> Message-ID: Dear luckygrass, I have read your comments on espr-list, sorry I?m not an ESPr user, but what is necessary to say is if you are considering that the U value has really no sense on a transient simulation, because external temperatures are varying, and so the ventilation inside the gap of the double skin. You could in same way ?fool the code? (I don?t know how to do it in espr because I?m not an user) but if it is possible you could impose constant temperatures (outside and inside) and obtain the heat flux through the fa?ade, then divide by the temperature difference, and you?ll get an U value. Other way, could be, simulating some hours or a day, and postprocessing for each instant, the heat flux through the fa?ade, dividing by the difference temperature for that instant. In this way, you will obtain a series of U values, and you could obtain the mean. But you?ll see that if you consider night and day, the results of U value will be disappointing (because the transient conditions impose than during night and day the results will be different and the mean has no sense) May be you could try the same calculation, with central hours of a summer and winter day, and obtain data relevant for you. I have calculated some U values for double facades, with a transient code, imposing constant conditions, with the only intention of comparing with other U values, but I repeat this value has no sense on a transient simulation. I hope I could help you. ;-) 2010/5/16 Achim Geissler > Dear Daisy (?) > > that all the said values are zero is strange. I just checked the results of > a double facade model and e.g. conduction(inside) is not zero for the glass > surfaces both facing the zone and the facade gap. Which save level are you > using? 4? > > Also, WIS calculates U-values for double facades both unventilated and > ventilated (based on the approach described in ISO 15099). So, as "facade > description", this may suffice. > > For the combination "building and facade", it is tricky. Any loads reported > by ESP-r take storage effects into account, also. So it will be very > difficult if not impossible to derive a meaningful U-value for a double > facade (loads, gains, losses across two or more zones) from the results > given. Additionally, all the convective heat transfer coefficients in ESP-r > are not the same as used in standard U-value calculation by default. > > However, in my experience, the facade must be described by the standard > numbers (non-transient U-value, g-value) anyway, so a contractor can deliver > to those numbers. Which values are most beneficial to the system "building" > must be derived from the overall model based on loads and / or comfort > criteria results from ESP-r. Going back and forth, one could optimize the > facade parameters to meet the building situation in this way and have a > "contractor-ready" description of the facade parameters to hand. > > Best > Achim > > > > On May 16, 2010, at 3:15 AM, ??? wrote: > > Dear Achim, > I am sorry I have't expressed my minds clearly.I know there is no > straightforward way to calculate U-value,which is exactly what I mean.So I > want to find an easy way to do that,U=Q/?T.Q is the heat conduction of the > double-skin facade.?T is the temperature difference of interior and > exterior surfaces.As you say,using a simple tool like WIS can calculate U > value.But there are many openings for the exterior glass of double-skin > facade in my model,so there is ventilation between the air gap and > environment.I realize this by building zones for the air gap area and flow > connections for the openings.I try to use* result analysis >surface > fluxes>* *conduction(inside) or conduction(other face) *facility in > esp-r,the output results are all zero.Maybe it is not practical to > calculate U value in this way,I thought out another way to do this.I can use > WINDOW5.0 to calculate U value of double-skin facade without > ventilation,then campare loads of double-skin facade with and without > ventilation in esp-r,divide the load difference by ?T.Suppose the result > is ?U,then plus ?U with U value of double-skin facade without > ventilation.Does the final result make sense?Anxiously expecting your kind > answers.Many thanks. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > CC: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch > To: luckygrass100 at hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [esp-r] surface fluxes > Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 19:20:29 +0200 > > Hi > > not sure what you mean. What turned out zero? All the values in the > res-variables you name? Or your subsequent calculations? Anyway, there is no > straightforward way to extract the U-value (if that is what you mean with > comprehensive transfer coefficient) of a double facade construction. > > I would recommend using a simple tool like WIS to compare your window / > facade constructions in regard to basic parameters (g-value, U-value). And > look at overall loads to compare the impact on the building as a system. > > Regards > Achim > > > On May 15, 2010, at 1:31 PM, ??? wrote: > > Dear Dear all? > I am puzzled again.I am simulating an low-carbon building with > double-skin facade for the south facade.I need calculate out the > comprehensive transfer coefficient h(W/m2.K),then compare it with that of > normal single window.I was thinking maybe I can output the temperature and > heat conduction of the interior and exterior surfaces.But when I used the > *surface fluxes* facility,and choosed *conduction(inside) or conduction(other > face),*it turned out all zero.Why? > > > ------------------------------ > ??????????MSN??? ????? > ------------------------------ > ??Messenger???2.0????????? ?????? > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > > achim.geissler at intergga.ch > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > -- D?bora Faggembauu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100520/7631b2da/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu May 20 14:38:01 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 14:38:01 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: .htc and additional day types In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413E10146F44B@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A look at the code indicates that the data structures for heat transfer coef will need some modifications to work with the expanded calendar. It will not require rocket science to do this. Well spotted that this facility needs so attention. Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Achim.geissler [achim.geissler at intergga.ch] Sent: 20 May 2010 13:44 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] .htc and additional day types Dear all has anybody used the "control convective transfer coefficients" (.htc type file) in combination with additional day types successfully? A test run with a "only standard day types" is O.K., a run with a model using own / additional day types gives no results (not the same model, though the same general .htc between both). Thanks for any ideas. Best Achim From ptavares at mail.isec.pt Mon May 24 16:08:30 2010 From: ptavares at mail.isec.pt (Paulo Tavares) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 16:08:30 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Why this message? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20100524160439.017ddd68@pop.isec.pt> Hello all. Anyone knows why i have this message "unable to get stats on FLUC0.cfg" (in the ubuntu command line) every time i open my project? I have made some correct simulations with this model! Thanks in advance. Best regards, Paulo Tavares From luckygrass100 at hotmail.com Tue May 25 10:29:58 2010 From: luckygrass100 at hotmail.com (=?gb2312?B?zfW+1buo?=) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 17:29:58 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] Is network flow necessary for a model to calculate load correctly, even there is only small crack infiltration? Message-ID: Dear all, I found longer time I use Esp-r,more questions turn up.Even sometimes the questions are all simple but necessary need known by users. This time,I wonder if a network flow is necessary for a model to calculate load correctly.I have built a model and found that even I add a network flow with small opening componets to connect nodes,the load simulation results change greatly comparing to that of model without network flows.Further,whether we must build connections for every nodes.Take an example,I just open the south window of the model,with the north window closed.I connect the south boundary node to the internal node with opening component and don't consider the north boundary node.Is this OK? Thank you for your kind answers in advance. _________________________________________________________________ ?????????????????msn????? http://ditu.live.com/?form=TL&swm=1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100525/60bff2e2/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue May 25 13:45:45 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 13:45:45 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: high longware flux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413E1049B640D@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> The longwave flux warning is triggered if the longwave exchange is over a certain value. The value is based on calculations which are sensitive to the solar angle and humidity and the properties of the surface. This is not an issue if it happens a few times in a simulation. If it happens several hundred times then it may be that there is some questionable data in your climate file. The warning tends to happen with surfaces that mostly face the sky. The other factor is the thermophysical properties of the construction. A very thin metal foil over a thick insulation could result in this type of warning. Running at a shorter timestep can help to make the estimate of long wave radiant exchange more accurate. -ESRU ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? [luckygrass100 at hotmail.com] Sent: 25 May 2010 10:42 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] high longware flux Dear everyone, Have you met the similar warning that ?a longware flux of -496 Watts has been calculated for wall-4:6-2.This is considered high and a correlation will be used? when simulating?What gives rise to so high longware flux possibly?Will the correlation cause wrong simulation results?So complicated! ________________________________ ??Messenger???2.0????????? ?????? From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue May 25 13:51:15 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 13:51:15 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Why this message? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20100524160439.017ddd68@pop.isec.pt> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20100524160439.017ddd68@pop.isec.pt> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413E1049B640E@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Further information is required to answer this quesstion: a) what specific command are you using to start esp-r? b) where are you (which folder) when you give this command? c) what are the permissions set for the folder where the model cfg file is located (to a 'ls -l' command). -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Paulo Tavares [ptavares at mail.isec.pt] Sent: 24 May 2010 16:08 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Why this message? Hello all. Anyone knows why i have this message "unable to get stats on FLUC0.cfg" (in the ubuntu command line) every time i open my project? I have made some correct simulations with this model! Thanks in advance. Best regards, Paulo Tavares _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From ptavares at mail.isec.pt Tue May 25 15:54:15 2010 From: ptavares at mail.isec.pt (Paulo Tavares) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 15:54:15 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Why this message? In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413E1049B640E@E2K7-MS2.ds.str ath.ac.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20100524160439.017ddd68@pop.isec.pt> <5.1.0.14.0.20100524160439.017ddd68@pop.isec.pt> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20100525155253.017dbe30@pop.isec.pt> Good afternoon. Jon, in attach i send you an image that responds to your questions. Please tell me what i'm doing wrong! Regards, Paulo Tavares At 13:51 25-05-2010 +0100, Jon Hand wrote: >Further information is required to answer this quesstion: > >a) what specific command are you using to start esp-r? > >b) where are you (which folder) when you give this command? > >c) what are the permissions set for the folder where the model cfg file is >located > (to a 'ls -l' command). > >-Jon Hand >________________________________________ >From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] >On Behalf Of Paulo Tavares [ptavares at mail.isec.pt] >Sent: 24 May 2010 16:08 >To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >Subject: [esp-r] Why this message? > >Hello all. > >Anyone knows why i have this message "unable to get stats on FLUC0.cfg" (in >the ubuntu command line) every time i open my project? I have made some >correct simulations with this model! > >Thanks in advance. > >Best regards, > >Paulo Tavares > > > > >_______________________________________________ >esp-r mailing list >esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > >_______________________________________________ >esp-r mailing list >esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: jon_hand.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 307880 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100525/7faaa456/attachment-0001.jpe From manzan at units.it Tue May 25 18:08:50 2010 From: manzan at units.it (Marco Manzan) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 19:08:50 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: high longware flux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100525190850.6185798fmp9lz9k0@wmail1.units.it> > Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 17:42:16 +0800 > From: ??? > Subject: [esp-r] high longware flux > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" > > > Dear everyone, > > Have you met the similar warning that ?a longware flux of > -496 Watts has been calculated for wall-4:6-2.This is considered > high and a correlation will be used? when simulating?What gives rise > to so high longware flux possibly?Will the correlation cause wrong > simulation results?So complicated! > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > ?????????Windows Live????????? > http://windowslivesky.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!5892B6048E2498BD!889.entry > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100525/60bff2e2/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 13:45:45 +0100 > From: Jon Hand > Subject: [esp-r] Re: high longware flux > To: ??? , "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" > > Message-ID: > <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413E1049B640D at E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" > > > The longwave flux warning is triggered if the longwave exchange is > over a certain value. > The value is based on calculations which are sensitive to the solar > angle and humidity > and the properties of the surface. This is not an issue if it > happens a few times in a simulation. > > If it happens several hundred times then it may be that there is > some questionable data > in your climate file. The warning tends to happen with surfaces > that mostly face the sky. > > The other factor is the thermophysical properties of the > construction. A very thin > metal foil over a thick insulation could result in this type of > warning. Running at a > shorter timestep can help to make the estimate of long wave radiant exchange > more accurate. > > -ESRU This is a useful message indicating that you are working with a too high timestep for the outer layer of your construction. A said by John Hand you can reduce the time step, but if it is excessively short you can also fictitiously increase the capacitance of the the outer layer. You can compare the results between the two methods and if the results of the second are not very different from those obtained with a shorter timestep you can proceed with the larger one. The error occurs because the low capacitance outer layer receives energy from the sun therefore increases its temperature resulting in an excessive shortwave radiation exiting the layer. In the subsequent timestep its temperature is too low, sometimes causing a longwave radiation entering the layer and therefore an higher temperature in the next step and so on in a wavy pattern, increasng the capacitance helps stabilizing the wavy pattern. Marco -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria Navale, del Mare e per l'Ambiente | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri May 28 09:16:19 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:16:19 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Is network flow necessary for a model to calculate load correctly, even there is only small crack infiltration? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413E1049B6424@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Some ESP-r uses prefer to include air flow networks in their models to represent the mixing between rooms (via open doors) or open plan office spaces which have been represented as multiple thermal zones. In other cases air flow networks might be of interest to account for the influence of wind direction and speed on infiltration rates (in comparison to scheduled air flow). The comment about creating connections between all nodes - a sketch of the network would be helpful. If a network has 5 nodes it is not necessary that each node is connected to every other node. If there is zero flow through the north window then there does not need to be a connection through the north window. In reality all windows have small cracks and many flow networks describe such cracks. And if you look at the exemplar model 3_windows you will see that there are several ways to define air flow associated with windows. And yes, the addition of air flow calculations can change the energy predictions within a model - whether the changed predictions are correct depends on whether the model is correct. What, specifically is different about the performance predicted for the model with and without a flow network? How does the zone energy balance change? What is the difference in the reported infiltration and ventilation? Assuring the quality of a model usually involves getting other professionals to review a model. And ESRU and other groups offer such services for a consulting fee. The inclusion of additional analysis in a model (for example surface viewfactors calculations or air flow networks) should be judged on a case-by-case basis. What do you imagine might be happening within the building? Is this well represented by default assumptions or is more detail required? -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? [luckygrass100 at hotmail.com] Sent: 25 May 2010 10:29 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Is network flow necessary for a model to calculate load correctly, even there is only small crack infiltration? Dear all, I found longer time I use Esp-r,more questions turn up.Even sometimes the questions are all simple but necessary need known by users. This time,I wonder if a network flow is necessary for a model to calculate load correctly.I have built a model and found that even I add a network flow with small opening componets to connect nodes,the load simulation results change greatly comparing to that of model without network flows.Further,whether we must build connections for every nodes.Take an example,I just open the south window of the model,with the north window closed.I connect the south boundary node to the internal node with opening component and don't consider the north boundary node.Is this OK? Thank you for your kind answers in advance. ________________________________ ??????????MSN??? ????? From lzytongji at yahoo.com.cn Fri May 28 21:55:40 2010 From: lzytongji at yahoo.com.cn (lzytongji at yahoo.com.cn) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 04:55:40 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiBlc3AtciBEaWdlc3QsIFZvbCA0NiwgSXNzdWUgMTU=?= Message-ID: <380701.64996.qm@smtp124-mob.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ----- ???? ----- ???: esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk ????: 2010?5?29? 0:30 ???: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk ??: esp-r Digest, Vol 46, Issue 15 Send esp-r mailing list submissions to esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk You can reach the person managing the list at esp-r-owner at lists.strath.ac.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of esp-r digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Is network flow necessary for a model to calculate load correctly, even there is only small crack infiltration? (Jon Hand) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:16:19 +0100 From: Jon Hand Subject: [esp-r] Re: Is network flow necessary for a model to calculate load correctly, even there is only small crack infiltration? To: ??? , "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413E1049B6424 at E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Some ESP-r uses prefer to include air flow networks in their models to represent the mixing between rooms (via open doors) or open plan office spaces which have been represented as multiple thermal zones. In other cases air flow networks might be of interest to account for the influence of wind direction and speed on infiltration rates (in comparison to scheduled air flow). The comment about creating connections between all nodes - a sketch of the network would be helpful. If a network has 5 nodes it is not necessary that each node is connected to every other node. If there is zero flow through the north window then there does not need to be a connection through the north window. In reality all windows have small cracks and many flow networks describe such cracks. And if you look at the exemplar model 3_windows you will see that there are several ways [?????????] From mgjm.jacobs at gmail.com Wed Jun 2 09:27:59 2010 From: mgjm.jacobs at gmail.com (Marco Jacobs) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 10:27:59 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Air gap resistance too small-message Message-ID: Dear all, As a new user of ESP-r, I'm having difficulties when defining new materials and constructions. I have added new constructions for a window and a glass facade, both divided in an outer glass sheet, a cavity with an Argon filling, and another glass sheet. Now I get the message: "Air gap resistance too small in zone X, surface Y, gap Z, please increase!" When looking back at my zone definitions, the indicated surfaces are all glass/window surfaces. I had the same problem with my outer wall definition, but changing the conductivity up, and finally back down to the desired value was enough to solve this. I have tried the same for the window constructions, but it doesn't seem to help. What exactly is the problem, and how to solve it? Thank you in advance. Kind regards, Marco Jacobs TNO-Building Brains WP3 - Smart Energy Systems Pillar Climate & Comfort -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What values were you entering for the air gap resistances? -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Marco Jacobs [mgjm.jacobs at gmail.com] Sent: 02 June 2010 09:27 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Air gap resistance too small-message Dear all, As a new user of ESP-r, I'm having difficulties when defining new materials and constructions. I have added new constructions for a window and a glass facade, both divided in an outer glass sheet, a cavity with an Argon filling, and another glass sheet. Now I get the message: "Air gap resistance too small in zone X, surface Y, gap Z, please increase!" When looking back at my zone definitions, the indicated surfaces are all glass/window surfaces. I had the same problem with my outer wall definition, but changing the conductivity up, and finally back down to the desired value was enough to solve this. I have tried the same for the window constructions, but it doesn't seem to help. What exactly is the problem, and how to solve it? Thank you in advance. Kind regards, Marco Jacobs TNO-Building Brains WP3 - Smart Energy Systems Pillar Climate & Comfort From mgjm.jacobs at gmail.com Mon Jun 7 08:44:21 2010 From: mgjm.jacobs at gmail.com (Marco Jacobs) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:44:21 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Air gap resistance too small-message In-Reply-To: <48FF1C31-78C1-4519-9D59-57717D2B29F3@intergga.ch> References: <48FF1C31-78C1-4519-9D59-57717D2B29F3@intergga.ch> Message-ID: Hello Achim, Jon and others, Editing the .con files manually fixed the problem. Problem appeared when I changed some optical properties and had all the zone-files updatet by the built-in function. Before that I had no problem. I even tried to substitute the Argon-layer with one of the predefined materials which come with the ESP-r distribution, but that did not solve the problem for me. I'm enclosing the whole model as a zip file. (please change the extension to .zip, my mail-provider won't let me send executable files) FYI: I'm using the Cygwin version of ESP-r version 11.8. Only other strange thing now is that it says that there are faults in the surface topology. When I check, it says something about surfaces indicated as SIMILAR, but there are no surfaces mentioned in the listing. I made some mistakes with that before, but I already corrected them. -- Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Marco Jacobs TNO-Building Brains WP3 - Smart Energy Systems Pillar Climate & Comfort http://www.buildingbrains.eu/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100607/382bebdd/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The projects in our group are: * Impacts of climate change on the indoor environment and energy consumption - the focus is on further development of high-resolution whole-building simulation (combination of building energy simulation, building envelope heat-air-moisture transfer models and computational fluid dynamics models) and application of these models to predict indoor environmental parameters and energy consumption. Further details at http://jobs.tue.nl/wd/plsql/wd_portal.show_job?p_web_site_id=3085&p_web_page_id=109709 * Climate change adaptation measures: adaptive buildings and occupants - the focus is on adapting the building envelope and incorporating user behaviour in the above high-resolution whole-building simulation models. Further details at http://jobs.tue.nl/wd/plsql/wd_portal.show_job?p_web_site_id=3085&p_web_page_id=109720 Please don't hesitate to contact me for further information. I would appreciate it very much if you could forward this message to potential applicants. Thanks in advance! Jan prof. dr. ir. Jan L.M. Hensen | www.bwk.tue.nl/bps/hensen | +31 (0)40 247 2988 | Building Physics & Systems | Eindhoven University of Technology | P.O. Box 513 - VRT6.18 | 5600 MB EINDHOVEN, Netherlands -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100607/19344f78/attachment.html From sadeghipour at gmail.com Wed Jun 9 11:28:52 2010 From: sadeghipour at gmail.com (Mostapha Sadeghipour) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:58:52 +0430 Subject: [esp-r] Zero Stack Pressure Message-ID: Dear esp-r users, I'm modeling an atrium with a closed glass roof. The atrium has nearly 16m height and it only connects to the outside through 3 cracks on the roof. I divided the atrium into 5 vertical zones, and adjacent vertical bypass zones. They are connected to each other through fictitious faces. Common orifice components connect zone nodes to each other vertically, and door component connects zone nodes to bypass nodes horizontally. The attached image shows the Air Flow Network in my model more clearly. I supposed that esp-r includes the stack effect whenever delta height between the nodes and the component is not zero. So I expected to have a stack pressure in the vertical connections. But when I check the results the stack pressure in the connections are zero! I'm also curious how esp-r consider the stack effects and the gravity? The components dP are set manually and there is no "g" in the equations? Where I can find the PSTACK equations that is used to calculate DP: DP=PRES(IDPS)-PRES(IDNE)+PSTACK(ICNN). Thanks in advance. Mostapha Sadeghipour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100609/6b84afc0/attachment.html From aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk Wed Jun 9 12:24:08 2010 From: aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk (Aizaz Samuel) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:24:08 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Zero Stack Pressure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201006091224.09146.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> Look up how node heights are defined in exemplars>network ventilation>alternative facade vent..... Theory can be found in Jan Hensen's thesis (section 4.3.2) available at http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/publications.htm -- Dr Aizaz A Samuel Department of Mechanical Engineering University of Strathclyde M324 James Weir Building 75 Montrose Street Glasgow, UK G1 1XJ T:+44 141 548 5765 F:+44 141 552 5105 On Wednesday 09 June 2010 11:28, Mostapha Sadeghipour wrote: > Dear esp-r users, > > I'm modeling an atrium with a closed glass roof. The atrium has nearly 16m > height and it only connects to the outside through 3 cracks on the roof. I > divided the atrium into 5 vertical zones, and adjacent vertical bypass > zones. They are connected to each other through fictitious faces. > > Common orifice components connect zone nodes to each other vertically, and > door component connects zone nodes to bypass nodes horizontally. The > attached image shows the Air Flow Network in my model more clearly. > > I supposed that esp-r includes the stack effect whenever delta height > between the nodes and the component is not zero. So I expected to have a > stack pressure in the vertical connections. But when I check the results > the stack pressure in the connections are zero! > > I'm also curious how esp-r consider the stack effects and the gravity? The > components dP are set manually and there is no "g" in the equations? Where > I can find the PSTACK equations that is used to calculate DP: > DP=PRES(IDPS)-PRES(IDNE)+PSTACK(ICNN). > > Thanks in advance. > > Mostapha Sadeghipour From david.garcias at gmail.com Wed Jun 9 10:34:08 2010 From: david.garcias at gmail.com (David Garcia) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:34:08 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] importing a .DXF file in ESP-r with google sketchup pro 7 Message-ID: I'm trying to work with google sketchup pro 7 and to import a .DXF file into ESP-r, but unfortunatelly it simply doesn't work in the prj graphical version just nothing happens it doesn't appear an error message neither the model imported. In the linux terminal this message appears: Input file is: /home/david/test_google/test.dxf ecnv_error unknown_output_file STOP ecnv aborted. I was trying to use a really simple .dxf file in sketchup (just a cube) but neither that works. somebody has already been succesfull in importing a dxf file? I was also looking to previous post and it seems nobody has already been succesfull in importing .dxf files. -- David GARCIA SANCHEZ ------------------------------------------------------------ D?partement Syst?mes ?nerg?tiques Environnement Ecole des Mines de Nantes 4, Rue Alfred Kastler 44300 Nantes France ------------------------------------------------------------ Email: david.garcia-sanchez at emn.fr Tel: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 14 Mobile: +33 (0) 6 78 15 08 09 Fax: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 99 ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100609/887fa814/attachment.html From sadeghipour at gmail.com Wed Jun 9 13:47:13 2010 From: sadeghipour at gmail.com (Mostapha Sadeghipour) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 17:17:13 +0430 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Zero Stack Pressure In-Reply-To: <201006091224.09146.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> References: <201006091224.09146.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hello Aizaz, I think the problem is not the node heights in my case, however I'm not sure. The .afn file is attached. Regards, Mostapha Sadeghipour On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Aizaz Samuel wrote: > Look up how node heights are defined in exemplars>network > ventilation>alternative facade vent..... > > Theory can be found in Jan Hensen's thesis (section 4.3.2) available at > http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/publications.htm > -- > Dr Aizaz A Samuel > Department of Mechanical Engineering > University of Strathclyde > M324 James Weir Building > 75 Montrose Street > Glasgow, UK > G1 1XJ > > T:+44 141 548 5765 > F:+44 141 552 5105 > > On Wednesday 09 June 2010 11:28, Mostapha Sadeghipour wrote: > > Dear esp-r users, > > > > I'm modeling an atrium with a closed glass roof. The atrium has nearly > 16m > > height and it only connects to the outside through 3 cracks on the roof. > I > > divided the atrium into 5 vertical zones, and adjacent vertical bypass > > zones. They are connected to each other through fictitious faces. > > > > Common orifice components connect zone nodes to each other vertically, > and > > door component connects zone nodes to bypass nodes horizontally. The > > attached image shows the Air Flow Network in my model more clearly. > > > > I supposed that esp-r includes the stack effect whenever delta height > > between the nodes and the component is not zero. So I expected to have a > > stack pressure in the vertical connections. But when I check the results > > the stack pressure in the connections are zero! > > > > I'm also curious how esp-r consider the stack effects and the gravity? > The > > components dP are set manually and there is no "g" in the equations? > Where > > I can find the PSTACK equations that is used to calculate DP: > > DP=PRES(IDPS)-PRES(IDNE)+PSTACK(ICNN). > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Mostapha Sadeghipour > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks David Garcia -- David GARCIA SANCHEZ ------------------------------------------------------------ D?partement Syst?mes ?nerg?tiques Environnement Ecole des Mines de Nantes 4, Rue Alfred Kastler 44300 Nantes France ------------------------------------------------------------ Email: david.garcia-sanchez at emn.fr Tel: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 14 Mobile: +33 (0) 6 78 15 08 09 Fax: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 99 ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100609/3a6bc62d/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Wed Jun 9 21:11:53 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 22:11:53 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Zero Stack Pressure In-Reply-To: References: <201006091224.09146.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <5188E01B-56FA-4DD0-8384-021A2CE1AC92@intergga.ch> Hi Mostapha looking at your .afn, I think the problem is that all your connections to external nodes are in one zone (01). To get an afn up and running, a basic requirement is that for every zone you can go from an external node to a zone ... to >the< zone ... to a zone ... and so on and then to a (different) external node again. I think this does not hold for your afn. Add a connection type "tiny", e.g. a crack a factor 10 or 100 smaller than your _crk types and connect the lowermost zone(s) to an additional external node. Then something should happen and there should be pressure differences. Best Achim On Jun 9, 2010, at 2:47 PM, Mostapha Sadeghipour wrote: > Hello Aizaz, > > I think the problem is not the node heights in my case, however I'm > not sure. The .afn file is attached. > > Regards, > > Mostapha Sadeghipour > > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Aizaz Samuel > wrote: > Look up how node heights are defined in exemplars>network > ventilation>alternative facade vent..... > > Theory can be found in Jan Hensen's thesis (section 4.3.2) available > at > http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/publications.htm > -- > Dr Aizaz A Samuel > Department of Mechanical Engineering > University of Strathclyde > M324 James Weir Building > 75 Montrose Street > Glasgow, UK > G1 1XJ > > T:+44 141 548 5765 > F:+44 141 552 5105 > > On Wednesday 09 June 2010 11:28, Mostapha Sadeghipour wrote: > > Dear esp-r users, > > > > I'm modeling an atrium with a closed glass roof. The atrium has > nearly 16m > > height and it only connects to the outside through 3 cracks on the > roof. I > > divided the atrium into 5 vertical zones, and adjacent vertical > bypass > > zones. They are connected to each other through fictitious faces. > > > > Common orifice components connect zone nodes to each other > vertically, and > > door component connects zone nodes to bypass nodes horizontally. The > > attached image shows the Air Flow Network in my model more clearly. > > > > I supposed that esp-r includes the stack effect whenever delta > height > > between the nodes and the component is not zero. So I expected to > have a > > stack pressure in the vertical connections. But when I check the > results > > the stack pressure in the connections are zero! > > > > I'm also curious how esp-r consider the stack effects and the > gravity? The > > components dP are set manually and there is no "g" in the > equations? Where > > I can find the PSTACK equations that is used to calculate DP: > > DP=PRES(IDPS)-PRES(IDNE)+PSTACK(ICNN). > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Mostapha Sadeghipour > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100609/3c9df90e/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Wed Jun 9 21:17:53 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 22:17:53 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: XZIP software... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi David to my knowledge, the xzip tools that are still lurking in ESP-r are obsolete (for quite some time now). I think the current development_branch (and next release) uses .dxf as default. However, be aware that dxf import is also restricted (I never succeeded in importing more than, say, 3 or 4 zones with maybe 10 to 12 surfaces each at once). Best Achim On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:56 PM, David Garcia wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to make complex buildings in ESP-r, unfortunately the > complex geometry made this task difficult to make in ESP-r, so I'm > looking forward to third-party applications, I was searching in > google for the XZIP tools, but it seems that it doesn't exist... > even at the IES website... > > can some of you give me a link where I can download or buy this > software? > > Thanks > > David Garcia > > -- > David GARCIA SANCHEZ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > D?partement Syst?mes ?nerg?tiques Environnement > Ecole des Mines de Nantes > 4, Rue Alfred Kastler > 44300 Nantes > France > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Email: david.garcia-sanchez at emn.fr > Tel: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 14 > Mobile: +33 (0) 6 78 15 08 09 > Fax: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 99 > ------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best Achim On Jun 9, 2010, at 11:34 AM, David Garcia wrote: > > I'm trying to work with google sketchup pro 7 and to import a .DXF > file into ESP-r, but unfortunatelly it simply doesn't work in the > prj graphical version just nothing happens it doesn't appear an > error message neither the model imported. > > In the linux terminal this message appears: > > Input file is: /home/david/test_google/test.dxf > ecnv_error unknown_output_file > STOP ecnv aborted. > > I was trying to use a really simple .dxf file in sketchup (just a > cube) but neither that works. > > somebody has already been succesfull in importing a dxf file? I was > also looking to previous post and it seems nobody has already been > succesfull in importing .dxf files. > > > -- > David GARCIA SANCHEZ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > D?partement Syst?mes ?nerg?tiques Environnement > Ecole des Mines de Nantes > 4, Rue Alfred Kastler > 44300 Nantes > France > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Email: david.garcia-sanchez at emn.fr > Tel: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 14 > Mobile: +33 (0) 6 78 15 08 09 > Fax: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 99 > ------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100609/281ee8a2/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Jun 9 22:02:04 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 22:02:04 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: XZIP software... In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413E107E76991@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> XZIP might be long dead for most people. DXF suffers from being both ugly and its inability to hold the kind of attributes that simulation needs. And there are some new beasties on the block (Revit and ArchiCAD) and I have been testing out interfaces to both of these which bypass the DXF and generate a well populated (zones, constructions, operations) ESP-r model (there are some limitations of course). I am actually meeting today with a small company in Seoul Korea who is working on the ArchiCAD interface and I hope to find out what the availability is for general release (free and or paid) to the ESP-r community. I also gave a recent presentation at eSim in Winnipeg Canada on this topic. It would be interesting to find out who in the existing ESP-r community would be interested in access to plug-ins. Please email me your comments and/or expressions of interest. Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Achim Geissler [achim.geissler at intergga.ch] Sent: 09 June 2010 21:17 To: David Garcia Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: XZIP software... Hi David to my knowledge, the xzip tools that are still lurking in ESP-r are obsolete (for quite some time now). I think the current development_branch (and next release) uses .dxf as default. However, be aware that dxf import is also restricted (I never succeeded in importing more than, say, 3 or 4 zones with maybe 10 to 12 surfaces each at once). Best Achim On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:56 PM, David Garcia wrote: Hi, I'm trying to make complex buildings in ESP-r, unfortunately the complex geometry made this task difficult to make in ESP-r, so I'm looking forward to third-party applications, I was searching in google for the XZIP tools, but it seems that it doesn't exist... even at the IES website... can some of you give me a link where I can download or buy this software? Thanks David Garcia -- David GARCIA SANCHEZ ------------------------------------------------------------ D?partement Syst?mes ?nerg?tiques Environnement Ecole des Mines de Nantes 4, Rue Alfred Kastler 44300 Nantes France ------------------------------------------------------------ Email: david.garcia-sanchez at emn.fr Tel: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 14 Mobile: +33 (0) 6 78 15 08 09 Fax: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 99 ------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Jun 9 22:17:33 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 22:17:33 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Typical weeks In-Reply-To: <1625FB29959296499A2997A53E23F54201730FF2@mailx.isec.pt> References: <1625FB29959296499A2997A53E23F54201730FF2@mailx.isec.pt> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413E107E76994@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> If you want to look at the source code that does the checking go to the folder esruclm and give a 'grep -ni typical *.F' in a command line and this will provide some indicators of where in the code typical periods are determined. The subroutine that sets up the criteria is DDRADSUM and this relies on subroutine clmddscan. Note that ESP-r will attempt to find and scan a file named 'climatelist' in order to see if there is a definition of seasons in the climate file (e.g. when does spring start and end). Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Paulo Filipe de Almeida Ferreira Tavares [ptavares at isec.pt] Sent: 09 June 2010 11:57 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Typical weeks Hi all! Anyone knows where i can find the algorithm to determine the typical weeks in the climate file? I understand what is explained in the cookbook, but i need more details. Best regards, Paulo Tavares From David.Tang at owenscorning.com Thu Jun 10 04:55:40 2010 From: David.Tang at owenscorning.com (Tang, David) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:55:40 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiAgUmU6IFhaSVAgc29mdHdhcmUuLi4=?= References: , <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413E107E76991@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <75C7116929E8744596D1F206448AEB1D27405DEB0A@APHS7200.ap.corp.owenscorning.com> While Xzip was dead, it reincarnated as geo3d which is much powerful. See the attachment to judge. Best of all, it is free for all to use. With it, along with the DXF importing toolkits, we have created complex buildings and imported/exported numerous complex DXF files successfully. I am sure many users in this group will agree with that. (not that some of them made lots of $$ using it ;-). Anyone who interested is welcome to get in touch for download. Regards, david (I had to remove the attached figure but will furnish upon request). -----????----- ???: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] ?? Jon Hand ????: 2010?6?10? 5:02 ???: Achim Geissler; David Garcia ??: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk ??: [esp-r] Re: XZIP software... XZIP might be long dead for most people. DXF suffers from being both ugly and its inability to hold the kind of attributes that simulation needs. And there are some new beasties on the block (Revit and ArchiCAD) and I have been testing out interfaces to both of these which bypass the DXF and generate a well populated (zones, constructions, operations) ESP-r model (there are some limitations of course). I am actually meeting today with a small company in Seoul Korea who is working on the ArchiCAD interface and I hope to find out what the availability is for general release (free and or paid) to the ESP-r community. I also gave a recent presentation at eSim in Winnipeg Canada on this topic. It would be interesting to find out who in the existing ESP-r community would be interested in access to plug-ins. Please email me your comments and/or expressions of interest. Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Achim Geissler [achim.geissler at intergga.ch] Sent: 09 June 2010 21:17 To: David Garcia Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: XZIP software... Hi David to my knowledge, the xzip tools that are still lurking in ESP-r are obsolete (for quite some time now). I think the current development_branch (and next release) uses .dxf as default. However, be aware that dxf import is also restricted (I never succeeded in importing more than, say, 3 or 4 zones with maybe 10 to 12 surfaces each at once). Best Achim On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:56 PM, David Garcia wrote: Hi, I'm trying to make complex buildings in ESP-r, unfortunately the complex geometry made this task difficult to make in ESP-r, so I'm looking forward to third-party applications, I was searching in google for the XZIP tools, but it seems that it doesn't exist... even at the IES website... can some of you give me a link where I can download or buy this software? Thanks David Garcia -- David GARCIA SANCHEZ ------------------------------------------------------------ D?partement Syst?mes ?nerg?tiques Environnement Ecole des Mines de Nantes 4, Rue Alfred Kastler 44300 Nantes France ------------------------------------------------------------ Email: david.garcia-sanchez at emn.fr Tel: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 14 Mobile: +33 (0) 6 78 15 08 09 Fax: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 99 ------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r The information contained in this communication and its attachment(s) is intended only for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or exempt from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify postmaster at owenscorning.com and delete the communication without retaining any copies. Thank you. Translations available: http://www.owenscorning.com/emailfooter.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Thu Jun 10 07:23:19 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim.geissler) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 08:23:19 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Zero Stack Pressure Message-ID: <4cccd8c65d537a3619d97604187bc4eb@212.203.77.246> Hi Mostapha ? in addition to the below, I think your approach with only one zone having external openings may be a general problem. The flow simulation can't really solve this, I think, because what you have is a possible flow path chain >in< the atrium (which is basically set up very good, I would think) which is singularily connected to the outside. Remember that one zone node can have only one temperature / pressure at one time step. ? Also, I would expect such a large atrium to have >some< leakage in the lower floor (entrance door etc.). ? Possible measures: a) Split the topmost zone into two (or three) that each have a connect to an exterior node b) also split the lowermost zone into two c) as written below, add some leakage to the lowermost zone ? Do the thermal results seem plausible? Do you have a "nice temperature stack" in the stacked zones? ? Best Achim --------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: "Achim Geissler" An: "Mostapha Sadeghipour" Cc: "Aizaz Samuel" , esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: [esp-r] Re: Zero Stack Pressure Datum: 09/06/10 23:13 Hi Mostapha looking at your .afn, I think the problem is that all your connections to external nodes are in one zone (01). To get an afn up and running, a basic requirement is that for every zone you can go from an external node to a zone ... to >the< zone ... to a zone ... and so on and then to a (different) external node again. I think this does not hold for your afn. Add a connection type "tiny", e.g. a crack a factor 10 or 100 smaller than your _crk types and connect the lowermost zone(s) to an additional external node. Then something should happen and there should be pressure differences. BestAchim On Jun 9, 2010, at 2:47 PM, Mostapha Sadeghipour wrote: Hello Aizaz, I think the problem is not the node heights in my case, however I'm not sure. The .afn file is attached. Regards, Mostapha Sadeghipour On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Aizaz Samuel wrote: Look up how node heights are defined in exemplars>network ventilation>alternative facade vent..... Theory can be found in Jan Hensen's thesis (section 4.3.2) available at http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/publications.htm (http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/publications.htm" target="_blank) -- Dr Aizaz A Samuel Department of Mechanical Engineering University of Strathclyde M324 James Weir Building 75 Montrose Street Glasgow, UK G1 1XJ T:+44 141 548 5765 F:+44 141 552 5105 On Wednesday 09 June 2010 11:28, Mostapha Sadeghipour wrote: > Dear esp-r users, > > I'm modeling an atrium with a closed glass roof. The atrium has nearly 16m > height and it only connects to the outside through 3 cracks on the roof. I > divided the atrium into 5 vertical zones, and adjacent vertical bypass > zones. They are connected to each other through fictitious faces. > > Common orifice components connect zone nodes to each other vertically, and > door component connects zone nodes to bypass nodes horizontally. The > attached image shows the Air Flow Network in my model more clearly. > > I supposed that esp-r includes the stack effect whenever delta height > between the nodes and the component is not zero. So I expected to have a > stack pressure in the vertical connections. But when I check the results > the stack pressure in the connections are zero! > > I'm also curious how esp-r consider the stack effects and the gravity? The > components dP are set manually and there is no "g" in the equations? Where > I can find the PSTACK equations that is used to calculate DP: > DP=PRES(IDPS)-PRES(IDNE)+PSTACK(ICNN). > > Thanks in advance. > > Mostapha Sadeghipour _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk (mailto:esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk) http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch (mailto:achim.geissler at intergga.ch) _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk (mailto:esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" class="autolink) http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r (http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r" target="_blank" class="autolink) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best of all, it is free for all to use. > With it, along with the DXF importing toolkits, we have created complex > buildings and imported/exported numerous complex DXF files successfully. I > am sure many users in this group will agree with that. (not that some of > them made lots of $$ using it ;-). > Anyone who interested is welcome to get in touch for download. > > Regards, > david > > (I had to remove the attached figure but will furnish upon request). > > > -----????----- > ???: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto: > esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] ?? Jon Hand > ????: 2010?6?10? 5:02 > ???: Achim Geissler; David Garcia > ??: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > ??: [esp-r] Re: XZIP software... > > XZIP might be long dead for most people. DXF suffers from being both ugly > and its inability to hold the kind of attributes that simulation needs. > > And there are some new beasties on the block (Revit and ArchiCAD) and I > have been testing out interfaces to both of these which bypass the DXF and > generate a well populated (zones, constructions, operations) ESP-r model > (there are some limitations of course). > > I am actually meeting today with a small company in Seoul Korea who is > working on the ArchiCAD interface and I hope to find out what the > availability is for general release (free and or paid) to the ESP-r > community. > > I also gave a recent presentation at eSim in Winnipeg Canada on this topic. > It would be interesting to find out who in the existing ESP-r community > would be interested in access to plug-ins. Please email me your comments > and/or expressions of interest. > > Regards, Jon Hand > > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Achim Geissler [achim.geissler at intergga.ch] > Sent: 09 June 2010 21:17 > To: David Garcia > Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Re: XZIP software... > > Hi David > > to my knowledge, the xzip tools that are still lurking in ESP-r are > obsolete (for quite some time now). I think the current development_branch > (and next release) uses .dxf as default. > > However, be aware that dxf import is also restricted (I never succeeded in > importing more than, say, 3 or 4 zones with maybe 10 to 12 surfaces each at > once). > > Best > Achim > > > > On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:56 PM, David Garcia wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm trying to make complex buildings in ESP-r, unfortunately the complex > geometry made this task difficult to make in ESP-r, so I'm looking forward > to third-party applications, I was searching in google for the XZIP tools, > but it seems that it doesn't exist... even at the IES website... > > can some of you give me a link where I can download or buy this software? > > Thanks > > David Garcia > > -- > David GARCIA SANCHEZ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > D?partement Syst?mes ?nerg?tiques Environnement Ecole des Mines de Nantes > 4, Rue Alfred Kastler 44300 Nantes France > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Email: david.garcia-sanchez at emn.fr > Tel: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 14 > Mobile: +33 (0) 6 78 15 08 09 > Fax: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 99 > ------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > achim.geissler at intergga.ch > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > > The information contained in this communication and its attachment(s) is > intended only for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed and may > contain information that is privileged, confidential, or exempt from > disclosure. 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100610/9a1e8f11/attachment.html From sadeghipour at gmail.com Thu Jun 10 16:31:57 2010 From: sadeghipour at gmail.com (Mostapha Sadeghipour) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:01:57 +0430 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Zero Stack Pressure In-Reply-To: <4cccd8c65d537a3619d97604187bc4eb@212.203.77.246> References: <4cccd8c65d537a3619d97604187bc4eb@212.203.77.246> Message-ID: Hi Achim, Thank you. Actually this is not a large atrium. This is only 4 meter*5.1 meters in the plan. I have tried several types for splitting zones horizontally: first, one main zone and four bypass zones in four sides, then one main zone and two bypasses on the corners and finally one main zone and one bypass on the corner with a door component. The results was nearly the same. Maybe if I add a leakage to the lowest zone I see the effect. Yes! You can see the temperature stack in the attached file. Unfortunately, I have not the model now and I cannot test your suggestions in the next few days. But I will do it soon and then I will inform you the results. Thanks again, Mostapha On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Achim.geissler wrote: > Hi Mostapha > > > > in additio! n to the below, I think your approach with only one zone having > external openings may be a general problem. The flow simulation can't really > solve this, I think, because what you have is a possible flow path chain > >in< the atrium (which is basically set up very good, I would think) which > is singularily connected to the outside. Remember that one zone node can > have only one temperature / pressure at one time step. > > > > Also, I would expect such a large atrium to have >some< leakage in the > lower floor (entrance door etc.). > > > > Possible measures: > > a) Split the topmost zone into two (or three) that each have a connect to > an exterior node > > b) also split the lowermost zone into two > > c) as written below, add some leakage to the lowermost zone > > > > Do the thermal results seem plausible? Do you have a "nice temperature > stack" in the stacked zones? > > > > Best > > Achim > > > --------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Von: "Achim Geissler" > An: "Mostapha Sadeghipour" > Cc: "Aizaz Samuel" , esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Betreff: [esp-r] Re: Zero Stack Pressure > Datum: 09/06/10 23:13 > > Hi Mostapha > > looking at your .a! fn, I think the problem is that all your connections to > external nodes are in one zone (01). > > To get an afn up and running, a basic requirement is that for every zone > you can go from an external node to a zone ... to >the< zone ... to a zone > ... and so on and then to a (different) external node again. I think this > does not hold for your afn. Add a connection type "tiny", e.g. a crack a > factor 10 or 100 smaller than your _crk types and connect the lowermost > zone(s) to an additional external node. > > Then something should happen and there should be pressure differences. > > Best > Achim > > > > > On Jun 9, 2010, at 2:47 PM, Mostapha Sadeghipour wrote: > > Hello Aizaz, > > I think the problem is not the node heights in my case, however I'm not > sure. The .afn file is attached. > > Regard! s, > > Mostapha Sadeghipour > > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Aizaz Samuel wrote: > > Look up how node heights are defined in exemplars>network > ventilation>alternative facade vent..... > > Theory can be found in Jan Hensen's thesis (section 4.3.2) available at > http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/publications.htm > -- > Dr Aizaz A Samuel > Department of Mechanical Engineering > University of Strathclyde > M324 James Weir Building > 75 Montrose Street > Glasgow, UK > G1 1XJ > > T:+44 141 548 5765 > F:+44 141 552 5105 > > On Wednesday 09 June 2010 11:28, Mostapha Sadeghipour wro! te: > > > Dear esp-r users, > > > > I'm modeling an atrium with a closed glass roof. The atrium has nearly > 16m > > height and it only connects to the outside through 3 cracks on the roof. > I > > divided the atrium into 5 vertical zones, and adjacent vertical bypass > > zones. They are connected to each other through fictitious faces. > > > > Common orifice components connect zone nodes to each other vertically, > and > > door component connects zone nodes to bypass nodes horizontally. The > > attached image shows the Air Flow Network in my model more clearly. > > > > I supposed that esp-r includes the stack effect whenever delta height > > between the nodes and the component is not zero. So I expected to have a > > stack pressure in the vertical connections. But when I check the results > > the stack pressure in the connections are zero! > > > > I'm also curious! how esp-r consider the stack effects and the gravity? > The > > components dP are set manually and there is no "g" in the equations? > Where > > I can find the PSTACK equations that is used to calculate DP: > > DP=PRES(IDPS)-PRES(IDNE)+PSTACK(ICNN). > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Mostapha Sadeghipour > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > > achim.geissler at intergga.ch > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Achim.geissler [achim.geissler at intergga.ch] Sent: 10 June 2010 07:23 To: MostaphaSadeghipour Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Zero Stack Pressure Hi Mostapha in additio! n to the below, I think your approach with only one zone having external openings may be a general problem. The flow simulation can't really solve this, I think, because what you have is a possible flow path chain >in< the atrium (which is basically set up very good, I would think) which is singularily connected to the outside. Remember that one zone node can have only one temperature / pressure at one time step. Also, I would expect such a large atrium to have >some< leakage in the lower floor (entrance door etc.). Possible measures: a) Split the topmost zone into two (or three) that each have a connect to an exterior node b) also split the lowermost zone into two c) as written below, add some leakage to the lowermost zone Do the thermal results seem plausible? Do you have a "nice temperature stack" in the stacked zones? Best Achim --------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: "Achim Geissler" An: "Mostapha Sadeghipour" Cc: "Aizaz Samuel" , esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: [esp-r] Re: Zero Stack Pressure Datum: 09/06/10 23:13 Hi Mostapha looking at your .a! fn, I think the problem is that all your connections to external nodes are in one zone (01). To get an afn up and running, a basic requirement is that for every zone you can go from an external node to a zone ... to >the< zone ... to a zone ... and so on and then to a (different) external node again. I think this does not hold for your afn. Add a connection type "tiny", e.g. a crack a factor 10 or 100 smaller than your _crk types and connect the lowermost zone(s) to an additional external node. Then something should happen and there should be pressure differences. Best Achim On Jun 9, 2010, at 2:47 PM, Mostapha Sadeghipour wrote: Hello Aizaz, I think the problem is not the node heights in my case, however I'm not sure. The .afn file is attached. Regard! s, Mostapha Sadeghipour On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Aizaz Samuel > wrote: Look up how node heights are defined in exemplars>network ventilation>alternative facade vent..... Theory can be found in Jan Hensen's thesis (section 4.3.2) available at http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/publications.htm -- Dr Aizaz A Samuel Department of Mechanical Engineering University of Strathclyde M324 James Weir Building 75 Montrose Street Glasgow, UK G1 1XJ T:+44 141 548 5765 F:+44 141 552 5105 On Wednesday 09 June 2010 11:28, Mostapha Sadeghipour wro! te: > Dear esp-r users, > > I'm modeling an atrium with a closed glass roof. The atrium has nearly 16m > height and it only connects to the outside through 3 cracks on the roof. I > divided the atrium into 5 vertical zones, and adjacent vertical bypass > zones. They are connected to each other through fictitious faces. > > Common orifice components connect zone nodes to each other vertically, and > door component connects zone nodes to bypass nodes horizontally. The > attached image shows the Air Flow Network in my model more clearly. > > I supposed that esp-r includes the stack effect whenever delta height > between the nodes and the component is not zero. So I expected to have a > stack pressure in the vertical connections. But when I check the results > the stack pressure in the connections are zero! > > I'm also curious! how esp-r consider the stack effects and the gravity? The > components dP are set manually and there is no "g" in the equations? Where > I can find the PSTACK equations that is used to calculate DP: > DP=PRES(IDPS)-PRES(IDNE)+PSTACK(ICNN). > > Thanks in advance. > > Mostapha Sadeghipour _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch ________________________________ _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From rodrigo.jpg at gmail.com Fri Jun 11 15:14:16 2010 From: rodrigo.jpg at gmail.com (Rodrigo Perez) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:14:16 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] refrigerated warehouse Esp-r Message-ID: To whom it may concern : I need to know how to simulate a refrigerated freezer warehouse with Esp-r. This one needs to remain in a temperature of -10?C in order to conserve food. Moreover, the software should integrate the electrical consumption of refrigerated systems. Does any reference in ESRU o paper exist with this kind of information? I thank you in advance for your time and consideration, Best regards, Rodrigo P?rez -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100611/17919db0/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Fri Jun 11 21:31:11 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 22:31:11 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: refrigerated warehouse Esp-r In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Rodrigo ESP-r can, of course, simulate a freezer warehouse. Also, some plant components allow for the tracking of electrical power consumption. However, as there are surely very many ways to generate cooling power, maybe having the necessary cooling load - optimizing this by improving design - and then checking cooling apparatus manufacturers technical data can solve your problem? If the loads are large, it may be interesting to look into absorption cycles (e.g. NH3-H20 chillers), as these can even be powered by photovoltaics. Best Achim On Jun 11, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Rodrigo Perez wrote: > To whom it may concern : > > I need to know how to simulate a refrigerated freezer warehouse with > Esp-r. This one needs to remain in a temperature of -10?C in order > to conserve food. Moreover, the software should integrate the > electrical consumption of refrigerated systems. > > Does any reference in ESRU o paper exist with this kind of > information? > > I thank you in advance for your time and consideration, > > Best regards, > > Rodrigo P?rez > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Can someone help me? > > Best regards, > > NIUBEN > SEAL113 at 163.COM > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -- Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Hannah Neumann Thermal Systems and Buildings Fraunhofer Institut f??r Solare Energiesysteme ISE Heidenhofstra?e 2, 79110 Freiburg, Germany Phone: +49 (0) 7 61/ 45 88 - 54 31 Fax: +49 (0) 7 61/ 45 88 - 91 32 hannah.neumann at ise.fraunhofer.de www.ise.fraunhofer.de From amjulio at gmail.com Mon Jun 21 23:51:16 2010 From: amjulio at gmail.com (Julio) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 19:51:16 -0300 Subject: [esp-r] Re: esp-r Digest, Vol 47, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2010/6/20 > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of esp-r digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. phase change materirial (??) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: ?? > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 01:00:22 +0800 (CST) > Subject: [esp-r] phase change materirial > Dear all users, > > I'm starting to model a project, which will include in its constructions, > phase change materials. > My question is related with the modelling of PCMs in esp-r. Does anyone > have notes or tips to give me? I tried to model it but I haven't any good > resultsL. Can someone help me? > > Best regards, > > NIUBEN > SEAL113 at 163.COM > > > > _______________________________________________ > I think this http://www.4shared.com/document/qqyBV8nk/Review_of_mathematical_modelin.html may help -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100621/fe0c781f/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Review of mathematical modeling on latent heat thermal energy storage systems using PCM.rar Type: application/octet-stream Size: 366997 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100621/fe0c781f/attachment-0001.obj From koji_takemasa at me.com Tue Jun 22 12:33:41 2010 From: koji_takemasa at me.com (=?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCSXBALxsoQiAbJEI5JzwjGyhC?=) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:33:41 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] Method of making climatic data that uses clm command Message-ID: <7344C59D-0D79-491A-AFFD-61D6D93A66C8@me.com> Hello. I installed the binary of ESP-r on Ubuntu 9.04. This binary file was downloaded from Web of ESP-r. And, I confirmed the thing that ESP-r operates. I tried so that the climatic data of the EPW form of Tokyo was downloaded and was going to be used by me. However, I used the clm command and was not able to make the binary file according to ESP-r_cookbook_nov2008. The following errors were displayed. It is a question. Please teach the method of making the binary file from EPW and ASCII file by using the clm command. From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Jun 22 14:18:01 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:18:01 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Method of making climatic data that uses clm command In-Reply-To: <7344C59D-0D79-491A-AFFD-61D6D93A66C8@me.com> References: <7344C59D-0D79-491A-AFFD-61D6D93A66C8@me.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413E109542170@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Some recent climate files on the EnergyPlus climate web site use a slightly different file format then can be scanned by older versions of the clm module. The code in clm has been updated and with the next new release this facility will be restored. In the interium if someone has an EPW file that is urgent to convert into an ESP-r file they could send me the EPW file and I can run the conversion. Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ?? ?? [koji_takemasa at me.com] Sent: 22 June 2010 12:33 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Method of making climatic data that uses clm command Hello. I installed the binary of ESP-r on Ubuntu 9.04. This binary file was downloaded from Web of ESP-r. And, I confirmed the thing that ESP-r operates. I tried so that the climatic data of the EPW form of Tokyo was downloaded and was going to be used by me. However, I used the clm command and was not able to make the binary file according to ESP-r_cookbook_nov2008. The following errors were displayed. It is a question. Please teach the method of making the binary file from EPW and ASCII file by using the clm command. _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From bigellielena at libero.it Tue Jun 22 18:11:55 2010 From: bigellielena at libero.it (bigellielena at libero.it) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 19:11:55 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [esp-r] Air Flow Network Message-ID: <5505705.1210961277226715593.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Dear, i'm a beginner user of ESP-r release 11.5. I'm dealing with Air Flow Network, so I opened an exemplar file of the software but after running the simulation example, I can not visualize the ventilation graph because the result analysis window closes. Can you tell me what's wrong? Thank you. Kind regards Elena Bigelli From sadeghipour at gmail.com Wed Jun 23 07:55:10 2010 From: sadeghipour at gmail.com (Mostapha Sadeghipour) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 11:25:10 +0430 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Air Flow Network In-Reply-To: <5505705.1210961277226715593.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> References: <5505705.1210961277226715593.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Message-ID: Elena, I had the same problem. But when I installed the Esp-r 11.8 the problem has been solved. Best, Mostapha Sadeghipour On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 9:41 PM, bigellielena at libero.it < bigellielena at libero.it> wrote: > Dear, > i'm a beginner user of ESP-r release 11.5. I'm dealing with Air Flow > Network, > so I opened an exemplar file of the software > but after running the simulation example, I can not visualize the > ventilation > graph because the result analysis window closes. Can you tell me what's > wrong? > > Thank you. > Kind regards > > Elena Bigelli > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100623/590a5bb0/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Jun 23 08:58:18 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 08:58:18 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Air Flow Network In-Reply-To: <5505705.1210961277226715593.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> References: <5505705.1210961277226715593.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413E10954217B@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Release 11.5 is approaching old age. There will be a new version 11.9 out shortly ;-) ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of bigellielena at libero.it [bigellielena at libero.it] Sent: 22 June 2010 18:11 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Air Flow Network Dear, i'm a beginner user of ESP-r release 11.5. I'm dealing with Air Flow Network, so I opened an exemplar file of the software but after running the simulation example, I can not visualize the ventilation graph because the result analysis window closes. Can you tell me what's wrong? Thank you. Kind regards Elena Bigelli _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From koji_takemasa at me.com Wed Jun 23 12:46:00 2010 From: koji_takemasa at me.com (=?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCSXBALxsoQiAbJEI5JzwjGyhC?=) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 20:46:00 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Method of making climatic data that uses clm command Message-ID: Hello. I want to convert the file of the following format into the binary file with clm. Is it possible? What is the option of clm when converting it? *CLIMATE # ascii climate file from JAP_Tokyo.dat binary db # col 1: Diffuse solar on the horizontal (W/m**2) # col 2: External dry bulb temperature (Tenths DEG.D) # col 3: Direct normal solar intensity (W/m**2) # col 4: Prevailling wind speed (Tenths m/s) # col 5: Wind direction (clockwise deg from north) # col 6: Relative humidity (Percent) Tokyo # site name 2006 35.0 4.70 0 #year latitude long diff rad flag 1 365 #period (julian days) *day 1 month 1 0 50 0 16 360 61 0 46 0 20 360 64 0 44 0 25 337 70 0 37 0 24 360 73 0 35 0 17 337 76 0 32 0 11 337 78 11 30 0 16 337 79 75 25 58 16 337 79 etc Regards, Koji Takemasa Postscript The number of users of ESP-r has increased little by little also in Japan. I think that I am really glad. ----- Name : Koji Takemasa E-mail : koji_takemasa at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100623/d41782d0/attachment.html From sadeghipour at gmail.com Wed Jun 23 14:54:44 2010 From: sadeghipour at gmail.com (Mostapha Sadeghipour) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 18:24:44 +0430 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Zero Stack Pressure In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413E107E7699C@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <4cccd8c65d537a3619d97604187bc4eb@212.203.77.246> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413E107E7699C@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Achim, By chance, I found that the stack pressure was NOT zero ever. The problem is only in the result visualisation in the esp-r result analysis... I have tested your suggestions one by one. Confusingly, the results for the stack pressure was always zero! Finally, I have tried the exemplar model (alternative facade ...) and it was the same! I get curious to check some other variables to see how it is possible. Surprisingly when I added the volume flow rates to the selections, the stack pressures are changed to some new values! :-0 (See the attachments). Un/Fortunately, in my models' results it was the same story. ;-) By the way it seems that the AFN simulation can solve such networks. Hensen's thesis suggests an alternative stack pressure calculation for "an extensive network containing several internal nodes with "long" flow paths" on page 4-11 (page 58 of 197). I have tested this one as well but differences between the measurements and the simulation results still remain. All the best, Mostapha On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 2:14 AM, Jon Hand wrote: > > If someone has a good atrium model that they have confidence in and which > is well-documented then we could add it as an exemplar model for use > in training workshops and/or self-study. > > Regards, Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Achim.geissler [achim.geissler at intergga.ch] > Sent: 10 June 2010 07:23 > To: MostaphaSadeghipour > Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Zero Stack Pressure > > Hi Mostapha > > in additio! n to the below, I think your approach with only one zone having > external openings may be a general problem. The flow simulation can't really > solve this, I think, because what you have is a possible flow path chain > >in< the atrium (which is basically set up very good, I would think) which > is singularily connected to the outside. Remember that one zone node can > have only one temperature / pressure at one time step. > > Also, I would expect such a large atrium to have >some< leakage in the > lower floor (entrance door etc.). > > Possible measures: > a) Split the topmost zone into two (or three) that each have a connect to > an exterior node > b) also split the lowermost zone into two > c) as written below, add some leakage to the lowermost zone > > Do the thermal results seem plausible? Do you have a "nice temperature > stack" in the stacked zones? > > Best > Achim > > > --------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Von: "Achim Geissler" > An: "Mostapha Sadeghipour" > Cc: "Aizaz Samuel" , esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Betreff: [esp-r] Re: Zero Stack Pressure > Datum: 09/06/10 23:13 > > Hi Mostapha > > looking at your .a! fn, I think the problem is that all your connections to > external nodes are in one zone (01). > > To get an afn up and running, a basic requirement is that for every zone > you can go from an external node to a zone ... to >the< zone ... to a zone > ... and so on and then to a (different) external node again. I think this > does not hold for your afn. Add a connection type "tiny", e.g. a crack a > factor 10 or 100 smaller than your _crk types and connect the lowermost > zone(s) to an additional external node. > > Then something should happen and there should be pressure differences. > > Best > Achim > > > > > On Jun 9, 2010, at 2:47 PM, Mostapha Sadeghipour wrote: > > Hello Aizaz, > > I think the problem is not the node heights in my case, however I'm not > sure. The .afn file is attached. > > Regard! s, > > Mostapha Sadeghipour > > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Aizaz Samuel > wrote: > Look up how node heights are defined in exemplars>network > ventilation>alternative facade vent..... > > Theory can be found in Jan Hensen's thesis (section 4.3.2) available at > http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/publications.htm > -- > Dr Aizaz A Samuel > Department of Mechanical Engineering > University of Strathclyde > M324 James Weir Building > 75 Montrose Street > Glasgow, UK > G1 1XJ > > T:+44 141 548 5765 > F:+44 141 552 5105 > > On Wednesday 09 June 2010 11:28, Mostapha Sadeghipour wro! te: > > Dear esp-r users, > > > > I'm modeling an atrium with a closed glass roof. The atrium has nearly > 16m > > height and it only connects to the outside through 3 cracks on the roof. > I > > divided the atrium into 5 vertical zones, and adjacent vertical bypass > > zones. They are connected to each other through fictitious faces. > > > > Common orifice components connect zone nodes to each other vertically, > and > > door component connects zone nodes to bypass nodes horizontally. The > > attached image shows the Air Flow Network in my model more clearly. > > > > I supposed that esp-r includes the stack effect whenever delta height > > between the nodes and the component is not zero. So I expected to have a > > stack pressure in the vertical connections. But when I check the results > > the stack pressure in the connections are zero! > > > > I'm also curious! how esp-r consider the stack effects and the gravity? > The > > components dP are set manually and there is no "g" in the equations? > Where > > I can find the PSTACK equations that is used to calculate DP: > > DP=PRES(IDPS)-PRES(IDNE)+PSTACK(ICNN). > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Mostapha Sadeghipour > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > achim.geissler at intergga.ch > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am new to the ESP-r world and would like a recommendation of how to accurately / efficiently model the energy consumption of an 18 floor apartment building. Attached are two floor plans of the 1st and 2nd floors (please note that there are significant inconsistencies between the two plans ie. the location of elevators, and stairs etc..). The 1st floor has 47 rooms which I have combined into 10 different zones. The 2nd floor has 39 rooms that I have combined into 11 zones (4 apartments per floor + 1 stairwell + 2 elevator shafts + 4 loggias / mezzanines). The floors numbered 3-18 have the same geometry as the 2nd floor. Specific questions: 1) I have decided to enter the geometrical data directly into ESP-r model. I think that this is easier then using a 3rd party program (dwg / dxf files) to create the floor plans and then later import the files into ESP-r. Was this the right choice? 2) I have created the 5 floors of geometry and have noticed that I will quickly run out of zones. Can I simplify my model to 2 or 3 floors and then extrapolate the results for an 18 storey building? 3) I have combined all the rooms in the apartments into one large zone and one small zone; hence I am assuming very well-mixed conditions / temperature distributions within a large air volume. Is this combination of rooms possible or do I need to keep the room / apartment complexity in order to accurately model the network flow / dynamic infiltrations? 4) A 5 floor building with 10/11 zones per floor leads to a very visually complicated model in ESP-r. It is very difficult to modify zones / grometry etc.. due to the visual complexity. Is there a way to hide zones? I am sure more questions will arise as I dive further into modelling this building. Cordially, Ian L'?cole des Mines de Nantes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For questions that do not require a high level of geometric resolution and for large building with lots of similar spaces an experienced user would do the ground floor, a couple of middle floors and the top floor and use the scaling functions within ESP-r to arrive at the performance of the whole building. If you do one or two zones per apartment you may be undercounting the impact of internal partitions (lots of them in typical apartments) so be sure to add some internal mass surfaces in the zones (there is a special facility to add horizontal or vertical mass into a room). If the client is interested in finding out the typical performance of different types of apartments in the building then some practitioners would select several apartments and represent them explicitly (3-4 zones per apartment) and deliver specific information to the client and then look at the heating and cooling patterns and scale them up to the full area of the building. There are ways to limit the display to a few selected zones (look for the zones-to-include option in the wire-frame controls). And putting in the geometry within ESP-r can be efficient - fully attributed zones can easily be copied and transformed to new locations. The ESP-r Cookbook talks about this. But if you copy to soon you will have a lot of attribution to complete in the copied zones. If you are working on Linux or OSX or Cygwin with the X11 interface there is a click-on-bitmap facility that allows experienced users to input dozens of zones very quickly (it takes practice and good planning skills to do this well). Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ian McCall [ijmccall at yahoo.com] Sent: 23 June 2010 17:23 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] 18 Floor Apartment Building Good-day! I am new to the ESP-r world and would like a recommendation of how to accurately / efficiently model the energy consumption of an 18 floor apartment building. Attached are two floor plans of the 1st and 2nd floors (please note that there are significant inconsistencies between the two plans ie. the location of elevators, and stairs etc..). The 1st floor has 47 rooms which I have combined into 10 different zones. The 2nd floor has 39 rooms that I have combined into 11 zones (4 apartments per floor + 1 stairwell + 2 elevator shafts + 4 loggias / mezzanines). The floors numbered 3-18 have the same geometry as the 2nd floor. Specific questions: 1) I have decided to enter the geometrical data directly into ESP-r model. I think that this is easier then using a 3rd party program (dwg / dxf files) to create the floor plans and then later import the files into ESP-r. Was this the right choice? 2) I have created the 5 floors of geometry and have noticed that I will quickly run out of zones. Can I simplify my model to 2 or 3 floors and then extrapolate the results for an 18 storey building? 3) I have combined all the rooms in the apartments into one large zone and one small zone; hence I am assuming very well-mixed conditions / temperature distributions within a large air volume. Is this combination of rooms possible or do I need to keep the room / apartment complexity in order to accurately model the network flow / dynamic infiltrations? 4) A 5 floor building with 10/11 zones per floor leads to a very visually complicated model in ESP-r. It is very difficult to modify zones / grometry etc.. due to the visual complexity. Is there a way to hide zones? I am sure more questions will arise as I dive further into modelling this building. Cordially, Ian L'?cole des Mines de Nantes From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Thu Jun 24 19:43:28 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 20:43:28 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Zero Stack Pressure In-Reply-To: References: <4cccd8c65d537a3619d97604187bc4eb@212.203.77.246> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413E107E7699C@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Mostapha great that your model works, after all. Stupid me: If my guess at the non-working flow model would have been correct, you would have been flooded with warnings "afn not converged after 100 iterations". Oh, well. And I have noticed that res is a bit "finicky" with flow results sometimes, myself. Have you tried .xml output? Some afn data is available via that channel. The caveat is that it may slow the simulation down quite a bit and if you discover you need additional data, you have to re-run the simulation. You have measurement results for the Atrium? What scope, if I may ask (and if you can / want to say)? That sounds very interesting. Fine-tuning a model to meet measurements is generally a very difficult task, as there are dozens of places where you can change things. Some possibilities that come to mind (sorry, again a long list - just thinking aloud) Flow: - cp values. Did you play around with these / do you have measurements or a CFD simulation? - leakage distribution? Do you have this? As written before, I would assume that any structure has some leakage at several places. Do you know the overall air-tightness when the top openings are closed? I think you can simulate an airtightness measurement with ESP-r, but haven't tried myself, yet - wind speed and direction on site? Thermal model: - the meteo data (solar radiation, temperature); I assume you have an own weather data file - convective heat transfer coefficients; maybe some alternative models are better suited for an atrium - ESP-r has quite a few models available - long wave radiation exchange: The fictitious surfaces used for splitting up the atrium into zones for the air flow model do influence long wave radiation exchange unfavorably. However, this may not be a big issue in your atrium, depending on temperature differences between various surfaces (top - bottom?) - and can't be changed, anyway, as far as I know. - solar distribution in "one-and-more-down" zones of the atrium. Did you do detailed solar distribution calcs? (Jon, maybe you can add to the list?) Best Achim On Jun 23, 2010, at 3:54 PM, Mostapha Sadeghipour wrote: > Hi Achim, > > By chance, I found that the stack pressure was NOT zero ever. The > problem is only in the result visualisation in the esp-r result > analysis... > > I have tested your suggestions one by one. Confusingly, the results > for the stack pressure was always zero! Finally, I have tried the > exemplar model (alternative facade ...) and it was the same! I get > curious to check some other variables to see how it is possible. > Surprisingly when I added the volume flow rates to the selections, > the stack pressures are changed to some new values! :-0 (See the > attachments). Un/Fortunately, in my models' results it was the same > story. ;-) > > By the way it seems that the AFN simulation can solve such networks. > Hensen's thesis suggests an alternative stack pressure calculation > for "an extensive network containing several internal nodes with > "long" flow paths" on page 4-11 (page 58 of 197). I have tested this > one as well but differences between the measurements and the > simulation results still remain. > > All the best, > > Mostapha > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 2:14 AM, Jon Hand > wrote: > > If someone has a good atrium model that they have confidence in and > which > is well-documented then we could add it as an exemplar model for use > in training workshops and/or self-study. > > Regards, Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > ] On Behalf Of Achim.geissler [achim.geissler at intergga.ch] > Sent: 10 June 2010 07:23 > To: MostaphaSadeghipour > Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Zero Stack Pressure > > Hi Mostapha > > in additio! n to the below, I think your approach with only one zone > having external openings may be a general problem. The flow > simulation can't really solve this, I think, because what you have > is a possible flow path chain >in< the atrium (which is basically > set up very good, I would think) which is singularily connected to > the outside. Remember that one zone node can have only one > temperature / pressure at one time step. > > Also, I would expect such a large atrium to have >some< leakage in > the lower floor (entrance door etc.). > > Possible measures: > a) Split the topmost zone into two (or three) that each have a > connect to an exterior node > b) also split the lowermost zone into two > c) as written below, add some leakage to the lowermost zone > > Do the thermal results seem plausible? Do you have a "nice > temperature stack" in the stacked zones? > > Best > Achim > > > --------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Von: "Achim Geissler" > An: "Mostapha Sadeghipour" > Cc: "Aizaz Samuel" , esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Betreff: [esp-r] Re: Zero Stack Pressure > Datum: 09/06/10 23:13 > > Hi Mostapha > > looking at your .a! fn, I think the problem is that all your > connections to external nodes are in one zone (01). > > To get an afn up and running, a basic requirement is that for every > zone you can go from an external node to a zone ... to >the< > zone ... to a zone ... and so on and then to a (different) external > node again. I think this does not hold for your afn. Add a > connection type "tiny", e.g. a crack a factor 10 or 100 smaller than > your _crk types and connect the lowermost zone(s) to an additional > external node. > > Then something should happen and there should be pressure differences. > > Best > Achim > > > > > On Jun 9, 2010, at 2:47 PM, Mostapha Sadeghipour wrote: > > Hello Aizaz, > > I think the problem is not the node heights in my case, however I'm > not sure. The .afn file is attached. > > Regard! s, > > Mostapha Sadeghipour > > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Aizaz Samuel > wrote: > Look up how node heights are defined in exemplars>network > ventilation>alternative facade vent..... > > Theory can be found in Jan Hensen's thesis (section 4.3.2) available > at > http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/publications.htm > -- > Dr Aizaz A Samuel > Department of Mechanical Engineering > University of Strathclyde > M324 James Weir Building > 75 Montrose Street > Glasgow, UK > G1 1XJ > > T:+44 141 548 5765 > F:+44 141 552 5105 > > On Wednesday 09 June 2010 11:28, Mostapha Sadeghipour wro! te: > > Dear esp-r users, > > > > I'm modeling an atrium with a closed glass roof. The atrium has > nearly 16m > > height and it only connects to the outside through 3 cracks on the > roof. I > > divided the atrium into 5 vertical zones, and adjacent vertical > bypass > > zones. They are connected to each other through fictitious faces. > > > > Common orifice components connect zone nodes to each other > vertically, and > > door component connects zone nodes to bypass nodes horizontally. The > > attached image shows the Air Flow Network in my model more clearly. > > > > I supposed that esp-r includes the stack effect whenever delta > height > > between the nodes and the component is not zero. So I expected to > have a > > stack pressure in the vertical connections. But when I check the > results > > the stack pressure in the connections are zero! > > > > I'm also curious! how esp-r consider the stack effects and the > gravity? The > > components dP are set manually and there is no "g" in the > equations? Where > > I can find the PSTACK equations that is used to calculate DP: > > DP=PRES(IDPS)-PRES(IDNE)+PSTACK(ICNN). > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Mostapha Sadeghipour > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > achim.geissler at intergga.ch > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > < > 3_windows_legacy_StkP > -01 > .gif > > > < > 3_windows_legacy_StkP > -02.gif>_______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100624/5387df68/attachment.html From ijmccall at yahoo.com Thu Jun 24 18:45:29 2010 From: ijmccall at yahoo.com (Ian McCall) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 10:45:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [esp-r] Wireframe Control causes ESP-r "Hang-up" on Windows XP Message-ID: <266263.94197.qm@web31804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello Dear ESP-r Community, I am running the ESP-r version 11.8 on system Windows XP (2002) with Service Pack 3. Computer: Pentium 4 2.60 GHz with 512 Mo of RAM I would like to Hide some Zones with the Wireframe Control but I am now unable to use this drop down menu. The View - "Wire Frame Control" drop-down menu initially worked, but now when I click on the option the ESP-r software "hangs-up" and does not do anything. When ESP-r "hangs-up" under in the following situation and the only way "out" is to terminate ESP-r from running: This "bug" seems only to appear after working with a large model (~50 zone apartment building) for a significant amount of time. The other functions in the menu function without a problem ... (View Rotate-Left, Rotate-Right, Rotate-UP and Rotate-Down). There is a warning in the Dialogue Box which states: "SURADJ WARNING". Any suggestions or recommendations of how to fix the problem? Cordially, Ian L'?cole des Mines de Nantes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100624/e35cd4cd/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Jun 25 08:56:24 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 08:56:24 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Wireframe Control causes ESP-r "Hang-up" on Windows XP In-Reply-To: <266263.94197.qm@web31804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <266263.94197.qm@web31804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413E109542197@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> There have been a number of patches to the Native Windows version since 11.8 was released. I can upload an installer for a recent build which may be more stable for larger models (if you are in a hurry) and shortly there will be a new release 11.9. We have noticed that ESP-r is less stable on 64 bit operating systems. I note the limited memory on your machine - would you have a chance to try this model on a computer with more RAM? ESP-r can also be run within the Cygwin emulation environment on Windows XP machines and you might consider that as an option and under Cygwin you also have access to the alternative X11 ESP-r interface. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ian McCall [ijmccall at yahoo.com] Sent: 24 June 2010 18:45 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Wireframe Control causes ESP-r "Hang-up" on Windows XP Hello Dear ESP-r Community, I am running the ESP-r version 11.8 on system Windows XP (2002) with Service Pack 3. Computer: Pentium 4 2.60 GHz with 512 Mo of RAM I would like to Hide some Zones with the Wireframe Control but I am now unable to use this drop down menu. The View - "Wire Frame Control" drop-down menu initially worked, but now when I click on the option the ESP-r software "hangs-up" and does not do anything. When ESP-r "hangs-up" under in the following situation and the only way "out" is to terminate ESP-r from running: This "bug" seems only to appear after working with a large model (~50 zone apartment building) for a significant amount of time. The other functions in the menu function without a problem ... (View Rotate-Left, Rotate-Right, Rotate-UP and Rotate-Down). There is a warning in the Dialogue Box which states: "SURADJ WARNING". Any suggestions or recommendations of how to fix the problem? Cordially, Ian L'?cole des Mines de Nantes From ibeausol at mae.carleton.ca Fri Jun 25 17:32:33 2010 From: ibeausol at mae.carleton.ca (Ian Beausoleil-Morrison) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 12:32:33 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] release of ESP-r version 11.9 Message-ID: <009601cb1484$03b3e170$0b1ba450$@carleton.ca> ESP-r users and developers, Version 11.9 of the ESP-r system is now available. A summary of the changes and new features included in this release is given at the bottom of this e-mail. The source code may be accessed via the ESP-r Central Subversion repository. To do this, you must first install a Subversion client on your system. Free clients are available at http://subversion.tigris.org/getting.html. Once you have installed the Subversion client you can download the source code for version 11.9 of ESP-r anonymously using the following command: svn checkout https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/trunk If you already downloaded the source code of a previous version with the above command, then you do not have to do a full download of version 11.9. Rather, you can update the source code by executing the following command from your "trunk" directory: svn update (ESP-r developers who wish to make source code contributions to ESP-r should contact Bart Lomanowski at Bartosz.Lomanowski at nrcan.gc.ca who can configure an account for you on ESP-r Central. Further information on ESP-r Central for developers is available at http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/Programs/ESP-r_central.htm.) ESP-r source code is available exclusively through ESP-r Central. However, you can obtain pre-compiled versions for specific operating environments on ESRU's web site. These pre-compiled versions will generally be made available within a few days of a source code release and will be announced to this e-mail list. Regards, Ian Beausoleil-Morrison ESP-r Archivist on behalf of the ESP-r development team Carleton University Ottawa, Canada Release Notes 11.9 (June 2010) ================ Simulator --------- - A 1-node plant component model of an air-source heat pump has been added. The model incorporates optional outside air temperature compensation for the flow temperature set point and optional defrost calculations. The model is described in: Kelly N J, Cockroft J, Gauri S, "Performance Analysis of Air Source Heat Pumps Using Detailed Simulations and Comparison to Field Trial Data", Paper submitted to The Biennial Conference of IBPSA-Canada, eSim2010, Winnipeg, Canada, May 19-20. Project Manager --------------- - Further enhancements have been made to the GTK version. - Integrated Performance Views can now be generated for models up to 72 zones. - Constructions can now use to up 12 layers. - The construction materials database has been cleaned up and materials specified in the IBO PassivHaus book have been added. - The EPW climate import facility has been updated to support files that match the specific format of climate files purchased from CIBSE as well as newer additions to the US DOE climate sets. - There was a bug in drawing zones which had been defined via the click-on-bitmap facility: this has been fixed. - Occupant casual gains defined on a floor-area basis were subject to rounding errors in reporting graphs and tables: this has been addressed. - The drawing of the site origin has been improved for small and large models. - Occupancy pattern files and documentation for Korean standard occupancy, lighting, and equipment patterns for 30 room types have been added. (Contributed by DASS Korea.) Results Analyzer ---------------- - A new facility has been added that allows measured data (e.g. room dry bulb temperatures) to be associated with a model as an item in a temporal file. This allows users to display predicted and measured data simultaneously. - By convention, a demand imposed on a battery is assigned a positive value if the battery is discharging and a negative value if the battery is charging. The current and power draws reported by the battery model in the power flow domain now follow this convention. Validation/Compliance Checking ------------------------------ - The logic, databases, and documentation associated with UK code compliance have been updated based on feedback from the accrediting board. General ------- - The export of ESP-r models to the TSBI3 tool is no longer supported. (This tool no longer exists.) - Further support has been added for the alternate 'META file' model description format. - Database references have been made to improve model portability between computers. - The support of graphics functions on some 64-bit computing environments has been improved. Additional Changes ------------------ - Many additional changes have been made that are transparent to the user. Information on these, as well as further details on all the above-mentioned changes, can be found in ESP-r Central's change log. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100625/64a2d59a/attachment.html From koji_takemasa at me.com Thu Jun 24 23:43:28 2010 From: koji_takemasa at me.com (=?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCSXBALxsoQiAbJEI5JzwjGyhC?=) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 07:43:28 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] Re: can you send me the climate file Message-ID: Hello. I worry about whether mail was able to be sent and E-mail again. Thanks. I want to use the file appended to this mail with ESP-r. My best regards. Koji Takemasa (koji_takemasa at me.com) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100625/768f0efa/attachment-0002.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Tokyo.dat.zip Type: application/zip Size: 53121 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100625/768f0efa/attachment-0001.zip -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100625/768f0efa/attachment-0003.html From ijmccall at yahoo.com Fri Jun 25 10:35:54 2010 From: ijmccall at yahoo.com (Ian McCall) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 02:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [esp-r] Res: Wireframe Control causes ESP-r "Hang-up" on Windows XP In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413E109542197@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <266263.94197.qm@web31804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413E109542197@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12527.87546.qm@web31803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello / Bonjour ESP-r support, I have temporarily reduced the number of zones from ~50 to 26. The View - Wireframe Control function now works. My time-line is the following: I hope to have this apartment building modelled ASAP:) and be "spitting-out" results by next week. I don't want to unnecessarily complicate your life but having you upload an installer(s) etc.. for a recent build. When do you expect the new 11.9 to be released? - - - - separate topic - - - - - "Hang-up" on Windows XP cont'd ... I have also been experiencing another "hang-up" when I begin to edit the Multicon.db3 database. At the d?but , I successfully used the Add / Delete / Copy / Invert options in the construction database command. Once I begin to create / copy multiple new constructions in the Multicon.db3 database that's when I begin to run into my "hang-up" problem. The "hang-up" problem arises when I leave the construction database option and go to run "Integrated Simulation". If I paste an original Multicon.db3 database into the Esru\esp-r\databases folder then I am able to "Integrated Simulation" for the model. The downfall is I loose all the constructions that I have personally constructed. Any ideas? Any fixes? Cordially, Ian L'?cole des Mines de Nantes ________________________________ De: Jon Hand Para: Ian McCall ; "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 25 de Junho de 2010 9:56:24 Assunto: RE: [esp-r] Wireframe Control causes ESP-r "Hang-up" on Windows XP There have been a number of patches to the Native Windows version since 11.8 was released. I can upload an installer for a recent build which may be more stable for larger models (if you are in a hurry) and shortly there will be a new release 11.9. We have noticed that ESP-r is less stable on 64 bit operating systems. I note the limited memory on your machine - would you have a chance to try this model on a computer with more RAM? ESP-r can also be run within the Cygwin emulation environment on Windows XP machines and you might consider that as an option and under Cygwin you also have access to the alternative X11 ESP-r interface. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ian McCall [ijmccall at yahoo.com] Sent: 24 June 2010 18:45 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Wireframe Control causes ESP-r "Hang-up" on Windows XP Hello Dear ESP-r Community, I am running the ESP-r version 11.8 on system Windows XP (2002) with Service Pack 3. Computer: Pentium 4 2.60 GHz with 512 Mo of RAM I would like to Hide some Zones with the Wireframe Control but I am now unable to use this drop down menu. The View - "Wire Frame Control" drop-down menu initially worked, but now when I click on the option the ESP-r software "hangs-up" and does not do anything. When ESP-r "hangs-up" under in the following situation and the only way "out" is to terminate ESP-r from running: This "bug" seems only to appear after working with a large model (~50 zone apartment building) for a significant amount of time. The other functions in the menu function without a problem ... (View Rotate-Left, Rotate-Right, Rotate-UP and Rotate-Down). There is a warning in the Dialogue Box which states: "SURADJ WARNING". Any suggestions or recommendations of how to fix the problem? Cordially, Ian L'?cole des Mines de Nantes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I want to use the file appended to this mail with ESP-r. > > My best regards. > > Koji Takemasa (koji_takemasa at me.com) > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100626/c2eee842/attachment-0002.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Tokyo.gz Type: application/x-gzip Size: 52531 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100626/c2eee842/attachment-0001.bin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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DENSIT: temperature [ -579.20801 ] outside valid range: T > -273.15 DENSIT: air density evaluated for T = -273.00000 DENSIT: temperature [ -485.20975 ] outside valid range: T > -273.15 DENSIT: air density evaluated for T = -273.00000 DENSIT: temperature [ -354.78690 ] outside valid range: T > -273.15 DENSIT: air density evaluated for T = -273.00000 DENSIT: temperature [ -459.57538 ] outside valid range: T > -273.15 DENSIT: air density evaluated for T = -273.00000 DENSIT: temperature [ -429.85153 ] outside valid range: T > -273.15 DENSIT: air density evaluated for T = -273.00000 DENSIT: temperature [ -414.67664 ] outside valid range: T > -273.15 DENSIT: air density evaluated for T = -273.00000 DENSIT: temperature [ -415.52640 ] outside valid range: T > -273.15 DENSIT: air density evaluated for T = -273.00000 DENSIT: temperature [ -444.67178 ] outside valid range: T > -273.15 DENSIT: air density evaluated for T = -273.00000 DENSIT: temperature [ -454.70657 ] outside valid range: T > -273.15 DENSIT: air density evaluated for T = -273.00000 DENSIT: temperature [ -378.43298 ] outside valid range: T > -273.15 DENSIT: air density evaluated for T = -273.00000 DENSIT: temperature [ -513.35785 ] outside valid range: T > -273.15 DENSIT: air density evaluated for T = -273.00000 ------ etc Please teach what the cause. 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Correct. > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On > Behalf Of Ian Beausoleil-Morrison [ibeausol at mae.carleton.ca] > Sent: 25 June 2010 17:32 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] release of ESP-r version 11.9 > > ESP-r users and developers, > > > > Version 11.9 of the ESP-r system is now available. A summary of the changes > and new features included in this release is given at the bottom of this e- > mail. > > > > The source code may be accessed via the ESP-r Central Subversion repository. > To do this, you must first install a Subversion client on your system. Free > clients are available at http://subversion.tigris.org/getting.html. > > > > Once you have installed the Subversion client you can download the source > code for version 11.9 of ESP-r anonymously using the following command: > > svn checkout https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/trunk > > > > If you already downloaded the source code of a previous version with the > above command, then you do not have to do a full download of version 11.9. > Rather, you can update the source code by executing the following command > from your "trunk" directory: > > svn update > > > > (ESP-r developers who wish to make source code contributions to ESP-r should > contact Bart Lomanowski at > Bartosz.Lomanowski at nrcan.gc.ca who can > configure an account for you on ESP-r Central. Further information on ESP-r > Central for developers is available at > http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/Programs/ESP-r_central.htm.) > > > > ESP-r source code is available exclusively through ESP-r Central. However, > you can obtain pre-compiled versions for specific operating environments on > ESRU's web site. These pre-compiled versions will generally be made > available within a few days of a source code release and will be announced to > this e-mail list. > > > > Regards, > > > > Ian Beausoleil-Morrison > > ESP-r Archivist on behalf of the ESP-r development team > > > > Carleton University > > Ottawa, Canada > > > > > > Release Notes > > 11.9 (June 2010) > > ================ > > > > Simulator > > --------- > > - A 1-node plant component model of an air-source heat pump has been added. > > The model incorporates optional outside air temperature compensation for > the > > flow temperature set point and optional defrost calculations. > > The model is described in: > > Kelly N J, Cockroft J, Gauri S, "Performance Analysis of Air Source Heat > Pumps > > Using Detailed Simulations and Comparison to Field Trial Data", Paper > submitted > > to The Biennial Conference of IBPSA-Canada, eSim2010, Winnipeg, Canada, > May 19-20. > > > > > > Project Manager > > --------------- > > - Further enhancements have been made to the GTK version. > > - Integrated Performance Views can now be generated for models up to 72 > zones. > > - Constructions can now use to up 12 layers. > > - The construction materials database has been cleaned up and materials > specified > > in the IBO PassivHaus book have been added. > > - The EPW climate import facility has been updated to support files that > match the > > specific format of climate files purchased from CIBSE as well as newer > additions > > to the US DOE climate sets. > > - There was a bug in drawing zones which had been defined via the click-on- > bitmap > > facility: this has been fixed. > > - Occupant casual gains defined on a floor-area basis were subject to > rounding > > errors in reporting graphs and tables: this has been addressed. > > - The drawing of the site origin has been improved for small and large > models. > > - Occupancy pattern files and documentation for Korean standard occupancy, > lighting, > > and equipment patterns for 30 room types have been added. (Contributed by > > DASS Korea.) > > > > > > Results Analyzer > > ---------------- > > - A new facility has been added that allows measured data (e.g. room dry bulb > > temperatures) to be associated with a model as an item in a temporal file. > > This allows users to display predicted and measured data simultaneously. > > - By convention, a demand imposed on a battery is assigned a positive value > if > > the battery is discharging and a negative value if the battery is charging. > > The current and power draws reported by the battery model in the power flow > > domain now follow this convention. > > > > > > Validation/Compliance Checking > > ------------------------------ > > - The logic, databases, and documentation associated with UK code > > compliance have been updated based on feedback from the accrediting board. > > > > > > General > > ------- > > - The export of ESP-r models to the TSBI3 tool is no longer supported. (This > > tool no longer exists.) > > - Further support has been added for the alternate 'META file' model > description > > format. > > - Database references have been made to improve model portability between > > computers. > > - The support of graphics functions on some 64-bit computing environments has > > been improved. > > > > > > Additional Changes > > ------------------ > > - Many additional changes have been made that are transparent to the user. > > Information on these, as well as further details on all the above-mentioned > > changes, can be found in ESP-r Central's change log. > From christian.glueck at kit.edu Tue Jun 29 04:53:55 2010 From: christian.glueck at kit.edu (Christian Glueck) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 05:53:55 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Release of 11.9 Message-ID: <20100629055355.5nryfpxqg4k04w0g@webmail.uni-karlsruhe.de> Hi Simon, at least if you installed the "older" version 11.8 from the svn repository, too. If yes, and if you still have got your local copy of it, you only have to 'svn update' and './Install' (+options) it again. If you installed the precompiled package from the esp-r website, you will have to download a new precompiled package again and install that. I don't know if the precompiled version is updated yet. Over here, updating and installing worked like a charm - thanks! Best regards, Christian Gl?ck Quoting esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk: [Hide Quoted Text] Send esp-r mailing list submissions to esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk You can reach the person managing the list at esp-r-owner at lists.strath.ac.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of esp-r digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: release of ESP-r version 11.9 (Ian Beausoleil-Morrison) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 09:10:08 -0400 From: "Ian Beausoleil-Morrison" Subject: [esp-r] Re: release of ESP-r version 11.9 To: "'Simon Borg'" Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Message-ID: <007901cb16c3$3bbdcf40$b3396dc0$@carleton.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" And all I need to do if I already have a previous Linux version of ESP-r installed is to to access this trunk file through the terminal and type 'svn update'? Correct. ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ian Beausoleil-Morrison [ibeausol at mae.carleton.ca] Sent: 25 June 2010 17:32 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] release of ESP-r version 11.9 ESP-r users and developers, From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Tue Jun 29 10:10:05 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim.geissler) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 11:10:05 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: error occured Message-ID: <8bcda8c98e28d13d45748c80553a524f@212.203.77.246> Hi Koji Takemasa have you solved your problem? Your model works for me. No error messages (current release). What time step did you use? I used 10/h. Best Achim --------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: "$BIp@/(B $B9' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The conference theme is enabling a highly distributed energy future, focusing on the diffusion of low carbon microgeneration technologies such as micro CHP, PV, micro wind, solar thermal, heat pumps and biomass heating within future, highly distributed energy systems. The conference is multi-disciplinary and is an opportunity for the many disparate stakeholders working in the field to meet and exchange knowledge at a time of rapid technological developments and changes to energy supplies and systems worldwide. 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In the source file I've found the reference to the report: Air-Source Heat Pump Model for Implementation in H3k H3k model documentation, Kamel Haddad, June 10 2000 is it possible to obtain the referenced report? thanks in advance Marco Manzan -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria Meccanica | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |via A. Valerio 10, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| From bigellielena at libero.it Thu Jul 1 22:02:05 2010 From: bigellielena at libero.it (bigellielena at libero.it) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 23:02:05 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [esp-r] Esp-r version 11.9 Message-ID: <17642607.817171278018125726.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Hi all, I'm trying to download version 11.9 of the ESP-r. I followed your suggestions, and I installed Collabnet Subversion Client v. 1.6.12-1 for Windows, but I can not download the source code with the command: svn checkout https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/trunk. How can I do? There's any other way to download version 11.9 of ESP-r? Thanks in advance. Best, Elena B. From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Jul 2 10:04:12 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 10:04:12 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Esp-r version 11.9 In-Reply-To: <17642607.817171278018125726.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> References: <17642607.817171278018125726.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413E1095421E3@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A question about checking out the trunk of ESP-r and getting it to work on Windows.... First, compiling from the raw source on windows is a bit of a challenge and getting subversion working is just the first of many steps. ;-( What most people do is to download a pre-compiled version of ESP-r from the ESRU web pages. It will be another week or so before the download pages can be updated but those who want one of the 11.9 Installers for Native Windows (there is a graphic version using the older GGC3 compilers and one compiled with newer GCC4 compiler and which includes both the graphic and a text-only version which is good for scripted tasks). There is also an Installer for those who are working in the Cygwin emulation environment on Windows machines. If you want one of these to be uploaded to you via the sendthisfile service prior to general availability then send me an email and specify which one you want. If you are an uber geek and want to build your own I can send you instructions for the dozens of steps needed to get a development environment working under Windows. Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of bigellielena at libero.it [bigellielena at libero.it] Sent: 01 July 2010 22:02 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Esp-r version 11.9 Hi all, I'm trying to download version 11.9 of the ESP-r. I followed your suggestions, and I installed Collabnet Subversion Client v. 1.6.12-1 for Windows, but I can not download the source code with the command: svn checkout https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/trunk. How can I do? There's any other way to download version 11.9 of ESP-r? Thanks in advance. Best, Elena B. _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From j.hensen at tue.nl Sat Jul 3 15:50:20 2010 From: j.hensen at tue.nl (Hensen, J.L.M.) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 16:50:20 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] postdoc position at TU Eindhoven Message-ID: This is to make you aware of a 2 year postdoc opening in our group. This postdoc position is related to ongoing research projects which aim to develop and apply computational building performance simulation tools for design and operation of energy aspects of innovative HVAC systems. Further details are at http://jobs.tue.nl/wd/plsql/wd_portal.show_job?p_web_site_id=3085&p_web_page_id=110104&p_order_by= Please don't hesitate to contact me for further information. I would appreciate it very much if you could forward this message to potential candidates. Thanks in advance! Jan prof. dr. ir. Jan L.M. Hensen | www.bwk.tue.nl/bps/hensen | +31 (0)40 247 2988 | Building Physics & Systems | Eindhoven University of Technology | P.O. Box 513 - VRT6.18 | 5600 MB EINDHOVEN, Netherlands -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100705/95a79b54/attachment.html From ijmccall at yahoo.com Mon Jul 5 13:57:47 2010 From: ijmccall at yahoo.com (Ian McCall) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 05:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [esp-r] Insert Surface Function ESP-r 11.9 GCC4 version Message-ID: <158694.2238.qm@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello ESP-r Support Network, It seems that the insert surface function has changed between the Native Windows version ESP-r 11.8 GCC4 and ESP-r 11.9 GCC4 version. While inserting a new surface into an existing surface the 11.9 version of ESP-r has an origin offset limit of 0.025 m in the X and Z directions. Version 11.8 does not have this limit. What is the reason for adding this feature? Is there a way to insert a new surface into an existing surface with an origin (X , Y) offset of (0 , 0)? Or is there a way to bypass this limitation? Also, it does not seem like the cancel function works in this menu option. Responses are appreciated, Ian L'?cole des Mines de Nantes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100705/350ca0d0/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Jul 5 14:39:48 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 14:39:48 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Insert Surface Function ESP-r 11.9 GCC4 version In-Reply-To: <158694.2238.qm@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <158694.2238.qm@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413E1095421F3@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> ESP-r creates not-well-formed surfaces if the offsets X and Y is zero. This was a problem for a number of users and this change prevents this kind of error. The current minimum offsets are about 25mm which allows you to get quite close to the edge of the parent surface without corrupting the parent surface. If you want to create a door that touches the left or right edge of the parent surface then you should manually create new vertices and link them to form the door and manually revise the parent surface. If you have a window that touches the base of the parent surface you have (topologically) a door. Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ian McCall [ijmccall at yahoo.com] Sent: 05 July 2010 13:57 To: ESP-r Subject: [esp-r] Insert Surface Function ESP-r 11.9 GCC4 version Hello ESP-r Support Network, It seems that the insert surface function has changed between the Native Windows version ESP-r 11.8 GCC4 and ESP-r 11.9 GCC4 version. While inserting a new surface into an existing surface the 11.9 version of ESP-r has an origin offset limit of 0.025 m in the X and Z directions. Version 11.8 does not have this limit. What is the reason for adding this feature? Is there a way to insert a new surface into an existing surface with an origin (X , Y) offset of (0 , 0)? Or is there a way to bypass this limitation? Also, it does not seem like the cancel function works in this menu option. Responses are appreciated, Ian L'?cole des Mines de Nantes From Bartosz.Lomanowski at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca Mon Jul 5 18:37:35 2010 From: Bartosz.Lomanowski at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca (Lomanowski, Bartosz) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 13:37:35 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Res "enquire about" energy balances and CFC References: Message-ID: Hi Achim, The following CFC outputs have been configured with res as of ESP-r 11.8: - inside face convection - inside longwave radiation - outside face convection - outside face longwave radiation - solar transmission - solar absorption (careful with this one - it does not include all the transparent nodes, only the inside or 'other face' node) The calculation of these fluxes is sensitive to the presence of a shade layer and the control state of that blind layer (retracted or deployed). You can find the CFC modifications to the standard energy balance in subroutine SURBAL (esrubld/blibsv.F). I don't have much experience with the "enquire about" options, but the detailed res output (temperatures, surface/ zone fluxes, heating/cooling, total solar entering from outside, etc.) does take into account CFCs. I imagine that the aggregated output functions rely on these as well. Regards, Bart >>Dear all >>does anybody have experience with res output when using CFCs? We would >>especially be interested in the validity of the "enquire about" output >>available, especially "zone energy balance" and "monthly gains / losses". >>Thanks for any hints. >>Best >>Achim From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Tue Jul 6 07:43:21 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim.geissler) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 08:43:21 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Res "enquire about" energy balances and CFC Message-ID: <613e8737789dd58e969e58f6e32e2b7f@212.203.77.246> Hi Bart ? thanks for the pointers. I had a lenghty "code browse session" and on the face of this agree with you that everything should be O.K. ? We have results we do not understand at first (and first-and-a-half) glance. However, we will go back to these results and have another hard look at them. ? Keep you posted. ? Best Achim ? --------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: "Lomanowski, Bartosz" An: "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" Cc: achim.geissler at intergga.ch Betreff: [esp-r] Re: Res "enquire about" energy balances and CFC Datum: 05/07/10 20:38 Hi Achim, The following CFC outputs have been configured with res as of ESP-r 11.8: - inside face convection - inside longwave radiation - outside face convection - outside face longwave radiation - solar transmission - solar absorption (careful with this one - it does not include all the transparent nodes, only the inside or 'other face' node) The calculation of these fluxes is sensitive to the presence of a shade layer and the control state of that blind layer (retracted or deployed). You can find the CFC modifications to the standard energy balance in subroutine SURBAL (esrubld/blibsv.F). I don't have much experience with the "enquire about" options, but the detailed res output (temperatures, surface/ zone fluxes, heating/cooling, total solar entering from outside, etc.) does take into account CFCs. I imagine that the aggregated output functions rely on these as well. Regards, Bart >>Dear all >>does anybody have experience with res output when using CFCs? We would >>especially be interested in the validity of the "enquire about" output >>available, especially "zone energy balance" and "monthly gains / losses". >>Thanks for any hints. >>Best >>Achim _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk (mailto:esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" class="autolink) http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r (http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r" target="_blank" class="autolink) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So if one of these works then all should work (in principle) Regards, Aizaz ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Achim.geissler [achim.geissler at intergga.ch] Sent: 06 July 2010 07:43 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Cc: , Bartosz Subject: [esp-r] Re: Res "enquire about" energy balances and CFC Hi Bart thanks for the pointers. I had a lenghty "code browse session" and on the face of this agree with you that everything should be O.K. We have results we do not understand at first (and first-and-a-half) glance. However, we will go back to these results and have another hard look at them. Keep you posted. Best Achim --------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: "Lomanowski, Bartosz" An: "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" Cc: achim.geissler at intergga.ch Betreff: [esp-r] Re: Res "enquire about" energy balances and CFC Datum: 05/07/10 20:38 Hi Achim, The following CFC outputs have been configured with res as of ESP-r 11.8: - inside face convection - inside longwave radiation - outside face convection - outside face longwave radiation - solar transmission - solar absorption (careful with this one - it does not include all the transparent nodes, only the inside or 'other face' node) The calculation of these fluxes is sensitive to the presence of a shade layer and the control state of that blind layer (retracted or deployed). You can find the CFC modifications to the standard energy balance in subroutine SURBAL (esrubld/blibsv.F). I don't have much experience with the "enquire about" options, but the detailed res output (temperatures, surface/ zone fluxes, heating/cooling, total solar entering from outside, etc.) does take into account CFCs. I imagine that the aggregated output functions rely on these as well. Regards, Bart >>Dear all >>does anybody have experience with res output when using CFCs? We would >>especially be interested in ! the validity of the "enquire about" output >>available, especially "zone energy balance" and "monthly gains / losses". >>Thanks for any hints. >>Best >>Achim _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From mepstein at enertaq.com Tue Jul 6 20:03:48 2010 From: mepstein at enertaq.com (Max Epstein) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 15:03:48 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Modeling HVAC power demand by seconds Message-ID: <009001cb1d3d$fa263690$ee72a3b0$@com> Hello, I would like to model commercial building HVAC operation and especially power demand at a 2-10 second time-step. I read about ESP-r on eere.energy.gov (US) that: "Building and flow simulations can be undertaken at frequencies of one minute to one hour and system simulations can be from fractions of a second to an hour." Does this mean power demand data can be output/recorded as fast as every 2-10 seconds? Also, can thermostat setpoint adjustments be made dynamically while the simulation is running in response to changing building conditions? Or can many 10second (duration) simulations be strung together and automated with dynamic thermostat setpoints implemented in between, according to predetermined logic and evolving building conditions? I read on ESP-r's capabilities page that modules can be driven by scripts to automate tasks. Could you please elaborate on that functionality in regards to the potential for modeling a building with dynamic thermostat setpoint adjustments every 2-10 seconds, or at least every minute? Any help would be much appreciated, thanks for your time. Max Epstein -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Those who sped a bit more time with system components will hopefully provide further clarification... ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Max Epstein [mepstein at enertaq.com] Sent: 06 July 2010 20:03 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Modeling HVAC power demand by seconds Hello, I would like to model commercial building HVAC operation and especially power demand at a 2-10 second time-step. I read about ESP-r on eere.energy.gov (US) that: ?Building and flow simulations can be undertaken at frequencies of one minute to one hour and system simulations can be from fractions of a second to an hour.? Does this mean power demand data can be output/recorded as fast as every 2-10 seconds? :: The zone solver can go down to a frequency of one minute. The systems solver runs at a multiple of the zone solver and so it is possible to run at a one second timeframe for the system side although many users would be happy with a longer timestep. :: Power demand needs some clarification - some of the performance attributes of components are available for analysis but some components do not include a full description of electrical characteristics so everything that you want might not be available or only available if you fully define the power characteristics of the building (the kind of stuff that an electrical engineer deals with). Also, can thermostat setpoint adjustments be made dynamically while the simulation is running in response to changing building conditions? Or can many 10second (duration) simulations be strung together and automated with dynamic thermostat setpoints implemented in between, according to predetermined logic and evolving building conditions? :: The shortest simulation is one day. One can schedule setpoints but I don't think anyone has tried to do this at the minutely or sub-minutely time frame. What kind of setpoint adjustments? One of our PhD students is working on a predictive control that takes in live data and uses the simulator as a virtual BEMS so all kinds of things are possible if you have a lot of passion. I read on ESP-r?s capabilities page that modules can be driven by scripts to automate tasks. Could you please elaborate on that functionality in regards to the potential for modeling a building with dynamic thermostat setpoint adjustments every 2-10 seconds, or at least every minute? :: For those working on Linux or OSX or Unix the scripting options would fill a book. Essentially ESP-r can be run in a text mode and take instructions from an outside agent. The Install script creates or updates about 190 models on the fly using scripts and scripts can be use to run standard assessments and extract reports. Some of this is dicsussed in the ESP-r Developers guide (on the ESRU web pages). Regards, Jon Hand From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Wed Jul 7 10:09:51 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim.geissler) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 11:09:51 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Modeling HVAC power demand by seconds Message-ID: <1f0605ff9e99fdca8eddcfedff1cc29c@212.203.77.246> In addition to the below I can verify that setpoints can be "easily" given at time steps well below an hour via the "tdf" functionality (to date, I have used 15 min intervals successfully - going shorter should only be a question of generating the increasing amounts of data necessary). Best Achim --------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: "Jon Hand" An: "Max Epstein" , "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" Betreff: [esp-r] Re: Modeling HVAC power demand by seconds Datum: 07/07/10 12:03 Some questions about HVAC frequency and reporting.... Initial answers below each question. Those who sped a bit more time with system components will hopefully provide further clarification... ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk (mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk" class="autolink) [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Max Epstein [mepstein at enertaq.com] Sent: 06 July 2010 20:03 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk (mailto:esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" class="autolink) Subject: [esp-r] Modeling HVAC power demand by seconds Hello, I would like to model commercial building HVAC operation and especially power demand at a 2-10 second time-step. I read about ESP-r on eere.energy.gov (US) that: “Building and flow simulations can be undertaken at frequencies of one minute to one hour and system simulations can be from fractions of a second to an hour.” Does this mean power demand data can be output/recorded as fast as every 2-10 seconds? :: The zone solver can go down to a frequency of one minute. The systems solver runs at a multiple of the zone solver and so it is possible to run at a one second timeframe for the system side although many users would be happy with a longer timestep. :: Power demand needs some clarification - some of the performance attributes of components are available for analysis but some components do not include a full description of electrical characteristics so everything that you want might not be available or only available if you fully define the power characteristics of the building (the kind of stuff that an electrical engineer deals with). Also, can thermostat setpoint adjustments be made dynamically while the simulation is running in response to changing building conditions? Or can many 10second (duration) simulations be strung together and automated with dynamic thermostat setpoints implemented in between, according to predetermined logic and evolving building conditions? :: The shortest simulation is one day. One can schedule setpoints but I don't think anyone has tried to do this at the minutely or sub-minutely time frame. What kind of setpoint adjustments? One of our PhD students is working on a predictive control that takes in live data and uses the simulator as a virtual BEMS so all kinds of things are possible if you have a lot of passion. I read on ESP-r’s capabilities page that modules can be driven by scripts to automate tasks. Could you please elaborate on that functionality in regards to the potential for modeling a building with dynamic thermostat setpoint adjustments every 2-10 seconds, or at least every minute? :: For those working on Linux or OSX or Unix the scripting options would fill a book. Essentially ESP-r can be run in a text mode and take instructions from an outside agent. The Install script creates or updates about 190 models on the fly using scripts and scripts can be use to run standard assessments and extract reports. Some of this is dicsussed in the ESP-r Developers guide (on the ESRU web pages). Regards, Jon Hand _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk (mailto:esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" class="autolink) http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r (http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r" target="_blank" class="autolink) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100707/adcc8dd1/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Wed Jul 7 10:11:58 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim.geissler) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 11:11:58 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: enquire about Message-ID: To slightly narrow the line of enquiry, why is "solar absorbed" larger (more Wh) than "solar entering"? Less would be understandable due to direct reflection out of the zone again, more seems strange. Thanks. Best Achim --------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: "Hoffmann Caroline" An: "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" Betreff: [esp-r] enquire about Datum: 07/07/10 11:41 Dear all ? During the last days there was a discussion about the results accessible via "enquire about". The following screenshot shows the results we still do not understand. Why is "Solar radiation absorbed inside" bigger than any other ?amount (even bigger than "Transparent surfs" and "Opaque surfs" togheter)? The zones A1, A2, A3, I1, I3 and F2 are facing outside conditions. ? ? I would appreciate any hints. sincerely yours, ? Caroline Hoffmann ? __________________________________________________ ? Caroline Hoffmann Dr.-Ing. (Architektur) ? Gartenmann Engineering AG St. Jakobs-Strasse 54 4052 Basel ? Tel. dir.: +61 377 93 08 Fax: +61 377 93 01 ? 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100707/e6c4b30b/attachment.html From jeremy at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Jul 7 13:23:03 2010 From: jeremy at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jeremy Cockroft) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:23:03 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Modeling HVAC power demand by seconds In-Reply-To: <009001cb1d3d$fa263690$ee72a3b0$@com> References: <009001cb1d3d$fa263690$ee72a3b0$@com> Message-ID: <6603B7AA41177F4197EC5DB20D73FC7FF23FF38311@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> We have been running domestic building models with one minute time step, with detailed plant and controls modelling with 5 seconds time step. We want to be sure to capture dynamic aspects of control system behaviour. You might not want to write out results for every time step though. Jeremy Cockroft University of Strathclyde The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC015263 ________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Max Epstein Sent: 06 July 2010 20:04 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Modeling HVAC power demand by seconds Hello, I would like to model commercial building HVAC operation and especially power demand at a 2-10 second time-step. I read about ESP-r on eere.energy.gov (US) that: "Building and flow simulations can be undertaken at frequencies of one minute to one hour and system simulations can be from fractions of a second to an hour." Does this mean power demand data can be output/recorded as fast as every 2-10 seconds? Also, can thermostat setpoint adjustments be made dynamically while the simulation is running in response to changing building conditions? Or can many 10second (duration) simulations be strung together and automated with dynamic thermostat setpoints implemented in between, according to predetermined logic and evolving building conditions? I read on ESP-r's capabilities page that modules can be driven by scripts to automate tasks. Could you please elaborate on that functionality in regards to the potential for modeling a building with dynamic thermostat setpoint adjustments every 2-10 seconds, or at least every minute? Any help would be much appreciated, thanks for your time. Max Epstein -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Alex Ferguson Sustainable Buildings and Communities (Housing Group) CanmetENERGY Natural Resources Canada P:+1 613 995 3294 F:+1 613 996 9909 Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Marco Manzan Sent: July 1, 2010 08:28 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] heat pump modeling dear all I'm using esp-r with the hvac facility in order to compare different heating and cooling systems for an office building. Gcep and ashp routines use polynomial curves to obtain COP of heat pumps at differen conditions. 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Message-ID: <225392.79120.qm@web31809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello ESP-r support (aka. Jon), I am using ESP-r 11.9 Native windows version. I have done a first floor model of an apartment building ( 15 zones and Typoloty 152 connects). I have created the geometry files, construction files and operation files for each zone. When I go to "Simulation" - "Integrate Simulation" - "Run Silently" .... (there are no errors displayed in "pop-up" windows) the computer attempts to do the simulation but then the results window disappears with out creating the results file. In the end nothing happens. I have simulated other models (the examples models that come with ESP-r) of similar complexity, hence the problem is not my computer. Is there a way for ESP-r 11.9 Native windows version to display an error reporting list? The only error that appears is when I start the project: "Failed in ..\zones/cave3.con: conversion of air gap value in 0.170 ECONST: Read/conversion error in... 3, 0.170" I am pretty sure this has nothing to do with the simulation not running. Input is welcome, Ian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100707/e9b69bd9/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have also copied some of my .enf file below. Much appreciated, Neil FileVersion 1.00 * electrical network # ESP-r Electrical network file created with configuration file: batt_test_school.cfg # Network description: none * net type balanced * base power value (all nodes) 1000.00 * phase angles (each phase) 0.00 120.00 240.00 # List and details of nodes in the network * nodes 2 # No. Node name Phase type Phase Node type Base volt 1 grid_inter 1-phase 1 fixed_V 120.00 0 2 house_batt 1-phase 1 variable 120.00 0 ** end nodes # List and details of load and generator connections to nodes * hybrid components 3 # No. comp. type comp. name phase type connects node(s) location 1 plant pump_el 1-phase 2 0 0 1 0 0 # plt comp node connections DC node id AC node id 1 0 0 # description: none # No. of additional data items: 0 # No. comp. type comp. name phase type connects node(s) location 2 plant SE_el 1-phase 2 0 0 2 0 0 # plt comp node connections DC node id AC node id 1 0 0 # description: none # No. of additional data items: 0 # No. comp. type comp. name phase type connects node(s) location 3 plant blower_el 1-phase 2 0 0 4 0 0 # plt comp node connections DC node id AC node id 1 0 0 # description: none # No. of additional data items: 0 ** end hybrid # List and details of power only components * power-only components 2 # No. i.d. Comp. name Phase type links to nodes 1 22 battery d.c. 2 0 0 # description: its just a battery # no. of additional data items: 81 0 34.000 35.000 1.5000 25.000 4.3000 2.8500 25.000 4.3000 25.000 0.0000 27.300 0.39000E-01 582.86 1.0000 0.0000 60.000 -40.000 -5.8601 14.822 -15.053 6.9328 -2.2137 4.2221 0.11520 -0.25560 0.20070 -0.65100E-01 0.26500E-01 0.20200E-01 0.60500E-01 1.0000 0.12100 1.0000 0.24190 1.0000 1.2096 0.98500 6.0480 0.89500 12.096 0.77500 12.192 0.59300 999.00 0.59300 -40.000 0.90500 0.18700 -20.000 0.98500 0.36600E-01 0.0000 1.0000 0.12300E-01 10.000 1.0000 0.62000E-02 20.000 1.0000 0.24000E-02 30.000 1.0000 -0.15000E-04 40.000 1.0000 -0.12000E-02 60.000 1.0000 -0.12000E-02 0.0000 0.0000 1.0000 0.0000 0.19720 -0.47490 0.41180 -0.14720 0.38000E-01 0.15400E-01 16.000 # No. i.d. 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100707/05ae89f9/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Jul 8 08:32:24 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 08:32:24 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Error reporting list for ESP-r 11.9 Native windows version??? In-Reply-To: <225392.79120.qm@web31809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <225392.79120.qm@web31809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413E10954220E@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> The 'silent' mode for running simulations is for use when you are comfortable with a model and the predictions (i.e. you know there are no errors). In silent mode the simulator attempts to run silently and not report warnings and errors. To see warnings and errors you should run in interactive mode. If however the simulator crashes it might be putting up a warning and exiting almost immideatly (this also happens for certain kinds of errors for the simulator running in graphic mode on Linux and OSX. If you have it you could attempt to run the simulation using the text mode version of the simulator (in bin_text) via a DOS command window. Warnings and errors will show up in the DOS command window. And the bit a a warning printed at the bottom of the email is certainly one issue that can cause the simulator to fail. Suggest that you use the project manager and go into the zone composition menu -> constructions and request to re-build the zone construction files. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: Ian McCall [ijmccall at yahoo.com] Sent: 07 July 2010 18:53 To: Jon Hand Cc: ESP-r Subject: Error reporting list for ESP-r 11.9 Native windows version??? Hello ESP-r support (aka. Jon), I am using ESP-r 11.9 Native windows version. I have done a first floor model of an apartment building ( 15 zones and Typoloty 152 connects). I have created the geometry files, construction files and operation files for each zone. When I go to "Simulation" - "Integrate Simulation" - "Run Silently" .... (there are no errors displayed in "pop-up" windows) the computer attempts to do the simulation but then the results window disappears with out creating the results file. In the end nothing happens. I have simulated other models (the examples models that come with ESP-r) of similar complexity, hence the problem is not my computer. Is there a way for ESP-r 11.9 Native windows version to display an error reporting list? The only error that appears is when I start the project: "Failed in ..\zones/cave3.con: conversion of air gap value in 0.170 ECONST: Read/conversion error in... 3, 0.170" I am pretty sure this has nothing to do with the simulation not running. Input is welcome, Ian From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Jul 8 12:25:23 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 12:25:23 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] reminder to check your localle before working with ESP-r models! Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413E109542213@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A sad story - a user had a nice little model and then all of a sudden it stoped workinig and could not be opened.... And what happened was that the zone geometry file and the model configuration file had written out real numbers with a comma for a decimal place. ESP-r thinks that a comma separates two numbers and got hopelessly messed up. The fault was corrected (in this case) by a global replace of the commas with a dot for decimal places. Two things to learn from this.... a) keep a back up copy of your model before you start working on it (so you can recover from this kind of change) b) if you are working in a region of the world that uses something other than a dot/period for a decimal place you need to reset your localle while working with ESP-r. And this is simply because we do not know how to instruct the input/output format statements (written in fortran) to treat real numbers in a different way. Regards, Jon Hand From roberta.pischetola at libero.it Thu Jul 8 09:15:19 2010 From: roberta.pischetola at libero.it (roberta.pischetola at libero.it) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 10:15:19 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [esp-r] climate dates Message-ID: <18640161.220391278576919754.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> we are two students of Brescia's University, Pischetola Roberta and Nicola Della Grazia. We are ESP-r's new users. We're using the X11 ESP-r release of Linux (Ubuntu). We have already read Cookbook, but we have some problems: - how can we input climate date's file .epw downloaded from http://apps1.eere. energy.gov/buildings/energyplus/cfm/weather_data3.cfm ? - how can we input climate date's file .xls ? Roberta Pischetola Nicola Della Grazia From aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk Fri Jul 9 11:13:13 2010 From: aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk (Aizaz Samuel) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:13:13 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: climate dates In-Reply-To: <18640161.220391278576919754.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> References: <18640161.220391278576919754.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Message-ID: <201007091113.13372.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> Pischetola and Nicola, To import epw files you need to edit these as described in https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/trunk/src/climate/README_IWEC For reading in .xls files export the file as a text file making sure it has the correct format (as found at https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/trunk/src/climate/ look at any of the files with a .a extension). Easiest way to export is ctrl+A > ctrl+C (in the spreadsheet) and then ctrl+V in a text editor provided all the information in the spreadsheet is relevant. Once you have the correct format give the command clm from a command line. Then new climate database > give name > import text file > ASCII ESP-r file > with day demarcation lines. When data is read in display e.g. temperature to check. Regards, -- Dr Aizaz A Samuel Department of Mechanical Engineering University of Strathclyde M324 James Weir Building 75 Montrose Street Glasgow, UK G1 1XJ T:+44 141 548 5765 F:+44 141 552 5105 On Thursday 08 July 2010 09:15, roberta.pischetola at libero.it wrote: > we are two students of Brescia's University, Pischetola Roberta and Nicola > Della Grazia. > We are ESP-r's new users. We're using the X11 ESP-r release of Linux > (Ubuntu). > > We have already read Cookbook, but we have some problems: > - how can we input climate date's file .epw downloaded from > http://apps1.eere. energy.gov/buildings/energyplus/cfm/weather_data3.cfm ? > - how can we input climate date's file .xls ? > > Roberta Pischetola > Nicola Della Grazia > > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From ijmccall at yahoo.com Mon Jul 12 16:06:36 2010 From: ijmccall at yahoo.com (Ian McCall) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 08:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [esp-r] Zone Control - ESP-r 11.9 GCC4 native windows version Message-ID: <797324.44174.qm@web31812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bonjour / hello ESP-r support, I am unable to implement the zone control function on my apartment building model with ESP-r 11.9 GCC4 native windows version. I am able to create a simple zone control file for one of the zones "apt1" - 1) Zone Sensor - Senses current zone db temp 2) Zone Actuator - air point or surface in apt1 3) Basic controller for heating / cooling ...etc... and apply it to a zone etc... I can successfully run / integrate simulation but the zone "apt1" results file indicates that it just ?free-floats? and does follow the zone control file. I have created simple ?test? file with a simple zone control in ESP-r 11_8_GCC3 native windows version. I ran the simulator / integrated simulation and the results file indicates that the "test" zone responds to the Basic controller for heating / cooling. However when I load the same ?test? file in 11_9_GCC4 , run the simulator / integrate simulation the results file again indicates that the zone just ?free-floats?. No matter what zone control I choose the zone just free floats. Have I made a mistake somewhere? 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I just tried this a few minutes ago with an older model and the found that the model cfg file and the zone geometry files were revised to the current format. The help message was not correct and should be revised! -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of javier carrasco [javierc.e.arquitecto at gmail.com] Sent: 12 July 2010 16:41 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] linear thermal bridges facility I am using the latest windows version of ESP-r (Testing prj_dev at r5442) and I am trying to use the linear thermal bridges facility. This facility is not available and I was told that I have to use the ?folders & files? option to convert to new file format. Inside this option I was told to use the ?scan & rewrite model files?, but this option does not seem to work in windows. Any idea of what should I do or what am I doing wrong? Thanks Javier Carrasco Eade ? MSc student University of Nottingham -- Javier Carrasco Eade Arquitecto - UBB From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Jul 12 17:38:41 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 17:38:41 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Zone Control - ESP-r 11.9 GCC4 native windows version In-Reply-To: <797324.44174.qm@web31812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <797324.44174.qm@web31812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413E10954222F@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A user reports an issue with an ideal zone control. This is the first report of a basic zone control acting like a free float for version 11.9. 11.9 has been used recently with models that include zone ideal controls so.... To check that it is not something specific to your model that is exhibiting a sensitivity between 11.8 and 11.9 try one of the exemplar models with an ideal zone control and try running that on your computer and see what happens. If that works as expected then there is something about your model and to find out what is specifically the issue it would be useful to look at a model QA report. ESP-r allows you to define controls that you might want to use in the future and so there is a separate item in the ideal control menu selection that links thermal zones to ideal controls - make sure that you have assigned these relationships! That is a classic reason why zones free float. One minor change that you could try is to set the actuator to 'the current zone' rather than a specific zone. You could also check to see if it works if you alter the sensor to point at the specific zone. Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: Ian McCall [ijmccall at yahoo.com] Sent: 12 July 2010 16:06 To: Jon Hand Cc: ESP-r Subject: Zone Control - ESP-r 11.9 GCC4 native windows version Bonjour / hello ESP-r support, I am unable to implement the zone control function on my apartment building model with ESP-r 11.9 GCC4 native windows version. I am able to create a simple zone control file for one of the zones "apt1" - 1) Zone Sensor - Senses current zone db temp 2) Zone Actuator - air point or surface in apt1 3) Basic controller for heating / cooling ...etc... and apply it to a zone etc... I can successfully run / integrate simulation but the zone "apt1" results file indicates that it just ?free-floats? and does follow the zone control file. I have created simple ?test? file with a simple zone control in ESP-r 11_8_GCC3 native windows version. I ran the simulator / integrated simulation and the results file indicates that the "test" zone responds to the Basic controller for heating / cooling. However when I load the same ?test? file in 11_9_GCC4 , run the simulator / integrate simulation the results file again indicates that the zone just ?free-floats?. No matter what zone control I choose the zone just free floats. Have I made a mistake somewhere? Is there an error in the compiling of ESP-r 11_9_GCC4 Native Windows Version?? Responses are welcome, Ian From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Jul 13 08:06:39 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 08:06:39 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Zone Control - ESP-r 11.9 GCC4 native windows version In-Reply-To: <797324.44174.qm@web31812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <797324.44174.qm@web31812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413E109542231@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Just to confirm that I tried a random ESP-r model on an 11.9 native windows and the ideal zone control functions as expected. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: Ian McCall [ijmccall at yahoo.com] Sent: 12 July 2010 16:06 To: Jon Hand Cc: ESP-r Subject: Zone Control - ESP-r 11.9 GCC4 native windows version Bonjour / hello ESP-r support, I am unable to implement the zone control function on my apartment building model with ESP-r 11.9 GCC4 native windows version. I am able to create a simple zone control file for one of the zones "apt1" - 1) Zone Sensor - Senses current zone db temp 2) Zone Actuator - air point or surface in apt1 3) Basic controller for heating / cooling ...etc... and apply it to a zone etc... I can successfully run / integrate simulation but the zone "apt1" results file indicates that it just ?free-floats? and does follow the zone control file. I have created simple ?test? file with a simple zone control in ESP-r 11_8_GCC3 native windows version. I ran the simulator / integrated simulation and the results file indicates that the "test" zone responds to the Basic controller for heating / cooling. However when I load the same ?test? file in 11_9_GCC4 , run the simulator / integrate simulation the results file again indicates that the zone just ?free-floats?. No matter what zone control I choose the zone just free floats. Have I made a mistake somewhere? Is there an error in the compiling of ESP-r 11_9_GCC4 Native Windows Version?? Responses are welcome, Ian From p.kainberger at tas-bauphysik.com Thu Jul 15 09:37:38 2010 From: p.kainberger at tas-bauphysik.com (Philipp Kainberger) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 10:37:38 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Error (17) Message-ID: <000301cb23f8$fb85c2a0$f29147e0$@kainberger@tas-bauphysik.com> Dear all, we recently changed our IT infrastructure, so instead of a single PC where we ran ESP-r and stored all project files on this PC, we now have several VMWare Machines on our Windows Workstations with ESP-r installed on them (Ubuntu 10.04, ESP-r 11.9) and working from a shared project directory on our fileserver (Apple XServe). We mounted this directory in ubuntu (/home/projects). If we create a new project with esp-r in this directory everything works fine, but if we copy one of our old projects in this directory, edit something, (f.e. constructions or operations ...) and then trying to save the changes made, following error appears: Error (17) opening the file ../databases/multicon.db If we copy the old project on the local machine (f.e. /home/desktop) and working with it from there, again everything is fine and we can save the changes made. The problem persists on both versions, X11 and GTK. I already played around with the permissions (chmod 777) but I don?t think that is the problem. Maybe somebody can help. :-) Thanks Philipp Kainberger TAS Bauphysik GmbH Welser Stra?e 35-39 A-4060 Leonding Telefon:?+43 (0)732 / 67 51 67 - 25 Fax:?????? +43 (0)732 / 67 51 67 - 5 E-Mail:?? p.kainberger at tas-bauphysik.com Internet:? www.tas-bauphysik.com From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Sat Jul 17 10:58:44 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 10:58:44 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Error (17) In-Reply-To: <000301cb23f8$fb85c2a0$f29147e0$@kainberger@tas-bauphysik.com> References: <000301cb23f8$fb85c2a0$f29147e0$@kainberger@tas-bauphysik.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413E10954224A@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A user attempted to access models on a mounted file store.... This is going to be rather difficult to debug because of the combination of machine types and operating systems. One step is to attempt to create a shoe-box model on the /home/projects folder and the same model on the local machine. Then look at the differences in all the files (use kompare or something like that). That could identify something. If I had this kind of setup I would probably be running the project manager executable in a debugger such as DDD or gdb and I would set a break-point near a point in the source where a file write is about to happen and see at what line (and perhaps for what cause) the failure happened. The thing that might be the issue is the Xserve. File permissions might be an issue - various users probably need to be in the same group to read and write to the folder. Note that ESP-r was not written with the idea that multiple people might be accessing a model at the same time. To prevent some forms of chaos some groups adopt a policy of checking out a model from the central model store and work on it and then upload the model back to the file store at intervals. The other possible problem might be the path length. If that gets long then file names are truncated. The specific message was about attempting to open ../databases/multicon.db - does that file exist in the model folder? And while I am thinking about it - the recommended folder to be in when opening up an existing model is in the models cfg folder. Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Philipp Kainberger [p.kainberger at tas-bauphysik.com] Sent: 15 July 2010 09:37 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Error (17) Dear all, we recently changed our IT infrastructure, so instead of a single PC where we ran ESP-r and stored all project files on this PC, we now have several VMWare Machines on our Windows Workstations with ESP-r installed on them (Ubuntu 10.04, ESP-r 11.9) and working from a shared project directory on our fileserver (Apple XServe). We mounted this directory in ubuntu (/home/projects). If we create a new project with esp-r in this directory everything works fine, but if we copy one of our old projects in this directory, edit something, (f.e. constructions or operations ...) and then trying to save the changes made, following error appears: Error (17) opening the file ../databases/multicon.db If we copy the old project on the local machine (f.e. /home/desktop) and working with it from there, again everything is fine and we can save the changes made. The problem persists on both versions, X11 and GTK. I already played around with the permissions (chmod 777) but I don?t think that is the problem. Maybe somebody can help. :-) Thanks Philipp Kainberger TAS Bauphysik GmbH Welser Stra?e 35-39 A-4060 Leonding Telefon: +43 (0)732 / 67 51 67 - 25 Fax: +43 (0)732 / 67 51 67 - 5 E-Mail: p.kainberger at tas-bauphysik.com Internet: www.tas-bauphysik.com _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Sat Jul 17 13:40:44 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 13:40:44 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: enquire about solar entering and absorbed in zones Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413E109542250@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Sorry about the delay in answering this... I did a quick test with a small box model with a single window in the south side (no obstructions) but I did an insolation analysis on it and then ran a short winter simulation and grabbed some images associated with solar entering the zone and solar absorbed in the zone. For this simple case the absorbed is always a bit less than what enters. This is what we normally see in the exemplar models. This was done with the current source distribution on Linux. The email below does not follow that pattern so the question is what is different about this model? a) are the optical properties or surface solar properties extreme? b) is there some sort of optical control or the use of bi-directional optical data? c) is there a thermophysical substitution control? d) Do the model predictions indicate that there is an energy balance at zone air nodes and at surface nodes? e) On this machine do other standard models exhibit this same reporting behavior? f) is this a non-standard version of ESP-r? If so what Install flags were used when building it? g) does this model have more than 100 zones? h) was shading or insolation calculated? -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Hoffmann Caroline [C.Hoffmann at gae.ch] Sent: 07 July 2010 07:49 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] enquire about Dear all During the last days there was a discussion about the results accessible via "enquire about". The following screenshot shows the results we still do not understand. Why is "Solar radiation absorbed inside" bigger than any other amount (even bigger than "Transparent surfs" and "Opaque surfs" togheter)? The zones A1, A2, A3, I1, I3 and F2 are facing outside conditions. [cid:image001.png at 01CB1DB1.575DE7E0] I would appreciate any hints. sincerely yours, Caroline Hoffmann __________________________________________________ Caroline Hoffmann Dr.-Ing. 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Pischetola Roberta Della Grazia Nicola From roberta.pischetola at libero.it Mon Jul 19 11:20:05 2010 From: roberta.pischetola at libero.it (roberta.pischetola at libero.it) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 12:20:05 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [esp-r] cimatic data Message-ID: <30486109.162281279534805556.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Dear ESP-r users, we still have problems in the climatic data input. We tried two ways: 1) file conversion by terminal: the software can't read it and shows just a list of null values; 2) import the file directly without conversion: the software reads it but still gives null values for the temperature. We hope that someone can help us. Regards. Pischetola Roberta Della Grazia Nicola From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Jul 19 12:13:19 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 12:13:19 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: cimatic data In-Reply-To: <30486109.162281279534805556.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> References: <30486109.162281279534805556.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413E109542256@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A binary Linux version of the climate file and an ASCII ESP-r file were forwarded to this person. Lets see if that helps. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of roberta.pischetola at libero.it [roberta.pischetola at libero.it] Sent: 19 July 2010 11:20 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] cimatic data Dear ESP-r users, we still have problems in the climatic data input. We tried two ways: 1) file conversion by terminal: the software can't read it and shows just a list of null values; 2) import the file directly without conversion: the software reads it but still gives null values for the temperature. We hope that someone can help us. Regards. Pischetola Roberta Della Grazia Nicola _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From seal113 at 163.com Wed Jul 21 02:05:47 2010 From: seal113 at 163.com (=?gbk?B?xaOgxA==?=) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 09:05:47 +0800 (CST) Subject: [esp-r] How to get the node temperature? Message-ID: <7dd1a2.a7e.129f288f033.Coremail.seal113@163.com> I correctly define a PCM model, and it works right.But I have another question for the result.could anyone help me? I have defined the PCM in the internal layer of a multi-Layer wall. If I want to export a graph of the pcm?s internal\middle\external node temperature. How can I deal with it ? Result analysis--Graphs--Time:var graph--Temeratures--surf node T? Does it right? When I put it, it tell me :This selection only available with a save option 3 result-set. Best wishes. Niu Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100721/7be5ec99/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Jul 21 10:37:35 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 10:37:35 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: How to get the node temperature? In-Reply-To: <7dd1a2.a7e.129f288f033.Coremail.seal113@163.com> References: <7dd1a2.a7e.129f288f033.Coremail.seal113@163.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413E109542279@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A question about accessing information on the temperatures of a node within a wall. The suggestion given by the sofware is to use the 'save option 3'. To clarity - when a simulation is run (the bps module) there is a choice of what information is written to the results file. The default is 'save option 4' which allows for reporting of energy balances and zones and surfaces. There is another option 'save option 3' which writes out temperatures at each node of each construction in the model. So if you make this selection in the simulator the correct information will be included so that you can graph or list or report on node temperatures in the results analysis module. Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ???? [seal113 at 163.com] Sent: 21 July 2010 02:05 To: esp-r Subject: [esp-r] How to get the node temperature? I correctly define a PCM model, and it works right.But I have another question for the result.could anyone help me?? I have defined the PCM in the internal layer of a multi-Layer wall. If I want to export a graph of the pcm??s internal\middle\external node temperature. How can I deal with it ? Result analysis--Graphs--Time:var graph--Temeratures--surf node T? Does it right? When I put it, it tell me :This selection only available with a save option 3 result-set. Best wishes. Niu Ben ________________________________ ?????????????????????????????? From ijmccall at yahoo.com Thu Jul 22 14:13:53 2010 From: ijmccall at yahoo.com (Ian McCall) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 06:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [esp-r] "Found surface attribute... ANOTHER" and Changing Names for Constructions Message-ID: <880147.26722.qm@web31808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello ESP-r, 1) I have the following Error Message: "A model with inconsistent surface topology attributes might fail when simulated. Found surface attribute... ANOTHER" error message appears when I activate the "simulation". Background: I am working with an apartment building (currently 15 zones) designed in ESP-r 11.9 windows native version. - In the model management option I have loaded a copied version of the construction database. - I then deleted unnecessary constructions in the database. - This change cause many contiguity errors so I used the ?Clear ALL CONTIGUITY? option and then automatically re-created (several times) all the connection / contiguity. - The connections in the "cnn" file looks correct but ESP-r threw up a long list of many "Duplicates Surfaces <> master list" and problems with the "Zone surface <> master list" etc... - So, I went in the individual zones and manually re-re-created the all the boundaries "surface in another zone" connections / contiguities that ESP-r automatically created. This manual intervention has eliminated the list of errors except for the one listed above. I can run the simulation without any further apparent errors. Any ideas of how to eliminate this "Found surface attribute... ANOTHER" error? I have looked at the QA report but I do not see anything that would cause this error. 2) Changing Names for Construction Geometries - I created a new wall construction of pure concrete called ?IntnaWallCav? in the constructions database. I assigned this construction to the walls in my model. For some unknown reason when I now exit the respective zone this walls at times change to a construction called ?rete?. There is no item in the construction database called ?rete?. The thermal properties and construction of ?IntnaWallCav? and ?rete? are exactly the same. Does ESP-r change the construction name ?IntnaWallCav? to ?rete? because ?IntnaWallCav? is too long? Any other ideas? Regards, Ian Ecole des Mines de Nantes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100722/e6fd75a5/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Jul 22 14:46:34 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:46:34 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: "Found surface attribute... ANOTHER" and Changing Names for Constructions In-Reply-To: <880147.26722.qm@web31808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <880147.26722.qm@web31808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413E109542292@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A series of questions with answers added :: ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ian McCall [ijmccall at yahoo.com] Sent: 22 July 2010 14:13 To: ESP-r Subject: [esp-r] "Found surface attribute... ANOTHER" and Changing Names for Constructions Hello ESP-r, 1) I have the following Error Message: "A model with inconsistent surface topology attributes might fail when simulated. Found surface attribute... ANOTHER" error message appears when I activate the "simulation". :: the attribute ANOTHER is a correct attribute. It tells the simulator to look in the connections file to get the details. :: the message about inconsistent surface topology is something to pay attention to. Background: I am working with an apartment building (currently 15 zones) designed in ESP-r 11.9 windows native version. - In the model management option I have loaded a copied version of the construction database. - I then deleted unnecessary constructions in the database. :: removing constructions from a database will have no impact on surface contiguity. - This change cause many contiguity errors so I used the ?Clear ALL CONTIGUITY? option and then automatically re-created (several times) all the connection / contiguity. - The connections in the "cnn" file looks correct but ESP-r threw up a long list of many "Duplicates Surfaces <> master list" and problems with the "Zone surface <> master list" etc... :: if your cleared the contiguity and then asked to check contiguity again it should find the matches. It would fail if you had a duplicate zone and it might fail if you had duplicate surfaces with duplicate names in the same zone. That is very difficult for it to detect and correct. - So, I went in the individual zones and manually re-re-created the all the boundaries "surface in another zone" connections / contiguities that ESP-r automatically created. This manual intervention has eliminated the list of errors except for the one listed above. I can run the simulation without any further apparent errors. Any ideas of how to eliminate this "Found surface attribute... ANOTHER" error? I have looked at the QA report but I do not see anything that would cause this error. :: you need to find the specific surface in the zone geometry file and also look in the connections file for that same surface and see what is different. There might be two other surfaces that point to this one surface. 2) Changing Names for Construction Geometries - I created a new wall construction of pure concrete called ?IntnaWallCav? in the constructions database. I assigned this construction to the walls in my model. For some unknown reason when I now exit the respective zone this walls at times change to a construction called ?rete?. There is no item in the construction database called ?rete?. The thermal properties and construction of ?IntnaWallCav? and ?rete? are exactly the same. Does ESP-r change the construction name ?IntnaWallCav? to ?rete? because ?IntnaWallCav? is too long? Any other ideas? :: you are allowed 12 characters, some people stop at 11 characters to be safe. Is there any other construction that includes the characters rete ? Regards, Ian Ecole des Mines de Nantes From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Thu Jul 22 15:08:50 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim.geissler) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 16:08:50 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: "Found surface attribute... ANOTHER" and Changing Names for Constructions Message-ID: <86c2d34cd589b5e0a2769f18b1c4a763@212.203.77.246> Hi Ian if you have a grep utility on windows, search your .geo files for the offending "Another". grep -ni "Another" *.geo Somewhere there will be a surface defined with Another in the .geo but not in .cnn. Best Achim --------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: "Ian McCall" An: "ESP-r" Betreff: [esp-r] "Found surface attribute... ANOTHER" and Changing Names for Constructions Datum: 22/07/10 16:42 Hello ESP-r, 1) I have the following Error Message: "A model with inconsistent surface topology attributes?might fail when simulated.?Found surface attribute... ANOTHER" error message appears when?I activate the "simulation". Background:?I am working with an apartment building (currently 15 zones) designed in ESP-r 11.9 windows native version.? - In the model management option I have loaded a copied version of the construction database.- I then deleted unnecessary?constructions?in the database.?- This change cause many contiguity errors so I used the??“Clear ALL CONTIGUITY” option and then automatically re-created (several times) all the connection / contiguity.- The connections in the "cnn" file looks correct but ESP-r threw up a long list of many "Duplicates Surfaces master list" and problems with the "Zone surface master list" etc...?- So, I went in the individual zones and manually re-re-created the all the boundaries "surface in another zone"?connections / contiguities that ESP-r automatically created. This manual intervention has eliminated the list of errors except?for the one listed above.? I can run the simulation without any further apparent errors. Any ideas of how to eliminate this "Found surface attribute... ANOTHER" error? I have looked at the QA report but I do not see anything that would cause this error.? 2) Changing Names for Construction Geometries?- I created a new wall construction of pure concrete called “IntnaWallCav” in the constructions database. I assigned this construction to the walls in my model. For some unknown reason when I now exit the?respective?zone this walls at times change to a?construction called “rete”. There is no item in the construction database called?“rete”.?The thermal properties and construction of?“IntnaWallCav” and?“rete”?are exactly the same. Does ESP-r change the construction name?“IntnaWallCav” to?“rete” because?“IntnaWallCav” is too long? ?Any other ideas?? Regards, Ian Ecole des Mines de Nantes ? _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk (mailto:esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" class="autolink) http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r (http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r" target="_blank" class="autolink) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100722/9ef02a85/attachment.html From roberta.pischetola at libero.it Thu Jul 22 15:06:14 2010 From: roberta.pischetola at libero.it (roberta.pischetola at libero.it) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 16:06:14 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [esp-r] how change use type Message-ID: <27883532.94321279807574449.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Dear ESP-r users, I have a problem with the input of geometry attributes: I can't change the 'use type' of all surfaces. the message of ESP-r is (NA). what's the meaning? can someone help me? Regards Pischetola Roberta From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Jul 22 15:52:18 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:52:18 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: how change use type In-Reply-To: <27883532.94321279807574449.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> References: <27883532.94321279807574449.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413E109542296@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> The surface attribute USE is only applicable to the version 1.1 geometry file and it is only currently used within the context of the UK code compliance tests. Surface USE are good for documentation and they will eventually be used to help in the definition of flow networks. ESP-r will work ok if you leave the surface use at the default (normal surface). If the message says NA then the topic is not available for the version of the geometry. If you want to update the model to include this additional documentation then go into the *preferences menu of the project manager and find the upgrade option. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of roberta.pischetola at libero.it [roberta.pischetola at libero.it] Sent: 22 July 2010 15:06 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] how change use type Dear ESP-r users, I have a problem with the input of geometry attributes: I can't change the 'use type' of all surfaces. the message of ESP-r is (NA). what's the meaning? can someone help me? Regards Pischetola Roberta _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Thu Jul 22 21:18:25 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 22:18:25 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: How to get the node temperature? In-Reply-To: <7dd1a2.a7e.129f288f033.Coremail.seal113@163.com> References: <7dd1a2.a7e.129f288f033.Coremail.seal113@163.com> Message-ID: <3BD45424-082D-49A8-836F-94FC73FD3203@intergga.ch> Hi Niu Ben an alternative to the changing of the save option is activating xml- output. If your model is not too large, this does not increase runtimes unduly and you can output all node temperatures with standard res file in save level 4. Best Achim On Jul 21, 2010, at 3:05 AM, ?? wrote: > I correctly define a PCM model, and it works right.But I have > another question for the result.could anyone help me? > I have defined the PCM in the internal layer of a multi-Layer > wall. If I want to export a graph of the pcm?s internal\middle > \external node temperature. How can I deal with it ? > Result analysis--Graphs--Time:var graph--Temeratures--surf > node T? Does it right? When I put it, it tell me :This selection > only available with a save option 3 result-set. > Best wishes. > Niu > Ben > > > ??????????????? > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413E1095422B0@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> The 7 nodes is correct for the 3 layer MLC. Node one is the outside and node 7 is the inside face. There already is a selection (surface inside face) that gives access to node 7 and there is already a selection (surface outside face) that gives access to node 1. I suppose we could revise the interface to allow two ways of getting the inside face. An there is an animation facility that plots all of the temperatures across a MLC so why not use that? Materials are normally assigned as a layer in a MLC and that would be 3 nodes (one at face of layer, one in centre of layer and one at the other face of the layer). Each of these would be the same material so it is not clear what 'if I put the pcm in the node 5 or 6' question is. Node 6 is the centre of the layer. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ???@ [88004152 at qq.com] Sent: 23 July 2010 15:23 To: esp-r Subject: [esp-r] the node multi-layer construction? Everyone?? In a multi-layer construction, I defined external wall has three layers . In esp-r, there are three nodes per layer. So the external wall has 7 nodes, is it right? But in the esp-r result analysis, the surf node T has only 6 nodes which I can choose. Why? And another question is, what??s the surf outside face T, does it equal to the node 1 temperature? What??s the surf inside face T ,does it equal to the node 7 temperature? If I put the pcm in the node 5 or 6 , what??s different between them? Best wishes. Niu Ben From victorbunster at gmail.com Tue Jul 27 07:32:43 2010 From: victorbunster at gmail.com (victor bunster) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:32:43 +1000 Subject: [esp-r] Perl script Message-ID: Hello, I'm trying to learn how to automate procedures for a simple algorithm, something like this: >DO GEOMETRY > SIMULATE > EVALUATE > CHANGE GEOMETRY >END This loop should go on until certain thermal conditions are achieved. In "ESP-r capabilities" web is stated that the modules can be driven by scripts to automate tasks, but the only information I have found yet is a reference in the Appendix of the Cookbook (17.1 Text mode) which is helpful but very limited. Is there any documentation for the API or how to access the commands? or about running the scripts, or which programming language is used? if not, could anyone show me some guidelines to explore this functionality? Thanks a lot, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of victor bunster [victorbunster at gmail.com] Sent: 27 July 2010 07:32 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Perl script Hello, I'm trying to learn how to automate procedures for a simple algorithm, something like this: >DO GEOMETRY > SIMULATE > EVALUATE > CHANGE GEOMETRY >END This loop should go on until certain thermal conditions are achieved. In "ESP-r capabilities" web is stated that the modules can be driven by scripts to automate tasks, but the only information I have found yet is a reference in the Appendix of the Cookbook (17.1 Text mode) which is helpful but very limited. Is there any documentation for the API or how to access the commands? or about running the scripts, or which programming language is used? if not, could anyone show me some guidelines to explore this functionality? Thanks a lot, From david.garcias at gmail.com Tue Jul 27 10:57:04 2010 From: david.garcias at gmail.com (David Garcia) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 11:57:04 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Perl script In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Normally it should be perl but other users told me that python is more useful, Personaly I used PERL, to start programming, I recommend you to read the book "Learning Perl" from Randal L.Schwartz,(O'reilly). Normally your perl file should look like this: (FOR YOUR CHANGE GEOMETRY SECTION) -------------------------------------------------------------- $file = $ARGV[0]; $largo = $ARGV[1]; $ancho = $ARGV[2]; $alto = $ARGV[3]; $angulo = $ARGV[4]; $base = $largo*$ancho; # Parse the perl sign pound (#) $val = "#"; # open up MYFILE for writing open(MYFILE,">$file"); #or die "Can't open up myfile: $file\n"; if we want the file to be readed! # now this line format will automatically apply to MYFILE format MYFILE = @ TOTAL then put your statement if Total == ValueYouWant Exit for and then voil?! :) Is a little bit rudimentary but I hope this could help you. Regards -- David GARCIA SANCHEZ ------------------------------------------------------------ D?partement Syst?mes ?nerg?tiques Environnement Ecole des Mines de Nantes 4, Rue Alfred Kastler 44300 Nantes France ------------------------------------------------------------ Email: david.garcia-sanchez at emn.fr Tel: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 14 Mobile: +33 (0) 6 78 15 08 09 Fax: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 99 ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100727/7e86eca2/attachment.html From aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk Tue Jul 27 11:40:21 2010 From: aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk (Aizaz Samuel) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 11:40:21 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Perl script In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201007271140.21273.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> Some instances where scripts have been used in the past: 1. ESP-r modelling of domestic heating systems (ADEPT2 available from sesg.strath.ac.uk) has scripts that simulate and list the results into csv files that are readable by spreadsheet macros. 2. Simulation of test models that simulate and write out results in pdf format. These are used for running comparison tests periodically and writing out a nicely formatted report. 3. Running regression testing that involves subversion commands, forcheck, compilation, simulation, results analysis and some other software testing tasks. (Available at https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/trunk/tester/scripts/) The first two use bash and c shell scripts the last one uses perl Regards, -- Dr Aizaz A Samuel Department of Mechanical Engineering University of Strathclyde M324 James Weir Building 75 Montrose Street Glasgow, UK G1 1XJ T:+44 141 548 5765 F:+44 141 552 5105 On Tuesday 27 July 2010 10:57, David Garcia wrote: > Normally it should be perl but other users told me that python is more > useful, > > Personaly I used PERL, to start programming, I recommend you to read the > book "Learning Perl" from Randal L.Schwartz,(O'reilly). > > Normally your perl file should look like this: (FOR YOUR CHANGE GEOMETRY > SECTION) > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > $file = $ARGV[0]; > $largo = $ARGV[1]; > $ancho = $ARGV[2]; > $alto = $ARGV[3]; > $angulo = $ARGV[4]; > $base = $largo*$ancho; > > # Parse the perl sign pound (#) > $val = "#"; > > # open up MYFILE for writing > open(MYFILE,">$file"); > > #or die "Can't open up myfile: $file\n"; if we want the file to be readed! > > # now this line format will automatically apply to MYFILE > format MYFILE = > @ $val > GEN test_zonep test_zonep describes a for testing in perl # type, name, > descr 8 6 @###.### # vertices, surfaces, rotation angle $angulo > @< X co-ord, Y co-ord, Z co-ord > $val > 0.00000 0.00000 0.00000 # vert 1 > @###.##### 0.00000 0.00000 # vert 2 > $largo, > @###.##### @###.##### 0.00000 # vert 3 > $largo, $ancho > 0.00000 @###.##### 0.00000 # vert 4 > $ancho .... CONTINUE > ---------------------------------- > > and you can invoke it in linux by type: > > > ./changegeo.pl ARGV1 ARGV2 ARGV3 > > then for your SIMULATE option check the cookbook for runing espr in text > mode. > > you can so do a for in a bash file, and then take out the value you are > interested with "awk" (a language like perl) using this command: (FOR YOUR > EVALUATE SECTION) > > awk '/Totals/ {print $2 "\n"}' prueba$i.cfg.wc_res.data > TOTAL > > then put your statement > > if Total == ValueYouWant > > Exit for > > and then voil?! :) > > Is a little bit rudimentary but I hope this could help you. > > Regards > > -- > David GARCIA SANCHEZ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > D?partement Syst?mes ?nerg?tiques Environnement > Ecole des Mines de Nantes > 4, Rue Alfred Kastler > 44300 Nantes > France > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Email: david.garcia-sanchez at emn.fr > Tel: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 14 > Mobile: +33 (0) 6 78 15 08 09 > Fax: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 99 > ------------------------------------------------------------ From Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca Tue Jul 27 14:32:42 2010 From: Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca (Ferguson, Alex) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 09:32:42 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Perl script In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You may find using a third-party optimization tool easier, faster and more powerful than cooking up your own optimization scheme. I've had great experiences using both GenOpt (http://simulationresearch.lbl.gov/GO/) and Dakota (http://dakota.sandia.gov/software.html). Both are free, well-documented, run on linux, and have fexible and robust optimization, paramater sensitivity and uncertianty capabilities. Leen Peeters will be presenting a paper describing application of ESP-r with GenOpt at SimBuild 2010. I can send you a preview of the paper, if you like. - Alex Alex Ferguson Housing, Buildings and Communities Group CanmetENERGY Natural Resources Canada P:+1 613 995 3294 F:+1 613 996 9909 Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca ________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of victor bunster Sent: July 27, 2010 02:33 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Perl script Hello, I'm trying to learn how to automate procedures for a simple algorithm, something like this: >DO GEOMETRY > SIMULATE > EVALUATE > CHANGE GEOMETRY >END This loop should go on until certain thermal conditions are achieved. In "ESP-r capabilities" web is stated that the modules can be driven by scripts to automate tasks, but the only information I have found yet is a reference in the Appendix of the Cookbook (17.1 Text mode) which is helpful but very limited. Is there any documentation for the API or how to access the commands? or about running the scripts, or which programming language is used? if not, could anyone show me some guidelines to explore this functionality? Thanks a lot, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100727/9fd37b56/attachment-0001.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Jul 28 08:21:59 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 08:21:59 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Perl script In-Reply-To: References: <201007271140.21273.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk>, Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130139DACA9312@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> There is perhaps a misunderstanding about how scripts drive esp-r modules. ESP-r modules can be invoked in a text-only mode and each of the menus that would normally be seen in the graphic mode are selected by a single character. Essentially, if you can do a task in ESP-r manually what you want to do is to capture the sequence of key strokes you used and embed them in a script. These scripts are not invoking a 'method', they are navigating the interface and driving the interface to do a specific task (which should work as long as the interface does not change). So first become familiar with the ESP-r interface. It is possible to create a model from scratch via commands and it is possible to take an existing model and alter aspects of the model via commands. And before going to all of that trouble it would be useful to consider what the other options are. There is a so-called META file which is a somewhat compact text file that some 3rd party software uses to pass information about building to ESP-r. The ESP-r Developers Guide includes an API for ~hundred subroutines and lots of other information that might be helpful to you. What is unclear is the big picture of what it is you are trying to do and your goals. If you could provide an outline then it might focus the discussion. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: victor bunster [victorbunster at gmail.com] Sent: 28 July 2010 01:34 To: Aizaz Samuel Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; David Garcia; Jon Hand Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: Perl script Thanks for all the feedback, its helping me a lot. I have a couple of more basic questions, I'm not used to ESP-r scripting "environment" (I come from other software with embedded scripting functionality, like ecotect or rhino). I have noticed that many of the scripts use the C:\ shell, but I have a couple of problems to advance in that path. First, I don't know how to run the software's commands, is there any document with the methods or an API guide? for example if I want to create a zone, how do I call that method from inside the shell? The other question regards the possibility to write longer code, for example: create a zone, then 10 windows, assign material, etc... all in one block. I think this should be done in Perl (or Python) but I don't know how to run it and connected to ESP-r methods. Thanks again, Victor On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Aizaz Samuel > wrote: Some instances where scripts have been used in the past: 1. ESP-r modelling of domestic heating systems (ADEPT2 available from sesg.strath.ac.uk) has scripts that simulate and list the results into csv files that are readable by spreadsheet macros. 2. Simulation of test models that simulate and write out results in pdf format. These are used for running comparison tests periodically and writing out a nicely formatted report. 3. Running regression testing that involves subversion commands, forcheck, compilation, simulation, results analysis and some other software testing tasks. (Available at https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/trunk/tester/scripts/) The first two use bash and c shell scripts the last one uses perl Regards, -- Dr Aizaz A Samuel Department of Mechanical Engineering University of Strathclyde M324 James Weir Building 75 Montrose Street Glasgow, UK G1 1XJ T:+44 141 548 5765 F:+44 141 552 5105 On Tuesday 27 July 2010 10:57, David Garcia wrote: > Normally it should be perl but other users told me that python is more > useful, > > Personaly I used PERL, to start programming, I recommend you to read the > book "Learning Perl" from Randal L.Schwartz,(O'reilly). > > Normally your perl file should look like this: (FOR YOUR CHANGE GEOMETRY > SECTION) > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > $file = $ARGV[0]; > $largo = $ARGV[1]; > $ancho = $ARGV[2]; > $alto = $ARGV[3]; > $angulo = $ARGV[4]; > $base = $largo*$ancho; > > # Parse the perl sign pound (#) > $val = "#"; > > # open up MYFILE for writing > open(MYFILE,">$file"); > > #or die "Can't open up myfile: $file\n"; if we want the file to be readed! > > # now this line format will automatically apply to MYFILE > format MYFILE = > @ $val > GEN test_zonep test_zonep describes a for testing in perl # type, name, > descr 8 6 @###.### # vertices, surfaces, rotation angle $angulo > @< X co-ord, Y co-ord, Z co-ord > $val > 0.00000 0.00000 0.00000 # vert 1 > @###.##### 0.00000 0.00000 # vert 2 > $largo, > @###.##### @###.##### 0.00000 # vert 3 > $largo, $ancho > 0.00000 @###.##### 0.00000 # vert 4 > $ancho .... CONTINUE > ---------------------------------- > > and you can invoke it in linux by type: > > > ./changegeo.pl ARGV1 ARGV2 ARGV3 > > then for your SIMULATE option check the cookbook for runing espr in text > mode. > > you can so do a for in a bash file, and then take out the value you are > interested with "awk" (a language like perl) using this command: (FOR YOUR > EVALUATE SECTION) > > awk '/Totals/ {print $2 "\n"}' prueba$i.cfg.wc_res.data > TOTAL > > then put your statement > > if Total == ValueYouWant > > Exit for > > and then voil?! :) > > Is a little bit rudimentary but I hope this could help you. > > Regards > > -- > David GARCIA SANCHEZ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > D?partement Syst?mes ?nerg?tiques Environnement > Ecole des Mines de Nantes > 4, Rue Alfred Kastler > 44300 Nantes > France > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Email: david.garcia-sanchez at emn.fr> > Tel: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 14 > Mobile: +33 (0) 6 78 15 08 09 > Fax: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 99 > ------------------------------------------------------------ From victorbunster at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 01:34:59 2010 From: victorbunster at gmail.com (victor bunster) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:34:59 +1000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Perl script In-Reply-To: <201007271140.21273.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> References: <201007271140.21273.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: Thanks for all the feedback, its helping me a lot. I have a couple of more basic questions, I'm not used to ESP-r scripting "environment" (I come from other software with embedded scripting functionality, like ecotect or rhino). I have noticed that many of the scripts use the C:\ shell, but I have a couple of problems to advance in that path. First, I don't know how to run the software's commands, is there any document with the methods or an API guide? for example if I want to create a zone, how do I call that method from inside the shell? The other question regards the possibility to write longer code, for example: create a zone, then 10 windows, assign material, etc... all in one block. I think this should be done in Perl (or Python) but I don't know how to run it and connected to ESP-r methods. Thanks again, Victor On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Aizaz Samuel wrote: > Some instances where scripts have been used in the past: > 1. ESP-r modelling of domestic heating systems (ADEPT2 available from > sesg.strath.ac.uk) has scripts that simulate and list the results into csv > files that are readable by spreadsheet macros. > 2. Simulation of test models that simulate and write out results in pdf > format. These are used for running comparison tests periodically and > writing > out a nicely formatted report. > 3. Running regression testing that involves subversion commands, forcheck, > compilation, simulation, results analysis and some other software testing > tasks. (Available at > https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/trunk/tester/scripts/) > > The first two use bash and c shell scripts the last one uses perl > > Regards, > -- > Dr Aizaz A Samuel > Department of Mechanical Engineering > University of Strathclyde > M324 James Weir Building > 75 Montrose Street > Glasgow, UK > G1 1XJ > > T:+44 141 548 5765 > F:+44 141 552 5105 > > > On Tuesday 27 July 2010 10:57, David Garcia wrote: > > Normally it should be perl but other users told me that python is more > > useful, > > > > Personaly I used PERL, to start programming, I recommend you to read the > > book "Learning Perl" from Randal L.Schwartz,(O'reilly). > > > > Normally your perl file should look like this: (FOR YOUR CHANGE GEOMETRY > > SECTION) > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > $file = $ARGV[0]; > > $largo = $ARGV[1]; > > $ancho = $ARGV[2]; > > $alto = $ARGV[3]; > > $angulo = $ARGV[4]; > > $base = $largo*$ancho; > > > > # Parse the perl sign pound (#) > > $val = "#"; > > > > # open up MYFILE for writing > > open(MYFILE,">$file"); > > > > #or die "Can't open up myfile: $file\n"; if we want the file to be > readed! > > > > # now this line format will automatically apply to MYFILE > > format MYFILE = > > @ > $val > > GEN test_zonep test_zonep describes a for testing in perl # type, > name, > > descr 8 6 @###.### # vertices, surfaces, rotation angle > $angulo > > @< X co-ord, Y co-ord, Z co-ord > > $val > > 0.00000 0.00000 0.00000 # vert 1 > > @###.##### 0.00000 0.00000 # vert 2 > > $largo, > > @###.##### @###.##### 0.00000 # vert 3 > > $largo, $ancho > > 0.00000 @###.##### 0.00000 # vert 4 > > $ancho .... CONTINUE > > ---------------------------------- > > > > and you can invoke it in linux by type: > > > > > > ./changegeo.pl ARGV1 ARGV2 ARGV3 > > > > then for your SIMULATE option check the cookbook for runing espr in text > > mode. > > > > you can so do a for in a bash file, and then take out the value you are > > interested with "awk" (a language like perl) using this command: (FOR > YOUR > > EVALUATE SECTION) > > > > awk '/Totals/ {print $2 "\n"}' prueba$i.cfg.wc_res.data > TOTAL > > > > then put your statement > > > > if Total == ValueYouWant > > > > Exit for > > > > and then voil?! :) > > > > Is a little bit rudimentary but I hope this could help you. > > > > Regards > > > > -- > > David GARCIA SANCHEZ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > D?partement Syst?mes ?nerg?tiques Environnement > > Ecole des Mines de Nantes > > 4, Rue Alfred Kastler > > 44300 Nantes > > France > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Email: david.garcia-sanchez at emn.fr > > Tel: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 14 > > Mobile: +33 (0) 6 78 15 08 09 > > Fax: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 99 > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100728/f10fab07/attachment-0001.html From victorbunster at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 01:52:07 2010 From: victorbunster at gmail.com (victor bunster) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:52:07 +1000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Perl script In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Alex, Actually I come form some experimentation in GenOpt, so it would be great if you can send me a preview of the paper... maybe is the solution for what I'm trying to do, I've left it because I thought that ESP-r should be a simpler way. Victor On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Ferguson, Alex < Alex.Ferguson at nrcan-rncan.gc.ca> wrote: > You may find using a third-party optimization tool easier, faster and > more powerful than cooking up your own optimization scheme. I've had great > experiences using both GenOpt (http://simulationresearch.lbl.gov/GO/) and > Dakota (http://dakota.sandia.gov/software.html). Both are free, > well-documented, run on linux, and have fexible and robust optimization, > paramater sensitivity and uncertianty capabilities. > > Leen Peeters will be presenting a paper describing application of ESP-r > with GenOpt at SimBuild 2010. I can send you a preview of the paper, if you > like. > > - Alex > ** > *Alex Ferguson* > Housing, Buildings and Communities Group > CanmetENERGY > Natural Resources Canada > P:+1 613 995 3294 > F:+1 613 996 9909 > Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca > > ------------------------------ > *From:* esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto: > esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *victor bunster > *Sent:* July 27, 2010 02:33 > > *To:* esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > *Subject:* [esp-r] Perl script > > Hello, > I'm trying to learn how to automate procedures for a simple algorithm, > something like this: > >DO GEOMETRY > > SIMULATE > > EVALUATE > > CHANGE GEOMETRY > >END > This loop should go on until certain thermal conditions are achieved. In > "ESP-r capabilities" web is stated that the modules can be driven by scripts > to automate tasks, but the only information I have found yet is a reference > in the Appendix of the Cookbook (17.1 Text mode) which is helpful but very > limited. > > Is there any documentation for the API or how to access the commands? or > about running the scripts, or which programming language is used? if not, > could anyone show me some guidelines to explore this functionality? > > Thanks a lot, > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100728/a3bd4c0d/attachment-0001.html From david.garcias at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 11:00:51 2010 From: david.garcias at gmail.com (David Garcia) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:00:51 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Vertices problem in ESP-r - new version for Windows. Message-ID: Hi all! I'm trying to make a new building with certain complexity in ESP-r (the new version, in windows xp). unfortunately when I try to change certain geometry attributions (create a new wall from existing vertices) the software crash (look like a memory fault caused by ESP-r) I was trying so to make two simple rectangles and create new surfaces from existing vertices (by deleting and trying to recreate the same surfaces) with the same crash result, so is not a problem for the complexity but from the software I see, somebody could help me to avoid this problem? maybe one from the developers team of ESP-r could fixed it? is really more easy for some complexity surfaces create first the vertex and then just associated them to create a new surface. Regards, David Garcia -- David GARCIA SANCHEZ ------------------------------------------------------------ D?partement Syst?mes ?nerg?tiques Environnement Ecole des Mines de Nantes 4, Rue Alfred Kastler 44300 Nantes France ------------------------------------------------------------ Email: david.garcia-sanchez at emn.fr Tel: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 14 Mobile: +33 (0) 6 78 15 08 09 Fax: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 99 ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100728/08577712/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Jul 28 11:15:57 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:15:57 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Vertices problem in ESP-r - new version for Windows. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130139DACA9318@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Another person reported an issue a few days ago and yesterday we found a bug in the interface widget that allows you to type in the vertex numbers and patched it. This patch will eventually work its way into the standard version of ESP-r. The problem also shows up in the GTK version on Linux. In the interim those who really really need this facility should contact me and I will try to create a new installer for XP that includes the fix. Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David Garcia [david.garcias at gmail.com] Sent: 28 July 2010 11:00 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Cc: Ian McCall Subject: [esp-r] Vertices problem in ESP-r - new version for Windows. Hi all! I'm trying to make a new building with certain complexity in ESP-r (the new version, in windows xp). unfortunately when I try to change certain geometry attributions (create a new wall from existing vertices) the software crash (look like a memory fault caused by ESP-r) I was trying so to make two simple rectangles and create new surfaces from existing vertices (by deleting and trying to recreate the same surfaces) with the same crash result, so is not a problem for the complexity but from the software I see, somebody could help me to avoid this problem? maybe one from the developers team of ESP-r could fixed it? is really more easy for some complexity surfaces create first the vertex and then just associated them to create a new surface. Regards, David Garcia -- David GARCIA SANCHEZ ------------------------------------------------------------ D?partement Syst?mes ?nerg?tiques Environnement Ecole des Mines de Nantes 4, Rue Alfred Kastler 44300 Nantes France ------------------------------------------------------------ Email: david.garcia-sanchez at emn.fr Tel: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 14 Mobile: +33 (0) 6 78 15 08 09 Fax: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 99 ------------------------------------------------------------ From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Jul 28 12:15:20 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:15:20 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Perl script In-Reply-To: References: <201007271140.21273.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130139DACA9312@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk>, Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130139DACA9319@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Given the description below it would probably make more sense to create the base case model using the standard interface (graphic) facilities of ESP-r and prove that that initial model works and that the predictions are ok. Then (recording each step) the keystrokes needed to navigate the interface to the required zone and then edit the vertex X Y Z values associated with the window and save and exit (this would be one script). Another script can be used to invoke a standard simulation and another script can be invoked to extract specific performance data. The invoke standard simulation and extract results scripts could be based on the TEST SIMULATE.wc ANALYSE scripts that are found in the validation/benchmark/QA/model_1.1/cfg folder. To get a feel for this go into that folder and type in the command ./TEST and watch what it does. One invokes scripts from a standard graphic terminal. Scripts would, of course, have to be given execute attributes via an operating system chmod command. ________________________________________ From: victor bunster [victorbunster at gmail.com] Sent: 28 July 2010 11:21 To: Jon Hand Cc: Aizaz Samuel; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; David Garcia Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: Perl script Thanks Jon, now I'm more clear, I think working with the text mode and calling the menus with their characters should be more than enough. But specifically, how do you call that commands with Perl (or the C shell)? could you give me a short example? For example, how write and run a script that draws a thermal zone and place a goup of windows with a for loop. I'm working in something like this: -create one 10x10x10m zone, -place one 1x1m window, -simulate and read the thermal data, -move the window 1m in a random direction -simulate, and if better maintaind or else go back. The idea is to automatize this algorithmic process in order to increase its complexity later, but I'm stuck at the basics. I'll take a look to the developers API, I'm looking for a software flexible enough to code some small procedures combining geometric changes & simulation/evaluation and ESP-r looks perfect. Regards Victor On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 4:21 AM, Jon Hand > wrote: There is perhaps a misunderstanding about how scripts drive esp-r modules. ESP-r modules can be invoked in a text-only mode and each of the menus that would normally be seen in the graphic mode are selected by a single character. Essentially, if you can do a task in ESP-r manually what you want to do is to capture the sequence of key strokes you used and embed them in a script. These scripts are not invoking a 'method', they are navigating the interface and driving the interface to do a specific task (which should work as long as the interface does not change). So first become familiar with the ESP-r interface. It is possible to create a model from scratch via commands and it is possible to take an existing model and alter aspects of the model via commands. And before going to all of that trouble it would be useful to consider what the other options are. There is a so-called META file which is a somewhat compact text file that some 3rd party software uses to pass information about building to ESP-r. The ESP-r Developers Guide includes an API for ~hundred subroutines and lots of other information that might be helpful to you. What is unclear is the big picture of what it is you are trying to do and your goals. If you could provide an outline then it might focus the discussion. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: victor bunster [victorbunster at gmail.com] Sent: 28 July 2010 01:34 To: Aizaz Samuel Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; David Garcia; Jon Hand Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: Perl script Thanks for all the feedback, its helping me a lot. I have a couple of more basic questions, I'm not used to ESP-r scripting "environment" (I come from other software with embedded scripting functionality, like ecotect or rhino). I have noticed that many of the scripts use the C:\ shell, but I have a couple of problems to advance in that path. First, I don't know how to run the software's commands, is there any document with the methods or an API guide? for example if I want to create a zone, how do I call that method from inside the shell? The other question regards the possibility to write longer code, for example: create a zone, then 10 windows, assign material, etc... all in one block. I think this should be done in Perl (or Python) but I don't know how to run it and connected to ESP-r methods. Thanks again, Victor On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Aizaz Samuel >> wrote: Some instances where scripts have been used in the past: 1. ESP-r modelling of domestic heating systems (ADEPT2 available from sesg.strath.ac.uk) has scripts that simulate and list the results into csv files that are readable by spreadsheet macros. 2. Simulation of test models that simulate and write out results in pdf format. These are used for running comparison tests periodically and writing out a nicely formatted report. 3. Running regression testing that involves subversion commands, forcheck, compilation, simulation, results analysis and some other software testing tasks. (Available at https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/trunk/tester/scripts/) The first two use bash and c shell scripts the last one uses perl Regards, -- Dr Aizaz A Samuel Department of Mechanical Engineering University of Strathclyde M324 James Weir Building 75 Montrose Street Glasgow, UK G1 1XJ T:+44 141 548 5765 F:+44 141 552 5105 On Tuesday 27 July 2010 10:57, David Garcia wrote: > Normally it should be perl but other users told me that python is more > useful, > > Personaly I used PERL, to start programming, I recommend you to read the > book "Learning Perl" from Randal L.Schwartz,(O'reilly). > > Normally your perl file should look like this: (FOR YOUR CHANGE GEOMETRY > SECTION) > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > $file = $ARGV[0]; > $largo = $ARGV[1]; > $ancho = $ARGV[2]; > $alto = $ARGV[3]; > $angulo = $ARGV[4]; > $base = $largo*$ancho; > > # Parse the perl sign pound (#) > $val = "#"; > > # open up MYFILE for writing > open(MYFILE,">$file"); > > #or die "Can't open up myfile: $file\n"; if we want the file to be readed! > > # now this line format will automatically apply to MYFILE > format MYFILE = > @ $val > GEN test_zonep test_zonep describes a for testing in perl # type, name, > descr 8 6 @###.### # vertices, surfaces, rotation angle $angulo > @< X co-ord, Y co-ord, Z co-ord > $val > 0.00000 0.00000 0.00000 # vert 1 > @###.##### 0.00000 0.00000 # vert 2 > $largo, > @###.##### @###.##### 0.00000 # vert 3 > $largo, $ancho > 0.00000 @###.##### 0.00000 # vert 4 > $ancho .... CONTINUE > ---------------------------------- > > and you can invoke it in linux by type: > > > ./changegeo.pl ARGV1 ARGV2 ARGV3 > > then for your SIMULATE option check the cookbook for runing espr in text > mode. > > you can so do a for in a bash file, and then take out the value you are > interested with "awk" (a language like perl) using this command: (FOR YOUR > EVALUATE SECTION) > > awk '/Totals/ {print $2 "\n"}' prueba$i.cfg.wc_res.data > TOTAL > > then put your statement > > if Total == ValueYouWant > > Exit for > > and then voil?! :) > > Is a little bit rudimentary but I hope this could help you. > > Regards > > -- > David GARCIA SANCHEZ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > D?partement Syst?mes ?nerg?tiques Environnement > Ecole des Mines de Nantes > 4, Rue Alfred Kastler > 44300 Nantes > France > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Email: david.garcia-sanchez at emn.fr>>> > Tel: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 14 > Mobile: +33 (0) 6 78 15 08 09 > Fax: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 99 > ------------------------------------------------------------ From aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk Wed Jul 28 12:57:06 2010 From: aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk (Aizaz Samuel) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:57:06 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Perl script In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130139DACA9319@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <201007271140.21273.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130139DACA9312@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk>, , <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130139DACA9319@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: My preference for changing geometry would be to alter coordinates in the geometry file directly using sed. This in my opinion is simpler than going through the interface or a script. Also simulation results could be outputted in xml format and interrogated using a style sheet. This method is more robust than scripts because an interface change makes the script out of date. Regards, Aizaz ________________________________________ From: Jon Hand Sent: 28 July 2010 12:15 To: victor bunster Cc: Aizaz Samuel; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; David Garcia Subject: RE: [esp-r] Re: Perl script Given the description below it would probably make more sense to create the base case model using the standard interface (graphic) facilities of ESP-r and prove that that initial model works and that the predictions are ok. Then (recording each step) the keystrokes needed to navigate the interface to the required zone and then edit the vertex X Y Z values associated with the window and save and exit (this would be one script). Another script can be used to invoke a standard simulation and another script can be invoked to extract specific performance data. The invoke standard simulation and extract results scripts could be based on the TEST SIMULATE.wc ANALYSE scripts that are found in the validation/benchmark/QA/model_1.1/cfg folder. To get a feel for this go into that folder and type in the command ./TEST and watch what it does. One invokes scripts from a standard graphic terminal. Scripts would, of course, have to be given execute attributes via an operating system chmod command. ________________________________________ From: victor bunster [victorbunster at gmail.com] Sent: 28 July 2010 11:21 To: Jon Hand Cc: Aizaz Samuel; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; David Garcia Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: Perl script Thanks Jon, now I'm more clear, I think working with the text mode and calling the menus with their characters should be more than enough. But specifically, how do you call that commands with Perl (or the C shell)? could you give me a short example? For example, how write and run a script that draws a thermal zone and place a goup of windows with a for loop. I'm working in something like this: -create one 10x10x10m zone, -place one 1x1m window, -simulate and read the thermal data, -move the window 1m in a random direction -simulate, and if better maintaind or else go back. The idea is to automatize this algorithmic process in order to increase its complexity later, but I'm stuck at the basics. I'll take a look to the developers API, I'm looking for a software flexible enough to code some small procedures combining geometric changes & simulation/evaluation and ESP-r looks perfect. Regards Victor On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 4:21 AM, Jon Hand > wrote: There is perhaps a misunderstanding about how scripts drive esp-r modules. ESP-r modules can be invoked in a text-only mode and each of the menus that would normally be seen in the graphic mode are selected by a single character. Essentially, if you can do a task in ESP-r manually what you want to do is to capture the sequence of key strokes you used and embed them in a script. These scripts are not invoking a 'method', they are navigating the interface and driving the interface to do a specific task (which should work as long as the interface does not change). So first become familiar with the ESP-r interface. It is possible to create a model from scratch via commands and it is possible to take an existing model and alter aspects of the model via commands. And before going to all of that trouble it would be useful to consider what the other options are. There is a so-called META file which is a somewhat compact text file that some 3rd party software uses to pass information about building to ESP-r. The ESP-r Developers Guide includes an API for ~hundred subroutines and lots of other information that might be helpful to you. What is unclear is the big picture of what it is you are trying to do and your goals. If you could provide an outline then it might focus the discussion. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: victor bunster [victorbunster at gmail.com] Sent: 28 July 2010 01:34 To: Aizaz Samuel Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; David Garcia; Jon Hand Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: Perl script Thanks for all the feedback, its helping me a lot. I have a couple of more basic questions, I'm not used to ESP-r scripting "environment" (I come from other software with embedded scripting functionality, like ecotect or rhino). I have noticed that many of the scripts use the C:\ shell, but I have a couple of problems to advance in that path. First, I don't know how to run the software's commands, is there any document with the methods or an API guide? for example if I want to create a zone, how do I call that method from inside the shell? The other question regards the possibility to write longer code, for example: create a zone, then 10 windows, assign material, etc... all in one block. I think this should be done in Perl (or Python) but I don't know how to run it and connected to ESP-r methods. Thanks again, Victor On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Aizaz Samuel >> wrote: Some instances where scripts have been used in the past: 1. ESP-r modelling of domestic heating systems (ADEPT2 available from sesg.strath.ac.uk) has scripts that simulate and list the results into csv files that are readable by spreadsheet macros. 2. Simulation of test models that simulate and write out results in pdf format. These are used for running comparison tests periodically and writing out a nicely formatted report. 3. Running regression testing that involves subversion commands, forcheck, compilation, simulation, results analysis and some other software testing tasks. (Available at https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/trunk/tester/scripts/) The first two use bash and c shell scripts the last one uses perl Regards, -- Dr Aizaz A Samuel Department of Mechanical Engineering University of Strathclyde M324 James Weir Building 75 Montrose Street Glasgow, UK G1 1XJ T:+44 141 548 5765 F:+44 141 552 5105 On Tuesday 27 July 2010 10:57, David Garcia wrote: > Normally it should be perl but other users told me that python is more > useful, > > Personaly I used PERL, to start programming, I recommend you to read the > book "Learning Perl" from Randal L.Schwartz,(O'reilly). > > Normally your perl file should look like this: (FOR YOUR CHANGE GEOMETRY > SECTION) > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > $file = $ARGV[0]; > $largo = $ARGV[1]; > $ancho = $ARGV[2]; > $alto = $ARGV[3]; > $angulo = $ARGV[4]; > $base = $largo*$ancho; > > # Parse the perl sign pound (#) > $val = "#"; > > # open up MYFILE for writing > open(MYFILE,">$file"); > > #or die "Can't open up myfile: $file\n"; if we want the file to be readed! > > # now this line format will automatically apply to MYFILE > format MYFILE = > @ $val > GEN test_zonep test_zonep describes a for testing in perl # type, name, > descr 8 6 @###.### # vertices, surfaces, rotation angle $angulo > @< X co-ord, Y co-ord, Z co-ord > $val > 0.00000 0.00000 0.00000 # vert 1 > @###.##### 0.00000 0.00000 # vert 2 > $largo, > @###.##### @###.##### 0.00000 # vert 3 > $largo, $ancho > 0.00000 @###.##### 0.00000 # vert 4 > $ancho .... CONTINUE > ---------------------------------- > > and you can invoke it in linux by type: > > > ./changegeo.pl ARGV1 ARGV2 ARGV3 > > then for your SIMULATE option check the cookbook for runing espr in text > mode. > > you can so do a for in a bash file, and then take out the value you are > interested with "awk" (a language like perl) using this command: (FOR YOUR > EVALUATE SECTION) > > awk '/Totals/ {print $2 "\n"}' prueba$i.cfg.wc_res.data > TOTAL > > then put your statement > > if Total == ValueYouWant > > Exit for > > and then voil?! :) > > Is a little bit rudimentary but I hope this could help you. > > Regards > > -- > David GARCIA SANCHEZ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > D?partement Syst?mes ?nerg?tiques Environnement > Ecole des Mines de Nantes > 4, Rue Alfred Kastler > 44300 Nantes > France > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Email: david.garcia-sanchez at emn.fr>>> > Tel: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 14 > Mobile: +33 (0) 6 78 15 08 09 > Fax: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 99 > ------------------------------------------------------------ From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Jul 28 16:45:30 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:45:30 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Perl script In-Reply-To: References: <201007271140.21273.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130139DACA9312@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130139DACA9319@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> , Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130139DACA931E@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Ok, lets jump back here. XP does not, by default include the csh or bash shell that TEST is expecting. You get the kind of shells used by TEST on Linux or OSX or Unix or in the Cygwin emulator on XP boxes. You might also get a minimal shell as part of the MSYS environment which can be loaded onto an XP box. We use MSYS as part of our compile environment on Native Windows machines but I have not tried to run the TEST script with it. Also assuming that you can get a command shell you are going to have to be running the text version of ESP-r which is found in the bin_text folder of the XP ESP-r distribution. I think we were all assuming that you were working on a Linux box or similar because the scripting capabilities of XP is rather minimal. There is more information about MSYS if you look in the documentation about setting up a Native Windows machine for ESP-r development. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: victor bunster [victorbunster at gmail.com] Sent: 28 July 2010 13:44 To: Jon Hand Cc: Aizaz Samuel; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; David Garcia Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: Perl script A newbie question (first time working with the shell), I still can't run the TEST file. I'm on the C:/ terminal in windows XP I put cd C:\Esru\esp-r\validation\benchmark\QA\model_1.1\cfg and I get into the folder. Then ./TEST but it says "... is not recognized as internal or external command" If I change the file extention it opens in other software (e.g. .txt in the notepad), but not in ESP-r On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Aizaz Samuel > wrote: My preference for changing geometry would be to alter coordinates in the geometry file directly using sed. This in my opinion is simpler than going through the interface or a script. Also simulation results could be outputted in xml format and interrogated using a style sheet. This method is more robust than scripts because an interface change makes the script out of date. Regards, Aizaz ________________________________________ From: Jon Hand Sent: 28 July 2010 12:15 To: victor bunster Cc: Aizaz Samuel; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; David Garcia Subject: RE: [esp-r] Re: Perl script Given the description below it would probably make more sense to create the base case model using the standard interface (graphic) facilities of ESP-r and prove that that initial model works and that the predictions are ok. Then (recording each step) the keystrokes needed to navigate the interface to the required zone and then edit the vertex X Y Z values associated with the window and save and exit (this would be one script). Another script can be used to invoke a standard simulation and another script can be invoked to extract specific performance data. The invoke standard simulation and extract results scripts could be based on the TEST SIMULATE.wc ANALYSE scripts that are found in the validation/benchmark/QA/model_1.1/cfg folder. To get a feel for this go into that folder and type in the command ./TEST and watch what it does. One invokes scripts from a standard graphic terminal. Scripts would, of course, have to be given execute attributes via an operating system chmod command. ________________________________________ From: victor bunster [victorbunster at gmail.com] Sent: 28 July 2010 11:21 To: Jon Hand Cc: Aizaz Samuel; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; David Garcia Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: Perl script Thanks Jon, now I'm more clear, I think working with the text mode and calling the menus with their characters should be more than enough. But specifically, how do you call that commands with Perl (or the C shell)? could you give me a short example? For example, how write and run a script that draws a thermal zone and place a goup of windows with a for loop. I'm working in something like this: -create one 10x10x10m zone, -place one 1x1m window, -simulate and read the thermal data, -move the window 1m in a random direction -simulate, and if better maintaind or else go back. The idea is to automatize this algorithmic process in order to increase its complexity later, but I'm stuck at the basics. I'll take a look to the developers API, I'm looking for a software flexible enough to code some small procedures combining geometric changes & simulation/evaluation and ESP-r looks perfect. Regards Victor On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 4:21 AM, Jon Hand >> wrote: There is perhaps a misunderstanding about how scripts drive esp-r modules. ESP-r modules can be invoked in a text-only mode and each of the menus that would normally be seen in the graphic mode are selected by a single character. Essentially, if you can do a task in ESP-r manually what you want to do is to capture the sequence of key strokes you used and embed them in a script. These scripts are not invoking a 'method', they are navigating the interface and driving the interface to do a specific task (which should work as long as the interface does not change). So first become familiar with the ESP-r interface. It is possible to create a model from scratch via commands and it is possible to take an existing model and alter aspects of the model via commands. And before going to all of that trouble it would be useful to consider what the other options are. There is a so-called META file which is a somewhat compact text file that some 3rd party software uses to pass information about building to ESP-r. The ESP-r Developers Guide includes an API for ~hundred subroutines and lots of other information that might be helpful to you. What is unclear is the big picture of what it is you are trying to do and your goals. If you could provide an outline then it might focus the discussion. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: victor bunster [victorbunster at gmail.com>] Sent: 28 July 2010 01:34 To: Aizaz Samuel Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk>; David Garcia; Jon Hand Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: Perl script Thanks for all the feedback, its helping me a lot. I have a couple of more basic questions, I'm not used to ESP-r scripting "environment" (I come from other software with embedded scripting functionality, like ecotect or rhino). I have noticed that many of the scripts use the C:\ shell, but I have a couple of problems to advance in that path. First, I don't know how to run the software's commands, is there any document with the methods or an API guide? for example if I want to create a zone, how do I call that method from inside the shell? The other question regards the possibility to write longer code, for example: create a zone, then 10 windows, assign material, etc... all in one block. I think this should be done in Perl (or Python) but I don't know how to run it and connected to ESP-r methods. Thanks again, Victor On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Aizaz Samuel >>>> wrote: Some instances where scripts have been used in the past: 1. ESP-r modelling of domestic heating systems (ADEPT2 available from sesg.strath.ac.uk) has scripts that simulate and list the results into csv files that are readable by spreadsheet macros. 2. Simulation of test models that simulate and write out results in pdf format. These are used for running comparison tests periodically and writing out a nicely formatted report. 3. Running regression testing that involves subversion commands, forcheck, compilation, simulation, results analysis and some other software testing tasks. (Available at https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/trunk/tester/scripts/) The first two use bash and c shell scripts the last one uses perl Regards, -- Dr Aizaz A Samuel Department of Mechanical Engineering University of Strathclyde M324 James Weir Building 75 Montrose Street Glasgow, UK G1 1XJ T:+44 141 548 5765 F:+44 141 552 5105 On Tuesday 27 July 2010 10:57, David Garcia wrote: > Normally it should be perl but other users told me that python is more > useful, > > Personaly I used PERL, to start programming, I recommend you to read the > book "Learning Perl" from Randal L.Schwartz,(O'reilly). > > Normally your perl file should look like this: (FOR YOUR CHANGE GEOMETRY > SECTION) > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > $file = $ARGV[0]; > $largo = $ARGV[1]; > $ancho = $ARGV[2]; > $alto = $ARGV[3]; > $angulo = $ARGV[4]; > $base = $largo*$ancho; > > # Parse the perl sign pound (#) > $val = "#"; > > # open up MYFILE for writing > open(MYFILE,">$file"); > > #or die "Can't open up myfile: $file\n"; if we want the file to be readed! > > # now this line format will automatically apply to MYFILE > format MYFILE = > @ $val > GEN test_zonep test_zonep describes a for testing in perl # type, name, > descr 8 6 @###.### # vertices, surfaces, rotation angle $angulo > @< X co-ord, Y co-ord, Z co-ord > $val > 0.00000 0.00000 0.00000 # vert 1 > @###.##### 0.00000 0.00000 # vert 2 > $largo, > @###.##### @###.##### 0.00000 # vert 3 > $largo, $ancho > 0.00000 @###.##### 0.00000 # vert 4 > $ancho .... CONTINUE > ---------------------------------- > > and you can invoke it in linux by type: > > > ./changegeo.pl ARGV1 ARGV2 ARGV3 > > then for your SIMULATE option check the cookbook for runing espr in text > mode. > > you can so do a for in a bash file, and then take out the value you are > interested with "awk" (a language like perl) using this command: (FOR YOUR > EVALUATE SECTION) > > awk '/Totals/ {print $2 "\n"}' prueba$i.cfg.wc_res.data > TOTAL > > then put your statement > > if Total == ValueYouWant > > Exit for > > and then voil?! :) > > Is a little bit rudimentary but I hope this could help you. > > Regards > > -- > David GARCIA SANCHEZ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > D?partement Syst?mes ?nerg?tiques Environnement > Ecole des Mines de Nantes > 4, Rue Alfred Kastler > 44300 Nantes > France > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Email: david.garcia-sanchez at emn.fr>>>>>>> > Tel: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 14 > Mobile: +33 (0) 6 78 15 08 09 > Fax: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 99 > ------------------------------------------------------------ From victorbunster at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 11:21:34 2010 From: victorbunster at gmail.com (victor bunster) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 07:21:34 -0300 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Perl script In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130139DACA9312@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <201007271140.21273.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130139DACA9312@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: Thanks Jon, now I'm more clear, I think working with the text mode and calling the menus with their characters should be more than enough. But specifically, how do you call that commands with Perl (or the C shell)? could you give me a short example? For example, how write and run a script that draws a thermal zone and place a goup of windows with a for loop. I'm working in something like this: -create one 10x10x10m zone, -place one 1x1m window, -simulate and read the thermal data, -move the window 1m in a random direction -simulate, and if better maintaind or else go back. The idea is to automatize this algorithmic process in order to increase its complexity later, but I'm stuck at the basics. I'll take a look to the developers API, I'm looking for a software flexible enough to code some small procedures combining geometric changes & simulation/evaluation and ESP-r looks perfect. Regards Victor On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 4:21 AM, Jon Hand wrote: > > There is perhaps a misunderstanding about how scripts drive esp-r modules. > > ESP-r modules can be invoked in a text-only mode and each of the menus that > would normally be seen in the graphic mode are selected by a single > character. > Essentially, if you can do a task in ESP-r manually what you want to do is > to capture the sequence of key strokes you used and embed them in a script. > > These scripts are not invoking a 'method', they are navigating the > interface and > driving the interface to do a specific task (which should work as long as > the interface > does not change). > > So first become familiar with the ESP-r interface. It is possible to > create a model > from scratch via commands and it is possible to take an existing model and > alter aspects of the model via commands. And before going to all of that > trouble > it would be useful to consider what the other options are. > > There is a so-called META file which is a somewhat compact text file that > some 3rd party > software uses to pass information about building to ESP-r. > > The ESP-r Developers Guide includes an API for ~hundred subroutines and > lots of > other information that might be helpful to you. > > What is unclear is the big picture of what it is you are trying to do and > your goals. > If you could provide an outline then it might focus the discussion. > > -Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: victor bunster [victorbunster at gmail.com] > Sent: 28 July 2010 01:34 > To: Aizaz Samuel > Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; David Garcia; Jon Hand > Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: Perl script > > Thanks for all the feedback, its helping me a lot. > > I have a couple of more basic questions, I'm not used to ESP-r scripting > "environment" (I come from other software with embedded scripting > functionality, like ecotect or rhino). I have noticed that many of the > scripts use the C:\ shell, but I have a couple of problems to advance in > that path. > First, I don't know how to run the software's commands, is there any > document with the methods or an API guide? for example if I want to create a > zone, how do I call that method from inside the shell? > The other question regards the possibility to write longer code, for > example: create a zone, then 10 windows, assign material, etc... all in one > block. I think this should be done in Perl (or Python) but I don't know how > to run it and connected to ESP-r methods. > > Thanks again, > > Victor > > > > On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Aizaz Samuel > wrote: > Some instances where scripts have been used in the past: > 1. ESP-r modelling of domestic heating systems (ADEPT2 available from > sesg.strath.ac.uk) has scripts that simulate and > list the results into csv > files that are readable by spreadsheet macros. > 2. Simulation of test models that simulate and write out results in pdf > format. These are used for running comparison tests periodically and > writing > out a nicely formatted report. > 3. Running regression testing that involves subversion commands, forcheck, > compilation, simulation, results analysis and some other software testing > tasks. (Available at > https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/trunk/tester/scripts/) > > The first two use bash and c shell scripts the last one uses perl > > Regards, > -- > Dr Aizaz A Samuel > Department of Mechanical Engineering > University of Strathclyde > M324 James Weir Building > 75 Montrose Street > Glasgow, UK > G1 1XJ > > T:+44 141 548 5765 > F:+44 141 552 5105 > > > On Tuesday 27 July 2010 10:57, David Garcia wrote: > > Normally it should be perl but other users told me that python is more > > useful, > > > > Personaly I used PERL, to start programming, I recommend you to read the > > book "Learning Perl" from Randal L.Schwartz,(O'reilly). > > > > Normally your perl file should look like this: (FOR YOUR CHANGE GEOMETRY > > SECTION) > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > $file = $ARGV[0]; > > $largo = $ARGV[1]; > > $ancho = $ARGV[2]; > > $alto = $ARGV[3]; > > $angulo = $ARGV[4]; > > $base = $largo*$ancho; > > > > # Parse the perl sign pound (#) > > $val = "#"; > > > > # open up MYFILE for writing > > open(MYFILE,">$file"); > > > > #or die "Can't open up myfile: $file\n"; if we want the file to be > readed! > > > > # now this line format will automatically apply to MYFILE > > format MYFILE = > > @ > $val > > GEN test_zonep test_zonep describes a for testing in perl # type, > name, > > descr 8 6 @###.### # vertices, surfaces, rotation angle > $angulo > > @< X co-ord, Y co-ord, Z co-ord > > $val > > 0.00000 0.00000 0.00000 # vert 1 > > @###.##### 0.00000 0.00000 # vert 2 > > $largo, > > @###.##### @###.##### 0.00000 # vert 3 > > $largo, $ancho > > 0.00000 @###.##### 0.00000 # vert 4 > > $ancho .... CONTINUE > > ---------------------------------- > > > > and you can invoke it in linux by type: > > > > > > ./changegeo.pl ARGV1 ARGV2 > ARGV3 > > > > then for your SIMULATE option check the cookbook for runing espr in text > > mode. > > > > you can so do a for in a bash file, and then take out the value you are > > interested with "awk" (a language like perl) using this command: (FOR > YOUR > > EVALUATE SECTION) > > > > awk '/Totals/ {print $2 "\n"}' prueba$i.cfg.wc_res.data > TOTAL > > > > then put your statement > > > > if Total == ValueYouWant > > > > Exit for > > > > and then voil?! :) > > > > Is a little bit rudimentary but I hope this could help you. > > > > Regards > > > > -- > > David GARCIA SANCHEZ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > D?partement Syst?mes ?nerg?tiques Environnement > > Ecole des Mines de Nantes > > 4, Rue Alfred Kastler > > 44300 Nantes > > France > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Email: david.garcia-sanchez at emn.fr >> > > Tel: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 14 > > Mobile: +33 (0) 6 78 15 08 09 > > Fax: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 99 > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100728/631c5531/attachment-0001.html From victorbunster at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 13:44:34 2010 From: victorbunster at gmail.com (victor bunster) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 09:44:34 -0300 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Perl script In-Reply-To: References: <201007271140.21273.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130139DACA9312@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130139DACA9319@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: A newbie question (first time working with the shell), I still can't run the TEST file. I'm on the C:/ terminal in windows XP I put cd C:\Esru\esp-r\validation\benchmark\QA\model_1.1\cfg and I get into the folder. Then ./TEST but it says "... is not recognized as internal or external command" If I change the file extention it opens in other software (e.g. .txt in the notepad), but not in ESP-r On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Aizaz Samuel wrote: > My preference for changing geometry would be to alter coordinates in the > geometry file directly using sed. This in my opinion is simpler than going > through the interface or a script. Also simulation results could be > outputted in xml format and interrogated using a style sheet. This method is > more robust than scripts because an interface change makes the script out of > date. > > Regards, > Aizaz > ________________________________________ > From: Jon Hand > Sent: 28 July 2010 12:15 > To: victor bunster > Cc: Aizaz Samuel; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; David Garcia > Subject: RE: [esp-r] Re: Perl script > > Given the description below it would probably make more sense > to create the base case model using the standard interface > (graphic) facilities of ESP-r and prove that that initial model > works and that the predictions are ok. > > Then (recording each step) the keystrokes needed to navigate the > interface to the required zone and then edit the vertex X Y Z values > associated with the window and save and exit (this would be one > script). > > Another script can be used to invoke a standard simulation > and another script can be invoked to extract specific performance > data. The invoke standard simulation and extract results scripts > could be based on the TEST SIMULATE.wc ANALYSE scripts > that are found in the validation/benchmark/QA/model_1.1/cfg > folder. To get a feel for this go into that folder and type in > the command ./TEST and watch what it does. > > One invokes scripts from a standard graphic terminal. Scripts > would, of course, have to be given execute attributes via an > operating system chmod command. > ________________________________________ > From: victor bunster [victorbunster at gmail.com] > Sent: 28 July 2010 11:21 > To: Jon Hand > Cc: Aizaz Samuel; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; David Garcia > Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: Perl script > > Thanks Jon, now I'm more clear, > > I think working with the text mode and calling the menus with their > characters should be more than enough. > But specifically, how do you call that commands with Perl (or the C shell)? > could you give me a short example? > For example, how write and run a script that draws a thermal zone and place > a goup of windows with a for loop. > > I'm working in something like this: > -create one 10x10x10m zone, > -place one 1x1m window, > -simulate and read the thermal data, > -move the window 1m in a random direction > -simulate, and if better maintaind or else go back. > > The idea is to automatize this algorithmic process in order to increase its > complexity later, but I'm stuck at the basics. > I'll take a look to the developers API, I'm looking for a software flexible > enough to code some small procedures combining geometric changes & > simulation/evaluation and ESP-r looks perfect. > > Regards > > Victor > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 4:21 AM, Jon Hand jon at esru.strath.ac.uk>> wrote: > > There is perhaps a misunderstanding about how scripts drive esp-r modules. > > ESP-r modules can be invoked in a text-only mode and each of the menus that > would normally be seen in the graphic mode are selected by a single > character. > Essentially, if you can do a task in ESP-r manually what you want to do is > to capture the sequence of key strokes you used and embed them in a script. > > These scripts are not invoking a 'method', they are navigating the > interface and > driving the interface to do a specific task (which should work as long as > the interface > does not change). > > So first become familiar with the ESP-r interface. It is possible to > create a model > from scratch via commands and it is possible to take an existing model and > alter aspects of the model via commands. And before going to all of that > trouble > it would be useful to consider what the other options are. > > There is a so-called META file which is a somewhat compact text file that > some 3rd party > software uses to pass information about building to ESP-r. > > The ESP-r Developers Guide includes an API for ~hundred subroutines and > lots of > other information that might be helpful to you. > > What is unclear is the big picture of what it is you are trying to do and > your goals. > If you could provide an outline then it might focus the discussion. > > -Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: victor bunster [victorbunster at gmail.com victorbunster at gmail.com>] > Sent: 28 July 2010 01:34 > To: Aizaz Samuel > Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; David > Garcia; Jon Hand > Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: Perl script > > Thanks for all the feedback, its helping me a lot. > > I have a couple of more basic questions, I'm not used to ESP-r scripting > "environment" (I come from other software with embedded scripting > functionality, like ecotect or rhino). I have noticed that many of the > scripts use the C:\ shell, but I have a couple of problems to advance in > that path. > First, I don't know how to run the software's commands, is there any > document with the methods or an API guide? for example if I want to create a > zone, how do I call that method from inside the shell? > The other question regards the possibility to write longer code, for > example: create a zone, then 10 windows, assign material, etc... all in one > block. I think this should be done in Perl (or Python) but I don't know how > to run it and connected to ESP-r methods. > > Thanks again, > > Victor > > > > On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Aizaz Samuel >> wrote: > Some instances where scripts have been used in the past: > 1. ESP-r modelling of domestic heating systems (ADEPT2 available from > sesg.strath.ac.uk) has > scripts that simulate and list the results into csv > files that are readable by spreadsheet macros. > 2. Simulation of test models that simulate and write out results in pdf > format. These are used for running comparison tests periodically and > writing > out a nicely formatted report. > 3. Running regression testing that involves subversion commands, forcheck, > compilation, simulation, results analysis and some other software testing > tasks. (Available at > https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/trunk/tester/scripts/) > > The first two use bash and c shell scripts the last one uses perl > > Regards, > -- > Dr Aizaz A Samuel > Department of Mechanical Engineering > University of Strathclyde > M324 James Weir Building > 75 Montrose Street > Glasgow, UK > G1 1XJ > > T:+44 141 548 5765 > F:+44 141 552 5105 > > > On Tuesday 27 July 2010 10:57, David Garcia wrote: > > Normally it should be perl but other users told me that python is more > > useful, > > > > Personaly I used PERL, to start programming, I recommend you to read the > > book "Learning Perl" from Randal L.Schwartz,(O'reilly). > > > > Normally your perl file should look like this: (FOR YOUR CHANGE GEOMETRY > > SECTION) > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > $file = $ARGV[0]; > > $largo = $ARGV[1]; > > $ancho = $ARGV[2]; > > $alto = $ARGV[3]; > > $angulo = $ARGV[4]; > > $base = $largo*$ancho; > > > > # Parse the perl sign pound (#) > > $val = "#"; > > > > # open up MYFILE for writing > > open(MYFILE,">$file"); > > > > #or die "Can't open up myfile: $file\n"; if we want the file to be > readed! > > > > # now this line format will automatically apply to MYFILE > > format MYFILE = > > @ > $val > > GEN test_zonep test_zonep describes a for testing in perl # type, > name, > > descr 8 6 @###.### # vertices, surfaces, rotation angle > $angulo > > @< X co-ord, Y co-ord, Z co-ord > > $val > > 0.00000 0.00000 0.00000 # vert 1 > > @###.##### 0.00000 0.00000 # vert 2 > > $largo, > > @###.##### @###.##### 0.00000 # vert 3 > > $largo, $ancho > > 0.00000 @###.##### 0.00000 # vert 4 > > $ancho .... CONTINUE > > ---------------------------------- > > > > and you can invoke it in linux by type: > > > > > > ./changegeo.pl< > http://changegeo.pl> ARGV1 ARGV2 ARGV3 > > > > then for your SIMULATE option check the cookbook for runing espr in text > > mode. > > > > you can so do a for in a bash file, and then take out the value you are > > interested with "awk" (a language like perl) using this command: (FOR > YOUR > > EVALUATE SECTION) > > > > awk '/Totals/ {print $2 "\n"}' prueba$i.cfg.wc_res.data > TOTAL > > > > then put your statement > > > > if Total == ValueYouWant > > > > Exit for > > > > and then voil?! :) > > > > Is a little bit rudimentary but I hope this could help you. > > > > Regards > > > > -- > > David GARCIA SANCHEZ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > D?partement Syst?mes ?nerg?tiques Environnement > > Ecole des Mines de Nantes > > 4, Rue Alfred Kastler > > 44300 Nantes > > France > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Email: david.garcia-sanchez at emn.fr > >> >>> > > Tel: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 14 > > Mobile: +33 (0) 6 78 15 08 09 > > Fax: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 99 > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100728/b6215e2b/attachment-0001.html From victorbunster at gmail.com Thu Jul 29 01:21:03 2010 From: victorbunster at gmail.com (victor bunster) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 10:21:03 +1000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Perl script In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130139DACA931E@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <201007271140.21273.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130139DACA9312@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130139DACA9319@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130139DACA931E@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: Thanks Jon, I gonna switch to OS X or a portable Linux... Victor On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Jon Hand wrote: > > Ok, lets jump back here. > > XP does not, by default include the csh or bash shell that > TEST is expecting. You get the kind of shells used by TEST on Linux or OSX > or > Unix or in the Cygwin emulator on XP boxes. > > You might also get a minimal shell as part of the MSYS environment > which can be loaded onto an XP box. We use MSYS as part of our compile > environment on Native Windows machines but I have not tried to run > the TEST script with it. > > Also assuming that you can get a command shell you are going to have to > be running the text version of ESP-r which is found in the bin_text folder > of the XP ESP-r distribution. > > I think we were all assuming that you were working on a Linux box or > similar > because the scripting capabilities of XP is rather minimal. > > There is more information about MSYS if you look in the documentation > about setting up a Native Windows machine for ESP-r development. > > -Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: victor bunster [victorbunster at gmail.com] > Sent: 28 July 2010 13:44 > To: Jon Hand > Cc: Aizaz Samuel; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; David Garcia > Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: Perl script > > A newbie question (first time working with the shell), I still can't run > the TEST file. I'm on the C:/ terminal in windows XP > I put cd C:\Esru\esp-r\validation\benchmark\QA\model_1.1\cfg and I get into > the folder. Then ./TEST but it says "... is not recognized as internal or > external command" > If I change the file extention it opens in other software (e.g. .txt in the > notepad), but not in ESP-r > > > On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Aizaz Samuel > wrote: > My preference for changing geometry would be to alter coordinates in the > geometry file directly using sed. This in my opinion is simpler than going > through the interface or a script. Also simulation results could be > outputted in xml format and interrogated using a style sheet. This method is > more robust than scripts because an interface change makes the script out of > date. > > Regards, > Aizaz > ________________________________________ > From: Jon Hand > Sent: 28 July 2010 12:15 > To: victor bunster > Cc: Aizaz Samuel; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; > David Garcia > Subject: RE: [esp-r] Re: Perl script > > Given the description below it would probably make more sense > to create the base case model using the standard interface > (graphic) facilities of ESP-r and prove that that initial model > works and that the predictions are ok. > > Then (recording each step) the keystrokes needed to navigate the > interface to the required zone and then edit the vertex X Y Z values > associated with the window and save and exit (this would be one > script). > > Another script can be used to invoke a standard simulation > and another script can be invoked to extract specific performance > data. The invoke standard simulation and extract results scripts > could be based on the TEST SIMULATE.wc ANALYSE scripts > that are found in the validation/benchmark/QA/model_1.1/cfg > folder. To get a feel for this go into that folder and type in > the command ./TEST and watch what it does. > > One invokes scripts from a standard graphic terminal. Scripts > would, of course, have to be given execute attributes via an > operating system chmod command. > ________________________________________ > From: victor bunster [victorbunster at gmail.com victorbunster at gmail.com>] > Sent: 28 July 2010 11:21 > To: Jon Hand > Cc: Aizaz Samuel; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; > David Garcia > Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: Perl script > > Thanks Jon, now I'm more clear, > > I think working with the text mode and calling the menus with their > characters should be more than enough. > But specifically, how do you call that commands with Perl (or the C shell)? > could you give me a short example? > For example, how write and run a script that draws a thermal zone and place > a goup of windows with a for loop. > > I'm working in something like this: > -create one 10x10x10m zone, > -place one 1x1m window, > -simulate and read the thermal data, > -move the window 1m in a random direction > -simulate, and if better maintaind or else go back. > > The idea is to automatize this algorithmic process in order to increase its > complexity later, but I'm stuck at the basics. > I'll take a look to the developers API, I'm looking for a software flexible > enough to code some small procedures combining geometric changes & > simulation/evaluation and ESP-r looks perfect. > > Regards > > Victor > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 4:21 AM, Jon Hand jon at esru.strath.ac.uk> jon at esru.strath.ac.uk>>> wrote: > > There is perhaps a misunderstanding about how scripts drive esp-r modules. > > ESP-r modules can be invoked in a text-only mode and each of the menus that > would normally be seen in the graphic mode are selected by a single > character. > Essentially, if you can do a task in ESP-r manually what you want to do is > to capture the sequence of key strokes you used and embed them in a script. > > These scripts are not invoking a 'method', they are navigating the > interface and > driving the interface to do a specific task (which should work as long as > the interface > does not change). > > So first become familiar with the ESP-r interface. It is possible to > create a model > from scratch via commands and it is possible to take an existing model and > alter aspects of the model via commands. And before going to all of that > trouble > it would be useful to consider what the other options are. > > There is a so-called META file which is a somewhat compact text file that > some 3rd party > software uses to pass information about building to ESP-r. > > The ESP-r Developers Guide includes an API for ~hundred subroutines and > lots of > other information that might be helpful to you. > > What is unclear is the big picture of what it is you are trying to do and > your goals. > If you could provide an outline then it might focus the discussion. > > -Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: victor bunster [victorbunster at gmail.com victorbunster at gmail.com> victorbunster at gmail.com>>] > Sent: 28 July 2010 01:34 > To: Aizaz Samuel > Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk>; David Garcia; > Jon Hand > Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: Perl script > > Thanks for all the feedback, its helping me a lot. > > I have a couple of more basic questions, I'm not used to ESP-r scripting > "environment" (I come from other software with embedded scripting > functionality, like ecotect or rhino). I have noticed that many of the > scripts use the C:\ shell, but I have a couple of problems to advance in > that path. > First, I don't know how to run the software's commands, is there any > document with the methods or an API guide? for example if I want to create a > zone, how do I call that method from inside the shell? > The other question regards the possibility to write longer code, for > example: create a zone, then 10 windows, assign material, etc... all in one > block. I think this should be done in Perl (or Python) but I don't know how > to run it and connected to ESP-r methods. > > Thanks again, > > Victor > > > > On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Aizaz Samuel > >>> wrote: > Some instances where scripts have been used in the past: > 1. ESP-r modelling of domestic heating systems (ADEPT2 available from > sesg.strath.ac.uk< > http://sesg.strath.ac.uk>) has scripts that simulate and list the results > into csv > files that are readable by spreadsheet macros. > 2. Simulation of test models that simulate and write out results in pdf > format. These are used for running comparison tests periodically and > writing > out a nicely formatted report. > 3. Running regression testing that involves subversion commands, forcheck, > compilation, simulation, results analysis and some other software testing > tasks. (Available at > https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/trunk/tester/scripts/) > > The first two use bash and c shell scripts the last one uses perl > > Regards, > -- > Dr Aizaz A Samuel > Department of Mechanical Engineering > University of Strathclyde > M324 James Weir Building > 75 Montrose Street > Glasgow, UK > G1 1XJ > > T:+44 141 548 5765 > F:+44 141 552 5105 > > > On Tuesday 27 July 2010 10:57, David Garcia wrote: > > Normally it should be perl but other users told me that python is more > > useful, > > > > Personaly I used PERL, to start programming, I recommend you to read the > > book "Learning Perl" from Randal L.Schwartz,(O'reilly). > > > > Normally your perl file should look like this: (FOR YOUR CHANGE GEOMETRY > > SECTION) > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > $file = $ARGV[0]; > > $largo = $ARGV[1]; > > $ancho = $ARGV[2]; > > $alto = $ARGV[3]; > > $angulo = $ARGV[4]; > > $base = $largo*$ancho; > > > > # Parse the perl sign pound (#) > > $val = "#"; > > > > # open up MYFILE for writing > > open(MYFILE,">$file"); > > > > #or die "Can't open up myfile: $file\n"; if we want the file to be > readed! > > > > # now this line format will automatically apply to MYFILE > > format MYFILE = > > @ > $val > > GEN test_zonep test_zonep describes a for testing in perl # type, > name, > > descr 8 6 @###.### # vertices, surfaces, rotation angle > $angulo > > @< X co-ord, Y co-ord, Z co-ord > > $val > > 0.00000 0.00000 0.00000 # vert 1 > > @###.##### 0.00000 0.00000 # vert 2 > > $largo, > > @###.##### @###.##### 0.00000 # vert 3 > > $largo, $ancho > > 0.00000 @###.##### 0.00000 # vert 4 > > $ancho .... CONTINUE > > ---------------------------------- > > > > and you can invoke it in linux by type: > > > > > > ./changegeo.pl< > http://changegeo.pl> ARGV1 ARGV2 ARGV3 > > > > then for your SIMULATE option check the cookbook for runing espr in text > > mode. > > > > you can so do a for in a bash file, and then take out the value you are > > interested with "awk" (a language like perl) using this command: (FOR > YOUR > > EVALUATE SECTION) > > > > awk '/Totals/ {print $2 "\n"}' prueba$i.cfg.wc_res.data > TOTAL > > > > then put your statement > > > > if Total == ValueYouWant > > > > Exit for > > > > and then voil?! :) > > > > Is a little bit rudimentary but I hope this could help you. > > > > Regards > > > > -- > > David GARCIA SANCHEZ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > D?partement Syst?mes ?nerg?tiques Environnement > > Ecole des Mines de Nantes > > 4, Rue Alfred Kastler > > 44300 Nantes > > France > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Email: david.garcia-sanchez at emn.fr > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > > Tel: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 14 > > Mobile: +33 (0) 6 78 15 08 09 > > Fax: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 99 > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100729/d5193bcf/attachment.html From david.garcias at gmail.com Thu Jul 29 17:07:04 2010 From: david.garcias at gmail.com (David Garcia) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:07:04 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: ubuntu installation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You write before typing >prj in the terminal the following command: export PATH=$PATH:/opt/esru/bin:/opt/esru/esp-r/bin and is OK. you can assign the export instruction to run automatically at the begining of your linux (in your batch profile) or put that command in a bash and running with the prj file. regards. On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 5:00 PM, victor bunster wrote: > Hi, > I'm having some trouble with the .run file in Linux. I'm following the > installation notes. > First, with the esp-r_v11.9_linux_precomp.run in the tmp folder, and after > changing the permissions with chmod a+x ./esp-r_v11.9_linux_precomp.run in > the terminal the installation starts without problems. But after accepting > the licence terms and starting either the GTK or the X11 installation it > says "cannot access /opt/esru/esp-r/bin: No such file or directory" that the > PATH in the .batch_profile files should include > :/opt/esru/esp-r/bin:/opt/esru/esp-r/bin > > Any ideas on what I'm doing wrong? Thanks > > > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > -- David GARCIA SANCHEZ ------------------------------------------------------------ D?partement Syst?mes ?nerg?tiques Environnement Ecole des Mines de Nantes 4, Rue Alfred Kastler 44300 Nantes France ------------------------------------------------------------ Email: david.garcia-sanchez at emn.fr Tel: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 14 Mobile: +33 (0) 6 78 15 08 09 Fax: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 99 ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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First, with the esp-r_v11.9_linux_precomp.run in the tmp folder, and after changing the permissions with chmod a+x ./esp-r_v11.9_linux_precomp.run in the terminal the installation starts without problems. But after accepting the licence terms and starting either the GTK or the X11 installation it says "cannot access /opt/esru/esp-r/bin: No such file or directory" that the PATH in the .batch_profile files should include :/opt/esru/esp-r/bin:/opt/esru/esp-r/bin Any ideas on what I'm doing wrong? Thanks From anthonynone at gmail.com Thu Jul 29 18:28:06 2010 From: anthonynone at gmail.com (anthony maitos) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 20:28:06 +0300 Subject: [esp-r] Re: ubuntu installation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Victor, probably the causes in order of occurence are: 1. You are not using root permissions, that is why the executables cannot be installed in ../bin. 2. You have not used an editor to change your PATH variable, as described in e.g. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=650327 Hope I am helping. If the problem continues you can simply download and install the development version, though that is a little harder. Anthony Maitos. On 29 July 2010 18:00, victor bunster wrote: > Hi, > I'm having some trouble with the .run file in Linux. I'm following the > installation notes. > First, with the esp-r_v11.9_linux_precomp.run in the tmp folder, and after > changing the permissions with chmod a+x ./esp-r_v11.9_linux_precomp.run in > the terminal the installation starts without problems. But after accepting > the licence terms and starting either the GTK or the X11 installation it > says "cannot access /opt/esru/esp-r/bin: No such file or directory" that the > PATH in the .batch_profile files should include > :/opt/esru/esp-r/bin:/opt/esru/esp-r/bin > > Any ideas on what I'm doing wrong? 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100729/77d424fd/attachment.html From victorbunster at gmail.com Fri Jul 30 07:02:24 2010 From: victorbunster at gmail.com (victor bunster) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:02:24 +1000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: ubuntu installation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That was the problem... thanks For the record, in UBUNTU(guest) over XP(host) with VirtualBox I did: sudo ./esp-r_v11.9_linux_precomp.run and the installation worked, then: export PATH=$PATH:/opt/esru/bin:/opt/esru/esp-r/bin after that if I typed: esp-r or prj I got the prompt: "error while loading shared libraries: libgfortran.so.1: cannot open shared library: No such file or directory" so with: sudo dpkg -i "package_name.deb" I installed the packages: gcc-4.1-base_4.1.2-21ubuntu1 gcc-4.3-base_4.3.2-1ubuntu11 libgfortran3_4.3.2-1ubuntu11 libgfortran1_4.1.2-21ubuntu1 And finally worked... thanks for your help and time On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 3:28 AM, anthony maitos wrote: > Dear Victor, > probably the causes in order of occurence are: > 1. You are not using root permissions, that is why the executables cannot > be installed in ../bin. > 2. You have not used an editor to change your PATH variable, as described > in e.g. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=650327 > Hope I am helping. > If the problem continues you can simply download and install the > development version, though that is a little harder. > Anthony Maitos. > > > > > On 29 July 2010 18:00, victor bunster wrote: > >> Hi, >> I'm having some trouble with the .run file in Linux. I'm following the >> installation notes. >> First, with the esp-r_v11.9_linux_precomp.run in the tmp folder, and after >> changing the permissions with chmod a+x ./esp-r_v11.9_linux_precomp.run in >> the terminal the installation starts without problems. But after accepting >> the licence terms and starting either the GTK or the X11 installation it >> says "cannot access /opt/esru/esp-r/bin: No such file or directory" that the >> PATH in the .batch_profile files should include >> :/opt/esru/esp-r/bin:/opt/esru/esp-r/bin >> >> Any ideas on what I'm doing wrong? Thanks >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> esp-r mailing list >> >> esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100730/99621eb2/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Jul 30 08:22:13 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:22:13 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: ubuntu installation In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130139DC20107B@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Note that the ESRU download site includes the ligfortran libraries. For Ubuntu is it probably easier to use the package manager to install this (one of the really nice things about Ubuntu). -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: victor bunster [victorbunster at gmail.com] Sent: 30 July 2010 07:02 To: anthony maitos Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; Jon Hand; David Garcia Subject: Re: [esp-r] ubuntu installation That was the problem... thanks For the record, in UBUNTU(guest) over XP(host) with VirtualBox I did: sudo ./esp-r_v11.9_linux_precomp.run and the installation worked, then: export PATH=$PATH:/opt/esru/bin:/opt/esru/esp-r/bin after that if I typed: esp-r or prj I got the prompt: "error while loading shared libraries: libgfortran.so.1: cannot open shared library: No such file or directory" so with: sudo dpkg -i "package_name.deb" I installed the packages: gcc-4.1-base_4.1.2-21ubuntu1 gcc-4.3-base_4.3.2-1ubuntu11 libgfortran3_4.3.2-1ubuntu11 libgfortran1_4.1.2-21ubuntu1 And finally worked... thanks for your help and time On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 3:28 AM, anthony maitos > wrote: Dear Victor, probably the causes in order of occurence are: 1. You are not using root permissions, that is why the executables cannot be installed in ../bin. 2. You have not used an editor to change your PATH variable, as described in e.g. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=650327 Hope I am helping. If the problem continues you can simply download and install the development version, though that is a little harder. Anthony Maitos. On 29 July 2010 18:00, victor bunster > wrote: Hi, I'm having some trouble with the .run file in Linux. I'm following the installation notes. First, with the esp-r_v11.9_linux_precomp.run in the tmp folder, and after changing the permissions with chmod a+x ./esp-r_v11.9_linux_precomp.run in the terminal the installation starts without problems. But after accepting the licence terms and starting either the GTK or the X11 installation it says "cannot access /opt/esru/esp-r/bin: No such file or directory" that the PATH in the .batch_profile files should include :/opt/esru/esp-r/bin:/opt/esru/esp-r/bin Any ideas on what I'm doing wrong? Thanks _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From victorbunster at gmail.com Mon Aug 2 05:09:32 2010 From: victorbunster at gmail.com (victor bunster) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 14:09:32 +1000 Subject: [esp-r] launching ESP-r in Perl or Python Message-ID: Hi All, After some tryouts, your help and lots of cookbook, the terminal is getting very rewarding. For example to generate a zone from scratch: ############## start #!/bin/csh -fb prj -mode text << key1 e MODEL a description modelname.log N N 41 -4 2010 m c a a zonedescription whatrepresents a 0,0,0 5,5,5 0 0 0 connectionsname.cnn key1 ############ end But when trying to do the same type of procedures in Perl or Python (I need to write some objects) I have a couple of basic problems, for example, how do you start the prj -mode text by a .py or a .pl? or how do you pass the keyboard keys? My idea is to write several separated files and run them from one "parent", like the TEST sample. Thanks in advance, Victor Bunster -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have a bash file who do almost the same (since a lot time I didn't do that kind of procedure) this is the for statement: ------ for ((i=1 ; i<=$Nnumber ; i++)) do printf "$i moving prueba$i.cfg... \n" ; ./change_cfg.pl prueba$i.cfg perltest$i.geo mv prueba$i.cfg ./cfg/prueba$i.cfg printf "$i analyzing the file prueba$i.cfg ... \n"; cd cfg/el archivo ./CHANGEGEO.wc prueba$i.cfg $VERSION $i ./ANALYSEGEO prueba$i.cfg.wc_res $VERSION $i cd .. done ------- you can see that ./ANALYSEGEO I take it from esp-r cookbook example (I just rename it and take out the results that interest me) Hope it helps you regards DGS On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 6:09 AM, victor bunster wrote: > Hi All, > After some tryouts, your help and lots of cookbook, the terminal is getting > very rewarding. > For example to generate a zone from scratch: > > ############## start > #!/bin/csh -fb > prj -mode text << key1 > e > MODEL > a > description > modelname.log > N > N > 41 > -4 > 2010 > m > c > a > a > zonedescription > whatrepresents > a > 0,0,0 > 5,5,5 > 0 > 0 > 0 > connectionsname.cnn > key1 > ############ end > > But when trying to do the same type of procedures in Perl or Python (I need > to write some objects) I have a couple of basic problems, for example, how > do you start the prj -mode text by a .py or a .pl? or how do you pass the > keyboard keys? > My idea is to write several separated files and run them from one "parent", > like the TEST sample. > > Thanks in advance, > > Victor Bunster > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > -- David GARCIA SANCHEZ ------------------------------------------------------------ D?partement Syst?mes ?nerg?tiques Environnement Ecole des Mines de Nantes 4, Rue Alfred Kastler 44300 Nantes France ------------------------------------------------------------ Email: david.garcia-sanchez at emn.fr Tel: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 14 Mobile: +33 (0) 6 78 15 08 09 Fax: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 99 ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, I'm using the old version with Ubuntu Linux -- David GARCIA SANCHEZ ------------------------------------------------------------ D?partement Syst?mes ?nerg?tiques Environnement Ecole des Mines de Nantes 4, Rue Alfred Kastler 44300 Nantes France ------------------------------------------------------------ Email: david.garcia-sanchez at emn.fr Tel: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 14 Mobile: +33 (0) 6 78 15 08 09 Fax: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 99 ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100802/b84fbd9e/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Aug 2 14:50:39 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 14:50:39 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problem with 3d Graphs... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130139DC20108C@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> This is a bit of a puzzle - the error is likely to be in the subroutine rwrand of the file plot3d.F. The subroutine is managing an external random access file which is being used to temporarily hold data to be plotted. What seems odd is the dimension statement array(1) that is a rather strange size of array, but that code has been that way for a very long time. For further clarification a) what type of data were you trying to plot with the 3d graphic facility? b) how many zones were included in this plotting request? c) does the 3d graphic for this type of data cause a fault in other models? -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David Garcia [david.garcias at gmail.com] Sent: 02 August 2010 14:22 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Problem with 3d Graphs... Hi all, I'm analyzing a building of 33 zones made in ESP-r (Results analysis) but when I try to use the 3dgraph facilities suddenly my result analysis module crash (it show what it seems like a graphical result for a .5 second before shutdown suddenly). So I look the terminal window from i launched ESp-r(linux) and it shows this message: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ fprofma: i 3 y 609 lineheight 17 At line 977 of file plot3d.F Fortran runtime error: Non-existing record number ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is this a normal error or this option (3d graphs) is not currently developed in ESP-r? Regards, I'm using the old version with Ubuntu Linux -- David GARCIA SANCHEZ ------------------------------------------------------------ D?partement Syst?mes ?nerg?tiques Environnement Ecole des Mines de Nantes 4, Rue Alfred Kastler 44300 Nantes France ------------------------------------------------------------ Email: david.garcia-sanchez at emn.fr Tel: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 14 Mobile: +33 (0) 6 78 15 08 09 Fax: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 99 ------------------------------------------------------------ From mmanzan at alice.it Tue Aug 3 08:29:09 2010 From: mmanzan at alice.it (Marco Manzan) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 09:29:09 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: esp-r Digest, Vol 48, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201008030929.10157.mmanzan@alice.it> > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 12:25:23 +0100 > From: Jon Hand > Subject: [esp-r] reminder to check your localle before working with > ESP-r models! > To: "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" > Message-ID: > <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413E109542213 at E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > A sad story - a user had a nice little model and then all of > a sudden it stoped workinig and could not be opened.... > > And what happened was that the zone geometry file and > the model configuration file had written out real numbers > with a comma for a decimal place. ESP-r thinks that a > comma separates two numbers and got hopelessly messed > up. The fault was corrected (in this case) by a global replace > of the commas with a dot for decimal places. > > Two things to learn from this.... > > a) keep a back up copy of your model before you start working on it > (so you can recover from this kind of change) > > b) if you are working in a region of the world that uses something > other than a dot/period for a decimal place you need to reset > your localle while working with ESP-r. > > And this is simply because we do not know how to instruct > the input/output format statements (written in fortran) to > treat real numbers in a different way. > > Regards, Jon Hand > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > End of esp-r Digest, Vol 48, Issue 12 > ************************************* > From my experience the locale problem is related to the internationalization of the GTK toolkit, there aren't problems with the text or X11 versions of esp-r. To correct the problem when I use the GTK version I issue the command: export LC_NUMERIC=C only the locale for numerics need to be changed. It is worth noting that this is a common problem for a number of codes also in windows , among them GSLedit . regards Marco _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria Navale, del Mare e per l'Ambiente | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |via Valerio 10, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| From rodrigo.jpg at gmail.com Tue Aug 3 14:39:18 2010 From: rodrigo.jpg at gmail.com (Rodrigo Perez) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 09:39:18 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Error Install Esp-r in MacOs X 10.6.4 Message-ID: <35CC6414-8248-4F15-B3A1-92482E7FF96A@gmail.com> Dear All, I have the following error when installing Esp-r on a Mac OSx 10.6.4, processor Intel Core 2 Duo. Installing ESP-r system. This may take some time. - gathering versioning information from svn... Done. - building disableGccFPE... Done. - building disableXML... Done. - building libX11... Done. - building aco... ERROR: could not build executable aco! Compilation messages follow: ----------------------------------------- Compilation of aco on Tue Aug 3 09:14:38 CLT 2010 Make command: ------------- make MCTYPE=osx MCC=gcc MCPL=g++ MFC=gfortran DESTdir=/usr/esru ESPdir=/usr/esru/esp-r WWLINK=unshared EXE= XINSTALLDIR=/usr/X11R6 CFLAGS=-I../include -I../shocc -I/usr/local/include -I../cetc/h3kreports -I/usr/X11R6/include -DOSX -DLIN -DX11 FFLAGS=-I../include -I../shocc -I/usr/local/include -I../cetc/h3kreports -DOSX -DLIN -DX11 -fno-automatic -DGCC4 LD_FLAGS= ULIBS=-L/Users/rodrigoperez/trunk/src/lib -lversion -lfpe -lxesru -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -lXML xml_status= -f Makefile aco >>.make_msg 2>&1 Make output: ------------ cd `pwd`/esruaco; make gfortran -o aco -I../include -I../shocc -I/usr/local/include -I../cetc/h3kreports -DOSX -DLIN -DX11 -fno-automatic -DGCC4 aco.o acocalc.o acoesp.o arrow.o ascii_mat.o c2fdum.o common3dv.o cread3dv.o ctlexp.o ctread.o dossupport.o e3dviews.o econstr.o edatabase.o edcondb.o egeometry.o emfnetw.o enetmisc.o eroper.o esru_misc.o esystem.o item.o mfcdat.o nwkrewr.o pltcfg.o readaco.o readBCF.o readTrnsys.o rwipv.o rwsbem.o sort.o startup.o tdfile.o -L/Users/rodrigoperez/trunk/src/lib -lversion -lfpe -lxesru -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -lXML ld: warning: in /Users/rodrigoperez/trunk/src/lib/libfpe.a, file is not of required architecture ld: warning: duplicate dylib /usr/local/lib/libgcc_s.1.dylib Undefined symbols: "__gfortran_internal_free", referenced from: _trnpmxt_ in readTrnsys.o _trnpmxt_ in readTrnsys.o _readtrnsyspar_ in readTrnsys.o _readtrnsyspar_ in readTrnsys.o _readtrnsyspar_ in readTrnsys.o .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. "_etplot_", referenced from: _plottrev_ in acoesp.o _plottrev_ in acoesp.o ld: symbol(s) not found collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[1]: *** [aco] Error 1 make: *** [aco] Error 2 ----------------------------------------- Install: Fatal error. Executable aco could not be built! Installation aborted. how I can solve the problem? Thank for your help.. Rodrigo P?rez G. Engineer HVAC. Unidad Eficiencia Energ?tica. IDIEM | FCFM | Universidad de Chile. rodrigo.perezg at idiem.cl www.ingenieriaverde.cl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100803/ca0add85/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Aug 3 15:18:10 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 15:18:10 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Error Install Esp-r in MacOs X 10.6.4 In-Reply-To: <35CC6414-8248-4F15-B3A1-92482E7FF96A@gmail.com> References: <35CC6414-8248-4F15-B3A1-92482E7FF96A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413014617EC1098@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> We just recently got ESP-r to compile on OSX 10.6 and it needs a slightly different Install script than the standard one. This will be sent separately to Rodrigo. Once it is stable we may be able to move it into the development branch. OSX 10.6 is a 64 bit environment and it seems to have a few sensitivities (that we have discovered thus far). Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Rodrigo Perez [rodrigo.jpg at gmail.com] Sent: 03 August 2010 14:39 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Error Install Esp-r in MacOs X 10.6.4 Dear All, I have the following error when installing Esp-r on a Mac OSx 10.6.4, processor Intel Core 2 Duo. Installing ESP-r system. This may take some time. - gathering versioning information from svn... Done. - building disableGccFPE... Done. - building disableXML... Done. - building libX11... Done. - building aco... ERROR: could not build executable aco! Compilation messages follow: ----------------------------------------- Compilation of aco on Tue Aug 3 09:14:38 CLT 2010 Make command: ------------- make MCTYPE=osx MCC=gcc MCPL=g++ MFC=gfortran DESTdir=/usr/esru ESPdir=/usr/esru/esp-r WWLINK=unshared EXE= XINSTALLDIR=/usr/X11R6 CFLAGS=-I../include -I../shocc -I/usr/local/include -I../cetc/h3kreports -I/usr/X11R6/include -DOSX -DLIN -DX11 FFLAGS=-I../include -I../shocc -I/usr/local/include -I../cetc/h3kreports -DOSX -DLIN -DX11 -fno-automatic -DGCC4 LD_FLAGS= ULIBS=-L/Users/rodrigoperez/trunk/src/lib -lversion -lfpe -lxesru -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -lXML xml_status= -f Makefile aco >>.make_msg 2>&1 Make output: ------------ cd `pwd`/esruaco; make gfortran -o aco -I../include -I../shocc -I/usr/local/include -I../cetc/h3kreports -DOSX -DLIN -DX11 -fno-automatic -DGCC4 aco.o acocalc.o acoesp.o arrow.o ascii_mat.o c2fdum.o common3dv.o cread3dv.o ctlexp.o ctread.o dossupport.o e3dviews.o econstr.o edatabase.o edcondb.o egeometry.o emfnetw.o enetmisc.o eroper.o esru_misc.o esystem.o item.o mfcdat.o nwkrewr.o pltcfg.o readaco.o readBCF.o readTrnsys.o rwipv.o rwsbem.o sort.o startup.o tdfile.o -L/Users/rodrigoperez/trunk/src/lib -lversion -lfpe -lxesru -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -lXML ld: warning: in /Users/rodrigoperez/trunk/src/lib/libfpe.a, file is not of required architecture ld: warning: duplicate dylib /usr/local/lib/libgcc_s.1.dylib Undefined symbols: "__gfortran_internal_free", referenced from: _trnpmxt_ in readTrnsys.o _trnpmxt_ in readTrnsys.o _readtrnsyspar_ in readTrnsys.o _readtrnsyspar_ in readTrnsys.o _readtrnsyspar_ in readTrnsys.o .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. "_etplot_", referenced from: _plottrev_ in acoesp.o _plottrev_ in acoesp.o ld: symbol(s) not found collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[1]: *** [aco] Error 1 make: *** [aco] Error 2 ----------------------------------------- Install: Fatal error. Executable aco could not be built! Installation aborted. how I can solve the problem? Thank for your help.. Rodrigo P?rez G. Engineer HVAC. Unidad Eficiencia Energ?tica. IDIEM | FCFM | Universidad de Chile. rodrigo.perezg at idiem.cl www.ingenieriaverde.cl From mmanzan at alice.it Tue Aug 3 14:16:03 2010 From: mmanzan at alice.it (Marco Manzan) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 15:16:03 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: esp-r Digest, Vol 48, Issue 12 Message-ID: <201008031516.03799.mmanzan@alice.it> > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 12:25:23 +0100 > From: Jon Hand > Subject: [esp-r] reminder to check your localle before working with > ESP-r models! > To: "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" > Message-ID: > <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413E109542213 at E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > A sad story - a user had a nice little model and then all of > a sudden it stoped workinig and could not be opened.... > > And what happened was that the zone geometry file and > the model configuration file had written out real numbers > with a comma for a decimal place. ESP-r thinks that a > comma separates two numbers and got hopelessly messed > up. The fault was corrected (in this case) by a global replace > of the commas with a dot for decimal places. > > Two things to learn from this.... > > a) keep a back up copy of your model before you start working on it > (so you can recover from this kind of change) > > b) if you are working in a region of the world that uses something > other than a dot/period for a decimal place you need to reset > your localle while working with ESP-r. > > And this is simply because we do not know how to instruct > the input/output format statements (written in fortran) to > treat real numbers in a different way. > > Regards, Jon Hand > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > End of esp-r Digest, Vol 48, Issue 12 > ************************************* > From my experience the locale problem is related to the internationalization of the GTK toolkit, there aren't problems with the text or X11 versions of esp-r. To correct the problem when I use the GTK version I issue the command: export LC_NUMERIC=C only the locale for numerics need to be changed. It is worth noting that this is a common problem for a number of codes also in windows , among them GSLedit . regards Marco _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria Navale, del Mare e per l'Ambiente | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |via Valerio 10, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| From silvestre.celis-mercier.1 at ulaval.ca Wed Aug 4 02:01:14 2010 From: silvestre.celis-mercier.1 at ulaval.ca (Silvestre Jeronimo Celis Mercier) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 21:01:14 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] creat a new surface Bug Message-ID: <31A67FC95A00BE4A9E342CD5A6DA7D79013D5B5E2E9D@EXCH-MBX-F.ulaval.ca> Hi, I have installed ESP-r in a windows 64 Bits version. I am a beginner with ESP-r. So, I'am doing the ESP-r Cookbook_nov2008 exercices. Very helpfull! However, I can not go further than page 49 because there is alwas a bug with ESP-r when I try to creat a new surface made from existing vertices: ESP-r shuts down when a clik ''made from existing vertices'' on the menu. How to repear this bug? Tanks for help! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Silvestre J. Celis Mercier. Candidat au doctorat en sciences de l'architecture GRAP (Groupe de recherche en ambiances physiques) ?cole d'architecture, Universit? Laval 1, c?te de la Fabrique Qu?bec, (Qu?bec) Canada, G1K 7P4 T?l?phone: (418) 656-2131 poste 7921 T?l?copieur: (418) 656-2785 Courriel: silvestre.celis-mercier.1 at ulaval.ca From david.garcias at gmail.com Wed Aug 4 09:08:59 2010 From: david.garcias at gmail.com (David Garcia) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 10:08:59 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: creat a new surface Bug In-Reply-To: <31A67FC95A00BE4A9E342CD5A6DA7D79013D5B5E2E9D@EXCH-MBX-F.ulaval.ca> References: <31A67FC95A00BE4A9E342CD5A6DA7D79013D5B5E2E9D@EXCH-MBX-F.ulaval.ca> Message-ID: Hi It was a similar problem with a post by Ian McCall, I think they solved the problem, look for Ian's Posts in the mailing list, Cordialement David Garcia On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Silvestre Jeronimo Celis Mercier < silvestre.celis-mercier.1 at ulaval.ca> wrote: > Hi, > > I have installed ESP-r in a windows 64 Bits version. I am a beginner with > ESP-r. So, I'am doing the ESP-r Cookbook_nov2008 exercices. Very helpfull! > However, I can not go further than page 49 because there is alwas a bug with > ESP-r when I try to creat a new surface made from existing vertices: > > ESP-r shuts down when a clik ''made from existing vertices'' on the menu. > > How to repear this bug? > > Tanks for help! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Silvestre J. Celis Mercier. > Candidat au doctorat en sciences de l'architecture > > GRAP (Groupe de recherche en ambiances physiques) > ?cole d'architecture, Universit? Laval > 1, c?te de la Fabrique > Qu?bec, (Qu?bec) > Canada, G1K 7P4 > > T?l?phone: (418) 656-2131 poste 7921 > T?l?copieur: (418) 656-2785 > > Courriel: silvestre.celis-mercier.1 at ulaval.ca > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > -- David GARCIA SANCHEZ ------------------------------------------------------------ D?partement Syst?mes ?nerg?tiques Environnement Ecole des Mines de Nantes 4, Rue Alfred Kastler 44300 Nantes France ------------------------------------------------------------ Email: david.garcia-sanchez at emn.fr Tel: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 14 Mobile: +33 (0) 6 78 15 08 09 Fax: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 99 ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The cookbook briefly mentions some techniques (e.g. chapter 6 talks about for example, how to achieve annual heating and cooling for a whole building without simulating every day etc.... i.e. it reports initial scaling factors that can be used to convert from short period assessments to seasonal performance data.). Regards, Ian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100804/e93fdce4/attachment.html From victorbunster at gmail.com Wed Aug 4 12:02:04 2010 From: victorbunster at gmail.com (victor bunster) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 21:02:04 +1000 Subject: [esp-r] circular windows Message-ID: Hi All, Is there any way of placing circular apertures in the facades? Thanks, Victor. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100804/b4dbb791/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Aug 4 12:51:54 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:51:54 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: circular windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413014617EC109D@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A question about circular windows.... A window and its parent surface are composed of polygons and polygons can be of arbitrary shape so (if you have the time) you can create polygons of almost any arbitrary shape. A circular aperture with edges - say ~8 might be an appropriate resolution. There is a vertex transform that allows you to create a vertex at the centre of the window and then create new vertices at specified distances and angels from that point. Then make up a new surface using the new vertices and also remember to update the parent surface to include these edges as well. Probably best to only have one circular aperature per parent surface to control the complexity. Practice this on a shoebox model and when you are comfortable with the process incorporate it in your real model. And remember that if you want multiple circular windows you can copy and transform a surface to a new location. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of victor bunster [victorbunster at gmail.com] Sent: 04 August 2010 12:02 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] circular windows Hi All, Is there any way of placing circular apertures in the facades? Thanks, Victor. From ijmccall at yahoo.com Wed Aug 4 16:26:30 2010 From: ijmccall at yahoo.com (Ian McCall) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 08:26:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [esp-r] Res: creat a new surface Bug In-Reply-To: References: <31A67FC95A00BE4A9E342CD5A6DA7D79013D5B5E2E9D@EXCH-MBX-F.ulaval.ca> Message-ID: <766686.44294.qm@web31803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Slt Silvestre & David, I don't think the below below interaction with Jon got archived on the ESP-r mailing list. Basically Jon confirmed the sensitivity, updated the code and sent me a newest-greatest-latest (NGL) version of ESP-r 11.9. In NGL version of ESP-r 11.9 the the New Surface Options works! A+ Ian ________________________________ De: Jon Hand Para: Ian McCall Enviadas: Ter?a-feira, 27 de Julho de 2010 11:44:25 Assunto: RE: 1) New Surface Options & 2) Zone Construction / Contiguity / Surface I did a debug session and found a sensitivity in the dialog that asks for the indices of the vertices for the new surface. Strange but true. What is the version information on the project manager on your machine? -Jon ________________________________________ From: Ian McCall [ijmccall at yahoo.com] Sent: 27 July 2010 09:21 To: Jon Hand Subject: Res: 1) New Surface Options & 2) Zone Construction / Contiguity / Surface Hello Jon, 1) As soon as I click on the option ?made from existing vertices? (in the New Surface Options) ESP-r stops working (i.e. hangs up indefinitely). I have tried this on multiple machines and I have obtained the same results. If you have the time, checking out this function would be a good idea. ________________________________ De: David Garcia Para: Silvestre Jeronimo Celis Mercier ; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Cc: Ian McCall Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 4 de Agosto de 2010 10:08:59 Assunto: Re: [esp-r] creat a new surface Bug Hi It was a similar problem with a post by Ian McCall, I think they solved the problem, look for Ian's Posts in the mailing list, Cordialement David Garcia On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Silvestre Jeronimo Celis Mercier wrote: Hi, > >I have installed ESP-r in a windows 64 Bits version. I am a beginner with ESP-r. >So, I'am doing the ESP-r Cookbook_nov2008 exercices. Very helpfull! However, I >can not go further than page 49 because there is alwas a bug with ESP-r when I >try to creat a new surface made from existing vertices: > >ESP-r shuts down when a clik ''made from existing vertices'' on the menu. > >How to repear this bug? > >Tanks for help! > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Silvestre J. Celis Mercier. >Candidat au doctorat en sciences de l'architecture > >GRAP (Groupe de recherche en ambiances physiques) >?cole d'architecture, Universit? Laval >1, c?te de la Fabrique >Qu?bec, (Qu?bec) >Canada, G1K 7P4 > >T?l?phone: (418) 656-2131 poste 7921 >T?l?copieur: (418) 656-2785 > >Courriel: silvestre.celis-mercier.1 at ulaval.ca > >_______________________________________________ >esp-r mailing list >esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > -- David GARCIA SANCHEZ ------------------------------------------------------------ D?partement Syst?mes ?nerg?tiques Environnement Ecole des Mines de Nantes 4, Rue Alfred Kastler 44300 Nantes France ------------------------------------------------------------ Email: david.garcia-sanchez at emn.fr Tel: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 14 Mobile: +33 (0) 6 78 15 08 09 Fax: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 99 ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100804/64aafd33/attachment-0001.html From m.Trcka at tue.nl Thu Aug 5 10:11:55 2010 From: m.Trcka at tue.nl (Trcka, M.) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 11:11:55 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] 2 PhD opportunities - TU Eindhoven Message-ID: <9BEB5EF43B5A4042B60C0D8179782DB3F090FAB741@EXCHANGE10.campus.tue.nl> This is to make you aware of 2 PhD vacancies in our group. The first PhD position is part of the EOS-LT project Climate Adaptive Greenhouse: Inverse Modelling (CAGIM), which will be carried out in collaboration with De Haagse Hogeschool, Wageningen University, TNO, TU Delft and Kenlog. The ultimate goal of CAGIM is to deliver a substantial contribution towards meeting the targets that are set out in energy transition paths for the horticultural sector. This will be achieved by developing innovative greenhouse concepts with adaptable properties aiming at maximizing energy efficiency while respecting optimal growing conditions for crops. This PhD project mainly focuses on research, development and validation of the inverse modeling approach (IMA) for climate adaptive greenhouses. Further details are at jobs.tue.nl/wd/plsql/wd_portal.show_job?p_web_site_id=3085&p_web_page_id=112956 The second PhD position is part of the large Dutch Research Programme "Climate Proof Cities" in which a large number of universities and research institutes are involved. The aim of this programme is to provide the knowledge that is necessary for adapting the built environment to be able to cope with climate change. This PhD project mainly focuses on a wide range of adaptation measures that will be evaluated for indoor building environmental performance (thermal comfort - overheating) and heating and cooling energy consumption. "High-resolution whole-building simulation" will be employed for different climate scenarios and for a typological building classification. The high-resolution whole-building approach will be expanded to take into account user behavior. Further details are at jobs.tue.nl/wd/plsql/wd_portal.show_job?p_web_site_id=3085&p_web_page_id=109720 Please don't hesitate to contact us for further information. Also, we would appreciate it very much if you could forward this message to potential candidates. Thanks in advance! Marija Trcka On behalf of Jan Hensen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100805/4ce4062a/attachment.html From ijmccall at yahoo.com Mon Aug 9 09:34:09 2010 From: ijmccall at yahoo.com (Ian McCall) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 01:34:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [esp-r] Scaling up my Model Message-ID: <907982.39725.qm@web31803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello ESP-r Community, Hence the last note I have looked into the scaling feature of ESP-r. I have successfully followed the steps outlined in chapter 6 of the ESP-r Cookbook (version Nov 2008). I have created a weather file for my city (Nantes) and selected the typical weeks for the winter1, spring, summer, fall and winter2. I have updated the "climatelist" etc... but then the chapter in ESP-r Cookbook Chapter 6 just stops and does not describe how execute simulation using the 5 ideal weeks / scaling option. Is this an automatic scaling option or do I have to run the simulation 5 times with each respective "ideal week" and then self-scale the results? Any ideas? Cheers, Ian * Previous message: [esp-r] Res: creat a new surface Bug * Next message: [esp-r] circular windows * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] ________________________________ Hello ESP-r, I am looking for all the information possible related to scaling up a model. The cookbook states that scaling up skills and working practices to cope with the level of complexity found in realistic projects has traditionally been accomplished via mentors or workshops. Since those two options are not really available to me does someone have a document that covers these details? The cookbook briefly mentions some techniques (e.g. chapter 6 talks about for example, how to achieve annual heating and cooling for a whole building without simulating every day etc.... i.e. it reports initial scaling factors that can be used to convert from short period assessments to seasonal performance data.). Regards, Ian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have created a weather file for my city (Nantes) and selected the typical weeks for the winter1, spring, summer, fall and winter2.. I have updated the "climatelist" etc... but then the chapter in ESP-r Cookbook Chapter 6 just stops and does not describe how execute simulation using the 5 ideal weeks / scaling option.? Is this an automatic scaling option or do I have to run the simulation 5 times with each respective "ideal week" and then self-scale the results?? Any ideas? Cheers, Ian Previous message: [esp-r] Res: creat a new surface Bug (http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/2010/001926.html)Next message: [esp-r] circular windows (http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/2010/001924.html) Messages sorted by: [ date ] (http://lists..strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/2010/date.html#1923) [ thread ] (http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/2010/thread.html#1923) [ subject ] (http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/2010/subject.html#1923) [ author ] (http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/2010/author.html#1923) Hello ESP-r, I am looking for all the information possible related to scaling up a model. The cookbook states that scaling up skills and working practices to cope with the level of complexity found in realistic projects has traditionally been accomplished via mentors or workshops. Since those two options are not really available to me does someone have a document that covers these details? The cookbook briefly mentions some techniques (e.g. chapter 6 talks about for example, how to achieve annual heating and cooling for a whole building without simulating every day etc.... i.e. it reports initial scaling factors that can be used to convert from short period assessments to seasonal performance data.). Regards, Ian ? _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk (mailto:esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" class="autolink) http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r (http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r" target="_blank" class="autolink) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100809/9ba26f9f/attachment.html From ijmccall at yahoo.com Mon Aug 9 14:02:23 2010 From: ijmccall at yahoo.com (Ian McCall) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 06:02:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [esp-r] Res: AW: Scaling up my Model In-Reply-To: <35f4de797f2327e2a15aeee5ec7c2e5d@212.203.77.246> References: <35f4de797f2327e2a15aeee5ec7c2e5d@212.203.77.246> Message-ID: <532829.28890.qm@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello Achim, I have clicked that option (even before posing the question on the mailing list) and what I get is a pop-up window that says: "Normally an integrated simulation is invoked by which the heat, fluid, electrical power and light flows within combined building/plant models may be evaluated." and then disappears. Then I click "integrated simulation" and I get the regular menus and simulation options. When I execute the simulation I don't see anything that indicates that the pre-defined weeks were used. When I graph the ambient climate temperature shows a typical ambient temperature profile with no repeating weekly temperature profile as I would have expected. Where did I go off track? Regards, Ian ________________________________ De: Achim.geissler Para: IanMcCall ; ESP-r Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 9 de Agosto de 2010 11:01:12 Assunto: AW: [esp-r] Scaling up my Model Hi Ian look for the "model context - integrated performance view" (ipv) menu. This allows for automatic calculation of the defined weeks, input of scaling factors etc. It produces a concise summary of the results. Best Achim --------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: "Ian McCall" An: "ESP-r" Betreff: [esp-r] Scaling up my Model Datum: 09/08/10 11:36 Hello ESP-r Community, Hence the last note I have looked into the scaling feature of ESP-r. I have successfully followed the steps outlined in chapter 6 of the ESP-r Cookbook (version Nov 2008). I have created a weather file for my city (Nantes) and selected the typical weeks for the winter1, spring, sum! mer, fall and winter2.. I have updated the "climatelist" etc... but then the chapter in ESP-r Cookbook Chapter 6 just stops and does not describe how execute simulation using the 5 ideal weeks / scaling option. Is this an automatic scaling option or do I have to run the simulation 5 times with each respective "ideal week" and then self-scale the results? Any ideas? Cheers, Ian * Previous message: [esp-r] Res: creat a new surface Bug * Next message: [esp-r] circular windows * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] ________________________________ Hello ESP-r, I am looking for all the information possible related to scaling up a model. The cookbook states that scaling up skills and working practices to cope with the level of complexity found in realistic projects has traditionally been accomplished via mentors or workshops. Since those two options are not really available to me does someone have a document that covers these details? The cookbook briefly mentions some techniques (e.g. chapter 6 talks about for example, how to achieve annual heating and cooling for a whole building without simulating every day etc.... i.e. it reports initial scaling factors that can be used to convert from short period assessments to seasonal performance data.). Regards, Ian ________________________________ _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100809/34e45212/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Aug 9 16:11:36 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 16:11:36 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Res: AW: Scaling up my Model In-Reply-To: <532829.28890.qm@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <35f4de797f2327e2a15aeee5ec7c2e5d@212.203.77.246>, <532829.28890.qm@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413014619E1C6DC@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> The key word in the previous email is "context menu". I will attempt a more pedantic description of the process.... Go to browse/edit/simulate -> model context -> integrated performance view and in that menu there are options to define how many seasonal assessments to run (you want the option "five seasons (typical week)". If it picks up the season definition from the "climatelist" file then you can proceed to use the "re-scan climate for seasons or day ratios" option. You should also define at least one performance metric to be reported on after the assessments have been run and if you have an environmental control you can define one or more " demand sets". When you exit from this menu the information will be recorded in the model configuration file and the next time you go into the simulation menu you will find that there are 5 simulation parameter sets defined (matching what you defined in the initial menu). You can then either run the assessments manually or in the simulation menu you can select the "integrated performance view option (just below the visual impact option). -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ian McCall [ijmccall at yahoo.com] Sent: 09 August 2010 14:02 To: Achim.geissler; ESP-r Subject: [esp-r] Res: AW: Scaling up my Model Hello Achim, I have clicked that option (even before posing the question on the mailing list) and what I get is a pop-up window that says: "Normally an integrated simulation is invoked by which the heat, fluid, electrical power and light flows within combined building/plant models may be evaluated." and then disappears. Then I click "integrated simulation" and I get the regular menus and simulation options. When I execute the simulation I don't see anything that indicates that the pre-defined weeks were used. When I graph the ambient climate temperature shows a typical ambient temperature profile with no repeating weekly temperature profile as I would have expected. Where did I go off track? Regards, Ian ________________________________ De: Achim.geissler Para: IanMcCall ; ESP-r Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 9 de Agosto de 2010 11:01:12 Assunto: AW: [esp-r] Scaling up my Model Hi Ian look for the "model context - integrated performance view" (ipv) menu. This allows for automatic calculation of the defined weeks, input of scaling factors etc. It produces a concise summary of the results. Best Achim --------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: "Ian McCall" An: "ESP-r" Betreff: [esp-r] Scaling up my Model Datum: 09/08/10 11:36 Hello ESP-r Community, Hence the last note I have looked into the scaling feature of ESP-r. I have successfully followed the steps outlined in chapter 6 of the ESP-r Cookbook (version Nov 2008). I have created a weather file for my city (Nantes) and selected the typical weeks for the winter1, spring, sum! mer, fall and winter2.. I have updated the "climatelist" etc... but then the chapter in ESP-r Cookbook Chapter 6 just stops and does not describe how execute simulation using the 5 ideal weeks / scaling option. Is this an automatic scaling option or do I have to run the simulation 5 times with each respective "ideal week" and then self-scale the results? Any ideas? Cheers, Ian * Previous message: [esp-r] Res: creat a new surface Bug * Next message: [esp-r] circular windows * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] ________________________________ Hello ESP-r, I am looking for all the information possible related to scaling up a model. The cookbook states that scaling up skills and working practices to cope with the level of complexity found in realistic projects has traditionally been accomplished via mentors or workshops. Since those two options are not really available to me does someone have a document that covers these details? The cookbook briefly mentions some techniques (e.g. chapter 6 talks about for example, how to achieve annual heating and cooling for a whole building without simulating every day etc.... i.e. it reports initial scaling factors that can be used to convert from short period assessments to seasonal performance data.). Regards, Ian ________________________________ _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From A.Geissler at gae.ch Mon Aug 9 15:17:16 2010 From: A.Geissler at gae.ch (Geissler Achim) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 16:17:16 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Res: AW: Scaling up my Model In-Reply-To: <532829.28890.qm@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <35f4de797f2327e2a15aeee5ec7c2e5d@212.203.77.246> <532829.28890.qm@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <11D0C95B14FD06489141CE4BFDBB81D7F002F5@bsexg2.gph.ch> Hi Ian I don't really recall how the setting up procedure in prj is, but you should have something like *year 1997 # assessment year *ipv 4,2,i5t # IPV data follows *title,Full elevation model 1 *version,Version Elev1 *date,Fri Oct 16 10:00:15 2009 *synop,:The Elev1 *images,0 *simulations,5 *period,29,35,Elev1 1st winter run *period,81,87,Elev1 spring run *period,191,197,Elev1 summer run *period,272,278,Elev1 autumn run *period,333,339,Elev1 2nd winter run *display_days,5,10,66,193,276,325 season multipliers: heating|cooling|lights|fans|smallp|DWH *win1,8.000,10.752,8.000,8.000,8.000,8.000 *spr,18.637,8.000,8.000,8.000,8.000,8.000 *sum,17.000,17.632,17.000,17.000,17.000,17.000 *aut,8.000,8.523,8.000,8.000,8.000,8.000 *win2,8.606,11.071,8.000,8.000,8.000,8.000 *metrics,3 # metric data: metric index, nb zones, 2 miscel , floor area *metric_1,6,1,1,8,553.5,1.000,1.000,comfort,offi_zones,Resultant T (degC) 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 *metric_2,40,1,0,8,553.5,1.000,1.000,TSolabs,solabs_zones,Solar absorbed (W) 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 *metric_3,38,1,0,8,553.5,1.000,1.000,SolinEx,solent_zones,Solar via outside(W) 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 *demand_sets, 2 # number of energy demand sets # nb. zones, 2 miscel, aggregate_toggle floor area, scaling descrip *energy_1,8,0,0,1,553.5,1.000,zones 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 # nb. zones, 2 miscel, aggregate_toggle floor area, scaling descrip *energy_2,6,0,0,1,278.9,1.000,-core 9,10,11,12,13,14 # non-specific demands: occup/light/sm pwr/fans/pumps/lifts/dhw *dmds,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 *end_ipv in your .cfg after a successful setup. Below is a step-by-step from Jon. Best Achim (by the way, what is your affiliation? I don't usually reply to "yahoo.com" etc. if I don't know who is at the other end ?) ==== Information from Jon Hand in regard to IPV: ===== A summary of the steps below: IPV lets user choose some parameters of interest (temperature, MRT, RH, energy etc) and the IPV output lists these. There are two types of scaling, both scale up energy. Zone scaling can be done if user models say one zone and wants to include x such zones in the final result. Time scaling can also be performed by selecting a period in each season (usually 3 or 5 weeks in as many seasons) and simulating. Results from these simulations are scaled up for the whole season based on degree days. ESP-r interface commands in the order I entered them: 1. To get into the ipv menu: model context > integrated performance views > give an ipv file name > leads to "options for assessments" menu I chose "5 seasons typical week" 2. To scan climate and automatically select typical weeks: re-scan climate > scan climate list 3. To set up degree day ratios to fill in multipliers for scaling: re-scan climate > for day ratios > heating temperature (choose default) > cooling temperature (choose default) > search for typical week > weighting factors (choose default) > look at next season (4 times) 4. To set up output for I2PV: report format (until you get java) 5. To choose performance metrics: Performance metrics (choose some) 6. To set up zones for energy output: Demand sets (this means energy demand) > zones (pick some zones) You can also add a second demand set which is another grouping of zones if you want to list out zones in more than one group 7. Time step data (optional): Turn on "time step aggregate" if you want column data for all days and time steps. With this turned off there is no listing for time step data. Jon suggested you try running simulations with and without this toggle to see the difference. 8. To simulate and extract reports simulation > integrated performance view > run simulations > silent (then after simulations finish) > extract reports > silent > all This should generate the I2PV input file as well as coordinating the generation of the results files which can be used for other purposes. Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Ian McCall Gesendet: Montag, 9. August 2010 15:02 An: Achim.geissler; ESP-r Betreff: [esp-r] Res: AW: Scaling up my Model Hello Achim, I have clicked that option (even before posing the question on the mailing list) and what I get is a pop-up window that says: "Normally an integrated simulation is invoked by which the heat, fluid, electrical power and light flows within combined building/plant models may be evaluated." and then disappears. Then I click "integrated simulation" and I get the regular menus and simulation options. When I execute the simulation I don't see anything that indicates that the pre-defined weeks were used. When I graph the ambient climate temperature shows a typical ambient temperature profile with no repeating weekly temperature profile as I would have expected. Where did I go off track? Regards, Ian ________________________________ De: Achim.geissler Para: IanMcCall ; ESP-r Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 9 de Agosto de 2010 11:01:12 Assunto: AW: [esp-r] Scaling up my Model Hi Ian look for the "model context - integrated performance view" (ipv) menu. This allows for automatic calculation of the defined weeks, input of scaling factors etc. It produces a concise summary of the results. Best Achim --------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: "Ian McCall" An: "ESP-r" Betreff: [esp-r] Scaling up my Model Datum: 09/08/10 11:36 Hello ESP-r Community, Hence the last note I have looked into the scaling feature of ESP-r. I have successfully followed the steps outlined in chapter 6 of the ESP-r Cookbook (version Nov 2008). I have created a weather file for my city (Nantes) and selected the typical weeks for the winter1, spring, sum! mer, fall and winter2.. I have updated the "climatelist" etc... but then the chapter in ESP-r Cookbook Chapter 6 just stops and does not describe how execute simulation using the 5 ideal weeks / scaling option. Is this an automatic scaling option or do I have to run the simulation 5 times with each respective "ideal week" and then self-scale the results? Any ideas? Cheers, Ian * Previous message: [esp-r] Res: creat a new surface Bug * Next message: [esp-r] circular windows * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] ________________________________ Hello ESP-r, I am looking for all the information possible related to scaling up a model. The cookbook states that scaling up skills and working practices to cope with the level of complexity found in realistic projects has traditionally been accomplished via mentors or workshops. Since those two options are not really available to me does someone have a document that covers these details? The cookbook briefly mentions some techniques (e.g. chapter 6 talks about for example, how to achieve annual heating and cooling for a whole building without simulating every day etc.... i.e. it reports initial scaling factors that can be used to convert from short period assessments to seasonal performance data.). Regards, Ian ________________________________ _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100809/bcba5415/attachment-0001.html From silvestre.celis-mercier.1 at ulaval.ca Mon Aug 9 16:07:39 2010 From: silvestre.celis-mercier.1 at ulaval.ca (Silvestre Jeronimo Celis Mercier) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 11:07:39 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] =?windows-1252?q?Nicol=92s_alg_for_windows_control?= Message-ID: <31A67FC95A00BE4A9E342CD5A6DA7D79013D5B5E2EA4@EXCH-MBX-F.ulaval.ca> Dear all, ??Human behaviourl algorithm ver 1.0?? is available on Esp-r contol laws for windows manipulation. Where can I find explicit definition of input parameters? Cordially, Silvestre From aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk Mon Aug 9 17:57:42 2010 From: aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk (Aizaz Samuel) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 17:57:42 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: =?windows-1252?q?Nicol=92s_alg_for_windows_control?= In-Reply-To: <31A67FC95A00BE4A9E342CD5A6DA7D79013D5B5E2EA4@EXCH-MBX-F.ulaval.ca> References: <31A67FC95A00BE4A9E342CD5A6DA7D79013D5B5E2EA4@EXCH-MBX-F.ulaval.ca> Message-ID: <201008091757.42844.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> 2007.?(Clarke?J,?Humphreys?MA,?Nicol?JF,?Rijal?HB,?Samuel A, Tuohy?P).?Using?results?from?field ?surveys?to?predict?the?effect?of?open?windows?on? thermal?comfort?and?energy?use?in buildings.?Energy?and?Buildings,? Volume?39,?Issue?7.?http://www.sciencedirect.com? 2009.?(Clarke?J,?Humphreys?MA,?Nicol?JF,?Rijal?HB,?samuel A, Tuohy?P).?The?thermal?simulation of?an?office? building?implementing?a?new?behavioural?algorithm?for?window?opening ? and?the?use?of?ceiling?fans.?Proceedings?of?11th?IBPSA?Conference,?Glasgow,?UK. 2007. ? (Clarke ? J, ? Humphreys ? MA, ? Nicol ? JF, ? Rijal ? HB, ? Samuel A, Tuohy ? P).? Comfort ? Driven Adaptive ? Window ? Opening ? Behaviour ? and ? the ? Influence ? of ? Building ? Design. Proceedings?of?10th?IBPSA?Conference,?Beijing,?China.?http://www.bs2007.org.cn? Note that only final effects on energy etc. are captured in the results file, interim parameters (e.g. actual timesteps at which windows are open or shut) are written to a scratch file (fort.??). Regards, Dr Aizaz A Samuel Department of Mechanical Engineering University of Strathclyde M324 James Weir Building 75 Montrose Street Glasgow, UK G1 1XJ T:+44 141 548 5765 F:+44 141 552 5105 On Monday 09 August 2010 16:07, Silvestre Jeronimo Celis Mercier wrote: > Dear all, > > ??Human behaviourl algorithm ver 1.0?? is available on Esp-r contol laws > for windows manipulation. > > Where can I find explicit definition of input parameters? > > Cordially, > > Silvestre > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From ijmccall at yahoo.com Tue Aug 10 08:54:04 2010 From: ijmccall at yahoo.com (Ian McCall) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 00:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [esp-r] Res: Res: AW: Scaling up my Model In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413014619E1C6DC@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <35f4de797f2327e2a15aeee5ec7c2e5d@212.203.77.246>, <532829.28890.qm@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413014619E1C6DC@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <974987.96659.qm@web31810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello Jon, I'm currently "back up and running"! Thanks again, Ian ________________________________ De: Jon Hand Para: Ian McCall ; Achim.geissler ; ESP-r Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 9 de Agosto de 2010 17:11:36 Assunto: RE: [esp-r] Res: AW: Scaling up my Model The key word in the previous email is "context menu". I will attempt a more pedantic description of the process.... Go to browse/edit/simulate -> model context -> integrated performance view and in that menu there are options to define how many seasonal assessments to run (you want the option "five seasons (typical week)". If it picks up the season definition from the "climatelist" file then you can proceed to use the "re-scan climate for seasons or day ratios" option. You should also define at least one performance metric to be reported on after the assessments have been run and if you have an environmental control you can define one or more " demand sets". When you exit from this menu the information will be recorded in the model configuration file and the next time you go into the simulation menu you will find that there are 5 simulation parameter sets defined (matching what you defined in the initial menu). You can then either run the assessments manually or in the simulation menu you can select the "integrated performance view option (just below the visual impact option). -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ian McCall [ijmccall at yahoo.com] Sent: 09 August 2010 14:02 To: Achim.geissler; ESP-r Subject: [esp-r] Res: AW: Scaling up my Model Hello Achim, I have clicked that option (even before posing the question on the mailing list) and what I get is a pop-up window that says: "Normally an integrated simulation is invoked by which the heat, fluid, electrical power and light flows within combined building/plant models may be evaluated." and then disappears. Then I click "integrated simulation" and I get the regular menus and simulation options. When I execute the simulation I don't see anything that indicates that the pre-defined weeks were used. When I graph the ambient climate temperature shows a typical ambient temperature profile with no repeating weekly temperature profile as I would have expected. Where did I go off track? Regards, Ian ________________________________ De: Achim.geissler Para: IanMcCall ; ESP-r Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 9 de Agosto de 2010 11:01:12 Assunto: AW: [esp-r] Scaling up my Model Hi Ian look for the "model context - integrated performance view" (ipv) menu. This allows for automatic calculation of the defined weeks, input of scaling factors etc. It produces a concise summary of the results. Best Achim --------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: "Ian McCall" An: "ESP-r" Betreff: [esp-r] Scaling up my Model Datum: 09/08/10 11:36 Hello ESP-r Community, Hence the last note I have looked into the scaling feature of ESP-r. I have successfully followed the steps outlined in chapter 6 of the ESP-r Cookbook (version Nov 2008). I have created a weather file for my city (Nantes) and selected the typical weeks for the winter1, spring, sum! mer, fall and winter2.. I have updated the "climatelist" etc... but then the chapter in ESP-r Cookbook Chapter 6 just stops and does not describe how execute simulation using the 5 ideal weeks / scaling option. Is this an automatic scaling option or do I have to run the simulation 5 times with each respective "ideal week" and then self-scale the results? Any ideas? Cheers, Ian * Previous message: [esp-r] Res: creat a new surface Bug * Next message: [esp-r] circular windows * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] ________________________________ Hello ESP-r, I am looking for all the information possible related to scaling up a model. The cookbook states that scaling up skills and working practices to cope with the level of complexity found in realistic projects has traditionally been accomplished via mentors or workshops. Since those two options are not really available to me does someone have a document that covers these details? The cookbook briefly mentions some techniques (e.g. chapter 6 talks about for example, how to achieve annual heating and cooling for a whole building without simulating every day etc.... i.e. it reports initial scaling factors that can be used to convert from short period assessments to seasonal performance data.). Regards, Ian ________________________________ _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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DGS -- David GARCIA SANCHEZ ------------------------------------------------------------ D?partement Syst?mes ?nerg?tiques Environnement Ecole des Mines de Nantes 4, Rue Alfred Kastler 44300 Nantes France ------------------------------------------------------------ Email: david.garcia-sanchez at emn.fr Tel: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 14 Mobile: +33 (0) 6 78 15 08 09 Fax: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 99 ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100812/fafd6eb3/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Aug 12 11:08:21 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:08:21 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: General U-value buildings... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413014619E1C6FA@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> The model contents report includes a section with a summary of the UA and U values for major categories of surfaces. If the database section is verbose it will also include the area of each construction as well as its standard U value. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David Garcia [david.garcias at gmail.com] Sent: 12 August 2010 10:41 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] General U-value buildings... Hi all, I have a very general question, is there's a way to make ESP-r give us a "general U-value of an entire building" (in a simplification terms) or we need to do al the calculations by ourselves outside? Thanks in advance. DGS -- David GARCIA SANCHEZ ------------------------------------------------------------ D?partement Syst?mes ?nerg?tiques Environnement Ecole des Mines de Nantes 4, Rue Alfred Kastler 44300 Nantes France ------------------------------------------------------------ Email: david.garcia-sanchez at emn.fr Tel: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 14 Mobile: +33 (0) 6 78 15 08 09 Fax: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 99 ------------------------------------------------------------ From felipe at b-green.cl Sat Aug 14 16:53:45 2010 From: felipe at b-green.cl (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Felipe_Dur=E1n?=) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 11:53:45 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] U-value low-e glass Message-ID: <63064ACD-164C-49D1-A4F3-3F5B7E637BD2@b-green.cl> Dear All, I am creating a double glazing system construction with a layer with a low-e glass. According to the manufacture, the U-value is 1.9 w/m2 K. I have modified the materials and the optics database based on LBNL window 5, but the U-value always remains as 2.8. Its seems that the problem maybe related with the low-e coating location. ?Does anybody knows how to create a low-e glazing system with a u-value 1.9? Kind regards, Felipe Dur?n P. Direcci?n de Proyectos / Project Manager Arquitecto PUC, Mphil U. Cambridge LEED AP BD+C -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Keep changing this value until the reported U value for the construction is 1.9. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Felipe Dur?n [felipe at b-green.cl] Sent: 14 August 2010 16:53 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] U-value low-e glass Dear All, I am creating a double glazing system construction with a layer with a low-e glass. According to the manufacture, the U-value is 1.9 w/m2 K. I have modified the materials and the optics database based on LBNL window 5, but the U-value always remains as 2.8. Its seems that the problem maybe related with the low-e coating location. ?Does anybody knows how to create a low-e glazing system with a u-value 1.9? Kind regards, Felipe Dur?n P. Direcci?n de Proyectos / Project Manager Arquitecto PUC, Mphil U. Cambridge LEED AP BD+C From ijmccall at yahoo.com Sun Aug 15 18:19:59 2010 From: ijmccall at yahoo.com (Ian McCall) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 10:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [esp-r] Scaling up my Model Message-ID: <174236.7709.qm@web31805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello Jon, Achim & fellow ESP-r Community , I have some questions / comments with regards to the topic IPV (Integrated Performance View). 1) When I enter >simulation controller > integrate performance view> IPV options > run required simulations > run interactively I can extract manually the respective "res" & "mfr" files. When I go.... > run required simulations > run silently I consistently get the following error for each of the 5 seasons and the respective "res" & "mfr" files are not generated: "task terminated with an error condition task terminated with an error condition task terminated with an error condition task terminated with an error condition task terminated with an error condition * Reached end of file looking for report!" When I enter IPV options >extract reports > run interactively I can extract / create manually the respective IVP file. When I go.... > run required simulations > run silently I consistently get the following error and the respective "IPV" (rep) file is not generated: "task terminated with an error condition * IPV extract ipv_win1 is complete. task terminated with an error condition * IPV extract ipv_spr is complete. task terminated with an error condition * IPV extract ipv_sum is complete. task terminated with an error condition * IPV extract ipv_aut is complete. task terminated with an error condition * IPV extract ipv_win2 is complete. task terminated with an error condition * Reached end of file looking for report!" Do you know how to get around this so that I can generate the files / reports silently? 2) The Cookbook 2008 does not have too much information with regards to this topic. Is there a document that describes exactly what I am looking at when I open the IPV (rep) file? From what I can tell, when I open the IPV (rep) file it looks like I have a list of information: the seasonal data and an aggregate summary. Each seasonal data is broken down into overview information; simulated periods information; individual days (included in the respective simulation period sections); and finally summary data. 3) Right now I can view the IPV file in the text window. Is there some way to view this IPV file in a graphic window? Regards, Ian Ecole des Mines de Nantes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100815/3f177459/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Aug 16 09:37:25 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 09:37:25 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Scaling up my Model In-Reply-To: <174236.7709.qm@web31805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <174236.7709.qm@web31805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413014619E1C710@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Questions about Integrated Performance Views... A number of the questions about IPV can be dealt with by a new section in the about-to-be-released August 2010 version of the ESP-r Cookbook. Those of you who would like an early look at the Cookbook can contact me and I will upload it to you (PDF is over 5MB now). The task termintated with an error condition usually indicates some fault when running the model. Those running such assessments on OSX or Linux or Solaris or under Cygwin can probably look in their command terminal and see some warnings when the simulation is running. On native windows that is not an option unless you down load the MSYS environment (includes Linux shells and utilities) and often the hidden messages can be seen if you invoke the tools within MSYS rather than from the normal Windows file manager. Do check one thing - if you are running silently in windows it will probably try and put the results files in your HOME folder. If that is deep in the file structure or has unprintable characters in the path then that could cause a crash. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: Ian McCall [ijmccall at yahoo.com] Sent: 15 August 2010 18:19 To: Jon Hand; Achim Geisslet (ESP-r) Cc: ESP-r Subject: Scaling up my Model Hello Jon, Achim & fellow ESP-r Community , I have some questions / comments with regards to the topic IPV (Integrated Performance View). 1) When I enter >simulation controller > integrate performance view> IPV options > run required simulations > run interactively I can extract manually the respective "res" & "mfr" files. When I go.... > run required simulations > run silently I consistently get the following error for each of the 5 seasons and the respective "res" & "mfr" files are not generated: "task terminated with an error condition task terminated with an error condition task terminated with an error condition task terminated with an error condition task terminated with an error condition * Reached end of file looking for report!" When I enter IPV options >extract reports > run interactively I can extract / create manually the respective IVP file. When I go.... > run required simulations > run silently I consistently get the following error and the respective "IPV" (rep) file is not generated: "task terminated with an error condition * IPV extract ipv_win1 is complete. task terminated with an error condition * IPV extract ipv_spr is complete. task terminated with an error condition * IPV extract ipv_sum is complete. task terminated with an error condition * IPV extract ipv_aut is complete. task terminated with an error condition * IPV extract ipv_win2 is complete. task terminated with an error condition * Reached end of file looking for report!" Do you know how to get around this so that I can generate the files / reports silently? 2) The Cookbook 2008 does not have too much information with regards to this topic. Is there a document that describes exactly what I am looking at when I open the IPV (rep) file? >From what I can tell, when I open the IPV (rep) file it looks like I have a list of information: the seasonal data and an aggregate summary. Each seasonal data is broken down into overview information; simulated periods information; individual days (included in the respective simulation period sections); and finally summary data. 3) Right now I can view the IPV file in the text window. Is there some way to view this IPV file in a graphic window? Regards, Ian Ecole des Mines de Nantes From felipe at b-green.cl Mon Aug 16 21:21:13 2010 From: felipe at b-green.cl (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Felipe_Dur=E1n?=) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:21:13 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Re: U-value low-e glass In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413014619E1C70F@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <63064ACD-164C-49D1-A4F3-3F5B7E637BD2@b-green.cl> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413014619E1C70F@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <9A7B29CF-B024-4CF9-802E-1B0F1EF30B8F@b-green.cl> Thank you very much Jon Felipe Dur?n P. Direcci?n de Proyectos / Project Manager Arquitecto PUC, Mphil U. Cambridge LEED AP BD+C -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Its seems that the problem maybe related with the low-e coating location. ?Does anybody knows how to create a low-e glazing system with a u-value 1.9? > > Kind regards, > > Felipe Dur?n P. > Direcci?n de Proyectos / Project Manager > Arquitecto PUC, Mphil U. Cambridge > LEED AP BD+C > From koji_takemasa at me.com Fri Aug 20 12:38:17 2010 From: koji_takemasa at me.com (=?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCSXBALxsoQiAbJEI5JzwjGyhC?=) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 20:38:17 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] erro occured Message-ID: <1CEA4538-FCB2-4166-8C9A-4C10D08E96AC@me.com> hello. I am simulating it with ESP-r 11.9 by a simple model. There is an error in the numerical result in August.However, the numerical result in January is correct. It doesn't see the reason. Please teach the reason. The model and the result are appended. Koji Takemasa (Dr.Eng.) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: Hello,I'm using the version for "Windows" of ESP-r.I can do everything right, except the acoustic module.I'm not sure how to upload files BCF and ACO.Give me a step by step on this, please, I need to simulate the acoustic module.Sincerely,Max Miller. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100820/548469ec/attachment.html From ijmccall at yahoo.com Wed Aug 25 09:37:16 2010 From: ijmccall at yahoo.com (Ian McCall) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 01:37:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [esp-r] H3K / XML / CSV Output Message-ID: <955728.25795.qm@web31810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello Fellow ESP-r Community, 1) I have recently been playing with the H3K / XML / CSV Output on the ESP-r native windows version. I ran the simulation at time steps of 20 minutes. When I look at the results file > sensible heating load ... I get a total value and list of values that look reasonable. #Time BasseHeatInj(kW) '00:30:30' 3.44 '01:30:30' 3.76 '02:30:30' 3.94 '03:30:30' 4.00 '04:30:30' 3.95 '05:30:30' 3.93 '06:30:30' 3.80 '07:30:30' 3.73 '08:30:30' 3.74 '09:30:30' 3.75 '10:30:30' 3.70 When I look at the CVS file the total supplied energy is the same as the above results file, but the individual hourly values fluctuate considerably and they do not match the sensible hourly heating requirements of the results file. > building/all_zones/supplied_energy/net_flux: Net heat/cooling supplied to the >building (all zones). (kW) > 2.77 4.75 3.13 4.87 3.03 4.83 2.78 4.68 2.79 4.71 2.70 4.50 I have confirmed that these fluctuations occurs with time-steps of 1 hour, 30 minutes and 20 minutes. It also occurs on ESP-r Linux version. Any ideas? 2) When I go into the >Integrated Simulation >H3K Reports Configuration the menu seems to have a several sensitivities: - I can enable the H3K Reports but I cannot dis-able the reports (i.e. H3K Reports >> enabled) ... normally a second click should disable the reports and close the menus (i.e. H3K Reports >> disabled). - There is no option of the output i.e. CVS or XLM (i.e. XSLT Formatted output) ... it seems to output both files at the same time. Is this intentional? (There could be other sensitivities in the menu that I am unaware of because I don't normally use the ESP-r Linux version.) Regards, Ian Ecole des Mines de Nantes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The switch "time step averaging" does not do what one might expect (at least I did), namely average the time steps to an hour. It averages the run time "present" and "future" values for each variable before output. So, the only basis for comparison would be "do not integrate time step values" for res. What kind of control do you have? 2) h3k output is controlled by the input.xml file. Via the menu you can (basically) set this up. As far as I know, both .csv (time step results) and .xml (summary results) are always generated. Best Achim --------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: "Ian McCall" An: "ESP-r" Cc: "Jon Hand" Betreff: [esp-r] H3K / XML / CSV Output Datum: 25/08/10 11:39 Hello Fellow ESP-r Community, 1) I have recently been playing with the H3K / XML / CSV Output on the ESP-r native windows version. I ran the simulation at time steps of 20 minutes. When I look at the results file > sensible heating load ... I get a total value and list of values that look reasonable. #Time BasseHeatInj(kW) '00:30:30'?????? 3.44 '01:30:30'?????? 3.76 '02:30:30'?????? 3.94 '03:30:30'?????? 4.00 '04:30:30'?????? 3.95 '05:30:30'?????? 3.93 '06:30:30'?????? 3.80 '07:30:30'?????? 3.73 '08:30:30'?????? 3.74 '09:30:30'?????? 3.75 '10:30:30'?????? 3.70 When I look at the CVS file the total supplied energy is the same as the above results file, but the individual hourly values fluctuate considerably and they do not match the sensible hourly heating requirements of the results file. > building/all_zones/supplied_energy/net_flux: Net heat/cooling supplied to the building (all zones). (kW) 2.77 4.75 3.13 4.87 3.03 4.83 2.78 4.68 2.79 4.71 2.70 4.50 I have confirmed that these fluctuations occurs with time-steps of 1 hour, 30 minutes and 20 minutes. It also occurs on ESP-r Linux version. Any ideas? 2) When I go into the >Integrated Simulation >H3K Reports Configuration the menu seems to have a several sensitivities: - I can enable the H3K Reports but I cannot dis-able the reports (i.e. H3K Reports >> enabled) ... normally a second click should disable the reports and close the menus (i.e. H3K Reports >> disabled). - There is no option of the output i.e. CVS or XLM (i.e. XSLT Formatted output) ... it seems to output both files at the same time. Is this intentional? (There could be other sensitivities in the menu that I am unaware of because I don't normally use the ESP-r Linux version.) 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100825/34bd04d9/attachment.html From ijmccall at yahoo.com Wed Aug 25 15:32:07 2010 From: ijmccall at yahoo.com (Ian McCall) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 07:32:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [esp-r] Res: AW: H3K / XML / CSV Output In-Reply-To: <23d988640492569c3071092332b30ac8@212.203.77.246> References: <23d988640492569c3071092332b30ac8@212.203.77.246> Message-ID: <680942.14576.qm@web31803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello Achim (& Fellow ESP-r's), Thanks for the below explanations. 1) My control is super simple for this model > Basic Control > Heating Set-point of 19 C. How does the heating system work? Would the size (or more specifically the oversizing) of the heating system affect the basic control? Can it be regulated or is it either "on" / "off"? Would oversizing account for the below fluctuations? You mentioned "do not integrate time step values" for the results file. Is this option available? If it does exist can you help me find it? What I do to display information is: > Results Analysis > Time-step reports > preformance metrics > heating / cool / >humidify > Sensible heating load > I output the information to a file. None of the following Data Display options give me what I want: > Data Display options: (currently variable) - integrated - - rate of change of variable - - variable - - continue - 2) Thanks for the clarification ... CSV & XML are always produced with the H3K option ... I think there still exists a menu sensitivity in the Native Windows Version that does not appear in the Linux Version. (This one is probably for Jon). Regards, Ian ________________________________ De: Achim.geissler Para: IanMcCall ; ESP-r Cc: JonHand Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 25 de Agosto de 2010 12:20:36 Assunto: AW: [esp-r] H3K / XML / CSV Output Hi Ian some thoughts: 1) res gives output for either timestep values or hourly, depending on your choice in prj. The h3k output, however, is always the time step. The switch "time step averaging" does not do what one might expect (at least I did), namely average the time steps to an hour. It averages the run time "present" and "future" values for each variable before output. So, the only basis for comparison would be "do not integrate time step values" for res. What kind of control do you have? 2) h3k output is controlled by the input.xml file. Via the menu you can (basically) set this up. As far as I know, both .csv (time step results) and .xml (summary results) are always generated. Best Achim --------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: "Ian McCall" An: "ESP-r" Cc: "Jon Hand" Betreff: [esp-r] H3K / XML / CSV Output Datum: 25/08/10 11:39 Hello Fellow ESP-r Community, 1) I have recently been playing with the H3K / XML / CSV Output on the ESP-r native windows version. I ran the simulation at time steps of 20 minutes. When I look at the results file > sensible heating load ... I get a total value and list of values that look reasonable. #Time BasseHeatInj(kW) '00:30:30' 3.44 '01:30:30' 3.76 '02:30:30' 3.94 '03:30:30' 4.00 '04:30:30' 3.9! 5 '05:30:30' 3.93 '06:30:30' 3.80 '07:30:30' 3.73 '08:30:30' 3.74 '09:30:30' 3.75 '10:30:30' 3.70 When I look at the CVS file the total supplied energy is the same as the above results file, but the individual hourly values fluctuate considerably and they do not match the sensible hourly heating requirements of the results file. > building/all_zones/supplied_energy/net_flux: Net heat/cooling supplied to the >building (all zones). (kW) > 2.77 4.75 3.13 4.87 3.03 4.83 2.78 4.68 2.79 4.71 2.70 4.50 I have confirmed that these fluctuations occurs with time-steps of 1 hour, 30 minutes and 20 minutes. It! also occurs on ESP-r Linux version. Any ideas? 2) When I go into the >Integrated Simulation >H3K Reports Configuration the menu seems to have a several sensitivities: - I can enable the H3K Reports but I cannot dis-able the reports (i.e. H3K Reports >> enabled) ... normally a second click should disable the reports and close the menus (i.e. H3K Reports >> disabled). - There is no option of the output i.e. CVS or XLM (i.e. XSLT Formatted output) ... it seems to output both files at the same time. Is this intentional? (There could be other sensitivities in the menu that I am unaware of because I don't normally use the ESP-r Linux version.) Regards, Ian Ecole des Mines de Nantes ________________________________ _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100825/25d5ec7a/attachment-0001.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Wed Aug 25 16:43:43 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim.geissler) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:43:43 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Res: AW: H3K / XML / CSV Output Message-ID: <4d0cc1e5cafef6fc02280289b29c4d16@212.203.77.246> Hi Ian the "do not integrate" must be set in prj before you simulate. When you change the time step (number of time steps per hour), prj asks if every time step or hourly values should be saved. Here you say "every time step". Oversizing may influence the simulation depending on time step. If enough power is available, any temperature change can be egalized in one time step. If not enough power is available, it may take more than one time step. Of course, this will also depend on time steps. Best Achim --------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: "Ian McCall" An: "ESP-r" , "Achim.geissler" Cc: "Jon Hand" Betreff: [esp-r] Res: AW: H3K / XML / CSV Output Datum: 25/08/10 17:33 Hello Achim (& Fellow ESP-r's), Thanks for the below explanations. 1)??My control is super simple for this model > Basic Control > Heating Set-point of 19 C. How does the heating system work? Would the size (or more specifically the oversizing) of the heating system affect the basic control? Can it be regulated or is it either "on" / "off"? Would oversizing account for the below fluctuations? You mentioned "do not integrate time step values" for the results file. Is this option available? If it does exist can you help me find it? What I do to display information is: > Results Analysis > Time-step reports > preformance metrics > heating / cool / humidify > Sensible heating load > I output the information to a file. None of the following Data Display options give me what I want: > Data Display options: (currently variable) - integrated - - rate of change of variable - - variable - - continue - 2) Thanks for the clarification ... CSV & XML are always produced with the H3K option ... I think there still exists a menu sensitivity in the Native Windows Version that does not appear in the Linux Version. (This one is probably for Jon). Regards, Ian De: Achim.geissler Para: IanMcCall ; ESP-r Cc: JonHand Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 25 de Agosto de 2010 12:20:36 Assunto: AW: [esp-r] H3K / XML / CSV Output Hi Ian some thoughts: 1) res gives output for either timestep values or hourly, depending on your choice in prj. The h3k output, however, is always the time step. The switch "time step averaging" does not do what one might expect (at least I did), namely average the time steps to an hour. It averages the run time "present" and "future" values for each variable before output. So, the only basis for comparison would be "do not integrate time step values" for res. What kind of control do you have? 2) h3k output is controlled by the input.xml file. Via the menu you can (basically) set this up. As far as I know, both .csv (time step results) and .xml (summary results) are always generated. Best Achim --------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: "Ian McCall" An: "ESP-r" Cc: "Jon Hand" Betreff: [esp-r] H3K / XML / CSV Output Datum: 25/08/10 11:39 Hello Fellow ESP-r Community, 1) I have recently been playing with the H3K / XML / CSV Output on the ESP-r native windows version. I ran the simulation at time steps of 20 minutes. When I look at the results file > sensible heating load ... I get a total value and list of values that look reasonable. #Time BasseHeatInj(kW) '00:30:30'?????? 3.44 '01:30:30'?????? 3.76 '02:30:30'?????? 3.94 '03:30:30'?????? 4.00 '04:30:30'?????? 3.9! 5 '05:30:30'?????? 3.93 '06:30:30'?????? 3.80 '07:30:30'?????? 3.73 '08:30:30'?????? 3.74 '09:30:30'?????? 3.75 '10:30:30'?????? 3.70 When I look at the CVS file the total supplied energy is the same as the above results file, but the individual hourly values fluctuate considerably and they do not match the sensible hourly heating requirements of the results file. > building/all_zones/supplied_energy/net_flux: Net heat/cooling supplied to the building (all zones). (kW) 2.77 4.75 3.13 4.87 3.03 4.83 2.78 4.68 2.79 4.71 2..70 4.50 I have confirmed that these fluctuations occurs with time-steps of 1 hour, 30 minutes and 20 minutes. It! also occurs on ESP-r Linux version. Any ideas? 2) When I go into the >Integrated Simulation >H3K Reports Configuration the menu seems to have a several sensitivities: - I can enable the H3K Reports but I cannot dis-able the reports (i.e. H3K Reports >> enabled) ... normally a second click should disable the reports and close the menus (i.e. H3K Reports >> disabled). - There is no option of the output i.e. CVS or XLM (i.e. XSLT Formatted output) ... it seems to output both files at the same time. Is this intentional? (There could be other sensitivities in the menu that I am unaware of because I don't normally use the ESP-r Linux version.) 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100825/3e048496/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Aug 26 15:25:22 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 15:25:22 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] New version of the ESP-r Cookbook is now available for download Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413014619E1C755@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Summary of changes in the ESP-r Cookbook A new release of the ESP-r Cookbook has been released. Several chapters have been updated to reflect changes in ESP-r and new topics have been added. Below is a summary: Chapter 6 Climate data now includes a discussion of best-fit periods and seasonal scaling as well as revised procedures for importing EPW files. Chapter 8 Thermophysical resolution has been extended to cover shading and insolation predictions as well as view-factor calculations and radiant sensors (and there is a new ESP-r exemplar that you can work with). Chapter 9 Preparation for simulation now discusses the use of simulation parameter sets with a new section on Integrated Performance Views. Chapter 14 Working procedures has been substantially re-written and includes new sections on computational infrastructure, role of support staff and simulation tool selection (for groups using multiple tools). Chapter 15 Model quality now includes an expanded section on interpreting model contents reports and a new section on semantic checks of model performance predictions. The new topics should be of particular interest to any group who is seriously using simulation to address real-time design issues. Ideas should be applicable to a range of simulation tool (and slightly paranoid practitioners). Look on the http://www.strath.ac.uk/esru/ software page.... http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/Programs/ESP-r.htm for the user's guide link (a bit over 5Mb PDF file). Note that the Korean and Italian versions have not yet been updated. Regards, Jon Hand Senior Research Officer, Department of Mechanical Engineering, Univ Strathclyde, Glasgow From koji_takemasa at me.com Sat Aug 21 11:30:18 2010 From: koji_takemasa at me.com (=?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCSXBALxsoQiAbJEI5JzwjGyhC?=) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 19:30:18 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] Unstable numerical result Message-ID: Hi. I calculated some patterns by using ESP-r to want to know the reason to generate an error. I used climatic data of Tokyo and clm67 to calculate. And, I used standard Construction data base and Construction data base that I had made for the calculation. The numerical result assumed to be pdf file was appended. Moreover, the graph was appended. Koji Takemasa ( Dr. Eng. ) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A window with an X appears with only a "close" button and the simulator displays the next message: cannot locate appropriate day type no valid day type for year-day That's my question, many many thanks in advance. Greetings Rodrigo Narv?ez S. *Architect* *Master in sustainable design and construction candidate* *Universidad del Desarrollo* *Chile* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100821/b1820ec4/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Sun Aug 29 16:59:34 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 17:59:34 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Unstable numerical result In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Koji Tokemasa there would seem to be two possible sources of problems - your Tokyo file and your constructions. As your constructions lead to some kind of error (the fort.0 file?), the question would be what is the actual difference between your constructions and those from the standard data base you used? E.g. the product density*specific heat capacity should be larger than approx. 100 to avoid problems, as far as I recall. Have you re-imported the climate file in some type of graphing program and looked at the data in detail in the vicinity of the numerical problems? Or taken a hard look at the ascii file in that vicinity? Best Achim On Aug 21, 2010, at 12:30 PM, ?? ?? wrote: > Hi. > > I calculated some patterns by using ESP-r to want to know the reason > to generate an error. > > I used climatic data of Tokyo and clm67 to calculate. And, I used > standard Construction data base and Construction data base that I > had made for the calculation. > > The numerical result assumed to be pdf file was appended. Moreover, > the graph was appended. > > Koji Takemasa ( Dr. Eng. ) > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Sun Aug 29 17:03:13 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 18:03:13 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Network Flow crashes with message: "cannot locate appropriate day type" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2DDE1450-3ED2-48AC-B307-8D64211BD734@intergga.ch> Dear Rodrigo did you cover all year with valid controls? I'm not sure, but I think it possible that the "period of validity" does not work in general. In any case I recall also having trouble with this. Possibly having a "winter control" and a "summer control" and running the simulation twice and using the results from the appropriate run is a (not very nice) work-around. Best Achim On Aug 22, 2010, at 4:11 AM, Rodrigo Narv?ez Sotomayor wrote: > Dear All: > > Currently I am working on a project with a network flow with > controls, specifically to simulate windows opening in the summer > time only. They work fine only when I leave the "Period of Vality" > of their control loops from 1 1 to 31 12 (whole year), but whenever > I try to change it to any other period (my need is 1 1 to 31 3) the > integrated simulator crashes when launching the simulation. A window > with an X appears with only a "close" button and the simulator > displays the next message: > > cannot locate appropriate day type > no valid day type for year-day > > That's my question, many many thanks in advance. > > Greetings > > Rodrigo Narv?ez S. > Architect > Master in sustainable design and construction candidate > Universidad del Desarrollo > Chile > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They work fine only when I leave the "Period of Vality" > of their control loops from 1 1 to 31 12 (whole year), but whenever > I try to change it to any other period (my need is 1 1 to 31 3) the > integrated simulator crashes when launching the simulation. A window > with an X appears with only a "close" button and the simulator > displays the next message: > > cannot locate appropriate day type > no valid day type for year-day > > That's my question, many many thanks in advance. > > Greetings > > Rodrigo Narv?ez S. > Architect > Master in sustainable design and construction candidate > Universidad del Desarrollo > Chile > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100829/b1026392/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Aug 30 09:06:57 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 09:06:57 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Unstable numerical result In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41301461B70DAD7@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A quick test would be to run this simulation again using 4 or 10 time-steps per hour. Your constructions might include very thin or very thick layers causing some difficulty for the solver. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Achim Geissler [achim.geissler at intergga.ch] Sent: 29 August 2010 16:59 To: ?? ?? Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Unstable numerical result Hi Koji Tokemasa there would seem to be two possible sources of problems - your Tokyo file and your constructions. As your constructions lead to some kind of error (the fort.0 file?), the question would be what is the actual difference between your constructions and those from the standard data base you used? E.g. the product density*specific heat capacity should be larger than approx. 100 to avoid problems, as far as I recall. Have you re-imported the climate file in some type of graphing program and looked at the data in detail in the vicinity of the numerical problems? Or taken a hard look at the ascii file in that vicinity? Best Achim On Aug 21, 2010, at 12:30 PM, ?? ?? wrote: > Hi. > > I calculated some patterns by using ESP-r to want to know the reason > to generate an error. > > I used climatic data of Tokyo and clm67 to calculate. And, I used > standard Construction data base and Construction data base that I > had made for the calculation. > > The numerical result assumed to be pdf file was appended. Moreover, > the graph was appended. > > Koji Takemasa ( Dr. Eng. ) > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From roberta.pischetola at libero.it Wed Sep 1 14:06:05 2010 From: roberta.pischetola at libero.it (roberta.pischetola at libero.it) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 15:06:05 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [esp-r] optics in geo file... Message-ID: <11475861.3047821283346365291.JavaMail.root@wmail52> Dear all, I created some files with ESP-r (version for Linux). I changed some properties in construction's database and I insert some windows; but now, when I open the file, the program says: optics in geo file DCF6741_06n does not match optics of the MLC Glaz_t.... I tried to delete the windows that I have created, but ESP-r says me the same lines. What does it means? what is my mistake? Can someone help me? thanks. Regards. Pischetola Roberta -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100901/3aeb8734/attachment.html From posta-nicola at hotmail.it Sat Sep 4 08:37:17 2010 From: posta-nicola at hotmail.it (nicola della grazia) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 09:37:17 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Optical properties Message-ID: Dear all, I'm using Linux version of ESP-r. I have a problem with "optical properties", because I want to add a new item in optical properties:/opt/esru/esp-r/databases/optics.db2, but ESP-r shows this sign: ?Could not find /opt/esru/esp-r/databases/tmpopt?. I follow this procedure: 1) I open /opt/esru/esp-r/databases/optics.db2 2) I don?t want to import Window 5 or WIS optical properties, so I want to ?Add? new optical properties 3) I choose one of ?Typical glazing types? (i.e. ?Out|glass|air|blind|Inside?) 4) I put in optical properties of my glazing system 5) When I finish to put optical properties, I want to exit this menu, but ESP-r shows this sign: ?Could not find /opt/esru/esp-r/databases/tmpopt". Besides I find a file tmpopt on my desktop. How can I add my optical properties? thanks. Regards. Della Grazia Nicola -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100904/3ba607d1/attachment.html From gunnar.thoele at zebau.de Sat Sep 4 21:38:06 2010 From: gunnar.thoele at zebau.de (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Gunnar_Th=F6le?=) Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2010 22:38:06 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Cannot read CFD results file into results analysis Message-ID: <4C82AE2E.4050101@zebau.de> Hello fellow esp-r-users, The ESP-R cookbook says "CFD in esp-r has a steep learning curve and consumes huge amounts of brain and computing power". This is very true and i need some help on the first (steepest?) step of the learning curve. Running esp-r 11.9 on an Ubuntu machine, I took one of the exemplars from "air movement" which includes a CFD domain. I browsed the model to see how CFD is set up. I invoked the simulation. It used a lot of computing power, as the cookbook said. It also printed stuff about residuals etc. The simulation produced a CFD results file which strangely has a default filename of "libc". So far so good. Now i'd like to run results analysis on the CFD library. Running res works fine, produces results from the building simulation. Selecting "CFD" in main menu asks me for a path to the CFD results library. I enter a correct full path to the cfd results file and esp-r tells me "cannot find libc". Whatever i do to load the CFD results i fail with "cannot find ". What did i do wrong? Are the cfd exemplars supposed to actually work? Thanks for any help, Gunnar -- i.A. Dipl.-Ing. Gunnar Th?le ZEBAU GmbH - Zentrum f?r Energie, Bauen, Architektur und Umwelt Gro?e Elbstra?e 146 22767 Hamburg fon: 040_380 384_12 fax: 040_380 384_29 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Peter-M. Friemert Aufsichtsratsvorsitz: Dr. Oliver Weinmann Registergericht: Amtsgericht Hamburg Registernummer: HRB 77705 www.zebau.de From hee1 at dasskorea.com Mon Sep 6 05:26:18 2010 From: hee1 at dasskorea.com (=?EUC-KR?B?x9G8vMjx?=) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 13:26:18 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Optical properties In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear all May I ask you onething ? In the Metafile of ESP-r, there are results below as *start_xml building/month building/all_zones/supplied_energy/heating building/all_zones/supplied_energy/cooling building/all_zones/envelope/infiltration/heat_gain building/all_zones/envelope/infiltration/heat_loss building/all_zones/internal_gains/useful building/all_zones/insolation/useful building/all_zones/thermal_loads/heating/total building/all_zones/thermal_loads/cooling/total building/all_zones/envelope/infiltration/heat_gain building/all_zones/envelope/infiltration/heat_loss building/all_zones/envelope/infiltration/net_flux building/all_zones/envelope/walls/net_flux building/all_zones/envelope/windows/net_flux building/all_zones/envelope/all_components/heat_loss building/all_zones/thermal_loads/net building/all_zones/energy_balance/net building/all_zones/envelope/windows/heat_gain building/all_zones/envelope/windows/heat_loss building/all_zones/envelope/walls/heat_loss building/all_zones/envelope/walls/heat_gain building/all_zones/envelope/foundation/heat_loss building/all_zones/envelope/foundation/heat_gain building/all_zones/envelope/floors/heat_gain building/all_zones/envelope/floors/heat_loss building/all_zones/envelope/ceilings/heat_loss building/all_zones/envelope/ceilings/heat_gain building/zone_*/supplied_energy/heating_Perm2 building/zone_*/supplied_energy/cooling_Perm2 building/zone_*/thermal_loads/heating/total_Perm2 building/zone_*/thermal_loads/cooling/total_Perm2 *end_xml Would you please let me know what represents the values of "Sensible Cooling" and "Sensible Heating" at the category of 'energy delivered' which is under 'resluts analysis' category on ESP-r? Regards Hee -- Han Sehee / Team Manager Design and Simulation for Sustainability(DASS) Solutions Ltd. 4F WooAm Building, #355-22 Seogyo-dong, Mapo-gu, Seoul, Rep. of Korea (Post Code: 121-838) T: +82 2 913 2585 F: +82 2 949 2585 M: +82 10 5095 8155 www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100906/5964dff7/attachment.html From roberta.pischetola at libero.it Mon Sep 6 10:39:52 2010 From: roberta.pischetola at libero.it (roberta.pischetola at libero.it) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 11:39:52 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [esp-r] shading&insolation Message-ID: <22697061.2828041283765992554.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Dear all, I use the version for Linux. I have to study the solar radiation on each surface of my model. Can I visualize this property with ESP-r? Is it in insolation analysis in each climatic zone? When I invoke the shading&insolation analysis, the calculation about the insolation is done only for some surfaces. I can?t understand which of surfaces are examined. Can someone help me? Thanks. Best regards. Roberta Pischetola -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100906/1148ab01/attachment.html From manzan at units.it Mon Sep 6 10:48:47 2010 From: manzan at units.it (Marco Manzan) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 11:48:47 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: esp-r Digest, Vol 50, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201009061148.47265.manzan@units.it> Alle mercoled? 1 settembre 2010, esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk ha scritto: > Send esp-r mailing list submissions to > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk > > You can reach the person managing the list at > esp-r-owner at lists.strath.ac.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of esp-r digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. optics in geo file... (roberta.pischetola at libero.it) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 15:06:05 +0200 (CEST) > From: "roberta.pischetola at libero.it" > Subject: [esp-r] optics in geo file... > To: > Message-ID: <11475861.3047821283346365291.JavaMail.root at wmail52> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > Dear all, > > I created some files with ESP-r (version for Linux). > > I changed some properties in construction's database and I insert some > windows; but now, when I open the file, the program says: > > optics in geo file DCF6741_06n does not match optics of the MLC > Glaz_t.... > > > > I tried to delete the windows that I have created, but ESP-r says me the > same lines. > > > > What does it means? what is my mistake? > > Can someone help me? > > > > thanks. > > Regards. > > > > Pischetola Roberta > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100901/3aeb8734/atta >chment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > End of esp-r Digest, Vol 50, Issue 1 > ************************************ dear Roberta for some reason the information contained in the zone geometry file (*.geo) and the one contained in transparent construction file (*tmc) do not correspond. You have to respecify the construction used for your window: browse/ edit/ simulate -> composition -> geometry & attribution -> (your zone) -> surface attributes -> (your surface) -> construction -> (pop up: view your constr) no -> (pop up: modify your constr) yes -> (select a transparent construction) -> exit -> exit -> etc.. when asked to update zone construction and/or TMC remember to say yes. Marco -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria Meccanica | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |via A. Valerio 10, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| From hee1 at dasskorea.com Mon Sep 6 10:13:34 2010 From: hee1 at dasskorea.com (=?EUC-KR?B?x9G8vMjx?=) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 18:13:34 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] [ESP-r] results of Metafile Message-ID: Dear all May I ask you onething ? In the Metafile of ESP-r, there are results below as *start_xml building/month building/all_zones/supplied_energy/heating building/all_zones/supplied_energy/cooling building/all_zones/envelope/infiltration/heat_gain building/all_zones/envelope/infiltration/heat_loss building/all_zones/internal_gains/useful building/all_zones/insolation/useful building/all_zones/thermal_loads/heating/total building/all_zones/thermal_loads/cooling/total building/all_zones/envelope/infiltration/heat_gain building/all_zones/envelope/infiltration/heat_loss building/all_zones/envelope/infiltration/net_flux building/all_zones/envelope/walls/net_flux building/all_zones/envelope/windows/net_flux building/all_zones/envelope/all_components/heat_loss building/all_zones/thermal_loads/net building/all_zones/energy_balance/net building/all_zones/envelope/windows/heat_gain building/all_zones/envelope/windows/heat_loss building/all_zones/envelope/walls/heat_loss building/all_zones/envelope/walls/heat_gain building/all_zones/envelope/foundation/heat_loss building/all_zones/envelope/foundation/heat_gain building/all_zones/envelope/floors/heat_gain building/all_zones/envelope/floors/heat_loss building/all_zones/envelope/ceilings/heat_loss building/all_zones/envelope/ceilings/heat_gain building/zone_*/supplied_energy/heating_Perm2 building/zone_*/supplied_energy/cooling_Perm2 building/zone_*/thermal_loads/heating/total_Perm2 building/zone_*/thermal_loads/cooling/total_Perm2 *end_xml Would you please let me know what represents the values of "Sensible Cooling" and "Sensible Heating" at the category of 'energy delivered' which is under 'resluts analysis' category on ESP-r? Regards Hee -- Han Sehee / Team Manager Design and Simulation for Sustainability(DASS) Solutions Ltd. 4F WooAm Building, #355-22 Seogyo-dong, Mapo-gu, Seoul, Rep. of Korea (Post Code: 121-838) T: +82 2 913 2585 F: +82 2 949 2585 M: +82 10 5095 8155 www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100906/8fd62b2a/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 13:35:31 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 13:35:31 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: shading&insolation In-Reply-To: <22697061.2828041283765992554.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> References: <22697061.2828041283765992554.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41301461B70DB07@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Some of these questions are dealt with in the new section of the latest ESP-r Cookbook. Download the pdf from the ESRU web site and see if that clarifies the issue. Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of roberta.pischetola at libero.it [roberta.pischetola at libero.it] Sent: 06 September 2010 10:39 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] shading&insolation Dear all, I use the version for Linux. I have to study the solar radiation on each surface of my model. Can I visualize this property with ESP-r? Is it in insolation analysis in each climatic zone? When I invoke the shading&insolation analysis, the calculation about the insolation is done only for some surfaces. I can?t understand which of surfaces are examined. Can someone help me? Thanks. Best regards. Roberta Pischetola From Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn Mon Sep 6 13:39:21 2010 From: Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn (Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 20:39:21 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] Re: [ESP-r] results of Metafile In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <076B831E3BD70140B69F1D47DF456F4A213CBFF030@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn> Hi Hee, I believe that the results you are looking for are: building/all_zones/supplied_energy/heating building/all_zones/supplied_energy/cooling These are hourly loads, so you need to sum them up over your simulation period to get the res output of the "energy delivered option (i.e. sum your 8760 values for an annual simulation and divide by 1000 to convert to kWh). We have made simple macros in the past that do this post-processing automatically in Excel (Min has also the files or I could you an example if you need to have a look). You could confirm all this by running your existing ESP-r model with save level 2 or 4 instead of 5 and compare the results. Regards, Georgios ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? [hee1 at dasskorea.com] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 5:13 PM To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] [ESP-r] results of Metafile Dear all May I ask you onething ? In the Metafile of ESP-r, there are results below as *start_xml building/month building/all_zones/supplied_energy/heating building/all_zones/supplied_energy/cooling building/all_zones/envelope/infiltration/heat_gain building/all_zones/envelope/infiltration/heat_loss building/all_zones/internal_gains/useful building/all_zones/insolation/useful building/all_zones/thermal_loads/heating/total building/all_zones/thermal_loads/cooling/total building/all_zones/envelope/infiltration/heat_gain building/all_zones/envelope/infiltration/heat_loss building/all_zones/envelope/infiltration/net_flux building/all_zones/envelope/walls/net_flux building/all_zones/envelope/windows/net_flux building/all_zones/envelope/all_components/heat_loss building/all_zones/thermal_loads/net building/all_zones/energy_balance/net building/all_zones/envelope/windows/heat_gain building/all_zones/envelope/windows/heat_loss building/all_zones/envelope/walls/heat_loss building/all_zones/envelope/walls/heat_gain building/all_zones/envelope/foundation/heat_loss building/all_zones/envelope/foundation/heat_gain building/all_zones/envelope/floors/heat_gain building/all_zones/envelope/floors/heat_loss building/all_zones/envelope/ceilings/heat_loss building/all_zones/envelope/ceilings/heat_gain building/zone_*/supplied_energy/heating_Perm2 building/zone_*/supplied_energy/cooling_Perm2 building/zone_*/thermal_loads/heating/total_Perm2 building/zone_*/thermal_loads/cooling/total_Perm2 *end_xml Would you please let me know what represents the values of "Sensible Cooling" and "Sensible Heating" at the category of 'energy delivered' which is under 'resluts analysis' category on ESP-r? Regards Hee -- Han Sehee / Team Manager Design and Simulation for Sustainability(DASS) Solutions Ltd. 4F WooAm Building, #355-22 Seogyo-dong, Mapo-gu, Seoul, Rep. of Korea (Post Code: 121-838) T: +82 2 913 2585 F: +82 2 949 2585 M: +82 10 5095 8155 www.dasskorea.com From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 13:39:22 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 13:39:22 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: [ESP-r] results of Metafile In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41301461B70DB08@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> The help message associate with this section of the results analysis module states: Enquire about:?> ? Help options: a) overview b) summary stats c) frequency table e) energy balances f) detailed stats g) monthly gain loss i) cancel ? f There are several reports which focus on a specific topic and these are: energy delivered - for each zone the delivered kWhrs of sensible heating, sensible cooling, humid- ification, dehumidification are reported as well as the number of hours each was active during the reporting period. . . . Some additional notes - sensible includes the radiant and convective part of the heat injection or extraction (the latent part is separatly reported). And kWhrs is energy over time delivered to the room. If you want to know the cost you should post-process the efficiency of the actual heating or cooling device. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? [hee1 at dasskorea.com] Sent: 06 September 2010 10:13 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] [ESP-r] results of Metafile Dear all May I ask you onething ? In the Metafile of ESP-r, there are results below as *start_xml building/month building/all_zones/supplied_energy/heating building/all_zones/supplied_energy/cooling building/all_zones/envelope/infiltration/heat_gain building/all_zones/envelope/infiltration/heat_loss building/all_zones/internal_gains/useful building/all_zones/insolation/useful building/all_zones/thermal_loads/heating/total building/all_zones/thermal_loads/cooling/total building/all_zones/envelope/infiltration/heat_gain building/all_zones/envelope/infiltration/heat_loss building/all_zones/envelope/infiltration/net_flux building/all_zones/envelope/walls/net_flux building/all_zones/envelope/windows/net_flux building/all_zones/envelope/all_components/heat_loss building/all_zones/thermal_loads/net building/all_zones/energy_balance/net building/all_zones/envelope/windows/heat_gain building/all_zones/envelope/windows/heat_loss building/all_zones/envelope/walls/heat_loss building/all_zones/envelope/walls/heat_gain building/all_zones/envelope/foundation/heat_loss building/all_zones/envelope/foundation/heat_gain building/all_zones/envelope/floors/heat_gain building/all_zones/envelope/floors/heat_loss building/all_zones/envelope/ceilings/heat_loss building/all_zones/envelope/ceilings/heat_gain building/zone_*/supplied_energy/heating_Perm2 building/zone_*/supplied_energy/cooling_Perm2 building/zone_*/thermal_loads/heating/total_Perm2 building/zone_*/thermal_loads/cooling/total_Perm2 *end_xml Would you please let me know what represents the values of "Sensible Cooling" and "Sensible Heating" at the category of 'energy delivered' which is under 'resluts analysis' category on ESP-r? Regards Hee -- Han Sehee / Team Manager Design and Simulation for Sustainability(DASS) Solutions Ltd. 4F WooAm Building, #355-22 Seogyo-dong, Mapo-gu, Seoul, Rep. of Korea (Post Code: 121-838) T: +82 2 913 2585 F: +82 2 949 2585 M: +82 10 5095 8155 www.dasskorea.com From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 13:44:10 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 13:44:10 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: esp-r Digest, Vol 50, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <201009061148.47265.manzan@units.it> References: , <201009061148.47265.manzan@units.it> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41301461B70DB09@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A question about optical properties.... Double check that the multi-layer construction has the correct name of the optical attribute. Go to a zone geometry and select the surface attributes menu and then look at one of the glazings in your room - does the construction and and the optical name match? You could try re-selecting the construction attribute name. Should also select to 'rebuild the zone construction files'. Lastly, generate a model QA report and look at the zone attributes and the construction summary at the end of the report. -Jon ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Marco Manzan [manzan at units.it] Sent: 06 September 2010 10:48 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: esp-r Digest, Vol 50, Issue 1 Alle mercoled? 1 settembre 2010, esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk ha scritto: > Send esp-r mailing list submissions to > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk > > You can reach the person managing the list at > esp-r-owner at lists.strath.ac.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of esp-r digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. optics in geo file... (roberta.pischetola at libero.it) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 15:06:05 +0200 (CEST) > From: "roberta.pischetola at libero.it" > Subject: [esp-r] optics in geo file... > To: > Message-ID: <11475861.3047821283346365291.JavaMail.root at wmail52> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > Dear all, > > I created some files with ESP-r (version for Linux). > > I changed some properties in construction's database and I insert some > windows; but now, when I open the file, the program says: > > optics in geo file DCF6741_06n does not match optics of the MLC > Glaz_t.... > > > > I tried to delete the windows that I have created, but ESP-r says me the > same lines. > > > > What does it means? what is my mistake? > > Can someone help me? > > > > thanks. > > Regards. > > > > Pischetola Roberta > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100901/3aeb8734/atta >chment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > End of esp-r Digest, Vol 50, Issue 1 > ************************************ dear Roberta for some reason the information contained in the zone geometry file (*.geo) and the one contained in transparent construction file (*tmc) do not correspond. You have to respecify the construction used for your window: browse/ edit/ simulate -> composition -> geometry & attribution -> (your zone) -> surface attributes -> (your surface) -> construction -> (pop up: view your constr) no -> (pop up: modify your constr) yes -> (select a transparent construction) -> exit -> exit -> etc.. when asked to update zone construction and/or TMC remember to say yes. Marco -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria Meccanica | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |via A. Valerio 10, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From woehrle at umt-ulm.de Mon Sep 6 14:01:22 2010 From: woehrle at umt-ulm.de (=?utf-8?B?SGVpa28gV8O2aHJsZQ==?=) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 15:01:22 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Crash when adding surface "made from existing verticies" In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41301461B70DB08@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41301461B70DB08@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <99BE149AB338E342A63612933E70F6CF2D6B3F@winsbs.umt-ulm.local> Hi all, i encountered a bug in the windows 11.9 gcc3 version: when trying to add a surface with "made from existing verticies" the program crashes. Tried a second pc with the same result (but same OS, same hardware...) Best regards, Heiko Woehrle > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Jon Hand > Gesendet: Montag, 6. September 2010 14:39 > An: ???; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Betreff: [esp-r] Re: [ESP-r] results of Metafile > > > The help message associate with this section of the results > analysis module states: > > Enquire about:?> ? > > Help options: a) overview b) summary stats c) frequency > table e) energy balances f) detailed stats g) monthly gain > loss i) cancel ? f There are several reports which focus on > a specific topic and these are: > > energy delivered - for each zone the delivered kWhrs > of sensible heating, sensible cooling, humid- > ification, dehumidification are reported as well > as the number of hours each was active during the > reporting period. > . . . > > Some additional notes - sensible includes the radiant and > convective part of the heat injection or extraction > (the latent part is separatly reported). And kWhrs is > energy over time delivered to the room. If you want to > know the cost you should post-process the efficiency of the > actual heating or cooling device. > > -Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? > [hee1 at dasskorea.com] > Sent: 06 September 2010 10:13 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] [ESP-r] results of Metafile > > Dear all > > May I ask you onething ? > In the Metafile of ESP-r, there are results below as > *start_xml building/month building/all_zones/supplied_energy/heating > building/all_zones/supplied_energy/cooling > building/all_zones/envelope/infiltration/heat_gain > building/all_zones/envelope/infiltration/heat_loss > building/all_zones/internal_gains/useful > building/all_zones/insolation/useful > building/all_zones/thermal_loads/heating/total > building/all_zones/thermal_loads/cooling/total > building/all_zones/envelope/infiltration/heat_gain > building/all_zones/envelope/infiltration/heat_loss > building/all_zones/envelope/infiltration/net_flux > building/all_zones/envelope/walls/net_flux > building/all_zones/envelope/windows/net_flux > building/all_zones/envelope/all_components/heat_loss > building/all_zones/thermal_loads/net > building/all_zones/energy_balance/net > building/all_zones/envelope/windows/heat_gain > building/all_zones/envelope/windows/heat_loss > building/all_zones/envelope/walls/heat_loss > building/all_zones/envelope/walls/heat_gain > building/all_zones/envelope/foundation/heat_loss > building/all_zones/envelope/foundation/heat_gain > building/all_zones/envelope/floors/heat_gain > building/all_zones/envelope/floors/heat_loss > building/all_zones/envelope/ceilings/heat_loss > building/all_zones/envelope/ceilings/heat_gain > building/zone_*/supplied_energy/heating_Perm2 > building/zone_*/supplied_energy/cooling_Perm2 > building/zone_*/thermal_loads/heating/total_Perm2 > building/zone_*/thermal_loads/cooling/total_Perm2 > *end_xml > > Would you please let me know what represents the values of > "Sensible Cooling" and "Sensible Heating" > at the category of 'energy delivered' which is under 'resluts > analysis' category on ESP-r? > > Regards > > Hee > > -- > Han Sehee / Team Manager > > Design and Simulation for Sustainability(DASS) Solutions Ltd. > 4F WooAm Building, #355-22 Seogyo-dong, Mapo-gu, Seoul, Rep. > of Korea (Post Code: 121-838) > > T: +82 2 913 2585 > F: +82 2 949 2585 > M: +82 10 5095 8155 > > www.dasskorea.com > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 17:16:11 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 17:16:11 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Crash when adding surface "made from existing verticies" In-Reply-To: <99BE149AB338E342A63612933E70F6CF2D6B3F@winsbs.umt-ulm.local> References: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41301461B70DB08@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk>, <99BE149AB338E342A63612933E70F6CF2D6B3F@winsbs.umt-ulm.local> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41301461B70DB0B@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> This is a known bug that was fixed after the version 11.9 version was created. I can upload a newer version installer to you that fixes this problem. -Jon ________________________________________ From: Heiko W?hrle [woehrle at umt-ulm.de] Sent: 06 September 2010 14:01 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Cc: Jon Hand Subject: Crash when adding surface "made from existing verticies" Hi all, i encountered a bug in the windows 11.9 gcc3 version: when trying to add a surface with "made from existing verticies" the program crashes. Tried a second pc with the same result (but same OS, same hardware...) Best regards, Heiko Woehrle > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Jon Hand > Gesendet: Montag, 6. September 2010 14:39 > An: ???; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Betreff: [esp-r] Re: [ESP-r] results of Metafile > > > The help message associate with this section of the results > analysis module states: > > Enquire about:?> ? > > Help options: a) overview b) summary stats c) frequency > table e) energy balances f) detailed stats g) monthly gain > loss i) cancel ? f There are several reports which focus on > a specific topic and these are: > > energy delivered - for each zone the delivered kWhrs > of sensible heating, sensible cooling, humid- > ification, dehumidification are reported as well > as the number of hours each was active during the > reporting period. > . . . > > Some additional notes - sensible includes the radiant and > convective part of the heat injection or extraction > (the latent part is separatly reported). And kWhrs is > energy over time delivered to the room. If you want to > know the cost you should post-process the efficiency of the > actual heating or cooling device. > > -Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? > [hee1 at dasskorea.com] > Sent: 06 September 2010 10:13 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] [ESP-r] results of Metafile > > Dear all > > May I ask you onething ? > In the Metafile of ESP-r, there are results below as > *start_xml building/month building/all_zones/supplied_energy/heating > building/all_zones/supplied_energy/cooling > building/all_zones/envelope/infiltration/heat_gain > building/all_zones/envelope/infiltration/heat_loss > building/all_zones/internal_gains/useful > building/all_zones/insolation/useful > building/all_zones/thermal_loads/heating/total > building/all_zones/thermal_loads/cooling/total > building/all_zones/envelope/infiltration/heat_gain > building/all_zones/envelope/infiltration/heat_loss > building/all_zones/envelope/infiltration/net_flux > building/all_zones/envelope/walls/net_flux > building/all_zones/envelope/windows/net_flux > building/all_zones/envelope/all_components/heat_loss > building/all_zones/thermal_loads/net > building/all_zones/energy_balance/net > building/all_zones/envelope/windows/heat_gain > building/all_zones/envelope/windows/heat_loss > building/all_zones/envelope/walls/heat_loss > building/all_zones/envelope/walls/heat_gain > building/all_zones/envelope/foundation/heat_loss > building/all_zones/envelope/foundation/heat_gain > building/all_zones/envelope/floors/heat_gain > building/all_zones/envelope/floors/heat_loss > building/all_zones/envelope/ceilings/heat_loss > building/all_zones/envelope/ceilings/heat_gain > building/zone_*/supplied_energy/heating_Perm2 > building/zone_*/supplied_energy/cooling_Perm2 > building/zone_*/thermal_loads/heating/total_Perm2 > building/zone_*/thermal_loads/cooling/total_Perm2 > *end_xml > > Would you please let me know what represents the values of > "Sensible Cooling" and "Sensible Heating" > at the category of 'energy delivered' which is under 'resluts > analysis' category on ESP-r? > > Regards > > Hee > > -- > Han Sehee / Team Manager > > Design and Simulation for Sustainability(DASS) Solutions Ltd. > 4F WooAm Building, #355-22 Seogyo-dong, Mapo-gu, Seoul, Rep. > of Korea (Post Code: 121-838) > > T: +82 2 913 2585 > F: +82 2 949 2585 > M: +82 10 5095 8155 > > www.dasskorea.com > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > From mgjm.jacobs at gmail.com Tue Sep 7 14:45:58 2010 From: mgjm.jacobs at gmail.com (Marco Jacobs) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 15:45:58 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Missing datawhile exporting to csv Message-ID: Dear all, I'm experiencing problems when exporting data from the result analysis module to a csv-file, using the tabular output facility. While trying to export data (about 14 columns over a whole year), the last few hours are missing. In most cases the export stops at december 29th or 30th, but it's not consistent in date or time. I'm using version 11.9 for Cygwin; A colleague of mine is experiencing the same problems with the same model, also a Cygwin/ESP-r 11.9 configuration. Are we doing something wrong? -- Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Marco Jacobs TNO-Building Brains WP3 - Smart Energy Systems Pillar Climate & Comfort http://www.buildingbrains.eu/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100907/6255f38c/attachment.html From mgjm.jacobs at gmail.com Tue Sep 7 14:52:46 2010 From: mgjm.jacobs at gmail.com (Marco Jacobs) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 15:52:46 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Optical controls/blind and shutter control Message-ID: Dear all, I'm trying to simulate controlled sunblinds, using the blind/shutter control. I have defined two separate optical properties for my glass facade. I'm telling the control to use the version with high solar admittance while ambient zone temperature is lower then my setpoint, and use the version with low solar admittance while ambient zone temperature is over my desired setpoint. However, studying the results it seems to me that this control might not be working. The results are not as expected, compared to the situations with no control. I did some simulations while using only high solar admittance or low solar admittance glazing. It looks like only the first rule of the control is invoked (high solar admittance). Could anybody tell me what might be wrong? -- Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Marco Jacobs TNO-Building Brains WP3 - Smart Energy Systems Pillar Climate & Comfort http://www.buildingbrains.eu/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100907/ce8c8e94/attachment.html From woehrle at umt-ulm.de Tue Sep 7 15:46:47 2010 From: woehrle at umt-ulm.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Heiko_W=F6hrle?=) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 16:46:47 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Missing datawhile exporting to csv / Optical controls/blind and shutter control In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99BE149AB338E342A63612933E70F6CF2D6B48@winsbs.umt-ulm.local> Hi Marco, Optical controls: Do you use the tmc (composition > construction > transparent layer ...) or the cfc (composition > complex fenestration)? If you send me the particular file (*.tmc or *.cfc) i'll take a look at it. Missing output: i'm experience the same problem since i use esp-r. cause i don't need whole year simulations i just extend the simulationperiod. if you need the whole year data maybe you can use the csv/xml export of the h3k. It's in the bps modul but i have no experience with it so far... Best regards, Heiko Woehrle um+t Umweltmanagement und -technik GmbH Adolph-Kolping-Platz 1 89073 Ulm Tel. 0731 / 50 99 5 52 Fax 0731 / 50 99 5 66 Mobil 0174 / 30 678 41 www.umt-ulm.de Sitz der Gesellschaft: Ulm / HRB 4954 Ulm GF: Thomas Hartmann ________________________________ Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Marco Jacobs Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. September 2010 15:46 An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: [esp-r] Missing datawhile exporting to csv Dear all, I'm experiencing problems when exporting data from the result analysis module to a csv-file, using the tabular output facility. While trying to export data (about 14 columns over a whole year), the last few hours are missing. In most cases the export stops at december 29th or 30th, but it's not consistent in date or time. I'm using version 11.9 for Cygwin; A colleague of mine is experiencing the same problems with the same model, also a Cygwin/ESP-r 11.9 configuration. Are we doing something wrong? -- Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Marco Jacobs TNO-Building Brains WP3 - Smart Energy Systems Pillar Climate & Comfort http://www.buildingbrains.eu/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100907/f6403fef/attachment.html From posta-nicola at hotmail.it Tue Sep 7 16:11:07 2010 From: posta-nicola at hotmail.it (nicola della grazia) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 17:11:07 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] window Message-ID: Dear all, I have two problems with the definition of the windows. 1) I want to import my optical properties from Window 5, but I had some problems. I created my window and I calculated optical properties. Now I have to save a file that I must load in ESP-r. So I have 3 possibilty for saving my optical properties and I don't know which to choose to load it on ESP-r: a) detailed b) DOE-2 c) Energy Plus I already tried to uload these file, but ESP-r doesn't update the file "detailed" and the file "Energy Plus". ESP-r loads DOE-2 but the loading is not complete because it stops. What is the procedure to load my window file? What kind of window file do I save? 2) I want to study summer behavior of my climate zone contemplating two different solutions: a) open window b) closed window So I impose in "WINDOW surface air leakage": open or closed, but after the two different simulation I get the same result, that is the result of the area with the windows closed. How can I contemplate the windows open? Thanks Regards Nicola Della Grazia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The conference theme is enabling a highly distributed energy future, focusing on the potential and role in future energy systems of thermal and electrical microgeneration technologies such as PV, solar thermal, heat pumps, micro CHP (including fuel cells), biomass boilers and micro wind. The conference is multi-disciplinary and is an invaluable opportunity for the many disparate stakeholders working in the field to meet and exchange knowledge at a time of rapid technological developments and changes to energy supplies and systems worldwide. Abstracts are welcome in the following areas: 1. developments in microgeneration and enabling technologies 2. integrating demand side management and microgeneration 3. practical experiences with microgeneration 4. impact of microgeneration at the large scale 1. modelling and technical analysis of microgeneration systems 2. the sustainability of microgeneration 3. societal impacts of microgeneration 4. policy and planning for microgeneration 5. microgeneration markets and economics Abstracts can be submitted via the conference website http://www.supergen-hidef.org/microgenII/ and should be no more than 500 words in length. The deadline for abstract submissions is September 10 2010. Submitted abstracts will be peer-reviewed and successful authors will be invited to submit their full paper. You can also register with the website to stay up-to-date with the latest developments. We look forward to receiving your submissions and welcoming you to Glasgow in 2011. 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If that works then ask for a report of 1 Jan to 27 december and past the two documents together to get the whole year. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Marco Jacobs [mgjm.jacobs at gmail.com] Sent: 07 September 2010 14:45 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Missing datawhile exporting to csv Dear all, I'm experiencing problems when exporting data from the result analysis module to a csv-file, using the tabular output facility. While trying to export data (about 14 columns over a whole year), the last few hours are missing. In most cases the export stops at december 29th or 30th, but it's not consistent in date or time. I'm using version 11.9 for Cygwin; A colleague of mine is experiencing the same problems with the same model, also a Cygwin/ESP-r 11.9 configuration. Are we doing something wrong? -- Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Marco Jacobs TNO-Building Brains WP3 - Smart Energy Systems Pillar Climate & Comfort http://www.buildingbrains.eu/ From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Sep 8 09:00:55 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:00:55 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Missing datawhile exporting to csv In-Reply-To: References: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41301461B70DB10@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk>, Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41301461B70DB13@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> The full file may not be written exactly when you think it is. ESP-r is making a request to the operating system when it asks to open and write and close files and the operating system will eventually do this (but sometimes not when we are expecting it). Interesting that it becomes available when the executable closes. Useful to know this. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: Marco Jacobs [mgjm.jacobs at gmail.com] Sent: 08 September 2010 08:40 To: Jon Hand Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: Re: [esp-r] Missing datawhile exporting to csv Jon, and others, After sending my message, I had another try yesterday evening. I noticed that esp-r for some reason still keeps the output file blocked (a read-only for other programs) until I end the result analysis module. After shutting down this module, I had another look at the results, and then all the output until 31st of december 23.30 was listed. So it does export the whole year, but for some reason only when the file isn't claimed by the analyser. Strange thing is that I can see most of the data in read only-mode, but not everything. Or is this just coincidence? Anybody experiencing the same? Kind Regards, Marco Jacobs 2010/9/7 Jon Hand > Interesting question. Some things to try out to see if they work: a) try exporting just the december data and see if it stops early b) try asking for a different period and see if it does all of the timesteps you requested c) try graphing the data and see if the graph completes ( you might have to focus on the last day to determine if it is drawing correctly). d) try exporting only 28-31 december. If that works then ask for a report of 1 Jan to 27 december and past the two documents together to get the whole year. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ Dear all, I'm experiencing problems when exporting data from the result analysis module to a csv-file, using the tabular output facility. While trying to export data (about 14 columns over a whole year), the last few hours are missing. In most cases the export stops at december 29th or 30th, but it's not consistent in date or time. I'm using version 11.9 for Cygwin; A colleague of mine is experiencing the same problems with the same model, also a Cygwin/ESP-r 11.9 configuration. Are we doing something wrong? -- Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Marco Jacobs TNO-Building Brains WP3 - Smart Energy Systems Pillar Climate & Comfort http://www.buildingbrains.eu/ -- Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Marco Jacobs TNO-Building Brains WP3 - Smart Energy Systems Pillar Climate & Comfort http://www.buildingbrains.eu/ From mgjm.jacobs at gmail.com Wed Sep 8 08:40:34 2010 From: mgjm.jacobs at gmail.com (Marco Jacobs) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:40:34 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Missing datawhile exporting to csv In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41301461B70DB10@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41301461B70DB10@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: Jon, and others, After sending my message, I had another try yesterday evening. I noticed that esp-r for some reason still keeps the output file blocked (a read-only for other programs) until I end the result analysis module. After shutting down this module, I had another look at the results, and then all the output until 31st of december 23.30 was listed. So it does export the whole year, but for some reason only when the file isn't claimed by the analyser. Strange thing is that I can see most of the data in read only-mode, but not everything. Or is this just coincidence? Anybody experiencing the same? Kind Regards, Marco Jacobs 2010/9/7 Jon Hand > > Interesting question. Some things to try out to see if they > work: > a) try exporting just the december data and see if it stops early > b) try asking for a different period and see if it does all of the > timesteps you requested > c) try graphing the data and see if the graph completes ( you might have to > focus on > the last day to determine if it is drawing correctly). > d) try exporting only 28-31 december. If that works then ask for a report > of 1 Jan to 27 december > and past the two documents together to get the whole year. > > -Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > > Dear all, > > I'm experiencing problems when exporting data from the result analysis > module to a csv-file, using the tabular output facility. > While trying to export data (about 14 columns over a whole year), the last > few hours are missing. In most cases the export stops at december 29th or > 30th, but it's not consistent in date or time. > I'm using version 11.9 for Cygwin; A colleague of mine is experiencing the > same problems with the same model, also a Cygwin/ESP-r 11.9 configuration. > > Are we doing something wrong? > > -- > Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, > > Marco Jacobs > > TNO-Building Brains > WP3 - Smart Energy Systems > Pillar Climate & Comfort > http://www.buildingbrains.eu/ > > -- Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Marco Jacobs TNO-Building Brains WP3 - Smart Energy Systems Pillar Climate & Comfort http://www.buildingbrains.eu/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100908/0bd7d340/attachment.html From jcarlos at ubi.pt Thu Sep 9 19:50:42 2010 From: jcarlos at ubi.pt (Jorge Carlos) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 18:50:42 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r Message-ID: <41C91282FE9EEF4884C27086FEBEC03308AB3234@uexhmbx02.ubi.pt> Dear Mr! I?m learning how to work with ESP-r to use it in further simulations? research but there is a problem right at the beginning. The input dimensions, as you can see in the attached file, was 5.500 3.350 2.700. In this case I?ve just changed the default values (5.000 3.000 2.700). The results became 5.0000 3.0000 2.0000. I?ve tried several different ways to introduce the geometry that I wanted, but the results were always the same. It seems that the program doesn?t accept of a number that are right from the dot. Can you help me about this? Thank you. Sincerely yours, Jorge S. Carlos Architect, Doctorate, Researcher C-MADE - Centre of Materials and Building Technologies UBI - University of Beira Interior - Covilh? - Portugal ________________________________ UBI amiga do ambiente: Antes de imprimir este e-mail pense bem se tem mesmo que o fazer. As ?rvores s?o um bem imprescind?vel. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100909/502043d5/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It is not clear from the image what operating system you are using `or what version of ESP-r you are using (such information would be very helpful). And there are several facilities available in ESP-r to allow you to modify a room which is not the correct size - look in the 'transforms' option in either the 'surface list' menu or you can edit the xyz values of the coordinates in the 'vertices' menu. You can see ideas about this in the ESP-r Cookbook. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jorge Carlos [jcarlos at ubi.pt] Sent: 09 September 2010 19:50 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r Dear Mr! I?m learning how to work with ESP-r to use it in further simulations? research but there is a problem right at the beginning. The input dimensions, as you can see in the attached file, was 5.500 3.350 2.700. In this case I?ve just changed the default values (5.000 3.000 2.700). The results became 5.0000 3.0000 2.0000. I?ve tried several different ways to introduce the geometry that I wanted, but the results were always the same. It seems that the program doesn?t accept of a number that are right from the dot. Can you help me about this? Thank you. Sincerely yours, Jorge S. Carlos Architect, Doctorate, Researcher C-MADE - Centre of Materials and Building Technologies UBI - University of Beira Interior - Covilh? - Portugal ________________________________ UBI amiga do ambiente: Antes de imprimir este e-mail pense bem se tem mesmo que o fazer. As ?rvores s?o um bem imprescind?vel. From rtheru at yahoo.com Fri Sep 10 09:15:35 2010 From: rtheru at yahoo.com (R- Theru) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 01:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [esp-r] Re: ESP-r (editing of initial room size) In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41301461B70DB2A@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41301461B70DB2A@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <796058.28728.qm@web51908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello, I had the same problem initially. The reason is indeed your computer's regional settings. If the standard decimal symbol for Portugal is a comma, ESP-r won't accept dot separated decimals. Even if you enter data with comma as a decimal symbol, ESP-r will still not accept it. You don't have to change the region on your system, just the decimal symbol under Control Panel>Regional Settings>Customize (at least for Windows systems). Hope this helps! ________________________________ From: Jon Hand To: Jorge Carlos ; "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" Sent: Fri, September 10, 2010 9:17:27 AM Subject: [esp-r] Re: ESP-r (editing of initial room size) A user sent a screen shot with an editing dialog... This is the first report of a vertex editing not accepting information after the dot. This task was recently done on several different machine types so it might be something related to your specific computer. We notice that the email address is Portugal - double check that your computer LOCALLE is set to a region where the decimal place is a dot rather than a comma. It is not clear from the image what operating system you are using `or what version of ESP-r you are using (such information would be very helpful). And there are several facilities available in ESP-r to allow you to modify a room which is not the correct size - look in the 'transforms' option in either the 'surface list' menu or you can edit the xyz values of the coordinates in the 'vertices' menu. You can see ideas about this in the ESP-r Cookbook. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jorge Carlos [jcarlos at ubi.pt] Sent: 09 September 2010 19:50 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r Dear Mr! I?m learning how to work with ESP-r to use it in further simulations? research but there is a problem right at the beginning. The input dimensions, as you can see in the attached file, was 5.500 3.350 2.700. In this case I?ve just changed the default values (5.000 3.000 2.700). The results became 5.0000 3.0000 2.0000. I?ve tried several different ways to introduce the geometry that I wanted, but the results were always the same. It seems that the program doesn?t accept of a number that are right from the dot. Can you help me about this? Thank you. Sincerely yours, Jorge S. Carlos Architect, Doctorate, Researcher C-MADE - Centre of Materials and Building Technologies UBI - University of Beira Interior - Covilh? - Portugal ________________________________ UBI amiga do ambiente: Antes de imprimir este e-mail pense bem se tem mesmo que o fazer. As ?rvores s?o um bem imprescind?vel. _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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ESP-r (Jorge Carlos) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 18:50:42 +0000 > From: Jorge Carlos > Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r > To: "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" > Message-ID: > <41C91282FE9EEF4884C27086FEBEC03308AB3234 at uexhmbx02.ubi.pt> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > > > Dear Mr! > > I?m learning how to work with ESP-r to use it in further > simulations? research but there is a problem right at the beginning. > The input dimensions, as you can see in the attached file, was 5.500 > 3.350 2.700. In this case I?ve just changed the default values > (5.000 3.000 2.700). The results became 5.0000 3.0000 2.0000. I?ve > tried several different ways to introduce the geometry that I > wanted, but the results were always the same. It seems that the > program doesn?t accept of a number that are right from the dot. Can > you help me about this? > > Thank you. > > Sincerely yours, > Jorge S. Carlos > Architect, Doctorate, Researcher > C-MADE - Centre of Materials and Building Technologies > UBI - University of Beira Interior - Covilh? - Portugal > > ________________________________ > > UBI amiga do ambiente: Antes de imprimir este e-mail pense bem se > tem mesmo que o fazer. As ?rvores s?o um bem imprescind?vel. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100909/502043d5/attachment.html > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: ESP-r_images.doc > Type: application/msword > Size: 127488 bytes > Desc: ESP-r_images.doc > Url : > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100909/502043d5/attachment.doc > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > End of esp-r Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7 > ************************************ > dear Jorge I think is a problem of internazionalization, that is you are from Portugal then decimal are comma separated, instead ESP-r accepts only dot separated decimals. This affects the linux GTK version, I don't know about the windos versions, but I know that others codes suffer from the same problem. So if you work on Linux issue the command "export LC_NUMERIC=C" on the shell before starting esp-r, if you work on windows you have to change the internationalization in control panel. hope this solves your problem bye Marco -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria Navale, del Mare e per l'Ambiente | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From ijmccall at yahoo.com Sun Sep 12 10:20:11 2010 From: ijmccall at yahoo.com (Ian McCall) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 02:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [esp-r] IPV - Error Message-ID: <638189.44274.qm@web31809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello ESP-r Users, I am using the IPV option on ESP-r windows native version. When I extract the respective reports interactively (extract silently does not work on windows) I always get an error at the end of the extraction that states "Error (***) opening the file C:\......\Nameipv.rep". When I open the "ipr.rep" file the report looks to be complete; there is the final summary information. Any ideas of why I get this error? Regards, Ian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Sun Sep 19 17:35:46 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 17:35:46 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: ESP-r11.9 crashes after data is input In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413016A4A6FD921@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> This is a known bug in the official release of 11.9 GTK version. If you have the development environment on your computer you could issue an 'svn update' command (if you are using the development_branch) and then recompile on Linux or OSX. There is a newer installer for Windows XP/Vista that we can upload to you if required. Hopefully there will be a BETA installer for XP/Vista up in the next few days. Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ?? ?? [koji_takemasa at me.com] Sent: 18 September 2010 11:00 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r11.9 crashes after data is input Hi. I am simulating with ESP-r11.9(GTK) now. ESP-11.9 crashes when I define surface in the building by using vertex. I selected (e surface list & edges), and, next, selected (+add/insert/copy/extrude_from). (a made from existing vertices) was chosen from the menu. And, ESP-r crashes when the top is input to the displayed screen, and the OK button is clicked. ESP-r that uses the X11 library can be executed without trouble. The message displayed in Terminal is as follows. Gtk-CRITICAL. **: gtk_entry_set_activates_default: assertion `GTK_IS_ENTRY(entry)' failed Regard. Koji Takemasa(Dr.Eng.) _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From roberta.pischetola at libero.it Fri Sep 24 12:54:07 2010 From: roberta.pischetola at libero.it (roberta.pischetola at libero.it) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:54:07 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [esp-r] climatic file Message-ID: <5289577.5739951285329247590.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Dear all, I have a problem with the conversion of climatic data. I use the version X11 for Ubuntu. I want to use the climatic data of Parma (Italian city). When I convert EPW file, and I control it, the temperature are all zeros. Why? How can I convert this file? Can someone convert it for me? I have also another problem: how can I impose a constant temperature in a climatic zone? Thanks. Pischetola Roberta -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I want to use the climatic data of Parma (Italian city). When I convert EPW file, and I control it, the temperature are all zeros. Why? How can I convert this file? Can someone convert it for me? ? I have also another problem: how can I?impose a constant temperature in a climatic zone? ? Thanks. Pischetola Roberta ? ? _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk (mailto:esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" class="autolink) http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r (http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r" target="_blank" class="autolink) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You need to be using the current version of ESP-r. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of roberta.pischetola at libero.it [roberta.pischetola at libero.it] Sent: 24 September 2010 12:54 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] climatic file Dear all, I have a problem with the conversion of climatic data. I use the version X11 for Ubuntu. I want to use the climatic data of Parma (Italian city). When I convert EPW file, and I control it, the temperature are all zeros. Why? How can I convert this file? Can someone convert it for me? I have also another problem: how can I impose a constant temperature in a climatic zone? Thanks. Pischetola Roberta From Leanne.Philip at SMU.CA Tue Sep 28 13:16:06 2010 From: Leanne.Philip at SMU.CA (Leanne Philip) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 09:16:06 -0300 Subject: [esp-r] finding green roof model in esp-r Message-ID: <000001cb5f06$ed0632c0$c7129840$%Philip@smu.ca> Greetings all, Our group are new esp-r users. We wish to confirm esp-r includes a model for green roof heat performance. Has anyone accessed this model or used it recently? Any tips would be much appreciated here. Regards, L. Philip Leanne J. Philip Postdoctoral Researcher Biology/Environmental Studies Saint Mary's University Halifax, Nova Scotia, CANADA B3H 3C3 902 420 5506 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100928/1baa0a77/attachment.html From Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn Tue Sep 28 14:22:22 2010 From: Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn (Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 21:22:22 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] Re: finding green roof model in esp-r In-Reply-To: <000001cb5f06$ed0632c0$c7129840$%Philip@smu.ca> References: <000001cb5f06$ed0632c0$c7129840$%Philip@smu.ca> Message-ID: <076B831E3BD70140B69F1D47DF456F4A22AF67D4DF@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn> Dear Leanne, As far as I am aware there is no easy and proper way to currently model green roofs in ESP-r. In the literature I see one attempt to do that with ESP-r and for only a specific case which was just modifying external convection. This is clearly not an adequate way to represent green roofs. I was looking into green roofs a lot lately. To be honest I do not think that there are many whole building tools that can properly define green roofs. I have only seen a detailed green roof component in EnergyPlus so far (and in DesignBuilder which is an interface and uses the same model) but it also has some limitations that do not fully satisfy my requirements. I am actually about to start developing a detailed model in ESP-r, which takes advantage of the ESP-r's structure (i.e. finite volumes) and it is based on a famous model from the literature. If everything goes well you will be able to use ESP-r for green roofs in the future. Best regards, Georgios ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Leanne Philip [Leanne.Philip at SMU.CA] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 8:16 PM To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] finding green roof model in esp-r Greetings all, Our group are new esp-r users. We wish to confirm esp-r includes a model for green roof heat performance. Has anyone accessed this model or used it recently? Any tips would be much appreciated here. Regards, L. Philip Leanne J. Philip Postdoctoral Researcher Biology/Environmental Studies Saint Mary's University Halifax, Nova Scotia, CANADA B3H 3C3 902 420 5506 From plume_et_papier at yahoo.fr Tue Sep 28 16:10:27 2010 From: plume_et_papier at yahoo.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9-Marie?=) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:10:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [esp-r] installing esp-r on OSX 10.6.4 Message-ID: <251716.25272.qm@web27007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> hi all I tried to install esp-r on macbook intel core 2 duo but experienced problems compiling the sources. So I download the 10.5 version of the compressed archive of esp-r on my new macbook intel core 2 duo and followed the readme. here is the error message i have: dyld: Library not loaded: /usr/local/lib/libgfortran.3.dylib Referenced from: /opt/esru/esp-r/bin/bps Reason: no suitable image found. Did find: /usr/local/lib/libgfortran.3.dylib: mach-o, but wrong architecture /usr/local/lib/libgfortran.3.dylib: mach-o, but wrong architecture Trace/BPT trap Can somebody help me overcome that installation process? Cordialement Andy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100928/75394fe1/attachment.html From eduardo.llcg at gmail.com Tue Sep 28 17:19:22 2010 From: eduardo.llcg at gmail.com (Eduardo Goncalves) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:19:22 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Simulation error Message-ID: Hello ESP-r world, Can anyone help me about this error? "MZLS3:error at record ****" My model has 54 zones and a network with 130 connections. The simulation goes OK at the start, but after a while, 40-50 % of the simulation done, it gives me this error....."MZLS3:error at record ****" Don't know how to solve it... Tryed to save the simulation with the different options available, bit keeps giving me this error..... I did lots of simulations with this model before, without any error coming up. I think i didn't change anything important to have this error now. Any ideas? Thanks a lot people Hugs from Portugal -- Eduardo Gon?alves + 351 913 310 390 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100928/fa3c3e52/attachment.html From paul at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 17:36:03 2010 From: paul at esru.strath.ac.uk (Paul Strachan) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:36:03 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Simulation error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CA21973.8010300@esru.strath.ac.uk> Possibly run out of disk space when writing the results file? Regards Paul Eduardo Goncalves wrote: > Hello ESP-r world, > > Can anyone help me about this error? > > "MZLS3:error at record ****" > > My model has 54 zones and a network with 130 connections. The > simulation goes OK at the start, but after a while, 40-50 % of the > simulation done, it gives me this error....."MZLS3:error at record ****" > Don't know how to solve it... Tryed to save the simulation with the > different options available, bit keeps giving me this error..... > I did lots of simulations with this model before, without any error > coming up. I think i didn't change anything important to have this > error now. > Any ideas? > > Thanks a lot people > > Hugs from Portugal > -- > Eduardo Gon?alves > + 351 913 310 390 From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 17:48:41 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:48:41 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Simulation error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413016A4A6FD96D@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> This is a classic error that happens when the simulator is not able to write out simulation predictions. Check that you have sufficient space on your disk (a 54 zone model may be creating a file of 1GB or more). Note that the ESP-r results analysis module begins to be less robust as files go past 1GB in size. For big models consider making seasonal assessments into separate results files (easy if you create simulation parameter sets). -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Eduardo Goncalves [eduardo.llcg at gmail.com] Sent: 28 September 2010 17:19 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Simulation error Hello ESP-r world, Can anyone help me about this error? "MZLS3:error at record ****" My model has 54 zones and a network with 130 connections. The simulation goes OK at the start, but after a while, 40-50 % of the simulation done, it gives me this error....."MZLS3:error at record ****" Don't know how to solve it... Tryed to save the simulation with the different options available, bit keeps giving me this error..... I did lots of simulations with this model before, without any error coming up. I think i didn't change anything important to have this error now. Any ideas? Thanks a lot people Hugs from Portugal -- Eduardo Gon?alves + 351 913 310 390 From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Tue Sep 28 21:26:14 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 22:26:14 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: installing esp-r on OSX 10.6.4 In-Reply-To: <251716.25272.qm@web27007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <251716.25272.qm@web27007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Andy most likely you have a conflict between 32bit and 64bit code. A quick google gives e.g. http://de-co-de.blogspot.com/2008/04/if-you-install-modjk.html Different program, but possibly same general procedure. I would be curious what you find, as I am likely to be installing on 10.6 soon, too. Best Achim On Sep 28, 2010, at 5:10 PM, Andr?-Marie wrote: > hi all > > I tried to install esp-r on macbook intel core 2 duo but experienced > problems compiling the sources. > > So I download the 10.5 version of the compressed archive of esp-r on > my new macbook intel core 2 duo and followed the readme. > > here is the error message i have: > > dyld: Library not loaded: /usr/local/lib/libgfortran.3.dylib > Referenced from: /opt/esru/esp-r/bin/bps > Reason: no suitable image found. Did find: > /usr/local/lib/libgfortran.3.dylib: mach-o, but wrong architecture > /usr/local/lib/libgfortran.3.dylib: mach-o, but wrong architecture > Trace/BPT trap > > Can somebody help me overcome that installation process? > > Cordialement > > Andy > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100928/c002ff1a/attachment.html From koji_takemasa at me.com Wed Sep 29 02:16:44 2010 From: koji_takemasa at me.com (=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCSXBALxsoQiAbJEI5JzwjGyhC?=) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 01:16:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [esp-r] Re: installing esp-r on OSX 10.6.4 In-Reply-To: <251716.25272.qm@web27007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi. I am using ESP-r and Radiance on Mac OS X10.6.4 in the office. The installation procedure that I did is shown as follows.? 1)gcc-leopard-intel-bin.tar.gz is downloaded from ..this site.. (http://hpc.sourceforge.net/). Never download gfortran-snwleo-intel-bin.tar.gz.? 2)The binary is installed.? ch / sudo tar zxvf gcc-leopard-intel-bin.tar.gz 3)Next, binary (compressed archive of X11 ESP-r distribution for OSX 10.5: X11 version) of ESP-r is downloaded.? *Please note the thing that is not the GTK version. If you want to use the GTK version, the GTK library is separately necessary.? 4)The binary of ESP-r is installed.? ch / sudo tar zxvf esp-r_x11_v11-1.9_osx_intel_in_opt.tar.gz 5)Please set the following environment variables.? export PATH=/opt/ray/bin:$PATH Regards. ----- Name : Koji Takemasa (Dr. Eng.) E-mail : koji_takemasa at mac.com 2010?9?29? 12:10AM?Andr?-Marie ??????? hi all I tried to install esp-r on?macbook intel core 2 duo but experienced problems compiling the sources. So I?download the 10.5 version of the compressed archive of esp-r on my new macbook intel core 2 duo and followed the readme.? here is the error message i have: dyld: Library not loaded: /usr/local/lib/libgfortran.3.dylib ??Referenced from: /opt/esru/esp-r/bin/bps ??Reason: no suitable image found. ?Did find: /usr/local/lib/libgfortran.3.dylib: mach-o, but wrong architecture /usr/local/lib/libgfortran.3.dylib: mach-o, but wrong architecture Trace/BPT trap Can somebody help me overcome that installation process? Cordialement Andy _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100929/6641bf16/attachment.html From tobias.zitzmann at ise.fraunhofer.de Wed Sep 29 15:40:47 2010 From: tobias.zitzmann at ise.fraunhofer.de (Tobias Zitzmann) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 16:40:47 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] operation file - infiltration scheme with default interpolation function? Message-ID: <4CA34FEF.6030507@ise.fraunhofer.de> Dear users, I used an operation file to define the internal gains and infiltration flow rates for a simple room in winter case. Gains and infiltration rate are 250W and 0.5h-1 between 7am-6pm; outside this period the values are 20W and 0.1h-1. No operation control has been set up. The simulation time step is 5min. As I have expected, the simulation result shows a sudden raise of internal gains at 7am and a sudden decrease at 6pm. However, for the infiltration rate the solver seems to interpolate linearly between 7am-8am and between 6pm-7pm. Thus, the difference between the internal gain scheme without interpolation and the infiltration scheme with interpolation leads to significant 'room temperature humps' after 7am and 6pm. Is this linear interpolation procedure the default setting for the infiltration scheme in ESP-r? What is the reason for this and is there a way to switch it off in the operation file? The only way I was able to get rid of the interpolation so far was to use a 5min time step temporal file. Any comments are welcome, Tobias -- Dr. Tobias Zitzmann Project Manager Dept. Thermal Systems and Buildings Fraunhofer-Institut f?r Solare Energiesysteme ISE Heidenhofstra?e 2, 79110 Freiburg, Germany Phone: +49 (0) 7 61/ 45 88-55 82 Fax: +49 (0) 7 61/ 45 88-95 82 tobias.zitzmann(at)ise.fraunhofer.de http://www.ise.fraunhofer.de From jcarlos at ubi.pt Wed Sep 29 15:50:38 2010 From: jcarlos at ubi.pt (Jorge Carlos) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:50:38 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Problem with ESP-r Message-ID: <41C91282FE9EEF4884C27086FEBEC03308AB3675@uexhmbx02.ubi.pt> Dear Dr. Sir, Whenever I try to make a new wall on an existing zone through ?surface list & edges?, for the add attribute and I choose from a new surface option ?a - made from existing vertices? the program always breaks down ending up the ESP-r Project Manager. There is always a note indicating a problem with the file ?prj.exe?. This has occurred with ?ESP-r_setup_native_windows_gtk_txt_v11_9_trunk_GCC4? and ?ESP-r_setup_native_windows_gtk_v11_9_gcc3? programs. I even tried the beta released ?ESP-r_setup_native_windows_gtk_txt_v11_9_5672? for windows. On this case, the wired figure of the inputted zone didn?t show on the screen. In spite of this, just following the same steps the break down problem didn?t occurred. What am I doing wrong? By searching the ESP-r FAQ, didn?t help. Thank you for your attention. Yours sincerely, Jorge S. Carlos Architect, Doctorate, Researcher C-MADE - Centre of Materials and Building Technologies UBI - University of Beira Interior - Covilh? - Portugal ________________________________ UBI amiga do ambiente: Antes de imprimir este e-mail pense bem se tem mesmo que o fazer. As ?rvores s?o um bem imprescind?vel. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100929/328635ab/attachment-0001.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 16:12:18 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 16:12:18 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problem with ESP-r In-Reply-To: <41C91282FE9EEF4884C27086FEBEC03308AB3675@uexhmbx02.ubi.pt> References: <41C91282FE9EEF4884C27086FEBEC03308AB3675@uexhmbx02.ubi.pt> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413016A4A6FD979@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> The 'can't create new surface from vertices issue.... The ESRU ESP-r download site has BETA versions for Cygwin, Linux, OSX and Windows which corrects this issue for the GTK version of ESP-r. The X11 version does not seem to be affected. THIS IS A KNOWN PROBLEM with the 'trunk' i.e. standard release version of ESP-r. The BETA windows version will show up new zones if you quit the project manager and load the model again. The current development_branch has fixed several interface issues which were noticed when users were dealing with complex models. Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jorge Carlos [jcarlos at ubi.pt] Sent: 29 September 2010 15:50 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Problem with ESP-r Dear Dr. Sir, Whenever I try to make a new wall on an existing zone through ?surface list & edges?, for the add attribute and I choose from a new surface option ?a - made from existing vertices? the program always breaks down ending up the ESP-r Project Manager. There is always a note indicating a problem with the file ?prj.exe?. This has occurred with ?ESP-r_setup_native_windows_gtk_txt_v11_9_trunk_GCC4? and ?ESP-r_setup_native_windows_gtk_v11_9_gcc3? programs. I even tried the beta released ?ESP-r_setup_native_windows_gtk_txt_v11_9_5672? for windows. On this case, the wired figure of the inputted zone didn?t show on the screen. In spite of this, just following the same steps the break down problem didn?t occurred. What am I doing wrong? By searching the ESP-r FAQ, didn?t help. Thank you for your attention. Yours sincerely, Jorge S. Carlos Architect, Doctorate, Researcher C-MADE - Centre of Materials and Building Technologies UBI - University of Beira Interior - Covilh? - Portugal ________________________________ UBI amiga do ambiente: Antes de imprimir este e-mail pense bem se tem mesmo que o fazer. As ?rvores s?o um bem imprescind?vel. From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Wed Sep 29 17:08:00 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:08:00 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: operation file - infiltration scheme with default interpolation function? In-Reply-To: <4CA34FEF.6030507@ise.fraunhofer.de> References: <4CA34FEF.6030507@ise.fraunhofer.de> Message-ID: <24DE4219-F657-4CEE-ACB6-919877A10848@intergga.ch> Hi Tobias what you describe has bugged me, also. As far as I could see from the code this behavior is "default" (or better: unavoidable). It would be nice to a) have the changes between settings quicker *and* b) to be able to enter schedules with a higher frequency than 1/hour via .opr. A recent code crawl did not reveal any easy path to achieve this to me, though. A good Bachelors Thesis for a student at Fraunhofer, maybe? ;o) Best Achim On Sep 29, 2010, at 4:40 PM, Tobias Zitzmann wrote: > Dear users, > > I used an operation file to define the internal gains and infiltration > flow rates for a simple room in winter case. Gains and infiltration > rate > are 250W and 0.5h-1 between 7am-6pm; outside this period the values > are > 20W and 0.1h-1. No operation control has been set up. The simulation > time step is 5min. > > As I have expected, the simulation result shows a sudden raise of > internal gains at 7am and a sudden decrease at 6pm. However, for the > infiltration rate the solver seems to interpolate linearly between > 7am-8am and between 6pm-7pm. > > Thus, the difference between the internal gain scheme without > interpolation and the infiltration scheme with interpolation leads to > significant 'room temperature humps' after 7am and 6pm. > > Is this linear interpolation procedure the default setting for the > infiltration scheme in ESP-r? What is the reason for this and is > there a > way to switch it off in the operation file? The only way I was able to > get rid of the interpolation so far was to use a 5min time step > temporal > file. > > Any comments are welcome, > > Tobias > > -- > Dr. Tobias Zitzmann > Project Manager > Dept. Thermal Systems and Buildings > Fraunhofer-Institut f?r Solare Energiesysteme ISE > Heidenhofstra?e 2, 79110 Freiburg, Germany > Phone: +49 (0) 7 61/ 45 88-55 82 Fax: +49 (0) 7 61/ 45 88-95 82 > tobias.zitzmann(at)ise.fraunhofer.de > http://www.ise.fraunhofer.de > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > achim.geissler at intergga.ch From hee1 at dasskorea.com Thu Sep 30 09:06:36 2010 From: hee1 at dasskorea.com (=?EUC-KR?B?x9G8vMjx?=) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 17:06:36 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] Condensation check Message-ID: Dear all How can I check the surface condensation when I execute "*.res" files from ESP-r? If I can check the surface condensation, would you let me know what item represents the frostiness in "out.dictionary" file which is atteched ? Thanks. Best regards. Hee -- Han Sehee / Team Manager Design and Simulation for Sustainability(DASS) Solutions Ltd. 4F WooAm Building, #355-22 Seogyo-dong, Mapo-gu, Seoul, Rep. of Korea (Post Code: 121-838) T: +82 2 913 2585 F: +82 2 949 2585 M: +82 10 5095 8155 www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20100930/988cc466/attachment.html From hee1 at dasskorea.com Thu Sep 30 09:09:09 2010 From: hee1 at dasskorea.com (=?EUC-KR?B?x9G8vMjx?=) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 17:09:09 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] Condensation check In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear all How can I check the surface condensation when I execute "*.res" files from ESP-r? If I can check the surface condensation, would you let me know what item represents the condensation in "out.dictionary" file which is atteched ? Thanks. Best regards. 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Best Achim On Sep 30, 2010, at 10:09 AM, ??? wrote: > Dear all > > How can I check the surface condensation when I execute "*.res" > files from ESP-r? > If I can check the surface condensation, would you let me know what > item represents the condensation in "out.dictionary" file which is > atteched ? > > Thanks. > > Best regards. > > Hee > > -- > Han Sehee / Team Manager > > Design and Simulation for Sustainability(DASS) Solutions Ltd. > 4F WooAm Building, #355-22 Seogyo-dong, Mapo-gu, Seoul, > Rep. of Korea (Post Code: 121-838) > > T: +82 2 913 2585 > F: +82 2 949 2585 > M: +82 10 5095 8155 > > www.dasskorea.com > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101005/e921983a/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 16:55:19 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 16:55:19 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: heat capacity In-Reply-To: <11681912.5289491286292804826.JavaMail.root@wmail25> References: <11681912.5289491286292804826.JavaMail.root@wmail25> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413016A4A6FD9A9@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A question about thermal capacity.... ESP-r does consider mass, it does this explicitly during the numerical solution based on the material thermophysical properties of each layer of the construction. ESP-r has been the subject of lots of validation studies (empirical and analytical) and so it would be interesting to see what your model is indicating that is different from 'theory'. And there are other factors which you many need to consider - have you correctly defined the boundary conditions? Is the movement of air in the room that you are studying the same as the assumptions made in your model (the surface heat transfer might not be correct). If you are running your simulation at a one hour timestep then you could try a shorter timestep - say 10 minutes. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of roberta.pischetola at libero.it [roberta.pischetola at libero.it] Sent: 05 October 2010 16:33 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] heat capacity Dear all, I have a doubt about construction's database. When I create a new construction does the software consider automatically the heat capacity of the surface? I have to compare some constructions that have different heat capacity, but the results that I obtain are different from what I read in theory. Someone can help me? Thanks. Best Regards. Roberta Pischetola From julien.nembrini at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 10:10:35 2010 From: julien.nembrini at gmail.com (julien nembrini) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 11:10:35 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] topology tool and data Message-ID: <4CAC3D0B.30700@gmail.com> Dear all, I am quite a beginner in esp-r and I am trying to evaluate whether it can be valuable for my research. I posted a similar question on the esp-r user club : http://esp-r.forumactif.com/zones-geometry-topology-tool-f3/topology-tool-t74.htm First, I am looking for the topology tool as a standalone in the binaries (cfg as described here http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/Programs/ESP-r_tut/esp_aps.htm#ap_cfg). But was not able to find it on the linux distribution. Is it still available? Does compiling from source would make it appear ?? Can I invoke it on the command line using prj? Actually I would like to automate the creation of the connection list to accommodate for parametrically changing topologies and thought that the topology tool could achieve this from the zones geometry definition. Does anyone has another (better) idea? Also, looking closely at the files .cnn and .geo I realize that the boundary conditions is duplicated in the surfaces geometric definition. .geo *surf,part_a,VERT,-,-,-,int_part,OPAQUE,ANOTHER,01,01 # 6 ||< part_a:reception .cnn 2 6 3 1 1 # 18 part_a in examination >|< part_a in reception Apparently, the .geo file is updated after running the topology tool. However, when clearing the topology information, the .geo file is not updated. Trying to save the (examination) zone geometry I get the following: .geo *surf,part_a,VERT,-,-,-,int_part,OPAQUE,ANOTHER,01,01 # 6 ||< external .cnn 2 6 0 0 0 # 18 part_a in examination is External When is the difference resolved? Thanks in advance for the help. Kind regards. Julien Nembrini, PhD Universitat der Kunste, Berlin From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Oct 6 12:07:43 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 12:07:43 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: topology tool and data In-Reply-To: <4CAC3D0B.30700@gmail.com> References: <4CAC3D0B.30700@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413016A4A6FD9B2@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> The functionality of the separate topology tool has been integrated into the ESP-r Project Manager in browse edit simulate -> zone composition -> surface connections & boundary It does the scan of all or part of the model and finds surfaces that are geometrically associated as well as offering editing of individual connections. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of julien nembrini [julien.nembrini at gmail.com] Sent: 06 October 2010 10:10 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] topology tool and data Dear all, I am quite a beginner in esp-r and I am trying to evaluate whether it can be valuable for my research. I posted a similar question on the esp-r user club : http://esp-r.forumactif.com/zones-geometry-topology-tool-f3/topology-tool-t74.htm First, I am looking for the topology tool as a standalone in the binaries (cfg as described here http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/Programs/ESP-r_tut/esp_aps.htm#ap_cfg). But was not able to find it on the linux distribution. Is it still available? Does compiling from source would make it appear ?? Can I invoke it on the command line using prj? Actually I would like to automate the creation of the connection list to accommodate for parametrically changing topologies and thought that the topology tool could achieve this from the zones geometry definition. Does anyone has another (better) idea? Also, looking closely at the files .cnn and .geo I realize that the boundary conditions is duplicated in the surfaces geometric definition. .geo *surf,part_a,VERT,-,-,-,int_part,OPAQUE,ANOTHER,01,01 # 6 ||< part_a:reception .cnn 2 6 3 1 1 # 18 part_a in examination >|< part_a in reception Apparently, the .geo file is updated after running the topology tool. However, when clearing the topology information, the .geo file is not updated. Trying to save the (examination) zone geometry I get the following: .geo *surf,part_a,VERT,-,-,-,int_part,OPAQUE,ANOTHER,01,01 # 6 ||< external .cnn 2 6 0 0 0 # 18 part_a in examination is External When is the difference resolved? Thanks in advance for the help. Kind regards. Julien Nembrini, PhD Universitat der Kunste, Berlin _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Wed Oct 6 12:29:45 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim.geissler) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 13:29:45 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: topology tool and data Message-ID: <31512923b5f1c561bf9cc65e86ba6100@212.203.77.246> The question I have also asked myself is: Is the .cnn file still necessary during calculation when using the new .geo format? If not, I think the original poster could edit the .geo file, only, during run-time (of a script, as I understand the intention). Or, the other way around, is editing of *only* the .cnn O.K. for bps? run bps change (.cnn or .geo) run bps ... etc. Achim --------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: "Jon Hand" An: "julien nembrini" , "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" Betreff: [esp-r] Re: topology tool and data Datum: 06/10/10 14:11 The functionality of the separate topology tool has been integrated into the ESP-r Project Manager in browse edit simulate -> zone composition -> surface connections & boundary It does the scan of all or part of the model and finds surfaces that are geometrically associated as well as offering editing of individual connections. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk (mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk" class="autolink) [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of julien nembrini [julien.nembrini at gmail.com] Sent: 06 October 2010 10:10 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk (mailto:esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" class="autolink) Subject: [esp-r] topology tool and data Dear all, I am quite a beginner in esp-r and I am trying to evaluate whether it can be valuable for my research. I posted a similar question on the esp-r user club : http://esp-r.forumactif.com/zones-geometry-topology-tool-f3/topology-tool-t74.htm (http://esp-r.forumactif.com/zones-geometry-topology-tool-f3/topology-tool-t74.htm" target="_blank" class="autolink) First, I am looking for the topology tool as a standalone in the binaries (cfg as described here http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/Programs/ESP-r_tut/esp_aps.htm#ap_cfg (http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/Programs/ESP-r_tut/esp_aps.htm#ap_cfg" target="_blank" class="autolink)). But was not able to find it on the linux distribution. Is it still available? Does compiling from source would make it appear ?? Can I invoke it on the command line using prj? Actually I would like to automate the creation of the connection list to accommodate for parametrically changing topologies and thought that the topology tool could achieve this from the zones geometry definition. Does anyone has another (better) idea? Also, looking closely at the files .cnn and .geo I realize that the boundary conditions is duplicated in the surfaces geometric definition. ..geo *surf,part_a,VERT,-,-,-,int_part,OPAQUE,ANOTHER,01,01 # 6 ||< part_a:reception ..cnn 2 6 3 1 1 # 18 part_a in examination >|< part_a in reception Apparently, the .geo file is updated after running the topology tool. However, when clearing the topology information, the .geo file is not updated. Trying to save the (examination) zone geometry I get the following: ..geo *surf,part_a,VERT,-,-,-,int_part,OPAQUE,ANOTHER,01,01 # 6 ||< external ..cnn 2 6 0 0 0 # 18 part_a in examination is External When is the difference resolved? Thanks in advance for the help. Kind regards. Julien Nembrini, PhD Universitat der Kunste, Berlin _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk (mailto:esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" class="autolink) http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r (http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r" target="_blank" class="autolink) _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk (mailto:esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" class="autolink) http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r (http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r" target="_blank" class="autolink) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101006/f17e959f/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Oct 6 12:37:15 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 12:37:15 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: topology tool and data In-Reply-To: <31512923b5f1c561bf9cc65e86ba6100@212.203.77.246> References: <31512923b5f1c561bf9cc65e86ba6100@212.203.77.246> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413016A4A6FD9B3@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> There is a long term plan (or at least a wish or mine ) to have models which hold the connection information only in the geometry files and which no longer need the duplicate information in the *.cnn file (and the overhead). It will not be rocket science to do this (there are sufficient attributes in the surfaces), just tedious and requiring some testing and some extra checks in the code to ensure that changing names are dependency checked. ;-) -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: Achim.geissler [achim.geissler at intergga.ch] Sent: 06 October 2010 12:29 To: Jon Hand; juliennembrini; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: AW: [esp-r] Re: topology tool and data The question I have also asked myself is: Is the .cnn file still necessary during calculation when using the new .geo format? If not, I think the original poster could edit the .geo file, only, during run-time (of a script, as I understand the intention). Or, the other way around, is editing of *only* the .cnn O.K. for bps? run bps change (.cnn or .geo) run bps ... etc. Achim --------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: "Jon Hand" An: "julien nembrini" , "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" Betreff: [esp-r] Re: topology tool and data Datum: 06/10/10 14:11 The functionality of the separate topology tool has been integrated into the ESP-r Project Manager in browse edit simulate -> zone composition -> surface connections & boundary It does the scan of all or part of the model and finds surfaces that are geometrically associated as well as offering editing of individual connections. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of julien nembrini [julien.nembrini at gmail.com] Sent: 06 October 2010 10:10 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] topology tool and data Dear all, I am quite a beginner in esp-r and I am trying to evaluate whether it can be valuable for my research. I posted a similar question on the esp-r user club : http://esp-r.forumactif.com/zones-geometry-topology-tool-f3/topology-tool-t74.htm First, I am looking for the topology tool as a standalone in the binaries (cfg as described here http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/Programs/ESP-r_tut/esp_aps.htm#ap_cfg). But was not able to find it on the linux distribution. Is it still available? Does compiling from source would make it appear ?? Can I invoke it on the command line using prj? Actually I would like to automate the creation of the connection list to accommodate for parametrically changing topologies and thought that the topology tool could achieve this from the zones geometry definition. Does anyone has another (better) idea? Also, looking closely at the files .cnn and .geo I realize that the boundary conditi! ons is duplicated in the surfaces geometric definition. ..geo *surf,part_a,VERT,-,-,-,int_part,OPAQUE,ANOTHER,01,01 # 6 ||< part_a:reception ..cnn 2 6 3 1 1 # 18 part_a in examination >|< part_a in reception Apparently, the .geo file is updated after running the topology tool. However, when clearing the topology information, the .geo file is not updated. Trying to save the (examination) zone geometry I get the following: ..geo *surf,part_a,VERT,-,-,-,int_part,OPAQUE,ANOTHER,01,01 # 6 ||< external ..cnn 2 6 0 0 0 # 18 part_a in examination is External When is the difference resolved? Thanks in advance for the help. Kind regards. Julien Nembrini, PhD Universitat der Kunste, Berlin _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From julien.nembrini at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 13:47:35 2010 From: julien.nembrini at gmail.com (julien nembrini) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 14:47:35 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: topology tool and data In-Reply-To: <31512923b5f1c561bf9cc65e86ba6100@212.203.77.246> References: <31512923b5f1c561bf9cc65e86ba6100@212.203.77.246> Message-ID: <4CAC6FE7.1040704@gmail.com> Dear Jon, Thank you very much for the prompt answer. One more question: Is the topology tool integrated in the project manager reachable from the command line passing some appropriate flags to 'prj' ? Ideally, I would like to take advantage of the automatic topology creation from a script. Kind Regards, Julien Achim.geissler wrote: > The question I have also asked myself is: Is the .cnn file still > necessary during calculation when using the new .geo format? If not, I > think the original poster could edit the .geo file, only, during > run-time (of a script, as I understand the intention). Or, the other > way around, is editing of *only* the .cnn O.K. for bps? > > run bps > change (.cnn or .geo) > run bps > ... etc. > > Achim > > > --------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Von: "Jon Hand" > An: "julien nembrini" , > "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" > Betreff: [esp-r] Re: topology tool and data > Datum: 06/10/10 14:11 > > > The functionality of the separate topology tool has been integrated > into the ESP-r Project Manager > in browse edit simulate -> zone composition -> surface connections & > boundary > > It does the scan of all or part of the model and finds surfaces that > are geometrically > associated as well as offering editing of individual connections. > > -Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > > [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of julien nembrini > [julien.nembrini at gmail.com] > Sent: 06 October 2010 10:10 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] topology tool and data > > Dear all, > > I am quite a beginner in esp-r and I am trying to evaluate whether it > can be valuable for my research. I posted a similar question on the > esp-r user club : > http://esp-r.forumactif.com/zones-geometry-topology-tool-f3/topology-tool-t74.htm > > First, I am looking for the topology tool as a standalone in the > binaries (cfg as described here > http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/Programs/ESP-r_tut/esp_aps.htm#ap_cfg). But > was not able to find it on the linux distribution. Is it still > available? Does compiling from source would make it appear ?? Can I > invoke it on the command line using prj? > > Actually I would like to automate the creation of the connection list to > accommodate for parametrically changing topologies and thought that the > topology tool could achieve this from the zones geometry definition. > Does anyone has another (better) idea? > > Also, looking closely at the files .cnn and .geo I realize that the > boundary conditi! ons is duplicated in the surfaces geometric definition. > > ..geo > > *surf,part_a,VERT,-,-,-,int_part,OPAQUE,ANOTHER,01,01 # 6 ||< > part_a:reception > > ..cnn > > 2 6 3 1 1 # 18 part_a in examination >|< part_a in reception > > > Apparently, the .geo file is updated after running the topology tool. > However, when clearing the topology information, the .geo file is not > updated. Trying to save the (examination) zone geometry I get the > following: > > ..geo > > *surf,part_a,VERT,-,-,-,int_part,OPAQUE,ANOTHER,01,01 # 6 ||< external > > ..cnn > > 2 6 0 0 0 # 18 part_a in examination is External > > > When is the difference resolved? > > > Thanks in advance for the help. > > Kind regards. > > Julien Nembrini, PhD > Universitat der Kunste, Berlin > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > From lmd26 at tee.gr Thu Oct 7 16:18:48 2010 From: lmd26 at tee.gr (Dimitris Mantas) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 18:18:48 +0300 Subject: [esp-r] Blind / Shutter Controls etc. Message-ID: Hi All, I 'am trying to locate where I can impose blind/shutter controls. (e.g switching the optics of windows when radiation, temp or other is above a value). I 've tried the optics controls but can't figure out what data to input. First, I put a sensor, sensoring radiation on a surface but the program reports back it's going to sense db temp (instead of radiation) on that surface. Then the actuator is set to actuate the values for the construction chosen (e.g. double, low e glaz.), however I am not asked what the switched values should be (as it was done in previous esp-r versions). In in the third menu (period) can't really understand what kind of input is required by the program (bidirectional ?? and values such as -30, 1 etc.). Could you please give me a hint of what to do ? I suppose same querries may emerge for the case of lighting controls etc. Searched the cookbook but couldn't find my answers. thanx in advance, Dimitris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best Achim On Oct 7, 2010, at 5:18 PM, Dimitris Mantas wrote: > Hi All, > > I 'am trying to locate where I can impose blind/shutter controls. > (e.g switching the optics of windows when radiation, temp or other is above a value). > > I 've tried the optics controls but can't figure out what data to input. > > First, I put a sensor, sensoring radiation on a surface but the program reports back it's going to sense db temp (instead of radiation) on that surface. > Then the actuator is set to actuate the values for the construction chosen (e.g. double, low e glaz.), however I am not asked what the switched values should be > (as it was done in previous esp-r versions). > In in the third menu (period) can't really understand what kind of input is required by the program > (bidirectional ?? and values such as -30, 1 etc.). > > Could you please give me a hint of what to do ? > > I suppose same querries may emerge for the case of lighting controls etc. > > Searched the cookbook but couldn't find my answers. > > thanx in advance, > > Dimitris > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101007/68c8470e/attachment.html From francesco.frontini at polimi.it Fri Oct 8 17:51:25 2010 From: francesco.frontini at polimi.it (Francesco Frontini) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 18:51:25 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: esp-r Digest, Vol 51, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Dimitris, if you want to model different blind positions you can use the bidirectional model we implemented two years ago in ESP-r under "advanced optics". You can find more information about the bidirectional model (we call it Black Box Model) in the proceedings of the BS conference 2009 in Glasgow. Here the link: http://www.ibpsa.org/proceedings/BS2009/BS09_0928_935.pdf The idea is to model the whole system (glass + blind) as a double glaze unit with the effective direct tau and g-value. As the normal TMC control you can use as set point the incident radiation on the glass and the indoor temperature to change between 6 blind positions. But as I said you can find further information in the papers. For sure you can also ask me for specific problems. Hope to help you somehow, best regards Francesco Dr. Francesco Frontini, MEng PhD in Buildings Engineering ---------------------------------------- Fraunhofer Institut f?r Solare Energiesysteme ISE Heidenhofstr. 2, 79110 Freiburg, Germany M1: [+39] 333-3097826 M2: [+49] (0)1522-1624691 Phone: [+49] (0)7614588-5358 FAX: [+49] (0)7614588-9358 @1: francesco.frontini at ise.fraunhofer.de @2: francesco.frontini at polimi.it ---------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 2010/10/8 > Send esp-r mailing list submissions to > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk > > You can reach the person managing the list at > esp-r-owner at lists.strath.ac.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of esp-r digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Blind / Shutter Controls etc. (Achim Geissler) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 19:06:38 +0200 > From: Achim Geissler > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Blind / Shutter Controls etc. > To: Dimitris Mantas > Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Message-ID: <9FD1017A-1235-4F87-B28E-A35B1EE05CA6 at intergga.ch> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Dimitris > > for the switching of TMC type "windows" you do not use the "optics > control". You need to go in the menu "construction materials", choose the > zone of interest and then choose "transparent layer properties". Then you > are confronted with the choices you probably remember. The setup is not part > of the .ctl file but part of the .tmc file. > > Best > Achim > > > On Oct 7, 2010, at 5:18 PM, Dimitris Mantas wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > I 'am trying to locate where I can impose blind/shutter controls. > > (e.g switching the optics of windows when radiation, temp or other is > above a value). > > > > I 've tried the optics controls but can't figure out what data to input. > > > > First, I put a sensor, sensoring radiation on a surface but the program > reports back it's going to sense db temp (instead of radiation) on that > surface. > > Then the actuator is set to actuate the values for the construction > chosen (e.g. double, low e glaz.), however I am not asked what the switched > values should be > > (as it was done in previous esp-r versions). > > In in the third menu (period) can't really understand what kind of input > is required by the program > > (bidirectional ?? and values such as -30, 1 etc.). > > > > Could you please give me a hint of what to do ? > > > > I suppose same querries may emerge for the case of lighting controls etc. > > > > Searched the cookbook but couldn't find my answers. > > > > thanx in advance, > > > > Dimitris > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > esp-r mailing list > > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > achim.geissler at intergga.ch > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101007/68c8470e/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > End of esp-r Digest, Vol 51, Issue 5 > ************************************ > -- Dr. Francesco Frontini, MEng PhD in Buildings Engineering ---------------------------------------- Fraunhofer Institut f?r Solare Energiesysteme ISE Heidenhofstr. 2, 79110 Freiburg, Germany M1: [+39] 333-3097826 M2: [+49] (0)1522-1624691 Phone: [+49] (0)7614588-5358 FAX: [+49] (0)7614588-9358 @1: francesco.frontini at ise.fraunhofer.de @2: francesco.frontini at polimi.it ---------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101008/64df9b7c/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Sat Oct 9 16:58:57 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 17:58:57 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: esp-r Digest, Vol 51, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Francesco did I miss out on something here? I seem to remember that you need quite detailed bidirectional data of your facade / blind to use this, no? What are the advantages over CFCs (if you do not need detailed (measured) data)? Best Achim On Oct 8, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Francesco Frontini wrote: > Dear Dimitris, > if you want to model different blind positions you can use the bidirectional model we implemented two years ago in ESP-r under "advanced optics". > You can find more information about the bidirectional model (we call it Black Box Model) in the proceedings of the BS conference 2009 in Glasgow. Here the link: > > http://www.ibpsa.org/proceedings/BS2009/BS09_0928_935.pdf > > The idea is to model the whole system (glass + blind) as a double glaze unit with the effective direct tau and g-value. > As the normal TMC control you can use as set point the incident radiation on the glass and the indoor temperature to change between 6 blind positions. > But as I said you can find further information in the papers. > For sure you can also ask me for specific problems. > > Hope to help you somehow, best regards > > Francesco > > Dr. Francesco Frontini, MEng PhD in Buildings Engineering > > ---------------------------------------- > Fraunhofer Institut f?r Solare Energiesysteme ISE > Heidenhofstr. 2, 79110 Freiburg, Germany > > M1: [+39] 333-3097826 > M2: [+49] (0)1522-1624691 > > Phone: [+49] (0)7614588-5358 > FAX: [+49] (0)7614588-9358 > > @1: francesco.frontini at ise.fraunhofer.de > @2: francesco.frontini at polimi.it > ---------------------------------------- > > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > 2010/10/8 > Send esp-r mailing list submissions to > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk > > You can reach the person managing the list at > esp-r-owner at lists.strath.ac.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of esp-r digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Blind / Shutter Controls etc. (Achim Geissler) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 19:06:38 +0200 > From: Achim Geissler > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Blind / Shutter Controls etc. > To: Dimitris Mantas > Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Message-ID: <9FD1017A-1235-4F87-B28E-A35B1EE05CA6 at intergga.ch> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Dimitris > > for the switching of TMC type "windows" you do not use the "optics control". You need to go in the menu "construction materials", choose the zone of interest and then choose "transparent layer properties". Then you are confronted with the choices you probably remember. The setup is not part of the .ctl file but part of the .tmc file. > > Best > Achim > > > On Oct 7, 2010, at 5:18 PM, Dimitris Mantas wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > I 'am trying to locate where I can impose blind/shutter controls. > > (e.g switching the optics of windows when radiation, temp or other is above a value). > > > > I 've tried the optics controls but can't figure out what data to input. > > > > First, I put a sensor, sensoring radiation on a surface but the program reports back it's going to sense db temp (instead of radiation) on that surface. > > Then the actuator is set to actuate the values for the construction chosen (e.g. double, low e glaz.), however I am not asked what the switched values should be > > (as it was done in previous esp-r versions). > > In in the third menu (period) can't really understand what kind of input is required by the program > > (bidirectional ?? and values such as -30, 1 etc.). > > > > Could you please give me a hint of what to do ? > > > > I suppose same querries may emerge for the case of lighting controls etc. > > > > Searched the cookbook but couldn't find my answers. > > > > thanx in advance, > > > > Dimitris > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > esp-r mailing list > > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > achim.geissler at intergga.ch > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101007/68c8470e/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > End of esp-r Digest, Vol 51, Issue 5 > ************************************ > > > > -- > Dr. Francesco Frontini, MEng PhD in Buildings Engineering > > ---------------------------------------- > Fraunhofer Institut f?r Solare Energiesysteme ISE > Heidenhofstr. 2, 79110 Freiburg, Germany > > M1: [+39] 333-3097826 > M2: [+49] (0)1522-1624691 > > Phone: [+49] (0)7614588-5358 > FAX: [+49] (0)7614588-9358 > > @1: francesco.frontini at ise.fraunhofer.de > @2: francesco.frontini at polimi.it > ---------------------------------------- > > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101009/e3e93abb/attachment-0001.html From francesco.frontini at polimi.it Sat Oct 9 19:55:57 2010 From: francesco.frontini at polimi.it (Francesco Frontini) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 20:55:57 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: esp-r Digest, Vol 51, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Achim, you are right you need to pre-calculate (using window-6 or WIS for ex.) or to measure the complex glazing systems. I would like to compare the bidirectional model with the CFC model (for a simple venetian blind case), but I still had not time for that :( How the CFC model treats the diffuse irradiation? Best Francesco 2010/10/9 Achim Geissler > Hi Francesco > > did I miss out on something here? I seem to remember that you need quite > detailed bidirectional data of your facade / blind to use this, no? > > What are the advantages over CFCs (if you do not need detailed (measured) > data)? > > Best > Achim > > > On Oct 8, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Francesco Frontini wrote: > > Dear Dimitris, > if you want to model different blind positions you can use the > bidirectional model we implemented two years ago in ESP-r under "advanced > optics". > You can find more information about the bidirectional model (we call it > Black Box Model) in the proceedings of the BS conference 2009 in Glasgow. > Here the link: > > http://www.ibpsa.org/proceedings/BS2009/BS09_0928_935.pdf > > The idea is to model the whole system (glass + blind) as a double glaze > unit with the effective direct tau and g-value. > As the normal TMC control you can use as set point the incident radiation > on the glass and the indoor temperature to change between 6 blind positions. > But as I said you can find further information in the papers. > For sure you can also ask me for specific problems. > > Hope to help you somehow, best regards > > Francesco > > Dr. Francesco Frontini, MEng PhD in Buildings Engineering > > ---------------------------------------- > Fraunhofer Institut f?r Solare Energiesysteme ISE > Heidenhofstr. 2, 79110 Freiburg, Germany > > M1: [+39] 333-3097826 > M2: [+49] (0)1522-1624691 > > Phone: [+49] (0)7614588-5358 > FAX: [+49] (0)7614588-9358 > > @1: francesco.frontini at ise.fraunhofer.de > @2: francesco.frontini at polimi.it > ---------------------------------------- > > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. 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Re: Blind / Shutter Controls etc. (Achim Geissler) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 19:06:38 +0200 >> From: Achim Geissler >> Subject: [esp-r] Re: Blind / Shutter Controls etc. >> To: Dimitris Mantas >> Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> Message-ID: <9FD1017A-1235-4F87-B28E-A35B1EE05CA6 at intergga.ch> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Hi Dimitris >> >> for the switching of TMC type "windows" you do not use the "optics >> control". You need to go in the menu "construction materials", choose the >> zone of interest and then choose "transparent layer properties". Then you >> are confronted with the choices you probably remember. The setup is not part >> of the .ctl file but part of the .tmc file. >> >> Best >> Achim >> >> >> On Oct 7, 2010, at 5:18 PM, Dimitris Mantas wrote: >> >> > Hi All, >> > >> > I 'am trying to locate where I can impose blind/shutter controls. >> > (e.g switching the optics of windows when radiation, temp or other is >> above a value). >> > >> > I 've tried the optics controls but can't figure out what data to input. >> > >> > First, I put a sensor, sensoring radiation on a surface but the program >> reports back it's going to sense db temp (instead of radiation) on that >> surface. >> > Then the actuator is set to actuate the values for the construction >> chosen (e.g. double, low e glaz.), however I am not asked what the switched >> values should be >> > (as it was done in previous esp-r versions). >> > In in the third menu (period) can't really understand what kind of input >> is required by the program >> > (bidirectional ?? and values such as -30, 1 etc.). >> > >> > Could you please give me a hint of what to do ? >> > >> > I suppose same querries may emerge for the case of lighting controls >> etc. >> > >> > Searched the cookbook but couldn't find my answers. >> > >> > thanx in advance, >> > >> > Dimitris >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > esp-r mailing list >> > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r >> >> achim.geissler at intergga.ch >> >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101007/68c8470e/attachment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> esp-r mailing list >> esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r >> >> End of esp-r Digest, Vol 51, Issue 5 >> ************************************ >> > > > > -- > Dr. Francesco Frontini, MEng PhD in Buildings Engineering > > ---------------------------------------- > Fraunhofer Institut f?r Solare Energiesysteme ISE > Heidenhofstr. 2, 79110 Freiburg, Germany > > M1: [+39] 333-3097826 > M2: [+49] (0)1522-1624691 > > Phone: [+49] (0)7614588-5358 > FAX: [+49] (0)7614588-9358 > > @1: francesco.frontini at ise.fraunhofer.de > @2: francesco.frontini at polimi.it > ---------------------------------------- > > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. 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Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101009/211d24b9/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Sat Oct 9 21:08:23 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 22:08:23 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: esp-r Digest, Vol 51, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6DDC0CB1-17B6-4E1A-B26D-02A393D7497D@intergga.ch> Hi Francesco actually, I don't know off-hand how the CFC treats diffuse radiation (but the information is surely given in Bart's thesis). How does the bi-directional model do that? The "traditional" TMC uses the 55?-value, as far as I remember. The advantage of the CFC is that a venetian type blind in a system is calculated "on the run" - so you can have a cut-off control, for example and do not need to define any number of settings before-hand. The dis-advantage is that you can model only "simple" venetian type blinds, noting fancy like the whats-it-called in the paper you referred to. Also, you cannot link in a "double facade CFC" in an air flow network. Would that work with the bi-directional approach? Calculating the bi-directional data with WIS or Window-6: Do you use the angular date symmetrically? Because both programs only give results for one angle, not really for a field of two angles, don't they? Best Achim On Oct 9, 2010, at 8:55 PM, Francesco Frontini wrote: > Hi Achim, > you are right you need to pre-calculate (using window-6 or WIS for ex.) or to measure the complex glazing systems. > I would like to compare the bidirectional model with the CFC model (for a simple venetian blind case), but I still had not time for that :( > How the CFC model treats the diffuse irradiation? > Best > > Francesco > > 2010/10/9 Achim Geissler > Hi Francesco > > did I miss out on something here? I seem to remember that you need quite detailed bidirectional data of your facade / blind to use this, no? > > What are the advantages over CFCs (if you do not need detailed (measured) data)? > > Best > Achim > > > On Oct 8, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Francesco Frontini wrote: > >> Dear Dimitris, >> if you want to model different blind positions you can use the bidirectional model we implemented two years ago in ESP-r under "advanced optics". >> You can find more information about the bidirectional model (we call it Black Box Model) in the proceedings of the BS conference 2009 in Glasgow. Here the link: >> >> http://www.ibpsa.org/proceedings/BS2009/BS09_0928_935.pdf >> >> The idea is to model the whole system (glass + blind) as a double glaze unit with the effective direct tau and g-value. >> As the normal TMC control you can use as set point the incident radiation on the glass and the indoor temperature to change between 6 blind positions. >> But as I said you can find further information in the papers. >> For sure you can also ask me for specific problems. >> >> Hope to help you somehow, best regards >> >> Francesco >> >> Dr. Francesco Frontini, MEng PhD in Buildings Engineering >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> Fraunhofer Institut f?r Solare Energiesysteme ISE >> Heidenhofstr. 2, 79110 Freiburg, Germany >> >> M1: [+39] 333-3097826 >> M2: [+49] (0)1522-1624691 >> >> Phone: [+49] (0)7614588-5358 >> FAX: [+49] (0)7614588-9358 >> >> @1: francesco.frontini at ise.fraunhofer.de >> @2: francesco.frontini at polimi.it >> ---------------------------------------- >> >> >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. >> >> 2010/10/8 >> Send esp-r mailing list submissions to >> esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> esp-r-owner at lists.strath.ac.uk >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of esp-r digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Blind / Shutter Controls etc. (Achim Geissler) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 19:06:38 +0200 >> From: Achim Geissler >> Subject: [esp-r] Re: Blind / Shutter Controls etc. >> To: Dimitris Mantas >> Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> Message-ID: <9FD1017A-1235-4F87-B28E-A35B1EE05CA6 at intergga.ch> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Hi Dimitris >> >> for the switching of TMC type "windows" you do not use the "optics control". You need to go in the menu "construction materials", choose the zone of interest and then choose "transparent layer properties". Then you are confronted with the choices you probably remember. The setup is not part of the .ctl file but part of the .tmc file. >> >> Best >> Achim >> >> >> On Oct 7, 2010, at 5:18 PM, Dimitris Mantas wrote: >> >> > Hi All, >> > >> > I 'am trying to locate where I can impose blind/shutter controls. >> > (e.g switching the optics of windows when radiation, temp or other is above a value). >> > >> > I 've tried the optics controls but can't figure out what data to input. >> > >> > First, I put a sensor, sensoring radiation on a surface but the program reports back it's going to sense db temp (instead of radiation) on that surface. >> > Then the actuator is set to actuate the values for the construction chosen (e.g. double, low e glaz.), however I am not asked what the switched values should be >> > (as it was done in previous esp-r versions). >> > In in the third menu (period) can't really understand what kind of input is required by the program >> > (bidirectional ?? and values such as -30, 1 etc.). >> > >> > Could you please give me a hint of what to do ? >> > >> > I suppose same querries may emerge for the case of lighting controls etc. >> > >> > Searched the cookbook but couldn't find my answers. >> > >> > thanx in advance, >> > >> > Dimitris >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > esp-r mailing list >> > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r >> >> achim.geissler at intergga.ch >> >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101007/68c8470e/attachment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> esp-r mailing list >> esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r >> >> End of esp-r Digest, Vol 51, Issue 5 >> ************************************ >> >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Francesco Frontini, MEng PhD in Buildings Engineering >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> Fraunhofer Institut f?r Solare Energiesysteme ISE >> Heidenhofstr. 2, 79110 Freiburg, Germany >> >> M1: [+39] 333-3097826 >> M2: [+49] (0)1522-1624691 >> >> Phone: [+49] (0)7614588-5358 >> FAX: [+49] (0)7614588-9358 >> >> @1: francesco.frontini at ise.fraunhofer.de >> @2: francesco.frontini at polimi.it >> ---------------------------------------- >> >> >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101009/41d3ba07/attachment-0001.html From falmeida at ryerson.ca Wed Oct 13 15:38:36 2010 From: falmeida at ryerson.ca (Fabio Almeida) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 10:38:36 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] cannot open stand alone CFD files in DFS Message-ID: Hello, I am trying to run the CFD module on its own. I navigate to the CFD training files and try to open any of the *.dfd files using "dfs -file filename.dfd" but I get a IGETEND error. For example, if I navigate to ".../training/cfd/RoomVent98/CFDonly" and open the file with "dfs -file CFDonly.dfd", the DFS module opens but I get this error: "could not find MF node name...." "IGETND: error reading cfd file!" I browsed through "cfdat.F" file and it seems that the IGETND file is trying to look for mass flow network but gives an error. I tried this on ubuntu 10.04 64-bit and cygwin under windows 7 64-bit. In both cases I tried ESP-r 11.6 pre-comp package and compiled from source from trunk. Thank you for your time. Regards Fabio Almeida -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I navigate to the CFD training files and try to open any of the *.dfd files using "dfs -file filename.dfd" but I get a IGETEND error. For example, if I navigate to ".../training/cfd/RoomVent98/CFDonly" and open the file with "dfs -file CFDonly.dfd", the DFS module opens but I get this error: > > "could not find MF node name...." > "IGETND: error reading cfd file!" > > I browsed through "cfdat.F" file and it seems that the IGETND file is trying to look for mass flow network but gives an error. > > I tried this on ubuntu 10.04 64-bit and cygwin under windows 7 64-bit. In both cases I tried ESP-r 11.6 pre-comp package and compiled from source from trunk. Thank you for your time. > > Regards > > Fabio Almeida > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch From miguelduartefsilva at hotmail.com Mon Oct 18 20:06:45 2010 From: miguelduartefsilva at hotmail.com (Miguel Silva) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 19:06:45 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Surface Attributes Message-ID: Hi all, I have a doubt about surface attributes. When we have a 2 zones with 1 surface in common, to this surface in "environment" propreties we have to choice the option "surface in other zone" for the program know this surface is a same the surface in another zone, rigth? My question is what happen if he put on the surface of Zone1 different properties on the same surface of Zone2? someone can enlighten me? Best regards, Thank in advance Miguel Silva Instituto Polit?cnico de Leiria - Portugal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101018/3dcd0c9d/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Oct 19 13:02:55 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:02:55 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Surface Attributes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413016A4C283253@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> If you provide a thermal association between two polygons then there are several checks that are made in the simulator - their surface normals must be within a certain angular tollerance so that the two polygons are roughly parallel with each other, the area of each polygon should be about the same. It will then look at the constructions and complain if the number of layers does not match or the layer materials do not match. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Miguel Silva [miguelduartefsilva at hotmail.com] Sent: 18 October 2010 20:06 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Surface Attributes Hi all, I have a doubt about surface attributes. When we have a 2 zones with 1 surface in common, to this surface in "environment" propreties we have to choice the option "surface in other zone" for the program know this surface is a same the surface in another zone, rigth? My question is what happen if he put on the surface of Zone1 different properties on the same surface of Zone2? someone can enlighten me? Best regards, Thank in advance Miguel Silva Instituto Polit?cnico de Leiria - Portugal From aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk Tue Oct 19 13:20:18 2010 From: aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk (Aizaz Samuel) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:20:18 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Surface Attributes In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413016A4C283253@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: , <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413016A4C283253@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: Miguel, > My question is what happen if he put on the surface of Zone1 different properties on the same surface of Zone2? The solver solves zone by zone so when it solves for zone1 whatever boundary conditions are associated with zone1 are used regardless of how it appears to be geometrically. When the solver solves for zone 2 it uses whatever boundary conditions have been set up for zone2. The fact that two surfaces have spatial characteristics which are the same or are within some tolerance does not mean they provide boundary conditions to each other unless explicitly set in the topology either by individually choosing "surface in other zone" or by the automatic topology facility. -Aizaz Samuel ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jon Hand [jon at esru.strath.ac.uk] Sent: 19 October 2010 13:02 To: Miguel Silva; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Surface Attributes If you provide a thermal association between two polygons then there are several checks that are made in the simulator - their surface normals must be within a certain angular tollerance so that the two polygons are roughly parallel with each other, the area of each polygon should be about the same. It will then look at the constructions and complain if the number of layers does not match or the layer materials do not match. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Miguel Silva [miguelduartefsilva at hotmail.com] Sent: 18 October 2010 20:06 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Surface Attributes Hi all, I have a doubt about surface attributes. When we have a 2 zones with 1 surface in common, to this surface in "environment" propreties we have to choice the option "surface in other zone" for the program know this surface is a same the surface in another zone, rigth? My question is what happen if he put on the surface of Zone1 different properties on the same surface of Zone2? someone can enlighten me? Best regards, Thank in advance Miguel Silva Instituto Polit?cnico de Leiria - Portugal _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk Wed Oct 20 09:40:22 2010 From: aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk (Aizaz Samuel) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:40:22 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Surface Attributes In-Reply-To: References: , , <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413016A4C283253@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk>, , Message-ID: Miguel, Divide Wall-4 of Z3 into two surfaces. One will be the same as Wall-2 Z1 and the other will be the same as Wall-2 Z2. Now make appropriate attribution of boundary conditions as per geometry. -Aizaz ________________________________________ From: Miguel Silva [miguelduartefsilva at hotmail.com] Sent: 20 October 2010 00:52 To: Aizaz Samuel; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: [esp-r] Re: Surface Attributes So, In the exemple model i send in annex. The surface Wall-4 of the zone "Z3" is the same as Wall-2 zone "Z1" and that the same Wall-2 zone "Z3". But at the environment attributes (surface in another zone) of the surface can only bind to a surface by one zone. I can not connect the surface Wall-4 of the zone "Z3" to surface Wall-2 (Z2) and the Wall-2 (Z1). this will not affect the calculations? Once the surfaces( and zones) are not totally connected to each other. Best regards, Thank in advance Miguel Silva Instituto Polit?cnico de Leiria - Portugal > From: aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk > To: miguelduartefsilva at hotmail.com; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:20:18 +0100 > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Surface Attributes > > Miguel, > > > My question is what happen if he put on the surface of Zone1 different properties on the same surface of Zone2? > The solver solves zone by zone so when it solves for zone1 whatever boundary conditions are associated with zone1 are used regardless of how it appears to be geometrically. When the solver solves for zone 2 it uses whatever boundary conditions have been set up for zone2. > The fact that two surfaces have spatial characteristics which are the same or are within some tolerance does not mean they provide boundary conditions to each other unless explicitly set in the topology either by individually choosing "surface in other zone" or by the automatic topology facility. > > -Aizaz Samuel > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jon Hand [jon at esru.strath.ac.uk] > Sent: 19 October 2010 13:02 > To: Miguel Silva; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Surface Attributes > > If you provide a thermal association between two polygons then there are > several checks that are made in the simulator - their surface normals must > be within a certain angular tollerance so that the two polygons are roughly > parallel with each other, the area of each polygon should be about the > same. It will then look at the constructions and complain if the number > of layers does not match or the layer materials do not match. > > -Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Miguel Silva [miguelduartefsilva at hotmail.com] > Sent: 18 October 2010 20:06 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Surface Attributes > > Hi all, > > I have a doubt about surface attributes. > > When we have a 2 zones with 1 surface in common, to this surface in "environment" propreties we have to choice the option "surface in other zone" for the program know this surface is a same the surface in another zone, rigth? My question is what happen if he put on the surface of Zone1 different properties on the same surface of Zone2? > > > someone can enlighten me? > > > Best regards, > Thank in advance > > > Miguel Silva > > Instituto Polit?cnico de Leiria - Portugal > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From miguelduartefsilva at hotmail.com Wed Oct 20 00:52:27 2010 From: miguelduartefsilva at hotmail.com (Miguel Silva) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 23:52:27 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Surface Attributes In-Reply-To: References: , , <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413016A4C283253@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk>, Message-ID: So, In the exemple model i send in annex. The surface Wall-4 of the zone "Z3" is the same as Wall-2 zone "Z1" and that the same Wall-2 zone "Z3". But at the environment attributes (surface in another zone) of the surface can only bind to a surface by one zone. I can not connect the surface Wall-4 of the zone "Z3" to surface Wall-2 (Z2) and the Wall-2 (Z1). this will not affect the calculations? Once the surfaces( and zones) are not totally connected to each other. Best regards, Thank in advance Miguel Silva Instituto Polit?cnico de Leiria - Portugal > From: aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk > To: miguelduartefsilva at hotmail.com; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:20:18 +0100 > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Surface Attributes > > Miguel, > > > My question is what happen if he put on the surface of Zone1 different properties on the same surface of Zone2? > The solver solves zone by zone so when it solves for zone1 whatever boundary conditions are associated with zone1 are used regardless of how it appears to be geometrically. When the solver solves for zone 2 it uses whatever boundary conditions have been set up for zone2. > The fact that two surfaces have spatial characteristics which are the same or are within some tolerance does not mean they provide boundary conditions to each other unless explicitly set in the topology either by individually choosing "surface in other zone" or by the automatic topology facility. > > -Aizaz Samuel > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jon Hand [jon at esru.strath.ac.uk] > Sent: 19 October 2010 13:02 > To: Miguel Silva; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Surface Attributes > > If you provide a thermal association between two polygons then there are > several checks that are made in the simulator - their surface normals must > be within a certain angular tollerance so that the two polygons are roughly > parallel with each other, the area of each polygon should be about the > same. It will then look at the constructions and complain if the number > of layers does not match or the layer materials do not match. > > -Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Miguel Silva [miguelduartefsilva at hotmail.com] > Sent: 18 October 2010 20:06 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Surface Attributes > > Hi all, > > I have a doubt about surface attributes. > > When we have a 2 zones with 1 surface in common, to this surface in "environment" propreties we have to choice the option "surface in other zone" for the program know this surface is a same the surface in another zone, rigth? 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Thanks in advance -- David GARCIA SANCHEZ ------------------------------------------------------------ D?partement Syst?mes ?nerg?tiques Environnement Ecole des Mines de Nantes 4, Rue Alfred Kastler 44300 Nantes France ------------------------------------------------------------ Email: david.garcia-sanchez at emn.fr Tel: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 14 Mobile: +33 (0) 6 78 15 08 09 Fax: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 99 ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101021/45e8a075/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Oct 21 21:52:49 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 21:52:49 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Database problems. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413017182C52B0C@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A query about database management... The first issue is - what version of ESP-r are you using and is it the X11 or GTK interface (GTK provides file browsing facilities and X11 does not). What operating system (issues might be specific to the computer)? 2nd issue - have you made absolutely sure that the locale is USA or UK (so that the decimal point is a dot rather than a comma) and that you have used only standard ASCII characters in the names of entities (spaces are not currently allowed). 3rd issue - if you have installed from source did you request to re-build the databases and exemplar models? 4th issue - if you are working with very old models there are cases where two materials might have the same 'name' and this will confuse current versions of ESP-r. And it is easier to give advise or to have a look in the source code for possible glitches if the question is specific e.g. 'when inserting a new layer in a construction....' What specific management task or list of management tasks would you like to know more about? The ESP-r Cookbook discusses some aspects of the databases. There are dependencies in the databases - constructions make reference to materials as well as to optical propery sets. I have personally been adding and subtracting a number of database entities in the last week and was not prevented from any of the tasks (and I am working with the newest code because some facilities in the databases have changed). -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David Garcia [david.garcias at gmail.com] Sent: 21 October 2010 15:10 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Database problems. Hi all, I'm having a lot of problems trying to manage the materials and constructions databases in ESP-r, which I'm trying is simply create a new database, define new materials with all their properties, but de GUI in ESP-r seems like it can manage that. It looks like some people have create independent GUI for this task, can somebody help me in their GUI? Thanks in advance -- David GARCIA SANCHEZ ------------------------------------------------------------ D?partement Syst?mes ?nerg?tiques Environnement Ecole des Mines de Nantes 4, Rue Alfred Kastler 44300 Nantes France ------------------------------------------------------------ Email: david.garcia-sanchez at emn.fr Tel: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 14 Mobile: +33 (0) 6 78 15 08 09 Fax: +33 (0) 2 51 85 82 99 ------------------------------------------------------------ From anthonynone at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 03:01:12 2010 From: anthonynone at gmail.com (anthony maitos) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 03:01:12 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: How to build esp-r on Ubuntu 10.04beta In-Reply-To: <147918104299290299582276544262514208746-Webmail@me.com> References: <147918104299290299582276544262514208746-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: Hi. I would like to confirm that the instructions for Ubuntu 10.04, are suitable for building the development branch on Ubuntu Maverick 10.10 as well (desktop 32bit). ---------------- Antony Maitos. 2010/4/4 ???? > Hello. > > I tried make of esp-r on Ubuntu 10.04beta. The method of doing the build is > shown as follows. > > $ sudo apt-get install subversion > $ svn checkout https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/trunk > > $ sudo apt-get install build-essential > $ sudo apt-get install console-tools-dev > $ sudo apt-get install expect-dev > $ sudo apt-get install gfortran > $ sudo apt-get install gettext > $ sudo apt-get install libtool > $ sudo apt-get install linux-source > $ sudo apt-get install subversion-tools > $ sudo apt-get install valgrind > $ sudo apt-get install libxml2-dev > $ sudo apt-get install netpbm > $ sudo apt-get install libx11-6-dbg > $ sudo apt-get install enscript > $ sudo apt-get install psutils > $ sudo apt-get install gsfonts-x11 > > When GTK is used with esp-r, the GTK library is installed as follows. > > $ sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev > > It moves to the directory that has preserved the source code. > > $ sudo ./Install -d /opt/esru --gcc4 > > > ----- > Name : Koji Takemasa (Dr. Eng.) > E-mail : koji_takemasa at mac.com > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101103/b15bfc08/attachment.html From grobe at gmx.net Wed Nov 3 12:05:12 2010 From: grobe at gmx.net (Lars O. Grobe) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 13:05:12 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Building 11.9 on Ubuntu: Creating binary plant databases [plantc.db1] does not complete Message-ID: <4CD14FF8.6060609@gmx.net> Hi all, this is my first email to the list. I am an architect with some deeper interest in building performance simulation, especially with some background in Radiance and related tools, currently focussing a bit more on ESP-r. I am just trying to build esp-r 11.9 on my Ubuntu 10.10 AMD64 system. I am calling the install script as such: Install -d $(CURDIR)/debian/tmp/usr --force --xml --X11 --gcc3-fpe --silent As I am on a recent Ubuntu installation, my gcc is 4.4, not 4.1. Unfortunately I have experienced that the build kind of hangs when installing the standard databases. The last lines of output from the install script indicate: Installing standard databases. This may take some time. - Removing existing databases... Done. - Creating binary materials databases... Done. - Creating binary event profiles databases ... Done. - Creating binary plant databases [plantc.db1]... There is no further progress, pdb is running for hours at 100% CPU load. Another side-note, I found what looks like a limitation on the path string during build: make[2]: Betrete Verzeichnis '/home/lars/packaging/esp-r/espr-11.9/src/lib' gfortran -I../include -I../shocc -I/usr/local/include -I../cetc/h3kreports -DLIN -DX11 -fno-automatic -DGCC4 -c esru_libNonGTK.F ../include/espinstalldir.h:3.18: Included at esru_libNonGTK.F:3931: instpath = '/home/lars/packaging/esp-r/espr-11.9/debian/tmp/usr/e 1 Error: Unterminated character constant beginning at (1) The instpath string variable obviously got cut off. This will never appear for people building ESP-r with a target such as /usr or /opt, but those trying to work with a deeper directory tree will find the build to fail. Cheers, Lars. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 3740 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Url : http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101103/1c8a7444/attachment.bin From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Nov 3 18:49:24 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 18:49:24 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Building 11.9 on Ubuntu: Creating binary plant databases [plantc.db1] does not complete In-Reply-To: <4CD14FF8.6060609@gmx.net> References: <4CD14FF8.6060609@gmx.net> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413017184A65BD7@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> With the GCC 4.4 you will need to include the directives --gcc4 --compiler_version -4.4 the gcc3-fpe should probably not be used. The path issue - install ESP-r to a shorter path e.g. /usr/esru or /opt/esru or /home/lars/esru -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Lars O. Grobe [grobe at gmx.net] Sent: 03 November 2010 12:05 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Building 11.9 on Ubuntu: Creating binary plant databases [plantc.db1] does not complete Hi all, this is my first email to the list. I am an architect with some deeper interest in building performance simulation, especially with some background in Radiance and related tools, currently focussing a bit more on ESP-r. I am just trying to build esp-r 11.9 on my Ubuntu 10.10 AMD64 system. I am calling the install script as such: Install -d $(CURDIR)/debian/tmp/usr --force --xml --X11 --gcc3-fpe --silent As I am on a recent Ubuntu installation, my gcc is 4.4, not 4.1. Unfortunately I have experienced that the build kind of hangs when installing the standard databases. The last lines of output from the install script indicate: Installing standard databases. This may take some time. - Removing existing databases... Done. - Creating binary materials databases... Done. - Creating binary event profiles databases ... Done. - Creating binary plant databases [plantc.db1]... There is no further progress, pdb is running for hours at 100% CPU load. Another side-note, I found what looks like a limitation on the path string during build: make[2]: Betrete Verzeichnis '/home/lars/packaging/esp-r/espr-11.9/src/lib' gfortran -I../include -I../shocc -I/usr/local/include -I../cetc/h3kreports -DLIN -DX11 -fno-automatic -DGCC4 -c esru_libNonGTK.F ../include/espinstalldir.h:3.18: Included at esru_libNonGTK.F:3931: instpath = '/home/lars/packaging/esp-r/espr-11.9/debian/tmp/usr/e 1 Error: Unterminated character constant beginning at (1) The instpath string variable obviously got cut off. This will never appear for people building ESP-r with a target such as /usr or /opt, but those trying to work with a deeper directory tree will find the build to fail. Cheers, Lars. From aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 11:22:22 2010 From: aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk (Aizaz Samuel) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2010 11:22:22 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Building 11.9 on Ubuntu: Creating binary plant databases [plantc.db1] does not complete In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413017184A65BD7@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <4CD14FF8.6060609@gmx.net> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413017184A65BD7@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4CD2976E.6060903@strath.ac.uk> I have recently built ESP-r on Ubuntu 10.10 on a 32-bit processor. There was no problem using gcc4.4 The problem with pdb might stem from there already being an executable by the same name on most linux systems (try "which pdb" to see what I mean). It usually lives at /usr/bin/pdb The workaround is: 1. Name /usr/bin/pdb something else temporarily (or permanently as I have done in the past). 2. Edit the PATH environment variable to give precedence to the ESP-r executables. 3. Type the full pdb executable path when invoking it. Option 1 should work during installing from source. Regards, Aizaz On 03/11/2010 18:49, Jon Hand wrote: > With the GCC 4.4 you will need to include the directives --gcc4 --compiler_version -4.4 > > the gcc3-fpe should probably not be used. > > The path issue - install ESP-r to a shorter path e.g. /usr/esru or /opt/esru > or /home/lars/esru > > -Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Lars O. Grobe [grobe at gmx.net] > Sent: 03 November 2010 12:05 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Building 11.9 on Ubuntu: Creating binary plant databases [plantc.db1] does not complete > > Hi all, > > this is my first email to the list. I am an architect with some deeper > interest in building performance simulation, especially with some > background in Radiance and related tools, currently focussing a bit more > on ESP-r. > > I am just trying to build esp-r 11.9 on my Ubuntu 10.10 AMD64 system. > > I am calling the install script as such: > > Install -d $(CURDIR)/debian/tmp/usr --force --xml --X11 --gcc3-fpe --silent > > As I am on a recent Ubuntu installation, my gcc is 4.4, not 4.1. > > Unfortunately I have experienced that the build kind of hangs when > installing the standard databases. The last lines of output from the > install script indicate: > > Installing standard databases. This may take some time. > - Removing existing databases... Done. > - Creating binary materials databases... Done. > - Creating binary event profiles databases ... Done. > - Creating binary plant databases [plantc.db1]... > > There is no further progress, pdb is running for hours at 100% CPU load. > > Another side-note, I found what looks like a limitation on the path > string during build: > > make[2]: Betrete Verzeichnis '/home/lars/packaging/esp-r/espr-11.9/src/lib' > gfortran -I../include -I../shocc -I/usr/local/include > -I../cetc/h3kreports -DLIN -DX11 -fno-automatic -DGCC4 -c > esru_libNonGTK.F > ../include/espinstalldir.h:3.18: > Included at esru_libNonGTK.F:3931: > > instpath = '/home/lars/packaging/esp-r/espr-11.9/debian/tmp/usr/e > 1 > Error: Unterminated character constant beginning at (1) > > The instpath string variable obviously got cut off. This will never > appear for people building ESP-r with a target such as /usr or /opt, but > those trying to work with a deeper directory tree will find the build to > fail. > > Cheers, Lars. > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From g.ulukavak.harputlugil at gmail.com Thu Nov 4 13:33:43 2010 From: g.ulukavak.harputlugil at gmail.com (Gulsu Ulukavak Harputlugil) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 14:33:43 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] problem with vertex axis input in windows version Message-ID: I start using esp-r windows version and I cannot be able to create a zone!.. I want to input dimensions and each time I did, the y axis became 0.00 for all the vertexes just after I saved and exit menu. The dimension I inserted for y axis was transfered to z axis and y became 0.00...I tried it thousands of time but can not be succesful to manage vertex dimensions...Formerly I did many modelling by esp-r in cygwin environment but this is the first time I use in native windows. I tried both in XP and Vista, nothing changed...Is there a problem with the windows version or did I something wrong? Wiil you please help me? Thanks. Gulsu Ulukavak Harputlugil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101104/b8baaf40/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 13:37:54 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 13:37:54 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: problem with vertex axis input in windows version In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413017184A65BE0@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> The first thing to check is the LOCALE of the machine. ESP-r assumes that the decimal in real numbers is a dot. Some locale assume a comma as a decimal point that that totally confuses ESP-r. It will mess up any existing model very quickly. The 2nd thing is what version - the last official version has an issue with creating new surfaces which has been fixed with the BETA version which is available with the download site. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Gulsu Ulukavak Harputlugil [g.ulukavak.harputlugil at gmail.com] Sent: 04 November 2010 13:33 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] problem with vertex axis input in windows version I start using esp-r windows version and I cannot be able to create a zone!.. I want to input dimensions and each time I did, the y axis became 0.00 for all the vertexes just after I saved and exit menu. The dimension I inserted for y axis was transfered to z axis and y became 0.00...I tried it thousands of time but can not be succesful to manage vertex dimensions...Formerly I did many modelling by esp-r in cygwin environment but this is the first time I use in native windows. I tried both in XP and Vista, nothing changed...Is there a problem with the windows version or did I something wrong? Wiil you please help me? Thanks. Gulsu Ulukavak Harputlugil From adhi_vanjava at yahoo.ca Wed Nov 3 19:08:33 2010 From: adhi_vanjava at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?Q?AdhiS=FC=DF?=) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 12:08:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [esp-r] Re: esp-r on windows 7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <400774.19294.qm@web62206.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hi Arianna, I had the same problem with Windows Vista, then what I did is: doing installation on Windows Xp first and then export folder esru to the new operating system. Of course, before you call esp-r, you must edit the path on bash first. Good luck cheers Adhi ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 00:50:51 +0000 From: A.Sdei at brighton.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] esp-r on windows 7 To: Message-ID: <19975A316C67744D9720DD2F6AB1FC660A7C07A4 at EXCHANGE1.university.brighton.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, I have installed cygwin and run the script to install ESP-r but is stopping when checking the operating system, has anyone any idea about what to do? Thank you very much, Arianna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gulsu Ulukavak Harputlugil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101104/bf28daff/attachment.html From grobe at gmx.net Wed Nov 3 18:55:28 2010 From: grobe at gmx.net (Lars O. Grobe) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 19:55:28 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Building 11.9 on Ubuntu: Creating binary plant databases [plantc.db1] does not complete In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413017184A65BD7@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <4CD14FF8.6060609@gmx.net> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413017184A65BD7@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4CD1B020.7090809@gmx.net> Hi Jon, thank you for the quick reply! On 03.11.2010 19:49, Jon Hand wrote: > With the GCC 4.4 you will need to include the directives --gcc4 --compiler_version -4.4 > the gcc3-fpe should probably not be used. I will try that! > The path issue - install ESP-r to a shorter path e.g. /usr/esru or /opt/esru > or /home/lars/esru Is there any chance that this limitation will be changed? It is quite uncommon to find a limitation in path length like that. I would like to create a deb-package for esp-r, e.g., which is really hard if I have to limit path-names. Cheers, Lars. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 3740 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Url : http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101103/637e62f7/attachment-0001.bin From ptavares at isec.pt Mon Nov 8 16:31:13 2010 From: ptavares at isec.pt (Paulo Filipe de Almeida Ferreira Tavares) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 16:31:13 -0000 Subject: [esp-r] Electrochromic glazing Message-ID: <1625FB29959296499A2997A53E23F54202D1011D@mailx.isec.pt> Hi all. I'm modelling an electrochromic window. My doubt is: in TMC can i have more than 2 positions? The normal and the "dark/clear" position? What about the middle ones? Could i have, for example 3 replacement positions corresponding to intermediate positions of the transition glass (of course with different set-points)? I found an article presented at "Building Simulation 2009" - "Implementation and application of a new bi-directional solar modelling method for complex facades within the ESP-r building simulation program" that refers to "Advanced optics" and "Optics control". In this module we can define 6 (max) different datasets and we can switch among them. This module is better (i think) than the TMC control, because is more flexible. My doubt is how i link the control definitions with the input datasets? Where i define these datasets? Can anyone explain me a little bit more about this "bi-directional solar modelling method"? Thanks in advance. Regards, Paulo Tavares -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101108/013882d5/attachment.html From francesco.frontini at polimi.it Tue Nov 9 09:35:01 2010 From: francesco.frontini at polimi.it (Francesco Frontini) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 10:35:01 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Electrochromic glazing Message-ID: Dear Paulo Tavares, I am not working now on Electrochromic glazing but here at ISE we had a project several years ago about Switchable facade. You can fine more information on the internet site: http://www.eu-swift.de/ In this project the dynamic properties of the glazing are considered within the models, by defining several switching states for each facade type. The switching was modelled as an instantaneous change of properties, so that the glazing properties are changed within the simulation run time, depending on the control strategy. The glazing was modelled within ESP-r (I guess there is also an exemplar model in the ESP-r distribution). Let?s now speak about the Bi-directional model we implemented last year in ESP-r. As you wrote in your e-mail the model is more flexible than the TMC. We implemented this model because we would like to assess different glazing facade configuration (f.e. external venitian blind with different slat angles) toghether with complex fenestration properties (not rotationally symmetric). You have two different possibilities to link the control strategies of the glazing systems: 1) An option for ?optics? control has been developed with the same way as for the other control options in ESP-r. You can find it under the "optics" menu. You have to difine a control loop and then you have the option to define sensor, actuator and period data (f.e. incident radiation on the external surface). 2) The second option is to use the temporal definitions file to specify how the datasets should alternate at every timestep. You can find it under the menu ?model context? and then on ?impose measure data?. Just one remark: you have to create your input file (g-value, direct transm and ext-reflectance) in advance as function of the sun position (altitude and azimuth for example). Hope this is now more clear for you. Please let me know if I can help you somehow! Regards Francesco -- Dr. Francesco Frontini, MEng PhD in Buildings Engineering ---------------------------------------- Fraunhofer Institut f?r Solare Energiesysteme ISE Heidenhofstr. 2, 79110 Freiburg, Germany M1:? ? [+39] 333-3097826 M2:? ? [+49] (0)1522-1624691 Phone: [+49] (0)7614588-5358 FAX:?? 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I am trying to simulate a central heater controlling the temperature in an outer room indirectly due to ventilation. When I run it the temperature in the room with the sensor fluctuates below the heating set-point, while the temperature in the room with the actuator stays right at the set point. If the control loop was responding to where I placed the sensor, the first room should reach a higher temperature until the second room reaches the set-point. I've tried different combinations (like sense current zone, vs. sense temp in specific zone) but I can't get it to control the right zone. By the way, I am using the beta release for native windows. With the previous version, the program would immediately shut down when I tried to access the controls section, so I'm glad it's working now. -Adam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The controller to look for is multi-sensor controller. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kutrich, Adam [adamk at spu.edu] Sent: 12 November 2010 07:31 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Ideal controls Is it possible to have an ideal control with the sensor in a different zone than the actuator? I am trying to simulate a central heater controlling the temperature in an outer room indirectly due to ventilation. When I run it the temperature in the room with the sensor fluctuates below the heating set-point, while the temperature in the room with the actuator stays right at the set point. If the control loop was responding to where I placed the sensor, the first room should reach a higher temperature until the second room reaches the set-point. I?ve tried different combinations (like sense current zone, vs. sense temp in specific zone) but I can?t get it to control the right zone. By the way, I am using the beta release for native windows. With the previous version, the program would immediately shut down when I tried to access the controls section, so I?m glad it?s working now. -Adam From ikram7074 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 18 15:52:28 2010 From: ikram7074 at yahoo.com (akram dandu) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 07:52:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [esp-r] Create measured climate file in ESP-r Message-ID: <804899.54537.qm@web31403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear All, I'm sorry. How can I possibly create my own measured?climate file in .xls?(see file) and import it into a binary ESP-r climate file. The data was taken for 1 day?with?a time step?every 10 minutes.?Please, I do really need some?advice on this. Best Regards, Akram?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Then you have to supply the measured data in the form of a .tdfa file or you can insert your measurements after you transform them into single columns files. Once they are transformed into columns, you can use the facility to import the columns within the temporal file An example of such a temporal file can be found within the validation models. Regards. Anthony Maitos. On 18 November 2010 17:52, akram dandu wrote: > Dear All, > I'm sorry. How can I possibly create my own measured climate file in > .xls (see file) and import it into a binary ESP-r climate file. The data was > taken for 1 day with a time step every 10 minutes. Please, I do really need > some advice on this. > > > Best Regards, > Akram > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There might be other approaches that would work? Any suggestions out there? -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of victor bunster [victorbunster at gmail.com] Sent: 23 November 2010 22:47 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] main folder location Hi, Is possible to choose where to save the main folder when you start a new project? I'm trying in both text mode and the gui doing "/home/me/Desktop/project001/file" but still saves it in the "home/me" folder. Thanks, From lmd26 at tee.gr Wed Nov 24 08:47:53 2010 From: lmd26 at tee.gr (Dimitris Mantas) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 10:47:53 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: main folder location References: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130177E98EBEDE@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <04C01D1E58EA440DB59B2A691203FE34@MULL> For the same reason I've modified my esp-r batch as follows, in order to start in the folder I keep all of my projects. As you see I've also included a reminder for the locality settings and a change in the path to cope with a "multiple GTK *.dll problem" I had with v.11.8. Note that this variable change (homepath) is only valid for the esp-r session + the child processes (e.g. running res via prj menus), so you %homepath% will still be "home/me" for other actions. Dimitris *** start of esp-r batch file @rem batch file to start project manager - associate with cfg files @cls @echo . . @echo ***************************************************************************** @echo *** first check appropriate locality settings ("."=decimal ","=seperator) *** @echo ***************************************************************************** @echo . . @echo *************************** RUNNING VERSION 11.9 **************************** @type c:\esru\esp-r\bin\beep @pause @echo starting prj ... @echo off d: cd\sim set homepath=d:\sim @rem next line with path setting not needed anymore; it was needed till v11.8 to cope with the presence of multiple *.dll of the same name @rem set path=c:\GTK\bin;%path% start prj -size 130 0 0 -file %1 *** end of esp-r batch file ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Hand" To: "victor bunster" ; Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 6:03 AM Subject: [esp-r] Re: main folder location > > The default action of the software is to find the definition of the users > home folder > (we know that we can create files and folders in that location) and use > that. What > I often do is to start the model but before I put in any additional > information I exit prj and > I copy the model folder to the place where I really want it to live, I > change to > that folder and then startup the project manager again focused on the > model > configuration file. > > Perhaps there could be a new environment variable (like $MODELS) which > if it was defined would be used in place of the $HOME environment > variable. > > There might be other approaches that would work? Any suggestions out > there? > > -Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of victor bunster [victorbunster at gmail.com] > Sent: 23 November 2010 22:47 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] main folder location > > Hi, > Is possible to choose where to save the main folder when you start a new > project? > I'm trying in both text mode and the gui doing > "/home/me/Desktop/project001/file" but still saves it in the "home/me" > folder. > > Thanks, > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > From victorbunster at gmail.com Wed Nov 24 22:44:14 2010 From: victorbunster at gmail.com (victor bunster) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 09:44:14 +1100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: main folder location In-Reply-To: <04C01D1E58EA440DB59B2A691203FE34@MULL> References: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130177E98EBEDE@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> <04C01D1E58EA440DB59B2A691203FE34@MULL> Message-ID: Thanks On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Dimitris Mantas wrote: > For the same reason I've modified my esp-r batch as follows, in order to > start in the folder I keep all > of my projects. As you see I've also included a reminder for the locality > settings and a change in the path > to cope with a "multiple GTK *.dll problem" I had with v.11.8. > > Note that this variable change (homepath) is only valid for the esp-r > session + the child processes (e.g. running res via > prj menus), so you %homepath% will still be "home/me" for other actions. > > Dimitris > > > *** start of esp-r batch file > @rem batch file to start project manager - associate with cfg files > > @cls > > @echo . . > > @echo > ***************************************************************************** > > @echo *** first check appropriate locality settings ("."=decimal > ","=seperator) *** > > @echo > ***************************************************************************** > > @echo . . > > @echo *************************** RUNNING VERSION 11.9 > **************************** > > @type c:\esru\esp-r\bin\beep > > @pause > > @echo starting prj ... > > @echo off > > d: > > cd\sim > > set homepath=d:\sim > > @rem next line with path setting not needed anymore; it was needed till > v11.8 to cope with the presence of multiple *.dll of the same name > > @rem set path=c:\GTK\bin;%path% > > start prj -size 130 0 0 -file %1 > > > > *** end of esp-r batch file > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Hand" > To: "victor bunster" ; > Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 6:03 AM > Subject: [esp-r] Re: main folder location > > > >> The default action of the software is to find the definition of the users >> home folder >> (we know that we can create files and folders in that location) and use >> that. What >> I often do is to start the model but before I put in any additional >> information I exit prj and >> I copy the model folder to the place where I really want it to live, I >> change to >> that folder and then startup the project manager again focused on the >> model >> configuration file. >> >> Perhaps there could be a new environment variable (like $MODELS) which >> if it was defined would be used in place of the $HOME environment >> variable. >> >> There might be other approaches that would work? Any suggestions out >> there? >> >> -Jon Hand >> ________________________________________ >> From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of victor bunster [victorbunster at gmail.com] >> Sent: 23 November 2010 22:47 >> To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> Subject: [esp-r] main folder location >> >> Hi, >> Is possible to choose where to save the main folder when you start a new >> project? >> I'm trying in both text mode and the gui doing >> "/home/me/Desktop/project001/file" but still saves it in the "home/me" >> folder. >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> esp-r mailing list >> >> esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101125/11da13b1/attachment.html From victorbunster at gmail.com Thu Nov 25 02:41:37 2010 From: victorbunster at gmail.com (victor bunster) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 13:41:37 +1100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: result analysis in text mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: (previous email was not clear enough) The reason why I need this without entering the GUI is because I'm generating the geometry and performing the simulations with bash files and (ideally) I should do another bash to analyze and inform the generation file to change the geometry and complete the loop without manual input. Any suggestions is welcome. Cheers, On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 1:31 PM, victor bunster wrote: > Hello, > > I'm doing some geometric simulations using bash files to control espr in > text mode. > Is possible to save the results in a .txt or to read the .res file without > entering the GUI? > I need only average temperatures and moisture of one unique zone for > comfort analysis. > > Thanks, > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101125/cc6e9e4b/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Nov 25 03:42:53 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 03:42:53 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: result analysis in text mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130177E98EBEEE@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A question about recovering results. The results analysis module can be driven via a script on OSX and Linux and within the Cygwin environment on a Windows box. Essentially you need to run res in text mode manually one time and record the keystrokes you use into a text file. Examples of this can be seen in the validation/benchmark/QAmodel_/\1.1/cfg in the scripts ANALYSE This can save lots of time when you need to do the same kind of results recovery many times. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of victor bunster [victorbunster at gmail.com] Sent: 25 November 2010 02:31 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] result analysis in text mode Hello, I'm doing some geometric simulations using bash files to control espr in text mode. Is possible to save the results in a .txt or to read the .res file without entering the GUI? I need only average temperatures and moisture of one unique zone for comfort analysis. Thanks, From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Nov 25 03:47:46 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 03:47:46 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: result analysis in text mode In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130177E98EBEEF@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> In the previous email discussing ANALYSE script there is also a TEST script which coordinates the running of several models and recovering standard reports from each assessment. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of victor bunster [victorbunster at gmail.com] Sent: 25 November 2010 02:41 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: result analysis in text mode (previous email was not clear enough) The reason why I need this without entering the GUI is because I'm generating the geometry and performing the simulations with bash files and (ideally) I should do another bash to analyze and inform the generation file to change the geometry and complete the loop without manual input. Any suggestions is welcome. Cheers, On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 1:31 PM, victor bunster > wrote: Hello, I'm doing some geometric simulations using bash files to control espr in text mode. Is possible to save the results in a .txt or to read the .res file without entering the GUI? I need only average temperatures and moisture of one unique zone for comfort analysis. Thanks, From aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk Fri Nov 26 11:45:23 2010 From: aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk (Aizaz Samuel) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 11:45:23 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: result analysis in text mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CEF9DD3.8080101@strath.ac.uk> Victor, You can change geometry (or any other) files external to ESP-r using a stream editor like sed. I recently did that for a project and can now create tens of variant geometry files with minimal manual effort. Regards, Aizaz On 11/25/2010 02:41 AM, victor bunster wrote: > (previous email was not clear enough) > > The reason why I need this without entering the GUI is because I'm > generating the geometry and performing the simulations with bash files > and (ideally) I should do another bash to analyze and inform the > generation file to change the geometry and complete the loop without > manual input. Any suggestions is welcome. > > Cheers, > > > On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 1:31 PM, victor bunster > > wrote: > > Hello, > > I'm doing some geometric simulations using bash files to control > espr in text mode. > Is possible to save the results in a .txt or to read the .res file > without entering the GUI? > I need only average temperatures and moisture of one unique zone > for comfort analysis. > > Thanks, > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101126/fdbbb131/attachment.html From victorbunster at gmail.com Sun Nov 28 03:23:50 2010 From: victorbunster at gmail.com (victor bunster) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 14:23:50 +1100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: result analysis in text mode In-Reply-To: <4CEF9DD3.8080101@strath.ac.uk> References: <4CEF9DD3.8080101@strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: Thanks, I haven't noticed it is possible to access all different espr modules (prj, bps, res, etc). And thanks for sharing sed, it will make thinks much easier. On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 10:45 PM, Aizaz Samuel wrote: > Victor, > > You can change geometry (or any other) files external to ESP-r using a > stream editor like sed. I recently did that for a project and can now create > tens of variant geometry files with minimal manual effort. > > Regards, > Aizaz > > > > On 11/25/2010 02:41 AM, victor bunster wrote: > > (previous email was not clear enough) > > The reason why I need this without entering the GUI is because I'm > generating the geometry and performing the simulations with bash files and > (ideally) I should do another bash to analyze and inform the generation file > to change the geometry and complete the loop without manual input. Any > suggestions is welcome. > > Cheers, > > > On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 1:31 PM, victor bunster wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I'm doing some geometric simulations using bash files to control espr in >> text mode. >> Is possible to save the results in a .txt or to read the .res file without >> entering the GUI? >> I need only average temperatures and moisture of one unique zone for >> comfort analysis. >> >> Thanks, >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101128/e9e41860/attachment.html From koji_takemasa at me.com Sun Nov 28 12:15:08 2010 From: koji_takemasa at me.com (=?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCSXBALxsoQiAbJEI5JzwjGyhC?=) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 21:15:08 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] latest esp-r can not read cfg file Message-ID: <92874885-25E4-4898-95FE-C3910D8C6D8C@me.com> Hello. I compiled esp-r yesterday. And, I tried to read the old esp-r file by using latest ESP-r. However, latest esp-r doesn't recognize the rad directory and be not able to read the file of old esp-r files. Is this a bug? Koji Takemasa (Dr. Eng.) From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Sun Nov 28 21:39:25 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 21:39:25 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: latest esp-r can not read cfg file In-Reply-To: <92874885-25E4-4898-95FE-C3910D8C6D8C@me.com> References: <92874885-25E4-4898-95FE-C3910D8C6D8C@me.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130177E98EBEFE@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> The rad folder is associated with Radiance models. The only time this is used is if you are accessing an existing Radiance model or creating a new radiance model. ESP-r models have many files - can you be more specific about which file that ESP-r is not reading? a) what specifically were you doing when it happened? b) was there a message on the screen? c) when was the 'old' esp-r model made? d) what age is the source code that you were compiling from and which branch? e) what operating system and compiler version did you use? Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ?? ?? [koji_takemasa at me.com] Sent: 28 November 2010 12:15 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] latest esp-r can not read cfg file Hello. I compiled esp-r yesterday. And, I tried to read the old esp-r file by using latest ESP-r. However, latest esp-r doesn't recognize the rad directory and be not able to read the file of old esp-r files. Is this a bug? Koji Takemasa (Dr. Eng.) _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From g.sigalas at student.tue.nl Sat Dec 4 15:35:24 2010 From: g.sigalas at student.tue.nl (Sigalas, G.) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 16:35:24 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r installation on windows 7 Message-ID: <5943B726A91E9B428D2A613E5900508C661F6BDD3D@EXCHANGE13.campus.tue.nl> I have been trying to install esp-r on Windows 7 but I have some problems. I want to install the Cygwin version. First I tried to install the precompiled version with the file '' esp-r_v11.9_cygwin_precomp.run'', but the installation stops when it is checking the OS compatibility, so I guessed that this file is not compatible with Windows 7. Then I tried to compile the file myself, following the instructions of the file '' setting_up_cygwin_may2009''. In this doc it says: ''Create a folder named cvsdude. The command sequence to create this is: cd mkdir Src cd Src mkdir cvsdude cd cvsdude At this point you can use the tool 'svn' to place a copy of the standard version of ESP-r within a local "sand-box". The command syntax is: svn checkout https://esp-r.net/espr/esp-r/branches/development_branch This will can scores of MB of files to be downloaded into a folder named development_branch. Within the folder development_branch will be sub-folders src and tester.'' I make the folder cvsdude, but when I enter the command ''svn checkout https://esp-r.net/espr/esp-r/branches/development_branch'', there is no folder development_branch created, and nothing happens whatsoever. Any clues as how could I install esp-r on windows 7? Thank you, Georgios Sigalas -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101204/84be8d4a/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Sat Dec 4 22:10:19 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 22:10:19 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: ESP-r installation on windows 7 In-Reply-To: <5943B726A91E9B428D2A613E5900508C661F6BDD3D@EXCHANGE13.campus.tue.nl> References: <5943B726A91E9B428D2A613E5900508C661F6BDD3D@EXCHANGE13.campus.tue.nl> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130177E98EBF33@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Question about Cygwin and Windows 7.... There was a system recognition glitch in the installer that did not recognize Windows 7 - this should be sorted with the next release. My understanding is the Install script has also been updated to recognize Windows 7 as a compiling environment. The location of the source has changed from that noted in the document. The current location is svn checkout https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/branches/development_branch Perhaps others who have done recent Windows 7 installs/builds can provide additional information. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Sigalas, G. [g.sigalas at student.tue.nl] Sent: 04 December 2010 15:35 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r installation on windows 7 I have been trying to install esp-r on Windows 7 but I have some problems. I want to install the Cygwin version. First I tried to install the precompiled version with the file ?? esp-r_v11.9_cygwin_precomp.run??, but the installation stops when it is checking the OS compatibility, so I guessed that this file is not compatible with Windows 7. Then I tried to compile the file myself, following the instructions of the file ?? setting_up_cygwin_may2009??. In this doc it says: ??Create a folder named cvsdude. The command sequence to create this is: cd mkdir Src cd Src mkdir cvsdude cd cvsdude At this point you can use the tool 'svn' to place a copy of the standard version of ESP-r within a local "sand-box". The command syntax is: svn checkout https://esp-r.net/espr/esp-r/branches/development_branch This will can scores of MB of files to be downloaded into a folder named development_branch. Within the folder development_branch will be sub-folders src and tester.?? I make the folder cvsdude, but when I enter the command ??svn checkout https://esp-r.net/espr/esp-r/branches/development_branch??, there is no folder development_branch created, and nothing happens whatsoever. Any clues as how could I install esp-r on windows 7? Thank you, Georgios Sigalas From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 07:46:15 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 07:46:15 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] New version of ESP-r Cookbook on the ESRU web site Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130177E98EBF51@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> The ESP-r Cookbook has been expanded! Chapter 9 now includes a discussion of the various results save options in the simulator including a discussion about the directives that can go into a model input.xml file to drive the creation of CSV and XML output reports. There are examples of save zero, save five and save level six reports. Chapter 10 now includes a review of the performance metrics that are available in the results analysis module as well as the different reports and graph types that are available. It discusses the menu structure (where to go to get what type of information) as well as some hints on improving your methods for discovering what is really happening in a model. There are examples of energy balances (and what each of the entries mean) as well as sample outputs from timestep listings and the monthly reports (and what each of those columns mean). You can find this on the ESRU web pages at http://www.strath.ac.uk/esru Look under Software -> ESP-r for the user's guide. (Note: the publications page still has the Nov 2008 version PDF file) Future updates will include the treatment of linear thermal bridges and how to script the recovery of selected performance metrics via the results analysis module. And if there is a topic you would really like to see handled in the Cookbook send me a message and perhaps it will be possible. Regards, Jon Hand From francesco.frontini at polimi.it Tue Dec 7 20:33:51 2010 From: francesco.frontini at polimi.it (Francesco Frontini) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 21:33:51 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: New version of ESP-r Cookbook on the ESRU web site (Jon Hand) Message-ID: Hi Jon, great news and good Job. Thanks a lot Francesco -- Dr. Francesco Frontini, MEng PhD in Buildings Engineering ---------------------------------------- Fraunhofer Institut f?r Solare Energiesysteme ISE Heidenhofstr. 2, 79110 Freiburg, Germany M1:? ? [+39] 333-3097826 M2:? ? [+49] (0)1522-1624691 Phone: [+49] (0)7614588-5358 FAX:?? [+49] (0)7614588-9358 @1: francesco.frontini at ise.fraunhofer.de @2: francesco.frontini at polimi.it ---------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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My question is how can I model an obstruction block or shading?which 5 or 6 sides? ? ? ?/Per -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101209/32a1cdbd/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Thu Dec 9 15:20:11 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim.geissler) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 16:20:11 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Non-rectangular obstruction block Message-ID: Hi Per you most likely need a newer version of ESP-r or must at least convert your .geo file to the new format with tags. Then you can define non-rectangular obstructions. There should be a menu item "convert to free form" (or similar) in the obstruction editing menu. Best Achim --------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: perhaugaard at yahoo.dk An: "ESP-r_ny" Betreff: [esp-r] Non-rectangular obstruction block Datum: 09/12/10 15:52 Hi, ? I am working in ESP-r version 11.4 modeling a building with a large non-rectangular roof?which shades?the south facaing facades. ? I read in a prior mail from Jon, that obstruction blocks can be modelled with 6 sides. This seens hardli possible when looking at the .obs file. ? My question is how can I model an obstruction block or shading?which 5 or 6 sides? ? ? ?/Per _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk (mailto:esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" class="autolink) http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r (http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r" target="_blank" class="autolink) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101209/b0c49a91/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 05:19:36 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 05:19:36 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Non-rectangular obstruction block In-Reply-To: <134872.36634.qm@web26608.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <134872.36634.qm@web26608.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130177E98EBF61@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> An example model which shows a number of variants of obstruction blocks is the 'simple' model with shading. All the obstructions do have 6 sides, but they do not need to be rectangular. And they can have one or two angles of rotation. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Per Haugaard [perhaugaard at yahoo.dk] Sent: 09 December 2010 14:54 To: ESP-r_ny Subject: [esp-r] Non-rectangular obstruction block Hi, I am working in ESP-r version 11.4 modeling a building with a large non-rectangular roof which shades the south facaing facades. I read in a prior mail from Jon, that obstruction blocks can be modelled with 6 sides. This seens hardli possible when looking at the .obs file. My question is how can I model an obstruction block or shading which 5 or 6 sides? /Per From perhaugaard at yahoo.dk Fri Dec 10 10:09:06 2010 From: perhaugaard at yahoo.dk (Per Haugaard) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 10:09:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [esp-r] Re: Non-rectangular obstruction block In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <697340.24855.qm@web26608.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Dear Achim and list, I updated ESP-r to version 11.9 to include non-rectangular polygon obstruction blocks. The first thin I noticed loading the model after the update was the following error mesasge: "Using installed version of esprc file. When scanning materials db looking for legacy index????????? 40 no match found for material named Concrete med density (1800) : Blockwork (UK code)" Is there an easy workaround for this? Secondly the conversion of obstruction blocks to polygons seem to fail and I cannot enter coordinates for the 8 vertices's and hence make polygon obstruction block. Can I enter this manually within the obs-file and how would the syntax look like? Below you will find the present output when making polygon obstruction blocks: # site obstruction file defined in ../zones/Sydlig_del.obs # associated with zone geometry file ../zones/Sydlig_del.geo ?0. 0.?? # dummy values for site position ??? 2??? # no obstruction blocks # origin X Y Z, width, depth, height, rot angle, descr, material 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 Top roof_1 # block 1 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 new_blk NONE # block 2 # grid surf X surf Z ??? 15??? 15 Best regard Per Haugaard ______________________ Per Haugaard, Gr?ndals Parkvej 50, st 2720 Vanl?se Denmark mobil: +45 26 39 06 40 E-mail: perhaugaard at yahoo.dk --- Den tors 9/12/10 skrev Achim.geissler : Fra: Achim.geissler Emne: [esp-r] Re: Non-rectangular obstruction block Til: perhaugaard at yahoo.dk, "ESP-r_ny" Dato: torsdag 9. december 2010 16.20 Hi Per you most likely need a newer version of ESP-r or must at least convert your .geo file to the new format with tags. Then you can define non-rectangular obstructions. There should be a menu item "convert to free form" (or similar) in the obstruction editing menu. Best Achim --------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: perhaugaard at yahoo.dk An: "ESP-r_ny" Betreff: [esp-r] Non-rectangular obstruction block Datum: 09/12/10 15:52 Hi, ? I am working in ESP-r version 11.4 modeling a building with a large non-rectangular roof?which shades?the south facaing facades. ? I read in a prior mail from Jon, that obstruction blocks can be modelled with 6 sides. This seens hardli possi! ble when looking at the .obs file. ? My question is how can I model an obstruction block or shading?which 5 or 6 sides? ? ? ?/Per _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -----Inline-vedh?ftet fil f?lger----- _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101210/0e1f90bc/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Fri Dec 10 11:16:52 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim.geissler) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:16:52 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Non-rectangular obstruction block Message-ID: <034bba2b1ac843de0151a3df39c596ed@212.203.77.242> Hi Per the message in regard to materials / constructions is not important, if you are not using the corresponding construction. Otherwise it is probably easiest to edit the construction in the database editor. In regard to obstructions: The .obs file is not used when using the new .geo format. Obstructions are part of the new .geo files. You must convert your .geo files to the new format. Then I would suggest defining one or two simple obstructions and converting only one to polygons. Something like this should end up in the .geo file: # # block entities: #? *obs = obstructions *block_start,20 20 # geometric blocks *obs,-4.900,-7.000,0.000,5.800,1.000,2.950,0.000,blk_1,extern_wall? # block? 1 *obs,1.200,-7.000,0.000,3.600,1.000,2.950,0.000,blk_2,extern_wall? # block? 2 *obsp,8,6,blk_3,extern_wall? # block? 3 coords follow: 5.200,-7.000,0.000,8.800,-7.000,0.000,8.300,-6.000,0.000,5.200,-6.000,0.000? # 1-4 5.200,-7.000,2.950,8.800,-7.000,2.950,8.300,-6.000,2.950,5.200,-6.000,2.950? # 5-8 You then need to calculate shading via the menu options. See the tester model "sloped_obstr". Best Achim --------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: perhaugaard at yahoo.dk An: "ESP-r_ny" , "Achim.geissler" Betreff: [esp-r] Re: Non-rectangular obstruction block Datum: 10/12/10 11:06 Dear Achim and list, I updated ESP-r to version 11.9 to include non-rectangular polygon obstruction blocks. The first thin I noticed loading the model after the update was the following error mesasge: "Using installed version of esprc file. When scanning materials db looking for legacy index????????? 40 no match found for material named Concrete med density (1800) : Blockwork (UK code)" Is there an easy workaround for this? Secondly the conversion of obstruction blocks to polygons seem to fail and I cannot enter coordinates for the 8 vertices's and hence make polygon obstruction block. Can I enter this manually within the obs-file and how would the syntax look like? Below you will find the present output when making polygon obstruction blocks: # site obstruction file defined in ../zones/Sydlig_del.obs # associated with zone geometry file ../zones/Sydlig_del.geo ?0. 0.?? # dummy values for site position ??? 2??? # no obstruction blocks # origin X Y Z, width, depth, height, rot angle, descr, material 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 Top roof_1 # block 1 0.000 0..000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 new_blk NONE # block 2 # grid surf X surf Z ??? 15??? 15 Best regard Per Haugaard ______________________ Per Haugaard, Gr?ndals Parkvej 50, st 2720 Vanl?se Denmark mobil: +45 26 39 06 40 E-mail: perhaugaard at yahoo.dk --- Den tors 9/12/10 skrev Achim.geissler : Fra: Achim.geissler Emne: [esp-r] Re: Non-rectangular obstruction block Til: perhaugaard at yahoo.dk, "ESP-r_ny" Dato: torsdag 9. december 2010 16.20 Hi Per you most likely need a newer version of ESP-r or must at least convert your .geo file to the new format with tags. Then you can define non-rectangular obstructions. There should be a menu item "convert to free form" (or similar) in the obstruction editing menu. Best Achim --------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: perhaugaard at yahoo..dk An: "ESP-r_ny" Betreff: [esp-r] Non-rectangular obstruction block Datum: 09/12/10 15:52 Hi, ? I am working in ESP-r version 11..4 modeling a building with a large non-rectangular roof?which shades?the south facaing facades. ? I read in a prior mail from Jon, that obstruction blocks can be modelled with 6 sides. This seens hardli possi! ble when looking at the .obs file. ? My question is how can I model an obstruction block or shading?which 5 or 6 sides? ? ? ?/Per _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -----Inline-vedh?ftet fil f?lger----- _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk (mc/compose?to=esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk) http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r (http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r" target="_blank) _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk (mailto:esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" class="autolink) http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r (http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r" target="_blank" class="autolink) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101210/237bca86/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Fri Dec 10 18:28:00 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 19:28:00 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Non-rectangular obstruction block In-Reply-To: <289063.12303.qm@web26601.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <289063.12303.qm@web26601.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Per if you haven't already found it in the mean time: I think it is the option "upgrade files" in the "preferences" menu found in the main project manager menu (more or less at the bottom). Best Achim On Dec 10, 2010, at 1:24 PM, Per Haugaard wrote: > Dear Achim and list, > > Thank you for your inputs. > I can't seem to find how or where to convert from the old to the new .geo-format. > Any inputs on this? > > > _______ > --- Den fre 10/12/10 skrev Achim.geissler : > > Fra: Achim.geissler > Emne: AW: [esp-r] Re: Non-rectangular obstruction block > Til: perhaugaard at yahoo.dk, "ESP-r_ny" > Dato: fredag 10. december 2010 12.16 > > Hi Per > > the message in regard to materials / constructions is not important, if you are not using the corresponding construction. Otherwise it is probably easiest to edit the construction in the database editor. > > In regard to obstructions: > The .obs file is not used when using the new .geo format. Obstructions are part of the new .geo files. > > You must convert your .geo files to the new format. Then I would suggest defining one or two simple obstructions and converting only one to polygons. > > Something like this should end up in the .geo file: > > # > # block entities: > # *obs = obstructions > *block_start,20 20 # geometric blocks > *obs,-4.900,-7.000,0.000,5.800,1.000,2.950,0.000,blk_1,extern_wall # block 1 > *obs,1.200,-7.000,0.000,3.600,1.000,2.950,0.000,blk_2,extern_wall # block 2 > *obsp,8,6,blk_3,extern_wall # block 3 coords follow: > 5.200,-7.000,0.000,8.800,-7.000,0.000,8.300,-6.000,0.000,5.200,-6.000,0.000 # 1-4 > 5.200,-7.000,2.950,8.800,-7.000,2.950,8.300,-6.000,2.950,5.200,-6.000,2.950 # 5-8 > > You then need to calculate shading via the menu options. See the tester model "sloped_obstr". > > Best > Achim > > --------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Von: perhaugaard at yahoo.dk > An: "ESP-r_ny" , "Achim.geissler" > Betreff: [esp-r] Re: Non-rectangular obstruction block > Datum: 10/12/10 11:06 > > Dear Achim and list, > > I updated ESP-r to version 11.9 to include non-rectangular polygon obstruction blocks. > > The first thin I noticed loading the model after the update was the following error mesasge: > > "Using inst! alled version of esprc file. > When scanning materials db looking for legacy index 40 > no match found for material named Concrete med density (1800) : Blockwork (UK code)" > > Is there an easy workaround for this? > > Secondly the conversion of obstruction blocks to polygons seem to fail and I cannot enter coordinates for the 8 vertices's and hence make polygon obstruction block. Can I enter this manually within the obs-file and how would the syntax look like? > > Below you will find the present output when making polygon obstruction blocks: > > # site obstruction file defined in ../zones/Sydlig_del.obs > # associated with zone geometry file ../zones/Sydlig_del.geo > 0. 0. # dummy values for site position > 2 # no obstruction blocks > # origin X Y Z, width, depth, height, rot angle, descr, material > 0.000 0.000 0.! 000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 Top roof_1 # block 1 > 0.000 0..000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 new_blk NONE # block 2 > # grid surf X surf Z > 15 15 > > Best regard > > Per Haugaard > > > ______________________ > > Per Haugaard, > Gr?ndals Parkvej 50, st > 2720 Vanl?se > Denmark > > mobil: +45 26 39 06 40 > E-mail: perhaugaard at yahoo.dk > > --- Den tors 9/12/10 skrev Achim.geissler : > > Fra: Achim.geissler > Emne: [esp-r] Re: Non-rectangular obstruction block > Til: perhaugaard at yahoo.dk, "ESP-r_ny" > Dato: torsdag 9. december 2010 16.20 > > Hi Per > > you most likely need a newer ! version of ESP-r or must at least convert your .geo file to the new format with tags. Then you can define non-rectangular obstructions. There should be a menu item "convert to free form" (or similar) in the obstruction editing menu. > > Best > Achim > > --------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Von: perhaugaard at yahoo..dk > An: "ESP-r_ny" > Betreff: [esp-r] Non-rectangular obstruction block > Datum: 09/12/10 15:52 > > Hi, > > I am working in ESP-r version 11..4 modeling a building with a large non-rectangular roof which shades the south facaing facades. > > I read in a prior mail from Jon, that obstruction blocks can be modelled with 6 sides. This seens hardli possi! ble when looking at the .obs file. > > My question is how can I model an obstruction block or shading which 5 or 6 sides? > > > /Per > > > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > -----Inline-vedh?ftet fil f?lger----- > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > achim.geissler at intergga.ch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Did find: /sw/lib/gcc4.4/lib/i386/libgfortran.3.dylib: mach-o, but wrong architecture I can't see from a way from fink / fink commander to install a second 32bit copy of gcc44 but perhaps this is possible somehow? Many thanks Richard 2010/12/13 ?? ?? > Hi. > > The error happens because there is no library of FORTRAN. FORTRAN library > is installed according to the following procedures. > 1)It compiles from the source in 10.6 that installs fink( > http://www.finkproject.org/). > > Please input the command from the terminal as follows. > > 2)fink install gcc44 > > The library of fortran can be installed by this. Please try. > > Regard. > > Koji Takemasa(Dr. Eng.) > > On 2010/12/13, at 19:07, Richard Cochrane wrote: > > Could anybody advise on how to get 11.9 running on Mac OSX Snow Leopard? > I have the 64bit download, and 64bit gcc4.4 installed but when I try to run > prj it trips up looking for the > 32bit /sw/lib/gcc4.4/lib/i386/libgfortran.3.dylib > > Any suggestions gratefully received. > +regards > Richard > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Richard Cochrane [rcc1002 at gmail.com] Sent: 13 December 2010 12:32 To: ?? ??; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: esp-r_x11_v11.9_osx_snow_in_opt 64bit Dear Koji Takemasa I have downloaded the HPC version of Fortran and am pleased to say esp-r is now up and running. I moved only the i386 files to /sw/lib/gcc4.4/lib/i386 to avoid overwriting the fink installed gcc files and so far so good. Many thanks for your help. Kind regards Richard 2010/12/13 ?? ?? > Dear Richard. I also test a similar procedure. Please wait a little. The binary of FORTRAN can be downloaded with HPC Mac OS X(http://hpc.sourceforge.net/). I install this FORTRAN have used it. Koji Takemasa(Dr. Eng.) From rcc1002 at gmail.com Mon Dec 13 14:51:16 2010 From: rcc1002 at gmail.com (Richard Cochrane) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:51:16 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: esp-r_x11_v11.9_osx_snow_in_opt 64bit In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130177E98EBF77@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <12C4BA9F-92FB-47A6-8CA7-7E85788E7D66@me.com> <3627A89B-C3CB-46B5-B306-1761B5F4FA27@me.com> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130177E98EBF77@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: * So I started with a clean installation of 10.6.3 with Xcode, and updated to OS 10.6.5 and Xcode 3.2.4 with software updates. * Then I installed fink http://www.finkproject.org/ and fink commander http://finkcommander.sourceforge.net/ * I installed gcc4.4 using fink commander. * Unarchived esp-r_x11_v11.9_osx_snow_in_opt.tar.gz * Following the instructions in /opt/esru/esp-r/manual/OS/Apple/instructions_for_esp-r_osx_installer.txt to set up /opt folder and permissions, I then copied the files from the unzipped archive to the /opt/esru folder. * Added export PATH=/usr/local/bin:/opt/esru/esp-r/bin/:$PATH to my .profile file When this didn't work, following Dr Koji Takemasa's advice i downloaded gcc from http://sourceforge.net/projects/hpc/files/hpc/gcc/gcc-snwleo-intel-bin.tar.gz/download . I copied the i386 folder from the HPC gcc package to the folder /sw/lib/gcc4.4/lib that fink had created. There are probably better ways to get the two versions of gcc working - and I haven't tried removing the 64 bit version to see if esp-r still runs or if both are required however I do now have a working installation... Thanks for the help - and I hope this helps others if they get stuck. +regards Richard 2010/12/13 Jon Hand > > If those people who have successfully gotten ESP-r compiled and running > on OSX 10.6 it would be great if you would write down as much of the > detail of what you (and the order you did it) did so that the documentation > in the source distribution and developers guide can be updated. > > Regards, Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Richard Cochrane [rcc1002 at gmail.com] > Sent: 13 December 2010 12:32 > To: ?? ??; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Re: esp-r_x11_v11.9_osx_snow_in_opt 64bit > > Dear Koji Takemasa > I have downloaded the HPC version of Fortran and am pleased to say esp-r is > now up and running. > I moved only the i386 files to /sw/lib/gcc4.4/lib/i386 to avoid overwriting > the fink installed gcc files and so far so good. > Many thanks for your help. > Kind regards > Richard > > > 2010/12/13 ?? ?? > > Dear Richard. > > I also test a similar procedure. Please wait a little. > > The binary of FORTRAN can be downloaded with HPC Mac OS X( > http://hpc.sourceforge.net/). > > I install this FORTRAN have used it. > > Koji Takemasa(Dr. Eng.) > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101213/2856fac6/attachment.html From francesco.frontini at polimi.it Mon Dec 13 19:46:23 2010 From: francesco.frontini at polimi.it (francesco.frontini at polimi.it) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 20:46:23 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Effect of PCM in roof construction Message-ID: <20101213204623.169178u8id7c0vks@webmail.polimi.it> Dear all, do you have any experience of PCM on external roof felt? A colleague would like to simulate the effect of PCM if they are integrated in flat roof construction. We try to use the model implemented in ESP-r and seems to work properly (we have some doubt on the input parameters) but he realized that the PCM has a really small influence on the inside surface temperature. Any experience or suggestion? Best regard Francesco ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Dec 14 09:22:02 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 09:22:02 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] radiant and convective split for occupants Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130177E98EBF85@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> I am updating some documentation about occupants in buildings related to the radiant and convective split of sensible gains and I find that there are a number of exemplar models that simply default to 50% radiant. If I look at the exemplar models that come with EnergyPlus I see most of them are setting the radiant fraction of occupants to 30% and at least one paper mentioned 40%. A Google search comes up with suggestions for what the sensible is but mentions of how it is distributed seem to be well hidden. In densely populated spaces this must have an impact. Does anyone have some or know about ... a) opinions that they would like to share b) some references that discuss this c) some papers that talk about it Regards, Jon Hand From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Tue Dec 14 10:04:53 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim.geissler) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 11:04:53 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: radiant and convective split for occupants Message-ID: Hi Jon there is, of course, no single pair of numbers. The distribution highly depends on surroundings, activity rate and clothing level. As CIBSE Guide A (chapter 6.3) states, "between 20 and 60% of the sensible heat emission can be radiant depending on type of clothing, activity, mean radiant temperature and air velocity". The ASHRAE Fundamentals have an extensive chapter on Physiological Principles and Thermal Comfort and give equations for the various heat transfer mechanisms. For "sedentiary office work", I have a (german) source that gives approx. 40 % radiative at 20 ?C and approx 32 % radiative at 26 ?C office temperatures (with total sensible heat loss of 90 and 70 W, respectively - the total value is approx. 120 W for both temperatures). Interestingly, this source discerns between radiative, conductive and convective. But the conductive part is only approx. 8 - 10 % and is probably usually added to the convective part. Best Achim --------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: "Jon Hand" An: "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" Betreff: [esp-r] radiant and convective split for occupants Datum: 14/12/10 10:23 I am updating some documentation about occupants in buildings related to the radiant and convective split of sensible gains and I find that there are a number of exemplar models that simply default to 50% radiant. If I look at the exemplar models that come with EnergyPlus I see most of them are setting the radiant fraction of occupants to 30% and at least one paper mentioned 40%. A Google search comes up with suggestions for what the sensible is but mentions of how it is distributed seem to be well hidden. In densely populated spaces this must have an impact. Does anyone have some or know about ... a) opinions that they would like to share b) some references that discuss this c) some papers that talk about it Regards, Jon Hand _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk (mailto:esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" class="autolink) http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r (http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r" target="_blank" class="autolink) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101214/580767fa/attachment.html From bejlniu at inet.polyu.edu.hk Tue Dec 14 13:16:31 2010 From: bejlniu at inet.polyu.edu.hk (Jian-lei Niu [BSE]) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 21:16:31 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] Re: radiant and convective split for occupants In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130177E98EBF85@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130177E98EBF85@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4D07DEAF.480F.001C.0@inet.polyu.edu.hk> Dear Jon, I came to realize the limited data available sometime ago, when we wish to model the radiant distribution from students in a classroom. We had postulated that in case of stratified air distribution, this radiant distribution affects the actual space cooling load more than in the well mixed ventilation systems. We tested with a direct radiation modeling method available in many CFD package, which was only roughly described in the paper. Xu H.T, Gao NP , and JL Niu, "A method to generate effective cooling load factors for stratified air distribution systems using floor level air supply", International Journal of HVACR Research, vol. 15, no. 5, 915-930, Sept. 2009 But it seems to me that a simplified engineering calculation method for densely populated space is lacking. There are a few studies about the radiant heat from a single human body, including the famous Fanger model included in ASHRAE handbook, which I guess is familiar to you, and some studies from Japan, by Prof. Tanabe, and Nakano etc. I wiould like to hear more about this from this community as well. Regards Jianlei Niu >>> Jon Hand 12/14/2010 5:22 PM >>> I am updating some documentation about occupants in buildings related to the radiant and convective split of sensible gains and I find that there are a number of exemplar models that simply default to 50% radiant. If I look at the exemplar models that come with EnergyPlus I see most of them are setting the radiant fraction of occupants to 30% and at least one paper mentioned 40%. A Google search comes up with suggestions for what the sensible is but mentions of how it is distributed seem to be well hidden. In densely populated spaces this must have an impact. Does anyone have some or know about ... a) opinions that they would like to share b) some references that discuss this c) some papers that talk about it Regards, Jon Hand _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r The Hong Kong Polytechnic University WHERE INNOVATION MEETS APPLICATION From Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca Tue Dec 14 14:14:29 2010 From: Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca (Ferguson, Alex) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 09:14:29 -0500 Subject: [esp-r] Re: radiant and convective split for occupants In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130177E98EBF85@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130177E98EBF85@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: In my completely uninformed opinion, we should be setting the occupant gains to 100% convective, unless we carefully model interior partitions (and perhaps even furniture). The actual radiant fraction may be closer to 30%, 40% or even 50%. But few occupants have a clear view to the envelope from all sides; much of these radiant losses will be transferred to the ceiling, floor, interior walls and partitions, and perhaps even furnishings. The temperatures of these surfaces will be closer to the air-point and envelope temperatures, and (I suspect) much of the radiant gain from the occupant will be re-convected to the interior air. But that's just my two cents, and I look forward to more informed perspectives. - Alex -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jon Hand Sent: December 14, 2010 04:22 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] radiant and convective split for occupants I am updating some documentation about occupants in buildings related to the radiant and convective split of sensible gains and I find that there are a number of exemplar models that simply default to 50% radiant. If I look at the exemplar models that come with EnergyPlus I see most of them are setting the radiant fraction of occupants to 30% and at least one paper mentioned 40%. A Google search comes up with suggestions for what the sensible is but mentions of how it is distributed seem to be well hidden. In densely populated spaces this must have an impact. Does anyone have some or know about ... a) opinions that they would like to share b) some references that discuss this c) some papers that talk about it Regards, Jon Hand _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101214/cf4ea732/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Tue Dec 14 14:33:20 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim.geissler) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 15:33:20 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Effect of PCM in roof construction Message-ID: <29a2f9e6a14aaeb03c049ede6be52b2f@212.203.77.242> Dear Francesco I don't have direct experience with PCM on an external roof felt, however have done some calculations in regard to adding external thermal mass to a facade panel (in the form of a heavy plaster board). In general, depending on the insulation between thermal mass and the interior, the effect was small to insignificant (the better the insulation, of course, the smaller the effect). I would assume that you will find something similar with the PCM. If you are using the original data for the (original) ESP-r PCM, then I think it is a "low temperature" type (i.e. designed for indoor air temperatures). If used on a roof with direct solar radiation, it will most likely quickly melt and then behave as "any old material" in terms of heat capacity. Also, "roof felt" sounds like very little PCM mass. All said, I would expect only a small effect on internal temperatures (whatever "small" means, here? ;o) ). Best Achim --------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: francesco.frontini at polimi.it An: "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" Betreff: [esp-r] Effect of PCM in roof construction Datum: 13/12/10 20:48 Dear all, do you have any experience of PCM on external roof felt? A colleague would like to simulate the effect of PCM if they are integrated in flat roof construction. We try to use the model implemented in ESP-r and seems to work properly (we have some doubt on the input parameters) but he realized that the PCM has a really small influence on the inside surface temperature. Any experience or suggestion? Best regard Francesco ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk (mailto:esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" class="autolink) http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r (http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r" target="_blank" class="autolink) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101214/e2faa220/attachment-0001.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Dec 14 22:19:28 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:19:28 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] A new Cygwin installer for ESP-r 11.10 available for testing Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130177E98EBF87@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> I have created an installer (run file) for the about to be released 11.10 version of ESP-r. It does either the X11 or GTK. I have tested this on a Window XP 32 bit machine and it works correctly. I am not able to test this on Vista or Windows 7 and it would be good to have confirmation that it does work prior to putting it on the download site. There are also the GTK and X11 compressed tar archives of the compiled and installed system that can be used by those who are unable to use the .run file. If anyone is able to do a test of this it would be greatly appreciated. Please send me an email and I will upload it to you. Regards, Jon Hand From ibeausol at mae.carleton.ca Wed Dec 15 21:05:30 2010 From: ibeausol at mae.carleton.ca (Ian Beausoleil-Morrison) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 16:05:30 -0500 Subject: [esp-r] release of ESP-r version 11.10 Message-ID: <019301cb9c9b$ce4a2260$6ade6720$@carleton.ca> ESP-r users and developers, Version 11.10 of the ESP-r system is now available. A summary of the changes and new features included in this release is given at the bottom of this e-mail. The source code may be accessed via the ESP-r Central Subversion repository. To do this, you must first install a Subversion client on your system. Free clients are available at http://subversion.tigris.org/getting.html. Once you have installed the Subversion client you can download the source code for version 11.10 of ESP-r anonymously using the following command: svn checkout https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/trunk If you already downloaded the source code of a previous version with the above command, then you do not have to do a full download of version 11.10. Rather, you can update the source code by executing the following command from your "trunk" directory: svn update (ESP-r developers who wish to make source code contributions to ESP-r should contact Bart Lomanowski at Bartosz.Lomanowski at nrcan.gc.ca who can configure an account for you on ESP-r Central. Further information on ESP-r Central for developers is available at http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/Programs/ESP-r_central.htm.) ESP-r source code is available exclusively through ESP-r Central. However, you can obtain pre-compiled versions for specific operating environments on ESRU's web site. These pre-compiled versions will generally be made available within a few days of a source code release and will be announced to this e-mail list. Regards, Ian Beausoleil-Morrison ESP-r Archivist on behalf of the ESP-r development team Carleton University Ottawa, Canada Release Notes 11.10 (December 2010) ===================== Simulation capabilities ----------------------- - The current stratified tank model (plant database comp. No 89) does not support the specification of immersed heat exchangers. This model has been modified to provide support for specifying a single spiral heat exchanger (plant database comp. No 103) and two spiral heat exchangers (plant database comp. 104). The inputs for these components fix the location of the heat exchangers along the height of the stratified tank and specify the geometry of the spiral of the heat exchanger. - The shading and insolation module has been modified to include obstruction block opacity. With this, opacity factor--ranging from (0 fully transparent) to 1 (fully opaque)--can be set for each obstruction block. - The grid resolution and the number of obstructions available for shading analyses has been increased. This allows more complex surfaces with thin frames to be accommodated. - A water-filled zone feature has been added. This can be used in cases where zone-coupled flow is defined via the zone operations file. - A bug in the calculation of the humidification/dehumidification load when using ideal zone control with humidity control has been repaired. Previously the controller determined the correct relative humidity but incorrectly calculated the required (de)humidification to achieve it. The magnitude of the error was larger in models with large latent loads when using long time-steps. - An error in the xml/csv output for the average ground temperature used by the BASESIMP model for BASESIMP-type boundary conditions has been corrected. Project Manager --------------- - An interface has been created in Project Manager to allow users to apply the Alberta air infiltration model (AIM-2). This model has been available within the Simulator for a decade. However, it was a 'hidden' feature that required the user to manually configure an input file. With this additional the AIM-2 model can be more broadly applied. AIM-2 is a so-called single-zone model for calculating stack and wind driven infiltration rates for single-family detached houses. It can be considered as an intermediate method lying between the simplified treatment of infiltration via the operation file and the more detailed network air flow approach. - An interface has been created in Project Manager to allow users to apply the BASESIMP foundation heat loss model. This model has been available within the Simulator for a decade and has been partially supported by Project Manager. However, it was a 'semi-hidden' feature that required the user to manually configure an input file. With this addition the BASESIMP model can be more broadly applied. BASESIMP is a model for predicting both the above-grade and below-grade heat transfer from residential slab-on-grade and basement foundations and considers time-varying soil temperatures. It is appropriate for use with small footprint buildings. - An interface has been created in Project Manager to allow users to apply the 'idealized' HVAC models that were added by NRCan to support the HOT3000 software about a decade ago. These models have remained a 'hidden' feature that required the user to manually configure an input file. With this addition the idealized HVAC models can be more broadly applied. These can be considered as simplified methods for predicting fuel and electricity consumption of residential HVAC equipment that are used in conjunction with ESP-r's zone controls. - Improvements have been made to the menu structure to facilitate working with models that included large numbers of control loops and large numbers of zones and/or surfaces. - Logic has been introduced to identify convex and concave corners in rooms to automate creation of thermal bridge locations based on the room topology. - The number of in-built ground temperature profiles has been increased and further documentation has been added to assist in appropriate selections. - A method has been introduced to scan the climate data, generate ground temperatures at different depths and report estimated ground temperatures (via Marshall and Holmes 1988). The Kusuda method for calculating ground temperatures has also been added. Validation/Compliance Checking ------------------------------ - A large number of interface and modelling changes have been made to provide the functionality required by the UK 'National Calculation Method' (NCM). A decision on ESP-r's compliance with the NCM is expected in the near future. General ------- - ESP-r can no longer be compiled with GCC3. An upgrade to GCC4 is now mandatory. - Support has been added for the Install script to auto-detect the architecture on Cygwin running under Windows Vista and Windows 7. - A number of new climate files have been included while some others have been updated. - A number of new exemplars have been added. - A number of changes to the automated testing scripts have been made. - Corrected material vapour diffusion values for several entries associated with the IBO PassivHaus reference book. This would only impact models which used these materials and where interstitial condensation reports are generated. - The Climate Analyzer includes a facility to convert global horizontal into beam and diffuse. This was updated to make it more robust and to offer three methods: the Erbs Klein & Duffy method, the Maxwell method and Orgill & Hollands method. Additional Changes ------------------ - Many additional changes have been made that are transparent to the user. Information on these, as well as further details on all the above-mentioned changes, can be found in ESP-r Central's change log. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101215/ced4e358/attachment.html From perhaugaard at yahoo.dk Fri Dec 17 11:53:24 2010 From: perhaugaard at yahoo.dk (Per Haugaard) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:53:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [esp-r] Error converting climatefile Message-ID: <357413.73271.qm@web26607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Dear list, ESP-r reports the following error "Warning:? In? 0,33,0,22,178,83," referring to the last line in the climatefile when converting from ascii to binary format. Below is a summary of the climatefile: *CLIMATE # ascii climate file from NS3031, # defined in: N_Stavanger.a # col 1: Diffuse solar on the horizontal (W/m**2) # col 2: External dry bulb temperature?? (Tenths DEG.C) # col 3: Direct normal solar intensity?? (W/m**2) # col 4: Prevailing wind speed?????????? (Tenths m/s) # col 5: Wind direction???? (clockwise deg from north) # col 6: Relative humidity?????????????? (Percent) STAVANGER NORGE??????? # site name ?2001,58.58,-9.59,0,?? # year latitude long diff rad flag ?1,365,??????????????? # period (julian days) ?0,94,0,32,173,82, ?0,93,0,27,162,68, ?0,91,0,23,204,66, ?0,89,0,27,265,66, ?0,87,0,26,173,66, ?.... ? 0,49,0,48,174,64, ?0,45,0,42,114,61, ?0,41,0,26,165,67, ?0,35,0,19,118,76, ?0,33,0,22,178,83, I have not included the optional day separator. Does anyone have an idea of what can be wrong? Best regards Per -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101217/3c03f44a/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Fri Dec 17 12:19:03 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim.geissler) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:19:03 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Error converting climatefile Message-ID: <535fd5cc86167b13e47088f82dc22a07@212.203.77.242> Hi Per a) is the resulting file (if one results) not O.K.? There are situations where warnings are issued but the file is O.K. b) do you have an additional "line end", i.e. is there an empty line at the end of the file (I think this is necessary). c) if you are on a Unix-like system: are the line ends unix-conform? Best Achim --------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: perhaugaard at yahoo.dk An: "ESP-r_ny" Betreff: [esp-r] Error converting climatefile Datum: 17/12/10 12:55 Dear list, ESP-r reports the following error "Warning:? In? 0,33,0,22,178,83," referring to the last line in the climatefile when converting from ascii to binary format. Below is a summary of the climatefile: *CLIMATE # ascii climate file from NS3031, # defined in: N_Stavanger.a # col 1: Diffuse solar on the horizontal (W/m**2) # col 2: External dry bulb temperature?? (Tenths DEG.C) # col 3: Direct normal solar intensity?? (W/m**2) # col 4: Prevailing wind speed?????????? (Tenths m/s) # col 5: Wind direction???? (clockwise deg from north) # col 6: Relative humidity?????????????? (Percent) STAVANGER NORGE??????? # site name ?2001,58.58,-9.59,0,?? # year latitude long diff rad flag ?1,365,??????????????? # period (julian days) ?0,94,0,32,173,82, ?0,93,0,27,162,68, ?0,91,0,23,204,66, ?0,89,0,27,265,66, ?0,87,0,26,173,66, ?.... ? 0,49,0,48,174,64, ?0,45,0,42,114,61, ?0,41,0,26,165,67, ?0,35,0,19,118,76, ?0,33,0,22,178,83, I have not included the optional day separator. Does anyone have an idea of what can be wrong? Best regards Per _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk (mailto:esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" class="autolink) http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r (http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r" target="_blank" class="autolink) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101217/7c18b33b/attachment.html From monika.hall at fhnw.ch Fri Dec 17 12:31:45 2010 From: monika.hall at fhnw.ch (Hall Monika) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:31:45 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Error converting climatefile In-Reply-To: <535fd5cc86167b13e47088f82dc22a07@212.203.77.242> References: <535fd5cc86167b13e47088f82dc22a07@212.203.77.242> Message-ID: <2E69B53CF81E2A43988A841A5B2679949EFA9D0688@MXAMU12.adm.ds.fhnw.ch> Hi Per, maybe there are too much commas in you file. Here is an example with less commas. 2000,47.54,7.58,123 # year, latitude, long diff, global horiz rad flag 1,365 # period (julian days) * day 1 month 1 0,51,0,66,262,69 0,66,0,70,260,64 ... Regards Monika ________________________________ Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Achim.geissler Gesendet: Freitag, 17. Dezember 2010 13:19 An: perhaugaard at yahoo.dk; ESP-r_ny Betreff: [esp-r] Re: Error converting climatefile Hi Per a) is the resulting file (if one results) not O.K.? There are situations where warnings are issued but the file is O.K. b) do you have an additional "line end", i.e. is there an empty line at the end of the file (I think this is necessary). c) if you are on a Unix-like system: are the line ends unix-conform? Best Achim --------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: perhaugaard at yahoo.dk An: "ESP-r_ny" Betreff: [esp-r] Error converting climatefile Datum: 17/12/10 12:55 Dear list, ESP-r reports the following error "Warning: In 0,33,0,22,178,83," referring to the last line in the climatefile when converting from ascii to binary format. Below is a summary of the climatefile: *CLIMATE # ascii climate file from NS3031, # defined in: N_Stavanger.a # col 1: Diffuse solar on the horizontal (W/m**2) # col 2: External dry bulb temperature (Tenths DEG.C) # col 3: Direct normal solar intensity (W/m**2) # col 4: Prevailing wind speed (Tenths m/s) # col 5: Wind direction (clockwise deg from north) # col 6: Relative humidity (Percent) STAVANGER NORGE # site name 2001,58.58,-9.59,0, # year latitude long diff rad flag 1,365, # period (julian days) 0,94,0,32,173,82, 0,93,0,27,162,68, 0,91,0,23,204,66, 0,89,0,27,265,66, 0,87,0,26,173,66, .... 0,49,0,48,174,64, 0,45,0,42,114,61, 0,41,0,26,165,67, 0,35,0,19,118,76, 0,33,0,22,178,83, I have not included the optional day separator. Does anyone have an idea of what can be wrong? Best regards Per ________________________________ _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101217/9936c385/attachment.html From A.Sdei at brighton.ac.uk Thu Dec 16 16:17:08 2010 From: A.Sdei at brighton.ac.uk (A.Sdei at brighton.ac.uk) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 16:17:08 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: release of ESP-r version 11.10 In-Reply-To: <019301cb9c9b$ce4a2260$6ade6720$@carleton.ca> References: <019301cb9c9b$ce4a2260$6ade6720$@carleton.ca> Message-ID: <19975A316C67744D9720DD2F6AB1FC660B3D9EE3@EXCHANGE1.university.brighton.ac.uk> Dear Ian, I have downloaded the new source code. I have put it into a folder in cygwin called temp and I am giving the command ./Install -gcc4 -compiler_version -4 -d /usr/esru to cygwin to launch the installation. Cygwin says "Install: command not found", is there anything else i ought to do? Briana sent me a detailed explanation on how to install cygwin and esp-r for windows 7, i don't have her email address anymore. Could you please put me in contact with her? Thank you for your help, Regards, Arianna From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ian Beausoleil-Morrison Sent: 15 December 2010 21:06 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] release of ESP-r version 11.10 ESP-r users and developers, Version 11.10 of the ESP-r system is now available. A summary of the changes and new features included in this release is given at the bottom of this e-mail. The source code may be accessed via the ESP-r Central Subversion repository. To do this, you must first install a Subversion client on your system. Free clients are available at http://subversion.tigris.org/getting.html. Once you have installed the Subversion client you can download the source code for version 11.10 of ESP-r anonymously using the following command: svn checkout https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/trunk If you already downloaded the source code of a previous version with the above command, then you do not have to do a full download of version 11.10. Rather, you can update the source code by executing the following command from your "trunk" directory: svn update (ESP-r developers who wish to make source code contributions to ESP-r should contact Bart Lomanowski at Bartosz.Lomanowski at nrcan.gc.ca who can configure an account for you on ESP-r Central. Further information on ESP-r Central for developers is available at http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/Programs/ESP-r_central.htm.) ESP-r source code is available exclusively through ESP-r Central. However, you can obtain pre-compiled versions for specific operating environments on ESRU's web site. These pre-compiled versions will generally be made available within a few days of a source code release and will be announced to this e-mail list. Regards, Ian Beausoleil-Morrison ESP-r Archivist on behalf of the ESP-r development team Carleton University Ottawa, Canada Release Notes 11.10 (December 2010) ===================== Simulation capabilities ----------------------- - The current stratified tank model (plant database comp. No 89) does not support the specification of immersed heat exchangers. This model has been modified to provide support for specifying a single spiral heat exchanger (plant database comp. No 103) and two spiral heat exchangers (plant database comp. 104). The inputs for these components fix the location of the heat exchangers along the height of the stratified tank and specify the geometry of the spiral of the heat exchanger. - The shading and insolation module has been modified to include obstruction block opacity. With this, opacity factor--ranging from (0 fully transparent) to 1 (fully opaque)--can be set for each obstruction block. - The grid resolution and the number of obstructions available for shading analyses has been increased. This allows more complex surfaces with thin frames to be accommodated. - A water-filled zone feature has been added. This can be used in cases where zone-coupled flow is defined via the zone operations file. - A bug in the calculation of the humidification/dehumidification load when using ideal zone control with humidity control has been repaired. Previously the controller determined the correct relative humidity but incorrectly calculated the required (de)humidification to achieve it. The magnitude of the error was larger in models with large latent loads when using long time-steps. - An error in the xml/csv output for the average ground temperature used by the BASESIMP model for BASESIMP-type boundary conditions has been corrected. Project Manager --------------- - An interface has been created in Project Manager to allow users to apply the Alberta air infiltration model (AIM-2). This model has been available within the Simulator for a decade. However, it was a 'hidden' feature that required the user to manually configure an input file. With this additional the AIM-2 model can be more broadly applied. AIM-2 is a so-called single-zone model for calculating stack and wind driven infiltration rates for single-family detached houses. It can be considered as an intermediate method lying between the simplified treatment of infiltration via the operation file and the more detailed network air flow approach. - An interface has been created in Project Manager to allow users to apply the BASESIMP foundation heat loss model. This model has been available within the Simulator for a decade and has been partially supported by Project Manager. However, it was a 'semi-hidden' feature that required the user to manually configure an input file. With this addition the BASESIMP model can be more broadly applied. BASESIMP is a model for predicting both the above-grade and below-grade heat transfer from residential slab-on-grade and basement foundations and considers time-varying soil temperatures. It is appropriate for use with small footprint buildings. - An interface has been created in Project Manager to allow users to apply the 'idealized' HVAC models that were added by NRCan to support the HOT3000 software about a decade ago. These models have remained a 'hidden' feature that required the user to manually configure an input file. With this addition the idealized HVAC models can be more broadly applied. These can be considered as simplified methods for predicting fuel and electricity consumption of residential HVAC equipment that are used in conjunction with ESP-r's zone controls. - Improvements have been made to the menu structure to facilitate working with models that included large numbers of control loops and large numbers of zones and/or surfaces. - Logic has been introduced to identify convex and concave corners in rooms to automate creation of thermal bridge locations based on the room topology. - The number of in-built ground temperature profiles has been increased and further documentation has been added to assist in appropriate selections. - A method has been introduced to scan the climate data, generate ground temperatures at different depths and report estimated ground temperatures (via Marshall and Holmes 1988). The Kusuda method for calculating ground temperatures has also been added. Validation/Compliance Checking ------------------------------ - A large number of interface and modelling changes have been made to provide the functionality required by the UK 'National Calculation Method' (NCM). A decision on ESP-r's compliance with the NCM is expected in the near future. General ------- - ESP-r can no longer be compiled with GCC3. An upgrade to GCC4 is now mandatory. - Support has been added for the Install script to auto-detect the architecture on Cygwin running under Windows Vista and Windows 7. - A number of new climate files have been included while some others have been updated. - A number of new exemplars have been added. - A number of changes to the automated testing scripts have been made. - Corrected material vapour diffusion values for several entries associated with the IBO PassivHaus reference book. This would only impact models which used these materials and where interstitial condensation reports are generated. - The Climate Analyzer includes a facility to convert global horizontal into beam and diffuse. This was updated to make it more robust and to offer three methods: the Erbs Klein & Duffy method, the Maxwell method and Orgill & Hollands method. Additional Changes ------------------ - Many additional changes have been made that are transparent to the user. Information on these, as well as further details on all the above-mentioned changes, can be found in ESP-r Central's change log. ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ ___________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ ___________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101216/45302781/attachment-0001.html From sergio.segreto at dappolonia.it Thu Dec 16 14:55:56 2010 From: sergio.segreto at dappolonia.it (Sergio Segreto) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 15:55:56 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r - How to model a radiant source Message-ID: <9FC73B1115247E4F9E80A924A4E72AF988949F93E1@S50.dappolonia.wan> Dear ESP-r team, might you post the procedure I should follow to model a radiant source located indoor? My intent is to model a heater or panel located at a specific point inside a room. Many thanks and kind regards, Sergio Segreto - Mechanical Engineer D'Appolonia S.p.A. Innovation and Research Division Via Farabola Est, 32 - 55049 Viareggio (Lucca) - Italy * +39 0584 1840708 6 +39 0584 1841217 * sergio.segreto at dappolonia.it URL: http://www.dappolonia.it ?Le informazioni contenute in questo messaggio di posta elettronica sono destinate esclusivamente agli individui e agli enti ai quali risulta indirizzato. 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I have put it into a folder in cygwin called temp and I am giving the command ./Install ?gcc4 ?compiler_version -4 ?d /usr/esru to cygwin to launch the installation. Cygwin says ?Install: command not found?, is there anything else i ought to do? Briana sent me a detailed explanation on how to install cygwin and esp-r for windows 7, i don?t have her email address anymore. Could you please put me in contact with her? Thank you for your help, > > Regards, > Arianna > > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ian Beausoleil-Morrison > Sent: 15 December 2010 21:06 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] release of ESP-r version 11.10 > > ESP-r users and developers, > > Version 11.10 of the ESP-r system is now available. A summary of the changes and new features included in this release is given at the bottom of this e-mail. > > The source code may be accessed via the ESP-r Central Subversion repository. To do this, you must first install a Subversion client on your system. Free clients are available at http://subversion.tigris.org/getting.html. > > Once you have installed the Subversion client you can download the source code for version 11.10 of ESP-r anonymously using the following command: > svn checkout https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/trunk > > If you already downloaded the source code of a previous version with the above command, then you do not have to do a full download of version 11.10. Rather, you can update the source code by executing the following command from your "trunk" directory: > svn update > > (ESP-r developers who wish to make source code contributions to ESP-r should contact Bart Lomanowski atBartosz.Lomanowski at nrcan.gc.ca who can configure an account for you on ESP-r Central. Further information on ESP-r Central for developers is available at http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/Programs/ESP-r_central.htm.) > > ESP-r source code is available exclusively through ESP-r Central. However, you can obtain pre-compiled versions for specific operating environments on ESRU?s web site. These pre-compiled versions will generally be made available within a few days of a source code release and will be announced to this e-mail list. > > Regards, > > Ian Beausoleil-Morrison > ESP-r Archivist on behalf of the ESP-r development team > > Carleton University > Ottawa, Canada > > > Release Notes > 11.10 (December 2010) > ===================== > > Simulation capabilities > ----------------------- > - The current stratified tank model (plant database comp. No 89) does not support > the specification of immersed heat exchangers. This model has been modified to > provide support for specifying a single spiral heat exchanger (plant database > comp. No 103) and two spiral heat exchangers (plant database comp. 104). The > inputs for these components fix the location of the heat exchangers along the > height of the stratified tank and specify the geometry of the spiral of the > heat exchanger. > - The shading and insolation module has been modified to include obstruction > block opacity. With this, opacity factor--ranging from (0 fully transparent) > to 1 (fully opaque)--can be set for each obstruction block. > - The grid resolution and the number of obstructions available for shading > analyses has been increased. This allows more complex surfaces with > thin frames to be accommodated. > - A water-filled zone feature has been added. This can be used in cases where > zone-coupled flow is defined via the zone operations file. > - A bug in the calculation of the humidification/dehumidification load > when using ideal zone control with humidity control has been repaired. > Previously the controller determined the correct relative humidity but > incorrectly calculated the required (de)humidification to achieve it. > The magnitude of the error was larger in models with large latent loads > when using long time-steps. > - An error in the xml/csv output for the average ground temperature used > by the BASESIMP model for BASESIMP-type boundary conditions has been > corrected. > > > Project Manager > --------------- > - An interface has been created in Project Manager to allow users to apply > the Alberta air infiltration model (AIM-2). This model has been available > within the Simulator for a decade. However, it was a 'hidden' feature > that required the user to manually configure an input file. With this > additional the AIM-2 model can be more broadly applied. AIM-2 is a > so-called single-zone model for calculating stack and wind driven infiltration > rates for single-family detached houses. It can be considered as an intermediate > method lying between the simplified treatment of infiltration via the operation > file and the more detailed network air flow approach. > - An interface has been created in Project Manager to allow users to apply > the BASESIMP foundation heat loss model. This model has been available > within the Simulator for a decade and has been partially supported by Project > Manager. However, it was a 'semi-hidden' feature that required the user > to manually configure an input file. With this addition the BASESIMP model > can be more broadly applied. BASESIMP is a model for predicting both the > above-grade and below-grade heat transfer from residential slab-on-grade and > basement foundations and considers time-varying soil temperatures. It is > appropriate for use with small footprint buildings. > - An interface has been created in Project Manager to allow users to apply > the 'idealized' HVAC models that were added by NRCan to support the HOT3000 > software about a decade ago. These models have remained a 'hidden' feature > that required the user to manually configure an input file. With this > addition the idealized HVAC models can be more broadly applied. These can be > considered as simplified methods for predicting fuel and electricity consumption > of residential HVAC equipment that are used in conjunction with ESP-r's zone > controls. > - Improvements have been made to the menu structure to facilitate working > with models that included large numbers of control loops and large numbers > of zones and/or surfaces. > - Logic has been introduced to identify convex and concave corners in rooms > to automate creation of thermal bridge locations based on the room topology. > - The number of in-built ground temperature profiles has been increased and > further documentation has been added to assist in appropriate selections. > - A method has been introduced to scan the climate data, generate ground > temperatures at different depths and report estimated ground temperatures > (via Marshall and Holmes 1988). The Kusuda method for calculating ground > temperatures has also been added. > > > Validation/Compliance Checking > ------------------------------ > - A large number of interface and modelling changes have been made to provide > the functionality required by the UK ?National Calculation Method? (NCM). > A decision on ESP-r?s compliance with the NCM is expected in the near future. > > > General > ------- > - ESP-r can no longer be compiled with GCC3. An upgrade to GCC4 is now mandatory. > - Support has been added for the Install script to auto-detect the architecture > on Cygwin running under Windows Vista and Windows 7. > - A number of new climate files have been included while some others have been > updated. > - A number of new exemplars have been added. > - A number of changes to the automated testing scripts have been made. > - Corrected material vapour diffusion values for several entries associated > with the IBO PassivHaus reference book. This would only impact models > which used these materials and where interstitial condensation reports > are generated. > - The Climate Analyzer includes a facility to convert global horizontal > into beam and diffuse. This was updated to make it more robust > and to offer three methods: the Erbs Klein & Duffy method, the > Maxwell method and Orgill & Hollands method. > > > Additional Changes > ------------------ > - Many additional changes have been made that are transparent to the user. > Information on these, as well as further details on all the above-mentioned > changes, can be found in ESP-r Central's change log. > > ___________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security > System on behalf of the University of Brighton. > For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ > ___________________________________________________________ > > ___________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security > System on behalf of the University of Brighton. > For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ > ___________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Then control the additional zone to the desired temperature. It will act as a radiant source. Best Achim On Dec 16, 2010, at 3:55 PM, Sergio Segreto wrote: > Dear ESP-r team, > > might you post the procedure I should follow to model a radiant source located indoor? My intent is to model a heater or panel located at a specific point inside a room. > > > Many thanks and kind regards, > > > Sergio Segreto - Mechanical Engineer > > D'Appolonia S.p.A. > Innovation and Research Division > > Via Farabola Est, 32 ? 55049 Viareggio (Lucca) ? Italy > ( +39 0584 1840708 6 +39 0584 1841217 > * sergio.segreto at dappolonia.it > URL: http://www.dappolonia.it > > ?Le informazioni contenute in questo messaggio di posta elettronica sono destinate esclusivamente agli individui e agli enti ai quali risulta indirizzato. 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101217/2ba6e6b9/attachment.html From eduardo.llcg at gmail.com Mon Dec 20 17:25:37 2010 From: eduardo.llcg at gmail.com (Eduardo Goncalves) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 17:25:37 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Amount of energy that passes through the surfaces Message-ID: Hello ESP-r world, I Hope you can help me, I am trying to determine the amount of energy that passes through a wall. I have a fairly simple model (square with 10x10 each side and 3m height). I have a basic control with 25 degrees the whole summer (June till September), there are no internal gains from occupants or lights and I want to know the amount of gain/loss through the walls. Once simulated, if I go through *Enquire about/Zone Energy Balance/Integrated over time/Gain-Loss* I have the following results, * Gain Loss* * Infiltration air load 0.000 0.000* * Ventilation air load 0.000 0.000* * Uncontr`d casual Occupt 0.000 0.000* * Uncontr`d casual Lights 0.000 0.000* * Uncontr`d casual Equipt 0.000 0.000* * Thermal bridge (linear) 0.000 0.000* * Storage at air point 0.925 -0.977* * Opaque surf convec: ext 233.485 -16.093* * Opaque surf convec: ptn 157.405 -33.853* * Transp surf convec: ext 0.000 0.000* * Transp surf convec: ptn 0.000 0.000* * Convec portion of plant 44.617 -385.509* * Totals 436.433 -436.433* I suppose that the gains from the walls would be 233.485+157.405= 390.989 Whrs, and losses 16.093+33.853 = 49.946 Whrs. (there?s no other source of internal gain in the model). So far so good, nevertheless, if I go through *Surface energy balance/Integrated over time/Gain-Loss/All Items*, I get something like, * Facing Teste Facing outside* * Gain Loss Gain Loss* * Conductive flux 111853.23 -16240.70 1745485.50 -1842903.13* * Convective flux 3598.84 -53664.82 1333.83 -3128152.00* * Longwave rad int 15327.17 -60134.77 -- --* * LW rad ext >bldg -- -- 476125.97 -244280.39* * LW rad ext >sky -- -- 0.00 -2835801.50* * LW rad ext >grnd -- -- 27968.51 -643154.69* * Shortwave rad. 0.00 0.00 6443323.00 0.00* * Occupt casual gn 0.00 0.00 -- --* * Lights casual gn 0.00 0.00 -- --* * Equipt casual gn 0.00 0.00 -- --* * Controled casual 0.00 0.00 -- --* * Heat stored 15333.66 -16072.75 720997.19 -720940.69* * Plant 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00* * Totals 146112.91 -146113.05 9415234.00 -9415233.00* for each surface of the model (4 walls, ceiling and pavement). Having those values for each surface, I sum the losses of the surface facing inside (*392043Whrs*), which would be the convective heat that is transferred to the zone, i.e., gain and losses that comes from the *Zone energy balance*, as referred to initially (Gain *390,989 kWhrs*, and losses 49946 Whrs). The problem is that the results are *very* different * (392043Whrs/390989kWhs)*, and I don?t know why. My suppositions must be wrong. How can I actually get the amount of energy that passes through the walls (gains and losses)? Thanks for your help -- Eduardo Gon?alves + 351 913 310 390 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101220/43a3477a/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Tue Dec 21 08:10:17 2010 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim.geissler) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 09:10:17 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Amount of energy that passes through the surfaces Message-ID: <3fc6056f7035e24796434e8952d3940d@212.203.77.242> Dear Eduardo two thoughts: a) The two numbers you give differ by approx. 0.2 percent. I would not say this is really far apart given that the approaches in calculation of the heat loss are most likely quite different. b) Have you tried to take the given "energy stored" into account in your comparison? I seem to remember that there is some information on the output in the CookBook. Have you taken a look there? Best Achim --------- Original-Nachricht -------- Von: "Eduardo Goncalves" An: "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" Betreff: [esp-r] Amount of energy that passes through the surfaces Datum: 20/12/10 22:31 Hello ESP-r world, I Hope you can help me, I am trying to determine the amount of energy that passes through a wall. I have a fairly simple model (square with 10x10 each side and 3m height). I have a basic control with 25 degrees the whole summer (June till September), there are no internal gains from occupants or lights and I want to know the amount of gain/loss through the walls. Once simulated, if I go through Enquire about/Zone Energy Balance/Integrated over time/Gain-Loss I have the following results, ? ??????????? ????????????????????Gain???????? Loss ?Infiltration air load?????????? 0.000?????? 0.000 ?Ventilation air load??????????? 0.000?????? 0.000 ?Uncontr`d casual Occupt???????? 0.000?????? 0.000 ?Uncontr`d casual Lights???????? 0.000?????? 0.000 ?Uncontr`d casual Equipt???????? 0.000?????? 0.000 ?Thermal bridge (linear)???????? 0.000?????? 0.000 ?Storage at air point??????????? 0.925????? -0.977 ?Opaque surf convec: ext?????? 233.485???? -16.093 ?Opaque surf convec: ptn?????? 157.405???? -33.853 ?Transp surf convec: ext???????? 0.000?????? 0.000 ?Transp surf convec: ptn???????? 0.000?????? 0.000 ?Convec portion of plant??????? 44.617??? -385.509 ?Totals??????????????????????? 436.433??? -436.433 ? I suppose that the gains from the walls would be 233.485+157.405= 390.989 Whrs, and losses 16.093+33.853 = 49.946 Whrs. (there’s no other source of internal gain in the model). So far so good, nevertheless, if I go through Surface energy balance/Integrated over time/Gain-Loss/All Items, I get something like, ? ????????? ???????????????Facing Teste???????????? Facing outside ???????????????????????? Gain?????? Loss????????? Gain?????? Loss ?Conductive flux???? 111853.23?? -16240.70? 1745485.50 -1842903.13 ?Convective flux?????? 3598.84?? -53664.82???? 1333.83 -3128152.00 ?Longwave rad int???? 15327.17?? -60134.77???????? --????????? -- ?LW rad ext >bldg????????? --???????? --???? 476125.97? -244280.39 ?LW rad ext >sky?????????? --???????? --????????? 0.00 -2835801.50 ?LW rad ext >grnd????????? --???????? --????? 27968.51? -643154.69 ?Shortwave rad.?????????? 0.00??????? 0.00? 6443323.00??????? 0.00 ?Occupt casual gn???????? 0.00??????? 0.00???????? --????????? -- ?Lights casual gn???????? 0.00??????? 0.00???????? --????????? -- ?Equipt casual gn???????? 0.00??????? 0.00???? ????--????????? -- ?Controled casual???????? 0.00??????? 0.00???????? --????????? -- ?Heat stored????????? 15333.66?? -16072.75?? 720997.19? -720940.69 ?Plant??????????????????? 0.00??????? 0.00??????? 0.00??????? 0.00 ?Totals????????????? 146112.91? -146113.05? 9415234.00 -9415233.00 ? for each surface of the model (4 walls, ceiling and pavement). Having those values for each surface, I sum the losses of the surface facing inside (392043Whrs), which would be the convective heat that is transferred to the zone, i.e., gain and losses that comes from the Zone energy balance, as referred to initially (Gain 390,989 kWhrs, and losses 49946 Whrs). The problem is that the results are very different (392043Whrs/390989kWhs), and I don’t know why. My suppositions must be wrong. How can I actually get the amount of energy that passes through the walls (gains and losses)? Thanks for your help -- Eduardo Gon?alves + 351 913 310 390 _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk (mailto:esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" class="autolink) http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r (http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r" target="_blank" class="autolink) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101220/f8b4f1ed/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Dec 22 00:42:56 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 00:42:56 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: climate files In-Reply-To: <19975A316C67744D9720DD2F6AB1FC660B3DA524@EXCHANGE1.university.brighton.ac.uk> References: , <19975A316C67744D9720DD2F6AB1FC660B3DA524@EXCHANGE1.university.brighton.ac.uk> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130177E98EBFB9@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Which specific version of ESP-r are you running (when prj starts up there will be a revision number printed). The file names for several UK climate files changed recently. Models that point to the older file names will need to be updated. What is the full path name to the London Gatwick file and what is the name of the file? There might also be two conflicting versions of a file named climatelist on your machine. There should be a file climatelist in the esp-r distribution climate folder. ESP-r gets the name and location of the climatelist file via a *db_climates entry in the esprc file that lives in the esp-r distribution folder. And a work-around in case there is a software issue is to use a text editor on the model cfg file and locate the line that starts with *clm and edit the file name to match your Gatwick file name and location. -Jon ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of A.Sdei at brighton.ac.uk [A.Sdei at brighton.ac.uk] Sent: 20 December 2010 22:59 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] climate files Hi All, does anybody know why my version of ESP-r does not attribute climate files to the model? I am using the cygwin version and if I go to database maintenance, annual climate, browse/edit db, I open the climate tool and I select the file for London Gatwick. From the climate tool i can see all the graphs but when i end the tool and go back to my model esp-r associates another climate to my model, called clm67. Is there anything i need to do or is this a bug? Please let me know. Thank you, regards Arianna ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ ___________________________________________________________ From ptavares at mail.isec.pt Wed Dec 22 10:20:04 2010 From: ptavares at mail.isec.pt (Paulo Tavares) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 10:20:04 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Bi-directional control - doubts to make the input file Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20101222101657.017ff1d0@pop.isec.pt> Good morning. I?m building my input file (to use with the bi-directional control), but i have some doubts. What is the meaning of (in the annex file): *layers,3 It means what? Double glass and the shader? What are the three layers? and ## Next two lines are only used for data type 1 *diffuse_abs,#,#,# *diffuse_trn,# *direct_angs,37,37 These lines are part of the input file (see the attach). I don?t understand what they mean, and what values should i write in that part of the file. What means direct_angs,37,37? Please try to answer me as soon as possible. I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! Best regards, Paulo Tavares -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101223/db215566/attachment.html From mhoh at hanbat.ac.kr Mon Dec 27 07:53:02 2010 From: mhoh at hanbat.ac.kr (MYUNGHWAN OH) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:53:02 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] [ESP-r] MRT calculation using view factor Message-ID: <000001cba59b$16422a60$42c67f20$@hanbat.ac.kr> Dear. All I have tried to calculate Mean Radiant Temperature depending on window surface temperature that is related PMV. I installed MRT sensor and calculated view factors ( I am wondering if view factor is used for calculating MRT and view factor is calculated automatically) Anyway, after that, I did simulation. but MRT didn't be calculated........PMV was calculated. Do i install something like radiant panel on the ceiling ?? I red ESP-r COOKBOOK(2 december 2010) "radiation view factors" or are there other options to set up for calculating MRT?? And Is there another way to calculate MRT ?? I really want to know. Please give me a advice. Thank you. HANBAT NATIONAL UNIVERSITY, SOUTH KOREA SERA SIM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101227/94e03fa2/attachment.html From simsera1110 at gmail.com Tue Dec 28 05:21:24 2010 From: simsera1110 at gmail.com (simsera1110) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 14:21:24 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] MRT calculation using view factor Message-ID: Hi I have tried to calculate Mean Radiant Temperature depending on window surface temperature that is related PMV. I installed MRT sensor and calculated view factors. ( I am wondering if view factor is used for calculating MRT and view factor is calculated automatically) Anyway, after that, I did simulation. but MRT didn't be calculated........PMV was calculated. Do i install something like radiant panel on the ceiling ?? I red ESP-r COOKBOOK(2 december 2010) "radiation view factors" or are there other options to set up for calculating MRT?? And Is there another way to calculate MRT ?? I really want to know. Please give me a advice. Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101228/b45a3d69/attachment.html From andrecdr at gmail.com Wed Dec 29 18:58:49 2010 From: andrecdr at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Rocha?=) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 18:58:49 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Radiation algorithm Message-ID: Hello ESP-r world! I would like to know about the way radiation losses are dealt with in ESP-r. Does ESP-r calculate the sky temperature? How? (there isn't any reference to the "cloud factor" in my climate file...) Where can I find update information about ESP-r's algorithms? Thank all in advance! Best regards, Andr? Rocha (from ESP-r Portugal planet...) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101229/5f62855b/attachment.html From A.Sdei at brighton.ac.uk Thu Dec 30 17:16:49 2010 From: A.Sdei at brighton.ac.uk (A.Sdei at brighton.ac.uk) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:16:49 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] export energy plus files Message-ID: <19975A316C67744D9720DD2F6AB1FC660B3DAB91@EXCHANGE1.university.brighton.ac.uk> Dear All, does anyone know if it's possible to export energy plus models into ESP-r? And can cfg files created by the native windows version of ESP-r be open and modified by the cygwin version? Thank you, very happy new year to all! Kind regards, Arianna ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ ___________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101230/7e981aad/attachment.html From Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn Thu Dec 30 23:54:28 2010 From: Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn (Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 07:54:28 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] Re: export energy plus files In-Reply-To: <19975A316C67744D9720DD2F6AB1FC660B3DAB91@EXCHANGE1.university.brighton.ac.uk> References: <19975A316C67744D9720DD2F6AB1FC660B3DAB91@EXCHANGE1.university.brighton.ac.uk> Message-ID: <076B831E3BD70140B69F1D47DF456F4A2B52FDCACB@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn> Arianna, The answer to your first question is yes but only to version 2.0 of EnergyPlus. You can then use the EnergyPlus transition utilities to bring your E+ model back to the latest version. The conversion from ESP-r to E+ is done only for the basic model features (geometry, materials and basic operations). It has been many years since I did this but I remember there is one limitation in the process: make sure your model does not have any doors. You can find the export option in the first menu of Project Manager (press "export current model"). The answer to your second question is again yes. However, I think that you need to convert your model files from DOS format into UNIX format and you need to correct the lines in the model files that include "C:/Esru/..." into whatever folder your model is in the cygwin area. There are many easy ways to do this process. I tend to use editors such as "Notepad++" in Windows or "Nedit" in Linux (same for cygwin). There was a script somewhere in the source code I think that could do all this automatically but I have never tried that. Best regards, Georgios From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of A.Sdei at brighton.ac.uk Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 1:17 AM To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] export energy plus files Dear All, does anyone know if it's possible to export energy plus models into ESP-r? And can cfg files created by the native windows version of ESP-r be open and modified by the cygwin version? Thank you, very happy new year to all! Kind regards, Arianna ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ ___________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101231/dc77851d/attachment.html From Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn Fri Dec 31 00:05:32 2010 From: Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn (Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 08:05:32 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] FW: export energy plus files Message-ID: <076B831E3BD70140B69F1D47DF456F4A2B52FDCACD@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn> Arianna, I should have read your question a bit more carefully. I am not aware of a way to convert an E+ model into an ESP-r model. I thought you were asking the opposite. Best regards, Georgios From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 7:54 AM To: A.Sdei at brighton.ac.uk; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: export energy plus files Arianna, The answer to your first question is yes but only to version 2.0 of EnergyPlus. You can then use the EnergyPlus transition utilities to bring your E+ model back to the latest version. The conversion from ESP-r to E+ is done only for the basic model features (geometry, materials and basic operations). It has been many years since I did this but I remember there is one limitation in the process: make sure your model does not have any doors. You can find the export option in the first menu of Project Manager (press "export current model"). The answer to your second question is again yes. However, I think that you need to convert your model files from DOS format into UNIX format and you need to correct the lines in the model files that include "C:/Esru/..." into whatever folder your model is in the cygwin area. There are many easy ways to do this process. I tend to use editors such as "Notepad++" in Windows or "Nedit" in Linux (same for cygwin). There was a script somewhere in the source code I think that could do all this automatically but I have never tried that. Best regards, Georgios From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of A.Sdei at brighton.ac.uk Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 1:17 AM To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] export energy plus files Dear All, does anyone know if it's possible to export energy plus models into ESP-r? And can cfg files created by the native windows version of ESP-r be open and modified by the cygwin version? Thank you, very happy new year to all! Kind regards, Arianna ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ ___________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101231/a4030c72/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00001.txt Url: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20101231/a4030c72/attachment-0001.txt From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Dec 31 01:42:20 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 01:42:20 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: export energy plus files In-Reply-To: <076B831E3BD70140B69F1D47DF456F4A2B52FDCACD@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn> References: <076B831E3BD70140B69F1D47DF456F4A2B52FDCACD@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130177E98EBFDD@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> An update - I am working on export from ESP-r to V3.0 IDF files. I think I have worked out the logic for geometric export so that 'doors' in ESP-r will be correctly exported. I have also updated most of the export of casual gains to use the newer common blocks (that is still work in progress and needs testing) Although there is a general movement in the ESP-r community to explicitly represent frames around windows this creates a parent/child/grandchild situation which E+ really does not like. One idea is to split the parent surface in two so that the frame is no longer a child surface. This work should be finished in the next couple of weeks and should make its want into the development branch. The reverse operation of scanning in an E+ IDF file - that should be technically possible and the question is whether there is sufficient interest in the community to make it worth doing. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS [Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn] Sent: 31 December 2010 00:05 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; A.Sdei at brighton.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] FW: export energy plus files Arianna, I should have read your question a bit more carefully. I am not aware of a way to convert an E+ model into an ESP-r model. I thought you were asking the opposite. Best regards, Georgios From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 7:54 AM To: A.Sdei at brighton.ac.uk; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: export energy plus files Arianna, The answer to your first question is yes but only to version 2.0 of EnergyPlus. You can then use the EnergyPlus transition utilities to bring your E+ model back to the latest version. The conversion from ESP-r to E+ is done only for the basic model features (geometry, materials and basic operations). It has been many years since I did this but I remember there is one limitation in the process: make sure your model does not have any doors. You can find the export option in the first menu of Project Manager (press ?export current model?). The answer to your second question is again yes. However, I think that you need to convert your model files from DOS format into UNIX format and you need to correct the lines in the model files that include ?C:/Esru/?? into whatever folder your model is in the cygwin area. There are many easy ways to do this process. I tend to use editors such as ?Notepad++? in Windows or ?Nedit? in Linux (same for cygwin). There was a script somewhere in the source code I think that could do all this automatically but I have never tried that. Best regards, Georgios From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of A.Sdei at brighton.ac.uk Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 1:17 AM To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] export energy plus files Dear All, does anyone know if it?s possible to export energy plus models into ESP-r? And can cfg files created by the native windows version of ESP-r be open and modified by the cygwin version? Thank you, very happy new year to all! Kind regards, Arianna ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ ___________________________________________________________ From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Dec 31 01:52:35 2010 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 01:52:35 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: convert from Native Winows ESP-r to Cygwin Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4130177E98EBFDE@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> About converting models from Native Windows to work on other platforms.... In the ESP-r source in the src/bin folder there is a script named M2linux which converts a Native Windows model into a Linux syntax. It makes a number of assumptions about the layout of models and it uses a utility program named fromdos to do the conversion from DOS line endings to the Linux line endings which Cygwin/ Linux expects. Some machines do not have fromdos and use other applications such as dosunix. The syntax is slightly different and so you may need to adapt the script to get it to work on Cygwin and you might need to update Cygwin with a line ending conversion utility. If you do manage to get something working for Native Windows to Cygwin please pass the revised script and instructions for using it to me and I will get it added to the standard set of scripts. Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of A.Sdei at brighton.ac.uk [A.Sdei at brighton.ac.uk] Sent: 30 December 2010 17:16 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] export energy plus files Dear All, does anyone know if it?s possible to export energy plus models into ESP-r? And can cfg files created by the native windows version of ESP-r be open and modified by the cygwin version? Thank you, very happy new year to all! Kind regards, Arianna ___________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security System on behalf of the University of Brighton. For more information see http://www.brighton.ac.uk/is/spam/ ___________________________________________________________