From esprfans at hotmail.com Thu Jan 1 00:59:06 2009 From: esprfans at hotmail.com (Leepaul) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:59:06 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] Re: effect of longitude and latitude on the PV window power output? In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41315617A33FF@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41315617A33FF@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: Dear, all My question is: if I have a weather file of a city ,city's logitude difference is shown as -28.9, then do I have to modify it and make it between -15 and 15 degree?if I don't modify it, then I will get a wrong simulation result? thank you for your time.regard, paul> From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk> To: esprfans at hotmail.com; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:53:09 +0000> Subject: RE: [esp-r] effect of longitude and latitude on the PV window power output?> > > Changes in longitude will result in the angle of the sun> which will alter the geometric relationship between the sun> and a surface.> > It should be easy to test this running a simulation and dumping> the PV performance to a file and then altering the MODEL SITE position and making> a second run and looking at the differences.> > -Jon Hand> ________________________________________> From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Leepaul [esprfans at hotmail.com]> Sent: 27 December 2008 02:06> To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk> Subject: [esp-r] effect of longitude and latitude on the PV window power output?> > Dear all,> > what is the effect of longitude and latitude on power output of the vertical PV windows toward the west.> > for example, I'm simulating the vertical PV window toward the west located at London, fisrtly I get a power output from the original weather file, then keep anything of London weather file unchanged but change London' longitude, then what will happen for power output?> > regards,> paul> > ________________________________> MSN???????????MSN??? ?????? _________________________________________________________________ ???????? ?? Windows Live? ???????? http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090101/26cbf370/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Jan 1 10:49:32 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:49:32 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: effect of longitude and latitude on the PV window power output? Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41315617A3400@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> The first issue is -28.9 degrees. How was this number arrived at? The definition of longitude difference was given in a previous email. There are few cities which are ~28 degrees away from the local time meridian. There are some places in Portugal which are slightly more than 15 degrees away from their time meridian and there is China which is one time zone but ~50 degrees wide. Using -28.9 will shift the sun position quite a bit, it is almost certainly incorrect (unless you are in China) and if you looked at the predictions for solar early and late in the day you would probably notice that the sunrise and sunset were at an extreme time. There are web sites that allow you to plot sunrise and sunset times at different locations and you might use these as a check. Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Leepaul [esprfans at hotmail.com] Sent: 01 January 2009 00:59 To: esp-r email list email list Subject: [esp-r] Re: effect of longitude and latitude on the PV window power output? Dear, all My question is: if I have a weather file of a city ,city's logitude difference is shown as -28.9, then do I have to modify it and make it between -15 and 15 degree? if I don't modify it, then I will get a wrong simulation result? thank you for your time. regard, paul > From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk > To: esprfans at hotmail.com; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:53:09 +0000 > Subject: RE: [esp-r] effect of longitude and latitude on the PV window power output? > > > Changes in longitude will result in the angle of the sun > which will alter the geometric relationship between the sun > and a surface. > > It should be easy to test this running a simulation and dumping > the PV performance to a file and then altering the MODEL SITE position and making > a second run and looking at the differences. > > -Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Leepaul [esprfans at hotmail.com] > Sent: 27 December 2008 02:06 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] effect of longitude and latitude on the PV window power output? > > Dear all, > > what is the effect of longitude and latitude on power output of the vertical PV windows toward the west. > > for example, I'm simulating the vertical PV window toward the west located at London, fisrtly I get a power output from the original weather file, then keep anything of London weather file unchanged but change London' longitude, then what will happen for power output? > > regards, > paul > > ________________________________ > MSN???????????MSN??? ?????? ________________________________ ?? Windows Live? ??????????????? ? ??Windows Live? ???????? ??????? From perhaugaard at yahoo.dk Tue Jan 6 07:44:04 2009 From: perhaugaard at yahoo.dk (Per Haugaard) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:44:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [esp-r] Several zones facing the same zone Message-ID: <532293.40077.qm@web26607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Dear usergroup, I am doing a simulation on a hotel where several zones (rooms) are facing the same zone (the same wall in the hallway). My questions is can this be modeled in ESP-r or do I need to subdivide the wall in the hallway to match the number of zones facing the wall and can this be done easily? Any help is appreciated. Best regards Per Haugaard ______________________ Per Haugaard, Griffenfeldsgade 33, 2.tv 2200 K?benhavn N Denmark mobil: +45 26 39 06 40 E-mail: perhaugaard at yahoo.dk ___________________________________________________________ Skal du k?be ny bil? Sammenlign priser p? brugte biler med Kelkoo og find et godt tilbud! - Se mere her http://dk.yahoo.com/r/pat/mmb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090106/236fa0b3/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Tue Jan 6 08:40:23 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 09:40:23 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Several zones facing the same zone In-Reply-To: <532293.40077.qm@web26607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <532293.40077.qm@web26607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601c96fda$6ca16540$45e42fc0$@geissler@intergga.ch> Dear Per You will need to subdivide the hallway zone such that each room has a corresponding own connection surface to the hallway. Possibly the quickest way to go about this is to first create a room zone, then multiply this to the required number and afterwards create the hallway by ?connecting existing vertices?. Missing vertices would need to be entered beforehand, though (but the coordinates should be known, so that should not be a problem). Regards Achim From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Per Haugaard Sent: Dienstag, 6. Januar 2009 08:44 To: ESP-r_ny Subject: [esp-r] Several zones facing the same zone Dear usergroup, I am doing a simulation on a hotel where several zones (rooms) are facing the same zone (the same wall in the hallway). My questions is can this be modeled in ESP-r or do I need to subdivide the wall in the hallway to match the number of zones facing the wall and can this be done easily? Any help is appreciated. Best regards Per Haugaard ______________________ Per Haugaard, Griffenfeldsgade 33, 2.tv 2200 K?benhavn N Denmark mobil: +45 26 39 06 40 E-mail: perhaugaard at yahoo.dk _____ F? en billig laptop. Se Kelkoos gode tilbud her ! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090106/88e61049/attachment.html From georgios.kokogiannakis at strath.ac.uk Tue Jan 6 08:43:33 2009 From: georgios.kokogiannakis at strath.ac.uk (Georgios Kokogiannakis) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 08:43:33 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Several zones facing the same zone In-Reply-To: <532293.40077.qm@web26607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <532293.40077.qm@web26607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <15250AE5A201354287B3F9354F38B6FC36BAF07B4C@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> You just need to delete the hallway's wall and then copy and invert the room's walls (using the copy surface from another zone option - and then the invert option) to the hallway. If there is a gap in your wall after this process (for example, if any part of this wall is exposed to the outside or wherever else), close it by making a new surface from the existing vertices. Also, if the construction of this wall is not symmetric you will need to define an inverted construction in the constructions database. Hope this helps, Georgios ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Per Haugaard [perhaugaard at yahoo.dk] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:44 AM To: ESP-r_ny Subject: [esp-r] Several zones facing the same zone Dear usergroup, I am doing a simulation on a hotel where several zones (rooms) are facing the same zone (the same wall in the hallway). My questions is can this be modeled in ESP-r or do I need to subdivide the wall in the hallway to match the number of zones facing the wall and can this be done easily? Any help is appreciated. Best regards Per Haugaard ______________________ Per Haugaard, Griffenfeldsgade 33, 2.tv 2200 K?benhavn N Denmark mobil: +45 26 39 06 40 E-mail: perhaugaard at yahoo.dk ________________________________ F? en billig laptop. Se Kelkoos gode tilbud her! From lswan at dal.ca Wed Jan 7 16:26:41 2009 From: lswan at dal.ca (Lukas Swan (Dal)) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 12:26:41 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] screen capture questions Message-ID: <010f01c970e4$b942ffc0$2bc8ff40$@ca> Hi First: I am having trouble capturing the rendering screen in esp-r and the error is that I appear to be missing the program "import". I had a look in the package manager, but only found one relatively large program (>100 MB) and something for R (statistical analysis tool). Does anyone have any help on this or where to pick up the program? I am using Ubuntu. Second: Assuming I get "import" working and can capture the esp-r screen, I would like to do a batch process to capture the screens of many different models. I can easily write an automated program to open each model in prj. Is there any way to go through the text mode and still have it save a image of the model? I would like to verify that my batch process for model development is working on a wide range of models using a visual check. Regards Lukas Swan Dalhousie Univ. Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090107/bf5c6e6e/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Jan 7 18:11:49 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:11:49 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: screen capture questions In-Reply-To: <010f01c970e4$b942ffc0$2bc8ff40$@ca> References: <010f01c970e4$b942ffc0$2bc8ff40$@ca> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41315617A3407@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> The package you are looking for is imagemagick. It is quite simple to install this via the Ubuntu Synaptic Package Manager. But Ubuntu might also come with other ways of doing a screen capture. The true benefit of the 'import' application is that it can be started up in a small command line window that does not cover up the ESP-r application (other capture tools may involve a pop-up dialog which will tend to cause ESP-r to try and re-draw the image as you are capturing it. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Lukas Swan (Dal) [lswan at dal.ca] Sent: 07 January 2009 16:26 To: esp-r at strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] screen capture questions Hi First: I am having trouble capturing the rendering screen in esp-r and the error is that I appear to be missing the program ?import?. I had a look in the package manager, but only found one relatively large program (>100 MB) and something for R (statistical analysis tool). Does anyone have any help on this or where to pick up the program? I am using Ubuntu. Second: Assuming I get ?import? working and can capture the esp-r screen, I would like to do a batch process to capture the screens of many different models. I can easily write an automated program to open each model in prj. Is there any way to go through the text mode and still have it save a image of the model? I would like to verify that my batch process for model development is working on a wide range of models using a visual check. Regards Lukas Swan Dalhousie Univ. Canada From manzan at units.it Fri Jan 9 19:20:32 2009 From: manzan at units.it (Marco Manzan) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:20:32 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] inclined overhang Message-ID: <20090109202032.208632x86pcqvnnk@webmail.units.it> hi to all I would like to simulate a room with an external shading device made of an inclined overhang. In esp-r I can add an obstacle and then run ish to perform shading and insolation analysis. But the obstructions are made of prisms that can be rotated along the vertical axis only. How can I introduce an obstruction rotated along an horizontal axis ? thanks in advance -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria Navale, del Mare e per l'Ambiente | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Sat Jan 10 20:22:35 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 21:22:35 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: inclined overhang In-Reply-To: <20090109202032.208632x86pcqvnnk@webmail.units.it> References: <20090109202032.208632x86pcqvnnk@webmail.units.it> Message-ID: Dear Marco as far as I know, this is not possible. However, you can stack smaller obstructions diagonally. This should enable you to model your shading to a good enough accuracy. Regards Achim On Jan 9, 2009, at 8:20 PM, Marco Manzan wrote: > hi to all > > I would like to simulate a room with an external shading device made > of an inclined overhang. In esp-r I can add an obstacle and then run > ish to perform shading and insolation analysis. But the obstructions > are made of prisms that can be rotated along the vertical axis only. > How can I introduce an obstruction rotated along an horizontal axis ? > > thanks in advance > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | > |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | > |Dipartimento di Ingegneria Navale, del Mare e per l'Ambiente | > |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | > |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | > |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > achim.geissler at intergga.ch From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Jan 14 12:44:37 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 12:44:37 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Anyone successfully used Micronal PCM Smartboard in an ESP-r model? Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41315617A3417@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> For an upcoming project there is an interest in exploring the use of Micronal PCM Smartboard within an ESP-r model. ESP-r supports several types of PCM. The question, from the point of view of a non-expert in PCM, is whether the characteristics of Micronal can be represented within ESP-r. If anyone has comments about this could they get in touch with Jon Hand jon at esru.strath.ac.uk A google for Micronal SmartBoard leads to several sites with technical data. I can send the PDF documentation I found if necessary. Regards, Jon Hand From kim_minhwan at dasskorea.com Thu Jan 15 05:35:15 2009 From: kim_minhwan at dasskorea.com (=?EUC-KR?B?sei5zsiv?=) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:35:15 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] sensing contaminant in network/flow control Message-ID: Dear User group Hi this is Minhwan. I wonder in current version of ESP-r if we can control flow by sensing contaminants. In 'contaminant' menu under 'Network', I define contaminant and source. But I couldn't find way to sensing it to control flow. Your advice will be appreciated. Thank you very much in advance. Best regards, Minhwan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090115/6be9d189/attachment.html From aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk Thu Jan 15 12:43:02 2009 From: aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk (Aizaz Samuel) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:43:02 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: sensing contaminant in network/flow control In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200901151243.02636.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> Minhwan, Contaminants can be sensed from flow control in the usual way. Click on whichever control loop you want to sense contaminants from > sensor details > senses flow node or connection > flow node (typical) > contaminant concentration at node > choose contaminant > choose actuator (either single flow connection or component). Finally choose node at which contaminant is sensed. You may find the CO2 exemplars (technical features under models for beginners) useful. Regards, Aizaz On Thursday 15 January 2009 05:35, ??? wrote: > Dear User group > > Hi this is Minhwan. I wonder in current version of ESP-r if we can control > flow by sensing contaminants. > > In 'contaminant' menu under 'Network', I define contaminant and source. > > But I couldn't find way to sensing it to control flow. > > Your advice will be appreciated. > > Thank you very much in advance. > > Best regards, > > Minhwan From lswan at dal.ca Fri Jan 16 19:54:50 2009 From: lswan at dal.ca (Lukas Swan (Dal)) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:54:50 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] XML naming for esp-r Message-ID: <021d01c97814$4b08d980$e11a8c80$@ca> Hi I have two variables that pop up at the top of my XML reporting dictionary due to capitalization during a ASCIIbetical sort: "Building/Ground_Reflectivity","Reflectivity of the ground for solar radiation","dimensionless" "Climate/SnowDepth","Depth of the snow on the ground","cm" I would like to change them to lower case to match the other variable names (i.e. I think they should both go into 'climate/*') Where in the src code do I find this naming structure? 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090116/e62a9ff8/attachment.html From Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca Fri Jan 16 20:36:43 2009 From: Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca (Ferguson, Alex) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:36:43 -0500 Subject: [esp-r] Re: XML naming for esp-r In-Reply-To: <021d01c97814$4b08d980$e11a8c80$@ca> References: <021d01c97814$4b08d980$e11a8c80$@ca> Message-ID: Hi Lukas; Try running the following commands: $ find -name "*.F" | xargs grep --color -n "SnowDepth" $ find -name "*.F" | xargs grep --color -n "Ground_Reflectivity" Please submit your changes back to development branch; this case mismatch has long irritated me too. - Alex ________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Lukas Swan (Dal) Sent: January 16, 2009 14:55 To: esp-r at strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] XML naming for esp-r Hi I have two variables that pop up at the top of my XML reporting dictionary due to capitalization during a ASCIIbetical sort: "Building/Ground_Reflectivity","Reflectivity of the ground for solar radiation","dimensionless" "Climate/SnowDepth","Depth of the snow on the ground","cm" I would like to change them to lower case to match the other variable names (i.e. I think they should both go into 'climate/*') Where in the src code do I find this naming structure? 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090119/a146e38c/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Jan 19 14:11:45 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:11:45 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Importing glazing from WIS In-Reply-To: <66336.40832.qm@web26608.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <66336.40832.qm@web26608.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41315617A342A@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> This message would tend to show up for those using the native windows version of ESP-r (there is no /tmp folder). This folder exists on all the other computing platforms that ES-r works on. It is difficult to assume that there is a suitable folder (of a specific name) to write temporary information on Windows machines. Not everyone has a C:\TEMP folder. The ESp-r community never quite decided what to do for a scratch folder on Windows. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Per Haugaard [perhaugaard at yahoo.dk] Sent: 19 January 2009 12:30 To: ESP-r_ny Subject: [esp-r] Importing glazing from WIS Dear Usergroup, I have generated a glazing in WIS and I get an error when I try to import it into ESP-r. ESP-r reports "Could not find /tmp/testtag.txt" Have anyone experienced the same? Any help is appreciated :) Best regards Per Haugaard ______________________ Per Haugaard, Griffenfeldsgade 33, 2.tv 2200 K?benhavn N Denmark mobil: +45 26 39 06 40 E-mail: perhaugaard at yahoo.dk ________________________________ Skal du k?be ny bil? Sammenlign priser p? brugte biler med Kelkoo og find et godt tilbud! From kim_minhwan at dasskorea.com Tue Jan 20 00:41:31 2009 From: kim_minhwan at dasskorea.com (=?EUC-KR?B?sei5zsiv?=) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:41:31 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] Re: sensing contaminant in network/flow control Message-ID: I appreciate reply from user group. While I was looking at exemplary model about CO2 control via mechanical ventilation, (by the way I'm using ESP-r native windows version) I found sth interesting. When I changed the control setting in control loop under 'period data', especially set point from 2 to 20 (CO2 concentration), simulation result of air change rate of interest connection was changed to 0(ac/h), as I expected. But when I display the same result with contaminant concentration of sensed node(CO2), the result of ACR was suddenly changed to 30(ac/h). I wonder if this is normal then how should I understand this. It will be appreciated if you share your any idea about this. Thank YOU in advance. Best regards Minhwan Kim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090120/5608ff66/attachment.html From perhaugaard at yahoo.dk Tue Jan 20 07:35:34 2009 From: perhaugaard at yahoo.dk (Per Haugaard) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 07:35:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [esp-r] Re: Importing glazing from WIS In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41315617A342A@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <26190.71019.qm@web26602.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hey Jon and User group, Strange because I have installed ESP-r on Ubuntu 8.10. There is a /tmp directory but it contains no testtag.txt file. Can I generate that or how do I fix the WIS import facility? Any help is appreciated :) Best regards Per Haugaard ______________________ Per Haugaard, Griffenfeldsgade 33, 2.tv 2200 K?benhavn N Denmark mobil: +45 26 39 06 40 E-mail: perhaugaard at yahoo.dk --- Den man 19/1/09 skrev Jon Hand : Fra: Jon Hand Emne: RE: [esp-r] Importing glazing from WIS Til: "perhaugaard at yahoo.dk" , "ESP-r_ny" Dato: mandag 19. januar 2009 15.11 This message would tend to show up for those using the native windows version of ESP-r (there is no /tmp folder). This folder exists on all the other computing platforms that ES-r works on. It is difficult to assume that there is a suitable folder (of a specific name) to write temporary information on Windows machines. Not everyone has a C:\TEMP folder. The ESp-r community never quite decided what to do for a scratch folder on Windows. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Per Haugaard [perhaugaard at yahoo.dk] Sent: 19 January 2009 12:30 To: ESP-r_ny Subject: [esp-r] Importing glazing from WIS Dear Usergroup, I have generated a glazing in WIS and I get an error when I try to import it into ESP-r. ESP-r reports "Could not find /tmp/testtag.txt" Have anyone experienced the same? Any help is appreciated :) Best regards Per Haugaard ______________________ Per Haugaard, Griffenfeldsgade 33, 2.tv 2200 K?benhavn N Denmark mobil: +45 26 39 06 40 E-mail: perhaugaard at yahoo.dk ________________________________ Skal du k?be ny bil? Sammenlign priser p? brugte biler med Kelkoo og find et godt tilbud! Tr?nger du til at se det store billede? Kelkoo giver dig gode tilbud p? LCD TV! Se her http://dk.yahoo.com/r/pat/lcd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090120/a01a8bbf/attachment.html From gialloneroverde at gmail.com Tue Jan 20 14:31:27 2009 From: gialloneroverde at gmail.com (giulio benincasa) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:31:27 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Results analysis Message-ID: <67666d10901200631y3b9b07ddy29dec49286f239bd@mail.gmail.com> Hello to all, I can not read the results of a simulation performed using the air flow network. Probably is not a problem on my model, because running the simulation of a any example ( with air flow network to default) of the programm, also in that case turning to the library of the results (...mfr) when I ask to view the volume flow rate on a date connection, then the analisys results disappears. Can someone help me? Someone had the same problem? My version of ESP-r 11.6 is installed on ubuntu 8.1 Thank you very in advance Regards Giulio Benincasa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090120/4e516da6/attachment.html From leen.peeters at mech.kuleuven.be Wed Jan 21 10:06:49 2009 From: leen.peeters at mech.kuleuven.be (Leen Peeters) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:06:49 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] solar radiation Message-ID: <001c01c97baf$fa07fad0$6401a8c0@mech.kuleuven.be> Dear all, the solar radiation, when not applying special features, is not specifically allocated to a certain part of the zonal enclosure. When the radiation through a window is calculated, it enters the zone. Is it then divided over all non-transparant parts of the zonal enclosure? What happens if I have an internal window? thanks, Leen Peeters University of Leuven Postbox: 02421 APPLIED MECHANICS AND ENERGY CONVERSION office number 02.050 Celestijnenlaan 300A 3001 Heverlee Belgium Phone +32-16-322.518 Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090121/230ccddb/attachment.html From blomanow at engmail.uwaterloo.ca Wed Jan 21 22:05:16 2009 From: blomanow at engmail.uwaterloo.ca (Bart Lomanowski) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:05:16 -0500 Subject: [esp-r] Re: esp-r Digest, Vol 30, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090121170516.19975hw1q57oo0g8@www.nexusmail.uwaterloo.ca> Hi Leen, When solar radiation enters the zone, it is distributed according to the solar distribution specified in Zone Geometry-> g solar distribution. Solar radiation which enters the zone has direct and diffuse components. By default 'diffuse radiation distribution' is selected for which the direct component is lumped with the diffuse component. The radiation is distributed to each internal surface based on area weighting and absorptance. You can also specify 1 or 2 insolated surfaces to which all the direct (beam) solar radiation will be directed. The diffuse component is always distributed to all zone surfaces by area and absorptance. In the case of an internal window, there is an approximate algorithm which processes the incident radiation on the window and calculates the reflected, absorbed and (re)transmitted (to adjacent zone or back outside) components. The ish module also provides a more accurate treatment of direct solar radiation distribution based on monthly solar position. The insolation data along with obstructions shading data is stored in a file *.shd. You can run the ish module from Zones Composition->f shading & insolation. Hope that helps, Bart --- Bartosz Lomanowski Solar Thermal Research Lab Department of Mechanical Engineering University of Waterloo 200 University Avenue West Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2L 3G1 +1 519 888 4567 x33885 From sadeghipour at gmail.com Thu Jan 22 11:51:43 2009 From: sadeghipour at gmail.com (Mostapha Sadeghipour) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 16:21:43 +0430 Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r Tutorial on CFD simulation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear ESP-r folks, Is there any available tutorial on CFD simulation with ESP-r? The chapter in ESP-r cookbook is written to be completed at a later date. Best, Mostapha Sadeghipour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090122/9a9b5792/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Jan 27 11:48:26 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:48:26 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] when did ESP-r go open source? Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4131CF346B652@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> I am writing a paper for IBPSA 09 about some of the issues related to documenting open source simulation tools (for developers, practitioners and students). I wanted to set the context vis-a-vis the decision to go open source. I can't find the brain cell that remembers the date that this happened. Anyone remember? -Jon Hand From ibeausol at mae.carleton.ca Tue Jan 27 13:21:19 2009 From: ibeausol at mae.carleton.ca (Ian Beausoleil-Morrison) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:21:19 -0500 Subject: [esp-r] Re: when did ESP-r go open source? In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4131CF346B652@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4131CF346B652@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <002201c98082$24475c10$6cd61430$@carleton.ca> Jon, It was circa 2002. - Ian > -----Original Message----- > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r- > bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jon Hand > Sent: January 27, 2009 6:48 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] when did ESP-r go open source? > > > I am writing a paper for IBPSA 09 about some of the issues related to > documenting > open source simulation tools (for developers, practitioners and students). I > wanted > to set the context vis-a-vis the decision to go open source. I can't find > the brain > cell that remembers the date that this happened. Anyone remember? > > -Jon Hand > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From paul at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Jan 27 14:05:32 2009 From: paul at esru.strath.ac.uk (Paul Strachan) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:05:32 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: when did ESP-r go open source? In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4131CF346B652@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4131CF346B652@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <497F14AC.8070100@esru.strath.ac.uk> The announcement was made on this list on 21st June 2002. Paul > I am writing a paper for IBPSA 09 about some of the issues related to documenting > open source simulation tools (for developers, practitioners and students). I wanted > to set the context vis-a-vis the decision to go open source. I can't find the brain > cell that remembers the date that this happened. Anyone remember? > > -Jon Hand > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > From Florian.Stift at arsenal.ac.at Wed Jan 28 14:21:10 2009 From: Florian.Stift at arsenal.ac.at (Stift Florian) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:21:10 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Position for Research Group Manager Message-ID: <408B0E73B64A0B4A98673E6387A3326804113FDD@s1ms19.D01.arc.local> Hi, arsenal research GmbH (Vienna, Austria), is currently looking for a Manager of the "Sustainable Building Technologies" - Research Group. Please find the detailed job description under http://arsenal.ac.at/downloads/job5.pdf Best Regards, Florian Stift ________________________________________ arsenal research Energy DI(FH) Florian Stift Sustainable Building Technologies - Nachhaltige Geb?udetechnologien ?sterreichisches Forschungs- und Pr?fzentrum Arsenal Ges.m.b.H. 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In addition, if the sensor is in one zone (e.g. main) and the actuator is air point of two zones (e.g. main and bsmt) there is very odd response of which gets heat injection, including the potential to be 150% of specified capacity. My building time step is 10/hr. I am simply trying to model a typical deadband thermostat in the main zone that controls a idealized plant that has fixed ON capacity and injects heat to the main and basement zones (preferably 60%/40% heat rate distribution to the zone of the fixed capacity). Thoughts? Lukas Swan Dalhousie Univ. Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There is an example model for master slave in the exemplars area. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Lukas Swan (Dal) [lswan at dal.ca] Sent: 28 January 2009 16:46 To: esp-r at strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] zone control laws Hello I am having difficulty understanding the idealized zone control law response of a ?Fixed heat injection? and ?Multi-stage control with hysteresis? when applied to my model. 1) They appear to frequently use ? the defined fixed capacity and only under certain circumstances use the full capacity 2) The temperature differential is not set in the ?fixed? version, but appears to apply full capacity or half capacity depending on temperature difference above setpoint, but also exhibits some PID response. 3) ?Multi? also exhibits some interesting things. In addition, if the sensor is in one zone (e.g. main) and the actuator is air point of two zones (e.g. main and bsmt) there is very odd response of which gets heat injection, including the potential to be 150% of specified capacity. My building time step is 10/hr. I am simply trying to model a typical deadband thermostat in the main zone that controls a idealized plant that has fixed ON capacity and injects heat to the main and basement zones (preferably 60%/40% heat rate distribution to the zone of the fixed capacity). Thoughts? Lukas Swan Dalhousie Univ. Canada From perhaugaard at yahoo.dk Mon Feb 2 14:26:55 2009 From: perhaugaard at yahoo.dk (Per Haugaard) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:26:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [esp-r] Multiskin facade and daylight study Message-ID: <437701.10088.qm@web26602.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Dear community, In a current project I need to make a daylight study in building with a multiskin facade. Focus is on daylight factors and energy delivered from the sun. I am modeling this as a two zone model. Problem: I need to investigate how tilting the exterior facade effects the daylight factors and energy delivered from the sun. Question: 1) Can ESP-r/Radiance take sun penetrating from an adjacent zone into account and how is the partition modeled? 2) I guess if ESP-r/Radiance can handle question 1 the package can also calculate daylight factors and energy delivered from the sun from a tilted facade :) Any feedback is appreciated Best regards Per Haugaard ______________________ Per Haugaard, Griffenfeldsgade 33, 2.tv 2200 K?benhavn N Denmark mobil: +45 26 39 06 40 E-mail: perhaugaard at yahoo.dk ___________________________________________________________ Skal du k?be ny bil? Sammenlign priser p? brugte biler med Kelkoo og find et godt tilbud! - Se mere her http://dk.yahoo.com/r/pat/mmb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Focus is on daylight factors and energy delivered from the sun. I am modeling this as a two zone model. Problem: I need to investigate how tilting the exterior facade effects the daylight factors and energy delivered from the sun. Question: 1) Can ESP-r/Radiance take sun penetrating from an adjacent zone into account and how is the partition modeled? 2) I guess if ESP-r/Radiance can handle question 1 the package can also calculate daylight factors and energy delivered from the sun from a tilted facade :) ______________________ Yes, esp-r deals with sunlight passing between zones - this is treated as a diffuse source as it goes from one zone to the adjacent zone. You can have a mix of opaque and transparent surfaces which form partitions between zones. Typically partitions are symmetrical and thus the optical properties are the same for the partition in both of the zones. Sloped facades are probably not a problem - and be sure that the edge ordering begins along the bottom edge and goes anti-clockwise. Make sure that surfaces are actually flat. And if you export and esp-r model to Radiance then radiance will work as normal for portions of a building which are connected by mixtures of opaque and transparent surfaces. If you ask for daylight factors then usually it does not matter how many zones there are or how many transparent partitions there are - it will eventually finish computing and show you the grid of daylight factors. To explore this find one of the exemplar models which has a glass partition and pass it to Radiance and see what happens. -Jon From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Feb 3 09:59:22 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:59:22 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Notification of a new book on ESP-r in French Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4131CF346B674@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Enterprising members of the ESP-r community have written a book about ESP-r for those in the community of French speaking nations. "esp-r modelisation et simulation des batiments - tome 1" by Clement Marcel and published by VIHERIO editions (www.viherio.fr) is a great complement to the ESP-r Cookbook. It is 45 Euro including handling charges for France. Contact the publishers for shipping to other locations. Look under the Edition tab on the web site. ISBN 978-2-8140-0000-1 And shortly Seoul National University in Seoul Korea will be announcing a Korean translation of the ESP-r Cookbook! Anyone want to work with us on a German version or a version for China? Regards, Jon Hand, ESRU, University of Strathclyde, Glasgow From Godfried.Augenbroe at coa.gatech.edu Mon Feb 2 23:08:28 2009 From: Godfried.Augenbroe at coa.gatech.edu (AUGENBROE , GODFRIED L) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 18:08:28 -0500 Subject: [esp-r] Open faculty positions in Architectural and Mechanical Engineering - Georgia Institute of Technology Message-ID: <1DCCA74D2AA6CE4D912ABD24285ED77303242BC6@murmur.coa.ad.gatech.edu> Dear Colleagues, We have started a search for two new faculty members in the areas of Architectural and Mechanical Engineering to be appointed in the Colleges of Architecture and Engineering at the Georgia Institute of Technology,. We look forward to receive your applications and nominations. Regards, Fried Augenbroe High Performance Buildings and Advanced Building Energy Systems The College of Architecture (www.coa.gatech.edu ) of the Georgia Institute of Technology invites nominations and applications for one or more Tenure/Tenure-Track Faculty Position with a joint appointment in Architecture and Mechanical Engineering at the Assistant, Associate, or Full Professor level. The College of Architecture and the School of Mechanical Engineering aspire to advance the design of high performance buildings through innovative teaching and research in building physics and simulation, including areas such as heat and mass transfer, ventilation, sustainable space-conditioning equipment and integrated subsystems, HVAC technologies, sensing and control, and/or acoustics, and passive and active energy harvesting as applied to energy efficient building and construction practices. Candidates must demonstrate proven record of scholarship in one or more of these areas. Senior candidates must have a demonstrated record of research and scholarship. Specifically, we seek candidates with a commitment to leading interdisciplinary research and teaching between Architecture and Mechanical Engineering on the application of energy efficient technologies in buildings. The successful candidate would be expected to develop and teach courses in environmental systems to architecture and engineering students, participate in architectural studio reviews, and advise post-professional Master of Science and PhD students in the areas of building performance and advanced building technologies. Candidates holding a PhD in architecture, building science, architectural engineering, or related fields, along with a professional degree in architecture are highly preferred. We particularly encourage candidates who can increase the diversity of our faculty. The position will begin in August 2009 or as otherwise negotiated. We offer a competitive salary and benefits package. Consideration of applications will begin on February 15, but will be accepted until the position is filled. Interested individuals are invited to submit a letter of application, a curriculum vitae, and the names, addresses and telephone numbers of three references to: Dr. Russell Gentry, Associate Professor and Chair of the Search Committee, Office of the Dean, College of Architecture, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA 30332-0155. Information on the composition and programs of the College of Architecture will be sent upon request or can be accessed on our website http://www.coa.gatech.edu Fried Professor Godfried Augenbroe Doctoral Program, College of Architecture, Georgia Tech fried.augenbroe at coa.gatech.edu Office: 404-894-1686 Community: http://hdcp.coa.ad.gatech.edu/bt Home:http://hdcp.coa.ad.gatech.edu/btwiki/index.php/User:Godfried -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank you for your information in advance. Sincerely, Lewis Yook - Team Manager, Integrated Simulation Unit. Design and Simulation for Sustainability (DASS) consultants Ltd. 143-834 Venture Center 304-ho 632-9 Guui-dong Gwangjin-gu, Seoul, Korea T. 82.2.913.2585 F. 82.2.949.2585 H. www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090204/d9074915/attachment.html From bereketan at yahoo.com Thu Feb 5 04:41:31 2009 From: bereketan at yahoo.com (bereket nigusse) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 20:41:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [esp-r] Espr Prj Manager Launch problem Message-ID: <465671.74550.qm@web32708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All, I just installed Cygwin binary version of Esp-r. I also installed Cygwin. The Ep-r installation completed successfully. However, when I type prj on the Cygwin command terminal the esp-r project manger is not coming. What is the problem? Any insight to the problem? Thanks, Bereket From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Thu Feb 5 09:17:39 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:17:39 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Espr Prj Manager Launch problem In-Reply-To: <465671.74550.qm@web32708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <465671.74550.qm@web32708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c98772$9824f470$c86edd50$@geissler@intergga.ch> The first guess would be that you have not set the environment variables. This is described in the install notes. Achim -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of bereket nigusse Sent: Donnerstag, 5. Februar 2009 05:42 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Espr Prj Manager Launch problem Hi All, I just installed Cygwin binary version of Esp-r. I also installed Cygwin. The Ep-r installation completed successfully. However, when I type prj on the Cygwin command terminal the esp-r project manger is not coming. What is the problem? Any insight to the problem? Thanks, Bereket _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Feb 5 10:32:30 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:32:30 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Espr Prj Manager Launch problem with Cygwin emulation Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4131CF346B692@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A question about using ESP-r under Cygwin emulator... There are two classic reasons for this. a) you are working with the initial text command window which is unable to work with graphic applications. you must start up an X11 graphic session (there are notes about this in the notes about setting up cygwin) via a command such as startxwin.sh b) the PATH environment variable has not been updated to include the full path to where the ESP-r executables live. To test if this is the case try the following command: which prj this should return /usr/esru/esp-r/bin/prj to check that prj is working (in the graphic window) give the following command /usr/esru/esp-r/bin/prj if you get a message "Can not open" then you are not running in a graphic command window. Regards Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of bereket nigusse [bereketan at yahoo.com] Sent: 05 February 2009 04:41 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Espr Prj Manager Launch problem Hi All, I just installed Cygwin binary version of Esp-r. I also installed Cygwin. The Ep-r installation completed successfully. However, when I type prj on the Cygwin command terminal the esp-r project manger is not coming. What is the problem? Any insight to the problem? Thanks, Bereket _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From bereketan at yahoo.com Thu Feb 5 13:53:24 2009 From: bereketan at yahoo.com (bereket nigusse) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 05:53:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [esp-r] Re: Espr Prj Manager Launch problem with Cygwin emulation In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4131CF346B692@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <564170.36375.qm@web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jon, I just tried step 2; I did get the path but when I typed /usr/esru/esp-r/bin/prj there is no response. It blinks for second a and returns back to the command line position. Regarding step 1: I typed the "startxwin.sh" on the cygwin command line, the response is "command not found". Any insight? Do I have to copy these commands "startxwin.sh" or "startxwin.bat" separately to a specific path? Do they come with Cygwin installation? Many thanks, Bereket --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Jon Hand wrote: > From: Jon Hand > Subject: RE: [esp-r] Espr Prj Manager Launch problem with Cygwin emulation > To: "bereketan at yahoo.com" , "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" > Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 2:32 AM > A question about using ESP-r under Cygwin emulator... > > There are two classic reasons for this. > > a) you are working with the initial text command window > which is unable to work with > graphic applications. you must start up an X11 graphic > session (there are notes about > this in the notes about setting up cygwin) via a command > such as startxwin.sh > > b) the PATH environment variable has not been updated to > include the full path > to where the ESP-r executables live. To test if this > is the case try the > following command: > > which prj > > this should return /usr/esru/esp-r/bin/prj > > to check that prj is working (in the graphic window) > give the following command > > /usr/esru/esp-r/bin/prj > > > if you get a message "Can not open" then you > are not running in a graphic command window. > > > Regards Jon Hand > > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of bereket > nigusse [bereketan at yahoo.com] > Sent: 05 February 2009 04:41 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Espr Prj Manager Launch problem > > Hi All, > > I just installed Cygwin binary version of Esp-r. I also > installed Cygwin. The Ep-r installation completed > successfully. > > However, when I type prj on the Cygwin command terminal the > esp-r project manger is not coming. > > What is the problem? Any insight to the problem? > > Thanks, > > Bereket > > > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From obrien_liam at hotmail.com Sat Feb 7 23:25:56 2009 From: obrien_liam at hotmail.com (Liam O'Brien) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 18:25:56 -0500 Subject: [esp-r] Psat01: small saturation vapour pressure Message-ID: Hello all, I have encountered the message: "Psat01: small saturation vapour pressure" upon running bps. The simulation begins but stops around the end of January. It seems to be connected to the use of BASESIMP, since I wasn't getting it from the same model before using BASESIMP as a boundary condition. Does anyone have any insight into this? Thanks. Liam O'Brien _________________________________________________________________ How fun is this? IMing with Windows Live Messenger just got better. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/messenger.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090207/795e36ab/attachment.html From mattkoch at scitex.us Mon Feb 9 00:51:47 2009 From: mattkoch at scitex.us (Matt Koch) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 18:51:47 -0600 Subject: [esp-r] ... climate files ... Message-ID: <498F7E23.7080401@scitex.us> Hello there, been looking into ESP-r for a number of years, decided to give it a real try now. First hurdle is climate file conversion. Found a bunch of EPW files for EnergyPlus, trying to convert them to ESP-r binary using the following command: clm -mode text -file USA_TX_San.Antonio_TMY2 -act epw2bin silent USA_TX_San.Antonio_TMY2.epw The following is the output: "Starting clm in mode text with file USA_TX_San.Antonio_TMY2 and action epw2bin in silent mode. using/making file USA_TX_San.Antonio_TMY2.epw ESP-r Climate Analysist Tool (clm). This is a development copy of clm, based on ESP-r release 11.6. Copyright 2001-2007 Energy Systems Research Unit. Build information: - SVN Source: trunk at r3860 (locally modified) - Platform: i686:Linux:2.6.27.9-mk - Compilers: gcc/g++/gfortran - Graphics Library: GTK - XML output: Unsupported Systems Research Unit, University of Strathclyde, Glasgow, Scotland. Using installed version of esprc file. Climate data: SAN_ANTONIO TX USA 29.5N 8.5W: 1981 DN In USA_TX_San.Antonio_TMY2.epw error reading (line 1) EOF sensed. Climate_conversion USA_TX_San.Antonio_TMY2.epw USA_TX_San.Antonio_TMY2" The file USA_TX_San.Antonio_TMY2 does get created, and I seem to be able to use it in esp-r - for example, I can display the dry bulb temperature and relative humidity in a graph. However, I am worried the "EOF" error in the above output somehow indicates a corrupted file USA_TX_San.Antonio_TMY2, possibly leading to wrong results. Any clue what that error is all about (I get this no matter whether LF or CRLF terminate the lines in the EPW file)? Secondly, the above EPW file has rather old data, and the longitude in it appears to be wrong. So, I found a bunch of newer TWY3 files, but they are in CSV format (722530TY.csv for San Antonio). However, I do not know how to turn a CSVfile into something usable by ESP-r. Any ideas? Thirdly, is there any reference manual that documents the command line options of the various modules, such as the ones above for clm? It was by pure chance that I happened across the above command. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks and Regards, Matt Koch, Ph.D., P.E. Science & Technology Consultants (SciTeX) www.scitex.us mattkoch at scitex.us (830)-446-1839 From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Feb 9 09:39:43 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 09:39:43 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: ... climate files ... In-Reply-To: <498F7E23.7080401@scitex.us> References: <498F7E23.7080401@scitex.us> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4131CF346B6A3@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A number of questions about climate files.... ::been looking into ESP-r for a number of years, decided to give it a real ::try now. First hurdle is climate file conversion. Found a bunch of EPW ::files for EnergyPlus, trying to convert them to ESP-r binary using the ::following command: ::clm -mode text -file USA_TX_San.Antonio_TMY2 -act epw2bin silent ::USA_TX_San.Antonio_TMY2.epw ::The file USA_TX_San.Antonio_TMY2 does get created, and I seem to be able ::to use it in esp-r - for example, I can display the dry bulb temperature ::and relative humidity in a graph. However, I am worried the "EOF" error ::in the above output somehow indicates a corrupted file ::USA_TX_San.Antonio_TMY2, possibly leading to wrong results. Any clue ::what that error is all about (I get this no matter whether LF or CRLF ::terminate the lines in the EPW file)? If you can graph the data the read was sucessful. The EOF is literally that the scanning got to the end of the file it was importing. ::Secondly, the above EPW file has rather old data, and the longitude in ::it appears to be wrong. So, I found a bunch of newer TWY3 files, but ::they are in CSV format (722530TY.csv for San Antonio). However, I do not ::know how to turn a CSVfile into something usable by ESP-r. Any ideas? We have not yet tried to scan the TWY3 files. But the Department of Energy did recently update a number of their EPW files with newer sources so it could be that the San Antonio file was not the newest one available. It should not be rocket-science to scan the TWY3 file, but it will take writing some code to do the conversion and some testing that the data read is correct. Perhaps someone in the ESP-r community will take this on as a project. ::Thirdly, is there any reference manual that documents the command line ::options of the various modules, such as the ones above for clm? It was ::by pure chance that I happened across the above command. Start any tool with the command option -help. E.g. clm -help _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From mattkoch at scitex.us Tue Feb 10 04:49:25 2009 From: mattkoch at scitex.us (Matt Koch) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:49:25 -0600 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Fwd: Re: ... climate files ... In-Reply-To: References: <4B55C0CF3DB1354A9524C7D455EE6D4901DDAF0F@HQGTNEVS-04.doe.local> Message-ID: <49910755.7020608@scitex.us> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090209/4b82ea9d/attachment.html From paul at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Feb 10 11:36:08 2009 From: paul at esru.strath.ac.uk (Paul Strachan) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:36:08 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r Introductory Course Message-ID: <499166A8.8090505@esru.strath.ac.uk> There will be a 2-day introductory course held at the University of Strathclyde on 26 and 27th February. Details at http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/training.htm Regards Paul From Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca Tue Feb 10 13:45:06 2009 From: Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca (Ferguson, Alex) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:45:06 -0500 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Fwd: Re: ... climate files ... In-Reply-To: <49910755.7020608@scitex.us> References: <4B55C0CF3DB1354A9524C7D455EE6D4901DDAF0F@HQGTNEVS-04.doe.local> <49910755.7020608@scitex.us> Message-ID: Hi Matt, ESP-r uses an unusual convention when expressing longitude; it measuers it east or west from the nearerst 15-degree meridian (that is,. 15W, 30W, or in your case, 90 W). - Alex Alex Ferguson Sustainable Buildings and Communities (Housing Group) CanmetENERGY Natural Resources Canada P:+1 613 995 3294 F:+1 613 996 9909 Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca ________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Matt Koch Sent: February 9, 2009 23:49 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Cc: Jon Hand (clcv10) Subject: [esp-r] Re: Fwd: Re: ... climate files ... Hi Everybody, thanks for the fast and comprehensive help! I found the TMY3 files, too, and they convert (except for the EOF "annoyance", but I guess that is no longer an issue). However, for example the San Antonio International Airport TMY3 EPW file has the proper longitude of -98.47 (- for W, I presume) in it, but after the clm epw2bin conversion in ESP-r, it is shown as 8.5 W, i.e. something like 90 - 98.47 rounded up. If I count from Greenwich, it should clearly be 98.47 W. What am I missing? Thanks and Regards, Matt Koch, Ph.D., P.E. Science & Technology Consultants (SciTeX) www.scitex.us mattkoch at scitex.us (830)-446-1839 Jon Hand (clcv10) wrote: Acording to Dru Crawley the EPW files are TMY3. -Jon Hand Begin forwarded message: From: "Crawley, Drury" Date: 9 February 2009 13:13:19 GMT To: Jon Hand Subject: RE: [esp-r] Re: ... climate files ... Jon, The TMY3 files are in EPW format on our web site. We left the TMY2 files since many people were still using them. Dru -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jon Hand Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 4:40 AM To: mattkoch at scitex.us; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: ... climate files ... A number of questions about climate files.... ::been looking into ESP-r for a number of years, decided to give it a real ::try now. First hurdle is climate file conversion. Found a bunch of EPW ::files for EnergyPlus, trying to convert them to ESP-r binary using the ::following command: ::clm -mode text -file USA_TX_San.Antonio_TMY2 -act epw2bin silent ::USA_TX_San.Antonio_TMY2.epw ::The file USA_TX_San.Antonio_TMY2 does get created, and I seem to be able ::to use it in esp-r - for example, I can display the dry bulb temperature ::and relative humidity in a graph. However, I am worried the "EOF" error ::in the above output somehow indicates a corrupted file ::USA_TX_San.Antonio_TMY2, possibly leading to wrong results. Any clue ::what that error is all about (I get this no matter whether LF or CRLF ::terminate the lines in the EPW file)? If you can graph the data the read was sucessful. The EOF is literally that the scanning got to the end of the file it was importing. ::Secondly, the above EPW file has rather old data, and the longitude in ::it appears to be wrong. So, I found a bunch of newer TWY3 files, but ::they are in CSV format (722530TY.csv for San Antonio). However, I do not ::know how to turn a CSVfile into something usable by ESP-r. Any ideas? We have not yet tried to scan the TWY3 files. But the Department of Energy did recently update a number of their EPW files with newer sources so it could be that the San Antonio file was not the newest one available. It should not be rocket-science to scan the TWY3 file, but it will take writing some code to do the conversion and some testing that the data read is correct. Perhaps someone in the ESP-r community will take this on as a project. ::Thirdly, is there any reference manual that documents the command line ::options of the various modules, such as the ones above for clm? It was ::by pure chance that I happened across the above command. Start any tool with the command option -help. E.g. clm -help _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Project Manager allows you to apply the BASESIMP boundary condition type through the attribution menu. This sets up the appropriate connections. However, Project Manager lacks the functionality to create and edit the associated text file that specifies the surrounding ground conditions. The user is left to create this file on their own using a text editor. The absence of this text file could result in the simulator producing numerical errors. You will see numerous examples of the BASESIMP text input files in ESP-r's "tester" directory. Search for files ending in ".bsm". This will give you guidance on setting up the file. - Ian From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Liam O'Brien Sent: February 7, 2009 18:26 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Psat01: small saturation vapour pressure Hello all, I have encountered the message: "Psat01: small saturation vapour pressure" upon running bps. The simulation begins but stops around the end of January. It seems to be connected to the use of BASESIMP, since I wasn't getting it from the same model before using BASESIMP as a boundary condition. Does anyone have any insight into this? Thanks. Liam O'Brien _____ How fun is this? IMing with Windows Live Messenger just got better. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Any one interested I can post the lead for download. Regards, David Tang Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions Owens Corning T: +86 21 6101 9587; F: +86 21 6101 9588; m: +86 13817249419 The information contained in this communication and its attachment(s) is intended only for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or exempt from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify postmaster at owenscorning.com and delete the communication without retaining any copies. Thank you. Translations available: http://www.owenscorning.com/emailfooter.html From David.Tang at owenscorning.com Tue Feb 17 02:13:49 2009 From: David.Tang at owenscorning.com (Tang, David) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:13:49 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Esp-r on USB References: <499981A9.2020809@rdarch.it> Message-ID: <8E334BEBBF31D54B9989B206FB4A6D0905253FE2@shos6101.ap.corp.owenscorning.com> All, Thanks for encouragement from many enthusiastic users. The download issue will be resolved in the next few days. Regards, David Tang Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions Owens Corning T: +86 21 6101 9587; F: +86 21 6101 9588; m: +86 13817249419 The information contained in this communication and its attachment(s) is intended only for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or exempt from disclosure. 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(seoul default weather data - You can't find it in energy.gov) Does somebody have any idea about this? When I convert the current weather db(ascii) to epw using the converter on the energyplus, I just got error message. Thank you for your answers in advance. Lewis Yook p.s. let me attach the weather file (ascii) for your reference -- Team Manager, Integrated Simulation Unit. Design and Simulation for Sustainability (DASS) consultants Ltd. 143-834 Venture Center 304-ho 632-9 Guui-dong Gwangjin-gu, Seoul, Korea T. 82.2.913.2585 F. 82.2.949.2585 H. www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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74,-10,193,10,270,57 26,-10,34,15,248,63 0,-20,0,5,270,64 0,-20,0,0,0,58 0,-30,0,0,0,73 0,-30,0,0,0,76 0,-40,0,5,180,71 0,-40,0,0,0,64 0,-40,0,0,0,61 * day 2 month 1 0,-50,0,0,0,65 0,-50,0,0,0,65 0,-60,0,5,158,70 0,-60,0,0,0,70 0,-60,0,0,0,87 0,-50,0,0,0,81 0,-40,0,10,68,78 0,-40,0,5,68,75 70,-30,344,0,0,76 98,-20,486,5,68,77 119,0,483,10,45,69 129,10,315,10,23,71 129,30,301,0,0,68 123,40,297,5,360,62 107,30,205,5,315,62 53,30,104,5,315,62 7,20,0,0,0,66 0,10,0,0,0,69 0,10,0,0,0,74 0,10,0,0,0,74 0,0,0,0,0,77 0,0,0,0,0,79 0,-10,0,10,45,77 0,-10,0,10,68,77 * day 3 month 1 0,-20,0,10,68,80 0,-20,0,15,45,80 0,-30,0,26,68,86 0,-30,0,26,68,83 0,-30,0,31,45,83 0,-40,0,31,68,82 0,-40,0,31,45,82 72,-30,110,41,45,76 70,-20,381,57,45,67 102,0,400,31,68,58 116,10,535,51,45,54 93,10,290,46,68,54 47,30,0,41,45,51 20,40,0,51,68,62 6,40,0,41,45,56 0,40,0,41,45,64 0,40,0,41,45,78 0,40,0,36,45,68 0,30,0,51,68,77 0,30,0,51,68,81 0,20,0,41,45,92 0,20,0,36,68,94 0,20,0,36,45,96 0,10,0,26,68,99 * day 4 month 1 0,10,0,41,45,99 0,10,0,21,45,99 0,0,0,21,45,99 0,0,0,0,0,99 0,0,0,0,0,99 0,0,0,0,0,99 0,10,0,0,0,99 0,20,0,10,270,99 0,20,0,0,0,99 57,30,90,26,293,96 119,40,301,15,293,93 130,50,385,5,293,85 129,50,437,26,315,78 119,60,554,51,293,78 104,70,397,51,293,66 60,60,109,51,293,73 13,50,0,21,293,70 0,40,0,26,270,70 0,20,0,15,270,76 0,10,0,15,293,81 0,0,0,15,270,82 0,0,0,15,270,79 0,-10,0,10,270,83 0,-10,0,21,293,77 * day 5 month 1 0,-10,0,10,248,77 0,-20,0,10,248,77 0,-20,0,10,270,77 0,-20,0,10,248,77 0,-30,0,10,248,73 0,-30,0,10,248,76 0,-40,0,0,0,82 27,-40,73,0,0,82 71,-30,122,5,293,73 101,-20,231,5,315,74 122,-10,305,5,315,74 129,10,261,0,0,69 128,10,231,10,225,67 122,20,219,10,315,66 108,20,219,15,360,66 59,20,122,5,315,66 12,20,0,10,248,71 0,0,0,10,203,74 0,0,0,15,225,79 0,-10,0,10,225,80 0,-10,0,10,225,80 0,-10,0,0,0,80 0,-20,0,0,0,80 0,-20,0,0,0,80 * day 6 month 1 0,-30,0,0,0,79 0,-30,0,5,270,79 0,-40,0,0,0,82 0,-40,0,0,0,82 0,-50,0,0,0,84 0,-50,0,10,90,84 0,-50,0,0,0,84 0,-40,0,0,0,89 53,-40,20,0,0,85 78,-30,47,0,0,92 114,-20,228,0,0,86 130,-10,419,15,90,88 130,20,450,15,158,71 124,20,359,21,158,69 80,20,152,21,113,64 21,20,0,31,203,64 0,10,0,51,225,86 0,0,0,26,225,93 0,0,0,21,203,95 0,-20,0,21,180,92 0,-20,0,26,225,89 0,-40,0,31,225,82 0,-40,0,31,225,82 0,-50,0,21,225,81 * day 7 month 1 0,-50,0,21,225,81 0,-50,0,21,225,81 0,-50,0,21,225,81 0,-60,0,10,203,83 0,-60,0,10,203,83 0,-70,0,0,0,85 0,-80,0,0,0,82 21,-80,34,0,0,82 60,-70,302,0,0,80 102,-50,434,0,0,81 122,-30,405,0,0,76 130,-30,450,0,0,69 131,-20,438,10,225,77 126,-10,350,5,225,71 110,10,245,10,180,64 72,10,115,15,248,64 23,-10,5,5,225,68 0,-20,0,21,248,67 0,-20,0,26,158,71 0,-30,0,26,158,79 0,-30,0,10,158,79 0,-30,0,0,0,76 0,-40,0,0,0,82 0,-40,0,0,0,82 * day 8 month 1 0,-40,0,0,0,85 0,-40,0,0,0,89 0,-40,0,21,23,82 0,-30,0,31,45,76 0,-30,0,21,45,76 0,-30,0,21,68,76 0,-30,0,26,45,79 0,-20,0,21,68,77 27,-10,0,21,68,74 34,-10,0,26,68,74 29,0,0,15,90,79 34,0,0,15,90,85 22,10,0,15,68,76 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130,-50,506,0,0,65 135,-30,408,0,0,59 126,-20,279,10,225,61 108,-20,142,15,203,61 65,-20,66,10,180,52 16,-20,0,5,180,49 0,-30,0,21,225,53 0,-30,0,10,248,59 0,-30,0,0,0,59 0,-40,0,0,0,61 0,-40,0,0,0,61 0,-50,0,0,0,73 0,-50,0,0,0,73 * day 18 month 1 0,-60,0,5,203,79 0,-60,0,10,90,83 0,-70,0,5,68,89 0,-70,0,21,90,89 0,-80,0,21,68,92 0,-80,0,21,68,92 0,-80,0,15,68,92 0,-70,0,15,23,89 59,-60,29,15,360,87 91,-50,366,15,360,81 115,-40,625,15,360,82 127,-30,587,21,293,76 133,-30,485,31,293,69 126,-30,287,36,293,63 109,-40,143,36,293,71 66,-50,65,31,270,81 16,-50,0,26,293,73 0,-70,0,10,270,67 0,-70,0,31,293,72 0,-80,0,31,293,72 0,-80,0,36,293,72 0,-80,0,36,270,68 0,-80,0,36,270,63 0,-90,0,36,270,73 * day 19 month 1 0,-90,0,26,248,68 0,-100,0,26,270,68 0,-100,0,21,270,68 0,-100,0,21,270,68 0,-100,0,31,248,68 0,-110,0,21,270,61 0,-110,0,21,225,61 34,-110,133,21,248,61 62,-100,594,15,293,62 73,-100,865,21,293,57 84,-90,929,21,293,52 94,-80,919,26,293,53 102,-60,861,36,293,58 102,-60,813,26,315,46 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116,-20,534,26,270,52 98,-20,307,26,270,55 52,-20,107,10,248,55 13,-40,0,10,248,53 0,-40,0,10,225,53 0,-40,0,0,0,57 0,-50,0,0,0,65 0,-50,0,0,0,69 0,-50,0,0,0,69 0,-60,0,0,0,70 * day 31 month 1 0,-60,0,0,0,75 0,-60,0,0,0,79 0,-70,0,0,0,76 0,-70,0,5,90,72 0,-70,0,10,90,67 0,-80,0,5,68,72 0,-80,0,10,68,72 31,-80,43,0,0,68 74,-70,66,0,0,72 104,-60,117,0,0,70 120,-40,151,0,0,68 133,-30,222,15,360,53 133,-20,217,15,225,49 114,-10,102,21,203,51 97,-10,48,10,225,51 66,0,24,5,225,53 30,-10,0,10,248,60 9,-20,0,5,315,67 0,-20,0,10,248,71 0,-20,0,10,203,67 0,-20,0,10,180,71 0,-20,0,21,180,77 0,-20,0,15,203,74 0,-30,0,15,203,66 * day 1 month 2 0,-40,0,0,0,64 0,-50,0,0,0,61 0,-50,0,0,0,58 0,-50,0,26,90,58 0,-50,0,0,0,58 0,-50,0,15,68,61 0,-50,0,31,90,58 20,-50,0,21,68,61 53,-40,8,36,68,61 86,-30,37,31,68,59 113,-20,115,31,68,64 114,0,105,0,0,66 112,10,84,0,0,59 127,20,206,0,0,64 122,20,264,0,0,60 98,30,171,0,0,58 58,30,88,0,0,60 19,20,26,15,270,57 0,10,0,26,248,62 0,10,0,0,0,54 0,0,0,0,0,56 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16,-10,59,26,360,48 0,-20,0,31,270,52 0,-30,0,26,270,66 0,-30,0,26,270,59 0,-40,0,21,270,43 0,-40,0,26,270,32 0,-50,0,15,270,31 * day 9 month 2 0,-70,0,15,225,31 0,-70,0,0,0,31 0,-70,0,0,0,22 0,-80,0,0,0,34 0,-80,0,0,0,34 0,-90,0,0,0,42 0,-90,0,0,0,47 35,-100,70,0,0,40 85,-70,247,0,0,40 115,-50,459,0,0,35 129,-20,564,0,0,37 135,-20,616,0,0,34 137,0,627,15,315,34 134,10,601,21,293,32 122,10,556,15,270,32 102,10,455,21,270,30 58,0,227,31,248,29 14,-10,8,36,248,34 0,-20,0,31,248,40 0,-30,0,36,248,53 0,-30,0,31,248,56 0,-40,0,0,0,64 0,-50,0,0,0,54 0,-60,0,31,315,58 * day 10 month 2 0,-70,0,31,338,54 0,-80,0,0,0,58 0,-80,0,0,0,53 0,-70,0,0,0,58 0,-80,0,0,0,58 0,-80,0,0,0,53 0,-80,0,0,0,58 37,-80,142,15,270,44 83,-60,388,0,0,50 108,-50,602,26,293,61 124,-40,643,41,293,68 134,-20,649,41,270,77 135,-10,655,31,360,80 131,-10,632,36,360,80 121,-10,586,36,293,74 101,-10,511,36,293,74 66,-10,378,36,248,71 17,-20,73,41,270,71 0,-30,0,36,270,69 0,-30,0,26,293,69 0,-40,0,0,0,68 0,-60,0,0,0,62 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0,-50,0,0,0,31 0,-50,0,0,0,31 0,-50,0,0,0,35 0,-60,0,0,0,37 0,-60,0,31,90,29 37,-70,62,0,0,31 87,-40,271,15,68,36 119,-20,437,0,0,37 134,0,512,21,68,37 140,40,583,0,0,38 142,50,576,51,225,41 140,60,449,41,248,43 129,60,292,51,225,40 107,60,198,51,225,45 65,60,87,62,225,50 17,50,22,62,225,65 0,50,0,41,225,67 0,40,0,41,203,68 0,30,0,46,225,68 0,30,0,51,225,66 0,30,0,41,225,60 0,30,0,41,225,64 * day 14 month 2 0,20,0,15,225,64 0,20,0,0,0,71 0,20,0,0,0,64 0,20,0,0,0,69 0,10,0,0,0,71 0,20,0,0,0,69 0,20,0,0,0,71 23,20,0,0,0,66 55,30,5,0,0,75 74,30,10,0,0,75 84,30,15,0,0,66 115,40,148,0,0,64 143,50,276,0,0,63 141,60,304,21,293,59 130,70,376,21,293,48 109,80,358,26,270,44 69,70,178,26,293,39 21,60,30,41,270,45 1,50,0,36,248,50 0,30,0,31,270,56 0,10,0,15,293,64 0,0,0,15,315,66 0,0,0,15,315,66 0,-10,0,0,0,68 * day 15 month 2 0,-10,0,15,293,66 0,-20,0,21,293,67 0,-20,0,26,315,67 0,-30,0,26,315,63 0,-40,0,21,315,68 0,-40,0,31,360,61 0,-50,0,31,360,58 40,-60,195,0,0,62 84,-40,493,21,293,64 108,-30,655,36,360,69 126,-10,666,36,360,43 135,-10,665,36,293,23 140,0,626,41,293,21 136,20,605,41,293,23 124,20,591,46,293,21 106,20,498,51,293,50 70,20,286,62,270,39 22,0,51,62,270,45 1,-10,0,41,270,43 0,-20,0,41,270,37 0,-30,0,36,293,36 0,-30,0,21,270,33 0,-40,0,21,293,36 0,-40,0,21,270,28 * day 16 month 2 0,-50,0,0,0,35 0,-50,0,0,0,35 0,-60,0,0,0,46 0,-60,0,0,0,46 0,-60,0,0,0,50 0,-60,0,0,0,33 0,-70,0,0,0,36 38,-70,117,0,0,27 85,-50,413,15,293,27 110,-30,625,0,0,26 128,-10,644,0,0,26 136,0,662,31,293,24 137,10,673,26,315,27 133,20,666,36,293,23 122,30,630,36,270,21 104,30,557,51,270,26 70,30,369,51,248,30 23,20,85,26,270,34 1,0,0,15,293,40 0,-10,0,15,270,48 0,-10,0,0,0,46 0,-30,0,26,360,59 0,-30,0,21,315,53 0,-50,0,0,0,27 * day 17 month 2 0,-50,0,0,0,31 0,-50,0,0,0,31 0,-50,0,0,0,31 0,-60,0,0,0,33 0,-60,0,0,0,29 0,-70,0,0,0,31 0,-70,0,0,0,27 42,-60,166,0,0,37 90,-40,408,0,0,36 115,-30,568,15,315,33 129,-20,634,15,360,37 141,-10,582,21,293,37 144,10,551,26,315,30 137,20,614,15,315,30 126,30,573,15,360,38 108,30,484,21,315,36 73,20,324,21,315,34 23,10,90,15,293,30 1,0,0,0,0,34 0,-20,0,0,0,31 0,-20,0,0,0,34 0,-30,0,0,0,33 0,-30,0,0,0,33 0,-30,0,0,0,33 * day 18 month 2 0,-30,0,36,90,36 0,-30,0,41,90,43 0,-30,0,36,90,43 0,-30,0,26,68,43 0,-30,0,46,90,46 0,-40,0,51,90,50 0,-40,0,51,90,50 43,-40,99,41,90,50 95,-30,191,51,90,53 121,-20,242,51,90,55 131,-10,205,51,68,60 141,-10,290,51,68,68 148,10,356,31,90,74 143,20,321,31,45,85 133,20,342,31,68,85 113,30,324,0,0,83 71,30,184,0,0,73 22,10,44,0,0,74 1,0,0,0,0,77 0,0,0,0,0,72 0,-10,0,0,0,74 0,-10,0,0,0,77 0,-20,0,0,0,74 0,-20,0,0,0,74 * day 19 month 2 0,-20,0,0,0,74 0,-20,0,0,0,74 0,-30,0,0,0,66 0,-30,0,0,0,66 0,-40,0,0,0,61 0,-40,0,0,0,57 0,-50,0,0,0,58 41,-50,36,0,0,61 91,-30,169,0,0,76 122,-20,392,0,0,49 136,0,528,0,0,40 144,20,564,15,293,32 145,30,561,26,248,36 142,50,549,46,270,30 130,40,513,51,270,38 112,40,428,36,225,44 76,30,256,46,248,81 24,10,70,36,270,79 1,0,0,31,270,69 0,-10,0,41,225,63 0,-10,0,26,225,74 0,-10,0,26,248,71 0,-10,0,31,225,74 0,-10,0,31,248,68 * day 20 month 2 0,-20,0,5,225,67 0,-30,0,21,248,79 0,-30,0,15,225,66 0,-40,0,36,248,85 0,-40,0,0,0,82 0,-40,0,31,225,68 0,-30,0,41,225,66 40,-30,42,36,270,76 91,-20,254,31,270,58 124,-20,412,41,315,52 140,-10,363,21,270,48 143,0,273,51,293,42 144,0,252,51,293,45 142,10,267,41,293,47 129,10,219,57,248,42 98,10,104,67,315,39 59,0,15,21,270,48 21,0,9,46,270,48 1,-10,0,46,293,43 0,-10,0,41,270,40 0,-20,0,41,270,43 0,-20,0,36,270,40 0,-30,0,31,270,40 0,-40,0,26,270,39 * day 21 month 2 0,-40,0,41,270,39 0,-40,0,31,270,36 0,-50,0,31,270,31 0,-50,0,26,293,35 0,-60,0,31,270,46 0,-60,0,36,270,46 0,-70,0,41,270,40 26,-60,1,36,293,37 81,-50,138,21,293,38 124,-40,334,21,293,39 135,-30,541,26,315,36 144,-30,530,31,293,43 149,-10,468,36,270,37 141,-10,378,31,270,31 130,0,240,46,270,29 112,0,387,51,270,34 72,-10,338,51,270,29 28,-20,72,51,270,40 3,-20,0,62,270,34 0,-40,0,51,270,28 0,-50,0,36,270,27 0,-60,0,26,293,37 0,-60,0,31,293,33 0,-60,0,21,293,29 * day 22 month 2 0,-70,0,21,270,31 0,-70,0,21,270,31 0,-70,0,15,270,36 0,-70,0,21,270,40 0,-70,0,15,293,40 0,-70,0,0,0,45 0,-70,0,0,0,45 44,-70,64,15,293,36 93,-60,299,31,315,41 121,-50,527,26,315,58 135,-30,598,36,293,59 142,-20,626,36,270,71 143,0,638,36,270,79 137,0,637,41,270,64 127,0,612,51,248,53 108,0,549,72,248,45 76,0,454,72,270,48 33,-20,163,51,248,49 9,-20,0,41,270,52 0,-30,0,31,270,53 0,-40,0,15,293,57 0,-40,0,0,0,61 0,-50,0,0,0,61 0,-60,0,0,0,58 * day 23 month 2 0,-70,0,0,0,58 0,-70,0,0,0,58 0,-80,0,0,0,53 0,-80,0,0,0,44 0,-90,0,0,0,37 0,-90,0,0,0,47 0,-80,0,0,0,39 48,-80,79,0,0,72 98,-60,261,36,90,62 126,-50,433,31,68,69 140,-30,504,36,68,36 148,0,533,0,0,29 150,20,497,31,225,41 141,20,320,36,225,41 116,20,121,41,225,41 98,20,74,46,203,34 66,40,53,46,225,50 21,20,3,51,225,66 1,20,0,41,203,64 0,10,0,31,203,64 0,10,0,41,203,71 0,10,0,51,203,76 0,10,0,36,203,67 0,10,0,51,203,69 * day 24 month 2 0,10,0,41,203,74 0,10,0,51,203,74 0,10,0,46,180,76 0,10,0,26,180,79 0,10,0,26,180,79 0,10,0,21,135,39 0,10,0,21,90,39 36,10,10,36,90,59 86,20,86,31,68,53 117,30,147,41,68,43 126,50,138,15,68,32 133,60,155,41,203,47 141,60,205,72,203,47 136,80,195,72,225,41 129,80,209,82,225,45 109,80,177,62,203,44 58,80,44,72,225,48 14,70,0,67,203,79 1,70,0,57,203,81 0,60,0,41,203,87 0,60,0,46,203,92 0,50,0,41,203,99 0,50,0,51,225,98 0,40,0,46,225,97 * day 25 month 2 0,40,0,31,248,97 0,30,0,46,225,98 0,30,0,51,225,94 0,30,0,46,225,96 0,20,0,41,225,99 0,20,0,21,293,87 0,10,0,26,270,81 44,0,30,31,293,77 92,0,286,31,293,77 124,10,507,36,293,79 138,10,566,41,293,59 143,20,625,36,315,46 143,20,655,31,293,39 137,30,666,41,293,32 126,20,645,36,293,30 109,20,564,36,293,32 79,20,383,41,293,30 31,0,133,41,270,34 5,-10,0,26,293,29 0,-20,0,21,293,18 0,-30,0,21,360,17 0,-40,0,15,225,18 0,-40,0,21,248,28 0,-50,0,15,338,23 * day 26 month 2 0,-60,0,15,360,21 0,-60,0,15,360,21 0,-70,0,0,0,27 0,-70,0,0,0,31 0,-70,0,0,0,27 0,-70,0,0,0,31 0,-70,0,0,0,36 49,-60,72,15,90,46 99,-50,269,41,68,46 128,-30,435,41,90,53 142,-10,485,21,68,51 150,20,484,0,0,50 152,30,485,0,0,51 140,40,335,0,0,46 112,40,98,21,270,46 77,30,20,31,225,47 50,30,2,41,225,45 27,20,1,26,225,39 8,20,0,26,270,39 0,10,0,21,248,39 0,10,0,26,248,42 0,0,0,0,0,45 0,-10,0,0,0,46 0,-10,0,15,293,46 * day 27 month 2 0,-10,0,0,0,48 0,-10,0,0,0,48 0,-20,0,0,0,46 0,-20,0,0,0,46 0,-30,0,0,0,50 0,-40,0,0,0,50 0,-40,0,0,0,46 53,-30,100,0,0,50 101,-10,287,15,293,60 128,0,444,15,293,61 141,20,525,0,0,64 147,30,580,41,360,73 148,40,606,41,360,60 142,50,612,46,360,35 131,50,578,51,248,35 114,40,486,62,248,44 84,40,313,51,270,48 31,30,123,51,270,41 3,20,0,41,270,57 0,0,0,36,270,58 0,-10,0,31,293,68 0,-20,0,31,293,74 0,-30,0,0,0,66 0,-40,0,0,0,61 * day 28 month 2 0,-40,0,0,0,61 0,-40,0,0,0,53 0,-40,0,0,0,61 0,-40,0,0,0,64 0,-40,0,0,0,61 0,-50,0,26,135,31 0,-50,0,0,0,31 55,-40,81,26,90,28 93,-40,90,31,90,28 104,-20,64,41,68,55 123,-10,128,31,68,51 126,20,123,0,0,53 122,20,99,26,180,53 114,30,84,21,180,47 88,20,22,21,68,50 64,20,8,26,90,55 29,10,0,51,90,59 6,10,0,51,90,69 0,0,0,46,90,66 0,0,0,46,90,66 0,0,0,46,45,66 0,0,0,31,45,61 0,0,0,0,0,66 0,0,0,21,360,72 * day 1 month 3 0,0,0,0,0,79 0,0,0,0,0,85 0,0,0,15,68,74 0,0,0,10,113,74 0,10,0,15,90,64 0,10,0,21,90,64 0,20,0,15,90,62 57,20,60,31,90,66 86,30,47,21,68,53 102,40,59,31,68,50 121,50,110,10,90,52 128,70,120,5,90,45 123,80,97,21,90,42 108,90,64,26,90,41 62,90,10,36,90,47 16,80,0,31,68,59 0,70,0,41,113,71 0,60,0,21,113,83 0,50,0,62,113,91 0,50,0,36,68,91 0,40,0,72,68,93 0,40,0,72,68,93 0,40,0,62,68,93 0,30,0,82,68,96 * day 2 month 3 0,30,0,62,68,99 0,20,0,62,68,99 0,20,0,82,68,99 0,20,0,62,68,99 0,30,0,72,68,98 0,30,0,72,90,99 0,40,0,72,68,97 22,40,0,62,90,99 34,40,0,41,68,99 34,40,0,51,68,99 40,50,0,41,90,93 44,50,0,51,68,95 43,50,0,57,68,95 34,50,0,21,90,95 12,50,0,0,0,95 1,50,0,0,0,87 0,50,0,26,225,83 0,40,0,15,248,90 0,40,0,26,248,90 0,30,0,41,270,92 0,30,0,15,270,92 0,20,0,21,270,99 0,10,0,21,248,99 0,10,0,15,270,99 * day 3 month 3 0,10,0,21,338,99 0,20,0,15,338,92 0,10,0,10,248,96 0,0,0,0,0,98 0,0,0,21,270,98 0,10,0,0,0,96 28,10,38,0,0,94 65,20,154,0,0,92 105,30,197,0,0,92 129,30,262,26,225,85 138,40,235,26,225,78 145,50,252,31,248,83 148,50,266,31,270,80 145,70,345,10,360,69 137,80,374,21,293,65 109,80,166,15,315,65 48,70,30,31,270,76 2,60,0,15,248,71 0,60,0,41,225,71 0,40,0,41,225,84 0,40,0,26,203,84 0,30,0,15,203,85 0,30,0,15,225,85 0,20,0,0,0,87 * day 4 month 3 0,20,0,0,0,89 0,20,0,0,0,83 0,10,0,0,0,86 0,0,0,0,0,90 0,0,0,0,0,79 0,-10,0,0,0,83 16,-10,45,0,0,80 58,-10,459,0,0,80 84,0,737,15,293,74 105,0,807,31,315,74 120,10,816,15,293,69 127,20,830,15,293,66 135,30,776,31,293,66 140,40,665,51,293,62 136,50,501,36,360,61 116,40,266,41,293,56 57,40,65,5,360,50 7,30,0,15,293,53 0,20,0,26,360,55 0,10,0,10,315,57 0,0,0,21,293,61 0,0,0,21,293,72 0,-10,0,0,0,71 0,-10,0,0,0,71 * day 5 month 3 0,-10,0,0,0,71 0,-10,0,0,0,71 0,-20,0,0,0,77 0,-20,0,0,0,77 0,-20,0,0,0,74 0,-30,0,0,0,73 17,-30,52,0,0,73 60,-20,458,0,0,80 85,-10,733,0,0,68 97,0,877,21,45,61 112,10,877,21,45,54 127,30,826,10,23,51 140,50,736,5,360,33 143,60,625,26,45,31 138,60,476,10,23,45 117,50,263,31,68,50 57,40,70,51,90,56 7,40,0,72,135,54 0,30,0,57,113,56 0,20,0,51,90,78 0,20,0,41,90,83 0,20,0,36,68,85 0,20,0,46,68,85 0,20,0,26,90,87 * day 6 month 3 0,20,0,0,0,87 0,10,0,0,0,86 0,10,0,0,0,86 0,0,0,0,0,93 0,0,0,0,0,93 0,-10,0,0,0,94 17,-10,51,0,0,91 64,-10,322,0,0,91 99,10,563,0,0,79 114,20,727,0,0,73 122,30,801,0,0,60 133,50,784,26,270,56 143,70,700,10,293,47 145,70,602,21,270,48 138,80,458,31,270,35 116,80,243,51,248,42 57,70,63,36,248,50 7,60,0,57,225,61 0,40,0,36,248,68 0,40,0,36,225,70 0,30,0,26,203,75 0,30,0,21,203,70 0,20,0,15,225,78 0,20,0,26,203,80 * day 7 month 3 0,20,0,41,225,76 0,20,0,41,270,64 0,20,0,26,248,64 0,10,0,31,248,62 0,0,0,0,0,64 0,0,0,26,270,64 21,0,69,21,270,64 60,0,501,36,293,61 85,10,762,21,315,54 106,20,818,21,338,50 135,40,683,26,360,42 152,40,526,21,293,38 155,50,404,31,293,32 151,50,357,31,293,33 137,60,285,31,315,31 114,50,150,41,315,41 57,50,62,21,293,35 7,40,0,31,270,40 0,30,0,51,23,41 0,20,0,41,68,50 0,10,0,31,45,54 0,10,0,26,68,52 0,0,0,41,68,56 0,0,0,31,68,53 * day 8 month 3 0,0,0,26,45,50 0,-10,0,10,45,51 0,-20,0,36,68,55 0,-20,0,0,0,55 0,-20,0,0,0,61 0,-20,0,21,68,58 23,-30,78,46,90,63 62,-20,512,31,68,64 88,-10,729,31,90,57 117,0,711,21,90,56 138,10,657,51,68,47 150,30,587,31,45,45 156,40,462,26,45,40 152,50,423,36,45,35 135,60,291,15,23,26 109,60,110,21,225,38 55,60,43,0,0,40 7,50,0,10,270,50 0,40,0,26,293,48 0,30,0,0,0,56 0,20,0,0,0,62 0,10,0,0,0,67 0,10,0,0,0,67 0,0,0,0,0,72 * day 9 month 3 0,0,0,0,0,69 0,-10,0,0,0,74 0,-10,0,0,0,71 0,-10,0,0,0,71 0,0,0,0,0,72 0,10,0,0,0,64 21,10,55,0,0,62 73,20,177,0,0,60 112,30,271,10,68,53 135,50,327,5,68,52 148,60,377,5,68,48 135,70,242,0,0,47 108,80,38,0,0,50 102,80,42,21,225,50 102,90,47,0,0,54 73,90,15,0,0,54 28,80,0,0,0,59 1,80,0,5,293,65 0,70,0,0,0,65 0,70,0,15,203,60 0,60,0,31,203,61 0,50,0,21,203,74 0,40,0,0,0,90 0,40,0,0,0,90 * day 10 month 3 0,30,0,0,0,96 0,20,0,0,0,99 0,20,0,0,0,99 0,20,0,0,0,99 0,20,0,0,0,99 0,30,0,0,0,96 23,30,99,0,0,98 74,40,314,0,0,93 113,40,364,0,0,88 128,50,557,0,0,80 140,60,654,10,315,78 152,70,588,15,203,69 156,90,535,26,203,52 152,90,477,36,68,52 135,100,288,31,225,47 109,90,105,31,270,52 49,80,42,26,248,62 1,70,0,31,270,61 0,60,0,36,225,61 0,50,0,21,225,78 0,50,0,10,225,76 0,40,0,0,0,82 0,40,0,0,0,88 0,40,0,21,315,88 * day 11 month 3 0,40,0,5,225,90 0,40,0,0,0,91 0,40,0,0,0,86 0,40,0,0,0,86 0,40,0,0,0,86 0,30,0,0,0,88 22,30,40,0,0,88 73,30,181,0,0,81 105,40,483,0,0,78 123,50,665,26,90,72 140,70,658,10,68,55 151,80,608,0,0,62 156,100,483,0,0,61 154,110,395,15,225,64 141,120,330,36,248,60 110,120,156,26,225,55 50,110,24,31,248,65 6,90,0,46,225,69 0,70,0,5,315,82 0,60,0,0,0,83 0,60,0,0,0,83 0,60,0,0,0,83 0,50,0,0,0,83 0,50,0,0,0,83 * day 12 month 3 0,50,0,0,0,85 0,50,0,0,0,85 0,20,0,0,0,92 0,20,0,0,0,94 0,20,0,0,0,96 0,10,0,0,0,99 31,10,120,0,0,99 77,20,335,0,0,96 113,40,252,0,0,84 129,60,194,10,90,71 144,70,281,0,0,74 155,80,347,0,0,71 152,110,280,0,0,63 145,120,234,0,0,61 128,130,165,0,0,44 92,130,52,15,293,44 42,120,5,15,270,42 7,110,0,10,270,46 0,100,0,0,0,47 0,90,0,0,0,44 0,80,0,0,0,47 0,70,0,41,68,58 0,50,0,62,45,61 0,40,0,51,45,62 * day 13 month 3 0,40,0,41,45,64 0,40,0,31,68,66 0,40,0,46,68,64 0,30,0,26,68,70 0,20,0,41,90,73 0,10,0,36,68,91 0,0,0,41,90,98 6,0,0,51,68,98 9,0,0,36,45,98 22,10,0,51,45,91 35,10,0,72,45,86 33,20,0,72,45,80 30,20,0,62,45,78 50,30,0,41,45,75 72,30,5,51,45,75 63,40,6,41,45,74 26,30,0,26,45,75 1,30,0,41,23,79 0,20,0,31,360,78 0,20,0,31,360,78 0,10,0,51,360,74 0,10,0,26,360,69 0,0,0,0,0,74 0,-10,0,0,0,80 * day 14 month 3 0,-10,0,0,0,77 0,-10,0,0,0,77 0,-20,0,0,0,83 0,-20,0,0,0,83 0,-30,0,0,0,83 0,-30,0,0,0,86 28,-40,142,0,0,85 70,-20,508,0,0,80 104,0,626,0,0,77 122,10,698,0,0,74 140,20,673,10,248,64 156,30,511,21,225,53 158,50,427,31,225,56 155,50,441,51,203,56 144,50,412,51,225,52 122,50,266,62,248,52 64,50,81,51,248,50 12,40,0,31,248,52 0,30,0,26,225,60 0,20,0,5,225,64 0,20,0,5,203,69 0,20,0,10,203,69 0,20,0,0,0,69 0,10,0,0,0,74 * day 15 month 3 0,10,0,0,0,79 0,10,0,0,0,79 0,0,0,0,0,82 0,0,0,0,0,82 0,0,0,0,0,82 0,0,0,0,0,82 33,0,121,0,0,82 81,0,226,31,45,85 116,10,293,0,0,79 138,30,384,10,68,75 150,50,477,21,68,63 157,50,504,26,45,65 159,60,472,21,68,59 154,80,416,0,0,56 135,90,236,10,225,48 95,90,67,10,225,49 42,90,5,5,270,45 6,80,0,10,360,56 0,70,0,0,0,60 0,60,0,0,0,67 0,60,0,0,0,67 0,60,0,0,0,67 0,60,0,0,0,61 0,60,0,0,0,61 * day 16 month 3 0,40,0,31,68,68 0,30,0,21,45,68 0,30,0,0,0,73 0,20,0,21,90,69 0,20,0,21,90,69 0,20,0,10,90,64 30,20,163,21,90,66 71,30,556,21,90,60 100,50,683,26,90,56 119,70,750,26,90,52 129,100,791,21,68,46 145,110,690,36,90,41 158,110,529,72,203,39 155,120,450,31,225,37 136,120,272,51,180,46 86,120,64,51,225,46 27,120,0,41,225,53 0,110,0,21,225,63 0,100,0,26,270,87 0,60,0,21,225,88 0,60,0,31,180,90 0,50,0,46,225,93 0,50,0,31,225,93 0,40,0,62,225,86 * day 17 month 3 0,30,0,62,225,83 0,20,0,77,225,73 0,20,0,36,225,78 0,20,0,31,180,78 0,10,0,10,360,91 0,10,0,0,0,91 0,10,0,0,0,91 0,10,0,10,248,91 29,10,0,10,270,94 79,10,40,31,248,94 115,20,69,51,270,78 133,20,148,41,270,78 149,20,227,36,270,69 144,30,208,51,293,79 135,30,192,31,270,77 116,40,142,21,293,72 92,40,106,41,270,64 51,30,94,51,270,51 14,20,0,62,270,55 0,10,0,41,270,54 0,10,0,41,248,54 0,0,0,41,248,61 0,0,0,41,270,64 0,0,0,31,270,64 * day 18 month 3 0,0,0,26,248,61 0,0,0,15,270,61 0,0,0,15,225,58 0,0,0,21,248,61 0,0,0,0,0,56 0,-10,0,0,0,48 36,-10,184,0,0,46 71,0,583,0,0,66 99,20,718,0,0,48 117,30,766,26,293,51 133,50,773,31,270,39 143,60,744,21,360,57 148,70,708,41,248,55 148,90,640,41,248,55 143,80,507,51,270,62 127,80,335,51,293,56 86,80,140,41,225,53 29,70,7,51,225,60 0,60,0,51,203,66 0,50,0,41,203,67 0,50,0,31,203,70 0,50,0,21,180,70 0,40,0,0,0,76 0,40,0,0,0,76 * day 19 month 3 0,40,0,0,0,76 0,30,0,0,0,77 0,30,0,0,0,81 0,20,0,0,0,87 0,20,0,0,0,85 0,10,0,0,0,96 34,10,194,0,0,89 74,20,556,31,68,85 107,40,641,10,68,80 123,50,718,26,68,70 137,70,737,10,45,63 151,90,659,10,45,55 158,110,540,21,68,48 156,130,468,41,180,36 145,130,412,62,180,29 124,130,257,57,203,29 70,130,83,41,225,31 15,120,0,15,225,36 0,110,0,0,0,42 0,100,0,0,0,45 0,100,0,0,0,43 0,90,0,0,0,52 0,80,0,0,0,50 0,80,0,0,0,53 * day 20 month 3 0,60,0,0,0,59 0,60,0,0,0,59 0,50,0,0,0,69 0,50,0,26,90,61 0,50,0,51,90,58 0,50,0,41,90,58 8,50,0,21,68,58 45,50,12,41,68,65 87,60,30,21,90,61 94,70,30,15,90,63 116,80,95,36,90,63 145,80,206,31,90,63 131,90,148,21,90,63 104,100,30,36,68,67 90,120,20,46,90,68 81,120,16,5,360,62 45,130,6,0,0,65 8,120,0,0,0,68 0,110,0,0,0,70 0,100,0,0,0,79 0,100,0,0,0,79 0,100,0,0,0,80 0,100,0,0,0,80 0,90,0,0,0,85 * day 21 month 3 0,80,0,10,315,84 0,80,0,0,0,84 0,70,0,0,0,87 0,70,0,0,0,89 0,60,0,0,0,90 0,70,0,0,0,87 36,70,183,0,0,86 78,70,500,0,0,84 107,90,657,0,0,75 127,110,699,0,0,71 144,130,664,5,90,67 152,140,656,5,293,63 154,160,656,5,338,56 152,170,514,15,315,55 143,180,306,10,293,48 115,170,147,10,360,48 58,170,36,5,360,48 9,170,0,21,293,51 0,150,0,0,0,63 0,140,0,0,0,69 0,120,0,0,0,70 0,120,0,0,0,70 0,110,0,0,0,74 0,110,0,0,0,78 * day 22 month 3 0,100,0,0,0,78 0,100,0,0,0,83 0,90,0,0,0,80 0,80,0,0,0,83 0,80,0,0,0,83 0,80,0,0,0,83 36,80,3,0,0,83 76,80,121,0,0,83 121,90,274,0,0,70 142,110,399,0,0,63 148,130,588,0,0,59 150,150,686,0,0,51 156,160,627,41,338,48 155,170,545,21,293,49 144,180,393,21,315,41 124,180,215,15,270,42 67,180,79,10,270,33 13,170,0,36,360,33 0,160,0,21,360,44 0,150,0,0,0,35 0,140,0,0,0,48 0,130,0,0,0,53 0,120,0,0,0,57 0,110,0,0,0,63 * day 23 month 3 0,100,0,0,0,74 0,90,0,0,0,78 0,90,0,0,0,87 0,80,0,0,0,93 0,80,0,26,45,93 0,80,0,51,45,95 34,90,16,31,68,82 66,90,14,41,45,85 85,100,24,72,45,79 81,100,15,72,45,82 88,100,7,129,68,82 102,110,0,134,45,65 69,120,0,82,45,63 64,120,0,93,45,62 57,110,0,103,68,64 26,100,0,82,68,70 8,90,0,72,68,73 1,80,0,51,45,83 0,70,0,67,45,82 0,60,0,51,45,87 0,50,0,62,45,89 0,50,0,93,68,85 0,40,0,51,45,91 0,40,0,0,0,97 * day 24 month 3 0,40,0,51,68,97 0,40,0,62,68,91 0,40,0,41,45,86 0,50,0,15,45,72 0,50,0,0,0,74 0,60,0,15,90,67 42,60,164,72,68,67 86,70,392,10,68,65 115,80,578,82,68,41 121,90,751,82,90,37 124,100,855,82,68,36 135,100,832,51,68,41 143,110,769,41,45,41 148,130,670,41,90,55 144,130,535,26,45,52 126,140,308,21,90,36 66,130,80,10,90,38 12,130,0,21,90,36 0,120,0,10,90,38 0,110,0,15,68,43 0,100,0,51,90,42 0,100,0,36,90,45 0,90,0,31,68,47 0,80,0,21,45,54 * day 25 month 3 0,80,0,21,68,62 0,70,0,15,90,63 0,60,0,15,68,54 0,60,0,31,90,57 0,50,0,41,90,56 0,50,0,21,68,59 41,40,209,26,68,66 79,60,554,62,45,57 107,70,701,41,68,48 127,80,722,41,68,47 141,100,730,31,45,49 154,120,655,21,203,45 155,130,647,10,203,43 149,130,654,10,315,48 144,130,486,21,248,51 127,130,264,31,270,49 76,130,88,31,248,46 20,110,0,41,270,62 0,90,0,46,225,69 0,90,0,15,225,66 0,80,0,0,0,71 0,80,0,0,0,71 0,70,0,0,0,73 0,70,0,0,0,73 * day 26 month 3 0,70,0,0,0,76 0,70,0,0,0,78 0,60,0,0,0,81 0,60,0,0,0,81 0,50,0,0,0,82 0,50,0,0,0,78 45,50,163,0,0,78 92,60,321,15,68,74 119,80,523,26,68,66 140,90,559,36,45,62 150,110,594,15,113,53 154,120,476,15,45,53 159,130,348,41,315,49 158,150,409,41,203,38 136,140,257,51,225,50 112,130,93,72,225,53 65,130,45,51,225,54 14,110,0,31,293,70 0,90,0,15,270,65 0,90,0,21,248,62 0,80,0,0,0,56 0,80,0,0,0,56 0,80,0,0,0,60 0,80,0,0,0,60 * day 27 month 3 0,80,0,0,0,54 0,80,0,0,0,60 0,60,0,0,0,78 0,60,0,0,0,73 0,70,0,0,0,71 0,70,0,0,0,71 45,70,98,0,0,71 93,70,238,0,0,69 126,90,336,0,0,72 144,100,355,0,0,65 156,100,423,0,0,69 158,110,572,5,360,60 157,120,633,21,338,50 156,140,521,15,315,47 145,140,345,31,270,45 124,140,193,41,270,43 74,120,76,21,270,46 20,130,0,31,270,41 0,110,0,36,270,39 0,100,0,0,0,41 0,90,0,0,0,48 0,80,0,0,0,53 0,80,0,0,0,53 0,70,0,0,0,60 * day 28 month 3 0,60,0,0,0,66 0,60,0,0,0,71 0,50,0,0,0,72 0,50,0,0,0,72 0,50,0,0,0,72 0,50,0,0,0,70 47,40,204,0,0,70 81,50,527,0,0,67 107,70,719,10,68,63 134,100,663,10,68,54 148,120,656,15,90,45 154,140,676,15,45,36 158,160,620,21,90,27 156,170,555,0,0,33 148,160,476,15,338,35 130,170,324,26,315,32 83,170,117,26,293,31 24,160,1,21,293,35 0,130,0,26,338,49 0,120,0,0,0,54 0,110,0,0,0,58 0,100,0,0,0,61 0,100,0,0,0,62 0,90,0,0,0,65 * day 29 month 3 0,90,0,0,0,66 0,90,0,0,0,66 0,90,0,0,0,52 0,80,0,0,0,50 0,70,0,0,0,68 0,70,0,0,0,63 50,70,215,15,68,60 94,80,366,0,0,57 120,90,538,21,45,51 129,100,706,26,90,45 138,130,762,15,90,43 154,150,651,51,68,26 163,160,491,41,68,24 159,170,443,51,23,32 149,180,434,21,270,31 127,170,281,21,360,30 79,180,79,0,0,27 23,170,0,5,315,33 0,150,0,15,248,40 0,130,0,15,248,48 0,130,0,0,0,51 0,120,0,41,68,36 0,120,0,0,0,33 0,110,0,0,0,33 * day 30 month 3 0,110,0,0,0,31 0,100,0,0,0,40 0,90,0,0,0,41 0,90,0,0,0,41 0,80,0,0,0,47 0,70,0,0,0,58 47,70,159,0,0,55 80,80,523,41,68,42 97,90,828,62,68,38 112,120,861,41,45,30 127,130,851,62,68,27 141,150,802,46,45,26 149,150,727,31,45,29 155,170,594,41,23,25 148,180,483,21,68,25 130,180,331,21,90,24 83,180,119,36,68,23 23,170,0,21,113,22 0,150,0,21,248,50 0,140,0,10,248,54 0,120,0,0,0,46 0,120,0,0,0,46 0,110,0,0,0,48 0,120,0,21,180,36 * day 31 month 3 0,120,0,0,0,36 0,110,0,0,0,37 0,90,0,0,0,45 0,90,0,0,0,49 0,80,0,0,0,44 0,80,0,0,0,44 53,70,197,0,0,52 98,80,309,0,0,57 128,90,368,0,0,42 147,100,397,31,90,38 158,110,426,41,45,32 162,120,386,72,90,28 160,140,475,41,45,23 156,150,477,51,45,24 143,160,265,31,90,20 113,160,119,57,68,17 57,160,24,21,45,23 9,150,0,0,0,24 0,140,0,26,203,32 0,120,0,0,0,38 0,100,0,0,0,54 0,100,0,0,0,55 0,100,0,0,0,55 0,100,0,0,0,55 * day 1 month 4 0,90,0,15,225,59 0,90,0,0,0,62 0,85,0,10,225,66 0,80,0,5,225,71 0,70,0,5,248,78 0,60,0,0,0,81 0,60,0,10,225,81 0,60,0,10,225,88 86,70,24,15,225,86 71,80,16,21,225,80 74,80,16,21,225,83 69,90,8,21,225,79 35,100,0,46,225,74 64,110,0,36,248,60 41,110,0,41,270,64 0,110,0,31,225,60 0,100,0,41,270,70 0,100,0,36,270,66 0,90,0,31,270,78 0,80,0,10,225,86 0,80,0,15,225,84 0,70,0,31,225,92 0,70,0,31,225,82 0,60,0,15,270,87 * day 2 month 4 0,50,0,21,293,87 0,50,0,0,0,85 0,40,0,15,338,86 0,40,0,0,0,86 0,30,0,10,293,88 0,30,0,0,0,88 41,30,306,5,293,88 90,50,492,31,338,76 112,60,145,26,338,71 126,70,336,21,338,68 150,90,654,26,315,61 156,90,659,26,315,52 152,120,694,26,270,48 142,130,755,31,315,42 134,120,732,46,270,48 119,110,673,51,248,54 99,100,531,72,225,55 49,90,276,62,225,63 12,90,0,51,203,62 0,80,0,41,225,66 0,70,0,36,248,65 0,60,0,15,270,66 0,50,0,15,270,65 0,40,0,5,293,70 * day 3 month 4 0,40,0,0,0,64 0,30,0,10,225,68 0,30,0,10,225,70 0,30,0,0,0,73 0,30,0,0,0,77 0,30,0,0,0,79 0,30,0,0,0,83 0,40,0,0,0,84 119,50,206,5,180,83 143,70,475,10,225,74 156,80,556,21,203,86 163,90,423,41,225,62 156,100,280,36,225,62 142,100,174,41,225,58 135,100,178,31,248,58 123,90,172,36,248,65 72,90,62,31,248,63 17,90,0,26,225,61 0,90,0,31,203,63 0,80,0,31,225,69 0,80,0,21,225,83 0,60,0,21,225,83 0,60,0,21,225,83 0,60,0,10,225,85 * day 4 month 4 0,60,0,5,248,87 0,60,0,0,0,87 0,50,0,0,0,87 0,50,0,10,225,85 0,50,0,0,0,87 0,50,0,0,0,85 0,50,0,0,0,91 80,50,116,10,248,89 126,60,216,15,225,85 143,70,393,10,225,79 154,100,612,10,225,72 159,100,607,10,270,65 159,130,609,21,270,54 152,150,655,5,270,50 145,150,597,10,270,50 130,150,520,21,225,51 102,150,311,21,270,62 42,140,65,31,248,57 0,130,0,26,248,54 0,120,0,10,270,58 0,110,0,10,248,57 0,100,0,0,0,61 0,90,0,10,225,68 0,90,0,0,0,72 * day 5 month 4 0,90,0,0,0,75 0,90,0,0,0,80 0,80,0,0,0,86 0,80,0,0,0,86 0,80,0,0,0,86 0,70,0,0,0,87 0,70,0,0,0,92 0,70,0,0,0,92 65,80,17,10,248,78 107,90,55,10,248,79 106,100,37,10,248,71 116,100,0,15,270,70 128,100,0,31,225,70 105,100,0,21,225,70 58,100,0,31,225,69 17,100,0,51,225,72 6,100,0,51,225,72 0,90,0,36,203,78 0,90,0,21,225,78 0,80,0,31,225,83 0,80,0,15,225,87 0,70,0,0,0,95 0,70,0,10,248,94 0,70,0,10,225,92 * day 6 month 4 0,70,0,21,180,89 0,70,0,21,225,89 0,60,0,21,225,88 0,60,0,31,203,88 0,50,0,10,360,89 0,50,0,0,0,89 0,50,0,15,203,91 80,60,100,10,360,85 128,80,335,0,0,77 148,100,502,5,225,70 156,110,572,10,225,60 158,130,650,21,225,54 158,150,654,21,225,55 154,160,642,41,225,53 143,150,627,51,225,46 130,150,521,46,225,48 107,140,335,51,225,50 44,120,124,41,225,65 0,110,0,41,225,71 0,100,0,36,225,75 0,90,0,26,225,78 0,90,0,21,225,78 0,80,0,15,225,80 0,80,0,5,225,83 * day 7 month 4 0,70,0,5,225,87 0,70,0,0,0,89 0,70,0,0,0,92 0,60,0,0,0,92 0,70,0,0,0,86 0,60,0,21,68,88 0,60,0,10,90,90 87,80,208,15,90,83 131,100,434,0,0,75 147,130,542,10,68,65 155,150,616,10,45,57 158,170,655,41,68,44 156,200,688,15,45,44 152,220,652,10,225,40 149,220,522,26,248,39 135,210,399,31,270,45 107,210,245,21,293,47 49,210,80,15,293,49 6,190,0,26,248,48 0,180,0,5,293,51 0,170,0,5,203,60 0,160,0,0,0,59 0,150,0,0,0,65 0,150,0,15,90,65 * day 8 month 4 0,150,0,0,0,66 0,130,0,15,90,65 0,130,0,15,90,67 0,130,0,15,68,67 0,130,0,5,90,67 0,120,0,10,90,67 0,120,0,15,90,66 87,140,150,31,90,64 130,150,381,31,90,57 147,160,547,31,68,53 156,180,598,26,68,47 163,200,585,51,90,37 164,220,568,31,68,34 160,230,511,36,45,33 149,230,369,41,68,42 126,220,192,21,225,46 72,220,58,10,203,49 17,210,0,0,0,45 0,210,0,15,180,46 0,190,0,0,0,46 0,190,0,0,0,46 0,190,0,0,0,49 0,170,0,5,248,48 0,170,0,0,0,49 * day 9 month 4 0,160,0,0,0,50 0,150,0,5,248,55 0,150,0,0,0,60 0,140,0,0,0,63 0,150,0,5,45,59 0,140,0,21,68,61 0,140,0,10,90,66 102,150,357,15,90,64 131,150,478,21,90,57 148,180,507,31,90,41 157,190,570,36,90,35 162,210,449,31,68,34 154,210,248,21,90,31 133,210,130,26,90,31 110,210,57,21,135,31 69,190,21,26,180,32 17,190,0,21,158,42 0,180,0,21,315,56 0,150,0,21,315,67 0,120,0,15,315,70 0,130,0,5,360,73 0,120,0,0,0,83 0,120,0,0,0,85 0,120,0,0,0,88 * day 10 month 4 0,110,0,10,315,91 0,110,0,0,0,95 0,110,0,15,293,96 0,110,0,21,315,96 0,100,0,5,293,95 0,100,0,5,293,95 0,100,0,15,315,91 93,110,176,10,293,85 133,120,397,10,293,83 148,130,530,15,360,84 158,150,554,10,338,73 165,150,481,10,270,69 151,170,284,31,270,66 147,160,337,51,225,71 150,170,507,41,248,67 134,160,357,51,225,66 109,150,219,51,225,66 51,130,115,41,225,76 6,110,0,41,203,85 0,90,0,31,225,87 0,90,0,26,225,90 0,80,0,31,225,93 0,80,0,36,225,95 0,60,0,41,225,97 * day 11 month 4 0,60,0,15,225,97 0,60,0,26,225,97 0,60,0,10,225,97 0,60,0,10,180,97 0,60,0,10,203,97 0,60,0,10,270,97 0,60,0,0,0,95 0,70,0,5,203,94 41,80,0,5,225,89 98,80,49,5,248,87 135,90,135,0,0,86 155,100,286,5,360,79 165,120,465,21,203,74 160,140,534,21,225,67 151,150,470,21,225,63 135,150,337,26,270,65 106,130,186,31,225,66 49,120,56,26,225,72 6,110,0,31,248,80 0,100,0,15,248,86 0,90,0,21,225,87 0,90,0,10,248,87 0,90,0,0,0,87 0,80,0,0,0,90 * day 12 month 4 0,80,0,0,0,95 0,70,0,0,0,95 0,70,0,0,0,98 0,70,0,5,270,98 0,70,0,0,0,98 0,70,0,10,68,99 0,70,0,10,68,99 50,70,17,10,315,99 109,80,99,0,0,97 130,80,138,0,0,95 148,100,280,0,0,91 165,120,483,10,45,83 165,160,543,21,315,64 160,180,508,26,315,48 149,180,355,21,338,47 134,160,256,26,270,53 112,150,276,41,248,56 57,150,177,31,248,51 12,130,1,41,225,57 0,120,0,26,248,65 0,110,0,21,270,68 0,110,0,0,0,68 0,110,0,10,225,68 0,100,0,10,225,70 * day 13 month 4 0,90,0,10,225,75 0,90,0,15,225,79 0,80,0,5,225,83 0,80,0,10,225,83 0,70,0,5,225,84 0,70,0,5,248,84 0,70,0,5,248,78 109,80,295,5,270,74 133,90,448,15,293,75 143,100,616,21,293,67 155,120,623,21,293,57 164,140,571,31,293,44 157,150,665,36,293,35 151,160,675,26,293,34 147,160,618,57,270,34 126,150,638,82,248,33 104,140,513,62,248,40 55,120,222,57,225,60 12,110,0,57,203,63 0,100,0,41,225,62 0,90,0,41,225,70 0,90,0,21,225,75 0,80,0,21,225,83 0,70,0,15,203,94 * day 14 month 4 0,70,0,5,180,92 0,60,0,0,0,97 0,60,0,5,270,99 0,50,0,0,0,96 0,50,0,15,45,98 0,50,0,0,0,95 0,50,0,0,0,96 84,70,186,5,360,86 134,90,423,10,68,72 151,110,454,5,45,65 162,130,437,0,0,56 162,150,570,0,0,47 162,160,582,15,68,36 160,170,529,15,45,28 150,160,479,51,360,41 137,160,343,41,360,36 102,160,184,31,225,51 40,150,26,26,293,51 0,140,0,31,225,52 0,130,0,5,225,56 0,120,0,21,248,58 0,120,0,10,270,60 0,110,0,10,225,62 0,100,0,5,248,62 * day 15 month 4 0,100,0,0,0,63 0,90,0,0,0,65 0,90,0,0,0,69 0,80,0,0,0,62 0,80,0,0,0,59 0,70,0,0,0,68 0,70,0,5,90,71 94,80,176,5,90,65 134,100,419,10,90,65 151,120,499,15,68,46 159,150,551,15,45,35 162,160,623,5,68,36 163,180,607,5,203,27 160,190,547,26,248,26 150,190,397,21,225,32 134,180,248,15,225,31 90,170,119,26,248,38 29,160,2,26,270,34 0,150,0,10,293,35 0,140,0,5,293,37 0,140,0,5,293,39 0,130,0,5,338,45 0,130,0,0,0,44 0,130,0,5,338,44 * day 16 month 4 0,130,0,10,293,41 0,120,0,10,248,44 0,120,0,5,248,47 0,110,0,10,203,51 0,110,0,31,225,58 0,100,0,15,225,59 0,100,0,21,225,66 0,90,0,31,180,69 0,90,0,41,248,78 12,110,0,15,248,73 47,110,0,10,360,75 70,120,0,10,360,73 29,130,0,0,0,67 0,130,0,0,0,66 17,130,0,15,360,69 35,120,0,26,360,70 57,120,5,21,45,69 33,110,6,15,293,75 0,110,0,10,338,75 0,100,0,10,315,83 0,90,0,0,0,90 0,80,0,5,203,92 0,80,0,10,225,92 0,80,0,0,0,92 * day 17 month 4 0,70,0,0,0,98 0,60,0,0,0,99 0,60,0,0,0,95 0,50,0,0,0,98 0,50,0,0,0,96 0,50,0,0,0,96 0,50,0,0,0,96 44,50,6,0,0,96 109,60,159,15,90,97 149,70,438,21,68,97 159,90,584,15,68,96 163,120,611,0,0,87 160,150,652,10,248,78 150,170,713,31,203,71 142,170,654,51,225,62 134,160,533,62,225,53 110,150,385,51,225,51 47,130,141,67,225,55 0,130,0,41,225,67 0,120,0,36,225,67 0,110,0,10,225,68 0,110,0,10,225,70 0,110,0,0,0,71 0,110,0,15,203,71 * day 18 month 4 0,100,0,15,225,75 0,100,0,15,203,76 0,100,0,0,0,76 0,90,0,0,0,76 0,90,0,0,0,79 0,90,0,0,0,80 0,80,0,0,0,83 69,100,38,0,0,79 119,110,129,5,90,74 143,120,226,5,45,68 158,140,321,0,0,62 166,170,393,5,225,49 166,180,406,10,225,51 158,190,326,26,248,46 149,190,309,36,248,34 137,180,336,31,225,40 110,180,222,21,225,40 47,170,81,15,315,43 0,170,0,10,293,46 0,140,0,0,0,54 0,140,0,21,225,54 0,130,0,5,225,57 0,130,0,10,270,55 0,120,0,15,270,57 * day 19 month 4 0,100,0,15,338,62 0,100,0,0,0,70 0,90,0,5,135,83 0,90,0,5,113,89 0,80,0,0,0,92 0,80,0,21,45,93 0,80,0,0,0,87 0,80,0,26,315,93 90,80,24,31,360,90 65,90,15,21,293,85 64,90,0,26,315,83 107,100,36,21,293,75 124,110,83,10,270,70 119,110,72,21,293,70 62,110,26,15,315,70 6,110,0,15,293,70 0,110,0,10,293,70 0,110,0,10,293,70 0,110,0,15,315,70 0,100,0,15,315,75 0,100,0,15,315,75 0,90,0,15,315,76 0,90,0,51,338,76 0,80,0,46,338,81 * day 20 month 4 0,70,0,26,315,87 0,60,0,15,315,88 0,60,0,15,293,81 0,60,0,21,293,78 0,60,0,5,293,78 0,60,0,10,315,76 0,60,0,0,0,76 72,80,249,0,0,77 134,90,528,0,0,70 149,100,592,10,248,66 160,120,522,15,225,60 167,130,442,21,225,58 165,130,378,26,225,56 145,140,219,21,203,54 135,140,167,36,180,51 135,150,299,31,203,54 114,140,309,36,203,56 53,140,134,41,180,58 6,130,0,41,180,57 0,120,0,15,180,57 0,110,0,36,180,58 0,100,0,10,225,63 0,100,0,10,180,67 0,90,0,10,180,69 * day 21 month 4 0,90,0,0,0,72 0,90,0,26,180,72 0,80,0,10,180,72 0,80,0,0,0,72 0,80,0,5,68,74 0,70,0,5,68,78 0,70,0,0,0,78 84,90,247,0,0,72 136,110,494,5,23,63 149,120,586,5,180,60 155,140,664,31,203,52 159,150,679,26,203,47 159,160,671,36,225,46 154,170,678,46,203,46 147,170,608,51,203,42 137,180,455,41,203,37 115,180,338,31,203,34 59,180,172,36,203,30 12,160,0,31,203,34 0,140,0,10,203,39 0,130,0,5,203,41 0,130,0,10,180,50 0,110,0,5,203,58 0,110,0,5,203,64 * day 22 month 4 0,100,0,5,203,66 0,100,0,5,180,70 0,100,0,0,0,70 0,90,0,5,180,69 0,90,0,0,0,69 0,90,0,0,0,72 0,80,0,0,0,77 87,100,771,0,0,74 115,120,769,21,180,63 137,150,736,15,203,56 151,160,695,15,225,51 163,180,627,26,203,45 164,200,606,31,203,39 162,200,547,41,203,39 152,200,418,36,203,35 135,200,272,46,203,36 62,190,112,41,203,46 0,170,0,41,203,55 0,160,0,31,203,61 0,140,0,31,225,66 0,130,0,15,225,72 0,130,0,10,225,76 0,120,0,5,225,83 0,110,0,0,0,83 * day 23 month 4 0,100,0,0,0,87 0,100,0,0,0,87 0,100,0,0,0,91 0,90,0,0,0,97 0,90,0,0,0,97 0,90,0,0,0,90 0,100,0,5,45,87 69,120,179,5,45,80 136,150,451,0,0,64 148,160,606,26,180,53 151,180,704,26,203,44 158,190,677,46,203,42 165,200,583,57,203,38 154,200,663,51,225,39 142,210,672,51,203,38 135,220,535,62,203,38 113,220,365,62,203,38 65,210,128,67,203,39 17,200,2,46,180,41 0,190,0,36,203,45 0,170,0,51,203,56 0,170,0,41,203,64 0,170,0,21,203,73 0,160,0,41,180,71 * day 24 month 4 0,160,0,82,180,79 0,150,0,72,180,82 0,140,0,62,180,87 0,140,0,51,180,85 0,130,0,67,203,91 0,130,0,41,203,85 0,120,0,31,225,89 0,110,0,10,225,91 0,110,0,10,203,96 0,120,0,0,0,91 12,120,0,10,360,91 29,130,0,10,225,85 52,140,0,31,248,75 64,140,0,21,180,72 81,140,0,41,180,68 110,140,162,36,203,59 115,130,276,51,203,52 79,130,193,62,203,43 29,120,94,72,225,40 6,110,0,62,225,48 0,100,0,62,203,50 0,100,0,51,225,49 0,90,0,15,203,58 0,90,0,10,203,65 * day 25 month 4 0,90,0,21,203,65 0,90,0,15,180,65 0,90,0,15,203,58 0,90,0,21,180,58 0,90,0,31,180,69 0,90,0,15,203,70 53,90,33,10,180,72 99,100,369,10,180,67 135,110,527,10,180,63 144,140,599,26,270,45 150,160,716,21,293,37 159,170,684,21,293,35 158,180,698,36,270,33 156,180,644,41,248,34 149,180,604,51,248,36 133,180,594,62,248,36 112,170,445,41,248,42 71,150,185,31,248,44 21,140,20,46,203,42 0,130,0,46,180,45 0,120,0,26,203,48 0,120,0,15,225,53 0,120,0,26,203,53 0,110,0,5,203,53 * day 26 month 4 0,100,0,5,180,54 0,100,0,0,0,58 0,100,0,0,0,58 0,100,0,15,45,58 0,90,0,5,68,65 0,90,0,5,68,65 0,90,0,5,68,62 81,120,313,0,0,60 130,150,622,21,180,45 145,160,659,31,180,44 155,180,673,36,203,42 160,190,661,41,180,42 164,210,612,62,203,41 156,210,647,57,203,41 147,220,622,62,203,41 137,220,485,67,225,45 114,190,317,72,203,46 60,190,106,51,203,52 12,180,0,41,203,49 0,170,0,51,203,48 0,170,0,26,203,49 0,160,0,15,225,51 0,160,0,10,203,53 0,140,0,31,180,64 * day 27 month 4 0,140,0,15,180,64 0,130,0,5,158,65 0,120,0,5,23,66 0,120,0,5,45,65 0,110,0,10,90,64 0,110,0,10,45,69 40,110,5,10,68,67 93,120,83,21,360,67 133,150,240,10,45,52 149,160,277,26,158,41 156,180,418,5,180,37 164,200,616,21,225,35 164,210,623,26,203,34 152,210,691,41,225,34 141,210,690,46,203,34 135,200,533,46,203,39 116,190,402,51,203,45 80,170,326,36,203,46 24,160,143,36,225,46 0,150,0,21,203,51 0,140,0,5,203,63 0,130,0,0,0,68 0,130,0,0,0,68 0,130,0,0,0,68 * day 28 month 4 0,120,0,0,0,73 0,110,0,0,0,75 0,110,0,0,0,74 0,110,0,0,0,76 0,100,0,0,0,80 0,100,0,0,0,83 0,100,0,0,0,82 0,120,0,10,68,81 134,150,515,5,68,73 144,160,670,10,23,61 156,180,669,10,23,45 162,200,656,26,23,28 163,230,643,26,23,30 158,240,625,15,293,31 151,240,509,31,225,34 133,240,265,31,203,34 87,230,70,36,203,38 29,200,1,51,203,39 0,200,0,26,248,39 0,190,0,5,225,41 0,180,0,0,0,44 0,180,0,0,0,49 0,180,0,0,0,51 0,170,0,10,225,52 * day 29 month 4 0,160,0,5,225,56 0,160,0,0,0,53 0,150,0,10,360,65 0,140,0,5,360,80 0,120,0,0,0,98 0,120,0,15,68,93 0,120,0,21,45,93 0,130,0,10,315,93 29,130,0,0,0,94 35,130,0,41,90,91 41,130,0,26,45,93 47,130,0,26,45,95 23,140,0,21,68,90 6,140,0,0,0,96 0,140,0,10,225,96 6,130,0,41,203,95 0,130,0,51,225,95 0,120,0,10,203,92 0,120,0,21,203,92 0,120,0,21,203,95 0,100,0,15,180,99 0,100,0,21,203,97 0,100,0,31,203,97 0,100,0,31,180,97 * day 30 month 4 0,90,0,26,203,97 0,80,0,31,203,97 0,80,0,51,180,97 0,80,0,41,203,97 0,80,0,36,203,97 0,80,0,10,180,97 0,90,0,10,180,96 0,90,0,15,180,96 12,90,0,21,180,96 41,90,0,10,180,96 58,100,0,31,180,92 104,100,140,26,203,92 160,120,471,21,203,83 158,140,628,10,203,80 152,170,565,21,203,67 138,180,476,5,225,61 115,180,297,10,203,62 60,170,100,26,203,63 12,150,0,26,225,71 0,150,0,15,225,73 0,140,0,5,225,76 0,140,0,5,360,80 0,140,0,0,0,81 0,130,0,0,0,83 * day 1 month 5 0,120,0,0,0,78 0,110,0,0,0,79 0,110,0,0,0,78 0,100,0,0,0,78 0,100,0,21,68,84 0,100,0,31,90,83 63,100,33,26,90,83 105,110,106,31,90,76 113,110,95,21,90,78 100,120,22,36,90,73 106,130,0,51,360,72 117,140,0,62,113,66 100,140,0,26,90,72 72,150,0,41,90,65 49,150,0,51,113,74 30,150,0,36,90,74 21,150,0,51,113,80 8,150,0,21,90,82 0,140,0,51,225,94 0,130,0,51,225,96 0,120,0,72,225,98 0,110,0,62,225,97 0,100,0,62,225,99 0,100,0,72,225,97 * day 2 month 5 0,90,0,62,225,99 0,90,0,67,225,97 0,80,0,93,225,98 0,80,0,51,248,98 0,70,0,57,225,99 0,70,0,36,225,99 15,70,0,41,248,99 45,70,0,31,225,98 91,80,45,46,248,97 109,80,43,46,225,97 105,90,0,21,225,99 124,100,65,31,225,95 137,110,129,41,225,75 140,110,148,36,225,81 119,120,100,41,225,84 85,120,19,41,225,82 51,120,5,41,225,88 15,110,0,36,225,89 0,110,0,36,225,89 0,100,0,31,248,95 0,100,0,36,293,92 0,90,0,21,225,96 0,90,0,0,0,96 0,80,0,0,0,95 * day 3 month 5 0,90,0,0,0,97 0,80,0,0,0,98 0,80,0,0,0,98 0,80,0,10,68,98 0,80,0,15,68,98 0,70,0,10,360,98 31,80,0,0,0,95 84,80,58,0,0,95 131,90,287,15,360,92 155,110,500,0,0,85 163,140,556,0,0,78 167,170,559,0,0,65 167,180,527,21,90,55 164,200,442,0,0,47 155,190,363,15,90,49 134,190,245,36,90,43 108,180,127,21,293,49 78,170,84,15,293,48 34,170,57,31,293,48 7,150,0,0,0,56 0,150,0,0,0,56 0,140,0,0,0,69 0,130,0,0,0,79 0,130,0,0,0,79 * day 4 month 5 0,120,0,0,0,83 0,110,0,0,0,76 0,110,0,0,0,76 0,110,0,0,0,80 0,110,0,0,0,84 0,110,0,0,0,76 72,110,106,0,0,85 117,120,324,0,0,77 138,150,512,0,0,66 152,170,586,0,0,57 162,180,584,0,0,49 167,200,476,0,0,44 167,210,447,0,0,40 164,220,485,0,0,40 156,220,431,0,0,40 141,220,365,41,360,46 119,210,280,51,270,49 83,200,160,15,270,51 33,190,77,21,270,61 5,180,0,0,0,63 0,170,0,0,0,60 0,170,0,0,0,60 0,170,0,0,0,63 0,160,0,0,0,67 * day 5 month 5 0,160,0,0,0,68 0,150,0,0,0,71 0,150,0,0,0,80 0,150,0,0,0,69 0,150,0,10,135,69 27,140,5,5,360,78 67,150,31,0,0,69 107,150,119,0,0,74 123,150,135,0,0,74 117,150,74,0,0,70 116,160,63,21,225,67 127,160,90,41,225,74 150,170,247,21,180,68 164,190,430,21,248,57 155,200,495,0,0,51 140,210,487,21,270,55 119,200,371,26,270,59 84,190,191,51,225,60 33,170,81,46,225,58 5,150,0,21,225,67 0,140,0,15,203,71 0,130,0,0,0,78 0,130,0,15,203,78 0,120,0,21,315,83 * day 6 month 5 0,120,0,15,203,85 0,110,0,26,203,86 0,110,0,31,225,90 0,110,0,36,248,92 0,110,0,15,225,94 0,100,0,15,225,99 29,100,0,15,225,96 47,100,0,0,0,99 53,100,0,41,203,99 66,110,0,26,203,97 69,110,0,41,180,97 66,110,0,46,248,97 88,120,0,62,225,91 107,130,21,62,225,87 122,130,114,15,225,85 128,140,159,36,203,81 108,140,117,36,225,81 79,140,80,31,203,79 37,130,49,41,203,76 9,130,0,36,203,78 0,120,0,41,203,83 0,120,0,41,180,83 0,110,0,46,180,89 0,110,0,36,203,79 * day 7 month 5 0,110,0,31,203,74 0,100,0,21,203,75 0,100,0,15,203,72 0,100,0,21,203,70 0,100,0,15,180,74 33,100,52,10,180,74 84,100,230,31,180,75 119,110,445,31,203,67 138,120,551,36,180,67 151,150,599,51,225,52 160,160,612,72,203,44 165,180,611,82,225,38 166,180,597,93,203,40 162,180,593,82,203,40 152,180,571,103,203,42 138,190,520,87,203,41 117,180,444,98,225,45 84,160,261,51,203,52 33,150,101,51,180,59 5,130,0,31,180,66 0,120,0,31,180,70 0,110,0,31,180,75 0,110,0,21,180,76 0,110,0,10,180,78 * day 8 month 5 0,100,0,0,0,80 0,90,0,0,0,86 0,90,0,0,0,86 0,90,0,0,0,86 0,90,0,0,0,89 31,90,41,15,90,89 84,100,186,0,0,87 121,120,380,0,0,77 140,140,511,21,68,69 154,160,575,0,0,66 163,190,573,0,0,53 167,210,551,0,0,43 169,220,541,21,360,42 163,230,548,21,360,40 155,240,536,21,338,36 141,240,485,10,225,36 119,220,369,51,293,47 85,210,187,46,203,46 35,190,72,31,225,50 5,170,0,26,203,53 0,170,0,21,203,49 0,160,0,15,180,52 0,150,0,0,0,59 0,150,0,0,0,59 * day 9 month 5 0,140,0,0,0,60 0,140,0,0,0,62 0,130,0,0,0,67 0,120,0,0,0,65 0,120,0,0,0,74 35,110,62,0,0,73 84,130,276,0,0,68 120,150,450,0,0,61 142,170,477,0,0,53 155,200,542,0,0,39 163,220,584,0,0,35 166,230,584,10,360,35 166,240,591,21,248,33 162,240,580,26,225,26 154,250,555,0,0,32 140,250,512,41,270,33 119,250,409,31,248,24 83,230,205,31,225,34 34,220,48,21,203,43 2,200,0,21,203,43 0,180,0,0,0,52 0,170,0,0,0,49 0,170,0,0,0,51 0,160,0,0,0,67 * day 10 month 5 0,150,0,10,180,60 0,140,0,10,180,62 0,140,0,0,0,66 0,120,0,0,0,68 0,120,0,0,0,68 31,120,33,0,0,75 84,130,226,0,0,78 121,150,413,0,0,67 142,180,464,0,0,52 155,200,529,0,0,44 162,220,593,0,0,38 166,230,600,15,180,40 166,230,590,26,180,35 162,230,591,21,180,32 151,250,594,26,225,27 136,250,572,26,225,33 116,240,492,15,203,32 84,230,290,15,180,29 34,210,99,21,180,39 5,190,0,10,248,41 0,170,0,10,225,51 0,170,0,15,225,52 0,170,0,31,225,52 0,150,0,21,225,48 * day 11 month 5 0,150,0,10,225,51 0,150,0,0,0,51 0,140,0,10,225,49 0,130,0,0,0,49 0,130,0,0,0,57 38,130,115,0,0,52 85,140,342,10,225,58 117,150,527,10,225,57 140,180,550,0,0,52 155,210,543,0,0,39 165,230,521,0,0,31 169,250,506,10,225,35 169,250,530,10,248,34 163,250,559,21,248,33 154,260,563,26,225,36 140,260,518,31,248,36 117,260,330,26,248,35 87,240,172,26,248,38 35,230,143,21,248,44 6,210,0,10,248,44 0,200,0,0,0,48 0,190,0,0,0,50 0,190,0,0,0,56 0,180,0,0,0,56 * day 12 month 5 0,170,0,0,0,63 0,170,0,0,0,63 0,170,0,10,203,63 0,160,0,0,0,71 0,160,0,0,0,71 29,160,12,0,0,67 77,170,55,0,0,67 114,190,166,0,0,67 129,200,172,0,0,58 143,200,302,0,0,57 165,230,491,15,68,43 169,250,522,10,68,47 167,250,562,10,45,49 163,260,464,21,248,47 156,250,392,21,270,44 142,250,458,31,225,57 120,240,434,41,225,56 86,240,266,15,225,59 36,230,101,10,225,64 6,220,0,15,270,62 0,200,0,0,0,74 0,200,0,0,0,70 0,190,0,0,0,78 0,190,0,0,0,78 * day 13 month 5 0,190,0,0,0,82 0,190,0,0,0,83 0,180,0,0,0,85 0,180,0,0,0,80 0,170,0,0,0,83 0,170,0,0,0,88 76,180,120,0,0,86 122,200,283,0,0,78 143,220,399,0,0,69 157,240,443,0,0,63 165,250,477,0,0,62 166,250,408,31,45,55 154,260,228,31,45,60 151,250,257,51,180,56 151,260,301,51,180,56 140,250,321,51,180,59 121,250,379,36,225,61 86,240,221,31,180,62 37,220,58,31,203,72 7,200,0,10,180,78 0,200,0,21,203,78 0,190,0,26,203,82 0,180,0,15,180,87 0,170,0,21,180,97 * day 14 month 5 0,170,0,21,180,98 0,170,0,21,180,98 0,160,0,15,225,99 0,150,0,15,270,99 0,150,0,21,248,99 0,140,0,10,225,99 21,140,0,0,0,99 41,140,0,0,0,99 73,150,14,0,0,99 95,150,13,15,270,98 63,150,0,15,293,98 30,160,0,0,0,92 49,170,0,26,225,73 88,170,0,15,293,77 115,170,42,15,158,78 95,160,44,10,158,85 52,160,1,10,158,85 30,150,0,15,135,91 21,150,0,41,45,82 7,140,0,36,68,75 0,140,0,51,68,70 0,130,0,41,90,64 0,120,0,41,90,62 0,110,0,31,90,67 * day 15 month 5 0,100,0,21,90,67 0,100,0,21,90,66 0,90,0,21,90,80 0,90,0,15,90,69 0,90,0,15,90,69 36,90,158,0,0,66 83,80,445,10,113,71 109,100,648,10,90,50 131,120,671,31,90,45 147,130,675,51,90,39 157,140,671,41,90,36 163,150,661,21,90,36 164,160,643,15,113,29 162,170,591,0,0,35 155,190,554,10,90,36 140,200,534,0,0,37 120,200,449,0,0,39 88,210,270,0,0,46 37,190,100,0,0,48 6,190,0,0,0,60 0,160,0,0,0,66 0,150,0,0,0,65 0,140,0,0,0,66 0,140,0,0,0,64 * day 16 month 5 0,130,0,0,0,75 0,120,0,0,0,78 0,120,0,0,0,84 0,120,0,0,0,84 0,110,0,0,0,85 38,110,99,15,90,80 90,110,290,0,0,89 120,130,477,0,0,78 140,150,554,0,0,68 155,180,568,0,0,60 163,200,580,0,0,53 167,200,582,0,0,50 169,210,554,0,0,49 164,210,544,31,248,52 155,210,544,26,270,53 141,200,488,36,270,51 122,190,391,41,270,51 91,180,299,26,270,51 42,180,171,26,270,51 10,150,0,31,225,50 0,140,0,15,248,58 0,140,0,0,0,60 0,130,0,0,0,64 0,120,0,0,0,66 * day 17 month 5 0,120,0,0,0,70 0,110,0,10,225,73 0,110,0,0,0,74 0,100,0,0,0,75 0,100,0,0,0,79 44,100,116,0,0,76 92,110,272,0,0,79 122,120,430,0,0,76 142,140,501,0,0,70 156,160,538,0,0,66 163,170,584,0,0,63 163,200,434,10,225,54 163,210,428,15,203,50 163,200,585,51,203,56 155,200,548,41,225,53 142,200,483,41,225,56 121,190,365,51,225,56 88,190,187,46,270,48 37,170,60,26,270,46 5,160,0,31,248,54 0,150,0,41,225,57 0,140,0,41,225,67 0,140,0,36,225,70 0,130,0,51,225,73 * day 18 month 5 0,130,0,31,225,76 0,120,0,26,225,77 0,120,0,10,225,83 0,110,0,0,0,85 0,110,0,0,0,86 40,110,116,0,0,86 92,120,276,10,225,83 124,140,357,0,0,79 143,160,413,0,0,71 154,180,551,15,90,63 160,200,622,36,270,54 166,210,606,36,270,45 166,220,593,26,338,38 163,240,582,36,293,33 155,250,551,26,293,39 142,250,450,31,360,36 122,230,328,41,270,41 87,210,184,41,248,37 37,200,42,36,225,45 6,190,0,36,225,49 0,170,0,31,225,60 0,160,0,26,225,62 0,150,0,26,203,66 0,150,0,15,225,65 * day 19 month 5 0,150,0,21,225,65 0,150,0,15,225,65 0,140,0,0,0,74 0,130,0,0,0,77 0,130,0,0,0,76 41,130,58,0,0,78 91,130,188,0,0,79 123,150,361,0,0,69 144,170,454,0,0,62 156,200,513,0,0,57 163,220,571,0,0,45 165,240,613,21,270,39 164,250,638,15,45,37 159,260,636,10,23,36 151,260,612,36,225,38 137,260,578,41,248,35 117,250,521,41,225,37 88,240,352,31,270,39 50,210,166,36,270,44 21,200,0,26,270,46 0,190,0,21,225,51 0,180,0,15,225,49 0,170,0,0,0,53 0,170,0,0,0,53 * day 20 month 5 0,170,0,0,0,55 0,170,0,0,0,53 0,160,0,0,0,65 0,150,0,0,0,69 0,140,0,15,113,74 41,140,83,15,90,76 90,150,302,10,113,72 121,180,480,10,90,60 138,190,576,41,90,60 152,220,601,0,0,52 164,260,541,0,0,36 169,280,443,0,0,30 162,290,300,21,68,23 148,270,195,15,23,31 135,270,144,15,360,32 122,260,116,15,23,32 95,260,60,10,315,35 51,250,9,10,360,32 14,240,0,10,315,37 0,230,0,0,0,45 0,220,0,0,0,54 0,220,0,26,225,65 0,210,0,26,248,66 0,200,0,31,225,61 * day 21 month 5 0,190,0,26,225,59 0,190,0,0,0,65 0,180,0,15,90,68 0,180,0,15,158,70 0,180,0,26,113,68 0,180,0,21,135,71 19,190,0,31,135,66 38,190,0,0,0,71 63,200,0,51,90,54 85,200,0,51,180,45 122,200,0,26,113,50 138,200,0,31,203,61 123,210,29,41,113,56 126,210,98,51,113,57 117,200,86,51,113,56 93,200,28,51,135,56 76,200,14,51,113,55 44,190,2,77,135,52 16,180,0,72,135,60 3,180,0,62,113,60 0,170,0,41,90,63 0,170,0,31,360,67 0,160,0,0,0,75 0,160,0,0,0,76 * day 22 month 5 0,150,0,10,90,81 0,150,0,0,0,83 0,140,0,26,90,91 0,140,0,36,90,83 0,140,0,26,90,81 30,140,5,31,90,76 76,150,51,51,90,71 107,160,94,46,90,65 130,170,179,41,90,62 151,180,277,31,90,58 163,190,405,36,68,58 167,200,420,41,68,53 166,200,468,31,90,53 162,230,599,15,68,50 154,230,585,26,90,46 141,240,538,31,90,41 121,240,434,15,90,41 91,240,250,21,90,48 47,230,88,15,68,49 13,210,0,10,360,58 0,200,0,15,270,68 0,180,0,10,293,72 0,180,0,0,0,76 0,180,0,0,0,75 * day 23 month 5 0,170,0,21,45,77 0,170,0,26,68,78 0,160,0,10,90,75 0,160,0,21,90,72 0,150,0,26,90,73 44,150,123,31,90,72 95,160,219,41,68,66 121,170,221,26,90,61 140,170,300,31,68,62 158,200,428,26,90,57 166,210,445,31,45,49 170,220,464,21,225,47 170,220,507,36,248,53 164,220,434,41,225,57 155,220,328,26,225,55 143,220,320,36,203,56 122,210,266,57,225,62 84,210,120,36,270,63 38,190,13,41,225,73 9,170,0,46,225,68 0,160,0,26,203,76 0,150,0,21,203,78 0,150,0,21,203,79 0,150,0,26,180,80 * day 24 month 5 0,150,0,21,90,80 0,150,0,21,203,83 0,140,0,21,203,88 0,140,0,21,203,87 0,140,0,31,203,85 37,130,20,15,203,87 83,140,69,21,180,84 116,150,179,15,203,83 142,160,299,15,225,79 157,170,370,15,225,73 158,180,306,21,225,70 158,180,250,26,225,72 163,170,314,41,225,72 162,190,323,21,248,65 151,190,281,21,225,68 134,190,208,26,225,69 117,180,197,41,203,70 94,180,264,21,203,70 50,180,204,21,225,73 17,170,0,26,225,71 0,150,0,15,248,80 0,140,0,0,0,89 0,140,0,0,0,89 0,140,0,0,0,91 * day 25 month 5 0,130,0,0,0,94 0,130,0,0,0,97 0,130,0,0,0,94 0,120,0,0,0,99 0,120,0,0,0,99 20,130,0,0,0,98 60,130,19,0,0,98 105,130,95,41,360,98 136,130,354,0,0,90 156,160,543,0,0,86 165,190,535,0,0,71 170,210,515,0,0,63 170,220,487,10,45,59 165,230,449,0,0,55 157,230,411,0,0,52 143,240,345,0,0,55 123,240,286,10,225,55 88,230,169,21,225,60 37,220,30,0,0,64 5,200,0,0,0,71 0,200,0,0,0,73 0,190,0,0,0,76 0,190,0,0,0,80 0,170,0,0,0,88 * day 26 month 5 0,180,0,0,0,83 0,180,0,0,0,88 0,180,0,0,0,87 0,170,0,0,0,89 0,170,0,0,0,89 0,180,0,0,0,87 66,180,41,0,0,86 92,190,45,15,45,80 104,200,57,10,23,78 138,210,191,10,90,72 162,220,322,31,68,68 149,220,229,26,23,66 145,220,187,0,0,67 145,230,193,0,0,63 141,230,224,10,270,68 144,240,371,21,248,64 124,240,356,26,248,60 94,230,236,21,225,64 42,220,109,21,225,70 6,200,0,21,248,75 0,200,0,10,225,78 0,190,0,10,203,80 0,190,0,10,225,82 0,180,0,0,0,84 * day 27 month 5 0,170,0,0,0,88 0,170,0,0,0,89 0,160,0,10,180,88 0,160,0,10,203,89 0,160,0,26,180,89 0,150,0,26,180,93 52,160,27,21,180,92 110,170,142,0,0,86 141,190,274,0,0,78 156,200,348,26,225,76 165,200,419,36,225,74 170,210,471,26,225,76 169,230,537,31,248,63 162,230,599,31,225,64 151,230,623,26,270,61 134,240,648,26,270,58 112,230,628,26,180,62 84,220,552,31,225,65 43,210,293,15,270,69 27,200,1,21,248,78 5,180,0,15,248,81 0,170,0,15,225,85 0,170,0,0,0,88 0,170,0,10,225,86 * day 28 month 5 0,160,0,10,180,90 0,160,0,21,180,92 0,150,0,21,180,93 0,150,0,21,203,93 0,150,0,15,225,93 0,150,0,15,180,94 16,150,0,10,180,94 52,160,2,10,180,90 104,160,69,0,0,86 136,180,150,0,0,78 150,190,215,0,0,73 159,200,259,15,293,73 164,230,369,0,0,63 165,250,464,0,0,56 157,250,451,21,248,53 144,230,431,26,270,57 122,230,464,0,0,59 85,230,564,15,225,54 43,220,326,10,225,64 38,210,1,36,203,70 13,200,0,0,0,74 0,190,0,0,0,80 0,190,0,0,0,79 0,180,0,0,0,81 * day 29 month 5 0,190,0,0,0,78 0,180,0,0,0,90 0,180,0,0,0,90 0,180,0,21,90,83 0,180,0,10,90,88 0,180,0,0,0,88 19,180,0,0,0,86 45,190,0,0,0,82 62,190,0,0,0,85 88,190,0,0,0,83 135,200,0,26,90,80 140,210,38,15,90,77 129,220,98,15,90,70 130,220,107,15,90,71 126,220,102,21,90,72 120,220,102,31,113,72 102,220,72,36,90,63 80,220,45,41,90,55 47,220,74,41,90,55 30,220,2,26,90,57 12,210,0,26,90,58 0,210,0,41,90,63 0,210,0,31,68,63 0,210,0,51,90,63 * day 30 month 5 0,200,0,31,90,65 0,200,0,31,90,66 0,190,0,26,90,74 0,180,0,10,23,78 0,180,0,15,68,76 0,180,0,10,68,76 74,190,144,0,0,73 124,210,326,31,68,66 143,220,456,41,68,63 156,230,531,82,90,57 164,250,459,62,45,56 158,250,280,36,90,56 150,250,193,26,68,55 156,260,274,26,90,55 156,260,421,31,90,52 143,260,420,26,90,51 117,260,222,31,68,53 86,250,78,31,113,53 47,250,48,36,90,56 13,240,2,26,90,59 1,230,0,21,90,61 0,230,0,15,90,62 0,220,0,36,90,64 0,210,0,31,90,67 * day 31 month 5 0,210,0,26,90,67 0,210,0,21,113,67 0,200,0,36,90,74 0,190,0,21,90,73 0,190,0,10,45,78 0,190,0,10,90,78 69,190,26,26,90,74 90,190,34,26,68,70 90,200,13,26,68,68 122,210,143,15,90,68 162,230,386,26,45,64 170,250,450,0,0,61 163,250,323,15,45,57 151,260,219,0,0,59 135,270,150,0,0,55 107,250,64,0,0,79 91,250,35,21,225,65 63,250,22,10,270,64 22,240,0,10,225,68 2,230,0,10,225,78 0,220,0,10,180,78 0,220,0,15,203,76 0,210,0,0,0,78 0,200,0,0,0,80 * day 1 month 6 0,200,0,10,360,76 0,200,0,21,225,66 0,200,0,21,45,67 0,210,0,15,45,59 0,220,0,0,0,65 38,220,9,5,90,75 83,220,185,0,0,75 126,230,383,15,45,65 143,250,484,10,68,58 156,250,529,10,90,59 157,260,361,26,90,55 147,260,176,26,158,54 133,260,114,41,180,56 127,250,97,31,180,59 92,240,59,10,180,59 53,240,0,0,0,55 69,230,13,0,0,64 65,230,15,0,0,55 24,220,1,5,68,72 1,220,0,21,68,72 0,210,0,10,90,83 0,200,0,5,90,89 0,190,0,31,68,99 0,180,0,21,68,99 * day 2 month 6 0,180,0,15,68,96 0,170,0,10,68,98 0,170,0,36,68,93 0,160,0,26,68,100 0,160,0,21,68,99 0,150,0,26,45,99 0,150,0,26,113,100 0,150,0,31,158,99 29,160,0,77,158,100 40,170,0,62,180,90 42,180,0,62,180,78 56,200,0,82,203,69 56,210,0,72,203,62 43,210,0,72,180,64 34,210,0,72,203,62 41,200,0,72,180,65 37,200,0,82,203,63 21,190,0,72,203,65 10,190,0,82,203,61 2,180,0,77,203,60 0,180,0,82,203,65 0,170,0,77,203,68 0,160,0,77,225,72 0,150,0,57,225,67 * day 3 month 6 0,140,0,57,203,76 0,140,0,51,225,82 0,130,0,51,225,85 0,130,0,41,203,84 0,130,0,51,203,86 41,130,60,41,203,86 94,140,220,46,203,84 126,150,321,41,180,75 144,160,366,51,203,73 157,170,479,51,203,71 163,180,586,51,203,70 164,190,640,62,203,66 163,200,652,62,225,58 158,200,651,62,225,56 150,210,636,67,203,57 137,210,618,72,203,57 120,210,464,62,225,58 98,190,305,51,180,66 45,190,222,51,180,65 12,190,7,46,203,65 0,190,0,41,203,66 0,190,0,41,225,66 0,180,0,21,203,67 0,170,0,21,293,68 * day 4 month 6 0,170,0,36,360,77 0,170,0,21,315,78 0,160,0,57,158,80 0,160,0,26,360,89 0,160,0,21,23,89 43,160,74,21,360,92 94,170,258,26,315,95 126,190,412,21,68,82 143,200,484,41,23,77 156,210,530,21,68,74 164,230,549,21,113,63 167,230,586,36,158,58 165,240,618,51,225,56 162,250,612,51,225,55 151,250,620,57,203,52 136,260,625,51,180,47 116,260,599,62,180,46 88,260,405,62,203,51 48,250,116,46,203,60 10,240,2,46,225,58 0,230,0,31,225,63 0,220,0,21,225,67 0,210,0,21,225,69 0,200,0,5,68,73 * day 5 month 6 0,190,0,10,180,74 0,190,0,10,180,74 0,180,0,10,180,79 0,180,0,5,90,79 0,170,0,10,158,77 37,170,33,10,180,77 91,170,167,26,180,77 123,180,248,21,180,86 142,190,350,26,180,82 157,200,499,36,203,79 164,210,549,36,203,72 167,220,586,41,180,65 165,230,618,46,180,60 162,240,612,46,180,50 152,250,619,51,203,46 136,250,623,51,180,51 116,250,597,36,203,56 90,250,402,36,225,55 49,230,114,31,203,69 10,220,1,31,203,75 0,200,0,15,180,81 0,200,0,15,180,76 0,190,0,10,203,82 0,190,0,5,248,80 * day 6 month 6 0,190,0,10,270,78 0,180,0,10,270,89 0,180,0,5,68,83 0,180,0,10,45,85 0,170,0,10,45,90 41,170,40,5,23,90 91,180,126,5,45,90 123,200,250,10,68,80 143,220,323,21,23,70 155,230,328,21,45,66 159,250,291,21,360,62 164,260,334,21,225,51 169,280,421,15,225,41 155,280,301,26,180,40 138,290,159,31,225,31 134,300,190,31,225,37 124,300,276,21,203,36 81,290,186,21,203,35 28,280,2,21,203,39 1,260,0,15,225,47 0,250,0,0,0,55 0,240,0,5,68,55 0,230,0,15,180,71 0,220,0,0,0,62 * day 7 month 6 0,220,0,5,23,60 0,210,0,0,0,61 0,200,0,10,68,65 0,190,0,26,45,75 0,190,0,21,23,71 41,180,40,21,45,72 91,180,126,21,45,71 123,200,249,21,23,70 143,220,323,26,23,64 155,230,328,15,68,61 158,260,291,26,158,50 164,260,334,36,158,49 169,270,420,21,158,44 155,290,301,15,225,39 138,270,159,31,158,37 134,270,190,21,158,36 124,280,274,15,113,42 81,270,185,15,113,46 28,270,2,10,23,47 1,270,0,0,0,56 0,260,0,36,203,59 0,250,0,15,203,69 0,230,0,5,315,78 0,220,0,15,158,84 * day 8 month 6 0,210,0,5,23,92 0,210,0,41,45,92 0,210,0,21,68,86 0,210,0,41,45,81 0,200,0,31,45,76 0,190,0,46,68,85 27,180,0,31,45,90 64,180,5,46,45,91 78,180,2,36,45,92 72,180,0,31,23,92 94,180,0,15,23,93 121,200,0,31,158,95 127,200,0,62,203,95 126,200,35,57,203,89 116,200,70,62,203,89 110,200,67,62,225,89 87,190,37,46,203,92 40,190,3,41,225,91 7,180,0,31,225,94 1,180,0,46,203,94 0,180,0,41,225,94 0,160,0,31,203,95 0,170,0,26,203,96 0,170,0,21,203,96 * day 9 month 6 0,160,0,21,225,95 0,160,0,10,315,94 0,160,0,10,225,93 0,160,0,21,180,93 0,150,0,26,180,95 0,150,0,10,180,96 33,150,0,26,203,96 64,160,10,15,203,91 101,170,49,10,203,89 124,180,37,15,203,88 129,180,0,26,203,91 105,190,0,26,203,84 100,180,33,36,203,89 141,190,222,31,180,84 144,200,251,31,225,83 124,210,124,31,180,78 115,220,135,15,225,75 84,210,79,21,203,77 30,180,9,31,180,89 0,170,0,26,203,88 0,170,0,21,203,91 0,170,0,10,203,92 0,170,0,21,180,92 0,170,0,21,180,92 * day 10 month 6 0,180,0,21,203,89 0,180,0,15,225,90 0,170,0,26,203,92 0,160,0,21,203,94 0,160,0,10,225,94 0,160,0,10,203,94 49,170,8,15,203,91 94,170,58,15,225,90 128,180,159,15,225,86 149,180,250,21,180,86 162,200,385,15,180,78 170,220,508,15,90,69 170,240,505,21,338,66 166,250,481,31,180,62 158,250,436,26,248,65 145,240,370,31,248,68 126,240,419,15,270,66 95,240,387,15,293,69 55,230,201,21,225,67 19,210,16,26,225,78 0,200,0,31,225,82 0,190,0,21,225,84 0,180,0,15,225,83 0,180,0,10,225,83 * day 11 month 6 0,180,0,10,225,86 0,170,0,15,203,87 0,170,0,0,0,89 0,170,0,0,0,90 0,170,0,0,0,93 36,170,21,10,180,91 86,170,91,10,203,91 116,180,148,0,0,90 137,200,262,0,0,82 157,210,371,0,0,74 165,240,397,0,0,68 169,250,449,10,360,65 169,260,442,21,293,64 165,270,388,15,203,64 157,250,363,31,225,64 145,250,358,26,203,59 127,250,335,31,203,61 93,240,186,31,203,63 42,220,35,31,180,69 7,210,0,15,180,75 0,200,0,15,203,83 0,200,0,10,203,83 0,190,0,10,203,80 0,190,0,0,0,80 * day 12 month 6 0,180,0,5,203,84 0,180,0,10,180,84 0,180,0,0,0,90 0,180,0,5,180,89 0,180,0,5,135,90 20,180,0,0,0,92 44,180,0,0,0,92 73,190,20,0,0,88 106,200,56,5,68,89 135,210,174,5,90,86 158,220,284,15,180,80 166,230,370,21,203,74 170,250,436,15,203,70 165,260,495,21,225,66 156,260,562,26,203,68 143,250,465,36,203,70 127,250,368,31,203,70 97,230,415,31,203,73 52,220,304,21,203,76 21,210,19,15,225,76 0,200,0,10,203,84 0,190,0,15,203,80 0,190,0,10,225,91 0,180,0,5,225,93 * day 13 month 6 0,190,0,10,225,91 0,190,0,10,225,92 0,190,0,0,0,91 0,180,0,0,0,96 0,190,0,0,0,93 0,190,0,0,0,93 50,190,21,0,0,91 105,210,91,0,0,88 135,210,224,5,180,90 156,220,359,15,180,86 165,240,441,5,45,81 170,250,475,10,225,70 170,260,490,21,315,71 165,270,505,21,315,70 157,290,507,15,270,67 144,290,483,10,248,61 126,280,414,21,180,67 98,270,400,21,203,71 51,260,285,15,225,71 17,250,20,21,248,72 0,230,0,21,225,79 0,230,0,15,225,91 0,230,0,0,0,83 0,220,0,10,203,83 * day 14 month 6 0,220,0,10,225,84 0,200,0,5,203,98 0,200,0,0,0,93 0,190,0,0,0,96 0,200,0,10,23,95 37,200,10,10,23,93 79,200,45,10,45,93 115,220,180,0,0,87 143,230,305,15,23,85 156,260,372,10,23,73 149,280,262,15,23,60 152,290,309,21,338,55 170,320,469,10,45,42 166,310,443,21,315,40 158,300,450,21,315,49 145,310,441,15,293,48 127,300,407,15,270,49 99,300,322,10,225,48 55,280,188,15,293,51 17,270,21,10,315,59 0,260,0,0,0,60 0,230,0,36,203,71 0,220,0,41,203,75 0,220,0,26,180,70 * day 15 month 6 0,210,0,21,180,73 0,210,0,0,0,75 0,210,0,0,0,79 0,210,0,0,0,79 0,210,0,21,203,79 38,200,180,15,180,82 98,200,290,0,0,87 126,210,331,5,203,83 144,240,363,5,225,70 157,250,408,21,203,63 165,250,464,21,203,61 170,260,498,21,225,63 170,270,507,10,225,65 166,280,479,21,225,62 156,280,373,31,203,62 143,280,301,26,225,65 120,270,212,21,225,68 88,260,76,5,225,76 38,250,34,36,225,77 3,240,0,5,203,74 0,240,0,21,203,82 0,230,0,10,203,90 0,230,0,0,0,89 0,220,0,0,0,83 * day 16 month 6 0,220,0,0,0,92 0,220,0,0,0,93 0,210,0,0,0,90 0,210,0,15,225,92 0,210,0,15,203,92 0,210,0,10,225,88 31,210,0,15,225,92 76,220,30,5,225,90 104,230,49,5,180,83 116,220,74,15,180,87 131,240,109,5,158,76 147,240,56,21,180,81 163,240,0,15,180,82 136,240,71,10,135,88 116,250,58,15,158,83 112,240,65,21,135,92 94,240,73,26,158,87 57,240,3,26,113,83 24,240,0,21,90,84 1,240,0,41,135,90 0,230,0,36,180,92 0,230,0,46,180,95 0,220,0,57,180,95 0,210,0,51,203,96 * day 17 month 6 0,220,0,62,203,95 0,210,0,41,203,96 0,200,0,36,203,84 0,190,0,41,203,96 0,190,0,41,203,96 20,190,0,15,203,97 49,190,1,15,203,97 84,200,41,5,225,95 107,210,60,0,0,95 107,220,48,0,0,87 129,230,123,0,0,89 159,240,374,0,0,85 167,250,568,5,270,77 164,260,577,21,270,84 156,260,478,21,225,84 143,260,305,31,225,81 126,250,297,51,203,88 98,240,266,51,180,80 48,230,87,41,180,81 9,210,0,36,180,83 0,210,0,31,203,83 0,200,0,36,203,83 0,190,0,31,203,91 0,190,0,31,203,91 * day 18 month 6 0,190,0,31,180,91 0,180,0,26,203,90 0,180,0,41,203,90 0,180,0,31,203,90 0,180,0,26,203,91 33,180,10,31,180,91 84,180,91,31,180,90 121,190,276,26,203,88 144,200,429,5,180,84 157,220,487,5,203,77 164,230,538,21,203,77 167,240,580,21,180,70 166,250,598,26,203,69 163,250,601,36,203,68 154,270,598,26,203,60 141,270,564,26,203,60 123,270,518,36,180,55 95,260,435,31,203,57 49,250,220,26,203,59 13,240,0,21,203,62 0,230,0,21,203,71 0,210,0,21,180,77 0,210,0,21,203,78 0,210,0,21,180,79 * day 19 month 6 0,200,0,10,180,84 0,200,0,21,45,84 0,190,0,10,23,87 0,190,0,21,45,82 0,190,0,26,23,82 37,200,47,26,45,73 90,210,108,26,45,68 121,210,245,21,45,75 144,230,398,31,23,65 157,230,455,31,68,66 165,250,424,26,45,57 167,240,378,15,68,65 169,270,401,5,23,56 159,270,338,31,180,56 137,270,169,21,180,57 71,260,53,26,180,61 30,250,0,36,203,70 30,250,0,21,203,70 10,230,0,36,203,73 0,210,0,21,203,75 0,210,0,21,180,75 0,210,0,21,203,76 0,200,0,10,180,85 0,200,0,15,180,84 * day 20 month 6 0,190,0,10,225,93 0,190,0,10,203,92 0,180,0,5,225,96 0,180,0,5,225,96 0,170,0,0,0,99 0,170,0,5,203,95 21,170,0,5,180,95 47,180,0,5,180,92 77,180,6,0,0,92 113,190,36,15,180,88 121,200,74,15,225,80 130,210,104,15,225,80 154,220,267,5,158,73 165,240,481,10,203,68 154,240,594,0,0,68 133,250,686,15,203,65 109,250,680,21,225,63 80,250,698,51,225,63 50,250,424,41,225,65 48,230,27,36,225,68 0,210,0,31,225,72 0,200,0,31,225,73 0,190,0,36,225,74 0,190,0,26,225,75 * day 21 month 6 0,180,0,21,203,80 0,180,0,21,203,82 0,180,0,10,180,90 0,180,0,5,203,89 0,170,0,0,0,93 42,170,58,0,0,93 87,180,80,5,180,90 116,190,197,5,225,86 143,190,349,10,225,86 157,210,455,5,180,79 164,230,542,10,225,70 169,250,552,21,225,66 170,250,499,15,225,65 164,260,538,21,225,57 152,260,615,21,203,57 141,270,570,10,225,56 123,270,529,21,225,55 95,250,387,31,203,62 56,240,145,31,203,62 17,220,15,31,203,68 0,210,0,10,225,74 0,200,0,0,0,85 0,190,0,0,0,88 0,190,0,0,0,91 * day 22 month 6 0,190,0,0,0,91 0,180,0,0,0,90 0,180,0,0,0,91 0,170,0,0,0,91 0,170,0,0,0,93 47,170,93,0,0,93 94,170,163,0,0,93 120,180,202,0,0,89 141,220,328,0,0,74 157,230,457,0,0,74 165,250,514,5,270,63 167,260,557,26,203,60 167,260,573,21,225,61 163,260,594,21,225,61 154,270,595,21,203,55 141,260,578,31,180,61 122,260,525,31,203,61 98,260,347,21,225,61 53,250,130,10,225,62 14,230,1,10,225,73 0,220,0,5,225,77 0,210,0,0,0,79 0,210,0,10,180,83 0,200,0,15,180,83 * day 23 month 6 0,200,0,21,203,83 0,190,0,10,203,88 0,180,0,5,225,96 0,180,0,0,0,94 0,190,0,0,0,91 36,190,8,0,0,91 65,190,17,0,0,88 87,200,29,5,360,82 110,200,84,0,0,82 141,210,193,0,0,78 159,230,401,5,338,70 167,240,555,5,360,62 169,260,559,10,225,60 165,260,535,10,315,66 157,280,528,10,270,59 144,270,513,31,180,64 127,270,436,31,180,64 100,270,307,10,225,65 56,260,136,15,225,66 16,240,8,5,225,73 0,230,0,0,0,79 0,220,0,5,225,83 0,210,0,15,225,81 0,210,0,10,203,81 * day 24 month 6 0,210,0,5,203,85 0,200,0,0,0,86 0,200,0,5,180,86 0,200,0,5,180,87 0,190,0,0,0,86 35,190,20,0,0,91 87,200,129,0,0,87 121,220,222,15,23,86 141,230,276,15,45,85 152,240,295,15,68,79 159,260,295,10,23,76 166,270,390,15,90,68 169,290,428,10,360,61 165,290,386,15,23,55 155,300,324,10,180,55 143,280,290,36,180,69 120,280,212,21,203,69 86,270,66,15,225,72 49,260,20,15,225,75 15,250,2,10,225,81 0,250,0,0,0,83 0,240,0,0,0,84 0,240,0,0,0,84 0,240,0,5,180,85 * day 25 month 6 0,230,0,0,0,91 0,220,0,0,0,98 0,220,0,0,0,89 0,210,0,0,0,94 0,200,0,5,45,99 0,200,0,5,90,98 0,200,0,21,23,99 86,210,27,15,23,98 79,220,16,15,68,95 64,230,0,31,68,87 65,240,0,62,68,66 88,240,0,62,68,65 116,230,0,51,45,70 127,220,0,72,45,86 117,210,22,77,23,86 99,200,37,46,23,93 88,200,30,57,23,93 53,190,17,72,23,91 10,190,0,51,23,93 0,180,0,51,23,96 0,180,0,41,45,97 0,180,0,21,23,99 0,170,0,5,45,99 0,170,0,15,158,99 * day 26 month 6 0,170,0,21,180,99 0,170,0,41,135,99 0,170,0,26,113,99 0,170,0,31,113,99 0,180,0,26,113,99 0,180,0,15,113,100 21,180,0,10,360,100 28,190,0,10,90,93 52,200,0,21,113,88 73,210,0,5,68,85 91,210,0,10,113,89 97,220,0,5,90,84 94,220,0,10,68,83 100,220,0,10,68,84 107,220,7,10,68,83 88,210,17,5,68,85 65,210,6,15,45,85 29,200,0,5,113,91 2,200,0,5,158,93 0,190,0,5,68,91 0,190,0,5,180,91 0,180,0,10,180,97 0,180,0,0,0,100 0,170,0,0,0,99 * day 27 month 6 0,170,0,10,203,99 0,160,0,10,180,99 0,160,0,10,180,100 0,160,0,10,180,100 0,160,0,21,180,100 0,160,0,21,180,99 0,170,0,21,180,98 23,170,0,21,180,98 74,170,38,21,180,98 122,180,36,0,0,97 123,190,33,0,0,93 131,210,33,10,203,85 155,210,171,5,225,86 163,230,340,5,293,85 144,240,234,5,225,80 124,240,122,5,225,78 115,240,130,15,225,78 98,240,170,10,203,74 57,230,149,15,225,77 17,220,20,21,203,78 0,210,0,10,203,83 0,200,0,0,0,87 0,200,0,5,203,91 0,200,0,10,203,86 * day 28 month 6 0,190,0,0,0,91 0,190,0,0,0,91 0,190,0,0,0,91 0,190,0,0,0,91 0,190,0,0,0,91 36,190,27,0,0,91 83,190,65,0,0,88 109,200,110,0,0,91 126,220,135,0,0,87 141,220,185,15,203,83 154,230,240,21,225,82 162,240,293,15,203,78 167,250,428,21,180,68 162,260,599,10,203,66 142,270,730,5,203,67 123,270,762,0,0,63 107,270,720,26,180,61 78,260,725,31,225,63 51,260,365,10,225,66 21,250,30,10,225,74 0,240,0,0,0,76 0,240,0,10,203,78 0,230,0,5,158,81 0,230,0,10,180,83 * day 29 month 6 0,220,0,0,0,87 0,220,0,0,0,87 0,200,0,10,203,82 0,190,0,5,180,88 0,190,0,5,203,88 40,190,33,0,0,91 90,190,159,0,0,91 123,210,320,5,45,83 143,230,422,5,23,78 157,240,461,5,68,78 162,260,369,5,68,71 164,270,329,5,45,68 165,280,335,10,360,67 157,280,269,15,203,67 154,290,322,5,293,72 147,290,388,10,248,73 127,290,298,10,225,73 91,280,128,5,225,75 47,270,16,5,293,78 14,260,0,5,225,80 0,260,0,0,0,85 0,250,0,0,0,88 0,250,0,0,0,85 0,250,0,0,0,85 * day 30 month 6 0,250,0,0,0,85 0,240,0,0,0,87 0,230,0,5,225,87 0,220,0,0,0,94 0,210,0,0,0,99 0,200,0,10,45,98 19,200,0,26,45,99 56,200,7,21,45,94 87,210,6,26,23,88 104,220,27,36,68,83 121,230,80,21,68,83 133,240,110,31,45,74 131,240,56,21,68,72 122,240,31,21,68,73 92,240,33,5,45,76 56,230,0,21,45,81 41,230,0,15,68,80 34,220,0,10,68,85 17,220,0,26,45,78 3,220,0,21,45,78 0,220,0,26,45,79 0,210,0,36,45,83 0,210,0,41,23,83 0,200,0,36,45,90 * day 1 month 7 0,200,0,0,0,88 0,200,0,0,0,89 0,200,0,0,0,89 0,200,0,0,0,83 0,200,0,0,0,83 40,200,17,0,0,81 77,210,36,0,0,80 80,210,23,0,0,85 88,220,26,26,68,83 128,240,141,51,90,73 156,260,271,26,90,66 163,260,307,21,90,64 165,270,337,0,0,63 160,290,324,0,0,55 148,280,230,0,0,58 130,280,156,0,0,56 116,290,145,0,0,53 91,280,108,0,0,60 52,260,36,0,0,68 17,250,13,0,0,70 0,240,0,0,0,76 0,240,0,0,0,81 0,230,0,0,0,78 0,230,0,0,0,82 * day 2 month 7 0,230,0,0,0,73 0,220,0,0,0,75 0,220,0,31,68,73 0,220,0,36,68,72 0,210,0,31,68,78 47,210,181,41,68,80 93,220,331,62,68,80 121,240,454,41,90,64 141,250,520,41,68,60 155,270,526,36,90,55 164,280,502,26,68,55 169,280,457,26,90,57 170,290,457,21,90,55 166,290,493,26,68,53 158,300,442,21,90,51 142,300,293,41,68,51 123,290,208,26,68,51 93,280,137,0,0,50 44,280,29,0,0,53 9,260,0,0,0,56 0,260,0,0,0,58 0,250,0,0,0,63 0,250,0,0,0,64 0,240,0,0,0,65 * day 3 month 7 0,240,0,10,68,68 0,240,0,15,68,72 0,240,0,26,68,72 0,230,0,36,68,70 0,230,0,31,90,69 7,230,0,36,68,69 45,230,14,15,90,73 101,240,91,15,68,69 129,250,159,15,68,68 145,250,224,26,45,68 157,270,278,21,68,65 152,280,222,0,0,62 147,280,172,0,0,62 152,290,230,0,0,61 147,300,224,21,360,59 131,290,164,15,293,61 122,300,299,31,270,59 93,280,276,21,360,62 48,260,43,26,315,67 10,260,0,31,270,68 0,250,0,36,248,68 0,240,0,0,0,75 0,230,0,0,0,79 0,230,0,0,0,82 * day 4 month 7 0,230,0,0,0,78 0,220,0,0,0,83 0,220,0,0,0,86 0,210,0,0,0,88 0,210,0,0,0,88 30,200,14,0,0,90 83,210,87,0,0,88 116,220,165,0,0,91 129,230,163,0,0,83 144,250,247,0,0,75 163,270,372,21,23,68 166,280,369,31,225,60 165,290,342,31,225,61 155,280,264,46,248,63 149,300,254,51,248,59 142,280,276,62,248,60 126,270,252,62,248,63 99,270,204,62,225,65 49,250,66,41,203,67 10,240,0,36,270,70 0,230,0,0,0,74 0,230,0,0,0,74 0,220,0,0,0,78 0,220,0,0,0,84 * day 5 month 7 0,210,0,0,0,88 0,210,0,0,0,83 0,210,0,0,0,83 0,210,0,0,0,80 0,210,0,0,0,81 37,200,23,0,0,89 86,210,147,26,68,85 117,230,193,21,68,78 134,240,207,26,68,78 152,260,319,15,68,72 164,280,386,21,68,65 154,290,265,36,68,63 134,290,114,0,0,61 128,290,47,26,225,59 120,280,0,36,248,62 93,270,15,46,225,61 88,270,33,10,225,61 74,260,30,0,0,65 29,250,3,0,0,70 1,250,0,0,0,70 0,240,0,0,0,72 0,230,0,0,0,78 0,220,0,26,45,86 0,220,0,31,90,87 * day 6 month 7 0,230,0,36,90,81 0,230,0,41,68,79 0,220,0,46,68,81 0,220,0,62,68,83 0,220,0,36,68,83 0,220,0,36,68,87 45,210,7,93,68,88 35,210,0,51,45,86 76,220,36,41,45,80 122,230,93,51,45,78 142,230,165,57,68,78 149,240,106,51,45,75 131,240,33,41,45,77 98,230,33,31,45,82 88,230,0,15,23,86 94,230,13,26,45,83 91,220,35,41,68,88 83,220,43,62,45,86 38,220,28,31,45,89 3,210,0,26,45,94 0,210,0,36,45,89 0,200,0,41,45,95 0,200,0,31,45,97 0,200,0,31,45,95 * day 7 month 7 0,200,0,21,45,97 0,190,0,26,45,94 0,190,0,36,23,93 0,180,0,31,45,100 0,180,0,26,45,100 0,190,0,0,0,93 28,200,0,21,45,79 81,200,102,21,45,80 133,210,190,21,23,84 138,220,169,0,0,75 140,220,148,0,0,74 155,230,285,0,0,71 169,250,456,21,23,65 166,260,470,41,45,67 158,260,464,41,45,64 145,270,484,26,68,68 117,270,299,21,68,68 91,270,84,15,338,59 45,250,57,0,0,62 7,240,0,0,0,65 0,230,0,0,0,71 0,230,0,0,0,73 0,220,0,0,0,75 0,220,0,0,0,76 * day 8 month 7 0,210,0,0,0,79 0,210,0,0,0,80 0,210,0,0,0,80 0,200,0,0,0,81 0,200,0,15,248,83 23,200,0,15,225,89 71,210,84,21,225,85 112,220,136,15,225,80 134,230,280,0,0,71 152,250,342,0,0,64 158,250,293,21,248,65 159,270,273,36,248,64 158,260,259,41,248,63 162,270,321,31,225,59 154,270,304,31,225,59 143,270,291,31,248,60 127,270,300,31,248,55 93,260,165,31,248,59 40,240,28,31,248,73 5,230,0,26,248,70 0,210,0,21,248,74 0,210,0,0,0,79 0,210,0,0,0,76 0,200,0,0,0,85 * day 9 month 7 0,200,0,0,0,82 0,200,0,0,0,87 0,200,0,0,0,86 0,200,0,0,0,87 0,190,0,0,0,89 31,200,23,26,68,84 84,210,107,21,90,83 113,210,149,15,90,81 120,220,109,0,0,80 137,240,191,0,0,73 155,260,257,0,0,66 157,260,248,0,0,65 156,270,237,0,0,64 136,270,144,15,270,64 130,270,133,0,0,65 122,270,126,0,0,64 102,260,66,0,0,68 72,260,42,0,0,67 28,260,0,0,0,67 6,240,0,0,0,78 0,230,0,0,0,78 0,230,0,0,0,77 0,230,0,0,0,78 0,230,0,0,0,79 * day 10 month 7 0,230,0,0,0,81 0,230,0,0,0,79 0,220,0,0,0,81 0,220,0,15,68,83 0,220,0,26,68,87 0,210,0,26,180,92 0,220,0,41,180,93 0,220,0,41,203,87 8,240,0,62,203,81 14,240,0,62,203,85 15,250,0,77,203,87 14,250,0,93,203,87 23,250,0,93,203,87 23,250,0,67,203,87 12,240,0,51,225,93 8,220,0,41,248,98 9,210,0,41,248,90 24,210,0,31,248,94 28,200,0,26,248,89 9,200,0,21,225,89 0,200,0,21,248,89 0,200,0,15,225,89 0,200,0,21,225,89 0,200,0,0,0,91 * day 11 month 7 0,200,0,15,248,91 0,200,0,15,225,91 0,200,0,0,0,91 0,200,0,0,0,93 0,200,0,0,0,91 0,200,0,0,0,91 28,200,0,0,0,91 67,200,9,0,0,95 85,210,8,0,0,92 100,220,0,0,0,86 130,230,0,0,0,83 131,230,0,0,0,82 123,240,51,0,0,80 121,240,51,0,0,80 101,230,0,0,0,89 72,230,0,10,270,89 47,220,0,0,0,97 26,210,0,0,0,99 5,210,0,0,0,92 0,200,0,0,0,98 0,200,0,0,0,98 0,200,0,0,0,98 0,190,0,0,0,99 0,190,0,0,0,97 * day 12 month 7 0,200,0,0,0,91 0,200,0,0,0,91 0,200,0,0,0,93 0,190,0,0,0,91 0,190,0,0,0,93 37,190,77,0,0,93 90,190,219,0,0,93 120,200,252,0,0,89 137,230,266,0,0,82 155,250,347,15,248,75 164,260,414,0,0,71 163,270,356,0,0,67 163,260,343,15,248,70 165,270,431,21,248,68 158,280,435,21,248,65 145,280,443,15,225,63 127,280,391,15,248,65 99,260,243,31,248,67 45,250,91,26,248,70 6,230,0,15,225,67 0,220,0,15,248,74 0,220,0,10,225,80 0,210,0,0,0,81 0,200,0,0,0,80 * day 13 month 7 0,200,0,0,0,82 0,190,0,0,0,82 0,190,0,0,0,83 0,190,0,0,0,84 0,190,0,0,0,86 24,190,2,0,0,88 74,200,73,0,0,84 116,220,197,0,0,83 140,240,308,0,0,73 155,260,354,0,0,68 163,270,390,0,0,64 169,280,445,0,0,62 169,290,436,0,0,68 165,290,423,0,0,61 158,290,409,26,248,61 147,290,401,26,225,57 127,280,438,21,270,55 98,280,349,26,248,58 56,260,167,26,270,64 17,250,22,21,270,66 0,240,0,15,248,69 0,230,0,0,0,73 0,220,0,0,0,75 0,220,0,0,0,76 * day 14 month 7 0,220,0,0,0,81 0,210,0,0,0,83 0,210,0,0,0,86 0,210,0,0,0,78 0,210,0,0,0,83 33,210,31,0,0,85 85,210,207,0,0,88 120,230,284,21,68,74 137,260,251,0,0,65 151,280,286,0,0,65 156,270,276,26,225,56 154,280,226,0,0,53 145,280,170,15,225,54 136,280,129,21,90,55 126,270,104,21,203,57 106,270,57,21,225,63 86,270,24,0,0,65 56,260,9,15,225,65 20,260,0,21,248,66 2,260,0,15,248,66 0,250,0,0,0,68 0,240,0,0,0,74 0,240,0,0,0,76 0,240,0,0,0,73 * day 15 month 7 0,230,0,31,68,89 0,220,0,26,68,97 0,220,0,72,203,94 0,220,0,41,225,94 0,230,0,72,203,90 10,240,0,57,203,89 28,250,0,93,203,85 29,260,0,108,203,80 24,280,0,67,203,74 30,280,0,72,225,74 38,280,0,62,225,74 53,280,0,46,225,74 91,270,0,36,203,78 129,260,0,41,203,83 106,260,10,57,225,89 69,250,0,41,225,93 50,240,0,72,225,93 37,240,0,62,248,98 13,240,0,41,248,91 1,230,0,26,248,94 0,230,0,21,248,97 0,230,0,31,225,96 0,220,0,0,0,97 0,220,0,15,248,98 * day 16 month 7 0,230,0,36,248,96 0,220,0,51,248,97 0,220,0,21,270,97 0,220,0,10,248,97 0,220,0,10,225,97 0,220,0,0,0,97 22,220,0,0,0,97 64,230,26,0,0,95 98,230,28,0,0,95 109,230,9,0,0,93 136,240,77,0,0,89 145,250,170,0,0,86 155,250,237,0,0,85 162,250,343,26,225,86 154,260,326,26,225,84 138,270,227,26,225,79 105,250,117,41,225,85 62,240,10,36,248,85 27,240,0,21,248,87 5,240,0,10,225,87 0,230,0,10,203,89 0,230,0,0,0,89 0,230,0,0,0,89 0,230,0,0,0,87 * day 17 month 7 0,240,0,0,0,82 0,240,0,0,0,82 0,230,0,0,0,97 0,220,0,0,0,93 0,210,0,0,0,99 20,220,0,0,0,95 43,230,0,0,0,93 79,240,42,0,0,87 106,240,59,15,225,88 131,250,251,0,0,81 164,260,449,0,0,84 163,270,349,0,0,78 163,280,380,0,0,74 165,290,500,0,0,73 158,300,442,26,248,66 145,290,380,26,270,70 127,270,357,21,270,78 99,260,285,21,270,89 48,250,143,21,270,91 10,250,0,15,248,83 0,240,0,0,0,97 0,240,0,0,0,92 0,240,0,0,0,89 0,240,0,0,0,89 * day 18 month 7 0,240,0,0,0,89 0,230,0,0,0,93 0,230,0,0,0,93 0,230,0,0,0,94 0,220,0,0,0,93 35,220,193,0,0,96 90,240,270,21,90,83 117,250,214,0,0,86 137,260,271,0,0,84 150,270,286,0,0,77 154,280,248,0,0,72 159,300,270,0,0,68 157,300,249,0,0,68 141,300,162,0,0,69 124,290,95,26,225,72 124,290,135,31,225,73 120,290,183,26,225,70 87,280,450,21,225,76 41,260,312,0,0,78 10,270,0,0,0,80 0,260,0,0,0,78 0,260,0,0,0,89 0,250,0,0,0,84 0,250,0,0,0,85 * day 19 month 7 0,240,0,0,0,85 0,250,0,0,0,85 0,250,0,0,0,88 0,250,0,0,0,92 0,250,0,0,0,92 0,250,0,0,0,92 33,250,2,15,225,93 87,250,55,0,0,85 124,270,141,15,203,79 130,270,136,31,225,79 126,280,93,36,225,79 138,280,144,36,225,76 154,300,222,21,225,70 150,300,213,26,225,65 144,300,200,31,203,65 140,310,254,31,225,75 112,300,169,36,248,68 76,300,28,26,225,68 35,280,12,31,225,76 5,270,0,21,225,81 0,270,0,15,225,85 0,270,0,15,225,84 0,260,0,10,248,88 0,250,0,0,0,93 * day 20 month 7 0,240,0,0,0,93 0,240,0,0,0,93 0,240,0,0,0,93 0,240,0,0,0,93 0,250,0,0,0,87 15,250,0,0,0,89 58,250,33,0,0,87 108,260,145,0,0,86 110,260,112,0,0,82 113,270,58,0,0,79 145,280,201,0,0,74 156,290,245,0,0,73 150,290,194,15,203,70 152,310,230,31,225,75 152,300,283,21,225,73 138,310,236,21,248,71 121,310,199,26,248,70 90,300,133,26,248,80 42,290,19,26,248,76 9,270,0,26,248,80 0,260,0,0,0,82 0,260,0,0,0,86 0,250,0,0,0,89 0,250,0,0,0,89 * day 21 month 7 0,250,0,0,0,89 0,250,0,0,0,89 0,250,0,0,0,91 0,250,0,0,0,91 0,260,0,0,0,84 0,260,0,0,0,85 55,250,41,0,0,89 91,260,47,0,0,85 113,260,117,21,225,85 138,280,177,0,0,81 134,280,127,15,203,79 147,300,197,36,225,73 156,300,241,41,225,74 154,300,242,26,248,76 147,300,234,46,248,75 119,290,112,51,248,75 104,280,85,46,225,79 80,280,72,21,248,81 29,270,5,21,270,77 1,270,0,15,248,79 0,270,0,15,248,81 0,260,0,0,0,83 0,260,0,0,0,85 0,250,0,0,0,86 * day 22 month 7 0,250,0,0,0,86 0,250,0,0,0,86 0,240,0,15,203,96 0,240,0,0,0,96 0,250,0,0,0,90 0,260,0,26,203,83 47,270,2,21,225,80 81,280,33,26,203,75 109,290,72,21,225,71 134,300,162,21,225,69 156,310,283,21,203,65 160,310,293,41,203,69 159,320,273,41,225,65 160,320,315,41,225,64 152,310,295,41,203,68 142,310,326,41,203,68 124,300,319,41,225,76 87,290,129,36,225,73 34,280,15,46,248,77 2,280,0,36,248,70 0,270,0,31,225,79 0,260,0,26,248,79 0,250,0,26,225,84 0,240,0,21,203,87 * day 23 month 7 0,240,0,46,225,89 0,240,0,36,225,88 0,250,0,36,225,83 0,260,0,36,225,80 0,260,0,41,225,83 0,270,0,36,225,80 44,270,2,31,225,80 92,280,104,31,225,72 129,290,178,51,225,64 130,290,134,82,225,67 137,300,147,72,225,70 152,300,214,41,225,69 157,310,251,57,225,63 155,310,250,57,225,64 149,300,250,51,225,69 134,290,197,57,225,75 113,290,121,57,248,79 84,280,71,51,248,78 31,270,13,62,225,79 0,260,0,51,248,87 0,250,0,41,225,88 0,250,0,41,225,83 0,250,0,31,225,91 0,240,0,26,225,99 * day 24 month 7 0,240,0,26,225,93 0,240,0,31,225,94 0,250,0,51,225,89 0,250,0,51,225,89 0,260,0,36,225,84 0,260,0,46,203,86 5,270,0,51,225,79 45,270,10,41,225,79 90,270,23,36,225,81 106,280,49,31,225,75 122,280,81,36,225,78 140,290,152,26,248,75 144,300,169,26,248,72 138,300,141,36,248,75 140,290,177,41,248,75 133,290,176,26,225,75 91,280,79,36,248,79 40,270,1,26,248,83 12,270,0,15,225,82 0,260,0,15,225,85 0,250,0,0,0,90 0,250,0,0,0,92 0,240,0,0,0,98 0,240,0,0,0,90 * day 25 month 7 0,240,0,0,0,91 0,240,0,0,0,92 0,230,0,0,0,99 0,230,0,0,0,97 0,220,0,21,225,99 0,220,0,31,180,100 0,230,0,46,203,99 0,230,0,46,225,99 17,240,0,15,180,92 31,250,0,0,0,84 49,250,0,15,45,84 90,260,0,41,68,78 102,260,0,41,90,78 67,250,0,46,68,84 48,250,0,21,45,90 41,240,0,31,45,93 35,230,0,46,68,95 30,220,0,36,68,98 16,220,0,36,68,97 5,220,0,36,68,98 0,210,0,26,68,99 0,200,0,26,68,99 0,200,0,21,68,99 0,190,0,26,68,99 * day 26 month 7 0,190,0,26,68,99 0,200,0,26,68,99 0,200,0,41,68,100 0,210,0,36,68,99 0,220,0,31,90,98 0,220,0,21,68,98 35,230,0,10,45,94 71,240,16,0,0,91 98,250,40,0,0,91 117,260,81,0,0,86 127,270,97,15,225,82 134,280,119,21,203,72 151,290,211,26,248,78 157,300,279,36,225,71 149,300,255,31,248,70 131,290,177,21,270,75 78,280,72,0,0,71 20,270,0,15,68,76 2,260,0,46,90,88 0,250,0,41,90,89 0,250,0,36,68,88 0,240,0,31,68,93 0,240,0,15,68,93 0,230,0,0,0,99 * day 27 month 7 0,230,0,21,68,94 0,230,0,0,0,94 0,230,0,15,68,96 0,230,0,26,68,98 0,230,0,21,23,98 0,230,0,21,68,98 23,230,0,21,68,97 19,240,0,15,68,97 3,240,0,0,0,93 40,220,0,0,0,93 97,220,31,0,0,97 121,230,72,26,68,93 129,240,95,26,68,93 128,250,66,26,68,87 112,250,59,21,68,86 86,250,41,21,68,86 53,260,0,31,68,85 28,240,0,26,68,88 2,240,0,31,68,89 0,240,0,26,68,89 0,240,0,21,68,90 0,230,0,21,68,93 0,230,0,15,68,93 0,230,0,31,68,93 * day 28 month 7 0,230,0,36,68,92 0,220,0,21,68,98 0,210,0,26,90,99 0,200,0,15,68,99 0,210,0,21,68,99 0,210,0,31,68,99 27,220,0,31,68,100 49,220,0,36,68,98 55,230,0,51,68,92 74,230,0,41,45,95 109,240,0,41,68,87 124,240,0,36,68,87 123,250,0,51,68,83 85,260,0,46,90,81 58,260,0,36,68,79 57,250,0,36,68,78 65,250,10,31,68,78 79,240,60,36,68,87 37,240,79,36,68,87 2,230,0,15,68,93 0,220,0,15,45,98 0,210,0,31,68,99 0,200,0,36,68,99 0,200,0,36,68,99 * day 29 month 7 0,200,0,26,68,99 0,210,0,26,68,99 0,220,0,21,45,98 0,230,0,31,68,92 0,230,0,26,90,92 29,240,43,26,68,85 79,250,106,36,68,83 113,250,334,26,68,85 140,260,445,36,68,84 155,270,431,26,45,84 163,280,430,26,68,77 165,290,373,26,45,78 165,300,349,31,45,71 163,310,356,15,68,71 133,300,205,10,45,74 95,290,33,0,0,74 100,280,219,0,0,89 86,270,263,0,0,91 33,270,26,0,0,85 1,260,0,0,0,88 0,250,0,31,68,93 0,240,0,31,90,99 0,240,0,36,68,99 0,230,0,31,68,99 * day 30 month 7 0,230,0,26,68,99 0,220,0,21,45,100 0,220,0,15,90,98 0,230,0,15,68,99 0,240,0,15,68,94 36,250,108,36,68,88 84,250,215,15,68,91 115,270,402,15,68,86 137,280,509,21,45,84 154,300,508,41,68,76 163,300,488,36,68,75 167,310,488,41,68,73 169,330,485,26,68,67 165,330,457,21,90,65 152,330,336,15,68,64 141,330,284,26,68,59 122,320,266,36,68,62 72,320,99,26,68,64 20,310,0,31,68,66 0,300,0,36,68,68 0,290,0,31,68,70 0,290,0,21,68,70 0,290,0,51,68,72 0,280,0,51,68,70 * day 31 month 7 0,280,0,46,68,68 0,280,0,46,68,69 0,280,0,26,68,69 0,270,0,26,45,79 0,260,0,36,68,78 0,250,0,36,68,85 31,240,0,36,68,88 70,260,20,15,45,81 101,260,49,26,90,78 121,260,94,36,68,83 136,280,135,15,68,77 141,290,143,0,0,76 141,300,144,51,360,74 138,300,73,36,360,71 120,290,53,36,225,80 77,290,45,31,203,79 42,280,0,41,225,80 36,270,0,36,203,83 12,270,0,36,225,78 0,260,0,51,360,84 0,260,0,41,360,86 0,250,0,36,360,91 0,250,0,41,360,91 0,240,0,36,360,95 * day 1 month 8 0,250,0,0,0,84 0,240,0,0,0,88 0,240,0,21,135,89 0,240,0,0,0,91 0,250,0,31,180,85 0,250,0,31,180,82 30,260,0,31,180,76 45,260,0,51,180,78 65,270,3,51,180,67 100,270,22,41,180,70 126,270,22,41,180,76 147,280,0,51,180,70 143,280,0,41,180,74 124,290,27,41,180,80 117,280,77,113,180,79 123,270,122,113,203,82 119,270,228,51,203,79 90,260,204,72,203,83 37,260,40,51,225,84 5,250,0,31,225,89 0,240,0,31,203,96 0,240,0,21,203,96 0,230,0,31,203,99 0,230,0,41,203,99 * day 2 month 8 0,230,0,51,203,94 0,240,0,41,180,91 0,240,0,41,203,91 0,240,0,41,203,91 0,250,0,46,203,85 0,250,0,41,203,85 30,260,0,41,203,82 69,270,12,51,203,76 95,270,38,41,203,74 116,280,77,62,203,71 128,280,100,41,225,75 136,290,127,46,180,71 154,300,244,62,180,65 158,300,301,62,180,64 152,290,293,67,180,69 126,290,193,72,180,68 91,280,40,98,180,74 66,270,15,51,180,74 36,270,5,67,225,79 9,260,0,36,225,85 0,250,0,41,203,94 0,250,0,51,203,91 0,240,0,51,203,97 0,240,0,51,203,97 * day 3 month 8 0,230,0,51,203,98 0,230,0,51,203,97 0,220,0,51,203,99 0,220,0,67,203,100 0,230,0,72,203,97 0,240,0,57,225,98 0,250,0,51,203,90 9,250,0,51,203,88 29,250,0,36,225,92 56,260,0,51,203,87 90,270,0,51,203,81 122,270,0,46,225,81 110,280,0,51,225,76 88,280,0,51,225,76 86,290,0,51,225,69 65,270,0,51,225,79 44,260,0,36,225,85 58,250,35,36,225,88 48,240,67,15,203,92 15,240,0,15,203,98 0,240,0,0,0,99 0,230,0,15,225,93 0,230,0,15,225,99 0,220,0,0,0,98 * day 4 month 8 0,220,0,15,225,97 0,210,0,0,0,99 0,220,0,0,0,98 0,230,0,0,0,99 0,240,0,0,0,93 0,250,0,0,0,89 29,250,0,0,0,88 51,260,0,0,0,90 85,270,33,21,203,83 131,280,172,21,203,77 147,280,209,21,203,78 145,290,174,31,180,74 152,290,217,31,203,75 157,300,290,41,225,70 149,290,278,41,203,77 126,280,148,31,225,80 109,280,119,41,225,79 91,270,222,26,225,85 50,270,219,21,225,85 23,260,0,0,0,84 0,250,0,0,0,89 0,250,0,0,0,91 0,240,0,0,0,97 0,240,0,0,0,98 * day 5 month 8 0,240,0,0,0,98 0,240,0,15,203,97 0,230,0,15,203,99 0,220,0,21,203,99 0,220,0,0,0,99 21,210,3,31,203,99 62,220,27,21,203,97 99,230,81,26,203,99 121,240,126,41,203,91 120,260,94,51,203,80 113,270,55,62,203,80 128,280,101,51,203,80 140,280,138,62,225,76 117,270,66,51,203,79 87,260,0,62,225,79 90,260,27,41,225,90 92,250,43,51,203,91 57,250,16,62,225,85 21,250,0,62,203,83 3,240,0,62,203,92 0,240,0,51,203,89 0,230,0,51,203,97 0,220,0,51,203,97 0,220,0,51,203,99 * day 6 month 8 0,220,0,51,203,99 0,230,0,51,203,94 0,230,0,51,203,96 0,240,0,51,203,93 0,240,0,51,203,93 0,250,0,41,203,91 27,250,0,82,203,90 51,260,1,62,225,87 60,260,0,46,225,83 63,270,0,77,225,78 104,270,58,41,225,79 128,280,94,51,203,72 107,280,37,51,203,73 95,270,0,51,225,77 95,260,0,41,225,84 87,260,7,31,203,84 67,250,8,46,225,88 43,250,0,36,225,87 23,240,0,26,203,94 6,240,0,26,225,94 0,230,0,21,203,93 0,230,0,0,0,93 0,220,0,21,203,98 0,220,0,0,0,98 * day 7 month 8 0,230,0,0,0,93 0,220,0,36,225,93 0,220,0,21,203,93 0,220,0,0,0,94 0,220,0,0,0,93 0,220,0,0,0,93 23,230,0,0,0,93 70,230,37,0,0,94 116,240,107,0,0,91 133,250,142,0,0,89 140,260,154,0,0,85 151,270,213,0,0,81 162,280,324,0,0,73 163,300,383,0,0,74 156,290,377,0,0,77 142,290,345,0,0,71 116,280,212,0,0,72 85,270,95,10,225,72 40,260,74,15,203,76 8,240,0,0,0,82 0,250,0,0,0,83 0,230,0,0,0,91 0,230,0,0,0,85 0,230,0,0,0,95 * day 8 month 8 0,230,0,0,0,94 0,230,0,0,0,96 0,230,0,0,0,96 0,220,0,0,0,93 0,220,0,0,0,94 13,220,0,0,0,87 47,230,10,0,0,96 93,230,69,21,68,86 129,240,212,21,68,94 137,260,204,0,0,87 145,270,236,0,0,82 162,280,312,0,0,77 155,280,241,21,225,76 155,290,273,21,203,75 144,300,243,41,203,74 130,300,178,46,203,70 119,290,208,46,203,69 84,280,127,41,203,72 36,270,24,21,225,77 7,250,0,21,225,81 0,250,0,0,0,81 0,240,0,0,0,80 0,240,0,0,0,81 0,230,0,0,0,87 * day 9 month 8 0,230,0,0,0,90 0,220,0,15,225,95 0,210,0,0,0,99 0,210,0,0,0,96 0,220,0,0,0,93 22,220,14,0,0,76 70,230,185,0,0,85 115,240,316,0,0,89 137,260,365,0,0,76 154,270,426,0,0,72 154,280,315,0,0,65 155,280,249,0,0,67 164,300,343,26,203,68 163,290,376,26,225,67 154,300,336,26,225,65 141,300,357,26,225,65 121,300,363,26,225,65 85,290,187,21,225,68 37,280,42,21,248,77 8,260,0,0,0,75 0,250,0,0,0,80 0,240,0,0,0,81 0,230,0,0,0,96 0,230,0,0,0,93 * day 10 month 8 0,230,0,0,0,94 0,230,0,0,0,94 0,220,0,0,0,99 0,220,0,0,0,97 0,230,0,0,0,95 23,230,23,0,0,88 71,240,160,0,0,88 115,250,295,0,0,90 135,260,281,0,0,84 149,270,368,0,0,59 160,280,412,15,180,72 164,290,362,15,203,60 166,300,379,26,203,66 163,310,419,15,225,70 156,320,440,15,225,56 142,310,395,15,225,63 121,310,342,0,0,65 85,300,198,0,0,66 33,280,48,0,0,69 2,270,0,0,0,75 0,260,0,0,0,79 0,260,0,0,0,78 0,250,0,0,0,86 0,250,0,0,0,87 * day 11 month 8 0,240,0,0,0,91 0,240,0,0,0,91 0,230,0,0,0,97 0,230,0,0,0,93 0,230,0,0,0,99 24,230,69,0,0,93 76,230,215,0,0,94 114,250,361,0,0,85 137,270,394,0,0,79 148,300,305,0,0,73 155,290,291,0,0,75 165,300,404,0,0,71 167,320,475,0,0,68 164,320,481,0,0,63 155,330,428,0,0,65 142,320,399,0,0,69 120,310,347,21,338,73 83,300,172,15,293,67 34,290,34,0,0,74 5,280,0,10,225,79 0,260,0,0,0,77 0,260,0,0,0,80 0,260,0,0,0,80 0,260,0,0,0,86 * day 12 month 8 0,250,0,0,0,86 0,250,0,0,0,88 0,240,0,0,0,90 0,240,0,0,0,89 0,240,0,0,0,90 10,230,0,0,0,92 56,230,72,0,0,91 110,250,234,0,0,84 137,270,331,0,0,77 151,290,368,0,0,71 162,300,427,0,0,67 166,310,419,0,0,63 163,310,342,21,225,63 159,320,313,21,225,58 154,310,341,21,225,59 134,310,250,21,225,53 107,300,109,21,248,64 73,290,49,26,225,69 31,270,16,0,0,76 2,260,0,0,0,79 0,260,0,0,0,80 0,250,0,0,0,84 0,250,0,0,0,85 0,250,0,0,0,85 * day 13 month 8 0,240,0,0,0,86 0,230,0,0,0,90 0,240,0,0,0,91 0,230,0,0,0,89 0,230,0,0,0,86 24,220,86,0,0,91 77,230,186,0,0,90 110,250,187,0,0,93 130,260,222,0,0,77 150,280,337,0,0,73 162,300,450,0,0,68 166,300,492,0,0,66 167,300,501,0,0,67 163,310,500,0,0,63 150,320,357,15,225,64 131,310,194,26,225,58 115,300,197,26,225,65 84,280,166,21,225,78 29,280,67,0,0,85 1,270,0,0,0,81 0,260,0,0,0,84 0,250,0,0,0,90 0,250,0,0,0,90 0,250,0,0,0,90 * day 14 month 8 0,250,0,0,0,91 0,250,0,0,0,93 0,240,0,0,0,93 0,240,0,0,0,93 0,240,0,15,68,93 19,240,5,21,68,93 60,240,38,21,68,89 105,250,154,15,68,88 134,250,248,21,68,87 140,270,206,21,68,82 136,290,137,15,45,78 142,290,158,15,360,75 142,290,159,0,0,73 126,290,72,15,45,72 100,280,17,15,23,78 81,280,5,21,68,79 64,280,2,21,45,83 40,270,2,21,23,78 10,270,0,21,23,78 0,260,0,21,23,84 0,260,0,26,68,86 0,250,0,26,68,87 0,250,0,0,0,88 0,250,0,0,0,84 * day 15 month 8 0,250,0,0,0,90 0,240,0,10,45,90 0,240,0,15,68,89 0,240,0,21,68,93 0,240,0,41,45,93 14,240,0,41,68,86 55,240,29,46,68,92 104,250,199,41,68,86 116,270,180,31,45,80 105,270,22,26,45,81 88,270,0,0,0,85 48,270,0,36,68,84 23,280,0,21,68,89 17,260,0,0,0,89 19,240,0,0,0,92 26,240,0,15,225,94 26,240,0,0,0,94 19,240,0,15,225,95 6,240,0,0,0,91 1,230,0,21,23,92 0,230,0,0,0,96 0,220,0,62,45,94 0,230,0,0,0,95 0,230,0,0,0,96 * day 16 month 8 0,230,0,41,68,92 0,230,0,31,45,91 0,230,0,36,68,93 0,230,0,41,68,93 0,230,0,62,68,95 0,230,0,51,68,93 51,240,73,41,68,91 109,260,217,41,68,87 135,270,397,46,45,82 151,290,495,41,45,80 159,280,411,36,68,79 156,290,261,26,68,77 152,310,219,15,45,74 147,310,199,0,0,75 140,300,188,0,0,75 126,300,159,0,0,74 108,290,134,0,0,80 81,280,131,0,0,70 34,270,85,0,0,74 7,260,0,0,0,87 0,250,0,0,0,83 0,250,0,0,0,90 0,240,0,0,0,97 0,240,0,31,45,99 * day 17 month 8 0,250,0,41,68,91 0,260,0,46,68,81 0,250,0,31,68,80 0,240,0,15,45,85 0,240,0,15,45,86 23,230,50,15,45,86 70,240,262,0,0,85 109,260,456,21,68,76 130,280,557,26,45,70 148,290,564,41,45,65 160,300,530,41,45,64 164,300,436,46,68,61 165,310,398,41,45,59 162,310,508,51,68,58 152,310,504,46,68,55 138,310,491,51,68,54 112,300,527,51,45,55 78,290,397,51,45,57 40,280,140,51,45,62 14,270,0,51,45,60 0,260,0,31,45,64 0,250,0,31,45,62 0,240,0,15,45,66 0,240,0,21,45,67 * day 18 month 8 0,240,0,0,0,68 0,230,0,31,45,69 0,230,0,36,45,70 0,220,0,36,68,72 0,210,0,0,0,74 0,210,0,0,0,77 51,220,197,0,0,75 110,240,409,15,45,66 134,250,498,46,45,65 150,260,520,51,45,63 160,280,530,41,45,55 165,280,541,51,45,53 165,290,552,51,45,55 160,290,559,67,45,55 151,290,559,67,45,55 135,300,557,51,45,55 110,290,541,51,45,55 76,280,450,41,45,54 31,280,163,31,45,54 7,260,0,31,45,58 0,250,0,15,45,63 0,250,0,15,45,63 0,240,0,26,45,62 0,240,0,26,45,66 * day 19 month 8 0,230,0,21,68,70 0,230,0,41,68,64 0,230,0,21,68,65 0,220,0,36,68,72 0,210,0,51,45,75 0,210,0,46,45,73 60,220,226,51,45,69 109,240,426,41,68,69 134,250,497,46,45,65 150,270,516,57,68,65 160,280,493,26,45,65 166,300,490,41,68,65 166,310,500,41,68,64 162,320,495,41,68,69 154,320,475,31,23,67 140,320,414,26,68,65 117,330,327,15,68,66 78,310,172,0,0,64 26,310,50,0,0,66 1,300,0,0,0,69 0,280,0,0,0,78 0,280,0,0,0,83 0,270,0,0,0,86 0,270,0,0,0,92 * day 20 month 8 0,260,0,0,0,88 0,260,0,0,0,88 0,250,0,0,0,92 0,250,0,0,0,91 0,250,0,0,0,92 17,240,23,0,0,91 65,250,135,0,0,84 109,280,350,0,0,80 135,290,398,0,0,76 137,300,224,0,0,68 142,320,191,0,0,67 151,310,224,0,0,70 154,320,242,15,225,64 158,320,330,0,0,70 150,320,313,21,225,68 128,310,193,31,225,64 106,300,119,21,225,67 72,290,76,21,225,75 24,280,22,21,225,78 1,270,0,26,225,85 0,260,0,0,0,79 0,260,0,0,0,83 0,260,0,0,0,81 0,260,0,0,0,82 * day 21 month 8 0,250,0,0,0,89 0,250,0,0,0,88 0,240,0,0,0,91 0,240,0,0,0,91 0,240,0,0,0,93 0,240,0,0,0,93 47,240,15,0,0,92 98,250,137,0,0,91 134,270,331,0,0,83 151,290,411,0,0,87 158,280,350,0,0,81 160,290,307,0,0,74 162,310,322,0,0,69 160,310,372,0,0,70 143,310,278,0,0,70 115,300,102,0,0,71 105,300,152,0,0,76 78,300,171,0,0,72 28,290,71,0,0,72 3,280,0,0,0,73 0,270,0,0,0,88 0,260,0,0,0,88 0,260,0,0,0,91 0,250,0,21,225,92 * day 22 month 8 0,250,0,26,203,93 0,250,0,15,225,95 0,250,0,0,0,93 0,240,0,0,0,94 0,240,0,0,0,91 0,240,0,26,225,90 53,240,38,21,225,91 104,240,208,21,203,88 135,260,356,26,203,78 149,270,336,31,225,78 158,280,392,46,225,73 165,300,442,46,203,66 165,300,411,51,225,67 160,300,376,62,225,63 150,310,320,51,225,62 137,300,345,62,225,66 115,290,321,41,225,75 79,290,240,31,225,75 24,280,114,31,225,77 1,270,0,21,225,80 0,260,0,31,225,87 0,250,0,31,225,96 0,250,0,26,225,91 0,250,0,26,225,92 * day 23 month 8 0,250,0,5,225,93 0,250,0,31,225,93 0,240,0,31,225,92 0,230,0,46,225,99 0,240,0,41,225,93 0,250,0,31,225,84 0,260,0,36,203,73 26,260,0,21,225,78 53,270,8,21,225,74 106,270,50,21,225,70 95,280,44,41,225,68 83,280,0,26,225,66 112,270,0,0,0,68 108,270,0,51,68,67 81,260,0,51,68,65 63,250,0,46,45,68 38,250,0,31,45,65 19,240,0,51,45,72 7,230,0,31,45,79 1,220,0,51,45,84 0,210,0,51,45,84 0,200,0,51,45,86 0,190,0,41,45,88 0,180,0,31,45,94 * day 24 month 8 0,180,0,46,45,96 0,170,0,46,45,99 0,170,0,36,45,98 0,180,0,31,45,89 0,190,0,31,23,84 0,190,0,41,23,84 23,200,0,41,23,78 73,200,51,51,23,73 121,210,149,31,45,67 145,220,328,41,45,67 159,220,515,41,45,59 164,230,536,62,45,61 164,240,419,41,45,60 154,240,274,31,45,59 135,250,165,31,45,60 119,250,115,31,45,54 107,240,164,31,45,59 74,230,158,36,45,58 24,220,53,21,45,62 3,210,0,26,45,75 0,210,0,15,360,69 0,200,0,0,0,69 0,200,0,0,0,74 0,190,0,0,0,77 * day 25 month 8 0,190,0,0,0,76 0,180,0,21,23,79 0,170,0,21,23,73 0,160,0,0,0,77 0,160,0,0,0,74 17,150,20,0,0,80 59,160,316,0,0,77 102,180,540,0,0,69 128,200,575,0,0,64 147,220,580,0,0,56 157,240,570,0,0,56 163,260,565,0,0,53 163,270,570,0,0,50 158,280,565,0,0,52 150,280,540,0,0,55 126,270,633,0,0,55 98,260,558,0,0,52 66,260,190,0,0,49 19,250,22,0,0,55 0,240,0,0,0,56 0,230,0,0,0,64 0,220,0,0,0,74 0,210,0,0,0,78 0,200,0,0,0,81 * day 26 month 8 0,190,0,0,0,77 0,190,0,0,0,79 0,190,0,15,68,79 0,180,0,0,0,81 0,180,0,0,0,83 15,180,9,0,0,76 57,180,292,21,68,73 102,200,530,15,45,74 128,220,578,31,68,69 147,240,568,0,0,62 158,260,552,0,0,45 164,280,512,0,0,48 165,290,472,0,0,52 160,300,487,0,0,53 151,300,500,0,0,51 135,290,468,36,225,55 112,270,399,41,203,63 63,260,209,26,225,60 17,240,14,26,225,64 1,240,0,0,0,68 0,220,0,0,0,74 0,220,0,0,0,72 0,220,0,0,0,75 0,210,0,0,0,77 * day 27 month 8 0,210,0,0,0,78 0,210,0,0,0,79 0,200,0,0,0,82 0,200,0,0,0,89 0,200,0,15,68,85 17,190,28,15,68,82 65,200,235,15,68,80 108,220,372,21,45,80 134,240,429,21,45,72 150,250,477,21,68,66 159,270,494,0,0,59 164,270,508,0,0,61 164,290,529,0,0,59 159,290,536,0,0,49 150,290,516,0,0,55 134,290,390,26,68,50 110,280,235,21,68,50 72,280,314,15,68,52 27,260,101,0,0,71 8,250,0,0,0,65 0,240,0,21,68,62 0,240,0,26,68,66 0,230,0,15,45,68 0,200,0,0,0,78 * day 28 month 8 0,210,0,21,68,60 0,200,0,15,68,62 0,200,0,0,0,62 0,190,0,15,68,62 0,190,0,0,0,63 0,170,0,0,0,68 55,180,123,0,0,65 108,200,302,21,45,71 129,220,284,31,68,58 142,220,238,41,45,60 152,230,269,41,45,57 159,230,330,31,45,59 165,250,430,31,45,55 159,250,391,51,45,56 148,250,301,21,45,58 129,250,214,31,45,56 93,250,87,31,45,56 42,250,10,15,45,58 7,240,0,36,45,63 0,230,0,62,68,61 0,230,0,72,68,59 0,220,0,41,45,58 0,220,0,62,45,57 0,190,0,41,45,73 * day 29 month 8 0,180,0,51,45,77 0,180,0,77,45,77 0,170,0,62,45,80 0,170,0,72,45,81 0,170,0,62,45,81 0,160,0,72,45,85 26,160,0,62,45,83 80,170,83,51,45,78 86,180,72,62,45,81 84,180,28,67,45,79 112,190,55,72,45,80 127,210,104,93,45,72 137,220,135,98,45,65 121,230,84,103,45,68 78,240,26,103,23,66 45,250,0,103,23,65 48,260,0,103,23,62 31,260,0,93,23,66 7,250,0,72,23,68 0,240,0,72,23,77 0,240,0,51,23,82 0,230,0,72,23,92 0,230,0,62,23,89 0,220,0,62,23,98 * day 30 month 8 0,200,0,62,23,99 0,210,0,72,23,99 0,220,0,62,23,99 0,230,0,41,23,92 0,240,0,77,90,96 0,240,0,21,158,85 21,250,0,46,158,74 30,250,0,0,0,67 47,260,0,21,23,65 57,260,0,46,23,65 83,270,0,41,23,61 101,270,0,31,23,63 97,260,0,21,360,66 101,250,17,0,0,68 97,240,17,0,0,76 83,230,10,0,0,82 65,220,8,0,0,83 40,210,1,0,0,90 13,200,9,0,0,97 0,200,0,0,0,95 0,190,0,0,0,96 0,190,0,0,0,99 0,180,0,0,0,99 0,180,0,0,0,98 * day 31 month 8 0,170,0,0,0,99 0,170,0,0,0,98 0,170,0,0,0,99 0,180,0,0,0,99 0,190,0,0,0,99 0,200,0,0,0,98 0,200,0,0,0,99 23,210,0,0,0,97 50,220,0,0,0,96 86,230,38,0,0,83 130,230,123,0,0,86 135,240,133,0,0,80 135,240,129,0,0,85 135,250,138,0,0,82 133,250,164,0,0,81 126,240,184,0,0,90 94,240,92,0,0,87 56,230,21,0,0,94 16,230,9,0,0,92 1,220,0,0,0,97 0,210,0,0,0,98 0,200,0,62,23,97 0,190,0,41,23,96 0,180,0,62,23,94 * day 1 month 9 0,180,0,51,45,86 0,170,0,57,45,92 0,180,0,51,45,79 0,190,0,57,45,77 0,200,0,67,45,72 0,210,0,72,68,66 33,210,1,62,45,67 74,220,28,62,68,64 110,230,95,72,68,61 136,240,192,62,45,60 154,250,301,57,45,58 163,260,400,51,68,57 164,270,440,51,90,57 159,280,411,67,68,56 150,280,392,51,45,57 134,270,422,51,45,55 107,260,343,36,68,59 66,250,191,41,90,60 15,240,48,41,45,65 1,230,0,46,45,66 0,220,0,41,45,68 0,210,0,51,45,75 0,210,0,46,45,67 0,200,0,51,45,71 * day 2 month 9 0,200,0,36,45,70 0,190,0,46,45,74 0,190,0,36,45,74 0,180,0,41,45,77 0,180,0,41,68,74 0,180,0,36,68,77 35,190,5,31,68,72 90,200,152,36,68,69 131,210,284,41,90,66 145,220,286,31,90,65 145,230,220,31,68,63 143,240,167,36,68,57 138,250,147,41,90,57 128,240,106,36,90,62 108,230,62,31,90,73 76,220,15,10,90,83 35,210,0,0,0,88 8,210,0,10,135,86 1,200,0,21,68,91 0,200,0,26,68,91 0,200,0,21,90,91 0,190,0,10,45,97 0,190,0,21,45,97 0,190,0,15,90,97 * day 3 month 9 0,190,0,21,113,97 0,180,0,21,113,98 0,190,0,10,135,99 0,190,0,15,180,99 0,200,0,26,180,98 0,200,0,15,180,99 0,200,0,21,180,98 0,210,0,21,180,99 17,210,0,26,180,99 49,220,0,10,180,100 62,230,0,10,180,94 66,240,0,0,0,88 105,250,55,0,0,86 102,240,56,0,0,97 72,240,0,0,0,98 49,230,0,0,0,99 29,220,0,10,68,99 30,220,1,0,0,100 12,210,1,10,90,98 0,210,0,0,0,99 0,210,0,0,0,98 0,200,0,0,0,99 0,200,0,0,0,99 0,200,0,0,0,99 * day 4 month 9 0,200,0,0,0,98 0,190,0,0,0,99 0,190,0,26,45,96 0,180,0,10,45,99 0,180,0,15,68,99 0,190,0,15,45,99 19,190,0,10,68,97 55,200,6,15,68,94 83,200,17,15,68,97 109,210,71,10,68,91 140,220,172,15,45,87 156,230,293,10,68,81 160,240,471,15,45,76 156,250,552,21,45,72 148,240,516,21,45,81 126,230,343,21,45,82 101,230,140,15,68,79 56,220,81,15,68,82 14,220,0,15,45,83 0,210,0,10,68,88 0,210,0,10,68,85 0,200,0,10,68,91 0,200,0,10,68,92 0,200,0,10,68,86 * day 5 month 9 0,200,0,10,45,86 0,200,0,10,68,89 0,200,0,10,68,89 0,210,0,0,0,83 0,210,0,0,0,86 0,210,0,0,0,93 26,210,0,0,0,86 81,220,183,0,0,81 128,240,259,0,0,80 143,250,300,0,0,73 158,250,454,0,0,78 160,260,565,0,0,77 152,270,684,0,0,72 141,280,751,0,0,68 134,290,690,0,0,60 120,290,655,0,0,61 93,280,530,0,0,68 59,270,240,0,0,71 21,260,29,10,225,76 0,250,0,0,0,82 0,250,0,0,0,82 0,240,0,0,0,87 0,230,0,0,0,92 0,230,0,0,0,91 * day 6 month 9 0,230,0,0,0,87 0,220,0,0,0,95 0,220,0,0,0,95 0,210,0,0,0,97 0,210,0,0,0,97 0,200,0,0,0,98 52,200,184,0,0,97 104,210,364,0,0,98 131,220,401,0,0,94 145,230,492,10,90,90 154,250,600,10,45,84 158,270,619,10,90,76 159,280,597,0,0,76 156,280,457,0,0,76 117,290,184,0,0,73 101,280,142,0,0,81 105,270,314,0,0,88 58,270,255,0,0,87 21,260,23,0,0,88 0,250,0,0,0,93 0,250,0,15,45,87 0,240,0,26,45,89 0,240,0,15,68,87 0,230,0,21,45,90 * day 7 month 9 0,230,0,15,68,92 0,230,0,21,68,93 0,230,0,21,68,81 0,220,0,0,0,86 0,220,0,10,68,87 0,210,0,15,90,92 0,210,0,10,68,90 19,200,0,10,68,95 36,210,0,10,45,92 58,220,0,21,45,87 86,230,0,10,45,84 106,230,0,0,0,83 114,240,0,0,0,82 112,240,6,15,68,79 83,250,12,15,68,72 74,240,7,15,45,76 53,230,8,10,68,85 22,230,0,0,0,85 8,220,0,0,0,90 0,220,0,0,0,90 0,210,0,0,0,96 0,210,0,10,68,96 0,210,0,10,68,96 0,210,0,0,0,96 * day 8 month 9 0,200,0,0,0,95 0,200,0,0,0,95 0,190,0,10,90,99 0,190,0,0,0,99 0,180,0,0,0,100 0,190,0,0,0,98 0,200,0,0,0,97 19,210,0,0,0,95 47,220,0,10,158,86 63,220,0,10,158,92 58,230,0,10,180,93 73,250,0,15,180,83 88,260,0,0,0,78 92,270,7,0,0,76 100,270,38,0,0,76 98,280,48,10,180,75 72,270,24,0,0,76 35,260,2,10,203,85 8,250,0,10,180,85 0,250,0,10,203,87 0,240,0,10,203,89 0,240,0,10,180,92 0,230,0,0,0,97 0,230,0,0,0,92 * day 9 month 9 0,230,0,0,0,98 0,220,0,0,0,98 0,210,0,0,0,97 0,210,0,0,0,97 0,210,0,0,0,97 0,210,0,0,0,97 38,220,8,0,0,91 87,220,93,0,0,90 126,230,217,0,0,89 137,240,214,0,0,85 123,230,80,0,0,87 94,240,0,0,0,77 65,240,0,10,315,80 48,250,0,26,360,67 44,250,0,21,360,64 49,240,0,10,360,68 38,240,0,10,360,68 16,230,0,15,360,66 5,230,0,0,0,69 0,220,0,0,0,71 0,220,0,0,0,67 0,200,0,0,0,76 0,200,0,0,0,76 0,190,0,0,0,85 * day 10 month 9 0,190,0,0,0,80 0,190,0,0,0,80 0,180,0,0,0,85 0,180,0,0,0,85 0,170,0,0,0,88 0,170,0,0,0,86 42,180,36,0,0,80 97,180,155,0,0,80 121,190,183,0,0,76 135,190,192,0,0,75 144,190,212,0,0,81 144,200,180,0,0,74 145,210,188,0,0,75 140,220,174,0,0,74 136,230,206,0,0,70 127,240,247,0,0,66 100,230,341,15,23,65 48,220,273,15,45,64 14,220,5,21,45,63 0,210,0,15,90,67 0,200,0,21,45,66 0,190,0,15,45,71 0,180,0,10,45,74 0,180,0,10,68,75 * day 11 month 9 0,170,0,0,0,81 0,170,0,10,45,83 0,160,0,0,0,79 0,150,0,0,0,87 0,150,0,10,68,81 0,160,0,10,68,77 44,170,198,10,45,69 98,180,433,10,68,66 123,190,573,10,45,61 138,190,632,15,68,67 148,220,670,15,45,48 151,230,685,15,45,49 150,250,695,10,68,45 145,260,685,10,68,41 135,260,662,10,68,40 117,260,627,10,68,39 93,260,481,0,0,45 42,250,226,0,0,49 7,230,0,0,0,54 0,220,0,0,0,59 0,210,0,0,0,62 0,210,0,15,68,64 0,200,0,21,68,66 0,190,0,21,45,67 * day 12 month 9 0,190,0,15,68,63 0,180,0,15,45,69 0,180,0,0,0,67 0,170,0,0,0,73 0,170,0,0,0,69 0,180,0,0,0,66 47,190,206,15,45,64 102,190,347,10,68,68 129,200,423,21,68,61 143,210,541,15,68,59 150,220,636,21,45,54 152,230,678,15,45,54 150,240,692,10,68,53 145,250,683,15,45,49 134,260,665,10,45,50 114,260,666,10,45,50 87,250,531,10,45,49 47,240,228,0,0,54 12,240,1,0,0,57 0,230,0,0,0,61 0,230,0,21,45,60 0,220,0,26,45,64 0,220,0,21,45,54 0,210,0,10,23,55 * day 13 month 9 0,210,0,21,68,60 0,200,0,10,68,64 0,200,0,15,45,64 0,190,0,21,68,69 0,180,0,21,338,72 0,190,0,21,360,68 47,190,84,10,23,66 100,200,208,15,45,64 124,200,224,36,45,68 141,210,286,26,45,67 156,220,378,31,45,61 160,230,433,31,45,55 160,240,450,21,68,53 155,250,373,10,68,49 140,240,269,10,68,55 116,230,145,10,68,56 92,230,105,26,90,54 55,220,90,15,68,54 20,220,0,0,0,60 0,210,0,15,23,65 0,210,0,15,45,65 0,200,0,21,68,69 0,200,0,15,45,68 0,190,0,10,68,69 * day 14 month 9 0,190,0,10,45,68 0,190,0,0,0,68 0,180,0,0,0,72 0,180,0,0,0,73 0,180,0,0,0,76 0,170,0,0,0,81 42,180,184,10,68,76 97,180,178,21,68,73 110,190,99,21,45,71 126,200,126,26,45,68 136,210,152,21,45,64 148,220,229,21,45,63 158,230,373,26,45,63 152,240,534,15,45,60 137,250,443,21,45,59 120,250,185,15,45,59 85,240,77,26,45,64 41,230,21,15,45,68 9,220,0,15,45,68 0,210,0,15,23,80 0,210,0,15,45,73 0,200,0,15,45,71 0,200,0,21,45,68 0,200,0,21,45,66 * day 15 month 9 0,200,0,31,45,70 0,190,0,21,45,78 0,190,0,26,45,76 0,180,0,26,45,81 0,190,0,15,45,76 0,190,0,21,45,76 45,200,59,21,45,69 98,200,193,21,45,66 123,210,448,15,45,66 138,230,620,15,45,63 149,250,643,26,45,52 152,260,662,21,68,58 150,270,686,15,45,56 143,270,688,15,90,56 131,280,675,15,68,57 114,270,632,26,68,60 87,270,392,21,45,60 50,260,102,21,68,62 15,250,0,21,45,68 0,240,0,21,45,68 0,230,0,10,45,70 0,220,0,15,45,72 0,220,0,10,68,73 0,210,0,21,45,77 * day 16 month 9 0,210,0,10,68,79 0,210,0,0,0,80 0,200,0,0,0,84 0,200,0,0,0,84 0,190,0,0,0,90 0,190,0,0,0,94 0,190,0,0,0,91 80,210,77,0,0,83 123,230,279,0,0,75 145,250,430,0,0,67 155,260,505,0,0,64 157,270,579,0,0,63 157,280,576,0,0,59 154,280,495,10,315,60 141,280,526,0,0,62 112,270,654,26,225,61 74,270,708,15,248,64 56,260,298,10,248,67 40,240,0,10,248,73 0,230,0,10,203,81 0,230,0,10,225,81 0,220,0,0,0,93 0,200,0,0,0,95 0,200,0,0,0,95 * day 17 month 9 0,200,0,0,0,89 0,190,0,0,0,91 0,190,0,0,0,91 0,190,0,0,0,91 0,180,0,0,0,96 0,180,0,0,0,96 36,180,9,0,0,96 85,190,94,0,0,91 122,210,187,0,0,85 140,220,248,0,0,80 148,220,245,0,0,77 154,240,313,0,0,73 158,240,363,0,0,69 152,250,400,0,0,58 143,270,444,0,0,55 123,250,299,0,0,51 92,250,158,0,0,63 45,250,88,0,0,63 12,230,0,0,0,69 0,230,0,0,0,66 0,230,0,0,0,73 0,220,0,0,0,73 0,220,0,0,0,74 0,210,0,0,0,75 * day 18 month 9 0,210,0,0,0,75 0,200,0,0,0,86 0,200,0,0,0,83 0,190,0,0,0,88 0,190,0,0,0,80 0,200,0,0,0,78 29,200,1,36,158,75 63,210,10,26,158,65 92,220,37,41,180,75 84,230,27,51,180,72 69,230,0,21,248,61 92,240,0,10,225,67 113,240,31,15,225,69 108,250,51,10,248,63 116,240,130,10,248,67 122,230,285,0,0,69 93,220,306,0,0,60 45,200,191,21,248,60 14,180,0,15,248,69 0,160,0,10,270,69 0,160,0,10,270,71 0,150,0,0,0,74 0,150,0,10,338,67 0,150,0,0,0,66 * day 19 month 9 0,140,0,0,0,65 0,140,0,0,0,68 0,140,0,0,0,77 0,140,0,0,0,77 0,140,0,0,0,76 0,140,0,0,0,78 33,140,16,0,0,78 90,150,172,0,0,72 127,170,305,0,0,66 141,170,461,0,0,62 145,180,663,0,0,54 152,190,614,0,0,48 158,210,520,0,0,48 150,210,572,21,225,46 131,210,655,31,248,45 99,220,769,26,248,48 71,220,697,21,248,53 43,200,261,21,225,57 19,190,0,10,225,61 0,190,0,10,203,61 0,180,0,10,203,69 0,180,0,10,203,69 0,180,0,15,203,69 0,170,0,0,0,68 * day 20 month 9 0,170,0,0,0,81 0,160,0,0,0,84 0,150,0,0,0,84 0,140,0,0,0,87 0,140,0,0,0,90 0,130,0,0,0,93 37,130,20,0,0,89 90,150,144,0,0,84 124,180,371,0,0,76 142,200,516,0,0,69 151,220,573,0,0,68 155,230,599,0,0,66 149,250,668,21,248,58 136,250,744,31,225,56 124,250,715,31,225,62 110,240,619,31,225,68 81,240,554,31,225,72 40,220,250,26,225,66 14,210,0,21,225,71 0,200,0,10,203,76 0,200,0,15,225,78 0,190,0,0,0,77 0,190,0,0,0,78 0,180,0,0,0,78 * day 21 month 9 0,180,0,0,0,79 0,180,0,0,0,79 0,160,0,0,0,91 0,150,0,0,0,97 0,150,0,0,0,93 0,150,0,0,0,92 48,140,33,0,0,92 86,150,309,10,90,88 121,180,548,10,90,78 142,200,502,0,0,73 154,220,376,0,0,58 157,240,330,0,0,58 156,230,337,0,0,50 150,230,315,0,0,48 140,240,380,0,0,44 121,250,400,0,0,41 90,240,249,0,0,49 38,220,130,10,248,57 8,210,0,0,0,54 0,200,0,0,0,60 0,190,0,0,0,67 0,190,0,0,0,70 0,180,0,0,0,76 0,170,0,0,0,79 * day 22 month 9 0,170,0,0,0,85 0,160,0,0,0,88 0,160,0,0,0,83 0,150,0,0,0,84 0,150,0,0,0,87 0,150,0,15,68,88 41,150,112,0,0,88 97,150,205,10,90,88 124,170,271,10,90,81 142,190,308,10,45,72 154,200,370,0,0,68 158,210,463,0,0,65 157,230,529,0,0,57 149,240,413,0,0,54 136,240,241,0,0,55 117,230,208,26,248,60 88,230,272,0,0,61 37,220,188,10,225,71 9,210,0,10,225,77 0,200,0,0,0,82 0,200,0,0,0,82 0,190,0,0,0,89 0,190,0,0,0,91 0,190,0,0,0,91 * day 23 month 9 0,180,0,0,0,90 0,180,0,0,0,90 0,170,0,0,0,92 0,160,0,0,0,93 0,160,0,0,0,93 0,160,0,0,0,96 35,150,14,0,0,97 87,170,163,0,0,91 126,190,349,0,0,84 143,210,384,0,0,78 154,230,390,0,0,73 158,240,470,0,0,67 157,240,536,15,225,67 148,250,575,15,248,64 135,250,561,15,225,64 117,250,490,15,225,65 85,240,369,21,203,68 36,230,157,26,203,77 8,220,0,15,203,78 0,210,0,10,225,83 0,210,0,0,0,83 0,200,0,0,0,84 0,200,0,0,0,89 0,190,0,0,0,92 * day 24 month 9 0,190,0,0,0,96 0,190,0,0,0,97 0,190,0,0,0,96 0,180,0,0,0,97 0,180,0,0,0,97 0,170,0,0,0,97 29,180,1,0,0,97 52,180,1,0,0,97 92,190,94,0,0,99 137,210,256,0,0,85 151,230,324,0,0,77 155,240,444,0,0,69 142,250,702,0,0,64 136,260,628,0,0,64 140,260,447,0,0,64 116,260,351,21,203,64 86,250,170,21,203,65 33,240,122,15,225,69 5,220,0,10,225,78 0,220,0,0,0,81 0,210,0,0,0,85 0,210,0,0,0,92 0,200,0,0,0,91 0,200,0,0,0,93 * day 25 month 9 0,180,0,0,0,96 0,180,0,0,0,97 0,180,0,0,0,97 0,180,0,0,0,96 0,170,0,0,0,97 0,170,0,0,0,97 35,170,16,0,0,97 86,170,181,10,68,96 123,190,400,0,0,91 141,220,516,0,0,78 152,240,495,15,180,72 158,250,457,36,203,65 157,250,475,31,203,59 151,260,492,26,225,57 138,260,475,21,203,60 116,260,479,26,203,59 80,250,414,36,203,62 31,250,150,31,225,61 3,240,0,15,203,65 0,240,0,0,0,65 0,230,0,21,203,73 0,230,0,15,180,75 0,220,0,0,0,78 0,210,0,0,0,85 * day 26 month 9 0,210,0,0,0,83 0,200,0,0,0,89 0,200,0,0,0,93 0,200,0,0,0,93 0,200,0,0,0,93 0,200,0,0,0,93 28,200,3,0,0,93 77,210,69,10,203,92 104,220,85,36,203,91 114,220,84,26,203,87 138,230,212,31,180,85 156,240,385,15,180,81 157,250,472,31,203,76 151,260,470,26,203,74 138,260,405,41,180,73 119,260,319,26,203,70 85,260,276,15,203,67 33,230,147,15,203,78 6,230,0,21,203,75 0,220,0,15,203,76 0,210,0,0,0,78 0,200,0,0,0,75 0,200,0,0,0,62 0,190,0,0,0,68 * day 27 month 9 0,180,0,0,0,74 0,180,0,0,0,74 0,170,0,0,0,85 0,170,0,0,0,75 0,160,0,0,0,84 0,160,0,0,0,85 36,150,16,10,68,96 85,150,178,15,90,99 119,160,456,26,45,98 135,180,602,15,90,90 145,220,633,15,45,72 149,240,652,10,90,65 148,260,652,0,0,71 142,260,641,10,23,58 133,270,561,0,0,51 115,260,374,0,0,54 78,250,154,0,0,67 27,240,41,0,0,72 1,220,0,0,0,80 0,210,0,0,0,80 0,210,0,0,0,77 0,210,0,0,0,77 0,200,0,0,0,77 0,200,0,0,0,81 * day 28 month 9 0,200,0,0,0,82 0,200,0,0,0,84 0,190,0,0,0,86 0,180,0,0,0,86 0,180,0,0,0,86 0,170,0,0,0,92 24,180,1,0,0,89 63,180,13,0,0,85 91,190,37,0,0,82 112,190,77,0,0,82 127,200,116,0,0,77 133,210,133,0,0,75 121,220,92,0,0,72 106,220,47,21,270,69 98,220,40,15,315,69 79,220,22,10,225,70 47,210,5,21,248,75 15,210,0,10,248,80 1,200,0,10,225,76 0,200,0,0,0,81 0,200,0,0,0,81 0,200,0,0,0,82 0,190,0,0,0,82 0,190,0,0,0,83 * day 29 month 9 0,190,0,0,0,84 0,180,0,0,0,89 0,180,0,0,0,91 0,170,0,0,0,88 0,170,0,0,0,88 0,170,0,0,0,87 31,170,16,0,0,92 84,180,141,0,0,89 122,190,274,0,0,85 141,200,336,0,0,82 151,220,434,0,0,77 156,240,512,0,0,68 154,250,540,0,0,65 148,260,525,0,0,60 136,260,483,21,270,58 114,250,402,15,315,69 79,250,217,10,225,74 26,240,78,21,248,75 1,240,0,10,248,75 0,230,0,10,225,79 0,220,0,0,0,86 0,210,0,0,0,92 0,210,0,0,0,92 0,200,0,0,0,96 * day 30 month 9 0,200,0,0,0,97 0,200,0,0,0,97 0,200,0,0,0,98 0,190,0,0,0,97 0,190,0,0,0,97 0,190,0,0,0,99 35,190,26,0,0,99 86,190,163,0,0,97 121,200,384,0,0,91 137,220,533,0,0,78 148,220,571,0,0,78 151,250,595,0,0,67 149,260,625,0,0,64 142,270,614,0,0,59 131,260,562,10,360,53 113,260,402,10,360,55 78,250,188,31,225,71 24,240,70,15,225,75 1,230,0,15,203,81 0,220,0,0,0,83 0,210,0,0,0,90 0,210,0,0,0,92 0,200,0,0,0,93 0,200,0,0,0,95 * day 1 month 10 0,200,0,0,0,97 0,190,0,0,0,96 0,190,0,0,0,96 0,180,0,0,0,96 0,180,0,0,0,97 0,170,0,0,0,97 34,170,33,0,0,98 86,170,183,0,0,98 120,180,405,0,0,99 138,200,521,0,0,94 149,240,534,0,0,72 155,260,501,0,0,64 155,270,486,0,0,58 147,280,530,0,0,53 131,280,542,0,0,54 112,270,424,0,0,56 77,260,229,0,0,66 26,250,72,0,0,71 2,240,0,0,0,82 0,230,0,0,0,87 0,220,0,0,0,84 0,210,0,0,0,91 0,210,0,0,0,91 0,200,0,0,0,97 * day 2 month 10 0,200,0,0,0,93 0,190,0,0,0,99 0,180,0,0,0,100 0,170,0,0,0,99 0,170,0,0,0,98 0,180,0,0,0,90 37,190,115,0,0,85 90,190,244,0,0,85 122,200,370,0,0,83 140,200,359,0,0,85 149,210,333,0,0,84 152,230,311,0,0,74 150,240,294,0,0,74 145,250,302,0,0,69 129,250,226,0,0,72 110,240,194,0,0,79 77,230,208,10,225,80 24,230,85,0,0,87 2,220,0,0,0,89 0,210,0,0,0,95 0,200,0,0,0,96 0,200,0,0,0,93 0,190,0,0,0,99 0,190,0,0,0,99 * day 3 month 10 0,190,0,0,0,96 0,180,0,0,0,96 0,170,0,0,0,99 0,170,0,0,0,99 0,160,0,0,0,99 0,170,0,0,0,99 15,180,0,0,0,100 51,190,7,0,0,93 92,190,55,0,0,96 129,200,242,0,0,89 149,210,335,10,45,85 149,230,270,0,0,75 148,240,250,0,0,72 141,250,230,0,0,68 128,250,199,10,338,68 110,240,208,0,0,68 67,230,140,0,0,68 20,220,30,0,0,73 1,220,0,0,0,74 0,210,0,0,0,78 0,210,0,0,0,83 0,200,0,0,0,91 0,190,0,0,0,92 0,190,0,0,0,97 * day 4 month 10 0,190,0,0,0,94 0,180,0,0,0,96 0,170,0,0,0,98 0,170,0,0,0,99 0,160,0,0,0,99 0,170,0,0,0,99 14,180,0,0,0,97 58,190,33,0,0,96 104,200,91,0,0,87 130,220,319,0,0,76 149,230,428,10,23,71 154,250,341,0,0,60 152,260,378,0,0,59 148,260,451,0,0,59 130,250,334,0,0,64 110,240,238,0,0,63 74,240,295,0,0,65 23,230,105,0,0,65 3,220,0,0,0,75 0,200,0,21,23,81 0,190,0,15,45,88 0,190,0,15,68,90 0,190,0,0,0,85 0,180,0,0,0,85 * day 5 month 10 0,190,0,0,0,80 0,180,0,0,0,80 0,170,0,0,0,92 0,160,0,0,0,88 0,160,0,0,0,94 0,150,0,0,0,91 29,150,6,0,0,83 76,160,200,0,0,85 115,190,477,0,0,71 135,200,556,0,0,70 143,220,597,15,45,63 149,240,597,0,0,60 152,240,463,0,0,60 142,250,299,0,0,50 123,250,441,0,0,48 94,240,668,10,360,48 65,230,444,0,0,51 20,220,94,21,45,56 1,220,0,21,45,58 0,210,0,15,23,59 0,200,0,10,45,58 0,190,0,21,23,60 0,180,0,0,0,63 0,170,0,0,0,67 * day 6 month 10 0,150,0,0,0,78 0,150,0,0,0,80 0,140,0,0,0,80 0,140,0,10,68,78 0,130,0,0,0,82 0,130,0,0,0,81 22,130,0,0,0,83 69,150,219,0,0,73 112,170,523,21,45,63 127,180,664,21,68,60 136,190,697,15,90,54 142,200,697,15,68,56 143,210,672,15,68,52 140,220,611,15,68,48 130,220,438,0,0,47 107,230,216,0,0,48 59,210,70,0,0,38 15,200,14,10,45,49 1,190,0,10,68,54 0,190,0,15,45,63 0,180,0,15,45,59 0,170,0,21,45,58 0,160,0,26,45,61 0,160,0,26,45,62 * day 7 month 10 0,150,0,15,68,64 0,150,0,21,68,66 0,140,0,0,0,71 0,140,0,0,0,73 0,130,0,0,0,70 0,130,0,0,0,71 30,120,21,10,90,77 80,130,166,0,0,76 119,150,369,15,68,66 138,160,440,15,68,64 147,170,522,21,68,60 145,190,641,31,45,57 142,200,672,26,45,63 140,210,573,15,68,44 130,210,485,15,68,41 106,210,480,26,68,44 64,210,307,15,45,42 17,200,35,0,0,44 0,190,0,0,0,46 0,180,0,0,0,55 0,170,0,0,0,60 0,170,0,0,0,62 0,160,0,0,0,54 0,160,0,0,0,60 * day 8 month 10 0,150,0,0,0,67 0,140,0,0,0,72 0,140,0,0,0,75 0,130,0,0,0,81 0,120,0,0,0,83 0,120,0,10,90,80 33,120,50,15,90,80 80,120,262,15,68,75 110,150,541,15,68,66 124,170,670,21,68,56 134,180,718,10,68,49 138,190,726,31,45,45 138,200,704,26,45,38 136,200,640,0,0,41 127,200,531,10,135,39 106,200,464,15,45,45 64,200,324,0,0,44 17,190,47,0,0,49 1,180,0,0,0,54 0,180,0,0,0,55 0,170,0,10,68,58 0,170,0,0,0,63 0,160,0,15,68,67 0,160,0,15,68,71 * day 9 month 10 0,160,0,0,0,71 0,160,0,0,0,68 0,150,0,10,68,72 0,150,0,0,0,72 0,140,0,0,0,77 0,140,0,0,0,77 0,150,0,0,0,72 60,160,95,0,0,68 115,180,307,0,0,67 136,200,458,0,0,59 144,210,362,31,180,55 127,200,145,36,203,61 93,200,23,41,203,67 88,190,19,15,225,75 94,180,35,15,248,85 92,170,91,15,225,86 67,160,255,15,203,95 20,150,57,31,225,82 5,140,0,21,360,66 0,130,0,21,338,68 0,120,0,0,0,68 0,120,0,0,0,70 0,120,0,0,0,69 0,110,0,0,0,68 * day 10 month 10 0,120,0,0,0,54 0,110,0,0,0,62 0,90,0,0,0,66 0,80,0,0,0,68 0,80,0,0,0,68 0,70,0,0,0,71 17,70,0,0,0,71 65,90,199,0,0,54 115,110,428,0,0,49 134,130,520,0,0,38 142,150,591,0,0,39 144,160,650,0,0,37 143,170,640,0,0,34 138,170,595,0,0,33 127,160,490,0,0,40 107,160,333,15,203,36 64,150,176,36,225,38 14,150,20,15,225,41 0,140,0,0,0,46 0,130,0,0,0,50 0,120,0,10,225,58 0,110,0,10,225,68 0,110,0,10,225,70 0,110,0,0,0,71 * day 11 month 10 0,110,0,0,0,60 0,110,0,0,0,64 0,100,0,0,0,79 0,90,0,0,0,82 0,80,0,0,0,92 0,80,0,10,90,86 23,90,2,0,0,82 71,100,190,0,0,80 113,120,456,0,0,78 128,140,605,10,360,71 137,160,663,0,0,44 141,180,687,10,315,41 141,180,664,10,338,42 140,170,519,0,0,43 127,170,488,10,315,40 98,160,540,0,0,40 58,150,331,10,338,40 13,140,41,26,225,47 0,130,0,31,225,48 0,120,0,21,248,51 0,110,0,0,0,52 0,100,0,0,0,53 0,100,0,0,0,57 0,100,0,10,360,49 * day 12 month 10 0,90,0,10,360,49 0,80,0,10,23,51 0,70,0,0,0,57 0,60,0,0,0,61 0,50,0,0,0,70 0,50,0,0,0,70 17,60,0,0,0,62 66,70,187,0,0,63 114,90,436,0,0,62 130,100,570,0,0,47 137,110,647,0,0,39 136,130,728,0,0,40 136,150,711,0,0,46 138,170,514,0,0,42 127,170,472,15,270,46 99,160,448,21,248,52 60,150,192,21,270,63 20,140,14,15,248,65 1,130,0,0,0,69 0,120,0,0,0,66 0,120,0,0,0,43 0,110,0,0,0,43 0,100,0,0,0,57 0,100,0,0,0,55 * day 13 month 10 0,80,0,0,0,60 0,80,0,0,0,65 0,70,0,0,0,68 0,70,0,0,0,71 0,60,0,0,0,73 0,60,0,0,0,71 19,60,0,10,68,71 65,80,223,0,0,63 108,110,525,15,68,49 123,130,665,10,68,46 134,150,695,10,68,44 137,170,708,0,0,42 134,180,727,0,0,37 126,190,723,0,0,32 114,200,672,10,68,37 93,200,595,10,45,37 56,200,334,0,0,39 21,180,30,0,0,47 0,170,0,0,0,46 0,150,0,0,0,52 0,150,0,10,45,55 0,140,0,0,0,56 0,140,0,0,0,61 0,130,0,0,0,64 * day 14 month 10 0,130,0,15,68,72 0,120,0,10,68,75 0,120,0,15,68,78 0,110,0,0,0,84 0,110,0,0,0,79 0,110,0,10,68,80 28,100,57,15,68,83 78,120,159,21,68,76 112,130,400,31,68,70 133,150,497,26,68,65 145,170,399,21,45,61 148,180,309,10,68,61 144,190,259,10,68,52 138,200,269,0,0,48 127,190,406,10,90,49 97,180,540,10,90,54 52,180,323,5,90,52 17,170,20,0,0,55 0,160,0,0,0,62 0,150,0,0,0,66 0,150,0,0,0,64 0,150,0,0,0,67 0,150,0,0,0,64 0,140,0,0,0,74 * day 15 month 10 0,140,0,0,0,73 0,130,0,0,0,77 0,120,0,0,0,84 0,110,0,0,0,91 0,110,0,0,0,86 0,100,0,0,0,91 20,110,2,0,0,90 69,120,117,0,0,84 113,140,347,0,0,79 128,160,558,0,0,67 137,180,635,0,0,59 141,190,664,10,315,43 138,200,677,26,293,45 127,190,702,26,338,45 105,180,756,21,315,45 80,170,736,21,270,49 51,170,418,10,293,47 27,160,21,10,293,50 0,150,0,0,0,56 0,140,0,0,0,61 0,130,0,0,0,64 0,120,0,10,338,69 0,110,0,0,0,75 0,110,0,0,0,74 * day 16 month 10 0,110,0,0,0,75 0,100,0,0,0,78 0,90,0,0,0,85 0,80,0,0,0,86 0,80,0,0,0,89 0,70,0,0,0,92 22,70,6,0,0,98 67,80,215,0,0,90 107,90,504,26,90,83 123,100,642,31,68,78 136,120,643,21,68,73 140,150,663,21,23,62 127,170,771,21,45,55 122,180,707,51,23,52 123,190,461,0,0,43 101,190,370,0,0,46 51,180,264,0,0,49 15,180,10,10,248,56 0,170,0,0,0,61 0,160,0,0,0,64 0,160,0,0,0,59 0,150,0,0,0,60 0,140,0,0,0,66 0,130,0,0,0,72 * day 17 month 10 0,130,0,0,0,72 0,130,0,0,0,72 0,120,0,10,68,77 0,120,0,0,0,77 0,110,0,0,0,81 0,100,0,10,45,87 22,100,15,10,68,87 70,110,205,15,68,81 112,110,430,10,68,86 129,130,541,10,23,84 142,150,457,10,68,71 145,160,283,15,90,67 144,170,319,15,180,63 140,180,347,10,225,61 121,190,440,10,225,55 92,190,418,10,225,54 53,180,123,15,225,59 14,170,12,15,225,63 0,170,0,0,0,66 0,160,0,0,0,68 0,160,0,0,0,67 0,150,0,0,0,72 0,140,0,0,0,77 0,130,0,0,0,82 * day 18 month 10 0,120,0,0,0,84 0,120,0,0,0,84 0,110,0,0,0,90 0,100,0,0,0,92 0,100,0,0,0,92 0,100,0,0,0,95 0,100,0,0,0,95 62,100,74,0,0,96 109,120,206,0,0,88 133,140,298,0,0,73 143,160,315,0,0,69 149,180,364,0,0,62 145,190,495,0,0,62 136,200,563,0,0,61 122,190,421,10,360,58 101,190,294,10,315,61 53,180,223,0,0,67 17,170,8,0,0,72 0,160,0,0,0,75 0,160,0,0,0,77 0,150,0,0,0,84 0,150,0,0,0,84 0,140,0,0,0,86 0,140,0,0,0,86 * day 19 month 10 0,130,0,0,0,92 0,130,0,0,0,91 0,120,0,0,0,91 0,120,0,0,0,92 0,120,0,0,0,93 0,110,0,0,0,96 24,110,66,0,0,96 72,110,306,0,0,96 110,130,450,0,0,89 129,160,506,0,0,74 141,180,548,0,0,67 147,200,526,0,0,59 142,200,593,0,0,53 133,200,586,0,0,56 123,200,420,0,0,50 95,190,213,0,0,62 50,190,60,10,270,65 13,190,6,10,248,68 0,180,0,0,0,74 0,170,0,0,0,81 0,160,0,0,0,85 0,160,0,0,0,85 0,150,0,0,0,90 0,150,0,0,0,87 * day 20 month 10 0,140,0,0,0,88 0,130,0,0,0,97 0,120,0,0,0,89 0,110,0,0,0,73 0,110,0,0,0,69 0,100,0,0,0,74 21,100,19,0,0,74 67,110,216,0,0,68 106,120,493,0,0,65 121,130,642,10,360,61 129,140,699,31,315,59 131,150,736,36,338,52 127,160,765,41,270,52 115,170,784,26,293,47 98,160,791,36,315,44 78,150,707,26,315,48 42,140,311,26,293,45 10,130,3,21,293,48 0,120,0,15,315,50 0,110,0,0,0,54 0,110,0,0,0,57 0,100,0,0,0,62 0,90,0,0,0,65 0,90,0,0,0,65 * day 21 month 10 0,80,0,0,0,65 0,80,0,0,0,65 0,70,0,0,0,74 0,70,0,0,0,76 0,70,0,0,0,73 0,60,0,0,0,83 19,60,6,0,0,83 63,70,211,0,0,78 107,90,471,0,0,75 122,120,623,0,0,66 134,130,636,0,0,55 140,150,638,0,0,48 140,170,609,0,0,42 135,170,557,0,0,40 117,170,549,0,0,43 93,160,421,0,0,50 41,150,204,0,0,51 6,140,0,0,0,48 0,140,0,0,0,47 0,130,0,0,0,49 0,120,0,0,0,53 0,110,0,0,0,65 0,100,0,0,0,72 0,100,0,0,0,72 * day 22 month 10 0,100,0,0,0,66 0,90,0,0,0,66 0,90,0,0,0,68 0,80,0,0,0,71 0,80,0,10,90,69 0,70,0,26,68,78 0,70,0,15,90,79 65,70,150,21,68,74 109,80,357,10,90,74 130,90,371,10,68,66 140,100,276,0,0,71 140,120,226,0,0,59 135,140,185,0,0,55 121,150,128,0,0,51 86,160,47,0,0,49 67,150,23,0,0,55 48,150,77,0,0,54 16,140,1,0,0,61 0,140,0,0,0,61 0,130,0,0,0,65 0,120,0,0,0,72 0,110,0,0,0,76 0,110,0,0,0,81 0,100,0,0,0,87 * day 23 month 10 0,90,0,0,0,87 0,90,0,0,0,87 0,90,0,10,68,83 0,80,0,0,0,81 0,80,0,0,0,83 0,80,0,0,0,83 0,70,0,10,90,86 64,80,131,10,68,80 108,80,341,10,68,83 129,120,472,10,68,65 141,150,511,10,45,59 143,170,558,0,0,53 141,180,570,0,0,45 134,190,394,0,0,46 119,190,208,0,0,49 87,180,110,0,0,56 37,170,22,0,0,63 5,160,0,0,0,66 0,160,0,0,0,65 0,150,0,0,0,71 0,150,0,0,0,71 0,140,0,0,0,77 0,140,0,0,0,73 0,150,0,0,0,67 * day 24 month 10 0,140,0,0,0,72 0,140,0,0,0,74 0,130,0,0,0,75 0,120,0,0,0,87 0,130,0,0,0,84 0,120,0,0,0,95 0,130,0,0,0,89 63,140,135,15,68,84 108,150,345,15,68,78 128,160,477,0,0,74 140,180,515,0,0,74 143,190,564,0,0,66 141,200,575,21,225,58 134,210,398,21,225,56 119,220,211,31,225,50 87,210,113,41,203,55 37,190,23,31,203,68 5,180,0,26,225,75 0,170,0,10,225,83 0,170,0,10,203,78 0,160,0,10,203,85 0,160,0,15,225,85 0,160,0,10,203,87 0,150,0,0,0,90 * day 25 month 10 0,160,0,10,203,85 0,150,0,0,0,91 0,150,0,10,203,92 0,140,0,0,0,96 0,140,0,0,0,92 0,140,0,0,0,96 0,130,0,0,0,98 40,140,5,0,0,98 88,160,79,0,0,87 124,170,295,10,225,83 138,180,521,0,0,74 140,200,602,15,225,65 136,200,640,0,0,62 102,210,848,15,248,46 90,210,808,15,248,41 81,210,573,0,0,42 42,200,242,0,0,44 10,180,0,10,225,48 0,170,0,10,203,48 0,160,0,0,0,52 0,150,0,0,0,59 0,150,0,0,0,63 0,140,0,0,0,68 0,140,0,0,0,69 * day 26 month 10 0,130,0,0,0,66 0,130,0,10,68,66 0,130,0,0,0,67 0,120,0,10,90,69 0,120,0,10,45,69 0,120,0,10,90,67 0,120,0,15,68,70 65,120,87,0,0,72 105,130,292,0,0,66 127,150,484,0,0,55 138,180,516,0,0,47 145,200,464,0,0,37 144,210,401,0,0,33 136,220,334,0,0,32 115,230,209,0,0,26 74,230,64,0,0,31 27,220,2,0,0,31 3,210,0,0,0,38 0,200,0,0,0,46 0,190,0,0,0,49 0,190,0,31,68,52 0,190,0,31,45,52 0,180,0,46,68,59 0,170,0,41,90,63 * day 27 month 10 0,170,0,31,68,78 0,160,0,72,68,84 0,150,0,72,45,76 0,140,0,72,68,79 0,130,0,72,68,80 0,120,0,93,45,83 0,120,0,103,45,74 29,120,0,82,45,72 63,110,8,77,23,85 86,110,22,62,23,90 101,110,47,51,23,90 117,100,88,57,23,92 119,110,94,62,23,86 99,120,48,51,23,81 69,130,10,72,45,71 41,150,0,46,23,63 15,130,0,31,23,77 1,120,0,31,23,77 0,100,0,10,360,91 0,100,0,10,360,92 0,90,0,31,23,89 0,90,0,31,45,86 0,90,0,15,23,80 0,80,0,0,0,95 * day 28 month 10 0,90,0,0,0,83 0,90,0,0,0,83 0,80,0,0,0,95 0,80,0,10,360,90 0,70,0,21,23,97 0,70,0,0,0,97 0,60,0,0,0,99 30,60,1,0,0,97 66,70,8,0,0,95 94,70,48,10,23,98 112,80,73,0,0,93 110,80,65,0,0,95 112,80,69,0,0,97 98,80,47,0,0,93 59,80,8,0,0,98 22,90,0,15,270,90 5,90,0,10,293,92 1,90,0,0,0,82 0,80,0,0,0,87 0,80,0,0,0,87 0,70,0,0,0,94 0,70,0,0,0,97 0,60,0,0,0,95 0,60,0,0,0,93 * day 29 month 10 0,60,0,0,0,93 0,50,0,0,0,96 0,40,0,0,0,97 0,40,0,0,0,95 0,30,0,21,315,99 0,40,0,15,315,97 0,40,0,15,360,97 24,50,0,10,360,87 77,50,85,0,0,95 119,60,387,0,0,85 136,80,535,0,0,80 144,90,475,0,0,75 137,100,563,0,0,65 120,120,693,21,293,53 102,120,678,15,270,48 83,120,477,15,270,48 36,110,191,10,248,49 5,100,0,10,203,70 0,100,0,0,0,70 0,90,0,0,0,63 0,90,0,0,0,63 0,90,0,0,0,63 0,80,0,0,0,74 0,70,0,0,0,78 * day 30 month 10 0,70,0,0,0,78 0,60,0,0,0,78 0,60,0,0,0,80 0,50,0,0,0,87 0,40,0,10,90,88 0,40,0,10,68,90 0,40,0,10,90,88 57,50,188,26,68,83 105,70,359,26,68,74 122,80,505,26,90,69 131,100,620,10,68,66 129,130,698,10,68,58 130,150,661,0,0,61 131,170,466,0,0,51 119,150,370,0,0,56 90,150,341,10,203,56 40,150,186,21,225,56 9,130,0,0,0,64 0,130,0,0,0,68 0,120,0,0,0,72 0,120,0,0,0,75 0,120,0,0,0,74 0,110,0,0,0,73 0,110,0,0,0,74 * day 31 month 10 0,100,0,0,0,76 0,100,0,0,0,79 0,80,0,0,0,62 0,70,0,0,0,68 0,70,0,0,0,68 0,80,0,0,0,63 0,90,0,0,0,59 58,100,114,0,0,83 104,120,295,0,0,77 123,140,477,0,0,70 134,150,576,10,293,65 136,150,615,21,248,49 131,160,659,26,270,46 124,160,599,21,270,44 113,170,523,26,270,46 83,160,466,26,270,45 41,150,201,21,270,48 10,140,0,15,248,63 0,130,0,10,225,68 0,130,0,15,225,70 0,120,0,10,225,78 0,110,0,0,0,85 0,100,0,0,0,86 0,90,0,10,315,82 * day 1 month 11 0,100,0,0,0,76 0,90,0,0,0,82 0,90,0,0,0,78 0,80,0,0,0,86 0,80,0,0,0,81 0,70,0,5,90,87 0,70,0,5,90,90 63,70,240,10,68,90 102,80,393,10,90,81 126,100,429,10,45,79 137,120,463,0,0,57 137,140,573,15,315,51 133,150,643,26,315,50 126,150,593,31,360,48 114,160,404,21,248,45 71,170,148,15,248,40 20,160,0,0,0,45 0,150,0,26,203,56 0,140,0,15,203,58 0,130,0,10,203,63 0,120,0,5,203,67 0,120,0,10,203,68 0,120,0,0,0,75 0,120,0,0,0,75 * day 2 month 11 0,120,0,0,0,72 0,110,0,0,0,76 0,100,0,15,90,79 0,100,0,15,68,79 0,90,0,21,90,82 0,90,0,21,68,82 0,90,0,15,90,82 62,100,81,21,68,79 99,110,299,26,68,74 124,130,423,15,68,70 137,150,438,0,0,65 140,160,357,0,0,60 130,180,179,10,203,60 119,180,127,26,225,60 112,180,197,51,225,58 60,180,155,57,225,58 9,170,0,57,225,62 0,160,0,36,225,69 0,160,0,41,225,71 0,160,0,31,225,72 0,160,0,26,203,75 0,150,0,41,225,80 0,150,0,21,225,76 0,150,0,26,203,76 * day 3 month 11 0,150,0,31,203,76 0,150,0,15,225,72 0,140,0,15,203,77 0,140,0,10,203,80 0,140,0,0,0,80 0,130,0,0,0,89 0,130,0,0,0,89 0,130,0,21,68,83 38,140,1,21,68,78 81,140,28,21,68,77 97,140,38,21,68,84 85,140,12,26,68,82 99,140,56,31,45,82 119,150,131,21,68,79 91,160,84,21,68,74 33,150,3,21,68,80 0,150,0,21,68,83 0,150,0,0,0,78 0,140,0,0,0,84 0,140,0,0,0,84 0,140,0,10,158,79 0,140,0,10,90,79 0,130,0,10,90,87 0,130,0,10,90,87 * day 4 month 11 0,120,0,15,90,90 0,120,0,15,90,90 0,120,0,15,68,91 0,110,0,15,68,100 0,110,0,15,68,94 0,110,0,15,68,95 0,110,0,15,68,95 49,110,24,26,68,96 94,100,183,21,68,96 122,100,424,21,90,86 134,110,518,15,90,81 141,130,414,10,68,65 140,150,322,26,68,66 116,160,185,21,68,65 53,180,23,10,113,65 12,170,0,0,0,85 6,160,0,0,0,79 0,160,0,0,0,79 0,150,0,0,0,84 0,150,0,0,0,83 0,150,0,0,0,83 0,140,0,0,0,87 0,130,0,0,0,86 0,130,0,0,0,86 * day 5 month 11 0,130,0,0,0,82 0,120,0,0,0,91 0,120,0,5,90,85 0,110,0,0,0,95 0,110,0,0,0,94 0,100,0,21,68,95 0,100,0,10,68,94 58,100,134,10,90,94 101,110,284,10,45,87 123,120,400,10,360,90 136,140,402,0,0,76 141,160,415,10,45,73 140,160,423,10,315,74 131,170,330,5,315,73 110,170,197,10,315,73 65,160,63,5,248,72 19,150,0,26,248,72 0,140,0,15,225,83 0,140,0,15,360,81 0,130,0,0,0,87 0,130,0,0,0,87 0,120,0,10,360,92 0,120,0,15,360,92 0,120,0,0,0,92 * day 6 month 11 0,120,0,0,0,92 0,120,0,26,90,92 0,110,0,21,90,87 0,100,0,5,90,78 0,100,0,0,0,87 0,100,0,0,0,82 0,90,0,0,0,92 57,90,191,0,0,92 97,100,420,0,0,88 119,120,540,5,68,75 134,140,486,0,0,68 136,150,538,5,315,54 131,160,620,15,270,58 126,170,552,21,270,56 112,170,406,10,360,56 73,170,167,10,293,56 23,160,5,10,270,53 0,150,0,0,0,55 0,130,0,0,0,72 0,130,0,0,0,75 0,120,0,0,0,76 0,110,0,0,0,76 0,110,0,0,0,76 0,110,0,0,0,84 * day 7 month 11 0,120,0,31,68,78 0,120,0,21,90,68 0,110,0,26,90,73 0,110,0,36,68,69 0,100,0,21,68,74 0,100,0,26,68,74 0,100,0,26,68,74 55,100,217,26,68,70 93,110,472,41,68,68 114,130,594,51,68,57 130,130,552,41,68,49 140,140,414,46,68,48 136,160,437,31,45,44 122,170,609,21,45,42 97,170,381,10,90,38 62,160,35,26,360,44 19,150,0,5,338,48 0,150,0,26,45,45 0,140,0,21,45,50 0,130,0,26,68,50 0,130,0,41,45,49 0,130,0,26,68,48 0,120,0,41,45,46 0,110,0,31,68,46 * day 8 month 11 0,110,0,26,68,48 0,100,0,26,45,49 0,100,0,21,68,49 0,90,0,31,68,58 0,90,0,15,68,58 0,90,0,26,68,58 0,80,0,26,45,62 53,90,273,10,68,62 92,100,513,21,68,59 110,110,637,26,45,51 122,130,671,21,45,48 129,140,659,15,90,42 133,160,584,5,90,38 129,170,452,0,0,38 100,170,213,21,45,39 60,160,15,21,68,41 22,150,3,21,338,41 0,140,0,15,90,50 0,130,0,0,0,59 0,120,0,0,0,63 0,120,0,0,0,63 0,110,0,0,0,65 0,100,0,0,0,70 0,100,0,0,0,70 * day 9 month 11 0,100,0,0,0,70 0,90,0,0,0,72 0,90,0,26,68,75 0,70,0,21,68,74 0,70,0,15,90,74 0,70,0,36,68,74 0,70,0,21,90,73 57,70,202,26,68,73 99,80,308,26,68,65 121,100,292,21,90,62 131,120,247,15,68,55 127,130,172,10,68,53 116,140,95,26,45,49 119,140,172,10,68,52 109,150,194,0,0,47 56,150,72,0,0,48 8,140,0,0,0,51 0,130,0,0,0,50 0,130,0,5,113,54 0,130,0,10,135,51 0,120,0,0,0,59 0,110,0,5,90,63 0,100,0,0,0,67 0,100,0,5,90,69 * day 10 month 11 0,100,0,10,90,69 0,90,0,10,90,70 0,90,0,10,68,69 0,70,0,15,90,73 0,70,0,26,90,73 0,60,0,21,90,78 0,60,0,31,68,78 53,60,126,26,68,73 97,70,297,31,45,71 98,90,200,26,68,63 85,100,17,26,68,59 110,100,120,15,45,65 114,120,128,21,45,55 73,140,16,15,180,44 29,140,0,36,180,43 2,130,0,36,203,46 0,120,0,41,180,59 0,120,0,36,180,69 0,110,0,51,203,78 0,110,0,26,203,81 0,100,0,21,203,87 0,100,0,21,203,82 0,100,0,26,248,88 0,90,0,51,248,80 * day 11 month 11 0,90,0,15,315,72 0,80,0,21,315,74 0,70,0,21,293,68 0,70,0,10,270,61 0,60,0,0,0,66 0,50,0,0,0,70 0,50,0,0,0,70 51,60,273,0,0,64 97,70,391,0,0,63 121,80,351,0,0,53 130,90,272,0,0,48 120,100,131,21,270,47 106,100,59,0,0,47 84,110,29,21,270,51 53,120,2,26,293,48 27,110,0,26,270,53 6,110,0,15,203,65 0,100,0,10,225,67 0,100,0,21,225,69 0,90,0,41,225,68 0,90,0,51,315,66 0,80,0,15,270,74 0,80,0,15,225,77 0,70,0,15,225,73 * day 12 month 11 0,70,0,15,225,69 0,60,0,15,248,78 0,50,0,36,270,83 0,40,0,10,315,90 0,40,0,21,270,84 0,40,0,31,270,72 0,30,0,51,315,70 52,30,60,21,315,66 92,30,134,31,293,60 119,40,307,41,293,54 131,50,466,31,293,56 134,60,563,31,270,50 133,70,522,31,293,48 123,70,286,41,248,45 101,70,109,21,270,45 50,60,49,31,270,45 6,50,0,26,270,50 0,50,0,26,270,52 0,30,0,51,293,58 0,20,0,26,293,60 0,20,0,21,293,60 0,10,0,26,248,67 0,10,0,26,270,69 0,10,0,21,315,71 * day 13 month 11 0,0,0,26,338,66 0,0,0,31,338,69 0,-10,0,26,293,66 0,-20,0,21,270,67 0,-30,0,21,270,73 0,-30,0,15,270,69 0,-20,0,15,270,61 49,-10,274,21,315,63 80,-10,623,26,315,63 94,0,782,15,315,58 109,10,783,26,315,57 116,20,772,26,293,53 119,30,727,26,270,51 117,40,622,15,270,44 107,60,438,15,293,40 64,60,177,21,315,47 16,50,0,0,0,54 0,40,0,15,225,56 0,40,0,15,203,60 0,30,0,21,180,64 0,30,0,10,225,64 0,20,0,0,0,71 0,20,0,0,0,71 0,10,0,0,0,79 * day 14 month 11 0,10,0,0,0,79 0,10,0,0,0,79 0,0,0,0,0,87 0,0,0,0,0,90 0,0,0,0,0,90 0,-10,0,0,0,85 0,-10,0,0,0,85 49,0,251,5,90,82 92,20,443,10,68,71 116,30,471,21,90,68 130,40,477,26,45,64 136,60,494,15,45,54 135,80,478,0,0,47 127,100,411,0,0,42 107,100,252,5,360,42 57,100,74,0,0,42 12,90,0,10,203,47 0,90,0,0,0,55 0,80,0,0,0,56 0,80,0,0,0,56 0,70,0,0,0,57 0,70,0,0,0,60 0,60,0,0,0,61 0,50,0,0,0,65 * day 15 month 11 0,50,0,15,68,67 0,40,0,21,68,70 0,40,0,21,68,70 0,40,0,31,68,70 0,30,0,21,68,90 0,30,0,51,113,90 0,30,0,21,45,96 49,40,176,31,68,82 92,50,381,26,68,78 117,60,406,31,68,73 100,70,166,21,68,73 69,80,2,15,90,68 37,100,0,10,45,67 38,100,2,0,0,70 78,90,37,26,113,82 47,80,44,21,90,86 2,80,0,26,68,92 0,70,0,36,360,98 0,70,0,5,23,95 0,60,0,15,90,97 0,60,0,15,360,97 0,60,0,10,203,97 0,50,0,36,180,98 0,50,0,26,203,98 * day 16 month 11 0,50,0,26,225,98 0,40,0,10,270,97 0,30,0,15,270,98 0,20,0,0,0,99 0,20,0,10,315,99 0,30,0,10,360,94 0,30,0,0,0,83 0,40,0,0,0,82 13,40,0,0,0,80 59,40,29,10,315,76 80,50,27,10,23,70 69,50,5,10,315,69 97,40,63,46,338,70 120,30,224,36,338,73 109,20,357,26,225,78 65,10,220,31,293,76 20,10,2,26,293,79 0,0,0,36,338,53 0,-10,0,41,315,54 0,-10,0,5,315,51 0,-20,0,26,315,58 0,-30,0,26,315,63 0,-30,0,15,315,63 0,-30,0,10,315,63 * day 17 month 11 0,-20,0,10,270,58 0,-30,0,26,315,59 0,-40,0,36,315,61 0,-40,0,21,315,53 0,-50,0,21,293,58 0,-50,0,10,293,50 0,-50,0,26,315,50 44,-40,133,31,315,43 84,-40,436,31,315,64 100,-30,687,36,315,66 119,-30,648,0,0,56 134,-20,455,26,293,55 130,-10,255,51,270,51 122,0,281,51,270,48 104,0,256,41,270,45 59,-10,49,51,270,57 15,-20,0,41,270,61 0,-20,0,51,270,52 0,-30,0,31,270,56 0,-30,0,31,270,56 0,-30,0,41,225,53 0,-30,0,41,225,69 0,-20,0,31,225,64 0,-20,0,41,225,64 * day 18 month 11 0,-20,0,21,225,67 0,-10,0,15,225,60 0,-10,0,21,180,68 0,0,0,10,203,58 0,0,0,0,0,61 0,10,0,15,203,64 0,10,0,10,203,69 38,20,29,15,360,69 86,20,158,0,0,73 115,30,379,0,0,66 123,30,579,5,180,64 123,50,672,10,225,76 123,60,656,15,248,61 117,70,600,31,248,60 105,80,447,36,248,53 63,80,180,31,225,50 16,80,0,15,293,56 0,60,0,10,360,61 0,60,0,0,0,71 0,50,0,15,293,61 0,40,0,21,293,62 0,40,0,5,360,56 0,30,0,0,0,60 0,30,0,0,0,62 * day 19 month 11 0,30,0,0,0,58 0,20,0,10,203,62 0,20,0,0,0,62 0,10,0,0,0,64 0,10,0,0,0,69 0,0,0,0,0,72 0,0,0,10,90,74 41,10,56,10,90,71 86,20,284,15,90,71 113,40,493,21,45,64 127,60,512,41,68,52 134,80,505,5,45,47 131,100,518,0,0,42 123,110,487,10,315,36 107,110,355,21,360,33 60,100,143,15,360,41 14,100,0,0,0,45 0,90,0,21,203,52 0,80,0,10,203,62 0,80,0,0,0,68 0,70,0,0,0,73 0,70,0,0,0,73 0,60,0,0,0,76 0,50,0,10,90,80 * day 20 month 11 0,70,0,10,90,71 0,60,0,21,90,73 0,50,0,10,90,67 0,40,0,15,90,72 0,30,0,10,90,77 0,30,0,15,90,79 0,20,0,15,90,87 43,20,80,26,113,83 87,30,287,26,90,83 113,50,479,21,90,72 128,70,475,15,68,78 135,90,391,10,45,58 134,110,364,0,0,60 124,130,308,26,225,63 97,140,136,26,270,55 47,140,16,36,248,58 8,130,0,26,248,61 0,120,0,21,225,60 0,110,0,15,203,70 0,100,0,10,203,76 0,90,0,10,203,83 0,90,0,10,203,79 0,80,0,0,0,89 0,80,0,0,0,89 * day 21 month 11 0,70,0,0,0,89 0,70,0,0,0,86 0,50,0,5,293,98 0,50,0,0,0,98 0,30,0,0,0,98 0,30,0,0,0,98 0,30,0,0,0,96 36,40,29,0,0,93 85,40,135,0,0,95 113,60,194,0,0,87 124,70,212,5,293,86 129,70,211,5,270,84 122,90,152,10,293,48 113,90,124,21,248,39 92,100,77,15,270,43 44,90,16,10,315,49 7,90,0,5,315,55 0,80,0,0,0,63 0,80,0,10,225,59 0,70,0,0,0,61 0,70,0,0,0,63 0,70,0,0,0,68 0,60,0,0,0,64 0,60,0,0,0,73 * day 22 month 11 0,40,0,0,0,78 0,40,0,0,0,78 0,40,0,0,0,78 0,30,0,10,90,81 0,30,0,5,68,79 0,30,0,21,90,73 0,30,0,26,90,70 36,30,26,21,68,70 81,50,94,21,45,69 104,60,420,36,68,55 115,90,673,26,68,49 124,120,644,21,68,45 129,130,523,41,45,49 124,130,427,31,45,43 106,140,308,31,45,47 63,140,107,41,90,39 16,140,1,36,90,47 0,130,0,10,90,53 0,120,0,10,90,59 0,110,0,15,90,60 0,110,0,15,90,60 0,110,0,10,90,63 0,100,0,31,23,65 0,100,0,26,23,65 * day 23 month 11 0,100,0,26,68,65 0,100,0,31,68,65 0,90,0,26,68,69 0,90,0,26,45,72 0,90,0,31,45,68 0,80,0,36,68,72 0,80,0,31,45,71 19,80,0,21,45,71 55,90,20,10,90,65 100,100,102,15,68,61 105,110,97,21,45,62 51,110,15,5,68,68 14,100,0,41,203,75 15,100,0,36,180,82 12,90,0,26,203,89 7,90,0,21,203,87 1,90,0,5,180,85 0,90,0,0,0,85 0,80,0,5,203,86 0,80,0,15,203,86 0,80,0,10,180,86 0,70,0,0,0,87 0,70,0,0,0,87 0,60,0,10,225,90 * day 24 month 11 0,60,0,0,0,95 0,60,0,10,180,95 0,50,0,0,0,98 0,50,0,0,0,98 0,40,0,21,203,97 0,40,0,15,203,97 0,50,0,26,270,96 36,60,49,51,248,85 81,70,294,36,248,68 101,80,607,41,270,63 110,80,715,46,270,57 116,60,722,51,248,64 122,60,632,51,248,64 122,60,454,41,270,59 106,50,294,51,248,61 58,50,120,36,248,59 13,40,0,31,270,60 0,40,0,31,293,56 0,30,0,26,315,64 0,20,0,31,293,62 0,10,0,31,293,49 0,0,0,31,293,56 0,0,0,15,293,53 0,-10,0,21,293,54 * day 25 month 11 0,0,0,21,293,42 0,-10,0,26,293,46 0,-20,0,21,315,40 0,-20,0,15,315,40 0,-30,0,15,270,43 0,-30,0,15,293,46 0,-30,0,10,270,50 38,-20,60,10,270,43 79,-10,333,5,270,51 100,0,629,21,270,48 110,20,718,5,293,53 117,30,715,21,360,49 120,50,658,15,293,32 117,50,558,26,225,30 102,50,344,31,248,33 51,50,95,31,225,37 6,50,0,41,225,37 0,40,0,36,225,48 0,30,0,26,225,60 0,20,0,26,248,69 0,20,0,26,270,66 0,10,0,31,293,54 0,0,0,31,293,48 0,-10,0,31,270,43 * day 26 month 11 0,0,0,31,315,37 0,-10,0,36,293,37 0,-20,0,31,315,43 0,-20,0,21,293,43 0,-30,0,31,293,46 0,-40,0,26,293,46 0,-40,0,21,293,46 37,-30,81,21,293,43 78,-20,362,36,315,40 97,-10,669,26,293,34 105,-10,770,36,293,34 112,0,762,36,270,34 115,10,709,26,293,34 113,20,629,26,293,39 101,30,462,31,293,23 57,30,192,36,293,26 13,20,0,26,270,34 0,10,0,26,293,37 0,0,0,21,293,40 0,0,0,36,315,37 0,-10,0,21,338,40 0,-20,0,15,315,37 0,-30,0,10,338,43 0,-30,0,0,0,56 * day 27 month 11 0,-30,0,5,315,43 0,-40,0,0,0,46 0,-50,0,0,0,58 0,-50,0,0,0,65 0,-50,0,10,180,65 0,-40,0,10,180,53 0,-30,0,0,0,46 33,-20,24,5,135,61 80,-10,160,0,0,46 106,0,458,0,0,42 113,10,670,10,315,37 117,30,702,15,315,26 120,50,659,21,248,28 115,60,585,15,293,26 102,60,423,21,248,23 53,70,169,15,270,21 8,70,0,5,270,27 0,60,0,10,225,40 0,50,0,15,203,35 0,50,0,0,0,48 0,50,0,0,0,48 0,40,0,0,0,46 0,30,0,0,0,58 0,30,0,0,0,53 * day 28 month 11 0,10,0,15,68,54 0,0,0,15,68,58 0,-10,0,15,68,66 0,-10,0,26,68,60 0,-10,0,15,68,63 0,-20,0,26,68,64 0,-20,0,21,68,64 36,-10,63,26,68,60 83,0,223,26,90,56 112,10,362,41,45,59 122,30,259,31,45,51 127,50,229,21,45,35 130,60,287,31,45,26 122,70,255,0,0,47 95,80,147,0,0,53 44,80,21,0,0,54 6,70,0,0,0,55 0,70,0,0,0,55 0,90,0,0,0,51 0,60,0,0,0,73 0,50,0,0,0,70 0,50,0,0,0,74 0,40,0,0,0,78 0,40,0,0,0,78 * day 29 month 11 0,50,0,0,0,70 0,40,0,0,0,76 0,40,0,15,68,78 0,30,0,15,90,75 0,30,0,15,68,75 0,20,0,5,90,80 0,20,0,21,68,83 19,30,0,21,68,77 45,40,1,21,68,72 78,50,31,26,68,65 113,60,156,15,68,64 131,80,341,21,45,60 127,90,299,15,180,72 114,100,145,51,203,46 84,110,71,46,180,44 34,120,3,41,180,43 5,120,0,51,203,51 0,110,0,31,180,53 0,100,0,51,180,55 0,90,0,51,180,62 0,90,0,62,180,62 0,80,0,57,180,69 0,80,0,72,180,80 0,70,0,67,180,79 * day 30 month 11 0,80,0,46,203,75 0,70,0,57,225,81 0,60,0,62,248,81 0,60,0,41,248,73 0,50,0,41,293,78 0,40,0,41,270,60 0,40,0,31,270,54 35,30,92,26,248,60 84,30,197,21,248,56 107,30,424,57,248,53 123,40,495,46,293,48 129,40,498,57,270,50 128,50,522,41,270,46 121,50,480,36,293,43 102,50,351,41,293,33 52,40,121,51,270,36 7,40,0,36,293,38 0,30,0,26,270,43 0,30,0,21,293,41 0,20,0,26,270,46 0,10,0,21,248,54 0,10,0,19,248,59 0,10,0,10,248,64 0,0,0,10,270,74 * day 1 month 12 0,0,0,0,0,79 0,0,0,0,0,85 0,0,0,0,0,90 0,20,0,0,0,83 0,10,0,0,0,94 0,20,0,26,90,85 0,20,0,31,90,66 0,40,0,41,90,64 73,50,60,41,68,61 105,60,157,31,68,59 123,70,257,41,90,58 123,70,205,31,68,65 110,90,91,31,68,55 88,100,41,31,68,51 69,100,8,0,0,55 41,110,5,0,0,58 12,110,0,0,0,57 2,100,0,0,0,54 0,100,0,0,0,59 0,90,0,0,0,61 0,80,0,0,0,66 0,80,0,0,0,69 0,70,0,31,68,73 0,70,0,31,68,69 * day 2 month 12 0,70,0,31,45,73 0,60,0,41,68,81 0,60,0,41,90,85 0,50,0,51,90,83 0,50,0,51,68,83 0,50,0,57,90,83 0,60,0,41,68,78 17,60,1,41,68,80 33,60,0,46,68,80 52,70,1,51,45,78 77,80,15,46,45,71 102,80,66,57,45,68 115,90,117,62,45,62 115,90,163,103,68,58 95,100,122,77,45,57 52,100,23,51,45,54 14,90,0,51,68,56 0,90,0,41,45,55 0,80,0,51,68,50 0,80,0,51,68,51 0,70,0,41,68,48 0,70,0,41,68,50 0,60,0,41,68,54 0,50,0,31,68,58 * day 3 month 12 0,40,0,26,45,60 0,30,0,26,45,62 0,30,0,21,68,64 0,20,0,0,0,69 0,20,0,0,0,66 0,20,0,0,0,64 0,20,0,0,0,69 34,20,128,0,0,64 81,30,266,31,90,62 109,40,266,0,0,60 119,50,180,36,315,63 117,50,130,31,293,59 104,40,66,51,293,64 77,30,19,41,293,66 78,20,91,51,293,66 73,10,276,46,293,62 38,0,121,41,315,53 17,-10,0,31,293,63 0,-20,0,31,293,55 0,-30,0,41,315,46 0,-40,0,36,315,46 0,-50,0,36,315,46 0,-60,0,36,315,41 0,-70,0,31,338,40 * day 4 month 12 0,-60,0,31,338,41 0,-70,0,26,360,40 0,-80,0,26,360,34 0,-80,0,31,360,34 0,-90,0,21,338,31 0,-100,0,0,0,17 0,-100,0,21,293,23 17,-90,0,31,293,21 55,-80,337,46,315,24 97,-80,627,51,315,34 113,-70,649,51,360,22 119,-50,658,41,360,27 117,-40,673,46,360,18 113,-30,588,41,315,23 101,-30,436,36,315,23 67,-20,226,15,315,25 22,-30,45,0,0,20 1,-40,0,0,0,14 0,-50,0,0,0,15 0,-60,0,0,0,17 0,-70,0,0,0,22 0,-80,0,0,0,19 0,-90,0,0,0,16 0,-90,0,31,90,21 * day 5 month 12 0,-80,0,26,68,29 0,-90,0,36,90,42 0,-100,0,15,68,62 0,-100,0,0,0,62 0,-90,0,26,90,52 0,-90,0,21,90,63 0,-80,0,26,90,44 0,-70,0,15,90,49 55,-60,30,31,90,41 94,-50,74,0,0,50 114,-30,150,0,0,50 128,-10,273,21,270,46 127,0,461,0,0,40 117,10,523,0,0,44 102,10,448,36,270,39 67,-10,461,31,293,37 33,-10,120,21,315,34 12,-30,0,41,315,26 0,-40,0,41,293,43 0,-50,0,46,315,27 0,-60,0,41,315,29 0,-60,0,36,360,33 0,-60,0,41,360,29 0,-70,0,41,360,22 * day 6 month 12 0,-70,0,26,225,22 0,-80,0,0,0,19 0,-80,0,0,0,29 0,-80,0,0,0,29 0,-80,0,0,0,24 0,-90,0,0,0,21 0,-90,0,0,0,26 0,-90,0,0,0,31 60,-80,53,0,0,39 102,-60,144,0,0,54 122,-40,288,0,0,43 130,-10,402,0,0,31 129,0,345,15,225,37 121,0,250,15,203,42 101,10,172,21,225,47 71,20,200,0,0,44 34,20,120,0,0,50 13,10,0,15,225,52 0,10,0,15,225,54 0,0,0,15,225,66 0,0,0,26,225,66 0,0,0,31,248,69 0,-10,0,0,0,71 0,-20,0,0,0,71 * day 7 month 12 0,0,0,0,0,61 0,-10,0,0,0,63 0,-10,0,0,0,63 0,-20,0,0,0,58 0,-30,0,0,0,63 0,-40,0,0,0,64 0,-40,0,0,0,61 28,-30,109,0,0,53 73,-20,373,0,0,49 104,0,516,0,0,45 123,10,409,21,360,47 130,20,364,0,0,46 129,30,327,26,270,45 121,30,269,41,293,47 105,30,276,0,0,34 73,20,276,0,0,37 23,20,115,0,0,39 1,10,0,0,0,32 0,0,0,0,0,37 0,0,0,0,0,37 0,-10,0,0,0,43 0,-10,0,0,0,48 0,-20,0,0,0,49 0,-20,0,0,0,49 * day 8 month 12 0,-20,0,0,0,49 0,-20,0,0,0,43 0,-30,0,0,0,46 0,-40,0,0,0,50 0,-40,0,0,0,50 0,-50,0,0,0,50 0,-50,0,0,0,50 0,-50,0,0,0,50 67,-40,147,0,0,53 108,-20,326,0,0,31 123,-10,416,21,90,34 130,0,428,31,90,26 130,20,391,0,0,34 122,30,376,26,338,26 102,30,430,15,315,28 67,30,366,21,293,26 24,20,93,15,293,30 3,10,0,15,270,34 0,10,0,21,225,37 0,0,0,0,0,34 0,-10,0,0,0,40 0,-10,0,0,0,43 0,-20,0,0,0,52 0,-20,0,0,0,49 * day 9 month 12 0,-20,0,0,0,46 0,-20,0,0,0,43 0,-30,0,0,0,53 0,-30,0,0,0,46 0,-40,0,41,68,57 0,-50,0,46,68,38 0,-50,0,41,68,46 26,-50,30,46,90,42 73,-40,154,0,0,50 108,-30,272,0,0,40 123,-10,308,0,0,37 130,0,365,0,0,45 129,20,407,21,360,37 119,40,478,36,45,32 98,40,354,0,0,30 64,40,77,41,360,28 21,40,15,41,225,34 1,30,0,21,270,45 0,30,0,15,270,45 0,20,0,0,0,55 0,10,0,0,0,62 0,10,0,0,0,62 0,10,0,0,0,62 0,10,0,0,0,57 * day 10 month 12 0,10,0,0,0,59 0,10,0,0,0,49 0,0,0,31,248,56 0,-10,0,0,0,71 0,-10,0,0,0,83 0,-10,0,0,0,83 0,-20,0,0,0,92 19,-20,1,0,0,86 64,-10,195,0,0,80 107,0,373,0,0,69 120,10,288,0,0,67 127,20,294,15,270,60 129,30,411,15,293,53 121,40,437,31,360,60 102,40,348,21,360,42 70,30,142,21,338,43 24,20,47,15,315,50 3,10,0,15,338,54 0,10,0,31,338,47 0,0,0,0,0,50 0,-10,0,0,0,51 0,-10,0,0,0,48 0,-10,0,0,0,43 0,-20,0,0,0,43 * day 11 month 12 0,-10,0,0,0,40 0,-20,0,0,0,46 0,-20,0,0,0,43 0,-30,0,0,0,50 0,-30,0,0,0,46 0,-30,0,0,0,46 0,-20,0,0,0,43 28,-20,98,0,0,46 78,-10,151,0,0,48 104,0,334,0,0,50 122,10,408,0,0,59 129,40,299,0,0,44 127,50,241,0,0,43 120,60,269,0,0,40 105,60,278,0,0,40 73,50,243,0,0,41 35,50,112,0,0,39 14,40,0,0,0,44 0,40,0,0,0,48 0,30,0,0,0,51 0,20,0,0,0,55 0,10,0,0,0,57 0,10,0,0,0,54 0,0,0,0,0,61 * day 12 month 12 0,0,0,0,0,58 0,0,0,0,0,58 0,-10,0,0,0,57 0,-10,0,0,0,48 0,-20,0,26,90,52 0,-20,0,26,68,74 0,-30,0,0,0,66 22,-30,10,0,0,69 67,-20,180,21,90,55 107,0,351,21,45,61 123,20,391,26,68,44 130,40,390,26,68,42 129,50,385,15,23,78 122,60,374,15,360,69 102,60,256,0,0,52 70,50,92,0,0,52 23,40,50,0,0,54 2,40,0,15,225,48 0,30,0,0,0,58 0,20,0,0,0,60 0,10,0,0,0,64 0,0,0,0,0,69 0,0,0,0,0,64 0,-10,0,0,0,71 * day 13 month 12 0,0,0,0,0,69 0,0,0,0,0,72 0,0,0,0,0,69 0,0,0,0,0,69 0,0,0,0,0,66 0,0,0,15,248,64 0,10,0,21,248,54 9,10,0,0,0,64 43,20,9,0,0,57 93,30,152,21,270,56 121,40,247,41,360,50 127,50,362,51,270,43 128,50,470,46,315,48 120,40,341,46,270,40 102,40,185,62,270,40 59,30,77,57,248,49 19,30,0,62,225,51 3,20,0,51,225,50 0,10,0,41,225,64 0,0,0,31,225,58 0,-10,0,26,225,74 0,-20,0,31,248,77 0,-20,0,41,225,86 0,-20,0,41,248,80 * day 14 month 12 0,-20,0,41,360,52 0,-30,0,31,270,53 0,-30,0,41,360,43 0,-40,0,36,360,36 0,-50,0,31,248,31 0,-70,0,41,360,36 0,-70,0,26,248,40 26,-70,71,31,248,40 70,-60,300,36,248,37 99,-50,538,26,270,38 114,-40,586,26,270,36 121,-30,605,31,270,40 120,-20,627,21,248,37 112,-20,607,15,270,37 98,-20,395,26,248,31 73,-30,193,21,293,26 23,-40,102,15,293,28 1,-50,0,36,248,38 0,-50,0,15,293,35 0,-60,0,31,248,41 0,-70,0,15,315,36 0,-80,0,0,0,44 0,-80,0,0,0,34 0,-80,0,0,0,34 * day 15 month 12 0,-80,0,0,0,29 0,-80,0,0,0,29 0,-90,0,0,0,31 0,-90,0,0,0,31 0,-90,0,0,0,37 0,-100,0,0,0,40 0,-90,0,0,0,37 26,-90,66,0,0,37 69,-80,298,0,0,34 105,-60,404,21,23,29 122,-40,348,36,45,28 129,-30,383,36,45,46 129,-10,405,0,0,26 122,-10,374,0,0,26 105,-10,293,0,0,20 73,-10,187,26,248,34 30,-10,77,0,0,26 8,-20,0,0,0,34 0,-20,0,0,0,34 0,-30,0,0,0,36 0,-30,0,0,0,36 0,-30,0,0,0,40 0,-40,0,0,0,43 0,-40,0,0,0,46 * day 16 month 12 0,-40,0,0,0,39 0,-40,0,0,0,43 0,-50,0,51,45,42 0,-50,0,0,0,42 0,-50,0,36,68,46 0,-40,0,0,0,43 0,-40,0,21,68,57 0,-40,0,21,68,71 60,-30,71,0,0,59 102,-20,180,15,45,40 121,-10,315,21,68,51 129,10,329,15,68,44 128,20,280,0,0,55 120,20,249,21,270,37 104,20,190,0,0,57 73,10,265,0,0,54 26,10,130,0,0,57 3,0,0,0,0,69 0,0,0,0,0,50 0,-10,0,0,0,34 0,-20,0,0,0,61 0,-20,0,0,0,40 0,-30,0,0,0,53 0,-30,0,0,0,53 * day 17 month 12 0,-10,0,41,90,43 0,-20,0,41,90,43 0,-30,0,31,68,53 0,-30,0,41,68,69 0,-20,0,41,90,64 0,-10,0,41,90,57 0,-10,0,36,68,54 0,-10,0,21,68,48 49,0,27,36,45,45 90,0,62,41,68,42 91,10,45,46,68,39 84,20,17,36,68,37 102,20,98,26,45,34 100,30,100,36,68,38 74,40,17,21,23,36 45,40,10,0,0,34 10,30,0,0,0,34 0,30,0,0,0,43 0,20,0,21,360,50 0,20,0,21,360,50 0,10,0,0,0,71 0,0,0,0,0,77 0,-10,0,0,0,85 0,-10,0,0,0,80 * day 18 month 12 0,-10,0,0,0,88 0,-10,0,0,0,83 0,-10,0,0,0,91 0,-20,0,0,0,92 0,-30,0,0,0,76 0,-30,0,0,0,69 0,-30,0,15,225,63 21,-40,2,0,0,64 56,-40,316,0,0,61 97,-20,558,0,0,58 116,0,537,21,360,58 124,20,536,15,293,50 124,30,554,15,293,47 116,30,537,26,270,43 100,20,486,41,248,44 71,20,333,41,270,46 27,10,99,31,270,47 3,-10,0,36,270,46 0,-20,0,46,248,34 0,-30,0,36,248,40 0,-30,0,26,225,33 0,-40,0,21,293,36 0,-50,0,15,293,31 0,-60,0,0,0,33 * day 19 month 12 0,-60,0,0,0,33 0,-70,0,0,0,36 0,-70,0,0,0,36 0,-80,0,0,0,48 0,-70,0,0,0,45 0,-70,0,15,225,40 0,-60,0,0,0,41 26,-60,83,0,0,41 73,-50,235,0,0,27 106,-40,307,0,0,39 122,-40,299,0,0,25 128,-30,264,21,315,33 127,-30,259,36,360,30 119,-20,231,15,270,25 104,-20,215,0,0,25 58,-20,151,0,0,25 21,-20,0,26,225,21 8,-30,0,15,225,20 0,-30,0,21,225,20 0,-40,0,0,0,25 0,-50,0,0,0,35 0,-50,0,0,0,31 0,-60,0,0,0,33 0,-60,0,0,0,29 * day 20 month 12 0,-50,0,15,68,27 0,-60,0,15,45,29 0,-70,0,15,45,31 0,-70,0,21,45,45 0,-60,0,31,45,54 0,-50,0,31,45,38 0,-40,0,41,45,43 0,-40,0,31,45,71 47,-40,21,31,45,64 95,-30,173,21,23,63 121,-20,354,0,0,58 127,0,468,15,225,74 124,10,552,21,270,64 117,20,472,31,360,48 101,20,462,31,270,50 67,10,486,31,270,47 28,10,140,31,270,32 6,0,0,36,225,29 0,-10,0,36,225,34 0,-20,0,21,270,37 0,-20,0,15,270,37 0,-30,0,0,0,26 0,-40,0,0,0,50 0,-50,0,0,0,35 * day 21 month 12 0,-40,0,0,0,28 0,-50,0,0,0,35 0,-50,0,0,0,35 0,-60,0,0,0,41 0,-70,0,0,0,45 0,-70,0,15,68,45 0,-80,0,0,0,39 16,-80,1,0,0,48 60,-70,97,0,0,45 100,-50,149,0,0,46 116,-30,201,0,0,43 128,0,288,0,0,34 129,20,374,0,0,39 120,30,459,26,270,36 102,30,441,0,0,34 72,20,270,0,0,34 28,10,77,26,225,30 3,0,0,21,203,45 0,-10,0,0,0,48 0,-20,0,0,0,43 0,-30,0,0,0,33 0,-30,0,0,0,40 0,-40,0,0,0,50 0,-40,0,15,68,53 * day 22 month 12 0,-40,0,15,68,53 0,-50,0,0,0,58 0,-50,0,26,68,58 0,-60,0,31,45,79 0,-70,0,21,45,85 0,-70,0,51,45,58 0,-60,0,41,45,58 0,-50,0,46,45,42 31,-40,0,51,45,39 73,-30,31,46,45,36 107,-20,112,51,45,31 123,0,192,62,68,32 124,10,202,41,68,42 119,20,212,36,68,41 104,30,198,31,45,43 64,30,86,26,45,38 19,30,2,26,68,43 1,20,0,0,0,41 0,10,0,0,0,47 0,10,0,0,0,54 0,0,0,0,0,58 0,0,0,41,90,61 0,-10,0,26,68,60 0,-10,0,21,68,60 * day 23 month 12 0,-20,0,31,68,61 0,-20,0,21,68,64 0,-30,0,36,90,63 0,-30,0,41,90,56 0,-40,0,46,68,71 0,-40,0,46,68,78 0,-30,0,41,90,69 23,-30,47,51,68,66 70,-20,169,46,90,64 104,-10,351,46,68,66 121,10,407,41,90,64 129,30,363,36,68,58 129,50,331,41,68,59 120,60,261,26,45,52 105,70,201,0,0,45 72,60,135,0,0,48 24,50,44,21,180,50 2,40,0,26,180,42 0,40,0,0,0,44 0,30,0,0,0,53 0,30,0,0,0,51 0,30,0,41,225,51 0,30,0,0,0,51 0,30,0,0,0,53 * day 24 month 12 0,30,0,0,0,51 0,20,0,41,225,55 0,20,0,0,0,57 0,10,0,36,180,59 0,10,0,0,0,62 0,20,0,0,0,64 0,20,0,26,203,66 17,20,3,41,203,73 62,20,113,36,225,64 102,20,311,51,225,60 121,30,394,62,248,53 127,40,469,41,270,40 119,50,627,46,270,33 112,50,606,41,248,30 104,40,414,41,270,38 77,30,276,36,248,36 27,20,121,41,248,46 2,0,0,21,225,50 0,-10,0,0,0,48 0,-20,0,0,0,46 0,-30,0,0,0,50 0,-40,0,0,0,46 0,-40,0,0,0,46 0,-50,0,0,0,46 * day 25 month 12 0,-50,0,0,0,50 0,-60,0,0,0,54 0,-60,0,0,0,54 0,-70,0,0,0,49 0,-70,0,0,0,58 0,-60,0,0,0,54 0,-60,0,0,0,50 0,-50,0,15,68,46 56,-50,69,0,0,50 101,-40,261,0,0,53 120,-20,440,0,0,55 127,10,504,15,293,30 126,10,523,31,293,30 119,20,509,36,270,23 104,20,459,21,293,21 73,10,308,26,270,27 26,0,99,21,270,29 1,0,0,21,248,32 0,-10,0,15,225,46 0,-20,0,21,225,52 0,-20,0,15,203,18 0,-30,0,0,0,26 0,-40,0,0,0,32 0,-40,0,0,0,32 * day 26 month 12 0,-40,0,0,0,36 0,-50,0,21,90,31 0,-50,0,26,90,35 0,-50,0,41,90,27 0,-60,0,36,90,33 0,-60,0,31,90,33 0,-60,0,41,90,33 21,-60,40,46,90,33 67,-50,166,41,90,27 104,-30,322,41,68,30 121,-10,379,36,68,31 129,10,386,41,90,49 130,30,391,31,68,41 122,50,373,15,45,28 107,60,291,51,225,36 77,70,190,41,225,42 29,60,95,26,225,48 3,50,0,21,225,46 0,50,0,15,203,54 0,30,0,0,0,56 0,30,0,0,0,64 0,20,0,0,0,60 0,10,0,0,0,64 0,-10,0,0,0,68 * day 27 month 12 0,10,0,0,0,54 0,0,0,21,90,45 0,-10,0,36,90,54 0,-20,0,41,90,58 0,-20,0,31,90,61 0,-30,0,36,90,53 0,-30,0,31,90,53 21,-40,28,31,68,68 63,-30,240,21,90,56 102,-20,413,26,90,61 121,-10,341,26,68,57 127,10,250,15,68,54 126,20,220,15,68,46 119,40,202,0,0,48 102,40,160,0,0,52 73,50,84,0,0,45 33,40,60,0,0,46 8,30,0,0,0,58 0,20,0,0,0,60 0,10,0,0,0,59 0,10,0,0,0,54 0,0,0,0,0,72 0,0,0,0,0,61 0,-10,0,0,0,60 * day 28 month 12 0,0,0,46,90,56 0,-10,0,41,90,57 0,-10,0,31,90,60 0,-20,0,21,68,58 0,-20,0,26,90,61 0,-10,0,31,90,54 0,-10,0,0,0,54 14,-20,0,0,0,49 55,-20,62,0,0,58 100,-10,159,0,0,71 119,10,229,21,90,69 128,30,336,21,68,51 128,40,327,31,68,60 120,50,221,31,68,50 106,60,221,0,0,47 78,50,183,41,68,50 28,40,94,21,68,44 2,40,0,0,0,48 0,30,0,0,0,53 0,30,0,31,90,53 0,20,0,5,68,57 0,20,0,31,68,60 0,10,0,26,68,57 0,10,0,31,68,54 * day 29 month 12 0,20,0,26,90,53 0,10,0,36,68,54 0,0,0,0,0,66 0,-10,0,0,0,63 0,0,0,51,68,58 0,10,0,41,68,71 0,10,0,41,68,71 20,20,26,41,68,50 65,20,119,36,68,53 100,30,157,26,23,49 113,30,143,0,0,56 121,40,159,26,68,64 117,50,133,31,68,54 113,60,133,0,0,50 92,70,94,0,0,47 60,60,15,0,0,47 23,60,12,0,0,52 1,50,0,0,0,80 0,40,0,0,0,84 0,40,0,0,0,72 0,30,0,15,248,73 0,30,0,21,203,70 0,30,0,15,203,73 0,20,0,15,225,76 * day 30 month 12 0,30,0,15,225,70 0,30,0,21,225,70 0,20,0,0,0,73 0,10,0,0,0,79 0,20,0,0,0,73 0,20,0,0,0,71 0,20,0,0,0,78 0,30,0,0,0,66 42,30,7,0,0,66 87,40,250,0,0,64 119,50,324,0,0,61 121,60,165,0,0,57 119,50,136,26,203,56 117,50,185,0,0,56 107,40,283,21,270,56 78,40,258,15,270,52 30,30,108,0,0,49 5,30,0,0,0,53 0,20,0,0,0,64 0,10,0,0,0,64 0,0,0,0,0,66 0,0,0,0,0,56 0,-10,0,0,0,60 0,-20,0,0,0,61 * day 31 month 12 0,-20,0,15,270,95 0,-30,0,0,0,89 0,-30,0,0,0,63 0,-30,0,0,0,63 0,-40,0,0,0,61 0,-40,0,0,0,61 0,-40,0,0,0,68 0,-40,0,0,0,68 65,-40,83,0,0,64 102,-20,212,0,0,64 121,0,261,0,0,61 123,10,194,0,0,64 112,10,106,0,0,62 95,10,49,0,0,54 88,10,52,0,0,54 72,20,58,0,0,50 34,10,45,0,0,54 8,10,0,0,0,64 0,0,0,0,0,64 0,0,0,0,0,56 0,0,0,0,0,53 0,0,0,0,0,53 0,0,0,0,0,50 0,-10,0,0,0,51 From aresilja at stud.ntnu.no Tue Feb 17 08:02:10 2009 From: aresilja at stud.ntnu.no (aresilja at stud.ntnu.no) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 09:02:10 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] water-glycol-mixing for solar collector Message-ID: <20090217090210.ja1898k3uos04o4g@webmail.ntnu.no> Dear all, A comment to the list back in 2007: "The simplified one-node solar collector model that Kamel mentioned in an earlier email supports two-phase flow (that is glycol and water mixtures). Kamel also modified the pump, tank and heat-exchanger models to support glycol mixtures." Is it so that there exist special pump, tank and heat-exchanger models which supports a water-glycol-mix and works in combination with the simplified flat plate solar collector? Regards, Are S. B?rset From patrick at janssen.name Tue Feb 17 11:49:52 2009 From: patrick at janssen.name (Patrick Janssen) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:49:52 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] api Message-ID: Hi all, I have a project where we need to interface with esp-r at a programmatic level - i.e. we need to invoke esp-r from another application that we are developing, and we don't need the esp-r gui. Ideally, we want a way of getting teh data into esp-r, running the simulation, and the getting teh data out again, all without any file writing. Are there any api's that might simplify this task - I realise the software is open source, but delving into the core code is quite daunting. I am wondering if anyone has created a higher level api. If not, then maybe someone could point us to the righ place to start looking at the esp-r code. Regards Patrick :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Dr Patrick Janssen Department of Architecture National University of Singapore http://patrick.janssen.name patrick at janssen.name :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090217/808912e4/attachment.html From obrien_liam at hotmail.com Tue Feb 17 14:10:02 2009 From: obrien_liam at hotmail.com (Liam O'Brien) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 09:10:02 -0500 Subject: [esp-r] Re: api In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Patrick, I'm currently using MATLAB to modify input files, run simulations, and extract the results. Here's an example command for running the simulation in MATLAB: dos('C:\HOT3000ReleaseCandidate2\bps -file C:\HOT3000ReleaseCandidate2\user\WizardHouse\cfg\WizardHouse.cfg -mode text -p def silent'); Where dos is the MATLAB command to run a program from the command line, the first term is the location of bps, the second in the cfg location, and def is the result set name. That was used to simulate an ESP-r model made in HOT3000, but it would be the same for models made directly in ESP-r. I don't think there's any need to modify ESP-r code. The hardest part is figuring out some of the input file structures. But you can deduce what things mean by using prj at first to modify one thing at a time and see how the input files change. Of course, you could look at the ESP-r code directly to see how the input files are interpreted, but I didn't find this necessary. The results can be extracted fairly easily from the CSV or XML output files. Hope that helps. Liam O'BrienDate: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:49:52 +0800 From: patrick at janssen.name To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] api Hi all, I have a project where we need to interface with esp-r at a programmatic level - i.e. we need to invoke esp-r from another application that we are developing, and we don't need the esp-r gui. Ideally, we want a way of getting teh data into esp-r, running the simulation, and the getting teh data out again, all without any file writing. Are there any api's that might simplify this task - I realise the software is open source, but delving into the core code is quite daunting. I am wondering if anyone has created a higher level api. If not, then maybe someone could point us to the righ place to start looking at the esp-r code. Regards Patrick:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Dr Patrick Janssen Department of Architecture National University of Singapore http://patrick.janssen.name patrick at janssen.name :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: _________________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090217/e7aa165e/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Feb 17 14:22:33 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:22:33 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: api In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4131CF346B6D5@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> There is a facility which we call the flat-file format which holds most of the data needed to generate an ESP-r model. This file is passed to the project manager (prj) in the command line and it converts this into the majority of an ESP-r model. There is almost no interaction required. There are several 3rd party developers who are working on generating this flat-file. Details of the data structure can be found in the archive folder of the ESP-r source distribution. This file format is gradually being extended as time permits. We would welcome your comments. Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Patrick Janssen [patrick at janssen.name] Sent: 17 February 2009 11:49 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] api Hi all, I have a project where we need to interface with esp-r at a programmatic level - i.e. we need to invoke esp-r from another application that we are developing, and we don't need the esp-r gui. Ideally, we want a way of getting teh data into esp-r, running the simulation, and the getting teh data out again, all without any file writing. Are there any api's that might simplify this task - I realise the software is open source, but delving into the core code is quite daunting. I am wondering if anyone has created a higher level api. If not, then maybe someone could point us to the righ place to start looking at the esp-r code. Regards Patrick :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Dr Patrick Janssen Department of Architecture National University of Singapore http://patrick.janssen.name patrick at janssen.name :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: From Drury.Crawley at ee.doe.gov Tue Feb 17 14:20:54 2009 From: Drury.Crawley at ee.doe.gov (Crawley, Drury) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 09:20:54 -0500 Subject: [esp-r] Re: exporting epw In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B55C0CF3DB1354A9524C7D455EE6D4901DDB438@HQGTNEVS-04.doe.local> EnergyPlus comes with a weather converter which can translate CLM text files to EPW format. A good test -- convert it to EPW and back to CLM. ________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:27 AM To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] exporting epw Dear users I am trying to make a model for comparing the simulation result of esp-r to that of the energy plus. I want to export the epw file from my clm db in esp-r. (seoul default weather data - You can't find it in energy.gov) Does somebody have any idea about this? When I convert the current weather db(ascii) to epw using the converter on the energyplus, I just got error message. Thank you for your answers in advance. Lewis Yook p.s. let me attach the weather file (ascii) for your reference -- Team Manager, Integrated Simulation Unit. Design and Simulation for Sustainability (DASS) consultants Ltd. 143-834 Venture Center 304-ho 632-9 Guui-dong Gwangjin-gu, Seoul, Korea T. 82.2.913.2585 F. 82.2.949.2585 H. www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090217/7f841786/attachment.html From paul at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Feb 17 20:28:49 2009 From: paul at esru.strath.ac.uk (Paul Strachan) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:28:49 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Double Skin Facade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <499B1E01.7000404@esru.strath.ac.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090217/a1d147d8/attachment.html From rodrigo.jpg at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 21:07:53 2009 From: rodrigo.jpg at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Rodrigo_P=E9rez?=) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:07:53 -0300 Subject: [esp-r] Obstruccion Solar & HVAC Message-ID: <499b272d.1ab17e0a.1537.ffffe9e9@mx.google.com> Hi All, The results delivered by a simulation (energy balance, gain / loss) can be used to see the selection of HVAC equipment, such as? By placing an obstruction for sol in a wall, in the simulation is integrates data the sunshine obstruction on the wall? Los resultados entregados por una simulaci?n (balance de energ?a, ganancias / perdidas) pueden ser usados para seleccionar una equipo de HVAC, como? Al colocar un obst?culo para el sol en una pared, en la simulaci?n se integran los datos de obstrucci?n del sol en la pared? Rodrigo Perez. Universidad de Santiago de Chile. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090217/df23044f/attachment.html From David.Tang at owenscorning.com Wed Feb 18 05:46:30 2009 From: David.Tang at owenscorning.com (Tang, David) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:46:30 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] Esp-r run from USB for download References: <499544C5.1080806@esru.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <8E334BEBBF31D54B9989B206FB4A6D09052549FF@shos6101.ap.corp.owenscorning.com> All, I managed to convince my IT dept setting up the following ftp for download. ftp.owenscorning.com Username: OCEnergySolutions1 Password: Nergy4me! 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Translations available: http://www.owenscorning.com/emailfooter.html From Leen.Peeters at mech.kuleuven.be Thu Feb 19 09:54:53 2009 From: Leen.Peeters at mech.kuleuven.be (Leen Peeters) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:54:53 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] opaque and transparant Message-ID: dear all, in bcfunc, in routine MZRMIXT I found the following: C IMRTT - Defines the position of the MRT sensor within the zone C IMRTT=1 : selected surfaces associated with sensor C IMRTT=2 : all surfaces associated with sensor C ITSC - dictates whether or not transparent surfaces can influence C the sensor. C ITSC=0 : no C ITSC=1 : yes C NSAMRT - corresponds to IMRTT=1 and is an index of the number of C surfaces associated with the MRT sensor C IMRTS - identifies which surfaces are used in the MRT calculation C Fix sensor type for now. IMRTT(IC)=2 ITSC(IC)=1 C Summate product of internal surface temperatures (opaque C and transparent), and corresponding areas. TAI=TFUT NC=NCONST(ICMP) TMRT=TAI SUM=0. AREA=0. call eclose(RAD,0.00,0.1,close) IF(close)GOTO 8 C Opaque internal surfaces. DO 20 J=1,NC IF(IMRTT(IC).EQ.2)GOTO 3 JJ=J DO 50 K=1,NSAMRT(IC) IF(JJ.NE.IMRTS(IC,K))GOTO 50 GOTO 3 50 CONTINUE GOTO 20 3 TO=TFS(ICMP,J) SUM=SUM+TO*SNA(ICMP,J) AREA=AREA+SNA(ICMP,J) 20 CONTINUE C Compute weighted temperature. IF(AREA.LE.0.)GOTO 1000 TMRT=SUM/AREA MRT=TMRT 8 TMIX=CONV*TAI+RAD*TMRT GOTO 7 1000 call edisp(iuout, & ' MZMIXT: zero area associated with the mrt sensor!') write(outs,'(A,I3)')' Zone',ICMP call edisp(iuout,outs) 7 RETURN END To calculate the MRT for the radiant heat exchange between a TAB element and the zone, it should indeed only include the opaque surfaces. However, to calculate the MRT as sensed by an occupant (and thus the value to pass to a controller) it should include the transparant surfaces as well. As far as I get the routine, IMRTT is always set to 2 and consequently all surfaces, opaque or transparant are included.... When I grep for a flag indicating a material/surface to be transparent or opaque, I found 'OPAQ', which is not included in this routine ... Can anyone possibly explain this to me? Thanks, Leen Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Feb 20 14:34:36 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:34:36 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Obstruccion Solar & HVAC In-Reply-To: <499b272d.1ab17e0a.1537.ffffe9e9@mx.google.com> References: <499b272d.1ab17e0a.1537.ffffe9e9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4131CF4B8CB10@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A recent question about sunshine on walls. ESP-r can provide a zone energy balance as well as a surface energy balance - e.g. all of the gains and losses that go to make up the energy balance at the zone air node AND each of the types of flux that occur at each surface in the model. Some people use this to learn about performance in rooms and at surfaces. Each of the separate gains and losses can be plotted or listed at each time step or exported to a file. Can be a powerful facility for those with a good background in building physics. ESP-r can be asked to calculate the distribution of direct and diffuse solar radiation on a surface if there is an 'obstruction block' that might block some of the solar radiation. ESP-r does not currently predict the temperature of the obstruction/overhang/fin. If the introduction of solar shading alters the demand for cooling then this should become clear during assessments. Some users would create two buildings within the model - one with shading and one without - in order to do direct comparisons. -ESRU ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Rodrigo P?rez [rodrigo.jpg at gmail.com] Sent: 17 February 2009 21:07 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Obstruccion Solar & HVAC Hi All, The results delivered by a simulation (energy balance, gain / loss) can be used to see the selection of HVAC equipment, such as? By placing an obstruction for sol in a wall, in the simulation is integrates data the sunshine obstruction on the wall? Los resultados entregados por una simulaci?n (balance de energ?a, ganancias / perdidas) pueden ser usados para seleccionar una equipo de HVAC, como? Al colocar un obst?culo para el sol en una pared, en la simulaci?n se integran los datos de obstrucci?n del sol en la pared? Rodrigo Perez. Universidad de Santiago de Chile. From Leen.Peeters at mech.kuleuven.be Fri Feb 20 14:33:47 2009 From: Leen.Peeters at mech.kuleuven.be (Leen Peeters) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:33:47 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] g-value of glass Message-ID: all, could anyone explain me how I can calculate the g-value of a certain, user added, glazing type? thanks! Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm From clement.marcel at viherio.fr Sat Feb 21 07:46:30 2009 From: clement.marcel at viherio.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Cl=E9ment_MARCEL?=) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 08:46:30 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] numerical error Message-ID: Dear all, does somebody see an error indicates : "mzsad1: numerical error after 1 time-steps. (Hour 1 on year day 8). e(iconst, n) = -14399999.000000 a1 = -14399998.000000" It seems to appear when I add too many glazings or surfaces ? Thanks From paul at esru.strath.ac.uk Sat Feb 21 14:56:38 2009 From: paul at esru.strath.ac.uk (Paul Strachan) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 14:56:38 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: g-value of glass In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49A01626.4060904@esru.strath.ac.uk> Leen, There is a calculation based on some standardised assumptions if you go into the constructions database and choose the "view g-value" option. Paul Leen Peeters wrote: > all, > > could anyone explain me how I can calculate the g-value of a certain, user added, glazing type? > > > thanks! > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > From Leen.Peeters at mech.kuleuven.be Sun Feb 22 10:56:28 2009 From: Leen.Peeters at mech.kuleuven.be (Leen Peeters) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 11:56:28 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: g-value of glass In-Reply-To: <49A01626.4060904@esru.strath.ac.uk> References: , <49A01626.4060904@esru.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: Paul, there is, but it does not work. Furthermore, I found in the mailinglist (2 years back, I think) that the calculation of the g-value is based on a standard (En 410 if I remember well) and that the actual g-value is indeed based on a range of assumptions. However, I find no info on the kind of assumptions made, nor on there possible impact. So, if anyone could provide me with that.... ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Paul Strachan [paul at esru.strath.ac.uk] Sent: 21 February 2009 15:56 To: Leen Peeters Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: g-value of glass Leen, There is a calculation based on some standardised assumptions if you go into the constructions database and choose the "view g-value" option. Paul Leen Peeters wrote: > all, > > could anyone explain me how I can calculate the g-value of a certain, user added, glazing type? > > > thanks! > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm From Leen.Peeters at mech.kuleuven.be Sun Feb 22 13:36:37 2009 From: Leen.Peeters at mech.kuleuven.be (Leen Peeters) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:36:37 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] sensible heat gains Message-ID: Dear all, the sensible heat gains due to persons are, according to ASHRAE in the range of 65W to 185 W, depending on the person's activity. Currently, when giving an input in the range of for example 69.5, ESP-r gives a warning 'the sensible gain value (69.500) > maximum 50.000 the same for the latent gains ... Shouldn't this be adapted? Of course there are tricks around... dividing the gains of 2 over 3 persons .... But the message remains in conflict with the ASHRAE-values Leen Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Feb 23 09:26:59 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:26:59 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: numerical error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4131CF4B8CB15@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> It would be consistent with reported e and a1 values that the application is attempting to access memory out of bounds. The question is how you were able to create a model which is more complex than the simulator can cope with. There should be warnings given in the interface if the next surface to be added is more than the application can take. If you got past those warnings then we need to make sure that the program shouts louder or that the simulator exits with a suitable warning message that the model is overly complex. And it is possible to re-compile ESP-r to support more than the standard model complexity. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Cl?ment MARCEL [clement.marcel at viherio.fr] Sent: 21 February 2009 07:46 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] numerical error Dear all, does somebody see an error indicates : "mzsad1: numerical error after 1 time-steps. (Hour 1 on year day 8). e(iconst, n) = -14399999.000000 a1 = -14399998.000000" It seems to appear when I add too many glazings or surfaces ? Thanks _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk Mon Feb 23 11:17:03 2009 From: aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk (Aizaz Samuel) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:17:03 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: g-value of glass In-Reply-To: References: <49A01626.4060904@esru.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <200902231117.03335.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> Leen, The standard is BS EN 410:1998 as you rightly said. The standard gives formulae assuming spectral properties are known. Within the code this has been simplified for monochromatic light, so the output you get from ESP-r makes some assumptions. All that ESP-r does is report g-values. These are not used in calculations and there is no impact on thermal results. Regards, Aizaz On Sunday 22 February 2009 10:56, Leen Peeters wrote: > Paul, > > there is, but it does not work. Furthermore, I found in the mailinglist (2 > years back, I think) that the calculation of the g-value is based on a > standard (En 410 if I remember well) and that the actual g-value is indeed > based on a range of assumptions. However, I find no info on the kind of > assumptions made, nor on there possible impact. > > So, if anyone could provide me with that.... > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Paul Strachan [paul at esru.strath.ac.uk] Sent: 21 February 2009 > 15:56 > To: Leen Peeters > Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Re: g-value of glass > > Leen, > > There is a calculation based on some standardised assumptions if you go > into the constructions database and choose the "view g-value" option. > > Paul > > Leen Peeters wrote: > > all, > > > > could anyone explain me how I can calculate the g-value of a certain, > > user added, glazing type? > > > > > > thanks! > > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > esp-r mailing list > > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From Leen.Peeters at mech.kuleuven.be Tue Feb 24 18:27:51 2009 From: Leen.Peeters at mech.kuleuven.be (Leen Peeters) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:27:51 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] adjustment of specific heat capacity of air to model effect of furniture Message-ID: Dear all, I was checking the code in order to find the exact location to adjust the heat capacity of air in order to model the effect of furniture in a zone. Is there a standard way to do so? In BCL22 I saw it was stated as AIRCAP, but that does seem to appear in that controller only... The ASHRAE fundamentals do not mention the topic 'furniture', I know the TRNSYS people use an increase of the air capacity with a factor 5 to 10 as a rule of thumb, but is there no general guidance for that? Thanks! Leen Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm From Leen.Peeters at mech.kuleuven.be Tue Feb 24 18:39:14 2009 From: Leen.Peeters at mech.kuleuven.be (Leen Peeters) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:39:14 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: adjustment of specific heat capacity of air to model effect of furniture In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ok, some further searching in the code gave me this (which is in esrubld/mstmsc, line 394 and following) C ********************************************************************* C CPair01 calculates the specific heat capacity of dry air (J/kg K) C as a function of temperature ( C ) (Marieke 1994, Ham 1984) C ********************************************************************* FUNCTION CPair01(TC) COMMON/OUTIN/IUOUT,IUIN CPair01=1006.0+TC/200.0+TC*TC/7.5E3 IF(CPair01.LT.0.0)then call edisp(iuout,'CPair01: negative specific heat capacity.') call epwait call epagend STOP endif RETURN END But then remains ... with what factor to adapt it? ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Leen Peeters [Leen.Peeters at mech.kuleuven.be] Sent: 24 February 2009 19:27 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] adjustment of specific heat capacity of air to model effect of furniture Dear all, I was checking the code in order to find the exact location to adjust the heat capacity of air in order to model the effect of furniture in a zone. Is there a standard way to do so? In BCL22 I saw it was stated as AIRCAP, but that does seem to appear in that controller only... The ASHRAE fundamentals do not mention the topic 'furniture', I know the TRNSYS people use an increase of the air capacity with a factor 5 to 10 as a rule of thumb, but is there no general guidance for that? Thanks! Leen Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Wed Feb 25 07:27:11 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 08:27:11 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: adjustment of specific heat capacity of air to model effect of furniture In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001c9971a$7c694f30$753bed90$@geissler@intergga.ch> Dear Leen Probably using the "hanging surface" approach for furniture in a zone is quite a bit easier. No obscure factors involved. Use a material like "wood" or the like (whatever the furniture is made of) and even place the surfaces such that the wireframe looks good (also good for export to radiance for nice client-oriented pictures). What happens in regard to ventilation heat loss if you use a factor on the capacity of air? Furniture will show a (slight) time lag in getting rid of excess heat, the air will not ... just one point that comes to mind. Regards Achim -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Leen Peeters Sent: Dienstag, 24. Februar 2009 19:39 To: Leen Peeters; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: adjustment of specific heat capacity of air to model effect of furniture Ok, some further searching in the code gave me this (which is in esrubld/mstmsc, line 394 and following) C ********************************************************************* C CPair01 calculates the specific heat capacity of dry air (J/kg K) C as a function of temperature ( C ) (Marieke 1994, Ham 1984) C ********************************************************************* FUNCTION CPair01(TC) COMMON/OUTIN/IUOUT,IUIN CPair01=1006.0+TC/200.0+TC*TC/7.5E3 IF(CPair01.LT.0.0)then call edisp(iuout,'CPair01: negative specific heat capacity.') call epwait call epagend STOP endif RETURN END But then remains ... with what factor to adapt it? ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Leen Peeters [Leen.Peeters at mech.kuleuven.be] Sent: 24 February 2009 19:27 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] adjustment of specific heat capacity of air to model effect of furniture Dear all, I was checking the code in order to find the exact location to adjust the heat capacity of air in order to model the effect of furniture in a zone. Is there a standard way to do so? In BCL22 I saw it was stated as AIRCAP, but that does seem to appear in that controller only... The ASHRAE fundamentals do not mention the topic 'furniture', I know the TRNSYS people use an increase of the air capacity with a factor 5 to 10 as a rule of thumb, but is there no general guidance for that? Thanks! Leen Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From jens.pfafferott at ise.fraunhofer.de Wed Feb 25 13:30:51 2009 From: jens.pfafferott at ise.fraunhofer.de (Jens Pfafferott) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:30:51 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] esp-r validation Message-ID: <49A5480B.7000501@ise.fraunhofer.de> hi everybody, has anybody ever used esp-r for LEED-certification according to ASHRAE standard 90.1 appendix G? has esp-r ever validated according to ASHRAE standard 140? (i haven't found anything in paul's "ESP-r: Summary of Validation Studies" from 2000.) thank you! -- Dr.-Ing. Jens Pfafferott Dep. Thermal Systems and Buildings Fraunhofer-Institut f?r Solare Energiesysteme ISE Heidenhofstrasse 2, 79110 Freiburg, Germany Phone: +49(0)761/4588-5129 Fax: +49(0)761/4588-9000 jens.pfafferott at ise.fraunhofer.de http://www.ise.fraunhofer.de From chandrayeeee at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 17:21:30 2009 From: chandrayeeee at gmail.com (Chandrayee Basu) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:21:30 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Problem with daylight simulation Message-ID: Hello All I am trying to implement daylight dimming system in ESP-r. Is it first necessary to mention incorporate lights under operational details and then create the casual gains control file. For a classroom first I have given a normal lighting schedule of 8:00-18:00 and then applied dimmable daylight dependant artifial light control with ideal dimming control type and calculation based on analytical daylight factor. After doing annual simulation the hours of lights is still 0. I have connected electrical data to lights but have not created any electrical result file. Could that be the reason? Anyway the use of lights should be registered even if there is not electrical connection. Btw. the glazing fraction is only 30% of the longer facade facing south. Thank you Chandrayee -- Chandrayee Basu (M.Tech) Schr?felhofstra?e 12, WG 07/02 81375 M?nchen +49-89-289-22403 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090226/f89af2d9/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Fri Feb 27 07:14:46 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 08:14:46 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problem with daylight simulation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000601c998ab$12a9fe90$37fdfbb0$@geissler@intergga.ch> Dear Chandrayee between 16.06.2006 and 21.06.2006 you can find some information on lighting and control in the list archive. Anyway, the additional electrical data is for an electric net. If you did not define an electric net, it is not used. Also, be aware that any data reported by res on controlled lighting is dubious, to say the least. Regards Achim From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Chandrayee Basu Sent: Donnerstag, 26. Februar 2009 18:22 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Problem with daylight simulation Hello All I am trying to implement daylight dimming system in ESP-r. Is it first necessary to mention incorporate lights under operational details and then create the casual gains control file. For a classroom first I have given a normal lighting schedule of 8:00-18:00 and then applied dimmable daylight dependant artifial light control with ideal dimming control type and calculation based on analytical daylight factor. After doing annual simulation the hours of lights is still 0. I have connected electrical data to lights but have not created any electrical result file. Could that be the reason? Anyway the use of lights should be registered even if there is not electrical connection. Btw. the glazing fraction is only 30% of the longer facade facing south. Thank you Chandrayee -- Chandrayee Basu (M.Tech) Schr?felhofstra?e 12, WG 07/02 81375 M?nchen +49-89-289-22403 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090227/602be218/attachment.html From paul at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Feb 27 11:31:01 2009 From: paul at esru.strath.ac.uk (Paul Strachan) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:31:01 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: esp-r validation In-Reply-To: <49A5480B.7000501@ise.fraunhofer.de> References: <49A5480B.7000501@ise.fraunhofer.de> Message-ID: <49A7CEF5.8080208@esru.strath.ac.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090227/6e30472e/attachment.html From sbucking at gmail.com Fri Feb 27 16:48:53 2009 From: sbucking at gmail.com (Scott Bucking) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:48:53 -0500 Subject: [esp-r] ESPr validation with gfortran/gcc4 Message-ID: <3114a7250902270848o67e7ea64s51f7bd284ac69721@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I found this on a mailing list from three years ago: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/2006/000125.html -------- > - When you mention numerical differences with the new GNU F77 compiler, > than this can only mean that building under gcc-g77 version 4 > has not been > tested and is strongly discouraged? This is a very > fundamental issue and > should be highlighted during the build procedure. The cross-platform testing testing mentioned above has been performed with the gcc4/gfortran compiler set and we observed as-yet-unexplained and non-trivial numerical differences compared with gcc3/g77. Until the cause of these differences are diagnosed we recommend the use of gcc3/g77. Our general impression is that the gfortran side of gcc4/gfortran is not yet quite a fully functional fortran compiler. -------- Has anyone recently performed validation on more recent toolchains under a Linux plaform (gcc4.3/gfortran)? I tend to keep my system updated, and am wondering if a separate version of gcc3/g77 is still necessary to avoid truncation/numerical discrepancies between compilers. Cheers, Scott Bucking From Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca Fri Feb 27 17:37:47 2009 From: Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca (Ferguson, Alex) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 12:37:47 -0500 Subject: [esp-r] Re: ESPr validation with gfortran/gcc4 In-Reply-To: <3114a7250902270848o67e7ea64s51f7bd284ac69721@mail.gmail.com> References: <3114a7250902270848o67e7ea64s51f7bd284ac69721@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >Has anyone recently performed validation on more recent toolchains >under a Linux plaform >(gcc4.3/gfortran)? > >I tend to keep my system updated, and am wondering if a separate >version of gcc3/g77 is still necessary to avoid truncation/numerical >discrepancies between compilers. Hi Scott, We've undertaken validation with gcc/gfortran 4.1 and 4.2, as well as the Intel compiler. Results are mixed; 4.1.2 seems the most stable (and is now recommended over gcc 3.4.X/ g77, while 4.2+ produces numerical exceptions. The next release (11.7) will likely default the Install script to use gFortran. A complete summary of the pre-release testing (including g77/gfortran/ifort/sun-f90 comparisons) completed for 11.6 follows. - Alex Alex Ferguson Sustainable Buildings and Communities (Housing Group) CanmetENERGY Natural Resources Canada P:+1 613 995 3294 F:+1 613 996 9909 Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca ====================== SUMMARY: ====================== - ESP-r compiles correctly on Linux, Cygwin, MinGW, Solaris and OSX. - Portability testing suggests that GCC 4.1.2 builds are actually more reliable than GCC3 builds. - GCC 4.2.3 builds are not as robust. - Some uncertainty remains in Intel builds, as well as builds on OSX. Recommendations: - Proceed with release 11.6. - The ESP-r 'reference' platform should be changed from Linux / GCC 3.4.6 to Linux / GCC 4.1.2 - Cygwin / GCC 3.4.6 and SUN CC builds should continue to be designated as stable - GCC 4.2+ and Intel builds should be used with caution. - Compiler optimization should be used with caution. - OSX / GCC 3.4.6 and MinGW / GCC 3.4.6 builds should be used with caution. Detailed results follow. ====================== Static Analysis: ====================== The Forcheck static analyzer warns of no additional coding errors in the current version of pre-release-patches. The total number of errors, warnings and informational numbers as declined from the last release. ====================== Regression testing: ====================== Changes since the last revision have introduced significant numerical differences into the results. But for the first time, all the numerical differences were anticipated by developers, and no unintended effects were observed during testing. Two revisions introduced numerical differences in to the results: r2838: This commit patched a long-standing bug in the water tank storage model. Predicted water temperatures in the plant network may differ by as much as 3oC; predicted casual gains in the space may differ by as much as 3W. r3088: This commit corrected an error in the application of relaxation to the plant network solution scheme. Predicted heat transfer in the plant may differ by as much as 400W (1%), predicted temperatures in the plant may differ by as much as 18oC in extreme cases. ====================== Portability testing: ====================== The release candidate can be successfully installed on the following platform, compiler and graphics library combinations. We've also added support for the Intel compiler suite on linux. Jon Hand has been experimenting with support for 64-bit architecture, but this work has not yet been generalized for inclusion in the public release. We've successfully installed ESP-r using the following 32-bit platform, compiler and graphics library combinations: Support for ESP-r on various compiler, platform and graphics library combinations. ============================================================= Compiler Library Linux Cygwin MinGW Sun OSX ============================================================= GCC 3.4.X X11 O O SUN CC X11 O GCC 3.4.4 X11 O noX O GCC 3.4.5 noX * GCC 3.4.6 X11 O GTK O noX O INTEL noX O X11 O GTK O GCC 4.1.2 X11 O GCC 4.2.3 X11 O ------------------------------------------------------------- Notes: O: Installs correctly. *: MinGW only installs correctly to absolute DOS paths (i.e. C:/ESRU) ============================================================= We've also undertaken a comprehensive comparison of the numerical results produced by ESP-r on various platforms. Previously, these comparisons were limited to various versions of the GCC compiler suite on Linux and cygwin. Since the last release, Jon Hand has worked to add support for XML-enabled builds on OSX and Solaris, using both the GCC and Sun compiler suites. Along with new support for the Intel compiler, these new capabilities add important reference points for our ongoing evaluation of GCC4/gFortran For the last few years, we've designated GCC 3.4.6/Linux builds as the reference version of ESP-r. Most ESP-r development and automated testing is based on this platform, and bps's numerical predictions on this platform receive scrutiny than any other. GCC 3's fortran 77 compiler (g77) has been obsoleted by gFortran, a fortran 90 compiler released with GCC 4. Results differ somewhat between g77 and gFortran builds, and we've been wondering if they're caused by bugs in g77 or gFortran, or perhaps poor ESP-r code that one of the compilers is more sensitive to. For the first time, we have additional reference points (Intel and Sun CC/f90) to perform these comparisons with. The following chart summarizes the significant observed differences between the and other platform and compiler combinations. The "Maximum difference" reflects the maximum observed difference observed in the test cases, excluding exceptional test cases that are discussed in section 'Problematic test cases', below.. Comparison of results from GCC4.1.2-compiled versions (X11, Linux) with builds from other platform/compilers. ============================================================= Arch. Platform Compiler Maximum difference (%) ------------------------------------------------------------- IA-32 CYGWIN GCC 3.4.4 3.18 LINUX GCC 3.4.6 3.18 GCC 4.2.3 0. (^1) Intel -O0 0.75 (^2) Intel -O2 38.781 PowerPC OSX GCC 3.4 16.1 Sparc SOLARIS Sun CC/f90 1.80 ------------------------------------------------------------- NOTES: 1. Some test cases produced numerical exceptions and floating point errors. See "Problematic Test Cases". 2. One test case produced a larger error (~13%). See below. ============================================================= Detailed scrutiny of the results revealed: - gFortran vs Intel iFort / SUN f90 --------------------------------- With optimization disabled, the results from SUN and Intel compilers consistently agree more closely with GCC 4.1.2 / gFortran than they do with GCC 3.4.6 / g77. These results suggest GCC 4.1.2 can be used with confidence, and indeed, should be recommended in place of g77. - Stability of gFortran --------------------- GCC 4.2.3 builds encounter numerical exceptions in a handful of test cases that ran correctly in all other compilers (See "problematic test cases", below). I recommend GCC 4.2+ builds be regarded as 'beta' until this issue is resolved. - Intel iFort results: effect of optimization ------------------------------------------- With optimization deactivated, the Intel compiler consistently produced results close to the gFortran and Sun f90 builds. But when the default optimization is activated (using the -O2) option, agreement between the Intel and GCC 4.1.2 compiler deteriorates considerably. Nearly all of the models exhibit small, non-trace differences, and in every case these differences were slightly, or significantly larger than those observed with optimization deactivated. Its possible this error is due to bugs in Intel's optimization algorithm, but poor code in ESP-r is more likely the culprit. For instance, when -O0 is specified, the compiler ensures that arguement mismatches in procedure calls are properly converted, but does not perform these conversions by default. This problem might occur in GCC builds as well. By default, GCC uses no optimization. I suspect similar issues might appear if -O2 is specified for g77/gFortran builds. For these reasons, application of optimization options with ESP-r is not presently recommended. - Intel iFort results: test case bld_hc_ISO15099 /HC -------------------------------------------------- Newly added for this release, this test case continues to cause headaches. Intel-compiled versions of bps exhibit significant differences from g77/gFortran builds: - MAX error (W) 199.37 W ( 13.293 %) - Predicted value - g77 1499.8 W Intel 1300.4 W [ observed in: building:zone_05:thermal_loads:net_load:month_01 (max) ] The corresponding test case that does not activate the ISO15099 correlation does not exhibit the same error, suggesting the Intel compiler is exposing a sensitive compoment of the ISO15099 algorithm, or vice-versa. The SUN CC/f90 results we have do not include this test case, precluding assessment of whether the g77/gFortran or Intel predictions are more accurate. For this reason, the Intel compiler suite is only recommended for beta testing for the time being. - OSX / GCC builds ---------------- A handful of test cases exhibited suprising sensitivity when run with GCC 3.4 compiled builds on OSX. The cause of these differences is not known; OSX builds should be used with caution for the time being. =========================== Problematic test cases =========================== - esru_benchmark_model / bld_basic_af2_summer / bld_basic_af2_winter ------------------------------------------- We've previously observed the that this coarse-timestep air flow network test case produces significant differences in g77 and gFortran builds. The long, half-hour timesteps cause small differences in the numerical computations to be exaggerated in the aggregated output --- increasing time resolution vastly improves agreement between the compilers. The Linux / Intel, Solaris / SUN CC-f90, and OSX / g77 platforms all exhibit the same sensitivity. They produce differing results at short-timesteps, but agreement with Linux / g77 improves at higher time-resolutions. Since we've observed that each compiler combination produces dissimilar results and that the high-resolution version is more useful, this test case has little value. For this reason, I recommend we delete it. - plt_boundary_conditions / connected_flow connected_temperature unconnected_controls unconnected_flow unconnected_temperature ------------------------------------------------- While they run correctly in every other compiler (including GCC 4.1.2), these test cases appear to produce numerical exceptions in GCC 4.2.3. From Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca Fri Feb 27 21:14:44 2009 From: Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca (Ferguson, Alex) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:14:44 -0500 Subject: [esp-r] Re: ESPr validation with gfortran/gcc4 In-Reply-To: <3114a7250902271307x4b2281cfiaffdc2c3df166550@mail.gmail.com> References: <3114a7250902270848o67e7ea64s51f7bd284ac69721@mail.gmail.com> <3114a7250902271307x4b2281cfiaffdc2c3df166550@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Scott, On linux, we presently compile and use the vanilla versions of gcc shipped with gentoo, along with the gcc-config tool, which ensures gcc finds its corresponding glibc/libstdc++ libraries. Off hand, I do know which use flags we've presently configured for portage, but I'll check next week. - Alex -----Original Message----- From: Scott Bucking [mailto:sbucking at gmail.com] Sent: February 27, 2009 16:07 To: Ferguson, Alex Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: Re: [esp-r] ESPr validation with gfortran/gcc4 Hi Alex, Thanks for your reply. One more question (with regards to gcc4.1.2/gfortran for Linux). Did you use a vanilla tool chain (if so what distribution and version?), or did you compile gcc separately for each test (if so what enable/disable/with switches did you compile with?) As I am working on optimization, I need to avoid any numerically induced noise. Thanks again, Scott On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Ferguson, Alex wrote: > > >>Has anyone recently performed validation on more recent toolchains >>under a Linux plaform >(gcc4.3/gfortran)? >> >>I tend to keep my system updated, and am wondering if a separate >>version of gcc3/g77 is still necessary to avoid truncation/numerical >>discrepancies between compilers. > > Hi Scott, > > We've undertaken validation with gcc/gfortran 4.1 and 4.2, as well as > the Intel compiler. Results are mixed; 4.1.2 seems the most stable > (and is now recommended over gcc 3.4.X/ g77, while 4.2+ produces > numerical exceptions. The next release (11.7) will likely default the > Install script to use gFortran. > > A complete summary of the pre-release testing (including > g77/gfortran/ifort/sun-f90 comparisons) completed for 11.6 follows. > > - Alex > > Alex Ferguson > Sustainable Buildings and Communities (Housing Group) CanmetENERGY > Natural Resources Canada > P:+1 613 995 3294 > F:+1 613 996 9909 > Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca > > > > ====================== > SUMMARY: > ====================== > > ?- ESP-r compiles correctly on Linux, Cygwin, MinGW, Solaris and OSX. > ?- Portability testing suggests that GCC 4.1.2 builds are actually > more > ? reliable than GCC3 builds. > ?- GCC 4.2.3 builds are not as robust. > ?- Some uncertainty remains in Intel builds, as well as builds on OSX. > > Recommendations: > ?- Proceed with release 11.6. > ?- The ESP-r 'reference' platform should be changed from > ? Linux / GCC 3.4.6 to Linux / GCC 4.1.2 > ?- Cygwin / GCC 3.4.6 ?and SUN CC builds should continue to be > ? designated as stable > ?- GCC 4.2+ and Intel builds should be used with caution. > ?- Compiler optimization should be used with caution. > ?- OSX / GCC 3.4.6 and MinGW / GCC 3.4.6 builds should be used with > ? caution. > > Detailed results follow. > > > > ====================== > Static Analysis: > ====================== > > The Forcheck static analyzer warns of no additional coding errors in > the current version of pre-release-patches. The total number of > errors, warnings and informational numbers as declined from the last release. > > > > ====================== > Regression testing: > ====================== > > Changes since the last revision have introduced significant numerical > differences into the results. But for the first time, all the > numerical differences were anticipated by developers, and no > unintended effects were observed during testing. > > Two revisions introduced numerical differences in to the results: > > ?r2838: This commit patched a long-standing bug in the water tank > ? ? ? ?storage model. Predicted water temperatures in the plant > ? ? ? ?network may differ by as much as 3oC; predicted casual gains > ? ? ? ?in the space may differ by as much as 3W. > > ?r3088: This commit corrected an error in the application of > relaxation > ? ? ? ?to the plant network solution scheme. Predicted heat transfer > ? ? ? ?in the plant may differ by as much as 400W (1%), predicted > ? ? ? ?temperatures in the plant may differ by as much as 18oC in > ? ? ? ?extreme cases. > > ====================== > Portability testing: > ====================== > The release candidate can be successfully installed on the following > platform, compiler and graphics library combinations. We've also added > support for the Intel compiler suite on linux. Jon Hand has been > experimenting with support for 64-bit architecture, but this work has > not yet been generalized for inclusion in the public release. > > We've successfully installed ESP-r using the following 32-bit > platform, compiler and graphics library combinations: > > > > ? ? ? ? ?Support for ESP-r on various compiler, platform > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?and graphics library combinations. > ? ?============================================================= > ? ?Compiler ? ? Library ? ?Linux ? Cygwin ? MinGW ? Sun ? OSX > ? ?============================================================= > ? ?GCC 3.4.X ? ?X11 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?O ? ? O > ? ?SUN CC ? ? ? X11 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?O > ? ?GCC 3.4.4 ? ?X11 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?O > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? noX ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?O > ? ?GCC 3.4.5 ? ?noX ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? * > ? ?GCC 3.4.6 ? ?X11 ? ? ? ? ?O > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? GTK ? ? ? ? ?O > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? noX ? ? ? ? ?O > ? ?INTEL ? ? ? ?noX ? ? ? ? ?O > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? X11 ? ? ? ? ?O > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? GTK ? ? ? ? ?O > ? ?GCC 4.1.2 ? ?X11 ? ? ? ? ?O > ? ?GCC 4.2.3 ? ?X11 ? ? ? ? ?O > ? ?------------------------------------------------------------- > ? ?Notes: > ? ?O: Installs correctly. > ? ?*: MinGW only installs correctly to absolute DOS paths > ? ?(i.e. C:/ESRU) > ? ?============================================================= > > > > We've also undertaken a comprehensive comparison of the numerical > results produced by ESP-r on various platforms. Previously, these > comparisons were limited to various versions of the GCC compiler suite > on Linux and cygwin. ?Since the last release, Jon Hand has worked to > add support for XML-enabled builds on OSX and Solaris, using both the > GCC and Sun compiler suites. Along with new support for the Intel > compiler, these new capabilities add important reference points for > our ongoing evaluation of GCC4/gFortran > > For the last few years, we've designated GCC 3.4.6/Linux builds as the > reference version of ESP-r. Most ESP-r development and automated > testing is based on this platform, and bps's numerical predictions on > this platform receive scrutiny than any other. GCC 3's fortran 77 > compiler > (g77) has been obsoleted by gFortran, a fortran 90 compiler released > with GCC 4. Results differ somewhat between g77 and gFortran builds, > and we've been wondering if they're caused by bugs in g77 or gFortran, > or perhaps poor ESP-r code that one of the compilers is more sensitive to. > For the first time, we have additional reference points (Intel and Sun > CC/f90) to perform these comparisons with. > > The following chart summarizes the significant observed differences > between the ?and other platform and compiler combinations. The > "Maximum difference" reflects the maximum observed difference observed > in the test cases, excluding exceptional test cases that are discussed > in section 'Problematic test cases', below.. > > > > ? ? ?Comparison of results from GCC4.1.2-compiled versions > ? ? ?(X11, Linux) with builds from other platform/compilers. > ? ?============================================================= > ? ?Arch. ? ? Platform ? ?Compiler ? ? ?Maximum difference (%) > ? ?------------------------------------------------------------- > ? ?IA-32 ? ? CYGWIN ? ? ?GCC 3.4.4 ? ? ? ? ? ?3.18 > ? ? ? ? ? ? ?LINUX ? ? ? GCC 3.4.6 ? ? ? ? ? ?3.18 > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?GCC 4.2.3 ? ? ? ? ? ?0. ? (^1) > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Intel -O0 ? ? ? ? ? ?0.75 (^2) > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Intel -O2 ? ? ? ? ? 38.781 > ? ?PowerPC ? OSX ? ? ? ? GCC 3.4 ? ? ? ? ? ? 16.1 > ? ?Sparc ? ? SOLARIS ? ? Sun CC/f90 ? ? ? ? ? 1.80 > ? ?------------------------------------------------------------- > ? ?NOTES: > ? ? ?1. Some test cases produced numerical exceptions and > ? ? ? ? floating point errors. See "Problematic Test Cases". > ? ? ?2. One test case produced a larger error (~13%). See below. > ? ?============================================================= > > Detailed scrutiny of the results revealed: > > ?- gFortran vs Intel iFort / SUN f90 > ? --------------------------------- > ? With optimization disabled, the results from SUN and Intel compilers > ? consistently agree more closely with GCC 4.1.2 / gFortran than they > ? do with GCC 3.4.6 / g77. These results suggest GCC 4.1.2 can be used > ? with confidence, and indeed, should be recommended in place of g77. > > ?- Stability of gFortran > ? --------------------- > ? GCC 4.2.3 builds encounter numerical exceptions in a handful of test > ? cases that ran correctly in all other compilers (See "problematic > ? test cases", below). I recommend GCC 4.2+ builds be regarded as > ? 'beta' until this issue is resolved. > > ?- Intel iFort results: effect of optimization > ? ------------------------------------------- > ? With optimization deactivated, the Intel compiler consistently > produced > ? results close to the gFortran and Sun f90 builds. But when the > default > ? optimization is activated (using the -O2) option, agreement between > ? the Intel and GCC 4.1.2 compiler deteriorates considerably. Nearly > ? all of the models exhibit small, non-trace differences, and in every > ? case these differences were slightly, or significantly larger than > ? those observed with optimization deactivated. > > ? Its possible this error is due to bugs in Intel's optimization > ? algorithm, but poor code in ESP-r is more likely the culprit. For > ? instance, when -O0 is specified, the compiler ensures that arguement > ? mismatches in procedure calls are properly converted, but does not > ? perform these conversions by default. > > ? This problem might occur in GCC builds as well. By default, GCC uses > ? no optimization. I suspect similar issues might appear if -O2 is > ? specified for g77/gFortran builds. > > ? For these reasons, application of optimization options with ESP-r > ? is not presently recommended. > > ?- Intel iFort results: test case bld_hc_ISO15099 /HC > ? -------------------------------------------------- > ? Newly added for this release, this test case continues to cause > ? headaches. Intel-compiled versions of bps exhibit significant > ? differences from g77/gFortran builds: > > ? ? ?- MAX error (W) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?199.37 W ?( 13.293 %) > ? ? ?- Predicted value - g77 ? ? ? ?1499.8 W > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Intel ? ? ?1300.4 W > ? ? ? ?[ observed in: > ? ? ? ? ?building:zone_05:thermal_loads:net_load:month_01 (max) ] > > ? The corresponding test case that does not activate the ISO15099 > ? correlation does not exhibit the same error, suggesting the Intel > ? compiler is exposing a sensitive compoment of the ISO15099 > algorithm, > > ? or vice-versa. > > ? The SUN CC/f90 results we have do not include this test case, > ? precluding assessment of whether the g77/gFortran or Intel > predictions > ? are more accurate. For this reason, the Intel compiler suite is only > ? recommended for beta testing for the time being. > > > ?- OSX / GCC builds > ? ---------------- > ? A handful of test cases exhibited suprising sensitivity when run > ? with GCC 3.4 compiled builds on OSX. The cause of these differences > ? is not known; OSX builds should be used with caution for the time > ? being. > > =========================== > Problematic test cases > =========================== > > ?- esru_benchmark_model / bld_basic_af2_summer > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ bld_basic_af2_winter > ? ------------------------------------------- > ? We've previously observed the that this coarse-timestep air flow > ? network test case produces significant differences in g77 and > ? gFortran builds. The long, half-hour timesteps cause small > ? differences in the numerical computations to be exaggerated in > ? the aggregated output --- increasing time resolution vastly improves > ? agreement between the compilers. > > ? The Linux / Intel, Solaris / SUN CC-f90, and OSX / g77 platforms all > ? exhibit the same sensitivity. They produce differing results at > ? short-timesteps, but agreement with Linux / g77 improves at higher > ? time-resolutions. > > ? Since we've observed that each compiler combination produces > dissimilar > ? results and that the high-resolution version is more useful, > ? this test case has little value. For this reason, I recommend we > ? delete it. > > ?- plt_boundary_conditions / connected_flow > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? connected_temperature > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? unconnected_controls > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? unconnected_flow > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? unconnected_temperature > ? ------------------------------------------------- > ? While they run correctly in every other compiler (including GCC > 4.1.2), > ? these test cases appear to produce numerical exceptions in GCC 4.2.3. > > From sbucking at gmail.com Fri Feb 27 21:07:01 2009 From: sbucking at gmail.com (Scott Bucking) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:07:01 -0500 Subject: [esp-r] Re: ESPr validation with gfortran/gcc4 In-Reply-To: References: <3114a7250902270848o67e7ea64s51f7bd284ac69721@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3114a7250902271307x4b2281cfiaffdc2c3df166550@mail.gmail.com> Hi Alex, Thanks for your reply. One more question (with regards to gcc4.1.2/gfortran for Linux). Did you use a vanilla tool chain (if so what distribution and version?), or did you compile gcc separately for each test (if so what enable/disable/with switches did you compile with?) As I am working on optimization, I need to avoid any numerically induced noise. Thanks again, Scott On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Ferguson, Alex wrote: > > >>Has anyone recently performed validation on more recent toolchains >>under a Linux plaform >(gcc4.3/gfortran)? >> >>I tend to keep my system updated, and am wondering if a separate >>version of gcc3/g77 is still necessary to avoid truncation/numerical >>discrepancies between compilers. > > Hi Scott, > > We've undertaken validation with gcc/gfortran 4.1 and 4.2, as well as > the Intel compiler. Results are mixed; 4.1.2 seems the most stable (and > is now recommended over gcc 3.4.X/ g77, while 4.2+ produces numerical > exceptions. The next release (11.7) will likely default the Install > script to use gFortran. > > A complete summary of the pre-release testing (including > g77/gfortran/ifort/sun-f90 comparisons) completed for 11.6 follows. > > - Alex > > Alex Ferguson > Sustainable Buildings and Communities (Housing Group) > CanmetENERGY > Natural Resources Canada > P:+1 613 995 3294 > F:+1 613 996 9909 > Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca > > > > ====================== > SUMMARY: > ====================== > > ?- ESP-r compiles correctly on Linux, Cygwin, MinGW, Solaris and OSX. > ?- Portability testing suggests that GCC 4.1.2 builds are actually more > ? reliable than GCC3 builds. > ?- GCC 4.2.3 builds are not as robust. > ?- Some uncertainty remains in Intel builds, as well as builds on OSX. > > Recommendations: > ?- Proceed with release 11.6. > ?- The ESP-r 'reference' platform should be changed from > ? Linux / GCC 3.4.6 to Linux / GCC 4.1.2 > ?- Cygwin / GCC 3.4.6 ?and SUN CC builds should continue to be > ? designated as stable > ?- GCC 4.2+ and Intel builds should be used with caution. > ?- Compiler optimization should be used with caution. > ?- OSX / GCC 3.4.6 and MinGW / GCC 3.4.6 builds should be used with > ? caution. > > Detailed results follow. > > > > ====================== > Static Analysis: > ====================== > > The Forcheck static analyzer warns of no additional coding errors in the > current version of pre-release-patches. The total number of errors, > warnings and informational numbers as declined from the last release. > > > > ====================== > Regression testing: > ====================== > > Changes since the last revision have introduced significant numerical > differences into the results. But for the first time, all the numerical > differences were anticipated by developers, and no unintended effects > were observed during testing. > > Two revisions introduced numerical differences in to the results: > > ?r2838: This commit patched a long-standing bug in the water tank > ? ? ? ?storage model. Predicted water temperatures in the plant > ? ? ? ?network may differ by as much as 3oC; predicted casual gains > ? ? ? ?in the space may differ by as much as 3W. > > ?r3088: This commit corrected an error in the application of relaxation > ? ? ? ?to the plant network solution scheme. Predicted heat transfer > ? ? ? ?in the plant may differ by as much as 400W (1%), predicted > ? ? ? ?temperatures in the plant may differ by as much as 18oC in > ? ? ? ?extreme cases. > > ====================== > Portability testing: > ====================== > The release candidate can be successfully installed on the following > platform, compiler and graphics library combinations. We've also added > support for the Intel compiler suite on linux. Jon Hand has been > experimenting with support for 64-bit architecture, but this work has > not yet been generalized for inclusion in the public release. > > We've successfully installed ESP-r using the following 32-bit platform, > compiler and graphics library combinations: > > > > ? ? ? ? ?Support for ESP-r on various compiler, platform > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?and graphics library combinations. > ? ?============================================================= > ? ?Compiler ? ? Library ? ?Linux ? Cygwin ? MinGW ? Sun ? OSX > ? ?============================================================= > ? ?GCC 3.4.X ? ?X11 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?O ? ? O > ? ?SUN CC ? ? ? X11 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?O > ? ?GCC 3.4.4 ? ?X11 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?O > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? noX ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?O > ? ?GCC 3.4.5 ? ?noX ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? * > ? ?GCC 3.4.6 ? ?X11 ? ? ? ? ?O > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? GTK ? ? ? ? ?O > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? noX ? ? ? ? ?O > ? ?INTEL ? ? ? ?noX ? ? ? ? ?O > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? X11 ? ? ? ? ?O > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? GTK ? ? ? ? ?O > ? ?GCC 4.1.2 ? ?X11 ? ? ? ? ?O > ? ?GCC 4.2.3 ? ?X11 ? ? ? ? ?O > ? ?------------------------------------------------------------- > ? ?Notes: > ? ?O: Installs correctly. > ? ?*: MinGW only installs correctly to absolute DOS paths > ? ?(i.e. C:/ESRU) > ? ?============================================================= > > > > We've also undertaken a comprehensive comparison of the numerical > results produced by ESP-r on various platforms. Previously, these > comparisons were limited to various versions of the GCC compiler suite > on Linux and cygwin. ?Since the last release, Jon Hand has worked to add > support for XML-enabled builds on OSX and Solaris, using both the GCC > and Sun compiler suites. Along with new support for the Intel compiler, > these new capabilities add important reference points for our ongoing > evaluation of GCC4/gFortran > > For the last few years, we've designated GCC 3.4.6/Linux builds as the > reference version of ESP-r. Most ESP-r development and automated testing > is based on this platform, and bps's numerical predictions on this > platform receive scrutiny than any other. GCC 3's fortran 77 compiler > (g77) has been obsoleted by gFortran, a fortran 90 compiler released > with GCC 4. Results differ somewhat between g77 and gFortran builds, and > we've been wondering if they're caused by bugs in g77 or gFortran, or > perhaps poor ESP-r code that one of the compilers is more sensitive to. > For the first time, we have additional reference points (Intel and Sun > CC/f90) to perform these comparisons with. > > The following chart summarizes the significant observed differences > between the ?and other platform and compiler combinations. The "Maximum > difference" reflects the maximum observed difference observed in the > test cases, excluding exceptional test cases that are discussed in > section 'Problematic test cases', below.. > > > > ? ? ?Comparison of results from GCC4.1.2-compiled versions > ? ? ?(X11, Linux) with builds from other platform/compilers. > ? ?============================================================= > ? ?Arch. ? ? Platform ? ?Compiler ? ? ?Maximum difference (%) > ? ?------------------------------------------------------------- > ? ?IA-32 ? ? CYGWIN ? ? ?GCC 3.4.4 ? ? ? ? ? ?3.18 > ? ? ? ? ? ? ?LINUX ? ? ? GCC 3.4.6 ? ? ? ? ? ?3.18 > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?GCC 4.2.3 ? ? ? ? ? ?0. ? (^1) > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Intel -O0 ? ? ? ? ? ?0.75 (^2) > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Intel -O2 ? ? ? ? ? 38.781 > ? ?PowerPC ? OSX ? ? ? ? GCC 3.4 ? ? ? ? ? ? 16.1 > ? ?Sparc ? ? SOLARIS ? ? Sun CC/f90 ? ? ? ? ? 1.80 > ? ?------------------------------------------------------------- > ? ?NOTES: > ? ? ?1. Some test cases produced numerical exceptions and > ? ? ? ? floating point errors. See "Problematic Test Cases". > ? ? ?2. One test case produced a larger error (~13%). See below. > ? ?============================================================= > > Detailed scrutiny of the results revealed: > > ?- gFortran vs Intel iFort / SUN f90 > ? --------------------------------- > ? With optimization disabled, the results from SUN and Intel compilers > ? consistently agree more closely with GCC 4.1.2 / gFortran than they > ? do with GCC 3.4.6 / g77. These results suggest GCC 4.1.2 can be used > ? with confidence, and indeed, should be recommended in place of g77. > > ?- Stability of gFortran > ? --------------------- > ? GCC 4.2.3 builds encounter numerical exceptions in a handful of test > ? cases that ran correctly in all other compilers (See "problematic > ? test cases", below). I recommend GCC 4.2+ builds be regarded as > ? 'beta' until this issue is resolved. > > ?- Intel iFort results: effect of optimization > ? ------------------------------------------- > ? With optimization deactivated, the Intel compiler consistently > produced > ? results close to the gFortran and Sun f90 builds. But when the > default > ? optimization is activated (using the -O2) option, agreement between > ? the Intel and GCC 4.1.2 compiler deteriorates considerably. Nearly > ? all of the models exhibit small, non-trace differences, and in every > ? case these differences were slightly, or significantly larger than > ? those observed with optimization deactivated. > > ? Its possible this error is due to bugs in Intel's optimization > ? algorithm, but poor code in ESP-r is more likely the culprit. For > ? instance, when -O0 is specified, the compiler ensures that arguement > ? mismatches in procedure calls are properly converted, but does not > ? perform these conversions by default. > > ? This problem might occur in GCC builds as well. By default, GCC uses > ? no optimization. I suspect similar issues might appear if -O2 is > ? specified for g77/gFortran builds. > > ? For these reasons, application of optimization options with ESP-r > ? is not presently recommended. > > ?- Intel iFort results: test case bld_hc_ISO15099 /HC > ? -------------------------------------------------- > ? Newly added for this release, this test case continues to cause > ? headaches. Intel-compiled versions of bps exhibit significant > ? differences from g77/gFortran builds: > > ? ? ?- MAX error (W) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?199.37 W ?( 13.293 %) > ? ? ?- Predicted value - g77 ? ? ? ?1499.8 W > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Intel ? ? ?1300.4 W > ? ? ? ?[ observed in: > ? ? ? ? ?building:zone_05:thermal_loads:net_load:month_01 (max) ] > > ? The corresponding test case that does not activate the ISO15099 > ? correlation does not exhibit the same error, suggesting the Intel > ? compiler is exposing a sensitive compoment of the ISO15099 algorithm, > > ? or vice-versa. > > ? The SUN CC/f90 results we have do not include this test case, > ? precluding assessment of whether the g77/gFortran or Intel > predictions > ? are more accurate. For this reason, the Intel compiler suite is only > ? recommended for beta testing for the time being. > > > ?- OSX / GCC builds > ? ---------------- > ? A handful of test cases exhibited suprising sensitivity when run > ? with GCC 3.4 compiled builds on OSX. The cause of these differences > ? is not known; OSX builds should be used with caution for the time > ? being. > > =========================== > Problematic test cases > =========================== > > ?- esru_benchmark_model / bld_basic_af2_summer > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ bld_basic_af2_winter > ? ------------------------------------------- > ? We've previously observed the that this coarse-timestep air flow > ? network test case produces significant differences in g77 and > ? gFortran builds. The long, half-hour timesteps cause small > ? differences in the numerical computations to be exaggerated in > ? the aggregated output --- increasing time resolution vastly improves > ? agreement between the compilers. > > ? The Linux / Intel, Solaris / SUN CC-f90, and OSX / g77 platforms all > ? exhibit the same sensitivity. They produce differing results at > ? short-timesteps, but agreement with Linux / g77 improves at higher > ? time-resolutions. > > ? Since we've observed that each compiler combination produces > dissimilar > ? results and that the high-resolution version is more useful, > ? this test case has little value. For this reason, I recommend we > ? delete it. > > ?- plt_boundary_conditions / connected_flow > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? connected_temperature > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? unconnected_controls > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? unconnected_flow > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? unconnected_temperature > ? ------------------------------------------------- > ? While they run correctly in every other compiler (including GCC > 4.1.2), > ? these test cases appear to produce numerical exceptions in GCC 4.2.3. > > From chandrayeeee at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 18:00:55 2009 From: chandrayeeee at gmail.com (Chandrayee Basu) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:00:55 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] daylight coefficient Message-ID: Hello All I need to see the impact of building orientation on daylighting in a given building type for which I am trying to use the daylight coefficient facility of ESP-r. The coupling with Radiance is happening properly, but when I am trying to edit the sky type and location module, the text window says "not a radiance sky file" and further when I am asking to show the daylight coefficient results it says "no results available for this option". Has anyone worked with daylight coefficient option of ESP-r or the daylight based lighting control system of ESP-r recently. If anyone has can please someone tell me what could be the reason of this and how it can be rectified. Is there a documentation of how to proceed with daylight coefficient calculation coupling ESP-r with Radiance? Further are the results reliable? Regards Chandrayee -- Chandrayee Basu (M.Tech) Schr?felhofstra?e 12, WG 07/02 81375 M?nchen +49-89-289-22403 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090303/79f29154/attachment.html From yook at dasskorea.com.test-google-a.com Wed Mar 4 02:04:38 2009 From: yook at dasskorea.com.test-google-a.com (=?EUC-KR?B?wLDAzrz2?=) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:04:38 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] site exposure Message-ID: Dear all users~ I have looked for the menu to change the site exposure (for example, typical city centre), but couldn't. Do you know where I can find this menu? If possible, you also can teach me how much effect this change of the site exposure might be brought on the results. Thank you in advance!!! Lewis Yook -- Team Manager, Integrated Simulation Unit. Design and Simulation for Sustainability (DASS) consultants Ltd. 143-834 Venture Center 304-ho 632-9 Guui-dong Gwangjin-gu, Seoul, Korea T. 82.2.913.2585 F. 82.2.949.2585 H. www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090304/63bb8e77/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Wed Mar 4 09:45:14 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:45:14 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: site exposure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000f01c99cad$ed235200$c769f600$@geissler@intergga.ch> Dear Yook The menue to change site exposure is to be found under ?Browse/ Edit/ Simulate? and then ?model context?. Regards Achim From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? Sent: Mittwoch, 4. M?rz 2009 03:05 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] site exposure Dear all users~ I have looked for the menu to change the site exposure (for example, typical city centre), but couldn't. Do you know where I can find this menu? If possible, you also can teach me how much effect this change of the site exposure might be brought on the results. Thank you in advance!!! Lewis Yook -- Team Manager, Integrated Simulation Unit. Design and Simulation for Sustainability (DASS) consultants Ltd. 143-834 Venture Center 304-ho 632-9 Guui-dong Gwangjin-gu, Seoul, Korea T. 82.2.913.2585 F. 82.2.949.2585 H. www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090304/03971e8b/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Mar 5 11:23:54 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:23:54 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] New beta version of native windows ESP-r needs testing Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4131CF4B8CB41@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> I created a beta Native Windows installer for ESP-r at version 11.6.3958 It includes additional documents and corrects some glitches that were noticed in the last beta release (res would sometimes hang when drawing graphs). I have tested it out on a couple of Windows XP boxes and a Windows 2000 virtual machine but would like others to give it a try before we put it on the download page. Anyone who would be interested in testing this installer please send an email to Jon Hand and I will use an upload service to send it. Regards, Jon Hand From Leen.Peeters at mech.kuleuven.be Thu Mar 5 21:37:42 2009 From: Leen.Peeters at mech.kuleuven.be (Leen Peeters) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 22:37:42 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] invalid type combination Message-ID: Dear, going through the debugger I get the following message invalid type combination in ordering comparison when evaluating a case like IF(Q.lt-0-0.05.AND.T.eq.1.AND.G.eq.2)THEN where Q is a real and T and G are integers Can anyone explain me why? I does not seem to help to add brackets around the value -0.05... Leen Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm From Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca Fri Mar 6 14:56:15 2009 From: Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca (Ferguson, Alex) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:56:15 -0500 Subject: [esp-r] Re: invalid type combination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Leen, I think you mean to write your if-test as follows: IF(Q.lt.0-0.05.AND.T.eq.1.AND.G.eq.2)THEN (note that the 'lt' comparison operator should be terminated with a '.'. I think this is probably the source of your error.) In this case, '0' is a integer, and you're relying the compiler to implicitly cast it as a real. Most compilers will do this reliably, but it's better to retype your '0' as a real: IF ( Q .lt. (0.-0.05) .AND. & T .eq. 1 .AND. & G .eq. 2 ) THEN If you're not working with legacy code, please consider using clear variable names so that other developers do not need to guess at the meaning of 'Q', 'T' and 'G'. Hungarian notation can make the type of variables even clearer; when I first read your question, I assumed T must be temperature and therefore a real. You might use a convention like the following: Q -> fQHeatFlux T -> iType G -> iGSomeOtherName It seems a little pedantic at first, but I find that once you adapt to Hungarian notation, it's hard to keep your types straight without it! Finally, the developer's list is probably a better forum for questions like these. Let me know if you have trouble posting to it. Cheers, - Alex Alex Ferguson Sustainable Buildings and Communities (Housing Group) CanmetENERGY Natural Resources Canada P:+1 613 995 3294 F:+1 613 996 9909 Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Leen Peeters Sent: March 5, 2009 16:38 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] invalid type combination Dear, going through the debugger I get the following message invalid type combination in ordering comparison when evaluating a case like IF(Q.lt-0-0.05.AND.T.eq.1.AND.G.eq.2)THEN where Q is a real and T and G are integers Can anyone explain me why? I does not seem to help to add brackets around the value -0.05... Leen Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090306/60f14173/attachment.html From David.Tang at owenscorning.com Tue Mar 10 08:50:11 2009 From: David.Tang at owenscorning.com (Tang, David) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:50:11 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] Esp-r virtualisation References: <499544C5.1080806@esru.strath.ac.uk> <8E334BEBBF31D54B9989B206FB4A6D09052549FF@shos6101.ap.corp.owenscorning.com> Message-ID: <8E334BEBBF31D54B9989B206FB4A6D090542DE6B@shos6101.ap.corp.owenscorning.com> Hi, Download VMWare player (free), download a VMWare-Tool ready Linux distro, install esp-r and run VMWare player in windoz. Click on 'View/Full Screen' to have esp-r running in parallel with Windoz, no more dual boot. Or click on 'View/Unity' to run esp-r just like a native windoz application. Each virtual appliance is a complete networked Linux machine. You can surf the net, drag & drop between windoz and Linux, read & write to & from NTFS drive, run two or more virtual appliances and communicating with tcp/ip, and many more. Upload your favorite esp-r virtual appliance to share with others. Regards, David Tang Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions Owens Corning T: +86 21 6101 9587; F: +86 21 6101 9588; m: +86 13817249419 The information contained in this communication and its attachment(s) is intended only for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or exempt from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify postmaster at owenscorning.com and delete the communication without retaining any copies. Thank you. Translations available: http://www.owenscorning.com/emailfooter.html From yook at dasskorea.com.test-google-a.com Mon Mar 9 21:47:34 2009 From: yook at dasskorea.com.test-google-a.com (=?EUC-KR?B?wLDAzrz2?=) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 06:47:34 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] How to describe desks and furniture inside a zone? Message-ID: Dear all. As I have heard before, the esp-r allows me to describe some mass in a zone. It is sometimes important because the heat capacity of the objects in a zone such as desk, furniture and so on should be considered in the energy calculation. I'm just wondering HOW I CAN DESCRIBE some floating mass or objects inside a zone in ESP-r. It seems that those objects inside a zone give a considerable effect on temperature profile or heating/cooliing loads. Your Reply will be appreciated. Thank you. Lewis Yook -- Team Manager, Integrated Simulation Unit. Design and Simulation for Sustainability (DASS) consultants Ltd. 143-834 Venture Center 304-ho 632-9 Guui-dong Gwangjin-gu, Seoul, Korea T. 82.2.913.2585 F. 82.2.949.2585 H. www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090310/5378becf/attachment.html From Leen.Peeters at mech.kuleuven.be Tue Mar 10 09:08:20 2009 From: Leen.Peeters at mech.kuleuven.be (Leen Peeters) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:08:20 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: How to describe desks and furniture inside a zone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Lewis, I recently got some advice on that from Jon and Aizas ;-) Go to the zone geometry, Define 4 (or more) vertices locates within the zone (i.e. thus 'floating' around) create a surface based on these vertices (i.e. a 'floating' surface) give the surface a material (e.g. make it a wooden door) boundary condition is 'adiabatic' make a surface from the same vertices, but then in reverse order give it a material/construction that is the opposite of the one selected before (i.e. the inverse of the wooden door) bound it again as adiabatic the inverse of the selected construction can be created in the database maintenance option in the menu when opening ESP open the construction database, select the construction of interest (e.g. wooden door) and create the inverse of that Leen ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? [yook at dasskorea.com.test-google-a.com] Sent: 09 March 2009 22:47 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] How to describe desks and furniture inside a zone? Dear all. As I have heard before, the esp-r allows me to describe some mass in a zone. It is sometimes important because the heat capacity of the objects in a zone such as desk, furniture and so on should be considered in the energy calculation. I'm just wondering HOW I CAN DESCRIBE some floating mass or objects inside a zone in ESP-r. It seems that those objects inside a zone give a considerable effect on temperature profile or heating/cooliing loads. Your Reply will be appreciated. Thank you. Lewis Yook -- Team Manager, Integrated Simulation Unit. Design and Simulation for Sustainability (DASS) consultants Ltd. 143-834 Venture Center 304-ho 632-9 Guui-dong Gwangjin-gu, Seoul, Korea T. 82.2.913.2585 F. 82.2.949.2585 H. www.dasskorea.com From monika.hall at fhnw.ch Tue Mar 10 09:07:08 2009 From: monika.hall at fhnw.ch (Hall,Monika) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:07:08 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: How to describe desks and furniture inside a zone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2E69B53CF81E2A43988A841A5B26799493A326D79E@MXAMU12.adm.ds.fhnw.ch> Dear Lewis Yook, You can describe objects with hanging surfaces. You must create them in the zone: frontside and backside. Afterwards make the boudary conditions: The last step is to attribute the boundary conditions of each of these new surfaces. There are two schools of thought: - the traditional approach is to assign an adiabatic type to both surface. Thus they act as a thermal sponge, but no heat crosses from one face to the other. In this approach the constructions used should each represent half the thickness of the actual mass of the entity. - an alternative approach is to treat the two surfaces as partitions (i.e. connect each to the other). This approach allows heat to flow from the front to the back of the surface as well as acting as thermal mass. For this to work well use a shorter timestep. Hier muss man dann 2x die volle Dicke ansetzen (Leadenhall). If internal mass has been added to a room it interacts just as any other surface in terms of longwave and shortwave radiation and convection. Consider whether radiation viewfactors should be calculated and also whether you should include a shading/insolation analysis so that sunlight falling on the mass at specific times is properly recorded. Regards Monika ________________________________ Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von ??? Gesendet: Montag, 9. M?rz 2009 22:48 An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: [esp-r] How to describe desks and furniture inside a zone? Dear all. As I have heard before, the esp-r allows me to describe some mass in a zone. It is sometimes important because the heat capacity of the objects in a zone such as desk, furniture and so on should be considered in the energy calculation. I'm just wondering HOW I CAN DESCRIBE some floating mass or objects inside a zone in ESP-r. It seems that those objects inside a zone give a considerable effect on temperature profile or heating/cooliing loads. Your Reply will be appreciated. Thank you. Lewis Yook -- Team Manager, Integrated Simulation Unit. Design and Simulation for Sustainability (DASS) consultants Ltd. 143-834 Venture Center 304-ho 632-9 Guui-dong Gwangjin-gu, Seoul, Korea T. 82.2.913.2585 F. 82.2.949.2585 H. www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4132A19E0B320@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A question about internal mass.... ::As I have heard before, the esp-r allows me to describe some mass in a zone. ::It is sometimes important because the heat capacity of the objects in a zone such as desk, furniture and so on should be considered in ::the energy calculation. ::I'm just wondering HOW I CAN DESCRIBE some floating mass or objects inside a zone in ESP-r. ::It seems that those objects inside a zone give a considerable effect on temperature profile or heating/cooliing loads. ----------------------------- The current version of the ESP-r Cookbook (November 2008) discusses internal mass. The current version of the project manager offers two explicit choices to define internal mass in a room for the cases of a horizontal rectangular shape and a vertical rectangular shape. Look in the option list when using the 'add surface' menu for entries that include the word 'mass'. What happens is you are asked for an 'origin' in the room and the length and width of the rectangular body as well as being presented with a list of constructions to select from. The code then creates these surfaces, attributes them and links them together as 'partitions' e.g. heat can move between them. If you want to create more complex shapes then use your favorite technique to create a surface within the zone (probably best to have it NOT touch other surfaces) and then use the 'copy/invert' command to make the 'other face' to match it. Then you will have to finish the attribution of composition and 'what happens on the other face' using the standard facilities. Best to plan what you want to do. You must not exceed the limits of surface edge complexity or the maximum number of surfaces that your room can hold. -Jon Hand From s.p.a.gaskell at durham.ac.uk Tue Mar 10 10:57:24 2009 From: s.p.a.gaskell at durham.ac.uk (GASKELL S.P.A.) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:57:24 -0000 Subject: [esp-r] Maximum Number of Zones Message-ID: Dear All, Am I correct in saying that the number of zones allowed is 52? If so is it possible to model a building with a greater number of zones by any means? Any help or information greatly appreciated. Simon Gaskell School of Engineering Durham University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090310/48bf8524/attachment.html From monika.hall at fhnw.ch Tue Mar 10 13:55:10 2009 From: monika.hall at fhnw.ch (Hall,Monika) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:55:10 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Maximum Number of Zones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2E69B53CF81E2A43988A841A5B26799493A326D8AC@MXAMU12.adm.ds.fhnw.ch> Dear Simon, you could change the numbers of zones in building.h. Afterwards you need to compile esp-r. regards Monika ________________________________ Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von GASKELL S.P.A. Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. M?rz 2009 11:57 An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: [esp-r] Maximum Number of Zones Dear All, Am I correct in saying that the number of zones allowed is 52? If so is it possible to model a building with a greater number of zones by any means? Any help or information greatly appreciated. Simon Gaskell School of Engineering Durham University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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[s.p.a.gaskell at durham.ac.uk] Sent: 10 March 2009 10:57 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Maximum Number of Zones Dear All, Am I correct in saying that the number of zones allowed is 52? If so is it possible to model a building with a greater number of zones by any means? Any help or information greatly appreciated. Simon Gaskell School of Engineering Durham University From obrien_liam at hotmail.com Sun Mar 15 03:52:08 2009 From: obrien_liam at hotmail.com (Liam O'Brien) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 23:52:08 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] running ish for select months from command line Message-ID: Hello all, Does anyone know how to specify the months that ish is performed at the command line? For instance, I would like to do shading calculations for January only in the following form: "ish -mode text -file c:/house/cfg/house.cfg -zone main -act recalculate" By default, it will calculate January through December. Thank you. 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You simply need to supply arguments (e.g. 1 and 12) -month_begin 1 -month_end 12 In the command line with -act silent_update or -act recalculate. In my preliminary runs it appears that this saves approx 5 seconds if you are only looking at 1 month and have a single obstruction. Regards Lukas Swan Dalhousie Univ. Canada From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Liam O'Brien Sent: March-15-09 12:52 AM To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] running ish for select months from command line Hello all, Does anyone know how to specify the months that ish is performed at the command line? For instance, I would like to do shading calculations for January only in the following form: "ish -mode text -file c:/house/cfg/house.cfg -zone main -act recalculate" By default, it will calculate January through December. Thank you. Liam O'Brien _____ Tell the whole story with photos, right from your Messenger window. 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Call it "runish.sh" for example and you will be able to run it as ./runish.sh with the full control of calculations. I wrote two version the first is what you asked for, the second performs shading and isolation calculations as well. I hope this helps Bye version for shading calculation only #!/bin/bash CFG="put here the name of your ".cfg" file" ZONE="put here the name of your zone name" ish -file $CFG -zone $ZONE << EOF g # calculate b #recreate the db a # apply to all surfaces 1 # beginning month 1 # ending month - # exit n # do not erase temporary files EOF complete version to perform shading and insolation #!/bin/bash CFG="put here the name of your ".cfg" file" ZONE="put here the name of your zone name" ish -file $CFG -zone $ZONE << EOF g # calculate b #recreate the db a # apply to all surfaces 1 # beginning month 12 # ending month j #start insolation a # update b # select source g # my window - 1 # start 12 # end - # exit n # do not erase temporary files EOF -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria Navale, del Mare e per l'Ambiente | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Mar 16 09:34:03 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:34:03 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: running ish for select months from command line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4132A1B50183B@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> The version 1.1 geometry file includes a number of directives to fine tune which surfaces should be included for shading and insolation calculations. The thought behind this is that users who have such opinions should be able to record these in the model and not have to rely on their memory or a script to ensure that the correct details are implemented. If there are enough people who would benefit from ALSO specifying the months in which calculations are to be generated then we could look at extending the directives held in the zone geometry file. Clearly the facility should be generic and allow for various combinations of months. The command line option mentioned in recent emails covers one combination. What should happen if the user defined shading for February but there were simulation startup days in January? Should the user be warned if a portion of the simulation period included shading and some did not? Should a change in simulation periods (simulation presets) cause the months for shading be updated? Lets start a conversation. What types of control do users want for shading and insolation calculations? Who has an interest in working on this? -Jon Hand ________________________________________ Does anyone know how to specify the months that ish is performed at the command line? For instance, I would like to do shading calculations for January only in the following form: "ish -mode text -file c:/house/cfg/house.cfg -zone main -act recalculate" By default, it will calculate January through December. From monika.hall at fhnw.ch Tue Mar 17 07:34:26 2009 From: monika.hall at fhnw.ch (Hall,Monika) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:34:26 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] humidity control Message-ID: <2E69B53CF81E2A43988A841A5B26799493A4B40E39@MXAMU12.adm.ds.fhnw.ch> Dear all, I would like to control the ventilation rate depending on the humidity of the internal air. Which control loop should I use (flow network)? I didn't find a match. I created the humidity source in the casual gain schedule. Do I need a plant? Does anyone have experience with humidity control? Any idea or comment is appreciated. 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Thank you for your help and best regards, Simon Muhic -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090317/4b89613a/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Mar 18 10:29:40 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:29:40 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: humidity control In-Reply-To: <2E69B53CF81E2A43988A841A5B26799493A4B40E39@MXAMU12.adm.ds.fhnw.ch> References: <2E69B53CF81E2A43988A841A5B26799493A4B40E39@MXAMU12.adm.ds.fhnw.ch> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4132A1B501843@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A question about humidity control of air flow... ________________________________________ ::I would like to control the ventilation rate depending on the humidity of the internal air. ::Which control loop should I use (flow network)? I didn't find a match. ::I created the humidity source in the casual gain schedule. ::Do I need a plant? ::Does anyone have experience with humidity control? Currently there is not a direct control of a flow component based on humidity at a node in the flow network. This could be an interesting idea to consider for a future extension of control. We would need to collect up information about the types of control that users might want so please send your ideas/descriptions to jon at esru.strath.ac.uk and we will collect these and see if there is a general approach that could be implemented. And all is not lost - one can treat humidity as a contaminate and if you define humidity sources and sinks (much like you would do CO2 sources and sinks) then you might be able to alter the flow rate by the level of this contaminate. -ESRU From monika.hall at fhnw.ch Wed Mar 18 11:04:31 2009 From: monika.hall at fhnw.ch (Hall,Monika) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:04:31 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: humidity control In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4132A1B501843@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <2E69B53CF81E2A43988A841A5B26799493A4B40E39@MXAMU12.adm.ds.fhnw.ch> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4132A1B501843@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <2E69B53CF81E2A43988A841A5B26799493A4B4119C@MXAMU12.adm.ds.fhnw.ch> Thank you for the information. If I treat the humidity as a contamination, what happens with the humidity of the incoming air? Does the humidity exchange base on the humidity of the climate file or on the fixed humidity boundary condition created in the contamination file? Best regards Monika -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Jon Hand [mailto:jon at esru.strath.ac.uk] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 18. M?rz 2009 11:30 An: Hall,Monika; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: RE: humidity control A question about humidity control of air flow... ________________________________________ ::I would like to control the ventilation rate depending on the humidity of the internal air. ::Which control loop should I use (flow network)? I didn't find a match. ::I created the humidity source in the casual gain schedule. ::Do I need a plant? ::Does anyone have experience with humidity control? Currently there is not a direct control of a flow component based on humidity at a node in the flow network. This could be an interesting idea to consider for a future extension of control. We would need to collect up information about the types of control that users might want so please send your ideas/descriptions to jon at esru.strath.ac.uk and we will collect these and see if there is a general approach that could be implemented. And all is not lost - one can treat humidity as a contaminate and if you define humidity sources and sinks (much like you would do CO2 sources and sinks) then you might be able to alter the flow rate by the level of this contaminate. -ESRU From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Mar 20 14:34:25 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:34:25 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r version for Intel OSX self extractor available for testing. Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4132A1B50184B@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> I have created a self-extractor script which, in a few steps is able to install a native Intel OSX version of ESP-r. I have tested this on a limited number of machines, but before uploading it to the ESRU web site it needs to be tested on other Intel based Macs running OSX 10.5. The installer, plus a compressed archive of the gfortran run-time library and some instructions are available for testing. If you are able to do the test install I can send you the relevant files. This version only includes the X11 version, the GTK version will come later. Regards, Jon Hand From cah at byg.dtu.dk Mon Mar 23 13:36:04 2009 From: cah at byg.dtu.dk (Christian Anker Hviid) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:36:04 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Simulation breaks in combined plant and air flow network Message-ID: <78B14BBA2B77DF4186B975430E16648B0D0F1C@mail3.byg.dtu.dk> Hello ESP-r community I am doing combined simulations of plant and air flow network. I am only using the stack and windpressure as driving forces and controlling the flow with a flow corrector and a proportional control law. The simulation often breaks with the error: cmaslv: forward reduction phase forward error: zero diagonal in row xx STOP LUDCMS: singular matrix! Statement executed I am guessing the error arises when two things coincide, the controller has closed the damper too much and driving pressure is too small, i.e. the mass flow is close to zero. I have not encountered the same error for pure mfs simulations. Has any had the same problems and is there a remedy that does not include altering climate data? (increasing wind speed actually does help). Switching matrix solution methods from gaussian to LU decomposition does not help. Best regards Christian Anker Hviid Industrial PhD candidate DTU Byg Technical University of Denmark Brovej, building 118 DK-2800 Lyngby Phone DTU: +45 4525 1886 Phone Alectia: +45 8819 1365 Mail: cah at byg.dtu.dk From Andrzej.Baranowski at polsl.pl Tue Mar 24 10:12:52 2009 From: Andrzej.Baranowski at polsl.pl (Andrzej Baranowski) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:12:52 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] (no subject) Message-ID: <0B6DFAD639BF44F5BC82DEBD9D41781B@pcbaranowski> I will appreciate it very much if someone could help me in such problem: How can I use external file describing eg. infiltration variation (coming from other software or measurements), internal temperature, heat gains etc. (such option was available in older versions..) I know it is possible when the schedules are imposed, but what about time dependent variability? Thanks in advanced, Regards Andrzej Baranowski -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My model is also available to download: http://www.gorzen.poznet.com.pl/espr/cont.zip Something wrong with my model? Below are some lines from my *.opr file with 4 periods a day. 4 # number of casual gains in day type: weekdays # type, start, stop, sens, latent, rad_frac, conv_frac 1, 0, 6, 540.0, 180.0, 0.500, 0.500 1, 6, 12, 540.0, 180.0, 0.500, 0.500 1, 12, 18, 540.0, 180.0, 0.500, 0.500 1, 18, 24, 540.0, 180.0, 0.500, 0.500 Flow is constant all the time, gains are the same in all periods. What is wrong? The only way I see to do it correctly is to add source as #6 personal CO2 emission model answering no to the questions "Take metabolic rates from occupancy casual gains (defined in operation files)" and then to describe the number of people, activity level and occupation time. Then it works proper, without any peaks. But it is not the solution. I can not simulate separate CO2 emissions for weekdays and Sundays. Regards, Radek Gorzenski From francesco.frontini at polimi.it Mon Mar 30 12:51:05 2009 From: francesco.frontini at polimi.it (francesco.frontini at polimi.it) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:51:05 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Question about PV electricity production Message-ID: <20090330135105.kyuki9yggsk0cogs@webmail.polimi.it> Hi all, is there anyone who work with the module of PV? I would like to know about the angular dependency of PV in ESP-r. How the angle of incidence influences the PV electricity production? Where can I found the code which is deal with that? Thank you very much in advance. Francesco Frontini From ibeausol at mae.carleton.ca Mon Mar 30 14:05:49 2009 From: ibeausol at mae.carleton.ca (Ian Beausoleil-Morrison) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:05:49 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Question about PV electricity production In-Reply-To: <20090330135105.kyuki9yggsk0cogs@webmail.polimi.it> References: <20090330135105.kyuki9yggsk0cogs@webmail.polimi.it> Message-ID: <008501c9b138$3f52b680$bdf82380$@carleton.ca> Dear Francesco, ESP-r's three PV models are found in src/esrubld/spmatl.F. Refer to the subroutines SPMCMP1, SPMCMP2, and SPMCMP5. The enclosed paper may be of interest to you. Regards, - Ian Ian Beausoleil-Morrison, Ph.D., P.Eng. Associate Professor and Canada Research Chair Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering Carleton University 1125 Colonel By Drive Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K1S 5B6 Ian_Beausoleil-Morrison at carleton.ca +1 (613) 520-2600 ext 3022 (telephone) +1 (613) 520-5715 (facsimile) www.mae.carleton.ca/maehtmls/beausoleil.html > -----Original Message----- > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r- > bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of francesco.frontini at polimi.it > Sent: March 30, 2009 7:51 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Question about PV electricity production > > Hi all, > is there anyone who work with the module of PV? > I would like to know about the angular dependency of PV in ESP-r. How > the angle of incidence influences the PV electricity production? Where > can I found the code which is deal with that? > Thank you very much in advance. > > Francesco Frontini > > > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Mottillo et al. (2006) PV.PDF Type: application/pdf Size: 170683 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090330/4fbb6f5a/attachment-0001.pdf From ptavares at isec.pt Mon Mar 30 15:38:23 2009 From: ptavares at isec.pt (Paulo Filipe de Almeida Ferreira Tavares) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:38:23 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r source code Message-ID: <1625FB29959296499A2997A53E23F54201730F42@mailx.isec.pt> Hi all! I'm working with a compiled version of ESP-r (for Linux), but in the few time i must work with the source code. How can i install ESP-r with the source code? 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Once you've downloaded the source, you'll find a README file located inside the 'src' directory. It provides details on how to compile ESP-r. If you have any further directions, you can direct them to this list. - Alex ________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Paulo Filipe de Almeida Ferreira Tavares Sent: March 30, 2009 10:38 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r source code Hi all! I'm working with a compiled version of ESP-r (for Linux), but in the few time i must work with the source code. How can i install ESP-r with the source code? I haven't understand how to use a sub-version... And what is the one that i need to install... What is the function of this? Can someone send me some tips? Best regards, Paulo Tavares -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, -Maria -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ian Beausoleil-Morrison Sent: March 30, 2009 09:06 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Question about PV electricity production Dear Francesco, ESP-r's three PV models are found in src/esrubld/spmatl.F. Refer to the subroutines SPMCMP1, SPMCMP2, and SPMCMP5. The enclosed paper may be of interest to you. Regards, - Ian Ian Beausoleil-Morrison, Ph.D., P.Eng. Associate Professor and Canada Research Chair Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering Carleton University 1125 Colonel By Drive Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K1S 5B6 Ian_Beausoleil-Morrison at carleton.ca +1 (613) 520-2600 ext 3022 (telephone) +1 (613) 520-5715 (facsimile) www.mae.carleton.ca/maehtmls/beausoleil.html > -----Original Message----- > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r- > bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of francesco.frontini at polimi.it > Sent: March 30, 2009 7:51 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Question about PV electricity production > > Hi all, > is there anyone who work with the module of PV? > I would like to know about the angular dependency of PV in ESP-r. How > the angle of incidence influences the PV electricity production? Where > can I found the code which is deal with that? > Thank you very much in advance. > > Francesco Frontini > > > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From cah at byg.dtu.dk Mon Mar 30 18:20:33 2009 From: cah at byg.dtu.dk (Christian Anker Hviid) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:20:33 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: esp-r Digest, Vol 32, Issue 14 References: Message-ID: <78B14BBA2B77DF4186B975430E16648B0D0F2B@mail3.byg.dtu.dk> Hello Radek My experience with contaminants is that the correct values are in fact calculated, but the res module does not display the values properly. I am not sure, but I think you need to say no to 'hourly results integration' when you set the timestep. There is an exemplar under technical features that simulates and displays CO2 levels properly. Best regards Christian Anker Hviid Industrial PhD candidate DTU Byg Technical University of Denmark Brovej, building 118 DK-2800 Lyngby Phone DTU: +45 4525 1886 Phone Alectia: +45 8819 1365 Mail: cah at byg.dtu.dk ________________________________ Fra: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk p? vegne af esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk Sendt: ma 30-03-2009 15:13 Til: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Emne: esp-r Digest, Vol 32, Issue 14 Send esp-r mailing list submissions to esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk You can reach the person managing the list at esp-r-owner at lists.strath.ac.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of esp-r digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Contaminant peaks (Radoslaw Gorzenski) 2. Question about PV electricity production (francesco.frontini at polimi.it) 3. Re: Question about PV electricity production (Ian Beausoleil-Morrison) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 05:40:57 +0200 From: Radoslaw Gorzenski Subject: [esp-r] Contaminant peaks To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Dear all, I simulate contaminant levels in single room with casual occupant gains and constant mass flow rate component. I use #6 ?personal CO2 emission? as a source/sink model in *.ctm file. Time steps are 6 minutes for both zone and contaminant simulation. With single period in *.opr file the contaminant level is a straight line of proper value. As I try to use more periods in *.opr file - even with same gains in each period I get strange peaks in contaminant level. I put the diagrams with the contaminant value for 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 12 and 24 periods a day on www: http://www.gorzen.poznet.com.pl/espr/peaks.htm. My model is also available to download: http://www.gorzen.poznet.com.pl/espr/cont.zip Something wrong with my model? Below are some lines from my *.opr file with 4 periods a day. 4 # number of casual gains in day type: weekdays # type, start, stop, sens, latent, rad_frac, conv_frac 1, 0, 6, 540.0, 180.0, 0.500, 0.500 1, 6, 12, 540.0, 180.0, 0.500, 0.500 1, 12, 18, 540.0, 180.0, 0.500, 0.500 1, 18, 24, 540.0, 180.0, 0.500, 0.500 Flow is constant all the time, gains are the same in all periods. What is wrong? The only way I see to do it correctly is to add source as #6 personal CO2 emission model answering no to the questions "Take metabolic rates from occupancy casual gains (defined in operation files)" and then to describe the number of people, activity level and occupation time. Then it works proper, without any peaks. But it is not the solution. I can not simulate separate CO2 emissions for weekdays and Sundays. Regards, Radek Gorzenski ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:51:05 +0200 From: francesco.frontini at polimi.it Subject: [esp-r] Question about PV electricity production To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Message-ID: <20090330135105.kyuki9yggsk0cogs at webmail.polimi.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Hi all, is there anyone who work with the module of PV? I would like to know about the angular dependency of PV in ESP-r. How the angle of incidence influences the PV electricity production? Where can I found the code which is deal with that? Thank you very much in advance. Francesco Frontini ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:05:49 -0400 From: "Ian Beausoleil-Morrison" Subject: [esp-r] Re: Question about PV electricity production To: Message-ID: <008501c9b138$3f52b680$bdf82380$@carleton.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear Francesco, ESP-r's three PV models are found in src/esrubld/spmatl.F. Refer to the subroutines SPMCMP1, SPMCMP2, and SPMCMP5. The enclosed paper may be of interest to you. Regards, - Ian Ian Beausoleil-Morrison, Ph.D., P.Eng. Associate Professor and Canada Research Chair Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering Carleton University 1125 Colonel By Drive Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K1S 5B6 Ian_Beausoleil-Morrison at carleton.ca +1 (613) 520-2600 ext 3022 (telephone) +1 (613) 520-5715 (facsimile) www.mae.carleton.ca/maehtmls/beausoleil.html > -----Original Message----- > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r- > bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of francesco.frontini at polimi.it > Sent: March 30, 2009 7:51 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Question about PV electricity production > > Hi all, > is there anyone who work with the module of PV? > I would like to know about the angular dependency of PV in ESP-r. How > the angle of incidence influences the PV electricity production? Where > can I found the code which is deal with that? > Thank you very much in advance. > > Francesco Frontini > > > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Mottillo et al. 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Regards, Aizaz On Monday 30 March 2009 04:40, Radoslaw Gorzenski wrote: > Dear all, > > I simulate contaminant levels in single room with casual occupant gains and > constant mass flow rate component. I use #6 ?personal CO2 emission? as a > source/sink model in *.ctm file. Time steps are 6 minutes for both zone and > contaminant simulation. With single period in *.opr file the contaminant > level is a straight line of proper value. As I try to use more periods in > *.opr file - even with same gains in each period I get strange peaks in > contaminant level. I put the diagrams with the contaminant value for 1, 2, > 3, 4, 6, 8, 12 and 24 periods a day on www: > http://www.gorzen.poznet.com.pl/espr/peaks.htm. My model is also available > to download: http://www.gorzen.poznet.com.pl/espr/cont.zip > > Something wrong with my model? > > Below are some lines from my *.opr file with 4 periods a day. > > 4 # number of casual gains in day type: weekdays > # type, start, stop, sens, latent, rad_frac, conv_frac > 1, 0, 6, 540.0, 180.0, 0.500, 0.500 > 1, 6, 12, 540.0, 180.0, 0.500, 0.500 > 1, 12, 18, 540.0, 180.0, 0.500, 0.500 > 1, 18, 24, 540.0, 180.0, 0.500, 0.500 > > Flow is constant all the time, gains are the same in all periods. What is > wrong? > > The only way I see to do it correctly is to add source as #6 personal CO2 > emission model answering no to the questions "Take metabolic rates from > occupancy casual gains (defined in operation files)" and then to describe > the number of people, activity level and occupation time. Then it works > proper, without any peaks. But it is not the solution. I can not simulate > separate CO2 emissions for weekdays and Sundays. > > Regards, > Radek Gorzenski From francesco.frontini at polimi.it Tue Mar 31 13:03:33 2009 From: francesco.frontini at polimi.it (francesco.frontini at polimi.it) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:03:33 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Question about PV electricity production Message-ID: <20090331140333.8sestfhn7oo8og0s@webmail.polimi.it> Dear Maria, Ian and all thank you for your answers, I found the code and the equation but it =20 is not yet clear what you want to say with: "the effective irradiance reaching the PV module by taking into =20 account the reflectance of the module's front cover at the angle of =20 incidence, at 60 degrees and at 0 degrees". That means that an interpolation is made from 0=B0 to 60=B0 to reduce the = =20 irradiance reaching the module to evaluate the electricity production. =20 The following formule is not really clear for me: fQPnl =3D ( EXDIR(ispmloc(ISPMNOD,2)) * fTrans_IncAng + & EXDIF(ispmloc(ISPMNOD,2)) * fTrans_60 ) / & fTrans_0 Can you explain me it? Regards Francesco From Maria.Mottillo at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca Tue Mar 31 18:07:16 2009 From: Maria.Mottillo at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca (Mottillo, Maria) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:07:16 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Question about PV electricity production In-Reply-To: <20090331140333.8sestfhn7oo8og0s@webmail.polimi.it> References: <20090331140333.8sestfhn7oo8og0s@webmail.polimi.it> Message-ID: Francesco, The equation calculates the effective solar radiation on the module (fQPnl) as : ( Et,b * (1 - r(theta)) + Et,d * (1-r(60)) ) / r(0) where Et,b is the beam/direct component of solar radiation in the plane of the array; r(theta) is the reflectance of the front surface of the module for an angle of incidence theta (note that in the code 1-r is represented by fTrans_*); Et,d is the diffuse component of solar radiation in the plane of the array; -Maria -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of francesco.frontini at polimi.it Sent: March 31, 2009 08:04 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Question about PV electricity production Dear Maria, Ian and all thank you for your answers, I found the code and the equation but it =20 is not yet clear what you want to say with: "the effective irradiance reaching the PV module by taking into =20 account the reflectance of the module's front cover at the angle of =20 incidence, at 60 degrees and at 0 degrees". That means that an interpolation is made from 0=B0 to 60=B0 to reduce the = =20 irradiance reaching the module to evaluate the electricity production. =20 The following formule is not really clear for me: fQPnl =3D ( EXDIR(ispmloc(ISPMNOD,2)) * fTrans_IncAng + & EXDIF(ispmloc(ISPMNOD,2)) * fTrans_60 ) / & fTrans_0 Can you explain me it? Regards Francesco _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in Wed Apr 1 07:01:39 2009 From: nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in (NALIN SWAROOP) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:31:39 +0530 (IST) Subject: [esp-r] network flow problem Message-ID: Hello all I am trying to learn the network flow module of esp-r I have created a single zone building of dimensions 5.6 * 4.6 * 2.8 The room has no windows, only two cracks on the east and west walls I have edited the climate file to change the wind speed to a constant value of 5 m/s flowing in west to east direction For cracks I am using the type 120 (crack width, crack length, dP ) I have made three nodes: 1.Room 2.east wall 3.west wall Two crack components Two connections: 1. room(+ve node) and east wall(-ve node) through eastcrack 2. room(+ve node) and west wall(-ve node) through westcrack every things runs properly and there is no error during simulation but the problem is when I see the results there is no inflow or outflow i.e every value related to mass flow volume flow is zero in the output. I have tried changing the crack type to large opening type still there is no flow please help Sincerely Nalin From monika.hall at fhnw.ch Wed Apr 1 09:03:53 2009 From: monika.hall at fhnw.ch (Hall,Monika) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:03:53 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: network flow problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2E69B53CF81E2A43988A841A5B26799493A957E199@MXAMU12.adm.ds.fhnw.ch> Hi Nalin, are you sure, that the nodes east wall and west wall are connected with external? Regards Monika -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von NALIN SWAROOP Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. April 2009 08:02 An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: [esp-r] network flow problem Hello all I am trying to learn the network flow module of esp-r I have created a single zone building of dimensions 5.6 * 4.6 * 2.8 The room has no windows, only two cracks on the east and west walls I have edited the climate file to change the wind speed to a constant value of 5 m/s flowing in west to east direction For cracks I am using the type 120 (crack width, crack length, dP ) I have made three nodes: 1.Room 2.east wall 3.west wall Two crack components Two connections: 1. room(+ve node) and east wall(-ve node) through eastcrack 2. room(+ve node) and west wall(-ve node) through westcrack every things runs properly and there is no error during simulation but the problem is when I see the results there is no inflow or outflow i.e every value related to mass flow volume flow is zero in the output. I have tried changing the crack type to large opening type still there is no flow please help Sincerely Nalin _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Apr 1 09:14:53 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:14:53 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: network flow problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4132A1D7A42E9@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> The problem may because of the names of the nodes - try editing the network file to remove the spaces in 2.east wall and 3.west wall -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of NALIN SWAROOP [nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in] Sent: 01 April 2009 07:01 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] network flow problem Hello all I am trying to learn the network flow module of esp-r I have created a single zone building of dimensions 5.6 * 4.6 * 2.8 The room has no windows, only two cracks on the east and west walls I have edited the climate file to change the wind speed to a constant value of 5 m/s flowing in west to east direction For cracks I am using the type 120 (crack width, crack length, dP ) I have made three nodes: 1.Room 2.east wall 3.west wall Two crack components Two connections: 1. room(+ve node) and east wall(-ve node) through eastcrack 2. room(+ve node) and west wall(-ve node) through westcrack every things runs properly and there is no error during simulation but the problem is when I see the results there is no inflow or outflow i.e every value related to mass flow volume flow is zero in the output. I have tried changing the crack type to large opening type still there is no flow please help Sincerely Nalin _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From radoslaw.gorzenski at put.poznan.pl Wed Apr 1 12:36:32 2009 From: radoslaw.gorzenski at put.poznan.pl (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Radek_G=F3rze=F1ski?=) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 13:36:32 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Contaminant peaks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001801c9b2be$1b3ddfe0$51b99fa0$%gorzenski@put.poznan.pl> Dear all! Thank you for your answers concerning contaminant peaks. I have tried smaller time steps - different combinations of zone and contaminant time steps - even as small as half minute - and received the same contaminant peaks. I also say no to 'hourly results integration' when I set the timestep. I have analyzed CO2 example cellular_contam in training folder. I have changed all occupant gain to same level in each period and created two sets of *.opr files: first with only one period a day, second with several periods (of same occupant gain). The differences and contaminant peaks can be easily seen in results, although results should be the same. In my model I try to use time dependant constant mass (#5) - a fixed mass (kg/s) of contaminant added within a user specified interval. With single period it works proper. But if I use more periods it looks like ESP-r multiplies contaminant mass flow by the number of left periods. For example, with 20 periods defined, I have to divide the #5 period constant mass flow value by 15 to get the proper contaminant level as a result, and so on. It works for single contaminant source model, but not for more sources one. Your advice will be appreciated. Thanks in advance! Radek Gorzenski Poznan University of Technology From aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk Wed Apr 1 12:56:33 2009 From: aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk (Aizaz Samuel) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:56:33 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Contaminant peaks In-Reply-To: <001801c9b2be$1b3ddfe0$51b99fa0$%gorzenski@put.poznan.pl> References: <001801c9b2be$1b3ddfe0$51b99fa0$%gorzenski@put.poznan.pl> Message-ID: <200904011256.33940.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> Radek, It probably is a bug. Could you forward your models to me and I will take a look. Regards, Aizaz On Wednesday 01 April 2009 12:36, Radek G?rze?ski wrote: > Dear all! > > Thank you for your answers concerning contaminant peaks. > > I have tried smaller time steps - different combinations of zone and > contaminant time steps - even as small as half minute - and received the > same contaminant peaks. I also say no to 'hourly results integration' when > I set the timestep. > > I have analyzed CO2 example cellular_contam in training folder. I have > changed all occupant gain to same level in each period and created two sets > of *.opr files: first with only one period a day, second with several > periods (of same occupant gain). The differences and contaminant peaks can > be easily seen in results, although results should be the same. > > In my model I try to use time dependant constant mass (#5) - a fixed mass > (kg/s) of contaminant added within a user specified interval. With single > period it works proper. But if I use more periods it looks like ESP-r > multiplies contaminant mass flow by the number of left periods. For > example, with 20 periods defined, I have to divide the #5 period constant > mass flow value by 15 to get the proper contaminant level as a result, and > so on. It works for single contaminant source model, but not for more > sources one. > > Your advice will be appreciated. > > Thanks in advance! > > Radek Gorzenski > Poznan University of Technology > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Apr 2 09:02:35 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 09:02:35 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: using measured data with ESP-r. Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4132A1D7A42F1@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A question about importing data on infiltration heat gains... ::How can I use external file describing eg. infiltration variation (coming from other software or measurements), internal ::temperature, heat gains etc. (such option was available in older versions..) ::I know it is possible when the schedules are imposed, but what about time dependent variability? This facility is found in the project manager in the context -> impose measured data menu. Essentially this allows you to import column data from an external file into a data structure within ESP-r which can then be associated with a topic (e.g. wind speed, casual gains, infiltration) at simulation time. The interface in the project manager allows you to manage a collection of timestep data and associate it with parts of your building model. This used to be in a separate module TDF but was moved into prj recently. It now allows the time frequency of the data to be different from the timestep of the simulation. The context help messages within the project manager should provide most of the information you need. There are quite a few steps required so it may take a few iterations to gain skills in this area. An example model is included in the folder validation/benchmark/QA/model/cfg/office_operations.cfg -Jon Hand From manzan at units.it Fri Apr 3 07:37:26 2009 From: manzan at units.it (Marco Manzan) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 08:37:26 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] importing WIS Message-ID: <200904030837.26724.manzan@units.it> how can I import results from WIS for glazing systems? I'm alwais getting the error Could not find /tmp/testtag.txt I'm using esp-r 11.6 on an ubuntu 8-04 box thanks in advance -- -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria Navale, del Mare e per l'Ambiente | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Apr 3 08:24:21 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 08:24:21 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: importing WIS In-Reply-To: <200904030837.26724.manzan@units.it> References: <200904030837.26724.manzan@units.it> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4132A1D7A42FD@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> This was found to be a bug (corrected in the next release). The work-around is to name your WIS file /tmp/testag.txt -Jon Hand ________________________________________ Subject: [esp-r] importing WIS how can I import results from WIS for glazing systems? I'm alwais getting the error Could not find /tmp/testtag.txt I'm using esp-r 11.6 on an ubuntu 8-04 box thanks in advance From manzan at units.it Fri Apr 3 13:59:36 2009 From: manzan at units.it (Marco Manzan) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 14:59:36 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: importing WIS In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4132A1D7A42FD@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <200904030837.26724.manzan@units.it> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4132A1D7A42FD@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <200904031459.37117.manzan@units.it> Alle venerd? 3 aprile 2009, Jon Hand ha scritto: > This was found to be a bug (corrected in the next release). The work-around > is to name your WIS file /tmp/testag.txt > > -Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > > Subject: [esp-r] importing WIS > > how can I import results from WIS for glazing systems? > I'm alwais getting the error > Could not find /tmp/testtag.txt > I'm using esp-r 11.6 on an ubuntu 8-04 box > > thanks in advance I checked routine EDOPT where the file testtag.txt is addressed, but it seemd to me that there is no import facility, since the file is only read and data written to output. Furthermore I don't understand the format of the file read since it doesn't apper to be a WIS report since, e.g., the tag '*sol_o_tran_direct' is not present, instead the tag appear to be 't_sol_o_d', I'm using WIS 3.0.1 . An additional question. I've implemented the rotation along horizontal axis for obstructions and I would like to submit the modified 11.6 code to the developers, how can i do it ? thanks in advance -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria Navale, del Mare e per l'Ambiente | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| From sadeghipour at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 13:33:01 2009 From: sadeghipour at gmail.com (Mostapha Sadeghipour) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 17:03:01 +0430 Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r problemsin using the click on bitmap facility to define the zones Message-ID: Dear ESP-r Users, I want to define the zones using the clicking on grid points option. when I click "e" and then "save the zone data" this comment is appear: "Negative or zero zone volume detected. Vertex information maybe in error or surfaces incomplete." I'm almost sure that I selected the points correctly and on right direction, same as what is done in the cookbook page 57. But I also changed the direction to see if anything else happened? The result was the same! Although I can continue creating other zones, but when I exit from the click on facility only the last zone is appeared in the window. However the related items such as surface attributes, etc for this zone are editable,when I want to change to another zone, the program crashes and write this message: result of XReadBitmapFile 0 1063 787 15 15 get region is 0 330 1007 457 result of XReadBitmapFile 0 1063 787 15 15 get region is 0 330 1007 457 result of XReadBitmapFile 0 1063 787 15 15 get region is 0 330 1007 457 result of XReadBitmapFile 0 1063 787 15 15 get region is 0 330 1007 457 result of XReadBitmapFile 0 1063 787 15 15 get region is 0 330 1007 457 Fatal error: In ../zones/exam.geo expecting 4 items (insolation data) in... 0.00000 4.00000 0.00000 I use the esp-r 11.5 in UBUNTU. Any advices is appreciated, Best, Mostapha Sadeghipour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090404/62659e87/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Apr 6 08:31:21 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 08:31:21 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: ESP-r problemsin using the click on bitmap facility to define the zones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4132A1D7A4305@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> First suggestion is to update to version 11.6. You may find that this particular issue does not happen in the newer version. We have not had reports of recent failures. The error message seems to indicate that the geometry file entries were incorrect. It was trying to read information about solar distribution but got a vertex instead. Check that file and you will probably see that the number of vertices does not match or the number of surfaces does not match. It is normal for the last zone you entered to be shown in perspective after you have completed the click-on bitmap. Exit up to the next level in the menus and you should see all of the zones. Also, check to see if your version of the Cookbook is up to date. The latest one is dated November 2008. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mostapha Sadeghipour [sadeghipour at gmail.com] Sent: 04 April 2009 13:33 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r problemsin using the click on bitmap facility to define the zones Dear ESP-r Users, I want to define the zones using the clicking on grid points option. when I click "e" and then "save the zone data" this comment is appear: "Negative or zero zone volume detected. Vertex information maybe in error or surfaces incomplete." I'm almost sure that I selected the points correctly and on right direction, same as what is done in the cookbook page 57. But I also changed the direction to see if anything else happened? The result was the same! Although I can continue creating other zones, but when I exit from the click on facility only the last zone is appeared in the window. However the related items such as surface attributes, etc for this zone are editable,when I want to change to another zone, the program crashes and write this message: result of XReadBitmapFile 0 1063 787 15 15 get region is 0 330 1007 457 result of XReadBitmapFile 0 1063 787 15 15 get region is 0 330 1007 457 result of XReadBitmapFile 0 1063 787 15 15 get region is 0 330 1007 457 result of XReadBitmapFile 0 1063 787 15 15 get region is 0 330 1007 457 result of XReadBitmapFile 0 1063 787 15 15 get region is 0 330 1007 457 Fatal error: In ../zones/exam.geo expecting 4 items (insolation data) in... 0.00000 4.00000 0.00000 I use the esp-r 11.5 in UBUNTU. Any advices is appreciated, Best, Mostapha Sadeghipour From georgios at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Apr 6 11:10:16 2009 From: georgios at esru.strath.ac.uk (Georgios Kokogiannakis) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 11:10:16 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] email In-Reply-To: <20090331140333.8sestfhn7oo8og0s@webmail.polimi.it> References: <20090331140333.8sestfhn7oo8og0s@webmail.polimi.it> Message-ID: <200904061110.16329.georgios@esru.strath.ac.uk> g_kokogiannakis at yahoo.com From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Apr 6 12:14:37 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 12:14:37 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: ESP-r source code In-Reply-To: <1625FB29959296499A2997A53E23F54201730F42@mailx.isec.pt> References: <1625FB29959296499A2997A53E23F54201730F42@mailx.isec.pt> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4132A1D7A430A@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A question about how to install esp-r from source code. ________________________________________ I'm working with a compiled version of ESP-r (for Linux), but in the few time i must work with the source code. How can i install ESP-r with the source code? I haven't understand how to use a sub-version... And what is the one that i need to install... What is the function of this? There are a number of PDF documents included with the ESP-r distribution which give advise on how to download the source of ESP-r and Install it. On the download page of the ESRU web site is a link to ESP-r Central which provides a number of links. Installing subversion on a Linux machine is typically done via the package installer that comes with your specific Linux distribution. The tool svn may already be on your machine. Find this out via the command which svn If there is a response to this command then you can issue the svn checkout command mentioned on the ESP-r Central page. If you do not have subversion on your machine use the package manager and install it. You will also need a set of compilers - the GNU compilers are often included on Linux machines. You will need the GNU g++ gcc and gfortran compilers. Once you have the compilers installed then the simple form of Installing esp-r only takes a few steps: cd the_place_where_esp-r_source_is ./Install -d the_place_where_you_want_esp-r_installed And there are many options in the Install script which you can find by giving the command ./Install --help If the Install script fails it will usually give some messages which can be used to identify what additional work needs to be done. In the source distribution there is a folder named archive and the PDF documents in that folder provide some information. There is also a folder manual/OS where there are more hints about setting up different types of computers. -ESRU From cah at byg.dtu.dk Tue Apr 7 11:31:19 2009 From: cah at byg.dtu.dk (Christian Anker Hviid) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 12:31:19 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Effect of flow multipliers when plt flow is substituted with mfs flow Message-ID: <78B14BBA2B77DF4186B975430E16648B0D0F33@mail3.byg.dtu.dk> Hello ESP-r community A question about what happens when I combine plant and mass flow networks with air flow multipliers in the plant? As far as I can figure out multipliers are ignored just as mass diversion ratio is, but am I correct and is there a workaround? Best regards Christian Anker Hviid Industrial PhD candidate DTU Byg Technical University of Denmark Brovej, building 118 DK-2800 Lyngby Phone DTU: +45 4525 1886 Phone Alectia: +45 8819 1365 Mail: cah at byg.dtu.dk From nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in Wed Apr 8 10:30:42 2009 From: nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in (NALIN SWAROOP) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 15:00:42 +0530 (IST) Subject: [esp-r] atrium modeling Message-ID: <3c5fb2db02b0cfd727a612b473e0a305.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> Hello all I have to model a 8 storey building with an atrium going from ground floor to top floor.This atrium has the staircase which will be connected to every floor i.e every floor has its entry from the staircase. How should I go about modeling this in ESP-r? should I use autocad or is there an easier way to model this in ESP-r? and how should I define the zones? Sincerely Nalin From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Apr 8 11:40:56 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:40:56 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: atrium modeling In-Reply-To: <3c5fb2db02b0cfd727a612b473e0a305.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> References: <3c5fb2db02b0cfd727a612b473e0a305.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4132A1D7A4314@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A question about an atrium... ________________________________________ I have to model a 8 storey building with an atrium going from ground floor to top floor.This atrium has the staircase which will be connected to every floor i.e every floor has its entry from the staircase. How should I go about modeling this in ESP-r? should I use autocad or is there an easier way to model this in ESP-r? and how should I define the zones? _________________________________________ If the building floor plan is essentially the same on each of the 8 levels then you can save lots of time by generating the first floor geometry and FULLY attributing these zones. The you could copy and transform the zones to create the upper floors. And with 8 floors the design of the model would need to be carefully planned so that there was sufficient detail to answer your performance questions. Modeling an atrium is an art as well as a science. The design of the zones representing the atrium would depend on the likely flow paths for air. In general the atrium would be composed of several zones which would be linked together via a mass flow network. Another source of information would be the ESP-r Cookbook which is available on the ESRU web site. There is a chapter discussing mass flow. To give further comment it would be necessary to see plans and sections. Such a model would typically be the work of an expert practitioner of simulation. It may be that some people in the ESP-r community would be interested in a subcontract to assist you in creating such a model. While we are on the subject of air flow....there will be an ESP-r mass flow network workshop in Glasgow after the IBPSA 09 simulation conference. -Jon Hand From nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in Wed Apr 8 13:10:34 2009 From: nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in (NALIN SWAROOP) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 17:40:34 +0530 (IST) Subject: [esp-r] Re: atrium modeling In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4132A1D7A4314@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <3c5fb2db02b0cfd727a612b473e0a305.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4132A1D7A4314@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: I looked into the ESP-r cookbook but I could not find anything specific to atrium or high space buildings can you please tell me the specific section number?? Also why should an atrium be modeled into separate zones??why cant it just be a single zone which is linked (thermally and flow wise) to the other 8 floors at the specific floor heights. TIA Sincerely Nalin From nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in Wed Apr 8 12:17:12 2009 From: nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in (NALIN SWAROOP) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 16:47:12 +0530 (IST) Subject: [esp-r] Re: atrium modeling In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4132A1D7A4314@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <3c5fb2db02b0cfd727a612b473e0a305.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4132A1D7A4314@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1fa0214099a89ef15895fa07a05d07df.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> I looked into the ESP-r cookbook but I could not find anything specific to atrium or high space buildings can you please tell me the specific section number?? Also why should an atrium be modeled into separate zones??why cant it just be a single zone which is linked (thermally and flow wise) to the other 8 floors at the specific floor heights. TIA Sincerely Nalin From rodrigo.jpg at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 15:23:49 2009 From: rodrigo.jpg at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Rodrigo_P=E9rez?=) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 10:23:49 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Merit & Esp-r Message-ID: <49dcb37c.20015a0a.498a.ffffec07@mx.google.com> Hi, Exist a manual in pdf the MERIT their interaction with Esp-r? There for download in internet Odyssey of DASS Consultants.? Thank you very much. Rodrigo P?rez. Santiago, Chile. www.simulacionenergetica.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090408/52a6b95f/attachment.html From Abdelaziz.Laouadi at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca Wed Apr 8 17:20:45 2009 From: Abdelaziz.Laouadi at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca (Laouadi, Aziz) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 12:20:45 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Re: atrium modeling In-Reply-To: <3c5fb2db02b0cfd727a612b473e0a305.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> Message-ID: <5910A0754536EA4AAD411AE8221C3962036AEB81@nrccenexb1.nrc.ca> Nalin, The following references may help. Laouadi, A.; Atif, M.R.; Galasiu, A.D. "Methodology towards developing skylight design tools for thermal and energy performance of atriums in cold climates," Building and Environment, 38, (1), pp. 117-127, Jan, 2003. http://www.nrc.ca/irc/fulltext/nrcc44248/ Laouadi, A.; Atif, M.R.; Galasiu, A.D. "Towards developing skylight design tools for thermal and energy performance of atriums in cold climates," Building and Environment, 37, (12), Dec, pp. 1289-1316, Dec, 2002. http://www.nrc.ca/irc/fulltext/nrcc44249/ Thanks AL -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of NALIN SWAROOP Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 5:31 AM To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] atrium modeling Hello all I have to model a 8 storey building with an atrium going from ground floor to top floor.This atrium has the staircase which will be connected to every floor i.e every floor has its entry from the staircase. How should I go about modeling this in ESP-r? should I use autocad or is there an easier way to model this in ESP-r? and how should I define the zones? Sincerely Nalin _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From sadeghipour at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 19:06:52 2009 From: sadeghipour at gmail.com (Mostapha Sadeghipour) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 22:36:52 +0430 Subject: [esp-r] Re: ESP-r problemsin using the click on bitmap facility to define the zones In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4132A1D7A4305@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4132A1D7A4305@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: Dear Mr Hand, I have updated to Ver. 11.6., and bitmap facility works perfect. Regards, Mostapha Sadeghipour On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Jon Hand wrote: > > First suggestion is to update to version 11.6. You may find that this > particular issue does not happen in the newer version. We have not > had reports of recent failures. > > The error message seems to indicate that the geometry file entries > were incorrect. It was trying to read information about solar distribution > but got a vertex instead. Check that file and you will probably see that > the number of vertices does not match or the number of surfaces does > not match. > > It is normal for the last zone you entered to be shown in perspective > after you have completed the click-on bitmap. Exit up to the next > level in the menus and you should see all of the zones. > > Also, check to see if your version of the Cookbook is up to date. The > latest one is dated November 2008. > > -Jon Hand > > > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Mostapha Sadeghipour [sadeghipour at gmail.com] > Sent: 04 April 2009 13:33 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r problemsin using the click on bitmap facility to > define the zones > > Dear ESP-r Users, > > I want to define the zones using the clicking on grid points option. when I > click "e" and then "save the zone data" this comment is appear: "Negative or > zero zone volume detected. Vertex information maybe in error or surfaces > incomplete." I'm almost sure that I selected the points correctly and on > right direction, same as what is done in the cookbook page 57. But I also > changed the direction to see if anything else happened? The result was the > same! > > Although I can continue creating other zones, but when I exit from the > click on facility only the last zone is appeared in the window. However the > related items such as surface attributes, etc for this zone are > editable,when I want to change to another zone, the program crashes and > write this message: > > result of XReadBitmapFile 0 1063 787 15 15 > get region is 0 330 1007 457 > result of XReadBitmapFile 0 1063 787 15 15 > get region is 0 330 1007 457 > result of XReadBitmapFile 0 1063 787 15 15 > get region is 0 330 1007 457 > result of XReadBitmapFile 0 1063 787 15 15 > get region is 0 330 1007 457 > result of XReadBitmapFile 0 1063 787 15 15 > get region is 0 330 1007 457 > Fatal error: In ../zones/exam.geo expecting 4 items (insolation data) > in... > 0.00000 4.00000 0.00000 > > I use the esp-r 11.5 in UBUNTU. > > Any advices is appreciated, > > Best, > > Mostapha Sadeghipour > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090414/6ee8cda5/attachment.html From obrien_liam at hotmail.com Wed Apr 15 21:08:52 2009 From: obrien_liam at hotmail.com (Liam O'Brien) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:08:52 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Re: how to control indoor temperature of designed building at 25 degree celsius In-Reply-To: <34043.39942.qm@web15907.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> References: <34043.39942.qm@web15907.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Teresa, Once you're in Project Manager and your model has been opened, do the following: 1) browse/edit/simulate 2) j) zones 3) use default ctl file name and make new file. 4) Use "one" control day type for now 5) Use 1 period 6) Start at "0.000" (midnight) 7) Click on "e) 1 0 0 0...." 8) in "period data", click "a) 1 0.00 db..." 9) click "2) Law: free floating" and select "a Basic controller..." 10) click exit 11) Here, you can change the setpoints and capacities. Use very big capacities at first, so that you don't max out. And you can set the heating or cooling setpoint to 25C. I would check out the ESP-r Cookbook before proceeding, however. Here: http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/Documents/ESP-r_cookbook_exercises_sep2008.pdf Regards, Liam O'Brien Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:35:59 +0800 From: lzytongji at yahoo.com.cn To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] how to control indoor temperature of designed building at 25 degree celsius Hi, Which module of esp-r can achieve to control indoor temperature of designed building at 25 degree celsius. Can you give me some detail info. for it? Thanks, Teresa.Li ????????????????? _________________________________________________________________ Internet Explorer 8 helps keep your personal info safe. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9655581 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sincerely Nalin From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Thu Apr 16 12:08:25 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:08:25 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: CFD grid error In-Reply-To: <58529.10.110.42.2.1239875013.squirrel@epsilon.me.iitb.ac.in> References: <58529.10.110.42.2.1239875013.squirrel@epsilon.me.iitb.ac.in> Message-ID: <001701c9be83$aa4a9ea0$fedfdbe0$@geissler@intergga.ch> Dear Nalin without having the cfd-definition file, it is not possible to say. Have you compared an exemplar input file with yours? Best regards Achim -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of nalin at me.iitb.ac.in Sent: Donnerstag, 16. April 2009 11:44 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] CFD grid error Hello all I am trying to learn the CFD module of ESP-r, for this I have modeled a simple room with two window openings on opposite walls. I have checked the grid many times but still ESP-r gives the error of some boundary cells not being defined as boundary condition or are defined more than once.I did not find any overlapping cells or any left out (not defined) cells so am I doing something else wrong??? Sincerely Nalin _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in Fri Apr 17 07:20:18 2009 From: nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in (NALIN SWAROOP) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:50:18 +0530 (IST) Subject: [esp-r] Re: CFD grid error In-Reply-To: <001701c9be83$aa4a9ea0$fedfdbe0$@geissler@intergga.ch> References: <58529.10.110.42.2.1239875013.squirrel@epsilon.me.iitb.ac.in> <001701c9be83$aa4a9ea0$fedfdbe0$@geissler@intergga.ch> Message-ID: attached is the cfd definition file please check and reply Regards Nalin > Dear Nalin > > without having the cfd-definition file, it is not possible to say. > > Have you compared an exemplar input file with yours? > > Best regards > Achim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of nalin at me.iitb.ac.in > Sent: Donnerstag, 16. April 2009 11:44 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] CFD grid error > > Hello all > > I am trying to learn the CFD module of ESP-r, for this I have modeled a > simple room with two window openings on opposite walls. I have checked the > grid many times but still ESP-r gives the error of some boundary cells not > being defined as boundary condition or are defined more than once.I did > not find any overlapping cells or any left out (not defined) cells so am I > doing something else wrong??? > > Sincerely > > Nalin > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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April 2009 08:20 To: Achim Geissler Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: CFD grid error attached is the cfd definition file please check and reply Regards Nalin > Dear Nalin > > without having the cfd-definition file, it is not possible to say. > > Have you compared an exemplar input file with yours? > > Best regards > Achim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of > nalin at me.iitb.ac.in > Sent: Donnerstag, 16. April 2009 11:44 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] CFD grid error > > Hello all > > I am trying to learn the CFD module of ESP-r, for this I have modeled > a simple room with two window openings on opposite walls. I have > checked the grid many times but still ESP-r gives the error of some > boundary cells not being defined as boundary condition or are defined > more than once.I did not find any overlapping cells or any left out > (not defined) cells so am I doing something else wrong??? > > Sincerely > > Nalin > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: CFD_mon Type: application/octet-stream Size: 162040 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090417/b9de5e11/attachment-0002.obj -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If this turns out to be too complicated, it is possible to approximate shading by running one or two zones in each orientation and interpolating between them without too much loss of accuracy. We do this externally; it might be possible to do in ESP-r for identical zones by assigning shading files to multiple zones. Ralph. -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk on behalf of Felipe Dur?n Sent: Fri 4/17/2009 20:48 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Obstructions Dear All, I am modelling an obstruction representing an horizontal shading device of a window. when the model is done, Do I have to run the ish module? Do I have to run it for the particular zone or for all the zones of the model? When I try to simulate ESP-r tells me that "Some zones have missing or corrupt shading files. The model not yet complete vis-a-vis thermal simulation." What does it means? Thank you in advance, kind regards, Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. 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Thanks Camilo Diaz WSP Energy &Environment Ltd 07713985845 ________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk To: Felipe Dur?n ; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Sent: Sat Apr 18 14:48:48 2009 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Obstructions "The shading and insolation module (ish) provides facilities to calculate shading patterns on exterior surfaces and the insolation distribution across the inside surfaces of a zone." So yes, you need to run it for every zone that may be influenced by your obstruction. When you change an obstruction, it will prompt you to rerun shading calcs either silently or interactively. If this turns out to be too complicated, it is possible to approximate shading by running one or two zones in each orientation and interpolating between them without too much loss of accuracy. We do this externally; it might be possible to do in ESP-r for identical zones by assigning shading files to multiple zones. Ralph. -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk on behalf of Felipe Dur?n Sent: Fri 4/17/2009 20:48 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Obstructions Dear All, I am modelling an obstruction representing an horizontal shading device of a window. when the model is done, Do I have to run the ish module? Do I have to run it for the particular zone or for all the zones of the model? When I try to simulate ESP-r tells me that "Some zones have missing or corrupt shading files. The model not yet complete vis-a-vis thermal simulation." What does it means? Thank you in advance, kind regards, Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 This message has been scanned by MailController - www.MailController.altohiway.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am not able to figure out the problem please help Regards Nalin From nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in Mon Apr 20 06:53:25 2009 From: nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in (NALIN SWAROOP) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 11:23:25 +0530 (IST) Subject: [esp-r] Singapore climate file Message-ID: <5a56f6b1e4b2c7cfd84767f84f69aebf.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> Hello all Can someone please send me the Singapore climate file in the ESP-r format Regards Nalin From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Apr 20 08:45:00 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 08:45:00 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: ESP-r installation In-Reply-To: <4EAD724E3809044FA59B032AD878AEAC479F72@inetinovl02.ineti.pt> References: <4EAD724E3809044FA59B032AD878AEAC479F72@inetinovl02.ineti.pt> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4132A1D7A433D@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A compile issue.... ________________________________________ I am trying to install ESP-r inside ubunto Linux 8.10, I did not succeed and I get the following error message: ERROR: could not build executable disableXML! _________________________________________ Usually the Install script will provide additional information in addition to the ERROR statement. To help you we need: a: the version of ESP-r you were trying to compile b: the specific command you gave when invoking Install c: the full error statement And the likely problem is that you do not have the full set of compilers needed by ESP-r. You will need gfortran as well as g++ and gcc. Use the Ubuntu package manager is necessary. If you have a choice, get the 4.1.2 version of the GCC compilers. -ESRU From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Mon Apr 20 11:51:59 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:51:59 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Obstructions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001e01c9c1a6$08d26d70$1a774850$@geissler@intergga.ch> ? what types of building and what types of high performance glass are you thinking about? Typically, you will not be able to achieve solar protection by the glass alone due to daylight transmission requirements. You can design solar altitude dependant direct shading with external blinds, but not ? to my knowledge ? with glazing ? On the other hand, if you succeed in blocking out the radiation with the glass alone, why should the internal lite of an IGU heat up excessively? Where are you located? In central Europe, triple insulating glazing is (not so slowly) becoming the standard. U-values in the range of 0.5 to 0.7 are thus ?daily bread?. If you manage to block the radiation in the outermost lite, I would guess that your internal surface temperatures will be acceptable. Best regards Achim From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Diaz, Camilo Sent: Sonntag, 19. April 2009 14:23 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Obstructions Dear all, a separate but related issue. Has anyone compared in esp-r the effect of external shading versus high performance glass? Has glazing technology improved so much these days that external shading devices will soon be a thing of the past? Perhaps in terms of cooling loads yes but what about comfort? In my book no matter how good the glass is, if exposed to incident radiation, it will heat up and raise its surface temperature, the MRT and eventually the overall resultant temperature of the room. Any views welcome. Thanks Camilo Diaz WSP Energy &Environment Ltd 07713985845 _____ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk To: Felipe Dur?n ; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Sent: Sat Apr 18 14:48:48 2009 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Obstructions "The shading and insolation module (ish) provides facilities to calculate shading patterns on exterior surfaces and the insolation distribution across the inside surfaces of a zone." So yes, you need to run it for every zone that may be influenced by your obstruction. When you change an obstruction, it will prompt you to rerun shading calcs either silently or interactively. If this turns out to be too complicated, it is possible to approximate shading by running one or two zones in each orientation and interpolating between them without too much loss of accuracy. We do this externally; it might be possible to do in ESP-r for identical zones by assigning shading files to multiple zones. Ralph. -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk on behalf of Felipe Dur?n Sent: Fri 4/17/2009 20:48 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Obstructions Dear All, I am modelling an obstruction representing an horizontal shading device of a window. when the model is done, Do I have to run the ish module? Do I have to run it for the particular zone or for all the zones of the model? When I try to simulate ESP-r tells me that "Some zones have missing or corrupt shading files. The model not yet complete vis-a-vis thermal simulation." What does it means? Thank you in advance, kind regards, Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 This message has been scanned by MailController - www.MailController.altohiway.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090420/4a5dd5e4/attachment.html From chandrayeeee at gmail.com Mon Apr 20 12:13:39 2009 From: chandrayeeee at gmail.com (Chandrayee Basu) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:13:39 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] export data to excel Message-ID: Hello All I am trying to analyse an adaptive comfort model result. I need to export the two variables ambient temperature and resultant temperature to excel and see how many points lie beyong the adaptive comfort range. Is it possible to export variable value sto excel? 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Then, you can load this file. Achim -----Original Message----- From: NALIN SWAROOP [mailto:nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in] Sent: Montag, 20. April 2009 07:32 To: Achim Geissler Cc: 'NALIN SWAROOP'; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: CFD grid error The simulation runs fine but every time I try to see the CFD results it says the CFD file "aircfd" not found. I am not able to figure out the problem please help Regards Nalin From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Apr 20 12:48:46 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:48:46 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: export data to excel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4132A1D7A433E@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Exporting data to 3rd party applications... ________________________________________ I am trying to analyse an adaptive comfort model result. I need to export the two variables ambient temperature and resultant temperature to excel and see how many points lie beyong the adaptive comfort range. Is it possible to export variable value sto excel? ________________________________________ There are several answers to this a) there may already be sufficient comfort reports within the results analysis module - you can graph and list and do statistics on comfort in terms of PMV and PPD and if you have detailed 'block' sensors in the room you can also do position-specific comfort. b) exporting data to a file for use in 3rd party applications is possible. What you have to do in the results analysis module is to use the timestep reports menu and toggle the reporting to an external file and set the separator to you preference (comma tab single-space). You will also want to change the reporting of time to use a fraction of a day. Select what you want to see and then 'list' the data and it will be sent to that file. A few minutes exploring this facility should indicate whether it is suitable for your purposes. c) any of the reports in the ESP-r results analysis module can be set to a file rather than to the text feedback area of res. Some users automate the process by creating scripts to drive the results analysis module. Examples of this can be found in the source code validation/benchmark/QA/model/cfg folder. d) The folk at Natural Resources Canada have also created a facility to write out some performance predictions as an XML file. The tester folder of the source distribution makes frequent use of this. -Jon Hand From manzan at units.it Mon Apr 20 13:57:16 2009 From: manzan at units.it (Marco Manzan) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:57:16 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Obstructions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200904201457.16898.manzan@units.it> > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 13:22:59 +0100 > From: "Diaz, Camilo" > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Obstructions > To: > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Dear all, a separate but related issue. Has anyone compared in esp-r the > effect of external shading versus high performance glass? Has glazing > technology improved so much these days that external shading devices will > soon be a thing of the past? Perhaps in terms of cooling loads yes but what > about comfort? In my book no matter how good the glass is, if exposed to > incident radiation, it will heat up and raise its surface temperature, the > MRT and eventually the overall resultant temperature of the room. Any views > welcome. Thanks > > > > Camilo Diaz > WSP Energy &Environment Ltd > 07713985845 I'm performing some simulation to assess the energy consumption of offices with external shading devices with high performance glazing systems you are speaking about. I'm comparing standard double glass and selective glass with low g value. I'm considering heating, cooling and lighting . What I found is that a optimized shading device coupled with double glass behaves better than an high performance glass with or without shading devices. For the moment the results are for a south exposed window and norther italy climate. -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria Navale, del Mare e per l'Ambiente | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090420/06387f42/attachment.html From Camilo.Diaz at WSPGroup.com Mon Apr 20 15:33:50 2009 From: Camilo.Diaz at WSPGroup.com (Diaz, Camilo) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:33:50 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Obstructions In-Reply-To: <200904201457.16898.manzan@units.it> References: <200904201457.16898.manzan@units.it> Message-ID: Mrco/Achim thanks for your response. Marco your results sound very interesting, and very much in line with my experience. But this goes in some contradiction with Achim's comment about triple glazing performing better, which is also a valid point (thanks Achim). Our results show a benefit in surface temperature if you go for external shading but have not used ESP-r for this and wondered if it is a modelling issue. This is for a building in Dubai. Is there any chance I can see some results of your study? Regards Camilo ________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Marco Manzan Sent: 20 April 2009 13:57 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Obstructions > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 13:22:59 +0100 > From: "Diaz, Camilo" > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Obstructions > To: > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Dear all, a separate but related issue. Has anyone compared in esp-r the > effect of external shading versus high performance glass? Has glazing > technology improved so much these days that external shading devices will > soon be a thing of the past? Perhaps in terms of cooling loads yes but what > about comfort? In my book no matter how good the glass is, if exposed to > incident radiation, it will heat up and raise its surface temperature, the > MRT and eventually the overall resultant temperature of the room. Any views > welcome. Thanks > > > > Camilo Diaz > WSP Energy &Environment Ltd > 07713985845 I'm performing some simulation to assess the energy consumption of offices with external shading devices with high performance glazing systems you are speaking about. I'm comparing standard double glass and selective glass with low g value. I'm considering heating, cooling and lighting . 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SW radiation inside is the solar radiation that hits the room-side face of the surface from radiation within the room (e.g. diffuse solar bouncing around in the room and direct solar radiation that has entered the room. ::And second is.. what is the SW rad abs (other fc)? .. and SW rad incid (other fc), LW radiation (inside) ? The first is short wave radiation absorbed on the other face of the surface The 2nd is short wave radiation incident on the other face of the surface The 3rd is long wave radiation at the inside face of the surface ::also what is the meaning 'inside' and 'other fc' ?? The term inside is the face of the surface which is in contact with the zone air. The term other fc is an abbreviation for other face of the surface. :My thought about 'inside' is that inside means the flux passed from outside(ambient) to inside... is it correct?? To get information on how much solar radiation comes into a room a better report would be the 'solar processes' report that includes solar entering the zone from the outside, solar absorbed in the zone and solar entering from adjacent zones. From chenzhuolun at hotmail.com Mon Apr 20 21:53:41 2009 From: chenzhuolun at hotmail.com (Zhuolun Chen) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:53:41 -0600 Subject: [esp-r] IES and esp-r Message-ID: Hi, everyone I saw the introduction of IES-VE few days ago. I wonder whether this is just a interface of esp-r or they add more function themselves. And does esp-r have a sketchup-plugin? If so, where can I download it? Thanks! Zhuolun Chen LEED? AP Building System Program Department of Civil, Environmental and Architectural Engineering University of Colorado at Boulder Boulder, USA http://sites.google.com/site/zhuolunchen/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090420/aca45813/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Apr 21 09:38:12 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:38:12 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: IES and esp-r In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4132A1D7A434A@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> IES-VE and ESP-r are two different software packages. A long time ago there were similarities. IES-VE is proprietary software so you would have to ask them what is in their solution engine. The ESRU web site includes documents which list the current functionality of ESP-r and, of course, you can also look at the source code of ESP-r. You could compare that with documents published by IES-VE. And you could also look at the comparison document for ~20 simulation tools compiled several years ago by myself and Dru Crawley. I can forward a copy of that if there is interest. Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Zhuolun Chen [chenzhuolun at hotmail.com] Sent: 20 April 2009 21:53 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] IES and esp-r Hi, everyone I saw the introduction of IES-VE few days ago. I wonder whether this is just a interface of esp-r or they add more function themselves. And does esp-r have a sketchup-plugin? If so, where can I download it? Thanks! Zhuolun Chen LEED? AP Building System Program Department of Civil, Environmental and Architectural Engineering University of Colorado at Boulder Boulder, USA http://sites.google.com/site/zhuolunchen/ From joao.mariz at ineti.pt Tue Apr 21 10:07:05 2009 From: joao.mariz at ineti.pt (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_Mariz_Gra=E7a?=) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:07:05 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: ESP-r installation In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4132A1D7A433D@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <4EAD724E3809044FA59B032AD878AEAC479F72@inetinovl02.ineti.pt> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4132A1D7A433D@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <49ED8CB9.7040901@ineti.pt> I think that the ESP-r version is the 11.1, because I have download it using subversion, I have done "apt-get install subversion" and then "svn checkout https://esp-r.net/espr/esp-r/trunk" I got a new ./trunk/src directory were I could found the Install script. The error seems to be because I d'ont have the g77 installed and the install script calls for it. I have tryed to install it using for first the "apt-get install" ubunto comand, however I did not succeed. However in the ubunto's synaptic repository I found gfortran (not g77) which I have installed, but it seems to me that the ESP-r install script wants g77 My version of gcc is the 4.3 (I think that it is the last one), Thanks in advance for any help you can provide Jo?o Jon Hand escreveu: > A compile issue.... > ________________________________________ > > > I am trying to install ESP-r inside ubunto Linux 8.10, > I did not succeed and I get the following error message: > > ERROR: could not build executable disableXML! > > _________________________________________ > > Usually the Install script will provide additional information in addition to > the ERROR statement. To help you we need: > > a: the version of ESP-r you were trying to compile > b: the specific command you gave when invoking Install > c: the full error statement > > And the likely problem is that you do not have the full set of compilers > needed by ESP-r. You will need gfortran as well as g++ and gcc. Use > the Ubuntu package manager is necessary. If you have a choice, get > the 4.1.2 version of the GCC compilers. > > -ESRU > > > Esta mensagem foi verificada por uma Webshield Appliance da McAfee. > INETI - DSIC > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.0/2068 - Release Date: 04/19/09 20:04:00 > > From georgios at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Apr 21 10:35:14 2009 From: georgios at esru.strath.ac.uk (Georgios Kokogiannakis) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:35:14 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: IES and esp-r In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200904211035.14368.georgios@esru.strath.ac.uk> Hi Zhuolun Chen, Jon covered the first part of your question. Regarding the second part of your question, unfortunately there is not an ESP-r plugin for Google SketchUp (big unfortunately here since this could boost its use by a million percent). However, I know that there is beta Revit plugin, which was developed for a private organisation. Not sure if this will be released to the public in the future (it is a non-english version at the moment). Regards, Georgios On Monday 20 April 2009 21:53, Zhuolun Chen wrote: > Hi, everyone > I saw the introduction of IES-VE few days ago. I wonder whether this is > just a interface of esp-r or they add more function themselves. > > And does esp-r have a sketchup-plugin? If so, where can I download it? > > Thanks! > > Zhuolun Chen LEED? AP > Building System Program > Department of Civil, Environmental and Architectural Engineering > University of Colorado at Boulder > Boulder, USA > http://sites.google.com/site/zhuolunchen/ From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Apr 21 11:29:31 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:29:31 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: ESP-r installation Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4132A1D7A434E@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> To work with GCC 4.3 you need to use a matching version of gfortran. You also need to include the command --gcc4 in the command when you invoke the Install script. To find out more about the Install script just give the command ./Install --help A typical invocation might look like: ./Install -d /usr/esru --gcc4 Look in the 'archive' folder of the source distribution and you will find a number of documents related to compiling ESP-r. Note that there will shortly be a new distribution of ESP-r released which should work better with GCC 4.3. Currently we recommend that you use the GCC 4.1.2 version of the compilers. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jo?o Mariz Gra?a [joao.mariz at ineti.pt] Sent: 21 April 2009 10:07 To: Jon Hand; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: ESP-r installation I think that the ESP-r version is the 11.1, because I have download it using subversion, I have done "apt-get install subversion" and then "svn checkout https://esp-r.net/espr/esp-r/trunk" I got a new ./trunk/src directory were I could found the Install script. The error seems to be because I d'ont have the g77 installed and the install script calls for it. I have tryed to install it using for first the "apt-get install" ubunto comand, however I did not succeed. However in the ubunto's synaptic repository I found gfortran (not g77) which I have installed, but it seems to me that the ESP-r install script wants g77 My version of gcc is the 4.3 (I think that it is the last one), Thanks in advance for any help you can provide Jo?o Jon Hand escreveu: > A compile issue.... > ________________________________________ > > > I am trying to install ESP-r inside ubunto Linux 8.10, > I did not succeed and I get the following error message: > > ERROR: could not build executable disableXML! > > _________________________________________ > > Usually the Install script will provide additional information in addition to > the ERROR statement. To help you we need: > > a: the version of ESP-r you were trying to compile > b: the specific command you gave when invoking Install > c: the full error statement > > And the likely problem is that you do not have the full set of compilers > needed by ESP-r. You will need gfortran as well as g++ and gcc. Use > the Ubuntu package manager is necessary. If you have a choice, get > the 4.1.2 version of the GCC compilers. > > -ESRU > > > Esta mensagem foi verificada por uma Webshield Appliance da McAfee. > INETI - DSIC > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.0/2068 - Release Date: 04/19/09 20:04:00 > > _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From brice-75 at aliceadsl.fr Wed Apr 22 09:23:00 2009 From: brice-75 at aliceadsl.fr (brice-75) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 10:23:00 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Database corruption ? Message-ID: Good morning, I have an issue stating tu use ESP-r with Windows XP. Folders seem to be created in the right place. C:\Esru\EditPath C:\Esru\esp-r C:\Esru\Models Nevertheless, one thing strange when I launch ESP-r, in the bottom windows appears homedrive is C: homepath is \Documents and Settings\brice.... Is it normal ? I can launch models, create an new model file, review climate data files, browse material database... But when I try to make any basic modifcation in the materials database (just copying one product without edting), the software accepts the copy, but when I save close and open again ESP-r; most values are set to 0, and I cannot editanymore products specfications (density, absorptivity)... What went wrong ? More generally, is it easier to start with Linux Distribution (I think to Ubuntu) than with Windows ? Regards Brice -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards Nalin From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Apr 22 11:51:22 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:51:22 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Database corruption ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4132A1D7A435B@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> This is, I think an issue with the Native Windows version of ESP-r that you are using. Check the ESRU download site and pick up the latest BETA version for Windows which should correct this issue. And the homepath report is typical - ESP-r has picked up the HOME environment variable associated with your Windows account. Some users prefer to change the HOME environment variable to point to another location such as C:\Esru\Models One hint on the materials database, after copying a standard database to your model folder, exit from the database menu and then re-enter it and it may pick up the contents better the 2nd time. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of brice-75 [brice-75 at aliceadsl.fr] Sent: 22 April 2009 09:23 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Database corruption ? Good morning, I have an issue stating tu use ESP-r with Windows XP. Folders seem to be created in the right place. C:\Esru\EditPath C:\Esru\esp-r C:\Esru\Models Nevertheless, one thing strange when I launch ESP-r, in the bottom windows appears homedrive is C: homepath is \Documents and Settings\brice.... Is it normal ? I can launch models, create an new model file, review climate data files, browse material database... But when I try to make any basic modifcation in the materials database (just copying one product without edting), the software accepts the copy, but when I save close and open again ESP-r; most values are set to 0, and I cannot editanymore products specfications (density, absorptivity)... What went wrong ? More generally, is it easier to start with Linux Distribution (I think to Ubuntu) than with Windows ? Regards Brice From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Wed Apr 22 14:33:03 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:33:03 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: CFD problem In-Reply-To: <808e52a8d62cbd53fc66d22be8256eab.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> References: <808e52a8d62cbd53fc66d22be8256eab.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> Message-ID: <000301c9c34e$ddcbb4b0$99631e10$@geissler@intergga.ch> Dear Nalin, yes, you must use conflation of the CFD with an air flow network. Regards Achim -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of NALIN SWAROOP Sent: Mittwoch, 22. April 2009 11:50 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] CFD problem Hello all I have a modeled a single room with 2 opposite windows/openings I have to give pressure inlet and pressure outlet for the first case and velocity inlet and velocity outlet for the second case now the problem is when I use CFD interface it asks for, in the case of pressure BCs inlet and outlet pressure and in the case of velocity BCs inlet and outlet velocity but these are constant values and I want to run a transient case which uses the weather data file to calculate the pressure inlet and outlet and velocity inlet and outlet boundary conditions what should I do? should use the airflow conflation with CFD. Regards Nalin _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in Thu Apr 23 06:16:51 2009 From: nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in (NALIN SWAROOP) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:46:51 +0530 (IST) Subject: [esp-r] Re: CFD problem In-Reply-To: <000301c9c34e$ddcbb4b0$99631e10$@geissler@intergga.ch> References: <808e52a8d62cbd53fc66d22be8256eab.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> <000301c9c34e$ddcbb4b0$99631e10$@geissler@intergga.ch> Message-ID: <0e95bc038b785b1520bbf04c7b5d151e.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> The problem is when I do CFD conflation with network flow and choose the respective nodes it asks which node is the CFD domain and which connection represents the openings when I give the respective names it gives the error that your cells are not compatible with the chosen face. please redefine and the program stops working at that point. Nalin > Dear Nalin, > > yes, you must use conflation of the CFD with an air flow network. > > Regards > Achim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of NALIN SWAROOP > Sent: Mittwoch, 22. April 2009 11:50 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] CFD problem > > Hello all > > I have a modeled a single room with 2 opposite windows/openings I have to > give pressure inlet and pressure outlet for the first case and velocity > inlet and velocity outlet for the second case now the problem is when I > use CFD interface it asks for, in the case of pressure BCs inlet and > outlet pressure and in the case of velocity BCs inlet and outlet velocity > but these are constant values and I want to run a transient case which > uses the weather data file to calculate the pressure inlet and outlet and > velocity inlet and outlet boundary conditions what should I do? should use > the airflow conflation with CFD. > > Regards > > Nalin > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Apr 23 09:07:48 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:07:48 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Singapore climate file In-Reply-To: <5a56f6b1e4b2c7cfd84767f84f69aebf.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> References: <5a56f6b1e4b2c7cfd84767f84f69aebf.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4132A1D7A4365@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> In answer to a recent question about climate files.... ESP-r can import EnergyPlus EPW climate files. There are ~1000 climate files available on the EnergyPlus web site and there is a chapter in the ESP-r Cookbook that gives detailed instructions for how to import such climate data. The weather data site is: http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/buildings/energyplus/cfm/weather_data.cfm The ESP-r Cookbook PDF file from November 2008 can be downloaded from the publications pages of the ESRU web site: http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of NALIN SWAROOP [nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in] Sent: 20 April 2009 06:53 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Singapore climate file Hello all Can someone please send me the Singapore climate file in the ESP-r format Regards Nalin _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk Fri Apr 24 10:45:26 2009 From: aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk (Aizaz Samuel) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:45:26 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: CFD problem In-Reply-To: <0e95bc038b785b1520bbf04c7b5d151e.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> References: <808e52a8d62cbd53fc66d22be8256eab.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> <000301c9c34e$ddcbb4b0$99631e10$@geissler@intergga.ch> <0e95bc038b785b1520bbf04c7b5d151e.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> Message-ID: <200904241045.26083.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> It looks like the cells that you have nominated for each of the boundary conditions (regardless of conflation type) are defined more than once or not at all. Make sure that all the cells in each of x,y and z directions are only used once when defining your boundary conditions. If the problem persists please provide the exact text string describing the error. -Aizaz On Thursday 23 April 2009 06:16, NALIN SWAROOP wrote: > The problem is when I do CFD conflation with network flow and choose the > respective nodes it asks which node is the CFD domain and which connection > represents the openings when I give the respective names it gives the > error that your cells are not compatible with the chosen face. please > redefine and the program stops working at that point. > > Nalin > > > Dear Nalin, > > > > yes, you must use conflation of the CFD with an air flow network. > > > > Regards > > Achim > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > > [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of NALIN SWAROOP > > Sent: Mittwoch, 22. April 2009 11:50 > > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > Subject: [esp-r] CFD problem > > > > Hello all > > > > I have a modeled a single room with 2 opposite windows/openings I have to > > give pressure inlet and pressure outlet for the first case and velocity > > inlet and velocity outlet for the second case now the problem is when I > > use CFD interface it asks for, in the case of pressure BCs inlet and > > outlet pressure and in the case of velocity BCs inlet and outlet velocity > > but these are constant values and I want to run a transient case which > > uses the weather data file to calculate the pressure inlet and outlet and > > velocity inlet and outlet boundary conditions what should I do? should > > use the airflow conflation with CFD. > > > > Regards > > > > Nalin > > > > _______________________________________________ > > esp-r mailing list > > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From lichunying83 at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 09:03:32 2009 From: lichunying83 at gmail.com (chunying li) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:03:32 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] Question about water flowing between two glazing layers. Message-ID: <1a35f1300904280103i5dbb9792tb73299353b02ebd9@mail.gmail.com> Hello, all. I am doing investigation about water flowing between two layers of glazing. Is there any related module in ESP-r? My problems are: 1,How to handle the convective heat transfer coefficient between the water and ambient glazing when the water is flowing at different speed? 2, The solar light will transmit the two layers of glazing and one layer of water inside in the daytime, of course. How to ascertain the solar absorptance and transmittance of the water layer? Any suggestion is appreciated. Thank you! -- Best regards! Chunying -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Make sure that all the cells in each of x,y and z directions are > only > used once when defining your boundary conditions. > > If the problem persists please provide the exact text string describing > the > error. > > -Aizaz > > On Thursday 23 April 2009 06:16, NALIN SWAROOP wrote: >> The problem is when I do CFD conflation with network flow and choose the >> respective nodes it asks which node is the CFD domain and which >> connection >> represents the openings when I give the respective names it gives the >> error that your cells are not compatible with the chosen face. please >> redefine and the program stops working at that point. >> >> Nalin >> >> > Dear Nalin, >> > >> > yes, you must use conflation of the CFD with an air flow network. >> > >> > Regards >> > Achim >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk >> > [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of NALIN SWAROOP >> > Sent: Mittwoch, 22. April 2009 11:50 >> > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> > Subject: [esp-r] CFD problem >> > >> > Hello all >> > >> > I have a modeled a single room with 2 opposite windows/openings I have >> to >> > give pressure inlet and pressure outlet for the first case and >> velocity >> > inlet and velocity outlet for the second case now the problem is when >> I >> > use CFD interface it asks for, in the case of pressure BCs inlet and >> > outlet pressure and in the case of velocity BCs inlet and outlet >> velocity >> > but these are constant values and I want to run a transient case which >> > uses the weather data file to calculate the pressure inlet and outlet >> and >> > velocity inlet and outlet boundary conditions what should I do? should >> > use the airflow conflation with CFD. >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > Nalin >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > esp-r mailing list >> > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r >> >> _______________________________________________ >> esp-r mailing list >> esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Archive.zip Type: application/zip Size: 6868 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090428/2cf792c4/attachment.zip From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Tue Apr 28 14:07:43 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:07:43 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: CFD problem In-Reply-To: References: <808e52a8d62cbd53fc66d22be8256eab.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> <000301c9c34e$ddcbb4b0$99631e10$@geissler@intergga.ch> <0e95bc038b785b1520bbf04c7b5d151e.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> <200904241045.26083.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <002001c9c802$5345e870$f9d1b950$@geissler@intergga.ch> Dear Nalin A first glance at the files you sent seems to indicate that the conflation with the flow network is not really done. Did you try this via prj? Something like the following must be in the cfd file: *air_flow open1 Velocity 0.001 Temp 18.000 Hum 0.000 Area 0.000 Ang 0.000 0.000 3 6 open2 Velocity -0.001 Temp 18.000 Hum 0.000 Area 0.000 Ang 0.000 0.000 3 1 The last numbers describe the connection with the air flow network. However, I am not quite sure what is what. The "6" and the "1" are most likely the corresponding connections in the air flow network. The "3" I can't recall right now. Don?t give up! Regards Achim -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of NALIN SWAROOP Sent: Dienstag, 28. April 2009 10:42 To: Aizaz Samuel Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: CFD problem Please find attached zip file containing the ESP-r and CFD definition files.Please take a look and identify the problem Regards Nalin > It looks like the cells that you have nominated for each of the > boundary conditions (regardless of conflation type) are defined more > than once or not at all. Make sure that all the cells in each of x,y > and z directions are only used once when defining your boundary > conditions. > > If the problem persists please provide the exact text string > describing the error. > > -Aizaz > > On Thursday 23 April 2009 06:16, NALIN SWAROOP wrote: >> The problem is when I do CFD conflation with network flow and choose >> the respective nodes it asks which node is the CFD domain and which >> connection represents the openings when I give the respective names >> it gives the error that your cells are not compatible with the chosen >> face. please redefine and the program stops working at that point. >> >> Nalin >> >> > Dear Nalin, >> > >> > yes, you must use conflation of the CFD with an air flow network. >> > >> > Regards >> > Achim >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk >> > [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of NALIN >> > SWAROOP >> > Sent: Mittwoch, 22. April 2009 11:50 >> > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> > Subject: [esp-r] CFD problem >> > >> > Hello all >> > >> > I have a modeled a single room with 2 opposite windows/openings I >> > have >> to >> > give pressure inlet and pressure outlet for the first case and >> velocity >> > inlet and velocity outlet for the second case now the problem is >> > when >> I >> > use CFD interface it asks for, in the case of pressure BCs inlet >> > and outlet pressure and in the case of velocity BCs inlet and >> > outlet >> velocity >> > but these are constant values and I want to run a transient case >> > which uses the weather data file to calculate the pressure inlet >> > and outlet >> and >> > velocity inlet and outlet boundary conditions what should I do? >> > should use the airflow conflation with CFD. >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > Nalin >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > esp-r mailing list >> > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r >> >> _______________________________________________ >> esp-r mailing list >> esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Apr 28 14:13:16 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:13:16 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Question about water flowing between two glazing layers. In-Reply-To: <1a35f1300904280103i5dbb9792tb73299353b02ebd9@mail.gmail.com> References: <1a35f1300904280103i5dbb9792tb73299353b02ebd9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4132A1EC835F9@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A recent question about water and glass.... ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of chunying li [lichunying83 at gmail.com] Sent: 28 April 2009 09:03 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Question about water flowing between two glazing layers. Hello, all. I am doing investigation about water flowing between two layers of glazing. Is there any related module in ESP-r? My problems are: 1,How to handle the convective heat transfer coefficient between the water and ambient glazing when the water is flowing at different speed? 2, The solar light will transmit the two layers of glazing and one layer of water inside in the daytime, of course. How to ascertain the solar absorptance and transmittance of the water layer? -------------------------------------------------------- Wow, amazing things that people are thinking about. To discuss, this some further description would be useful: a) can you explain the context of this water flowing between glazing (what is this representing)? b) where, specifically, is the water flowing from and to? c) is it a part of an an environmental control system, or water at a fixed inlet temperature? d) does it always flow in the same direction, at the same rate or every stop flowing? e) how many times would this situation happen in your model - one time or 100 times? f) what thermophysical information about the performance of the water and glass is of interest? We might start from the idea that water flowing between two plates will be something like a heat exchanger. -Jon Hand From aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk Tue Apr 28 15:31:31 2009 From: aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk (Aizaz Samuel) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:31:31 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: CFD problem In-Reply-To: References: <808e52a8d62cbd53fc66d22be8256eab.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> <200904241045.26083.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <200904281531.31796.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> Nalin, In the cfd file change the following lines: Open1 Whole 6 25 1 1 11 20 Open2 Whole 6 25 25 25 11 20 to: Open1 South 6 25 1 1 11 20 Open2 North 6 25 25 25 11 20 and you will get rid of the warnings. The grid checker thinks that open1 and open2 are representative of the whole domain in the top version and otherwise in the bottom version. These warnings come from the grid checking subroutine and are not linked to conflation at all. Further to your query, you need a static value of boundary condition (pressure or velocity) when defining the CFD data. These values are stored in the file and are used during standalone (unconflated) CFD runs. When you choose conflation these values will not be used but values calculated for each time step will be used instead. Hope that helps, Aizaz On Tuesday 28 April 2009 09:41, NALIN SWAROOP wrote: > Please find attached zip file containing the ESP-r and CFD definition > files.Please take a look and identify the problem > > Regards > Nalin > > > It looks like the cells that you have nominated for each of the boundary > > conditions (regardless of conflation type) are defined more than once or > > not > > at all. Make sure that all the cells in each of x,y and z directions are > > only > > used once when defining your boundary conditions. > > > > If the problem persists please provide the exact text string describing > > the > > error. > > > > -Aizaz > > > > On Thursday 23 April 2009 06:16, NALIN SWAROOP wrote: > >> The problem is when I do CFD conflation with network flow and choose the > >> respective nodes it asks which node is the CFD domain and which > >> connection > >> represents the openings when I give the respective names it gives the > >> error that your cells are not compatible with the chosen face. please > >> redefine and the program stops working at that point. > >> > >> Nalin > >> > >> > Dear Nalin, > >> > > >> > yes, you must use conflation of the CFD with an air flow network. > >> > > >> > Regards > >> > Achim > >> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > >> > [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of NALIN SWAROOP > >> > Sent: Mittwoch, 22. April 2009 11:50 > >> > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > >> > Subject: [esp-r] CFD problem > >> > > >> > Hello all > >> > > >> > I have a modeled a single room with 2 opposite windows/openings I have > >> > >> to > >> > >> > give pressure inlet and pressure outlet for the first case and > >> > >> velocity > >> > >> > inlet and velocity outlet for the second case now the problem is when > >> > >> I > >> > >> > use CFD interface it asks for, in the case of pressure BCs inlet and > >> > outlet pressure and in the case of velocity BCs inlet and outlet > >> > >> velocity > >> > >> > but these are constant values and I want to run a transient case which > >> > uses the weather data file to calculate the pressure inlet and outlet > >> > >> and > >> > >> > velocity inlet and outlet boundary conditions what should I do? should > >> > use the airflow conflation with CFD. > >> > > >> > Regards > >> > > >> > Nalin > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > esp-r mailing list > >> > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > >> > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> esp-r mailing list > >> esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > >> http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > > > _______________________________________________ > > esp-r mailing list > > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Tue Apr 28 15:18:31 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:18:31 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] FW: Re: CFD problem Message-ID: <002501c9c80c$37c219c0$a7464d40$@geissler@intergga.ch> Dear Nalin, please find some more information below. Thanks Aizaz Regards Achim -----Original Message----- From: Aizaz Samuel [mailto:aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk] Sent: Dienstag, 28. April 2009 15:49 To: Achim Geissler Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: CFD problem The 3 is the air flow node number representative of the CFD domain. Programming it in for each connection was easiest that way. The number after that is the air flow connection number representative of that CFD opening type boundary condition. -Aizaz On Tuesday 28 April 2009 14:07, you wrote: > Dear Nalin > > A first glance at the files you sent seems to indicate that the conflation > with the flow network is not really done. Did you try this via prj? > > Something like the following must be in the cfd file: > > *air_flow > open1 Velocity 0.001 Temp 18.000 Hum 0.000 Area 0.000 Ang 0.000 > 0.000 3 6 open2 Velocity -0.001 Temp 18.000 Hum 0.000 Area > 0.000 Ang 0.000 0.000 3 1 > > The last numbers describe the connection with the air flow network. > However, I am not quite sure what is what. The "6" and the "1" are most > likely the corresponding connections in the air flow network. The "3" I > can't recall right now. > > Don?t give up! > > Regards > Achim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of NALIN SWAROOP Sent: > Dienstag, 28. April 2009 10:42 > To: Aizaz Samuel > Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Re: CFD problem > > Please find attached zip file containing the ESP-r and CFD definition > files.Please take a look and identify the problem > > Regards > Nalin > > > It looks like the cells that you have nominated for each of the > > boundary conditions (regardless of conflation type) are defined more > > than once or not at all. Make sure that all the cells in each of x,y > > and z directions are only used once when defining your boundary > > conditions. > > > > If the problem persists please provide the exact text string > > describing the error. > > > > -Aizaz > > > > On Thursday 23 April 2009 06:16, NALIN SWAROOP wrote: > >> The problem is when I do CFD conflation with network flow and choose > >> the respective nodes it asks which node is the CFD domain and which > >> connection represents the openings when I give the respective names > >> it gives the error that your cells are not compatible with the chosen > >> face. please redefine and the program stops working at that point. > >> > >> Nalin > >> > >> > Dear Nalin, > >> > > >> > yes, you must use conflation of the CFD with an air flow network. > >> > > >> > Regards > >> > Achim > >> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > >> > [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of NALIN > >> > SWAROOP > >> > Sent: Mittwoch, 22. April 2009 11:50 > >> > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > >> > Subject: [esp-r] CFD problem > >> > > >> > Hello all > >> > > >> > I have a modeled a single room with 2 opposite windows/openings I > >> > have > >> > >> to > >> > >> > give pressure inlet and pressure outlet for the first case and > >> > >> velocity > >> > >> > inlet and velocity outlet for the second case now the problem is > >> > when > >> > >> I > >> > >> > use CFD interface it asks for, in the case of pressure BCs inlet > >> > and outlet pressure and in the case of velocity BCs inlet and > >> > outlet > >> > >> velocity > >> > >> > but these are constant values and I want to run a transient case > >> > which uses the weather data file to calculate the pressure inlet > >> > and outlet > >> > >> and > >> > >> > velocity inlet and outlet boundary conditions what should I do? > >> > should use the airflow conflation with CFD. > >> > > >> > Regards > >> > > >> > Nalin > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > esp-r mailing list > >> > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > >> > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> esp-r mailing list > >> esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > >> http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > > > _______________________________________________ > > esp-r mailing list > > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -- Dr Aizaz A Samuel Research Fellow Department of Mechanical Engineering University of Strathclyde M324 James Weir Building 75 Montrose Street Glasgow, UK G1 1XJ T:+44 141 548 5765 F:+44 141 552 5105 From lichunying83 at gmail.com Wed Apr 29 04:33:51 2009 From: lichunying83 at gmail.com (chunying li) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:33:51 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Subject: Question about water flowing between two glazing layers. Message-ID: <1a35f1300904282033t547f9f7cud649f87a59182567@mail.gmail.com> I am modelling a layer of water flow between two glass sheets as glazing attached onto building facade. The water flow can be in single direction from a supply tank to a receiver tank. How could this simulation exercise be done with ESP-r? I cannot find the optical properties like solar absorptance and transmittance of the water layer between two glass sheets. Is there any reference available? Thank you! Chunying 2009/4/28 Jon Hand > > A recent question about water and glass.... > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of chunying li [lichunying83 at gmail.com] > Sent: 28 April 2009 09:03 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Question about water flowing between two glazing layers. > > Hello, all. > > I am doing investigation about water flowing between two layers of glazing. > Is there any related module in ESP-r? > > My problems are: > > 1,How to handle the convective heat transfer coefficient between the water > and ambient glazing when the water is flowing at different speed? > 2, The solar light will transmit the two layers of glazing and one layer of > water inside in the daytime, of course. How to ascertain the solar > absorptance and transmittance of the water layer? > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Wow, amazing things that people are thinking about. To discuss, this some > further > description would be useful: > > a) can you explain the context of this water flowing between glazing (what > is this > representing)? > > b) where, specifically, is the water flowing from and to? > > c) is it a part of an an environmental control system, or water at a fixed > inlet temperature? > > d) does it always flow in the same direction, at the same rate or every > stop flowing? > > e) how many times would this situation happen in your model - one time or > 100 times? > > f) what thermophysical information about the performance of the water and > glass is > of interest? > > We might start from the idea that water flowing between two plates will be > something > like a heat exchanger. > > -Jon Hand > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Compilation messages follow: ----------------------------------------- Compilation of disableGccFPE on Wed Apr 29 08:17:02 GMT 2009 Deleting /home/Radzio/trunk/src/lib/libfpe.a Make command: ------------- make MCTYPE=mingw MCC=gcc MCPL=g++ MFC=g77 DESTdir=/home/Radzio/trunk/gotowe ESPdir=/home/Radzio/trunk/gotowe/esp-r WWLINK=unshared EXE=.exe XINSTALLDIR= CFLAGS=-I../include -I../shocc -I/usr/local/include -I../cetc/h3kreports -DMINGW -DGTK -mwindows -mms-bitfields FFLAGS=-I../include -I../shocc -I/usr/local/include -I../cetc/h3kreports -DMINGW -DGTK -fno-automatic -finit-local-zero -mwindows -mms-bitfields LD_FLAGS=-DMINGW ULIBS=-L/home/Radzio/trunk/src/lib -L/usr/local/lib -lversion -lfpe -lgtkesru -L -lXML xml_status= -f Makefile disableGccFPE >>.make_msg 2>&1 Make output: ------------ cd `pwd`/lib; \ make the_libNoFPE make[1]: Entering directory `/home/Radzio/trunk/src/lib' ar ruv libfpe.a fpe_disable.o Usage: C:\msys\1.0\bin\ar.exe [emulation options] [-]{dmpqrstx}[abcfilNoPsSuvV] [member-name] [count] archive-file file... C:\msys\1.0\bin\ar.exe -M [ - read options from emulation options: No emulation specific options C:\msys\1.0\bin\ar.exe: supported targets: pe-i386 pei-i386 elf32-i386 elf32-little elf32-big srec symbolsrec tekhex binary ihex make[1]: *** [the_libNoFPE] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/Radzio/trunk/src/lib' make: *** [disableGccFPE] Error 2 ----------------------------------------- Install: Fatal error. Executable disableGccFPE could not be built! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090429/48990469/attachment.html From Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca Thu Apr 30 18:59:22 2009 From: Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca (Ferguson, Alex) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 13:59:22 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Re: ESP-r installation Windows XP compilation MinGW In-Reply-To: <000001c9c8ac$ca714200$5f53c600$%gorzenski@put.poznan.pl> References: <000001c9c8ac$ca714200$5f53c600$%gorzenski@put.poznan.pl> Message-ID: Hi Radek, Please sent the output of the following msys commands: uname -a ar -V - Alex ________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Radek G?rzenski Sent: April 29, 2009 05:28 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r installation Windows XP compilation MinGW Dear all, I try to compile ESP-r from source code downloaded with CollabNet SVN from 'svn checkout https://esp-r.net/espr/esp-r/trunk' on Microsoft Windows XP. (I cannot use native Windows installer because I have to change one line in source code). I use MinGW with gcc/g++/g77 The following error (bottom) appears. Any help? Best regards, Radek Gorzenski Installing ESP-r system. This may take some time. - gathering versioning information from svn... Done. - building disableGccFPE... ERROR: could not build executable disableGccFPE! Compilation messages follow: ----------------------------------------- Compilation of disableGccFPE on Wed Apr 29 08:17:02 GMT 2009 Deleting /home/Radzio/trunk/src/lib/libfpe.a Make command: ------------- make MCTYPE=mingw MCC=gcc MCPL=g++ MFC=g77 DESTdir=/home/Radzio/trunk/gotowe ESPdir=/home/Radzio/trunk/gotowe/esp-r WWLINK=unshared EXE=.exe XINSTALLDIR= CFLAGS=-I../include -I../shocc -I/usr/local/include -I../cetc/h3kreports -DMINGW -DGTK -mwindows -mms-bitfields FFLAGS=-I../include -I../shocc -I/usr/local/include -I../cetc/h3kreports -DMINGW -DGTK -fno-automatic -finit-local-zero -mwindows -mms-bitfields LD_FLAGS=-DMINGW ULIBS=-L/home/Radzio/trunk/src/lib -L/usr/local/lib -lversion -lfpe -lgtkesru -L -lXML xml_status= -f Makefile disableGccFPE >>.make_msg 2>&1 Make output: ------------ cd `pwd`/lib; \ make the_libNoFPE make[1]: Entering directory `/home/Radzio/trunk/src/lib' ar ruv libfpe.a fpe_disable.o Usage: C:\msys\1.0\bin\ar.exe [emulation options] [-]{dmpqrstx}[abcfilNoPsSuvV] [member-name] [count] archive-file file... 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090430/7decb364/attachment.html From nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in Mon May 4 07:39:29 2009 From: nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in (NALIN SWAROOP) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 12:09:29 +0530 (IST) Subject: [esp-r] Re: CFD problem In-Reply-To: <200904281531.31796.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> References: <808e52a8d62cbd53fc66d22be8256eab.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> <200904241045.26083.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> <200904281531.31796.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <29b2143dbba62dcd121a8cd3dc743d85.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> I changed the lines Open1 Whole 6 25 1 1 11 20 Open2 Whole 6 25 25 25 11 20 to: Open1 South 6 25 1 1 11 20 Open2 North 6 25 25 25 11 20 and now grid error is not coming but still I am not able to do the CFD and air flow network conflation every time I try to define the boundary condition for open1 or open2 and choose the connections from network flow it gives the error that "cells are not compatible with chosen face please redefine" Please help Nalin > Nalin, > > In the cfd file change the following lines: > Open1 Whole 6 25 1 1 11 20 > Open2 Whole 6 25 25 25 11 20 > > to: > Open1 South 6 25 1 1 11 20 > Open2 North 6 25 25 25 11 20 > > and you will get rid of the warnings. The grid checker thinks that open1 > and > open2 are representative of the whole domain in the top version and > otherwise > in the bottom version. > > These warnings come from the grid checking subroutine and are not linked > to > conflation at all. > > Further to your query, you need a static value of boundary condition > (pressure > or velocity) when defining the CFD data. These values are stored in the > file > and are used during standalone (unconflated) CFD runs. When you choose > conflation these values will not be used but values calculated for each > time > step will be used instead. > > Hope that helps, > > Aizaz > > > On Tuesday 28 April 2009 09:41, NALIN SWAROOP wrote: >> Please find attached zip file containing the ESP-r and CFD definition >> files.Please take a look and identify the problem >> >> Regards >> Nalin >> >> > It looks like the cells that you have nominated for each of the >> boundary >> > conditions (regardless of conflation type) are defined more than once >> or >> > not >> > at all. Make sure that all the cells in each of x,y and z directions >> are >> > only >> > used once when defining your boundary conditions. >> > >> > If the problem persists please provide the exact text string >> describing >> > the >> > error. >> > >> > -Aizaz >> > >> > On Thursday 23 April 2009 06:16, NALIN SWAROOP wrote: >> >> The problem is when I do CFD conflation with network flow and choose >> the >> >> respective nodes it asks which node is the CFD domain and which >> >> connection >> >> represents the openings when I give the respective names it gives the >> >> error that your cells are not compatible with the chosen face. please >> >> redefine and the program stops working at that point. >> >> >> >> Nalin >> >> >> >> > Dear Nalin, >> >> > >> >> > yes, you must use conflation of the CFD with an air flow network. >> >> > >> >> > Regards >> >> > Achim >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> >> > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk >> >> > [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of NALIN >> SWAROOP >> >> > Sent: Mittwoch, 22. April 2009 11:50 >> >> > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> >> > Subject: [esp-r] CFD problem >> >> > >> >> > Hello all >> >> > >> >> > I have a modeled a single room with 2 opposite windows/openings I >> have >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> > give pressure inlet and pressure outlet for the first case and >> >> >> >> velocity >> >> >> >> > inlet and velocity outlet for the second case now the problem is >> when >> >> >> >> I >> >> >> >> > use CFD interface it asks for, in the case of pressure BCs inlet >> and >> >> > outlet pressure and in the case of velocity BCs inlet and outlet >> >> >> >> velocity >> >> >> >> > but these are constant values and I want to run a transient case >> which >> >> > uses the weather data file to calculate the pressure inlet and >> outlet >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> > velocity inlet and outlet boundary conditions what should I do? >> should >> >> > use the airflow conflation with CFD. >> >> > >> >> > Regards >> >> > >> >> > Nalin >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > esp-r mailing list >> >> > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> >> > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> esp-r mailing list >> >> esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > esp-r mailing list >> > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > From monika.hall at fhnw.ch Mon May 4 08:40:27 2009 From: monika.hall at fhnw.ch (Hall,Monika) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 09:40:27 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: CFD problem In-Reply-To: <29b2143dbba62dcd121a8cd3dc743d85.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> References: <808e52a8d62cbd53fc66d22be8256eab.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> <200904241045.26083.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> <200904281531.31796.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> <29b2143dbba62dcd121a8cd3dc743d85.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> Message-ID: <2E69B53CF81E2A43988A841A5B26799493AD8034D4@MXAMU12.adm.ds.fhnw.ch> Dear Nalin, Did you have tried a conflation of the walls like that? # Solid boundary conditions. *solids Wall3 Temp 25.00 | Confl 4 wallx Wall4 Temp 25.00 | Confl 3 wally Wall5 Temp 25.00 | Confl 11 wallz The walls created in cfd must related to the walls in the zone-model: p.e. wallx, wally and wallz But I don`t know what are the numbers 4, 3, 11 for. Regards Monika -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von NALIN SWAROOP Gesendet: Montag, 4. Mai 2009 08:39 An: Aizaz Samuel Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: [esp-r] Re: CFD problem I changed the lines Open1 Whole 6 25 1 1 11 20 Open2 Whole 6 25 25 25 11 20 to: Open1 South 6 25 1 1 11 20 Open2 North 6 25 25 25 11 20 and now grid error is not coming but still I am not able to do the CFD and air flow network conflation every time I try to define the boundary condition for open1 or open2 and choose the connections from network flow it gives the error that "cells are not compatible with chosen face please redefine" Please help Nalin > Nalin, > > In the cfd file change the following lines: > Open1 Whole 6 25 1 1 11 20 > Open2 Whole 6 25 25 25 11 20 > > to: > Open1 South 6 25 1 1 11 20 > Open2 North 6 25 25 25 11 20 > > and you will get rid of the warnings. The grid checker thinks that > open1 and > open2 are representative of the whole domain in the top version and > otherwise in the bottom version. > > These warnings come from the grid checking subroutine and are not > linked to conflation at all. > > Further to your query, you need a static value of boundary condition > (pressure or velocity) when defining the CFD data. These values are > stored in the file and are used during standalone (unconflated) CFD > runs. When you choose conflation these values will not be used but > values calculated for each time step will be used instead. > > Hope that helps, > > Aizaz > > > On Tuesday 28 April 2009 09:41, NALIN SWAROOP wrote: >> Please find attached zip file containing the ESP-r and CFD definition >> files.Please take a look and identify the problem >> >> Regards >> Nalin >> >> > It looks like the cells that you have nominated for each of the >> boundary >> > conditions (regardless of conflation type) are defined more than >> > once >> or >> > not >> > at all. Make sure that all the cells in each of x,y and z >> > directions >> are >> > only >> > used once when defining your boundary conditions. >> > >> > If the problem persists please provide the exact text string >> describing >> > the >> > error. >> > >> > -Aizaz >> > >> > On Thursday 23 April 2009 06:16, NALIN SWAROOP wrote: >> >> The problem is when I do CFD conflation with network flow and >> >> choose >> the >> >> respective nodes it asks which node is the CFD domain and which >> >> connection represents the openings when I give the respective >> >> names it gives the error that your cells are not compatible with >> >> the chosen face. please redefine and the program stops working at >> >> that point. >> >> >> >> Nalin >> >> >> >> > Dear Nalin, >> >> > >> >> > yes, you must use conflation of the CFD with an air flow network. >> >> > >> >> > Regards >> >> > Achim >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> >> > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk >> >> > [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of NALIN >> SWAROOP >> >> > Sent: Mittwoch, 22. April 2009 11:50 >> >> > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> >> > Subject: [esp-r] CFD problem >> >> > >> >> > Hello all >> >> > >> >> > I have a modeled a single room with 2 opposite windows/openings >> >> > I >> have >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> > give pressure inlet and pressure outlet for the first case and >> >> >> >> velocity >> >> >> >> > inlet and velocity outlet for the second case now the problem is >> when >> >> >> >> I >> >> >> >> > use CFD interface it asks for, in the case of pressure BCs inlet >> and >> >> > outlet pressure and in the case of velocity BCs inlet and outlet >> >> >> >> velocity >> >> >> >> > but these are constant values and I want to run a transient case >> which >> >> > uses the weather data file to calculate the pressure inlet and >> outlet >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> > velocity inlet and outlet boundary conditions what should I do? >> should >> >> > use the airflow conflation with CFD. >> >> > >> >> > Regards >> >> > >> >> > Nalin >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > esp-r mailing list >> >> > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> >> > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> esp-r mailing list >> >> esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > esp-r mailing list >> > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in Mon May 4 11:20:47 2009 From: nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in (NALIN SWAROOP) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 15:50:47 +0530 (IST) Subject: [esp-r] Re: CFD problem In-Reply-To: <2E69B53CF81E2A43988A841A5B26799493AD8034D4@MXAMU12.adm.ds.fhnw.ch> References: <808e52a8d62cbd53fc66d22be8256eab.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> <200904241045.26083.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> <200904281531.31796.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> <29b2143dbba62dcd121a8cd3dc743d85.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> <2E69B53CF81E2A43988A841A5B26799493AD8034D4@MXAMU12.adm.ds.fhnw.ch> Message-ID: <3b0b4c9cd08b7ac8d4a48005c5e85039.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> Dear Monika The problem is not with the walls, I have conflated the CFD defined walls with the construction Walls and it works fine but if I try to conflate the openings with the network flow connection it gives the error "cells are not compatible with chosen face please redefine" I have again attached the CFD definition file the lines which define the airflow are not changed because ESP-r gives the above mentioned error. Regards Nalin > Dear Nalin, > > Did you have tried a conflation of the walls like that? > > # Solid boundary conditions. > *solids > Wall3 Temp 25.00 | Confl 4 wallx > Wall4 Temp 25.00 | Confl 3 wally > Wall5 Temp 25.00 | Confl 11 wallz > > > The walls created in cfd must related to the walls in the zone-model: p.e. > wallx, wally and wallz > But I don`t know what are the numbers 4, 3, 11 for. > > Regards > Monika > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von NALIN SWAROOP > Gesendet: Montag, 4. Mai 2009 08:39 > An: Aizaz Samuel > Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Betreff: [esp-r] Re: CFD problem > > I changed the lines > > Open1 Whole 6 25 1 1 11 20 > Open2 Whole 6 25 25 25 11 20 > to: > Open1 South 6 25 1 1 11 20 > Open2 North 6 25 25 25 11 20 > > and now grid error is not coming but still I am not able to do the CFD and > air flow network conflation every time I try to define the boundary > condition for open1 or open2 and choose the connections from network flow > it gives the error that "cells are not compatible with chosen face please > redefine" > > Please help > > Nalin > > > > > > > > > > >> Nalin, >> >> In the cfd file change the following lines: >> Open1 Whole 6 25 1 1 11 20 >> Open2 Whole 6 25 25 25 11 20 >> >> to: >> Open1 South 6 25 1 1 11 20 >> Open2 %2 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: aircfd Type: application/octet-stream Size: 2633 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090504/eef87972/attachment.obj From monika.hall at fhnw.ch Mon May 4 12:26:57 2009 From: monika.hall at fhnw.ch (Hall,Monika) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 13:26:57 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: CFD problem In-Reply-To: <3b0b4c9cd08b7ac8d4a48005c5e85039.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> References: <808e52a8d62cbd53fc66d22be8256eab.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> <200904241045.26083.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> <200904281531.31796.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> <29b2143dbba62dcd121a8cd3dc743d85.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> <2E69B53CF81E2A43988A841A5B26799493AD8034D4@MXAMU12.adm.ds.fhnw.ch> <3b0b4c9cd08b7ac8d4a48005c5e85039.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> Message-ID: <2E69B53CF81E2A43988A841A5B26799493AD8035D8@MXAMU12.adm.ds.fhnw.ch> Dear Nalin, In your file the cfd is not connected to the air flow net, because after the pressure 1.52/0.00 there is no corresponding connection to the air flow net. Maybe you need to set the pressure in the air flow net and use the cfd only for a better calculation and to make "coloured" pictures. I sent you an old cfd-file. This file was working, but the controls were set in the afn/plt file (fan on/off and temperature of the inlet air). I used the cfd for making "coloured" pictures (distribution for air temperature and air velocity). Unfortunately I did not write down what I have done. The numbers 3,4,11 are the conflation types: turbulence model, handshaking or not, etc. This is the way cfd correspons with the thermal zone. You will find the models in a paper of Ian Beausoleil-Morrison (table 1): http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V2V-45VCJM3-6&_user=6562768&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000070066&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=6562768&md5=6f032decf834621b14376615c8977ba9 What is what you have to find out of you own. As I remember, you can't combinate each type with each type. I do not know if there is a conflation type 0. Regards Monika -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: NALIN SWAROOP [mailto:nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in] Gesendet: Montag, 4. Mai 2009 12:21 An: Hall,Monika Cc: Aizaz Samuel; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: Re: [esp-r] Re: CFD problem Dear Monika The problem is not with the walls, I have conflated the CFD defined walls with the construction Walls and it works fine but if I try to conflate the openings with the network flow connection it gives the error "cells are not compatible with chosen face please redefine" I have again attached the CFD definition file the lines which define the airflow are not changed because ESP-r gives the above mentioned error. Regards Nalin > Dear Nalin, > > Did you have tried a conflation of the walls like that? > > # Solid boundary conditions. > *solids > Wall3 Temp 25.00 | Confl 4 wallx > Wall4 Temp 25.00 | Confl 3 wally > Wall5 Temp 25.00 | Confl 11 wallz > > > The walls created in cfd must related to the walls in the zone-model: p.e. > wallx, wally and wallz > But I don`t know what are the numbers 4, 3, 11 for. > > Regards > Monika > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von NALIN SWAROOP > Gesendet: Montag, 4. Mai 2009 08:39 > An: Aizaz Samuel > Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Betreff: [esp-r] Re: CFD problem > > I changed the lines > > Open1 Whole 6 25 1 1 11 20 > Open2 Whole 6 25 25 25 11 20 > to: > Open1 South 6 25 1 1 11 20 > Open2 North 6 25 25 25 11 20 > > and now grid error is not coming but still I am not able to do the CFD > and air flow network conflation every time I try to define the > boundary condition for open1 or open2 and choose the connections from > network flow it gives the error that "cells are not compatible with > chosen face please redefine" > > Please help > > Nalin > > > > > > > > > > >> Nalin, >> >> In the cfd file change the following lines: >> Open1 Whole 6 25 1 1 11 20 >> Open2 Whole 6 25 25 25 11 20 >> >> to: >> Open1 South 6 25 1 1 11 20 >> Open2 %2 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Raum_cfd.dfd Type: application/octet-stream Size: 3024 bytes Desc: Raum_cfd.dfd Url : http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090504/c1023f15/attachment-0001.obj From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Tue May 5 12:15:49 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:15:49 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: CFD problem In-Reply-To: <3b0b4c9cd08b7ac8d4a48005c5e85039.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> References: <808e52a8d62cbd53fc66d22be8256eab.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> <200904241045.26083.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> <200904281531.31796.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> <29b2143dbba62dcd121a8cd3dc743d85.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> <2E69B53CF81E2A43988A841A5B26799493AD8034D4@MXAMU12.adm.ds.fhnw.ch> <3b0b4c9cd08b7ac8d4a48005c5e85039.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> Message-ID: <000701c9cd72$d9e29200$8da7b600$@geissler@intergga.ch> Dear Nalin attached is your model in a configuration in which the air flow network to CFD conflation seems to be working (the thermal conflation is giving "Error: Invalid BC type" warnings, though). However, as you, I had the error messages you give. Additionally, prj hung at the message. A look at the source seems to imply that this message should not really happen at this point and should surely not hang prj. Maybe somebody on the list that has programmed in the CFD module can take a look. The CFD is quite finicky in regard to convergence. At the beginning of the run, you may have to accept unconverged solutions as converged a few times. Having the large openings open to the exterior also leads to problems every few hours. The entry for air flow network conflation in the .dfs file was done by hand. Best regards Achim -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of NALIN SWAROOP Sent: Montag, 4. Mai 2009 12:21 To: Hall,Monika Cc: Aizaz Samuel; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: CFD problem Dear Monika The problem is not with the walls, I have conflated the CFD defined walls with the construction Walls and it works fine but if I try to conflate the openings with the network flow connection it gives the error "cells are not compatible with chosen face please redefine" I have again attached the CFD definition file the lines which define the airflow are not changed because ESP-r gives the above mentioned error. Regards Nalin > Dear Nalin, > > Did you have tried a conflation of the walls like that? > > # Solid boundary conditions. > *solids > Wall3 Temp 25.00 | Confl 4 wallx > Wall4 Temp 25.00 | Confl 3 wally > Wall5 Temp 25.00 | Confl 11 wallz > > > The walls created in cfd must related to the walls in the zone-model: p.e. > wallx, wally and wallz > But I don`t know what are the numbers 4, 3, 11 for. > > Regards > Monika > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von NALIN SWAROOP > Gesendet: Montag, 4. Mai 2009 08:39 > An: Aizaz Samuel > Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Betreff: [esp-r] Re: CFD problem > > I changed the lines > > Open1 Whole 6 25 1 1 11 20 > Open2 Whole 6 25 25 25 11 20 > to: > Open1 South 6 25 1 1 11 20 > Open2 North 6 25 25 25 11 20 > > and now grid error is not coming but still I am not able to do the CFD > and air flow network conflation every time I try to define the > boundary condition for open1 or open2 and choose the connections from > network flow it gives the error that "cells are not compatible with > chosen face please redefine" > > Please help > > Nalin > > > > > > > > > > >> Nalin, >> >> In the cfd file change the following lines: >> Open1 Whole 6 25 1 1 11 20 >> Open2 Whole 6 25 25 25 11 20 >> >> to: >> Open1 South 6 25 1 1 11 20 >> Open2 %2 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Aizaz On Monday 04 May 2009 11:20, NALIN SWAROOP wrote: > Dear Monika > > The problem is not with the walls, I have conflated the CFD defined walls > with the construction Walls and it works fine but if I try to conflate the > openings with the network flow connection it gives the error "cells are > not compatible with chosen face please redefine" I have again attached the > CFD definition file the lines which define the airflow are not changed > because ESP-r gives the above mentioned error. > > Regards > > Nalin > > > Dear Nalin, > > > > Did you have tried a conflation of the walls like that? > > > > # Solid boundary conditions. > > *solids > > Wall3 Temp 25.00 | Confl 4 wallx > > Wall4 Temp 25.00 | Confl 3 wally > > Wall5 Temp 25.00 | Confl 11 wallz > > > > > > The walls created in cfd must related to the walls in the zone-model: > > p.e. wallx, wally and wallz > > But I don`t know what are the numbers 4, 3, 11 for. > > > > Regards > > Monika > > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > > [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von NALIN SWAROOP > > Gesendet: Montag, 4. Mai 2009 08:39 > > An: Aizaz Samuel > > Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > Betreff: [esp-r] Re: CFD problem > > > > I changed the lines > > > > Open1 Whole 6 25 1 1 11 20 > > Open2 Whole 6 25 25 25 11 20 > > to: > > Open1 South 6 25 1 1 11 20 > > Open2 North 6 25 25 25 11 20 > > > > and now grid error is not coming but still I am not able to do the CFD > > and air flow network conflation every time I try to define the boundary > > condition for open1 or open2 and choose the connections from network flow > > it gives the error that "cells are not compatible with chosen face please > > redefine" > > > > Please help > > > > Nalin > > > >> Nalin, > >> > >> In the cfd file change the following lines: > >> Open1 Whole 6 25 1 1 11 20 > >> Open2 Whole 6 25 25 25 11 20 > >> > >> to: > >> Open1 South 6 25 1 1 11 20 > >> Open2 %2 ------------------------------------------------------- -- Dr Aizaz A Samuel Research Fellow Department of Mechanical Engineering University of Strathclyde M324 James Weir Building 75 Montrose Street Glasgow, UK G1 1XJ T:+44 141 548 5765 F:+44 141 552 5105 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It has now been fixed and should soon be > available in the next release. In the meantime change your boundaries so > that > the openings are not in the south and north face but in the east and west > face of the CFD grid, or replace your source file esruprj/edcfd.F by the > attached and recompile. > > Regards, > Aizaz > > On Monday 04 May 2009 11:20, NALIN SWAROOP wrote: >> Dear Monika >> >> The problem is not with the walls, I have conflated the CFD defined >> walls >> with the construction Walls and it works fine but if I try to conflate >> the >> openings with the network flow connection it gives the error "cells are >> not compatible with chosen face please redefine" I have again attached >> the >> CFD definition file the lines which define the airflow are not changed >> because ESP-r gives the above mentioned error. >> >> Regards >> >> Nalin >> >> > Dear Nalin, >> > >> > Did you have tried a conflation of the walls like that? >> > >> > # Solid boundary conditions. >> > *solids >> > Wall3 Temp 25.00 | Confl 4 wallx >> > Wall4 Temp 25.00 | Confl 3 wally >> > Wall5 Temp 25.00 | Confl 11 wallz >> > >> > >> > The walls created in cfd must related to the walls in the zone-model: >> > p.e. wallx, wally and wallz >> > But I don`t know what are the numbers 4, 3, 11 for. >> > >> > Regards >> > Monika >> > >> > >> > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >> > Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk >> > [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von NALIN SWAROOP >> > Gesendet: Montag, 4. Mai 2009 08:39 >> > An: Aizaz Samuel >> > Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> > Betreff: [esp-r] Re: CFD problem >> > >> > I changed the lines >> > >> > Open1 Whole 6 25 1 1 11 20 >> > Open2 Whole 6 25 25 25 11 20 >> > to: >> > Open1 South 6 25 1 1 11 20 >> > Open2 North 6 25 25 25 11 20 >> > >> > and now grid error is not coming but still I am not able to do the CFD >> > and air flow network conflation every time I try to define the >> boundary >> > condition for open1 or open2 and choose the connections from network >> flow >> > it gives the error that "cells are not compatible with chosen face >> please >> > redefine" >> > >> > Please help >> > >> > Nalin >> > >> >> Nalin, >> >> >> >> In the cfd file change the following lines: >> >> Open1 Whole 6 25 1 1 11 20 >> >> Open2 Whole 6 25 25 25 11 20 >> >> >> >> to: >> >> Open1 South 6 25 1 1 11 20 >> >> Open2 %2 > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > Dr Aizaz A Samuel > Research Fellow > Department of Mechanical Engineering > University of Strathclyde > M324 James Weir Building > 75 Montrose Street > Glasgow, UK > G1 1XJ > > T:+44 141 548 5765 > F:+44 141 552 5105 > From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Wed May 6 11:57:52 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 12:57:52 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: CFD problem In-Reply-To: References: <808e52a8d62cbd53fc66d22be8256eab.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> <200904241045.26083.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> <200904281531.31796.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> <29b2143dbba62dcd121a8cd3dc743d85.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> <2E69B53CF81E2A43988A841A5B26799493AD8034D4@MXAMU12.adm.ds.fhnw.ch> <3b0b4c9cd08b7ac8d4a48005c5e85039.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> <000701c9cd72$d9e29200$8da7b600$@geissler@intergga.ch> Message-ID: <000601c9ce39$819cbb80$84d63280$@geissler@intergga.ch> Dear Nalin "standalone" and "conflation with air flow network" are, I think, mutually exclusive. Regards Achim -----Original Message----- From: NALIN SWAROOP [mailto:nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in] Sent: Mittwoch, 6. Mai 2009 12:45 To: Achim Geissler Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: [esp-r] Re: CFD problem Dear Achim The CFD definition file that you have sent me is not running in the standalone esp-r/cfd simulator(dfs module).and is giveing the error that connections are not found and conflated network with 0 nodes 0 connections and 0 components will be used. prj still hangs if I try to do any editing. Sincerely Nalin > Dear Nalin > > attached is your model in a configuration in which the air flow network to > CFD conflation seems to be working (the thermal conflation is giving > "Error: Invalid BC type" warnings, though). However, as you, I had the > error messages you give. Additionally, prj hung at the message. A look at > the source seems to imply that this message should not really happen at > this point and should surely not hang prj. Maybe somebody on the list that > has programmed in the CFD module can take a look. > > The CFD is quite finicky in regard to convergence. At the beginning of the > run, you may have to accept unconverged solutions as converged a few > times. Having the large openings open to the exterior also leads to > problems every few hours. > > The entry for air flow network conflation in the .dfs file was done by > hand. > > Best regards > Achim > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of NALIN SWAROOP > Sent: Montag, 4. Mai 2009 12:21 > To: Hall,Monika > Cc: Aizaz Samuel; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Re: CFD problem > > Dear Monika > > The problem is not with the walls, I have conflated the CFD defined walls > with the construction Walls and it works fine but if I try to conflate the > openings with the network flow connection it gives the error "cells are > not compatible with chosen face please redefine" I have again attached the > CFD definition file the lines which define the airflow are not changed > because ESP-r gives the above mentioned error. > > Regards > > Nalin > > > > > > > >> Dear Nalin, >> >> Did you have tried a conflation of the walls like that? >> >> # Solid boundary conditions. >> *solids >> Wall3 Temp 25.00 | Confl 4 wallx >> Wall4 Temp 25.00 | Confl 3 wally >> Wall5 Temp 25.00 | Confl 11 wallz >> >> >> The walls created in cfd must related to the walls in the zone-model: >> p.e. >> wallx, wally and wallz >> But I don`t know what are the numbers 4, 3, 11 for. >> >> Regards >> Monika >> >> >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk >> [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von NALIN SWAROOP >> Gesendet: Montag, 4. Mai 2009 08:39 >> An: Aizaz Samuel >> Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> Betreff: [esp-r] Re: CFD problem >> >> I changed the lines >> >> Open1 Whole 6 25 1 1 11 20 >> Open2 Whole 6 25 25 25 11 20 >> to: >> Open1 South 6 25 1 1 11 20 >> Open2 North 6 25 25 25 11 20 >> >> and now grid error is not coming but still I am not able to do the CFD >> and air flow network conflation every time I try to define the >> boundary condition for open1 or open2 and choose the connections from >> network flow it gives the error that "cells are not compatible with >> chosen face please redefine" >> >> Please help >> >> Nalin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Nalin, >>> >>> In the cfd file change the following lines: >>> Open1 Whole 6 25 1 1 11 20 >>> Open2 Whole 6 25 25 25 11 20 >>> >>> to: >>> Open1 South 6 25 1 1 11 20 >>> Open2 %2 > From nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in Wed May 6 11:44:58 2009 From: nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in (NALIN SWAROOP) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 16:14:58 +0530 (IST) Subject: [esp-r] Re: CFD problem In-Reply-To: <000701c9cd72$d9e29200$8da7b600$@geissler@intergga.ch> References: <808e52a8d62cbd53fc66d22be8256eab.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> <200904241045.26083.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> <200904281531.31796.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> <29b2143dbba62dcd121a8cd3dc743d85.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> <2E69B53CF81E2A43988A841A5B26799493AD8034D4@MXAMU12.adm.ds.fhnw.ch> <3b0b4c9cd08b7ac8d4a48005c5e85039.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> <000701c9cd72$d9e29200$8da7b600$@geissler@intergga.ch> Message-ID: Dear Achim The CFD definition file that you have sent me is not running in the standalone esp-r/cfd simulator(dfs module).and is giveing the error that connections are not found and conflated network with 0 nodes 0 connections and 0 components will be used. prj still hangs if I try to do any editing. Sincerely Nalin > Dear Nalin > > attached is your model in a configuration in which the air flow network to > CFD conflation seems to be working (the thermal conflation is giving > "Error: Invalid BC type" warnings, though). However, as you, I had the > error messages you give. Additionally, prj hung at the message. A look at > the source seems to imply that this message should not really happen at > this point and should surely not hang prj. Maybe somebody on the list that > has programmed in the CFD module can take a look. > > The CFD is quite finicky in regard to convergence. At the beginning of the > run, you may have to accept unconverged solutions as converged a few > times. Having the large openings open to the exterior also leads to > problems every few hours. > > The entry for air flow network conflation in the .dfs file was done by > hand. > > Best regards > Achim > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of NALIN SWAROOP > Sent: Montag, 4. Mai 2009 12:21 > To: Hall,Monika > Cc: Aizaz Samuel; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Re: CFD problem > > Dear Monika > > The problem is not with the walls, I have conflated the CFD defined walls > with the construction Walls and it works fine but if I try to conflate the > openings with the network flow connection it gives the error "cells are > not compatible with chosen face please redefine" I have again attached the > CFD definition file the lines which define the airflow are not changed > because ESP-r gives the above mentioned error. > > Regards > > Nalin > > > > > > > >> Dear Nalin, >> >> Did you have tried a conflation of the walls like that? >> >> # Solid boundary conditions. >> *solids >> Wall3 Temp 25.00 | Confl 4 wallx >> Wall4 Temp 25.00 | Confl 3 wally >> Wall5 Temp 25.00 | Confl 11 wallz >> >> >> The walls created in cfd must related to the walls in the zone-model: >> p.e. >> wallx, wally and wallz >> But I don`t know what are the numbers 4, 3, 11 for. >> >> Regards >> Monika >> >> >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk >> [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von NALIN SWAROOP >> Gesendet: Montag, 4. Mai 2009 08:39 >> An: Aizaz Samuel >> Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> Betreff: [esp-r] Re: CFD problem >> >> I changed the lines >> >> Open1 Whole 6 25 1 1 11 20 >> Open2 Whole 6 25 25 25 11 20 >> to: >> Open1 South 6 25 1 1 11 20 >> Open2 North 6 25 25 25 11 20 >> >> and now grid error is not coming but still I am not able to do the CFD >> and air flow network conflation every time I try to define the >> boundary condition for open1 or open2 and choose the connections from >> network flow it gives the error that "cells are not compatible with >> chosen face please redefine" >> >> Please help >> >> Nalin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Nalin, >>> >>> In the cfd file change the following lines: >>> Open1 Whole 6 25 1 1 11 20 >>> Open2 Whole 6 25 25 25 11 20 >>> >>> to: >>> Open1 South 6 25 1 1 11 20 >>> Open2 %2 > From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu May 7 15:09:18 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 15:09:18 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Updated instructions for users and developers of ESP-r on Linux Ubuntu and Ubuntu on virtual machines Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4132A1EC83624@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> ESRU has quite a few questions about setting up Linux computers as well as setting up virtual Linux computers on Windows machine. Having setup several machines recently ESRU created a guide for those who are thinking about setting up ESP-r on a computer. You can find this on the download page of the ESRU web site: "Setting up Ubuntu Linux computers or virtual disks for using or developing ESP-r" Enjoy the document and if you have comments and suggestions please let us know so we can make the next version even better. -Jon Hand From paul at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri May 8 10:46:05 2009 From: paul at esru.strath.ac.uk (Paul Strachan) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 10:46:05 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r courses Message-ID: <4A03FF5D.3030909@esru.strath.ac.uk> For information, there will be a 2-day ESP-r introductory course in Glasgow on 4-5 June. In addition there will be a 1.5 day introductory course and a 1 day course on flow networks immediately following the Building Simulation 2009 conference in Glasgow at the end of July. Details are on the website: www.esru.strath.ac.uk/training.htm Regards Paul From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri May 8 14:19:40 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 14:19:40 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r is going to be simulating much faster now for larger models! Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4132A1EC83634@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> I just completed some testing of ESP-r on a 71 zone model and it took about 15 minutes to do an annual simulation at save level 6 and 20 startup days and 15 minute timestep (save level 6 generates a monthly summary so run that would generate a full binary results file will take longer). This same model took ~2 hours a few weeks ago. My computer is an older 1.6GHZ AMD box so it is what most people would call slow. The recent patch made by the folk in Ottawa seems to have made a considerable difference! BRAVO. The next release is going to be much more productive! Regards, Jon Hand From ordoumpozanis at gmail.com Sat May 9 09:12:38 2009 From: ordoumpozanis at gmail.com (kostas ordoumpozanis) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 11:12:38 +0300 Subject: [esp-r] esp-r problem instaling on 64bit ubuntu Message-ID: hi i am trying to install esp-r on a ubuntu 9.014. butt having problem with the libs. have anyone managed to install it on a 64bit platform ? thank you -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090509/f34094a1/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon May 11 08:17:21 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 08:17:21 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: esp-r problem instaling on 64bit ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4132A1EC83640@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A reminder - statements in the form of "having problem with the libs" are difficult to respond to. It works better if additional information is provided e.g. "compiler gave a error when linking libxyz..." or an extract from the error message itself and the command that was given which resulted in the error. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of kostas ordoumpozanis [ordoumpozanis at gmail.com] Sent: 09 May 2009 09:12 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] esp-r problem instaling on 64bit ubuntu hi i am trying to install esp-r on a ubuntu 9.014. butt having problem with the libs. have anyone managed to install it on a 64bit platform ? thank you From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue May 12 18:56:55 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 18:56:55 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] test Native Windows version of ESP-r at revision 4255 available for testing Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4132A1EC8364F@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> I have just compiled a native windows version of ESP-r (development_branch at 4255) within a new development environment which uses newer graphics library versions and fresh compilers. I have tested it on a couple of machines and in preparation for incorporating the final changes for version 11.7 I need to see if this production environment works. If you can test the Installer and open up a few models (exemplars or your own modes) and let me know < jon at esru.strath.ac.uk>: a) issues with the Installer b) issues with an ESP-r module c) what version of Windows you were testing on Usual warnings apply - back up any existing version and model that you test ;-) Regards, Jon Hand From nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in Fri May 15 12:05:13 2009 From: nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in (NALIN SWAROOP) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 16:35:13 +0530 (IST) Subject: [esp-r] Re: Fwd: Re: Re: CFD problem In-Reply-To: <200905141108.23328.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> References: <200905061134.56064.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> <200905061240.49325.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> <7496652974b294e04f7d025b8f1b8b28.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> <200905141108.23328.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: Dear Aizaz when I type the following on the terminal sudo svn co https://esp-r.net/espr/esp-r/branches/development_branch The following error comes up svn: OPTIONS of 'https://esp-r.net/espr/esp-r/branches/development_branch': could not connect to server (https://esp-r.net) I have set the proxy settings correctly but still it is not able to download the source code Regards Nalin > Nalin, > > install the following from ubuntu synaptic package manager > - build essential > - gcc > - gfortran > this should ensure that you have an adequate compilation environment. > > It is a good idea to spend a day or so reading a good book describing the > UNIX > shell and some elementary commands. > > 1. Once you get the source replace the file edcfd.F with the one I > attached > earlier and try to compile. The way to get the source and compile is as > follows (on the command line): > > svn https://esp-r.net/espr/esp-r/branches/development_branch > > this will download the source code onto your hard disk into a folder > called > development_branch. > > 2. Change directory to this folders source directory via > > cd development_branch/src > > 3. once here you invoke the installation script to install and compile > ESP-r. > This is done by the command > > ./Install > > most probably you will be using Linux and X11 graphics environment without > xml > support (answers to questions you will encounter when running the install > script) > > 4. You will be asked to make sure there is a /usr/esru directory to which > you > can install. This is a default and you can change it using the -d switch > > Typing ./Install -h should give you a good handle on the various options > (switches) you can use (understand the options using the good book on > UNIX). > > Once all this is done you should be able to install ESP-r. Once ESP-r is > installed replace the file edcfd.F and re install the whole thing > > There are many variations to installation and other options it is better > to > either become better acquainted with general installation patterns for > open > source multiplatform software or get some one to install it for you. The > following url gives a slightly different variant > http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/Programs/ESP-r_install.htm > > A better document on all the above has been created by a colleague of mine > which is exactly suited to your needs. you can access at > http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/Downloads/downloads.htm#Linux > from this document leave out the bits to do with virtual machines and OSX > but > pay special attention to software needed to develop ESP-r and setting up > account and folders > > -A > > > On Thursday 14 May 2009 09:49, you wrote: >> I have installed the subversion from the ESP-r central, now what should >> I >> do? The file edCFD.F when compiled will give what kind of file? and >> where >> should I copy it?I am using the Learnix/Ubuntu based installation. >> >> >> When I try to compile using gcc it gives me the following error >> >> ankurgahlot at ubuntu:~/Desktop$ gcc edcfd.F >> >> geometry.h:5.1: >> Included at edcfd.F:57: >> >> > 1 >> Error: Non-numeric character in statement label at (1) >> geometry.h:6.1: >> Included at edcfd.F:57: >> >> "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> >> 1 >> Error: Non-numeric character in statement label at (1) >> geometry.h:6.1: >> Included at edcfd.F:57: >> >> "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> >> 1 >> Error: Unclassifiable statement at (1) >> geometry.h:7.1: >> Included at edcfd.F:57: >> >> >> 1 >> Error: Non-numeric character in statement label at (1) >> geometry.h:7.14: >> Included at edcfd.F:57: >> >> >> 1 >> Error: Empty set of digits in BOZ constant at (1) >> geometry.h:8.1: >> Included at edcfd.F:57: >> >> >> 1 >> Error: Non-numeric character in statement label at (1) >> geometry.h:9.1: >> Included at edcfd.F:57: >> >> >> 1 >> Error: Non-numeric character in statement label at (1) >> geometry.h:9.1: >> Included at edcfd.F:57: >> >> >> 1 >> Error: Unclassifiable statement at (1) >> geometry.h:10.1: >> Included at edcfd.F:57: >> >> [esp-r] Log of /branches/Jon_Hand/src/include/geometry.h >> 1 >> Error: Non-numeric character in statement label at (1) >> geometry.h:10.1: >> Included at edcfd.F:57: >> >> [esp-r] Log of /branches/Jon_Hand/src/include/geometry.h >> 1 >> Error: Unclassifiable statement at (1) >> geometry.h:11.1: >> Included at edcfd.F:57: >> >> >> 1 >> Error: Non-numeric character in statement label at (1) >> geometry.h:11.1: >> Included at edcfd.F:57: >> >> >> 1 >> Error: Unclassifiable statement at (1) >> geometry.h:12.1: >> Included at edcfd.F:57: >> >> >> 1 >> Error: Non-numeric character in statement label at (1) >> geometry.h:16.26: >> Included at edcfd.F:57: >> >>
>> 1 >> Error: Syntax error in expression at (1) >> geometry.h:18.1: >> Included at edcfd.F:57: >> >>
>> 1 >> Error: Non-numeric character in statement label at (1) >> geometry.h:18.1: >> Included at edcfd.F:57: >> >> >> 1 >> Error: Unclassifiable statement at (1) >> geometry.h:20.1: >> Included at edcfd.F:57: >> >> >> 1 >> Error: Non-numeric character in statement label at (1) >> geometry.h:20.30: >> Included at edcfd.F:57: >> >>
>> 1 >> Error: Syntax error in expression at (1) >> geometry.h:21.1: >> Included at edcfd.F:57: >> >> >> 1 >> Error: Non-numeric character in statement label at (1) >> Fatal Error: Error count reached limit of 25 > > -- > Dr Aizaz A Samuel > Research Fellow > Department of Mechanical Engineering > University of Strathclyde > M324 James Weir Building > 75 Montrose Street > Glasgow, UK > G1 1XJ > > T:+44 141 548 5765 > F:+44 141 552 5105 > From ibeausol at mae.carleton.ca Fri May 15 13:35:08 2009 From: ibeausol at mae.carleton.ca (Ian Beausoleil-Morrison) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:35:08 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r developers' meeting at Building Simulation 2009 Message-ID: <004601c9d559$95384bb0$bfa8e310$@carleton.ca> Dear All, The upcoming Building Simulation 2009 conference in Glasgow provides a rare opportunity for the dispersed ESP-r development community to meet face-to-face. We'd like to take this opportunity to discuss a number of important issues relevant to ongoing and future development of ESP-r. Agenda items will include: * Coordination of major developments. * ESP-r version 12. * Frequency of release cycle. * Supported hardware, OS's, and compilers. * Accelerating pre-release testing. All current and future ESP-r developers are welcome to attend and participate. The gathering will be held during the conference's lunch break on the Tuesday (July 28). Reply if you plan to attend so that you will be on the mailing list that receives the final agenda, room location, and other logistical information. Please forward any suggestions for agenda items. Regards, - Ian Ian Beausoleil-Morrison, Ph.D., P.Eng. Associate Professor and Canada Research Chair Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering Carleton University 1125 Colonel By Drive Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K1S 5B6 Ian_Beausoleil-Morrison at carleton.ca +1 (613) 520-2600 ext 3022 (telephone) +1 (613) 520-5715 (facsimile) www.mae.carleton.ca/maehtmls/beausoleil.html From David.Tang at owenscorning.com Mon May 18 11:14:16 2009 From: David.Tang at owenscorning.com (Tang, David) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:14:16 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] Re: ESP-r developers' meeting at Building Simulation 2009 In-Reply-To: <004601c9d559$95384bb0$bfa8e310$@carleton.ca> References: <004601c9d559$95384bb0$bfa8e310$@carleton.ca> Message-ID: <75C7116929E8744596D1F206448AEB1D1B975335CF@APHS7200.ap.corp.owenscorning.com> Hi, Still planning but may be coming to share wiith you the followings: 1. esp-r based metal building energy calculator (completed with thanks for Jon customising esp-r) 2. another esp-r based multi-zone building energy calculator that is able to intelligent HVAC scheme design based on economical, technical, environmental, social criteria; equipment sizing; hourly and annual running cost; initial cost and payback. (developing) 3. esp-r model builder: creating esp-r zones and cfg files using our own rendered 3D CAD toolkits and having fun flying through; inserting windows and doors and splitting shared surfaces with a single click of button. (developing) Regards, David Tang, CEng FCIBSE FEI Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions Owens Corning T: +86 21 6101 9587; F: +86 21 6101 9588; m: +86 13817249419 > -----Original Message----- > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ian > Beausoleil-Morrison > Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 8:35 PM > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; core_developers at developer2.cvsdude.com > Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r developers' meeting at Building Simulation 2009 > > Dear All, > > The upcoming Building Simulation 2009 conference in Glasgow > provides a rare opportunity for the dispersed ESP-r > development community to meet face-to-face. We'd like to > take this opportunity to discuss a number of important issues > relevant to ongoing and future development of ESP-r. > Agenda items will include: > * Coordination of major developments. > * ESP-r version 12. > * Frequency of release cycle. > * Supported hardware, OS's, and compilers. > * Accelerating pre-release testing. > > All current and future ESP-r developers are welcome to attend > and participate. The gathering will be held during the > conference's lunch break on the Tuesday (July 28). Reply if > you plan to attend so that you will be on the mailing list > that receives the final agenda, room location, and other > logistical information. Please forward any suggestions for > agenda items. > > Regards, > - Ian > > Ian Beausoleil-Morrison, Ph.D., P.Eng. > Associate Professor and Canada Research Chair Mechanical and > Aerospace Engineering Carleton University > > 1125 Colonel By Drive > Ottawa, Ontario, Canada > K1S 5B6 > > Ian_Beausoleil-Morrison at carleton.ca > +1 (613) 520-2600 ext 3022 (telephone) > +1 (613) 520-5715 (facsimile) > www.mae.carleton.ca/maehtmls/beausoleil.html > > > > > The information contained in this communication and its attachment(s) is intended only for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or exempt from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify postmaster at owenscorning.com and delete the communication without retaining any copies. Thank you. Translations available: http://www.owenscorning.com/emailfooter.html From francesco.frontini at polimi.it Wed May 20 08:03:10 2009 From: francesco.frontini at polimi.it (francesco.frontini at polimi.it) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 09:03:10 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: ESP-r developers' meeting at Building Simulation 2009 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090520090310.466yy4gtcg80go0s@webmail.polimi.it> Dear All I would like to join all of you at the developers' meeting at BS 2009. Please let me know the final agenda. See you in Glasgow Dr. Francesco Frontini. From yook at dasskorea.com Tue May 26 06:01:42 2009 From: yook at dasskorea.com (=?EUC-KR?B?wLDAzrz2?=) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:01:42 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] install failure (after getting source code on MSYS) Message-ID: Hello, developers, I am trying to do some development work on WinXP machine. Through the Tortoise SVN, I got source code already. After getting this source, I tried 'Install' in MSYS command window but suddenly failed. The attached file shows some messages I got. Please share any tips with me~ Thank you for your attention in advance. Lewis Yook Team Manager, DASS Consultants Ltd. 143-834, Venture Center 304-ho, 632-9 Guui-dong Gwangjin-gu, Seoul, Korea T. 82.2.913.2585 F. 82.2.949.2585 H. www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090526/5694d5cb/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- DASS at YOOK ~/Src/src $ ./Install -d C:/Esru ESP-r installation script. Please consult the README file before commencing installation. This script will rebuild the ESP-r modules on your system. You can abort this process at any time by pressing c. Please answer the following questions. Default answers are in []. To accept the default, press return. Your computer identifies itself as MINGW32_NT-5.1. Is this information correct (y/n)? [y] y The GNU compiler set will be used. The libxml2 library does not appear to be installed on this system. The library could not be found in /usr/include or /usr/local/include. Support for experimental XML output will be disabled, but the rest of the ESP-r installation will proceed normally. Graphics library: [3] (1) GTK graphics library (3) no graphics library (text-only application) 1 ESP-r can optionally retain debugging symbols and object files for use with a debugging program such as GDB. Retain debugging symbols? (y/n) [n] y Install ESP-r database files? (y/n) [y] y Install training files? (y/n) [y] y The ESP-r directory tree does not exist at C:/Esru, or may have been corrupted. The following directories are required: C:/Esru/esp-r C:/Esru/esp-r/bin C:/Esru/esp-r/climate C:/Esru/esp-r/databases C:/Esru/esp-r/electric_loads C:/Esru/esp-r/lib C:/Esru/esp-r/manual C:/Esru/esp-r/xsl Do you wish to create the ESP-r directory tree at this location? (y/n) [y] y m.AllocationBase 0x0, m.BaseAddress 0x715B0000, m.RegionSize 0x420000, m.State 0x10000 C:\msys\1.0\bin\sh.exe: *** Couldn't reserve space for cygwin's heap (0x715B0000 <0xC60000>) in child, Win32 error 487 0 [main] sh 5180 sync_with_child: child 3648(0x710) died before initialization with status code 0x1 10531 [main] sh 5180 sync_with_child: *** child state waiting for longjmp ./Install: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable From Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca Tue May 26 16:05:59 2009 From: Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca (Ferguson, Alex) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:05:59 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Re: install failure (after getting source code on MSYS) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Lewis, I've never seen that error before, but I suspect you've encountered a low-level error when the install script invoked low-level utilities to create the ESP-r directory tree. I found some similar discussion here: http://www.nabble.com/Subject:-Newbie-problem-with-installing-MSYS-td16005781.html It seems this problem may crop up when msys and cygwin coexist on a machine; msys may be finding and executing cygwin binaries in the windows path. Otherwise, you may find success by following the suggestion to 'rebase' your msys dlls contained within that thread. Hope that helps. - Alex ________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? Sent: May 26, 2009 01:02 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] install failure (after getting source code on MSYS) Hello, developers, I am trying to do some development work on WinXP machine. Through the Tortoise SVN, I got source code already. After getting this source, I tried 'Install' in MSYS command window but suddenly failed. The attached file shows some messages I got. Please share any tips with me~ Thank you for your attention in advance. Lewis Yook Team Manager, DASS Consultants Ltd. ? 143-834, Venture Center 304-ho, 632-9 Guui-dong Gwangjin-gu, Seoul, Korea T. 82.2.913.2585 F. 82.2.949.2585 H. www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090526/327aaaa1/attachment.html From yook at dasskorea.com Tue May 26 17:58:46 2009 From: yook at dasskorea.com (=?EUC-KR?B?wLDAzrz2?=) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 01:58:46 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] Re: install failure (after getting source code on MSYS) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you, Alex for your kind help. Actually, I also suspected some troubles due to coexisting Cygwin and MSYS. That is why I removed Cygwin from my machine before the installing of MinGW and MSYS. I removed some registry values using 'regedit' and then delete the 'c:\Cygwin' folder manually. In my guess, '*rebase*' is a Cygwin command. In MSYS command window, 'rebase' command cannot be found according to 'sh'. Hope anyone knows something about this Regard, Lewis I. Yook Team Manager, DASS Consultants Ltd. 143-834, Venture Center 304-ho, 632-9 Guui-dong Gwangjin-gu, Seoul, Korea T. 82.2.913.2585 F. 82.2.949.2585 H. www.dasskorea.com 2009/5/27 Ferguson, Alex > Hi Lewis, > > I've never seen that error before, but I suspect you've encountered a > low-level error when the install script invoked low-level utilities to > create the ESP-r directory tree. I found some similar discussion here: > > > http://www.nabble.com/Subject:-Newbie-problem-with-installing-MSYS-td16005781.html > > It seems this problem may crop up when msys and cygwin coexist on a > machine; msys may be finding and executing cygwin binaries in the windows > path. Otherwise, you may find success by following the suggestion to > 'rebase' your msys dlls contained within that thread. > > Hope that helps. > > - Alex > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto: > esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *??? > *Sent:* May 26, 2009 01:02 > *To:* esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > *Subject:* [esp-r] install failure (after getting source code on MSYS) > > Hello, developers, > > I am trying to do some development work on WinXP machine. > > Through the Tortoise SVN, I got source code already. > > After getting this source, I tried 'Install' in MSYS command window but > suddenly failed. > > The attached file shows some messages I got. > > Please share any tips with me~ > > Thank you for your attention in advance. > > Lewis Yook > > Team Manager, > DASS Consultants Ltd. > ? > 143-834, Venture Center 304-ho, 632-9 Guui-dong Gwangjin-gu, Seoul, Korea > > T. 82.2.913.2585 F. 82.2.949.2585 > H. www.dasskorea.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090527/159faa28/attachment.html From Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca Tue May 26 18:36:40 2009 From: Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca (Ferguson, Alex) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:36:40 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Re: install failure (after getting source code on MSYS) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Lewis, rebase appears on my msys system, but I've never used it: $ rebase usage: REBASE [switches] [-R image-root [-G filename] [-O filename] [-N filename]] image-names... One of -b and -i switches are mandatory. [-a] Used with -x. extract All debug info into .dbg file [-b InitialBase] specify initial base address [-c coffbase_filename] generate coffbase.txt -C includes filename extensions, -c does not [-d] top down rebase [-f] Strip relocs after rebasing the image [-i coffbase_filename] get base addresses from coffbase_filename [-l logFilePath] write image bases to log file. [-p] Used with -x. Remove private debug info when extracting [-q] minimal output [-s] just sum image range [-u symbol_dir] Update debug info in .DBG along this path [-v] verbose output [-x symbol_dir] extract debug info into separate .DBG file first [-z] allow system file rebasing [-?] display this message [-R image_root] set image root for use by -G, -O, -N [-G filename] group images together in address space [-O filename] overlay images in address space [-N filename] leave images at their origional address -G, -O, -N, may occur multiple times. File "filename" contains a list of files (relative to "image-root") But I suggest you first make sure that cygwin does not appear in your path. You'll find it in the Environment variables section of the 'advanced' tab on your 'system' dialog on the control-panel. Failing that, you could try to reinstall ESP-r. - Alex ________________________________ From: ??? [mailto:yook at dasskorea.com] Sent: May 26, 2009 12:59 To: Ferguson, Alex Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: Re: [esp-r] install failure (after getting source code on MSYS) Thank you, Alex for your kind help. Actually, I also suspected some troubles due to coexisting Cygwin and MSYS. That is why I removed Cygwin from my machine before the installing of MinGW and MSYS. I removed some registry values using 'regedit' and then delete the 'c:\Cygwin' folder manually. In my guess, 'rebase' is a Cygwin command. In MSYS command window, 'rebase' command cannot be found according to 'sh'. Hope anyone knows something about this Regard, Lewis I. Yook Team Manager, DASS Consultants Ltd. ? 143-834, Venture Center 304-ho, 632-9 Guui-dong Gwangjin-gu, Seoul, Korea T. 82.2.913.2585 F. 82.2.949.2585 H. www.dasskorea.com 2009/5/27 Ferguson, Alex Hi Lewis, ? I've never seen that error before, but I suspect you've encountered?a low-level error when the install script invoked low-level utilities to create the ESP-r directory tree.?I found some similar discussion here: ? http://www.nabble.com/Subject:-Newbie-problem-with-installing-MSYS-td16005781.html ? It seems this problem may crop up when msys and cygwin coexist on a machine; msys may be finding and executing cygwin binaries in the windows path. Otherwise, you may find success by following the suggestion to 'rebase' your msys dlls contained within that thread. ? Hope that helps. ? - Alex ? ________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? Sent: May 26, 2009 01:02 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] install failure (after getting source code on MSYS) Hello, developers, I am trying to do some development work on WinXP machine. Through the Tortoise SVN, I got source code already. After getting this source, I tried 'Install' in MSYS command window but suddenly failed. The attached file shows some messages I got. Please share any tips with me~ Thank you for your attention in advance. Lewis Yook Team Manager, DASS Consultants Ltd. ? 143-834, Venture Center 304-ho, 632-9 Guui-dong Gwangjin-gu, Seoul, Korea T. 82.2.913.2585 F. 82.2.949.2585 H. www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090526/d946bf96/attachment.html From yook at dasskorea.com Tue May 26 23:07:00 2009 From: yook at dasskorea.com (=?EUC-KR?B?wLDAzrz2?=) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 07:07:00 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] Re: install failure (after getting source code on MSYS) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: okay. I already checked the 'path' in my window 'Environment Variable' before and there was no 'cygwin' in the path. That might not be a problem. The thing is my MSYS doesn't show me the 'rebase'. It just gives me the following message- "sh: rebase: command not found" I am gonna check some more detail about my installing process to check whether it was correct or not. Let me give you some additional question after checking or reinstalling those stuffs. Many thanks, Lewis, Team Manager, DASS Consultants Ltd. 143-834, Venture Center 304-ho, 632-9 Guui-dong Gwangjin-gu, Seoul, Korea T. 82.2.913.2585 F. 82.2.949.2585 H. www.dasskorea.com 2009/5/27 Ferguson, Alex > Hi Lewis, > > rebase appears on my msys system, but I've never used it: > > $ rebase > usage: REBASE [switches] > [-R image-root [-G filename] [-O filename] [-N filename]] > image-names... > One of -b and -i switches are mandatory. > [-a] Used with -x. extract All debug info into .dbg file > [-b InitialBase] specify initial base address > [-c coffbase_filename] generate coffbase.txt > -C includes filename extensions, -c does not > [-d] top down rebase > [-f] Strip relocs after rebasing the image > [-i coffbase_filename] get base addresses from > coffbase_filename > [-l logFilePath] write image bases to log file. > [-p] Used with -x. Remove private debug info when extracting > [-q] minimal output > [-s] just sum image range > [-u symbol_dir] Update debug info in .DBG along this path > [-v] verbose output > [-x symbol_dir] extract debug info into separate .DBG file > first > [-z] allow system file rebasing > [-?] display this message > [-R image_root] set image root for use by -G, -O, -N > [-G filename] group images together in address space > [-O filename] overlay images in address space > [-N filename] leave images at their origional address > -G, -O, -N, may occur multiple times. File "filename" > contains a list of files (relative to "image-root") > > But I suggest you first make sure that cygwin does not appear in your path. > You'll find it in the Environment variables section of the 'advanced' tab on > your 'system' dialog on the control-panel. Failing that, you could try to > reinstall ESP-r. > > - Alex > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* ??? [mailto:yook at dasskorea.com] > *Sent:* May 26, 2009 12:59 > *To:* Ferguson, Alex > *Cc:* esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > *Subject:* Re: [esp-r] install failure (after getting source code on MSYS) > > Thank you, Alex for your kind help. > > Actually, I also suspected some troubles due to coexisting Cygwin and MSYS. > > That is why I removed Cygwin from my machine before the installing of MinGW > and MSYS. > > I removed some registry values using 'regedit' and then delete the > 'c:\Cygwin' folder manually. > > In my guess, '*rebase*' is a Cygwin command. > > In MSYS command window, 'rebase' command cannot be found according to 'sh'. > > Hope anyone knows something about this > > Regard, > > Lewis I. Yook > > > Team Manager, > DASS Consultants Ltd. > ? > 143-834, Venture Center 304-ho, 632-9 Guui-dong Gwangjin-gu, Seoul, Korea > > T. 82.2.913.2585 F. 82.2.949.2585 > H. www.dasskorea.com > > > > 2009/5/27 Ferguson, Alex > >> Hi Lewis, >> ? >> I've never seen that error before, but I suspect you've encountered?a >> low-level error when the install script invoked low-level utilities to >> create the ESP-r directory tree.?I found some similar discussion here: >> ? >> >> http://www.nabble.com/Subject:-Newbie-problem-with-installing-MSYS-td16005781.html >> ? >> It seems this problem may crop up when msys and cygwin coexist on a >> machine; msys may be finding and executing cygwin binaries in the windows >> path. Otherwise, you may find success by following the suggestion to >> 'rebase' your msys dlls contained within that thread. >> ? >> Hope that helps. >> ? >> - Alex >> ? >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto: >> esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *??? >> *Sent:* May 26, 2009 01:02 >> *To:* esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> *Subject:* [esp-r] install failure (after getting source code on MSYS) >> >> Hello, developers, >> >> I am trying to do some development work on WinXP machine. >> >> Through the Tortoise SVN, I got source code already. >> >> After getting this source, I tried 'Install' in MSYS command window but >> suddenly failed. >> >> The attached file shows some messages I got. >> >> Please share any tips with me~ >> >> Thank you for your attention in advance. >> >> Lewis Yook >> >> Team Manager, >> DASS Consultants Ltd. >> ? >> 143-834, Venture Center 304-ho, 632-9 Guui-dong Gwangjin-gu, Seoul, Korea >> >> T. 82.2.913.2585 F. 82.2.949.2585 >> H. www.dasskorea.com >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090527/b7ae043b/attachment-0001.html From yook at dasskorea.com Thu May 28 01:28:04 2009 From: yook at dasskorea.com (=?EUC-KR?B?wLDAzrz2?=) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:28:04 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] Re: install failure (after getting source code on MSYS) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I got downloaded a rebase.exe file and put it in /msys/1.0/bin. That enabled me to execute the rebase thing and it worked. (It worked in MinGW command prompt) This small success leads to me another challenge ;) Does anyone can check the attached picture and tell me what is going on? I got this screen after running ./Install -d c:\Esru on MSYS command prompt. Best Regard, Lewis Team Manager, DASS Consultants Ltd. 143-834, Venture Center 304-ho, 632-9 Guui-dong Gwangjin-gu, Seoul, Korea T. 82.2.913.2585 F. 82.2.949.2585 H. www.dasskorea.com 2009/5/27 ??? > okay. > > I already checked the 'path' in my window 'Environment Variable' before and > there was no 'cygwin' in the path. > > That might not be a problem. > > The thing is my MSYS doesn't show me the 'rebase'. > > It just gives me the following message- > > "sh: rebase: command not found" > > I am gonna check some more detail about my installing process to check > whether it was correct or not. > > Let me give you some additional question after checking or reinstalling > those stuffs. > > Many thanks, > > Lewis, > > Team Manager, > DASS Consultants Ltd. > > 143-834, Venture Center 304-ho, 632-9 Guui-dong Gwangjin-gu, Seoul, Korea > > T. 82.2.913.2585 F. 82.2.949.2585 > H. www.dasskorea.com > > > > 2009/5/27 Ferguson, Alex > >> Hi Lewis, >> >> rebase appears on my msys system, but I've never used it: >> >> $ rebase >> usage: REBASE [switches] >> [-R image-root [-G filename] [-O filename] [-N filename]] >> image-names... >> One of -b and -i switches are mandatory. >> [-a] Used with -x. extract All debug info into .dbg file >> [-b InitialBase] specify initial base address >> [-c coffbase_filename] generate coffbase.txt >> -C includes filename extensions, -c does not >> [-d] top down rebase >> [-f] Strip relocs after rebasing the image >> [-i coffbase_filename] get base addresses from >> coffbase_filename >> [-l logFilePath] write image bases to log file. >> [-p] Used with -x. Remove private debug info when >> extracting >> [-q] minimal output >> [-s] just sum image range >> [-u symbol_dir] Update debug info in .DBG along this path >> [-v] verbose output >> [-x symbol_dir] extract debug info into separate .DBG file >> first >> [-z] allow system file rebasing >> [-?] display this message >> [-R image_root] set image root for use by -G, -O, -N >> [-G filename] group images together in address space >> [-O filename] overlay images in address space >> [-N filename] leave images at their origional address >> -G, -O, -N, may occur multiple times. File "filename" >> contains a list of files (relative to "image-root") >> >> But I suggest you first make sure that cygwin does not appear in your >> path. You'll find it in the Environment variables section of the 'advanced' >> tab on your 'system' dialog on the control-panel. Failing that, you could >> try to reinstall ESP-r. >> >> - Alex >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* ??? [mailto:yook at dasskorea.com] >> *Sent:* May 26, 2009 12:59 >> *To:* Ferguson, Alex >> *Cc:* esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> *Subject:* Re: [esp-r] install failure (after getting source code on >> MSYS) >> >> Thank you, Alex for your kind help. >> >> Actually, I also suspected some troubles due to coexisting Cygwin and >> MSYS. >> >> That is why I removed Cygwin from my machine before the installing of >> MinGW and MSYS. >> >> I removed some registry values using 'regedit' and then delete the >> 'c:\Cygwin' folder manually. >> >> In my guess, '*rebase*' is a Cygwin command. >> >> In MSYS command window, 'rebase' command cannot be found according to >> 'sh'. >> >> Hope anyone knows something about this >> >> Regard, >> >> Lewis I. Yook >> >> >> Team Manager, >> DASS Consultants Ltd. >> ? >> 143-834, Venture Center 304-ho, 632-9 Guui-dong Gwangjin-gu, Seoul, Korea >> >> T. 82.2.913.2585 F. 82.2.949.2585 >> H. www.dasskorea.com >> >> >> >> 2009/5/27 Ferguson, Alex >> >>> Hi Lewis, >>> ? >>> I've never seen that error before, but I suspect you've encountered?a >>> low-level error when the install script invoked low-level utilities to >>> create the ESP-r directory tree.?I found some similar discussion here: >>> ? >>> >>> http://www.nabble.com/Subject:-Newbie-problem-with-installing-MSYS-td16005781.html >>> ? >>> It seems this problem may crop up when msys and cygwin coexist on a >>> machine; msys may be finding and executing cygwin binaries in the windows >>> path. Otherwise, you may find success by following the suggestion to >>> 'rebase' your msys dlls contained within that thread. >>> ? >>> Hope that helps. >>> ? >>> - Alex >>> ? >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto: >>> esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *??? >>> *Sent:* May 26, 2009 01:02 >>> *To:* esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >>> *Subject:* [esp-r] install failure (after getting source code on MSYS) >>> >>> Hello, developers, >>> >>> I am trying to do some development work on WinXP machine. >>> >>> Through the Tortoise SVN, I got source code already. >>> >>> After getting this source, I tried 'Install' in MSYS command window but >>> suddenly failed. >>> >>> The attached file shows some messages I got. >>> >>> Please share any tips with me~ >>> >>> Thank you for your attention in advance. >>> >>> Lewis Yook >>> >>> Team Manager, >>> DASS Consultants Ltd. >>> ? >>> 143-834, Venture Center 304-ho, 632-9 Guui-dong Gwangjin-gu, Seoul, Korea >>> >>> T. 82.2.913.2585 F. 82.2.949.2585 >>> H. www.dasskorea.com >>> >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Compared to original building, 2 copied buildings occurred 16 % more heating load, though there is no obstruction. But 2 copied one shows very similar pattern and load. When I look at room temperature, the original one has 0.5~2 degree higher temperature than copied one. copied one shows exactly same pattern. I guess adjacent buildings affected the amount of solar penetration. As a second try, I placed copied building at 30m distance from original one. But the result was same. it occurred 16% more heating load than original one, and same temperature profile. Does adjacent buildings affect the other, though I didn't make and activate obstructions? If not, should 2 building which are close to each with same condition show same result? In my case, do you have a comment on what I should look to figure out what the reason is? Thank you in advance. Regards Minhwan -- Kim, Min-hwan Researcher, Integrated Simulation Team. Design and Simulation for Sustainability (DASS) consultants Ltd. 143-834 632-9 Guui 1(il)-dong Gwangjin-gu Seoul(Seoul 143-834 Korea) T. 82.2.913.2585 F. 82.2.949.2585 H. www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090528/1e17ea35/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Thu May 28 10:19:34 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:19:34 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: install failure (after getting source code on MSYS) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000c01c9df75$6b9f75f0$42de61d0$@geissler@intergga.ch> Hi Lewis The last message in your screenshot tells you that g77 is missing. Either it actually is missing or it may be in an unusual path. Which gcc are you using? The makefile assumes g77 for older gcc, as far as I know. Newer gcc should be looking for gfortran. The first ?stack dump? I don?t know. Does svn work from the command line? Possibly a problem, there. Regards Achim From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r- bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? Sent: Donnerstag, 28. Mai 2009 02:28 To: Ferguson, Alex Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: install failure (after getting source code on MSYS) I got downloaded a rebase.exe file and put it in /msys/1.0/bin. That enabled me to execute the rebase thing and it worked. (It worked in MinGW command prompt) This small success leads to me another challenge ;) Does anyone can check the attached picture and tell me what is going on? I got this screen after running ./Install -d c:\Esru on MSYS command prompt. Best Regard, Lewis Team Manager, DASS Consultants Ltd. 143-834, Venture Center 304-ho, 632-9 Guui-dong Gwangjin-gu, Seoul, Korea T. 82.2.913.2585 F. 82.2.949.2585 H. www.dasskorea.com 2009/5/27 ??? okay. I already checked the 'path' in my window 'Environment Variable' before and there was no 'cygwin' in the path. That might not be a problem. The thing is my MSYS doesn't show me the 'rebase'. It just gives me the following message- "sh: rebase: command not found" I am gonna check some more detail about my installing process to check whether it was correct or not. Let me give you some additional question after checking or reinstalling those stuffs. Many thanks, Lewis, Team Manager, DASS Consultants Ltd. 143-834, Venture Center 304-ho, 632-9 Guui-dong Gwangjin-gu, Seoul, Korea T. 82.2.913.2585 F. 82.2.949.2585 H. www.dasskorea.com 2009/5/27 Ferguson, Alex Hi Lewis, rebase appears on my msys system, but I've never used it: $ rebase usage: REBASE [switches] [-R image-root [-G filename] [-O filename] [-N filename]] image-names... One of -b and -i switches are mandatory. [-a] Used with -x. extract All debug info into .dbg file [-b InitialBase] specify initial base address [-c coffbase_filename] generate coffbase.txt -C includes filename extensions, -c does not [-d] top down rebase [-f] Strip relocs after rebasing the image [-i coffbase_filename] get base addresses from coffbase_filename [-l logFilePath] write image bases to log file. [-p] Used with -x. Remove private debug info when extracting [-q] minimal output [-s] just sum image range [-u symbol_dir] Update debug info in .DBG along this path [-v] verbose output [-x symbol_dir] extract debug info into separate .DBG file first [-z] allow system file rebasing [-?] display this message [-R image_root] set image root for use by -G, -O, -N [-G filename] group images together in address space [-O filename] overlay images in address space [-N filename] leave images at their origional address -G, -O, -N, may occur multiple times. File "filename" contains a list of files (relative to "image-root") But I suggest you first make sure that cygwin does not appear in your path. You'll find it in the Environment variables section of the 'advanced' tab on your 'system' dialog on the control-panel. Failing that, you could try to reinstall ESP-r. - Alex _____ From: ??? [mailto:yook at dasskorea.com] Sent: May 26, 2009 12:59 To: Ferguson, Alex Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: Re: [esp-r] install failure (after getting source code on MSYS) Thank you, Alex for your kind help. Actually, I also suspected some troubles due to coexisting Cygwin and MSYS. That is why I removed Cygwin from my machine before the installing of MinGW and MSYS. I removed some registry values using 'regedit' and then delete the 'c:\Cygwin' folder manually. In my guess, 'rebase' is a Cygwin command. In MSYS command window, 'rebase' command cannot be found according to 'sh'. Hope anyone knows something about this Regard, Lewis I. Yook Team Manager, DASS Consultants Ltd. ? 143-834, Venture Center 304-ho, 632-9 Guui-dong Gwangjin-gu, Seoul, Korea T. 82.2.913.2585 F. 82.2.949.2585 H. www.dasskorea.com 2009/5/27 Ferguson, Alex Hi Lewis, ? I've never seen that error before, but I suspect you've encountered?a low- level error when the install script invoked low-level utilities to create the ESP-r directory tree.?I found some similar discussion here: ? http://www.nabble.com/Subject:-Newbie-problem-with-installing-MSYS- td16005781.html ? It seems this problem may crop up when msys and cygwin coexist on a machine; msys may be finding and executing cygwin binaries in the windows path. Otherwise, you may find success by following the suggestion to 'rebase' your msys dlls contained within that thread. ? Hope that helps. ? - Alex ? _____ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r- bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? Sent: May 26, 2009 01:02 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] install failure (after getting source code on MSYS) Hello, developers, I am trying to do some development work on WinXP machine. Through the Tortoise SVN, I got source code already. After getting this source, I tried 'Install' in MSYS command window but suddenly failed. The attached file shows some messages I got. Please share any tips with me~ Thank you for your attention in advance. Lewis Yook Team Manager, DASS Consultants Ltd. ? 143-834, Venture Center 304-ho, 632-9 Guui-dong Gwangjin-gu, Seoul, Korea T. 82.2.913.2585 F. 82.2.949.2585 H. www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090528/84f1de9d/attachment-0001.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Thu May 28 10:24:26 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:24:26 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Effect of adjacent building In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001101c9df76$19581df0$4c0859d0$@geissler@intergga.ch> Dear Minhwan is only the control >file< for the three separate buildings the same? You have defined three separate control sets, one for each building? Did you write out the QS with everything set to ?verbose?? Experience says that copying zones / buildings may lead to inconsistencies even though no messages are given. I would go through the verbose QS report with a very fine comb ? Regards Achim From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r- bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? Sent: Donnerstag, 28. Mai 2009 10:02 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Effect of adjacent building Hi everyone I am comparing energy performance of 3 glazing. At first I made up 1 building and copied 2 other buildings from it. Copied building has their own tmc and con files and they share opr and ctl files with original one. Height of building is 7.8 m and distance between buildings is 10m. But when same glazing is applied to all 3 buildings, the result was interesting. Compared to original building, 2 copied buildings occurred 16 % more heating load, though there is no obstruction. But 2 copied one shows very similar pattern and load. When I look at room temperature, the original one has 0.5~2 degree higher temperature than copied one. copied one shows exactly same pattern. I guess adjacent buildings affected the amount of solar penetration. As a second try, I placed copied building at 30m distance from original one. But the result was same. it occurred 16% more heating load than original one, and same temperature profile. Does adjacent buildings affect the other, though I didn't make and activate obstructions? If not, should 2 building which are close to each with same condition show same result? In my case, do you have a comment on what I should look to figure out what the reason is? Thank you in advance. Regards Minhwan -- Kim, Min-hwan Researcher, Integrated Simulation Team. Design and Simulation for Sustainability (DASS) consultants Ltd. 143-834 632-9 Guui 1(il)-dong Gwangjin-gu Seoul(Seoul 143-834 Korea) T. 82.2.913.2585 F. 82.2.949.2585 H. www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090528/e2eac874/attachment.html From manzan at units.it Thu May 28 11:28:38 2009 From: manzan at units.it (Marco Manzan) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:28:38 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Effect of adiacent building In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200905281228.38707.manzan@units.it> Alle gioved? 28 maggio 2009, esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk ha scritto: > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:02:26 +0900 > From: ??? > Subject: [esp-r] Effect of adjacent building > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi everyone > I am comparing energy performance of 3 glazing. > > At first I made up 1 building and copied 2 other buildings from it. > Copied building has their own tmc and con files and they share opr and ctl > files with original one. > Height of building is 7.8 m and distance between buildings is 10m. > But when same glazing is applied to all 3 buildings, the result was > interesting. > Compared to original building, 2 copied buildings occurred 16 % more > heating load, though there is no obstruction. > But 2 copied one shows very similar pattern and load. > When I look at room temperature, the original one has 0.5~2 degree higher > temperature than copied one. > copied one shows exactly same pattern. I guess adjacent buildings affected > the amount of solar penetration. > > As a second try, I placed copied building at 30m distance from original > one. But the result was same. it occurred 16% more heating load than > original one, and same temperature profile. > > Does adjacent buildings affect the other, though I didn't make and activate > obstructions? > If not, should 2 building which are close to each with same condition show > same result? > In my case, do you have a comment on what I should look to figure out what > the reason is? > > Thank you in advance. > > Regards > > Minhwan Hi Minhwan There is no shading effect between builings if you not define it by means of solar obstructions. If I understand well you copied the zones of the original building to generate the additional buildings. The different behavior my be due to a misplaced control (when the zones are copied the same .con and .tmc file can be used, but the .ctl file must be updated defining which control function each zone uses, after the copy the control function for each copied zone is 0 (free floating). hopy this helps yu Regards Marco -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria Navale, del Mare e per l'Ambiente | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu May 28 12:56:05 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:56:05 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: install failure (after getting source code on MSYS) In-Reply-To: <000c01c9df75$6b9f75f0$42de61d0$@geissler@intergga.ch> References: , <000c01c9df75$6b9f75f0$42de61d0$@geissler@intergga.ch> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41370150034E0@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> I visited the site where the problem was happening today - the issue was that the svn checkout was incomplete and some of the files were missing. After issuing a svn cleanup and a svn checkout the remaining files were downloaded and the compile completed. When in doubt do a 'make clean' and then a 'svn update'. There is one issue - hosting a MSYS development environment and a Cygwin development environment on the same machine is not stable. Keep these two development environments on separate machines or put one on a virtual disk/OS within the computer. There are library clashes that are likely. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Achim Geissler [achim.geissler at intergga.ch] Sent: 28 May 2009 10:19 To: '???'; 'Ferguson, Alex' Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: install failure (after getting source code on MSYS) Hi Lewis The last message in your screenshot tells you that g77 is missing. Either it actually is missing or it may be in an unusual path. Which gcc are you using? The makefile assumes g77 for older gcc, as far as I know. Newer gcc should be looking for gfortran. The first ?stack dump? I don?t know. Does svn work from the command line? Possibly a problem, there. Regards Achim From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? Sent: Donnerstag, 28. Mai 2009 02:28 To: Ferguson, Alex Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: install failure (after getting source code on MSYS) I got downloaded a rebase.exe file and put it in /msys/1.0/bin. That enabled me to execute the rebase thing and it worked. (It worked in MinGW command prompt) This small success leads to me another challenge ;) Does anyone can check the attached picture and tell me what is going on? I got this screen after running ./Install -d c:\Esru on MSYS command prompt. Best Regard, Lewis Team Manager, DASS Consultants Ltd. 143-834, Venture Center 304-ho, 632-9 Guui-dong Gwangjin-gu, Seoul, Korea T. 82.2.913.2585 F. 82.2.949.2585 H. www.dasskorea.com 2009/5/27 ??? > okay. I already checked the 'path' in my window 'Environment Variable' before and there was no 'cygwin' in the path. That might not be a problem. The thing is my MSYS doesn't show me the 'rebase'. It just gives me the following message- "sh: rebase: command not found" I am gonna check some more detail about my installing process to check whether it was correct or not. Let me give you some additional question after checking or reinstalling those stuffs. Many thanks, Lewis, Team Manager, DASS Consultants Ltd. 143-834, Venture Center 304-ho, 632-9 Guui-dong Gwangjin-gu, Seoul, Korea T. 82.2.913.2585 F. 82.2.949.2585 H. www.dasskorea.com 2009/5/27 Ferguson, Alex > Hi Lewis, rebase appears on my msys system, but I've never used it: $ rebase usage: REBASE [switches] [-R image-root [-G filename] [-O filename] [-N filename]] image-names... One of -b and -i switches are mandatory. [-a] Used with -x. extract All debug info into .dbg file [-b InitialBase] specify initial base address [-c coffbase_filename] generate coffbase.txt -C includes filename extensions, -c does not [-d] top down rebase [-f] Strip relocs after rebasing the image [-i coffbase_filename] get base addresses from coffbase_filename [-l logFilePath] write image bases to log file. [-p] Used with -x. Remove private debug info when extracting [-q] minimal output [-s] just sum image range [-u symbol_dir] Update debug info in .DBG along this path [-v] verbose output [-x symbol_dir] extract debug info into separate .DBG file first [-z] allow system file rebasing [-?] display this message [-R image_root] set image root for use by -G, -O, -N [-G filename] group images together in address space [-O filename] overlay images in address space [-N filename] leave images at their origional address -G, -O, -N, may occur multiple times. File "filename" contains a list of files (relative to "image-root") But I suggest you first make sure that cygwin does not appear in your path. You'll find it in the Environment variables section of the 'advanced' tab on your 'system' dialog on the control-panel. Failing that, you could try to reinstall ESP-r. - Alex ________________________________ From: ??? [mailto:yook at dasskorea.com] Sent: May 26, 2009 12:59 To: Ferguson, Alex Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: Re: [esp-r] install failure (after getting source code on MSYS) Thank you, Alex for your kind help. Actually, I also suspected some troubles due to coexisting Cygwin and MSYS. That is why I removed Cygwin from my machine before the installing of MinGW and MSYS. I removed some registry values using 'regedit' and then delete the 'c:\Cygwin' folder manually. In my guess, 'rebase' is a Cygwin command. In MSYS command window, 'rebase' command cannot be found according to 'sh'. Hope anyone knows something about this Regard, Lewis I. Yook Team Manager, DASS Consultants Ltd. ? 143-834, Venture Center 304-ho, 632-9 Guui-dong Gwangjin-gu, Seoul, Korea T. 82.2.913.2585 F. 82.2.949.2585 H. www.dasskorea.com 2009/5/27 Ferguson, Alex > Hi Lewis, ? I've never seen that error before, but I suspect you've encountered?a low-level error when the install script invoked low-level utilities to create the ESP-r directory tree.?I found some similar discussion here: ? http://www.nabble.com/Subject:-Newbie-problem-with-installing-MSYS-td16005781.html ? It seems this problem may crop up when msys and cygwin coexist on a machine; msys may be finding and executing cygwin binaries in the windows path. Otherwise, you may find success by following the suggestion to 'rebase' your msys dlls contained within that thread. ? Hope that helps. ? - Alex ? ________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? Sent: May 26, 2009 01:02 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] install failure (after getting source code on MSYS) Hello, developers, I am trying to do some development work on WinXP machine. Through the Tortoise SVN, I got source code already. After getting this source, I tried 'Install' in MSYS command window but suddenly failed. The attached file shows some messages I got. Please share any tips with me~ Thank you for your attention in advance. Lewis Yook Team Manager, DASS Consultants Ltd. ? 143-834, Venture Center 304-ho, 632-9 Guui-dong Gwangjin-gu, Seoul, Korea T. 82.2.913.2585 F. 82.2.949.2585 H. www.dasskorea.com From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu May 28 13:03:13 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:03:13 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: install failure (after getting source code on MSYS) In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41370150034E2@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> The Install command needs a forward slash / rather than a back slash \ within the MSYS environment. This should result in the correct native windows install for access within the windows explorer. Updated notes for native windows install should be available on the ESRU web site soon. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? [yook at dasskorea.com] Sent: 28 May 2009 01:28 To: Ferguson, Alex Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: install failure (after getting source code on MSYS) I got downloaded a rebase.exe file and put it in /msys/1.0/bin. That enabled me to execute the rebase thing and it worked. (It worked in MinGW command prompt) This small success leads to me another challenge ;) Does anyone can check the attached picture and tell me what is going on? I got this screen after running ./Install -d c:\Esru on MSYS command prompt. Best Regard, Lewis Team Manager, DASS Consultants Ltd. 143-834, Venture Center 304-ho, 632-9 Guui-dong Gwangjin-gu, Seoul, Korea T. 82.2.913.2585 F. 82.2.949.2585 H. www.dasskorea.com From yook at dasskorea.com Thu May 28 16:28:08 2009 From: yook at dasskorea.com (=?EUC-KR?B?wLDAzrz2?=) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 00:28:08 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] Re: install failure (after getting source code on MSYS) In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41370150034E2@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41370150034E2@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: Alex, John I really appreciate your kind answers. Through those troubles, I could get much understanding of the nature of MSYS and Cygwin. Here is one suggestion regarding 'notes'. Sometimes, commands and menus on certain OS can be little bit confusing to a novice like me ;) As we can see in our Cook Book, screen shots can give us clearer understandings. I understand the demanding works for those getting pictures on notes. But I am sure that can save lots of time and energy of hundreds of users ^^ Always appreciating your helps and supports, Lewis Yook Team Manager, DASS Consultants Ltd. 143-834, Venture Center 304-ho, 632-9 Guui-dong Gwangjin-gu, Seoul, Korea T. 82.2.913.2585 F. 82.2.949.2585 H. www.dasskorea.com 2009/5/28 Jon Hand > > The Install command needs a forward slash / rather than a back slash \ > within the MSYS > environment. This should result in the correct native windows install for > access within > the windows explorer. > > Updated notes for native windows install should be available on the ESRU > web site soon. > > -Jon Hand > > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of ??? [yook at dasskorea.com] > Sent: 28 May 2009 01:28 > To: Ferguson, Alex > Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Re: install failure (after getting source code on MSYS) > > I got downloaded a rebase.exe file and put it in /msys/1.0/bin. > > That enabled me to execute the rebase thing and it worked. (It worked in > MinGW command prompt) > > This small success leads to me another challenge ;) > > Does anyone can check the attached picture and tell me what is going on? > > I got this screen after running > > ./Install -d c:\Esru > > on MSYS command prompt. > > Best Regard, > > Lewis > > Team Manager, > DASS Consultants Ltd. > > 143-834, Venture Center 304-ho, 632-9 Guui-dong Gwangjin-gu, Seoul, Korea > > T. 82.2.913.2585 F. 82.2.949.2585 > H. www.dasskorea.com > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My guess is that cygwin's package manager isn't aware of a key dependency in one of the new packages. - Alex ( copied esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk, as I'm sure others will encounter this problem in the future.) _____________________________________________ From: Ian Beausoleil-Morrison [mailto:ibeausol at mae.carleton.ca] Sent: May 29, 2009 11:55 To: Ferguson, Alex Subject: Cyginw font problems Alex, How did you solve this problem? I've just updated a Cygwin installation and am experiencing the same problem. - Ian Ferguson, Alex Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca Fri Apr 17 17:30:55 BST 2009 * Previous message: [esp-r] Re: CFD grid error * Next message: [esp-r] Obstructions * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] I'm struggling with a new-to-me configuration error on a recent cygwin installation: X11-compiled ESP-r binaries all report "display 127.0.0.1:0.0 doesn't know font 6x12". I have the following flavours of 6x12 installed in /usr/share/fonts: 6x12-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz 6x12-ISO8859-10.pcf.gz 6x12-ISO8859-13.pcf.gz 6x12-ISO8859-14.pcf.gz 6x12-ISO8859-15.pcf.gz 6x12-ISO8859-16.pcf.gz 6x12-ISO8859-2.pcf.gz 6x12-ISO8859-3.pcf.gz 6x12-ISO8859-4.pcf.gz 6x12-ISO8859-5.pcf.gz 6x12-ISO8859-7.pcf.gz 6x12-ISO8859-8.pcf.gz 6x12-ISO8859-9.pcf.gz 6x12-KOI8-R.pcf.gz 6x12.pcf.gz I've tried the font-configuration advice contained in the readme file (namely "export EFONT_0=6x12"), without success. Can anybody shed some light on my problem? Thanks! Alex Ferguson Sustainable Buildings and Communities (Housing Group) CanmetENERGY Natural Resources Canada P:+1 613 995 3294 F:+1 613 996 9909 Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Sat May 30 01:28:10 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 01:28:10 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Cyginw font problems - and a solution Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41370150034EC@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> I found a combination of packages on cygwin which are a working compromise between what is needed for development work (both sets of GCC compilers) and not going overboard on the window managers. I have this as a 400MB zip file and have used it on a dozen machines. If anyone wants this I can use an upload service to get it to you if you send me an email request. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ferguson, Alex [Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca] Sent: 29 May 2009 19:28 To: Ian Beausoleil-Morrison Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Cyginw font problems Hi Ian, I never satisfactorily diagnosed the problem. In the end, I reinstalled every package I could find that pertained to the x-windows system, or contained the word 'font', and the problem disappeared. My guess is that cygwin's package manager isn't aware of a key dependency in one of the new packages. - Alex ( copied esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk, as I'm sure others will encounter this problem in the future.) _____________________________________________ From: Ian Beausoleil-Morrison [mailto:ibeausol at mae.carleton.ca] Sent: May 29, 2009 11:55 To: Ferguson, Alex Subject: Cyginw font problems Alex, How did you solve this problem? I've just updated a Cygwin installation and am experiencing the same problem. - Ian Ferguson, Alex Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca Fri Apr 17 17:30:55 BST 2009 * Previous message: [esp-r] Re: CFD grid error * Next message: [esp-r] Obstructions * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] I'm struggling with a new-to-me configuration error on a recent cygwin installation: X11-compiled ESP-r binaries all report "display 127.0.0.1:0.0 doesn't know font 6x12". I have the following flavours of 6x12 installed in /usr/share/fonts: 6x12-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz 6x12-ISO8859-10.pcf.gz 6x12-ISO8859-13.pcf.gz 6x12-ISO8859-14.pcf.gz 6x12-ISO8859-15.pcf.gz 6x12-ISO8859-16.pcf.gz 6x12-ISO8859-2.pcf.gz 6x12-ISO8859-3.pcf.gz 6x12-ISO8859-4.pcf.gz 6x12-ISO8859-5.pcf.gz 6x12-ISO8859-7.pcf.gz 6x12-ISO8859-8.pcf.gz 6x12-ISO8859-9.pcf.gz 6x12-KOI8-R.pcf.gz 6x12.pcf.gz I've tried the font-configuration advice contained in the readme file (namely "export EFONT_0=6x12"), without success. Can anybody shed some light on my problem? Thanks! Alex Ferguson Sustainable Buildings and Communities (Housing Group) CanmetENERGY Natural Resources Canada P:+1 613 995 3294 F:+1 613 996 9909 Alex.Ferguson at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From Leen.Peeters at mech.kuleuven.be Sat May 30 22:19:32 2009 From: Leen.Peeters at mech.kuleuven.be (Leen Peeters) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 23:19:32 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] adapting optical properties directly in .tmc file Message-ID: Dear, I was running an optimisation for window area on a whole year basis, ending up with optimal area's being minimum independent of climate (Italy, Canada or Belgium). If I consider winter and spring, than the results show more realistic. Checking the transmission in the .tmc files, values are shown in the range of 0.6. So I thought to adapt this and rerun the simulation. If I adapt it in the .tmc only, would that be sufficient? Thanks, Leen From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Sun May 31 15:48:02 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 16:48:02 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: adapting optical properties directly in .tmc file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Leen yes, as long as you do not update the TMC data via the optics database afterwards, the TMC file values define the transmission and absorption / reflection at 5 angles. Some would consider this a QS nightmare, though, as the origin of the data gets obscured. Regards Achim On May 30, 2009, at 11:19 PM, Leen Peeters wrote: > Dear, > > I was running an optimisation for window area on a whole year basis, > ending up with optimal area's being minimum independent of climate > (Italy, Canada or Belgium). > If I consider winter and spring, than the results show more realistic. > Checking the transmission in the .tmc files, values are shown in the > range of 0.6. So I thought to adapt this and rerun the simulation. > If I adapt it in the .tmc only, would that be sufficient? > > Thanks, > > Leen > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > achim.geissler at intergga.ch From yook at dasskorea.com Mon Jun 1 14:32:52 2009 From: yook at dasskorea.com (=?EUC-KR?B?wLDAzrz2?=) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:32:52 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Database corruption ? In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4132A1D7A435B@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4132A1D7A435B@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: Jon I found that 'homepath' is not modified on 'Environment Variable' menu on my XP machine. Instead, I could change it in Local Users and Groups option. Following is the process that I followed. 1. Go to the Windows *Start* menu, select the *Control Panel* option, and then double-click the *Administrative Tools* icon. 2. Double-click the *Computer Management* icon. 3. Select the option, *Local Users and Groups*. 4. Click *Users *to preview a list of authorized users on the network. 5. Double-click the account name of which you want to change the *Home folder *(local path). 6. Give the Home path you want to set (I gave the path C:\Esru\Models) Please make sure that this given folder already exist. For some Korean users who named their window User name (or account name) with Korean Characters, there can be some problem in saving results library. I hope this tip can be helpful for those sort of users. Lewis I. Yook Team Manager, DASS Consultants Ltd. 143-834, Venture Center 304-ho, 632-9 Guui-dong Gwangjin-gu, Seoul, Korea T. 82.2.913.2585 F. 82.2.949.2585 H. www.dasskorea.com On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Jon Hand wrote: > > This is, I think an issue with the Native Windows version of ESP-r that > you are using. Check the ESRU download site and pick up the latest > BETA version for Windows which should correct this issue. > > And the homepath report is typical - ESP-r has picked up the HOME > environment variable associated with your Windows account. Some > users prefer to change the HOME environment variable to point to > another location such as C:\Esru\Models > > One hint on the materials database, after copying a standard database > to your model folder, exit from the database menu and then re-enter > it and it may pick up the contents better the 2nd time. > > -Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of brice-75 [brice-75 at aliceadsl.fr] > Sent: 22 April 2009 09:23 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Database corruption ? > > Good morning, > > I have an issue stating tu use ESP-r with Windows XP. > > Folders seem to be created in the right place. > C:\Esru\EditPath > C:\Esru\esp-r > C:\Esru\Models > > Nevertheless, one thing strange when I launch ESP-r, in the bottom windows > appears > homedrive is C: > homepath is \Documents and Settings\brice.... > > Is it normal ? > > I can launch models, create an new model file, review climate data files, > browse material database... > > But when I try to make any basic modifcation in the materials database > (just copying one product without edting), the software accepts the copy, > but when I save close and open again ESP-r; most values are set to 0, and I > cannot editanymore products specfications (density, absorptivity)... > > What went wrong ? > > > > > More generally, is it easier to start with Linux Distribution (I think to > Ubuntu) than with Windows ? > > Regards > > Brice > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090603/4c1ea435/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Jun 3 10:30:26 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:30:26 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Increasing the number of zones in ESP-r and a source code workshop after IPBSA 09 Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4137015003503@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> The steps are: Backup your current working ESP-r distribution. a) go to the source code folder and issue the command "make clean" to get rid of the current executables and object files. b) make a backup copy of include/building.h c) edit include/building.h and change the parameter MCOM (this number should be less than 99 to avoid input/output glitches) d) re-install the esp-r distribution using the Install script. It is suggested that you do not overwrite the standard version of ESP-r. Use the Install script directive to nominate a different location for this new version of ESP-r to live. After compiling adjust your PATH environment variable to point to the new location. If you need to use the standard version then adjust the PATH back. e) gradually work your model up to full complexity, testing as you go. AND....... After the IBPSA 09 conference in Glasgow (probably on the next monday or tuesday) there will LIKELY be a session for software developers which will cover a number of issues - source code control, testing, setting up development environments on different computers and operating systems. If you have an interest in such a session email Jon Hand jon at esru.strath.ac.uk -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Paulo Filipe de Almeida Ferreira Tavares [ptavares at isec.pt] Sent: 03 June 2009 10:02 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Increasing the number of zones in ESP-r Hi all! I'm working with the source code of ESP-r. The project that i'm working with has about 70 zones (it?s a really big and "complicated" building - with zones that have very different occupancies and uses). How can i increase the number of zones? What i have to do before re-compiling the source code? A few time ago, Jon send a message where he refer a model with 70 zones and the time need to do a complete simulation!... Can someone send me some tips? Best regards, Paulo Tavares From cah at byg.dtu.dk Fri Jun 5 10:05:33 2009 From: cah at byg.dtu.dk (Christian Anker Hviid) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:05:33 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r 11.6 and Radiance in Cygwin Message-ID: <78B14BBA2B77DF4186B975430E16648B0D0F78@mail3.byg.dtu.dk> Hello ESP-r community I am trying to use ESP-r/Radiance. I have tried ESP-r/Radiance from the Learnix boot-CD (version 11.5) and it works ok. However when I use version 11.6 in Cygwin, install precompiled Radiance from Bozzograo.net and set my PATH, ESP-r is unable to generate the sky description file giving me a number of errors like 'no such file or directory', hence obstructing any visualization. Obviously something is not placed in or does not point to the right directory. The visualization module has been changed from version 11.5 to 11.6, so maybe it's a glitch introduced in 11.6 or is there another explanation? Radiance works flawlessly. Best regards Christian Anker Hviid Industrial PhD candidate DTU Byg Technical University of Denmark Brovej, building 118 DK-2800 Lyngby Phone DTU: +45 4525 1886 Phone Alectia: +45 8819 1365 Mail: cah at byg.dtu.dk From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Fri Jun 5 10:56:31 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:56:31 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: ESP-r 11.6 and Radiance in Cygwin In-Reply-To: <78B14BBA2B77DF4186B975430E16648B0D0F78@mail3.byg.dtu.dk> References: <78B14BBA2B77DF4186B975430E16648B0D0F78@mail3.byg.dtu.dk> Message-ID: <000001c9e5c3$e7c1a1e0$b744e5a0$@geissler@intergga.ch> Dear Christian there does seem to be a bug in the current ESP-r version. The path to /rad subdirectory is hard-coded to ../rad. If you start ESP-r in the /cfg subdirectory, it should work (at least it does for me). Starting ESP-r in any other directory leads to the error messages you gave. Achim -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Christian Anker Hviid Sent: Freitag, 5. Juni 2009 11:06 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r 11.6 and Radiance in Cygwin Hello ESP-r community I am trying to use ESP-r/Radiance. I have tried ESP-r/Radiance from the Learnix boot-CD (version 11.5) and it works ok. However when I use version 11.6 in Cygwin, install precompiled Radiance from Bozzograo.net and set my PATH, ESP-r is unable to generate the sky description file giving me a number of errors like 'no such file or directory', hence obstructing any visualization. Obviously something is not placed in or does not point to the right directory. The visualization module has been changed from version 11.5 to 11.6, so maybe it's a glitch introduced in 11.6 or is there another explanation? Radiance works flawlessly. Best regards Christian Anker Hviid Industrial PhD candidate DTU Byg Technical University of Denmark Brovej, building 118 DK-2800 Lyngby Phone DTU: +45 4525 1886 Phone Alectia: +45 8819 1365 Mail: cah at byg.dtu.dk _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From ibeausol at mae.carleton.ca Fri Jun 5 22:09:59 2009 From: ibeausol at mae.carleton.ca (Ian Beausoleil-Morrison) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 17:09:59 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] release of ESP-r version 11.7 Message-ID: <017e01c9e621$fd614790$f823d6b0$@carleton.ca> ESP-r users and developers, Version 11.7 of the ESP-r system is now available. A summary of the changes and new features included in this release is given at the bottom of this e-mail. The source code may be accessed via the ESP-r Central Subversion repository. To do this, you must first install a Subversion client on your system. Free clients are available at http://subversion.tigris.org/getting.html. Once you have installed the Subversion client you can download the source code for version 11.7 of ESP-r anonymously using the following command: svn checkout https://esp-r.net/espr/esp-r/trunk If you already downloaded the source code of a previous version with the above command, then you do not have to do a full download of version 11.7. Rather, you can update the source code by executing the following command from your "trunk" directory: svn update (ESP-r developers who wish to make source code contributions to ESP-r should contact Bart Lomanowski at Bartosz.Lomanowski at nrcan.gc.ca who can configure an account for you on ESP-r Central. Further information on ESP-r Central for developers is available on the ESRU web site.) ESP-r source code is available exclusively through ESP-r Central. However, ESRU will continue to produce and post pre-compiled versions for specific operating environments on its web site. These binary versions will generally be made available within a few days of a source code release and will be announced to this e-mail list. Release notes will also continue to be posted on the ESRU web site. Regards, Ian Beausoleil-Morrison ESP-r Archivist on behalf of the ESP-r development team Carleton University Ottawa, Canada Release Notes 11.7 (June 2009) ================ Simulator --------- - A new construction type, the complex fenestration construction (CFC), has been added. This allows a more accurate treatment of windows with or without shading devices. The front end of the CFC facility is the Glazing Shading Layer Editor, GSLedit, used to assemble the window construction via a graphical user interface. The editor can be downloaded from the ESRU website downloads section. - CFC models are functioning with some limitations (which will be addressed in the future). The limitations currently include: - surface must be vertical with external boundary condition - a CFC is restricted to contain only one shading layer - only slat-type shades are modelled (horizontal and vertical slats) - CFC is not coupled with daylighting models - slat angle control is currently not available - timestep must be at least 6 timesteps per hour - The theory and implementation of the CFC facility is described in http://uwspace.uwaterloo.ca/bitstream/10012/4164/1/Lomanowski_Bartosz.pdf. Refer to Appendix F of this thesis for a user's manual. - Theoretical errors in the four available phase change material models have been corrected. Previously, the apparent conductivity/specific heat was being incorrectly applied to the nodal equation coefficients and several variable indices were incorrect. - A plant component for natural convection heat exchangers (commonly employed in solar hot water systems) has been added. Project Manager --------------- - Some improvements to the importation of DXF files have been made. - A new item has been added to the temporal definitions facility to impose vertical solar radiation data on surfaces. - A new item has been added to the temporal definitions facility to impose heating and cooling setpoints from external files. - A number of new exemplars have been added. - The interface that manages images associated with models has been updated. Users will now be able to add captions to images. - The scripts for converting ESP-r models between machine platforms have been updated. - An option has been added for the single-click creation of zone operation files for zones without internal gains and air flow. - The export of ESP-r models to VRML has been updated to correct an error in constructions for obstruction blocks. Validation ---------- - The CEN 15265 validation tests (annual space heating and cooling) have been added to the embedded validation section. - The ASHRAE Standard 140 furnace test cases have been added to the automated tester test suite. General ------- - The default compiler set used by the Install script has been changed from gcc-3 to gcc-4. Developers with older Cygwin installations and/or Cygwin installations with both gcc-3 and gcc-4 may experience build errors related to the linking of standard libraries. If this occurs, it is recommended that you reinstall Cygwin and exclude the gcc-3 packages. - The building.h header file has been rationalized in order to better support parameter changes (e.g. number of zones and surfaces). A number of variants of this file have been deleted as users should modify the revised version if they wish to compile the source to support larger models. Additional Changes ------------------ - Many additional changes have been made that are transparent to the user. Information on these, as well as further details on all the above-mentioned changes, can be found in ESP-r Central's change log by providing the following URL to your web browser: https://esp-r.net/vvc/espr/esp-r/branches/development_branch. From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Jun 11 08:38:23 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:38:23 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: ESP-r 11.6 and Radiance in Cygwin In-Reply-To: <000001c9e5c3$e7c1a1e0$b744e5a0$@geissler@intergga.ch> References: <78B14BBA2B77DF4186B975430E16648B0D0F78@mail3.byg.dtu.dk>, <000001c9e5c3$e7c1a1e0$b744e5a0$@geissler@intergga.ch> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4137015003530@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> One of the Radiance related packages that ESP-r uses during some assessments driven by the e2r module is a package called gendaylit. This does the Perez sky model. I found that the package that I had downloaded from the Radiance site some time ago needed to be patched to reflect the location (/usr/local/bin) where Radiance tends to be installed on Linux and OSX and Cygwin boxes. There is also a small patch for a clash in a macro name which happens on some computers. I have compiled this on OSX under GCC as well as on Ubuntu 8.04 with no errors. It should probably work on Cygwin. If someone wants this tar file with the patches I can send it to you. It might be worth considering whether we should include this on the ESRU download page under a helpers section or even to add it into the subversion repository. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Achim Geissler [achim.geissler at intergga.ch] Sent: 05 June 2009 10:56 To: 'Christian Anker Hviid'; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: ESP-r 11.6 and Radiance in Cygwin Dear Christian there does seem to be a bug in the current ESP-r version. The path to /rad subdirectory is hard-coded to ../rad. If you start ESP-r in the /cfg subdirectory, it should work (at least it does for me). Starting ESP-r in any other directory leads to the error messages you gave. Achim -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Christian Anker Hviid Sent: Freitag, 5. Juni 2009 11:06 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r 11.6 and Radiance in Cygwin Hello ESP-r community I am trying to use ESP-r/Radiance. I have tried ESP-r/Radiance from the Learnix boot-CD (version 11.5) and it works ok. However when I use version 11.6 in Cygwin, install precompiled Radiance from Bozzograo.net and set my PATH, ESP-r is unable to generate the sky description file giving me a number of errors like 'no such file or directory', hence obstructing any visualization. Obviously something is not placed in or does not point to the right directory. The visualization module has been changed from version 11.5 to 11.6, so maybe it's a glitch introduced in 11.6 or is there another explanation? Radiance works flawlessly. Best regards Christian Anker Hviid Industrial PhD candidate DTU Byg Technical University of Denmark Brovej, building 118 DK-2800 Lyngby Phone DTU: +45 4525 1886 Phone Alectia: +45 8819 1365 Mail: cah at byg.dtu.dk _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Jun 12 08:34:09 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:34:09 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r workshops after IBPSA 09, ESP-r community meeting and coding workshop Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4137015003538@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Those of you who are planning on attending the IPBSA 09 Conference in Glasgow might want to know that there are several ESP-r related events. On the Thursday afternoon and Friday at the end of the conference (30-31 July) there will be an ESP-r introductory workshop. This will be a great chance for an overview of the 11.7 version and to talk with the experts. On the Saturday (1 August) there will be a one day workshop on the design, creation and use of air flow networks. Learn from those who have created hundreds of flow networks and leverage your models to deal with natural and hybrid ventilation! See the conference web site www.bs2009.org.uk for more details on the venu and the costs. Note: it is possible to sign up for the workshops even if you are not planning on attending the conference. We think that many will be interested in the Applications Day so check out the details, register on the web site and send an email to Jon Hand at the email address below. There will be an ESP-r Community meeting at lunch on Tuesday the 28th of July. We will be reviewing the current state of ESP-r and discussing its evolution. If you want to join in the discussions please contact Jon Hand. On the Monday after the conference there will be a coding workshop for those who would like to join the community of software developers. The management of source code control can be a challenge and this workshop will guide you through the maze. The coding workshop is free and if you want to join in please contact Jon Hand. Regards, Jon Hand, ESRU, University of Strathclyde jon at esru.strath.ac.uk From nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in Sun Jun 14 05:21:23 2009 From: nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in (NALIN SWAROOP) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 09:51:23 +0530 Subject: [esp-r] surface attributes for adjacent zones Message-ID: Hello all I have a 8 floor 43 zones building but the the problem is every time I try to to give the boundary conditions for zone adjacency(surface in another zone option) for one zone and then move on to next zone, after some time I check the boundary conditions for the previously defines zones, they are changed randomly to some other surfaces in some other zones and I am not able to correctly define boundary conditions and the topology vertex connection test gives me errors. Is there a prescribed method for defining adjacent zones?? TIA Nalin From nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in Sun Jun 14 05:37:53 2009 From: nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in (NALIN SWAROOP) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 10:07:53 +0530 Subject: [esp-r] surface attributes for adjacent zones keep changing Message-ID: Hello all I have a 8 floor 43 zones building but the the problem is every time I try to to give the boundary conditions for zone adjacency(surface in another zone option) for one zone and then move on to next zone, after some time I check the boundary conditions for the previously defines zones, they are changed randomly to some other surfaces in some other zones and I am not able to correctly define boundary conditions and the topology vertex connection test gives me errors. Is there a prescribed method for defining adjacent zones?? I have a similar problem to this one http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/2006/000104.html TIA Nalin From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Sun Jun 14 22:42:17 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:42:17 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: surface attributes for adjacent zones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413701500353F@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> There is an automated 'topology check' in the project manager that will scan thru all of the surfaces in your model and locate matches which meet certain kinds of geometric criteria (surface areas a close match, orientations, coordinates within a specified tolerance). For surfaces that is does not find a match for it will ask for your opinion. Your description seems to indicate that you are doing the linking definition one surface at a time (probably in the surface attribute menu). Surface by surface is a really slow way of doing this task. Your description also indicates that there might be a corruption of your model - the master list of surfaces in the model might not be matching the actual number of surfaces in each of the zones. There is a 'clear topology' option in the project manager which should be invoked and then you should run the topology check option. You should find a discussion of surface boundary conditions in the ESP-r Cookbook (available on the ESRU web page). -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of NALIN SWAROOP [nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in] Sent: 14 June 2009 05:21 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] surface attributes for adjacent zones Hello all I have a 8 floor 43 zones building but the the problem is every time I try to to give the boundary conditions for zone adjacency(surface in another zone option) for one zone and then move on to next zone, after some time I check the boundary conditions for the previously defines zones, they are changed randomly to some other surfaces in some other zones and I am not able to correctly define boundary conditions and the topology vertex connection test gives me errors. Is there a prescribed method for defining adjacent zones?? TIA Nalin _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From manzan at units.it Mon Jun 15 11:13:43 2009 From: manzan at units.it (Marco Manzan) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:13:43 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: surface attributes for adjacent zones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200906151213.43835.manzan@units.it> Alle domenica 14 giugno 2009, esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk ha scritto: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 09:51:23 +0530 > From: "NALIN SWAROOP" > Subject: [esp-r] surface attributes for adjacent zones > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 > > Hello all > > I have a 8 floor 43 zones building but the the problem is every time I try > to to give the boundary conditions for zone adjacency(surface in another > zone option) for one zone and then move on to next zone, after some time I > check the boundary conditions for the previously defines zones, they are > changed randomly to some other surfaces in some other zones and I am not > able to correctly define boundary conditions and the topology vertex > connection test gives me errors. Is there a prescribed method for defining > adjacent zones?? > > TIA > > Nalin > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 10:07:53 +0530 > From: "NALIN SWAROOP" > Subject: [esp-r] surface attributes for adjacent zones keep changing > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 > > Hello all > > I have a 8 floor 43 zones building but the the problem is every time I try > to to give the boundary conditions for zone adjacency(surface in another > zone option) for one zone and then move on to next zone, after some time I > check the boundary conditions for the previously defines zones, they are > changed randomly to some other surfaces in some other zones and I am not > able to correctly define boundary conditions and the topology vertex > connection test gives me errors. Is there a prescribed method for defining > adjacent zones?? > > I have a similar problem to this one > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/2006/000104.html > > TIA > > Nalin > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > End of esp-r Digest, Vol 35, Issue 7 > ************************************ I had some problems with topology checking too. I finally spotted a possible error in source code: in file esruprj/edonecon.F I changed the following lines in routine LINDIR logical close PI = 4.0 * ATAN(1.0) DIST=SQRT((X2-X1)**2+(Y2-Y1)**2+(Z2-Z1)**2) THETA=ASIN((Z2-Z1)/DIST) in with C C added a check on The value of ASIN argument C for some geometries the argument becomes greater then one the C result is THETA = NaN C ARG = (Z2-Z1)/DIST IF (abs(ARG) .LE. 1) THEN THETA=ASIN(ARG) ELSE THETA=SIGN(PI/2,ARG) ENDIF I hope this helps solving the topology problem. regards Marco -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria Navale, del Mare e per l'Ambiente | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Jun 15 12:30:59 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:30:59 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: release of ESP-r version 11.7 - Installer command line options Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4137015003542@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> This email question might be of interest to those who are attempting to build a fresh version of ESP-r version 11.7.... In response to the email below....the first was about whether or not to include the XML and the second was about an error during the compile process. The Install script has changed. It is not possible just to type in the comand "Install" you have to give it a few more parameters now. The error message in the 2nd screen shot said that gfortran was not found. The new installer defaults to an assumption that GCC is version 4.0 (or greater) and that you are using this version of the compiler set rather than the g77 gcc combination that was typical in the past. If you want to continue using the GCC 3.4 compiler set you have to include on the Install command line the extra token --gcc3 For more information give the command ./Install --help -Jon Hand ________________________________________ Subject: RE: [esp-r] release of ESP-r version 11.7 trying to install the new Version 11.7 I am running into a fatal error (see attached screen shots): As on my Linux-computer the libxml2 library is not installed, the experimental XML output should be disabled (see screenshot-1) and the installation of the new ESP-moduls should complete correctly - but as far as I can recognize, the disableXML executable can not be created (???) an the installation stops with a fatal error (see screenshot-2). I am not a UNIX-specialist - but what can I do to succeed in installing the new version 11.7 on my LINUX-computer ? From Leen.Peeters at mech.kuleuven.be Tue Jun 16 10:09:21 2009 From: Leen.Peeters at mech.kuleuven.be (Leen Peeters) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:09:21 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] daylight casual gains control Message-ID: dear, I was preparing a control file for daylight control, when I got stuck and no file was prepared. I was running in text mode and when trying to safe the file, it was not 'taking' the name and required for a name over and over again, till I finally closed the program. Casual Gain Control: Zone: reception Desc: no description supplied a control for daytypes b Control periods : 8 17 Lighting zones : 1 _______________________________________ c Lighting zone >> 1 d Control type : On-Off e Calculation type: Analytical DF f Control data : 500.0 1.5 0.1 0.1 0 g Photocell data: 1.0 1 Posn: x y z ux uy uz m 2.50 2.50 2.50 0.00 0.00 -1.00 ____________________________________ * add/ delete lighting zone ! list casual gain control information > save casual gain control information ? help - exit this menu Casual Gain Control:?> > (currently: reception.cgc) Zone casual gain control file ? reception.cgc (currently: reception.cgc) Zone casual gain control file ? - (currently: -) Zone casual gain control file ? reception.cgc (currently: reception.cgc) Zone casual gain control file ? reception.cgc (currently: reception.cgc) Zone casual gain control file ? reception.cgc (currently: reception.cgc) Zone casual gain control file ? reception.cgc (currently: reception.cgc) The part of the code that has to do with it is: 246 CALL EASKS(LTMP,' Zone casual gain control file ?', & ' ',72,DLCGCIN,'cgc control file',IER,5) IF(IER.NE.0)GOTO 246 IF(LTMP(1:2).NE.' ')THEN whcih is in esruprj/edcasctl.F line 188 However, a similar routine is to be found multiple times within the code (like bldsht.F line 79). Anyone a suggestion? Leen From Gunter.Pueltz at MuellerBBM.de Tue Jun 16 10:48:39 2009 From: Gunter.Pueltz at MuellerBBM.de (Pueltz, Gunter) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:48:39 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] New CFC in combination with timestep controller 4 ... ? Message-ID: Dear ESP-r developers, has the new and more accurate Complex Fenestration Construction ever been tested in combination with timestep controller 4 (several iterations at the same timestep), which is usefull for modelling the air exchange between several zones within a building and the ambient air (natural ventilation by openable windows) ? I tried the new CFC and succeeded in a standard simulation; but I ran into problems by using timestep controller 4 (6 timesteps per hour and even 6 iterations per timestep, Underrelaxing by RELAX = 0.25) .... What might be the reason ... ? Regards, Gunter ------------------- Dr. Gunter P?ltz M?ller-BBM GmbH Robert-Koch-Stra?e 11 82152 Planegg Telefon +49(89)85602-336 Telefax +49(89)85602-111 E-Mail Gunter.Pueltz at MuellerBBM.de http://www.MuellerBBM.de HRB M?nchen 86143 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Bernd Gr?zinger, Dr. Edwin Schorer, Norbert Suritsch From Gunter.Pueltz at MuellerBBM.de Tue Jun 16 16:08:37 2009 From: Gunter.Pueltz at MuellerBBM.de (Pueltz, Gunter) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:08:37 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] How to control a shading layer in a CFC ? Message-ID: Dear ESP-r developers, after successfull implemetation of a CFC into my simulation model and after runing a summer simulation successfully, I am facing following problem with CFC: Within the construction menu I can define a control for a TMC, e.g. as a function of incident global radiation. But I have not yet found how to define a similar control for closing/opening the shading layer of a CFC ....? In Appendix F of Lomanowski?s Phd-thesis I have found no instructions for installing a shading control .... Any hints appreciated ;-) Regards, Gunter ------------------- Dr. Gunter P?ltz M?ller-BBM GmbH Robert-Koch-Stra?e 11 82152 Planegg Telefon +49(89)85602-336 Telefax +49(89)85602-111 E-Mail Gunter.Pueltz at MuellerBBM.de http://www.MuellerBBM.de HRB M?nchen 86143 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Bernd Gr?zinger, Dr. Edwin Schorer, Norbert Suritsch From blomanow at engmail.uwaterloo.ca Tue Jun 16 18:46:16 2009 From: blomanow at engmail.uwaterloo.ca (Bart Lomanowski) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:46:16 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Re: How to control a shading layer in a CFC? / timestep controller 4 problem Message-ID: <20090616134616.19811qoddl22xsw0@www.nexusmail.uwaterloo.ca> Hello Gunter, To address your questions: > after successfull implemetation of a CFC into my simulation model > and after runing a summer simulation successfully, I am facing > following problem with CFC: > > Within the construction menu I can define a control for > a TMC, e.g. as a function of incident global radiation. > > But I have not yet found how to define a similar control > for closing/opening the shading layer of a CFC ....? > In Appendix F of Lomanowski?s Phd-thesis I have found no > instructions for installing a shading control .... Control of CFCs has not yet been implemented in the main ESP-r release. I am currently working on a control facility which will behave much like the other control domains. It should be in development branch in the next couple of months. This is what will really make the CFC a powerful tool. In the mean time, I'm afraid you are stuck with a static shade (unless you want to hard code a control routine - I can point you in the right direction if you like). > has the new and more accurate Complex Fenestration Construction > ever been tested in combination with timestep controller 4 > (several iterations at the same timestep), which is usefull > for modelling the air exchange between several zones within a > building and the ambient air (natural ventilation by openable windows) ? > > I tried the new CFC and succeeded in a standard simulation; but > I ran into problems by using timestep controller 4 (6 timesteps > per hour and even 6 iterations per timestep, Underrelaxing by > RELAX = 0.25) .... > > What might be the reason ... ? I havn't spent much time testing with timestep controller 4 although the models that I've been running seem to work fine with a combination of 6 timesteps per hour and 6 iterations per timestep. These models are relatively simple and do not include air-flow networks. You will find that underrelaxing probably won't solve your problem. The complex resistance networks of glazing/shading combinations in CFCs are resolved with source fluxes which are lagged (this is due to limitations with ESP-r's matrix paritioning). No matter how underrelaxed the formulation is, these source terms always push the solution towards the explicit side. If the solution blows up, it's most likely due to the shade layer. One way to improve convergence is to assign more thermal mass to the shade layer. Section 4.3 in my thesis explains this more clearly (it's a short section ;). If you send me your model I will be happy to take a look. It's impossible for me to cover all the scenarios so I appreciate community feedback on CFCs. Regards, Bart From milan.janak at stuba.sk Wed Jun 17 04:28:24 2009 From: milan.janak at stuba.sk (Milan Janak) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 05:28:24 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Floor cooling case study In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear ESP-r community, anybody aware of an application of large area floor cooling in for example shopping malls? Best regards, Milan Janak. From kabele at fsv.cvut.cz Wed Jun 17 14:39:48 2009 From: kabele at fsv.cvut.cz (Karel Kabele) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:39:48 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Floor cooling case study In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000501c9ef51$165a0ec0$430e2c40$@cvut.cz> Dear Milan, we have model of ceiling embeddded capilary mats used for cooling and heating.... Maybe could be usefull. Regards Karel Kabele ------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Milan Janak Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 5:28 AM To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Floor cooling case study Dear ESP-r community, anybody aware of an application of large area floor cooling in for example shopping malls? Best regards, Milan Janak. _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r __________ Informace od ESET NOD32 Antivirus, verze databaze 4160 (20090616) __________ Tuto zpravu proveril ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.cz __________ Informace od ESET NOD32 Antivirus, verze databaze 4162 (20090617) __________ Tuto zpravu proveril ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.cz __________ Informace od ESET NOD32 Antivirus, verze databaze 4162 (20090617) __________ Tuto zpravu proveril ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.cz From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Jun 18 21:31:52 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:31:52 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Warning on the use of software uninstall facility for ESP-r on Windows XP Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4137015003556@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> We had a email from a user who was running ESP-r on Windows XP and used the XP software removal process to remove ESP-r. This seems to have caused some loss of files on the users machine. One specific about this is that they had re-defined their HOMEPATH environment variable to point to C:\Esru\models. There is some thought that this definition was the cause. Exercise care if you try to remove ESP-r via the standard XP facility. To determine if this is an issue that needs a warning in the installer we would be interested to hear whether anyone else experienced difficulties with their computers after uninstalling ESP-r. Regards, Jon Hand From nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in Mon Jun 22 14:51:55 2009 From: nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in (NALIN SWAROOP) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:21:55 +0530 Subject: [esp-r] esp-r simulation and results viewing time Message-ID: <2c4339546d8e4807212b17294c1d20ed.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> hello all I have modeled a 43 zone/8 storey building and currently trying to simulate its cooling load and temperature characteristics with variation of parameters such as glazing type, orientation, construction type, infiltration etc. Now the problem is when I save the results with save level 4 it takes around 30 min to generate the result file and the file size is around 1150 MB(1.15GB) which is quite large, now when I try to view the results the "res" viewing facility takes too much time to open and hangs frequently while viewing results, is this because of the file size?? I have a pentium4 D with 3.00Ghz and 1 GB ram. I also tried the result level 1 and 6 these also took around 30 min for simulation and "res" works a little faster but hangs frequently. All I want for my results is the cooling load for 5 zones which are conditioned(I want monthly cooling load) and hourly temperature values for all the zones which result save level is best for these outputs?? Regards Nalin From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Mon Jun 22 15:27:24 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:27:24 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: esp-r simulation and results viewing time In-Reply-To: <2c4339546d8e4807212b17294c1d20ed.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> References: <2c4339546d8e4807212b17294c1d20ed.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> Message-ID: <000001c9f345$937940e0$ba6bc2a0$@geissler@intergga.ch> Dear Nalin try the XML output option. This generates text files, which you can load into any spreadsheet or similar (e.g. technical plotting) program. What you need is an input.xml file (see attachment for an example) in the directory from which you call esp-r. Then, run a short simulation and a file "out.dictionary" should have been generated. In this, you can see all variables available for output ("out.xml" is summary data, "out.csv" is timestep data). Edit the input.xml accordingly and then do your actual simulation. Regards Achim -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of NALIN SWAROOP Sent: Montag, 22. Juni 2009 15:52 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] esp-r simulation and results viewing time hello all I have modeled a 43 zone/8 storey building and currently trying to simulate its cooling load and temperature characteristics with variation of parameters such as glazing type, orientation, construction type, infiltration etc. Now the problem is when I save the results with save level 4 it takes around 30 min to generate the result file and the file size is around 1150 MB(1.15GB) which is quite large, now when I try to view the results the "res" viewing facility takes too much time to open and hangs frequently while viewing results, is this because of the file size?? I have a pentium4 D with 3.00Ghz and 1 GB ram. I also tried the result level 1 and 6 these also took around 30 min for simulation and "res" works a little faster but hangs frequently. All I want for my results is the cooling load for 5 zones which are conditioned(I want monthly cooling load) and hourly temperature values for all the zones which result save level is best for these outputs?? Regards Nalin _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Takes less space/time and includes the results that you want. Save level 2 also has monthly values if I remember correctly (if you use the csv timestep output of save level 5 then you need to calculate the monthly values by yourself by using Excel) Best regards, Georgios ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Achim Geissler [achim.geissler at intergga.ch] Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 3:27 PM To: 'NALIN SWAROOP'; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: esp-r simulation and results viewing time Dear Nalin try the XML output option. This generates text files, which you can load into any spreadsheet or similar (e.g. technical plotting) program. What you need is an input.xml file (see attachment for an example) in the directory from which you call esp-r. Then, run a short simulation and a file "out.dictionary" should have been generated. In this, you can see all variables available for output ("out.xml" is summary data, "out.csv" is timestep data). Edit the input.xml accordingly and then do your actual simulation. Regards Achim -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of NALIN SWAROOP Sent: Montag, 22. Juni 2009 15:52 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] esp-r simulation and results viewing time hello all I have modeled a 43 zone/8 storey building and currently trying to simulate its cooling load and temperature characteristics with variation of parameters such as glazing type, orientation, construction type, infiltration etc. Now the problem is when I save the results with save level 4 it takes around 30 min to generate the result file and the file size is around 1150 MB(1.15GB) which is quite large, now when I try to view the results the "res" viewing facility takes too much time to open and hangs frequently while viewing results, is this because of the file size?? I have a pentium4 D with 3.00Ghz and 1 GB ram. I also tried the result level 1 and 6 these also took around 30 min for simulation and "res" works a little faster but hangs frequently. All I want for my results is the cooling load for 5 zones which are conditioned(I want monthly cooling load) and hourly temperature values for all the zones which result save level is best for these outputs?? Regards Nalin _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From ptavares at mail.isec.pt Mon Jun 22 15:46:48 2009 From: ptavares at mail.isec.pt (Paulo Tavares) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:46:48 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] printf broken error... Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20090622153843.017f1850@pop.isec.pt> Hi all! I have compiled the latest version of ESP-r (11.7) without any errors.I?m using the recommended compilers. But now, when i tried to open an example occur this error: paulo at paulo-laptop:~$ esp-r paulo at paulo-laptop:~$ At line 2965 of file esru_lib.F Internal Error: printf is broken Another error happens when i try to create a new project: paulo at paulo-laptop:~$ esp-r paulo at paulo-laptop:~$ espokbox selected id iw 2 2 espokbox selected id iw 2 2 At line 375 of file esru_libGTK.F Internal Error: printf is broken What could be the reason for these errors? I think that they are related... Regards, Paulo Tavares -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090622/5414b4e7/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Jun 22 16:05:48 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:05:48 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: printf broken error... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20090622153843.017f1850@pop.isec.pt> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20090622153843.017f1850@pop.isec.pt> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413701500355E@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A recent question about printf... ________________________________________ I have compiled the latest version of ESP-r (11.7) without any errors.I?m using the recommended compilers. But now, when i tried to open an example occur this error: paulo at paulo-laptop:~$ esp-r paulo at paulo-laptop:~$ At line 2965 of file esru_lib.F Internal Error: printf is broken Another error happens when i try to create a new project: paulo at paulo-laptop:~$ esp-r paulo at paulo-laptop:~$ espokbox selected id iw 2 2 espokbox selected id iw 2 2 At line 375 of file esru_libGTK.F Internal Error: printf is broken What could be the reason for these errors? I think that they are related... ------------------------------------------------- This might be related to the version of the operating system and the compiler which was used. Can you supply the following information: a) Operating system and version b) Compiler (C and C++ and Fortran) and version numbers c) the parameters used when invoking ./Install -Jon Hand From ptavares at mail.isec.pt Mon Jun 22 16:42:47 2009 From: ptavares at mail.isec.pt (Paulo Tavares) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:42:47 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: printf broken error... In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413701500355E@E2K7-MS2.ds.str ath.ac.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20090622153843.017f1850@pop.isec.pt> <5.1.0.14.0.20090622153843.017f1850@pop.isec.pt> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20090622164006.017c1978@pop.isec.pt> Hi Jon. Answering your questions: a) Operating system and version Ubunbtu 8.10 b) Compiler (C and C++ and Fortran) and version numbers g++ v 4.3.1 gcc v 4.3.1-1ubunbtu2 gfortran v 4.3.1 c) the parameters used when invoking ./Install ./install -d /usr/esru90 Regards, Paulo Tavares At 16:05 22-06-2009 +0100, Jon Hand wrote: >A recent question about printf... >________________________________________ > >I have compiled the latest version of ESP-r (11.7) without any errors.I?m >using the recommended compilers. But now, when i tried to open an example >occur this error: > >paulo at paulo-laptop:~$ esp-r >paulo at paulo-laptop:~$ At line 2965 of file esru_lib.F >Internal Error: printf is broken > >Another error happens when i try to create a new project: > >paulo at paulo-laptop:~$ esp-r >paulo at paulo-laptop:~$ espokbox selected id iw 2 2 > espokbox selected id iw 2 2 >At line 375 of file esru_libGTK.F >Internal Error: printf is broken > >What could be the reason for these errors? I think that they are related... > >------------------------------------------------- > >This might be related to the version of the operating system and the >compiler which was used. Can you supply the following information: > >a) Operating system and version >b) Compiler (C and C++ and Fortran) and version numbers >c) the parameters used when invoking ./Install > >-Jon Hand > >_______________________________________________ >esp-r mailing list >esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Jun 22 17:37:31 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:37:31 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: printf broken error... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20090622164006.017c1978@pop.isec.pt> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20090622153843.017f1850@pop.isec.pt> <5.1.0.14.0.20090622153843.017f1850@pop.isec.pt>, <5.1.0.14.0.20090622164006.017c1978@pop.isec.pt> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4137015003560@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> About a compile/run error.... The issue might be that you did not include the --gcc4 option when invoking ./Install Also, be sure to give a 'make clean' command before issuing the ./Install command to ensure that all the old object files are removed. Because 4.3.1 is a relatively new version of the GCC compiler it might be that this is causing an issue that does not show up with version 4.1.2. Yesterday both the X11 and GTK versions were compiled with the GCC that comes with Ubuntu 9,04 and with the GCC that comes with Ubunut 8.04 and both seemed to be working ok so it might be specific to your computer. Did prior versions of ESP-r work on this computer? -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: Paulo Tavares [ptavares at mail.isec.pt] Sent: 22 June 2009 16:42 To: Jon Hand; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: printf broken error... Hi Jon. Answering your questions: a) Operating system and version Ubunbtu 8.10 b) Compiler (C and C++ and Fortran) and version numbers g++ v 4.3.1 gcc v 4.3.1-1ubunbtu2 gfortran v 4.3.1 c) the parameters used when invoking ./Install ./install -d /usr/esru90 Regards, Paulo Tavares At 16:05 22-06-2009 +0100, Jon Hand wrote: >A recent question about printf... >________________________________________ > >I have compiled the latest version of ESP-r (11.7) without any errors.I?m >using the recommended compilers. But now, when i tried to open an example >occur this error: > >paulo at paulo-laptop:~$ esp-r >paulo at paulo-laptop:~$ At line 2965 of file esru_lib.F >Internal Error: printf is broken > >Another error happens when i try to create a new project: > >paulo at paulo-laptop:~$ esp-r >paulo at paulo-laptop:~$ espokbox selected id iw 2 2 > espokbox selected id iw 2 2 >At line 375 of file esru_libGTK.F >Internal Error: printf is broken > >What could be the reason for these errors? I think that they are related... > >------------------------------------------------- > >This might be related to the version of the operating system and the >compiler which was used. Can you supply the following information: > >a) Operating system and version >b) Compiler (C and C++ and Fortran) and version numbers >c) the parameters used when invoking ./Install > >-Jon Hand > >_______________________________________________ >esp-r mailing list >esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From manzan at units.it Mon Jun 22 23:18:23 2009 From: manzan at units.it (Marco Manzan) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 00:18:23 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: printf broken error... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200906230018.23644.manzan@units.it> Alle luned? 22 giugno 2009, esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk ha scritto: > Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:46:48 +0100 > From: Paulo Tavares > Subject: [esp-r] ?printf broken error... > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20090622153843.017f1850 at pop.isec.pt> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hi all! > > I have compiled the latest version of ESP-r (11.7) without any errors.I?m > using the recommended compilers. But now, when i tried to open an example > occur this error: > > paulo at paulo-laptop:~$ esp-r > paulo at paulo-laptop:~$ At line 2965 of file esru_lib.F > Internal Error: printf is broken > > Another error happens when i try to create a new project: > > paulo at paulo-laptop:~$ esp-r > paulo at paulo-laptop:~$ ?espokbox selected id iw ? ? ? ? ? ?2 ? ? ? ? ? 2 > ? espokbox selected id iw ? ? ? ? ? ?2 ? ? ? ? ? 2 > At line 375 of file esru_libGTK.F > Internal Error: printf is broken > > What could be the reason for these errors? I think that they are related... > > Regards, > > Paulo Tavares Hi Paulo I've found the same error, If I remember well I solved it by setting the locale before launching the program. In the shell try setting the LC_NUMERIC variable: export LC_NUMERIC=C I think the problem is due to the internationalization libraries, I have to set this variable, otherwise in italian locale the decimal separator is comma character "," and not the point "." as is supposed to be in esp-r. I don't know if it is true for portogues locale too. I hope this could help you regards, Marco -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria Navale, del Mare e per l'Ambiente | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| From lp_1976 at hotmail.com Tue Jun 23 00:08:25 2009 From: lp_1976 at hotmail.com (luis prazeres) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 00:08:25 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: ESP-r developers' meeting at Building Simulation 2009 References: <004601c9d559$95384bb0$bfa8e310$@carleton.ca> Message-ID: Dear Ian, I would like to attend the meeting. My suggestions are: 1. IPV-report outputs 2. Models in VRML format 3. Databases & XML/XSL file formats to store & convert data sets Please send me the final agenda. Many thanks. Dr Luis Prazeres, ESRU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Beausoleil-Morrison" To: ; Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 1:35 PM Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r developers' meeting at Building Simulation 2009 > Dear All, > > The upcoming Building Simulation 2009 conference in Glasgow provides a rare > opportunity for the dispersed ESP-r development community to meet > face-to-face. We'd like to take this opportunity to discuss a number of > important issues relevant to ongoing and future development of ESP-r. > Agenda items will include: > * Coordination of major developments. > * ESP-r version 12. > * Frequency of release cycle. > * Supported hardware, OS's, and compilers. > * Accelerating pre-release testing. > > All current and future ESP-r developers are welcome to attend and > participate. The gathering will be held during the conference's lunch break > on the Tuesday (July 28). Reply if you plan to attend so that you will be > on the mailing list that receives the final agenda, room location, and other > logistical information. Please forward any suggestions for agenda items. > > Regards, > - Ian > > Ian Beausoleil-Morrison, Ph.D., P.Eng. > Associate Professor and Canada Research Chair > Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering > Carleton University > > 1125 Colonel By Drive > Ottawa, Ontario, Canada > K1S 5B6 > > Ian_Beausoleil-Morrison at carleton.ca > +1 (613) 520-2600 ext 3022 (telephone) > +1 (613) 520-5715 (facsimile) > www.mae.carleton.ca/maehtmls/beausoleil.html > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in Tue Jun 23 09:37:48 2009 From: nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in (NALIN SWAROOP) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:07:48 +0530 Subject: [esp-r] Re: esp-r simulation and results viewing time In-Reply-To: <15250AE5A201354287B3F9354F38B6FC9674F4B828@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <2c4339546d8e4807212b17294c1d20ed.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in>, <000001c9f345$937940e0$ba6bc2a0$@geissler@intergga.ch> <15250AE5A201354287B3F9354F38B6FC9674F4B828@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <7121f3bacec9470f20b3adf4c4efa3e4.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> I have simulated using save level 1 and the file size is around 106 MB but still if I try to view the results the "res" program hangs frequently I also tried to generate output grt files(and not view the results on screen) but "res" hangs and nothing is written in the grt file. Regards Nalin From aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk Tue Jun 23 11:59:06 2009 From: aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk (Aizaz Samuel) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:59:06 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: ESP-r developers' meeting at Building Simulation 2009 In-Reply-To: References: <004601c9d559$95384bb0$bfa8e310$@carleton.ca> Message-ID: <200906231159.06306.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> Luis, It might be a good idea to bring along some illustrations of the power of the I2PV tool. I would be interested in integrating it (again) into ESP-r and maybe we can talk about it when you are here for the conference. Cheers, Aizaz On Tuesday 23 June 2009 00:08, luis prazeres wrote: > Dear Ian, > > I would like to attend the meeting. My suggestions are: > 1. IPV-report outputs > 2. Models in VRML format > 3. Databases & XML/XSL file formats to store & convert data sets > > Please send me the final agenda. > > Many thanks. > Dr Luis Prazeres, ESRU > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian Beausoleil-Morrison" > To: ; > Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 1:35 PM > Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r developers' meeting at Building Simulation 2009 > > > Dear All, > > > > The upcoming Building Simulation 2009 conference in Glasgow provides a > > rare > > > opportunity for the dispersed ESP-r development community to meet > > face-to-face. We'd like to take this opportunity to discuss a number of > > important issues relevant to ongoing and future development of ESP-r. > > Agenda items will include: > > * Coordination of major developments. > > * ESP-r version 12. > > * Frequency of release cycle. > > * Supported hardware, OS's, and compilers. > > * Accelerating pre-release testing. > > > > All current and future ESP-r developers are welcome to attend and > > participate. The gathering will be held during the conference's lunch > > break > > > on the Tuesday (July 28). Reply if you plan to attend so that you will > > be on the mailing list that receives the final agenda, room location, and > > other > > > logistical information. Please forward any suggestions for agenda items. > > > > Regards, > > - Ian > > > > Ian Beausoleil-Morrison, Ph.D., P.Eng. > > Associate Professor and Canada Research Chair > > Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering > > Carleton University > > > > 1125 Colonel By Drive > > Ottawa, Ontario, Canada > > K1S 5B6 > > > > Ian_Beausoleil-Morrison at carleton.ca > > +1 (613) 520-2600 ext 3022 (telephone) > > +1 (613) 520-5715 (facsimile) > > www.mae.carleton.ca/maehtmls/beausoleil.html > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- ---- > > > _______________________________________________ > > esp-r mailing list > > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Jun 23 12:00:54 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:00:54 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: esp-r simulation and results viewing time In-Reply-To: <7121f3bacec9470f20b3adf4c4efa3e4.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> References: <2c4339546d8e4807212b17294c1d20ed.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in>, <000001c9f345$937940e0$ba6bc2a0$@geissler@intergga.ch> <15250AE5A201354287B3F9354F38B6FC9674F4B828@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk>, <7121f3bacec9470f20b3adf4c4efa3e4.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4137015003564@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> This is one of the few reports we have had of res 'hanging frequently'. We would like to determine if this is related to a specific Operating System/Machine type/ compiler/source version combination. Can the original poster please supply the following information: a) Operating System b) Compilers used and their version c) The command parameters used in the ./Install d) messages issued by the application that crashed. The results analysis application has been used successfully with results files greater than 1GB. There is an upper limit to the file size where results are somewhat more risky. Our current view is that this is around 1.5GB. The usual approach to large results sets is to define a so-called integrated performance view based on several assessments rather than a single results file - e.g. 5 assessments (one for each season) will result in smaller results file sizes. The other tactic is to not simulate every day of the season but a typical week in each season and then scale the results. Again the integrated performance view can handle this scaling. ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of NALIN SWAROOP [nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in] Sent: 23 June 2009 09:37 To: Georgios Kokogiannakis Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; 'NALIN SWAROOP'; Achim Geissler Subject: [esp-r] Re: esp-r simulation and results viewing time I have simulated using save level 1 and the file size is around 106 MB but still if I try to view the results the "res" program hangs frequently I also tried to generate output grt files(and not view the results on screen) but "res" hangs and nothing is written in the grt file. Regards Nalin _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From ptavares at mail.isec.pt Tue Jun 23 17:01:47 2009 From: ptavares at mail.isec.pt (Paulo Tavares) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:01:47 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: printf broken error... In-Reply-To: <200906230018.23644.manzan@units.it> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20090623165130.017c23e8@pop.isec.pt> Thank you Marco. I solve the errors with your information. In Portugal the decimal separator is also the comma character "," and not the point ".". But another error happens... When i try to change the climate file: At line 2615 of file esru_libGTK.F Fortran runtime error: End of record Do you think that the reason is the same? Jon i compiled again the source code with ./Install -d usr/esru90 --gcc4 but the errors still continue...(no errors in compilation). I solved the problem with Marco's information. Now my problem is the one i reported. Can anyone help me? Regards, Paulo Tavares At 00:18 23-06-2009 +0200, Marco Manzan wrote: >Alle luned? 22 giugno 2009, esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk ha scritto: > > Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:46:48 +0100 > > From: Paulo Tavares > > Subject: [esp-r] printf broken error... > > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20090622153843.017f1850 at pop.isec.pt> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > Hi all! > > > > I have compiled the latest version of ESP-r (11.7) without any errors.I?m > > using the recommended compilers. But now, when i tried to open an example > > occur this error: > > > > paulo at paulo-laptop:~$ esp-r > > paulo at paulo-laptop:~$ At line 2965 of file esru_lib.F > > Internal Error: printf is broken > > > > Another error happens when i try to create a new project: > > > > paulo at paulo-laptop:~$ esp-r > > paulo at paulo-laptop:~$ espokbox selected id iw 2 2 > > espokbox selected id iw 2 2 > > At line 375 of file esru_libGTK.F > > Internal Error: printf is broken > > > > What could be the reason for these errors? I think that they are related... > > > > Regards, > > > > Paulo Tavares > >Hi Paulo > >I've found the same error, If I remember well I solved it by setting the >locale before launching the program. In the shell try setting the LC_NUMERIC >variable: > >export LC_NUMERIC=C > >I think the problem is due to the internationalization libraries, I have to >set this variable, otherwise in italian locale the decimal separator is comma >character "," and not the point "." as is supposed to be in esp-r. I don't >know if it is true for portogues locale too. > >I hope this could help you > >regards, > >Marco > >-- > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >|Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | >|Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | >|Dipartimento di Ingegneria Navale, del Mare e per l'Ambiente | >|Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | >|piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | >|_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| > >_______________________________________________ >esp-r mailing list >esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090623/d0d6f63b/attachment-0001.html From manzan at units.it Tue Jun 23 19:48:16 2009 From: manzan at units.it (Marco Manzan) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:48:16 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: printf broken error... Message-ID: <200906232048.16966.manzan@units.it> Alle marted? 23 giugno 2009, hai scritto: > Thank you Marco. > > I solve the errors with your information. In Portugal the decimal separator > is also the comma character "," and not the point ".". > > But another error happens... When i try to change the climate file: > > At line 2615 of file esru_libGTK.F > Fortran runtime error: End of record > > Do you think that the reason is the same? > > Jon i compiled again the source code with ./Install -d usr/esru90 --gcc4 > but the errors still continue...(no errors in compilation). I solved the > problem with Marco's information. > > Now my problem is the one i reported. Can anyone help me? > > Regards, > > Paulo Tavares > > At 00:18 23-06-2009 +0200, Marco Manzan wrote: > >Alle luned? 22 giugno 2009, esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk ha scritto: > > > Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:46:48 +0100 > > > From: Paulo Tavares > > > Subject: [esp-r] printf broken error... > > > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > > Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20090622153843.017f1850 at pop.isec.pt> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > > > > Hi all! > > > > > > I have compiled the latest version of ESP-r (11.7) without any > > > errors.I?m using the recommended compilers. But now, when i tried to > > > open an example occur this error: > > > > > > paulo at paulo-laptop:~$ esp-r > > > paulo at paulo-laptop:~$ At line 2965 of file esru_lib.F > > > Internal Error: printf is broken > > > > > > Another error happens when i try to create a new project: > > > > > > paulo at paulo-laptop:~$ esp-r > > > paulo at paulo-laptop:~$ espokbox selected id iw 2 2 > > > espokbox selected id iw 2 2 > > > At line 375 of file esru_libGTK.F > > > Internal Error: printf is broken > > > > > > What could be the reason for these errors? I think that they are > > > related... > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Paulo Tavares > > > >Hi Paulo > > > >I've found the same error, If I remember well I solved it by setting the > >locale before launching the program. In the shell try setting the > > LC_NUMERIC variable: > > > >export LC_NUMERIC=C > > > >I think the problem is due to the internationalization libraries, I have > > to set this variable, otherwise in italian locale the decimal separator > > is comma character "," and not the point "." as is supposed to be in > > esp-r. I don't know if it is true for portogues locale too. > > > >I hope this could help you > > > >regards, > > > >Marco > > > >-- > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > > > >|Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | > >|Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | > >|Dipartimento di Ingegneria Navale, del Mare e per l'Ambiente | > >|Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | > >|piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | > >|_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| > > > >_______________________________________________ > >esp-r mailing list > >esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > >http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r no I don't think it is due to the same problem, at line 2615 a message is written to a character string "prompt" and the error means that the lenght of the strin,g 144 characters, is not enough to contain the information. Pheraps your directory tree or the names are so long that the message is too long. you can try to modify the length of "prompt" variable at line 2558 or to shorten file names. hope this helps Marco -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria Navale, del Mare e per l'Ambiente | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| From hwan at dasskorea.com Wed Jun 24 07:08:11 2009 From: hwan at dasskorea.com (=?EUC-KR?B?sei5zsiv?=) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:08:11 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] comparing simulation result and actual usage data concerning double skin facade Message-ID: Hello all! We are searching for any public reports, studies, or paper on comparing simulation result and actual usage data concerning double skin facade. In korea, because both simulation and double skin facade are relatively recent technologies, it seems there's not much accumulated information on this issue. If you have some advice on this issue, feel free to share with us. Thank you in advance. Mark -- Researcher, Integrated Simulation Team, DASS consultants Ltd. 632-9 Guui 1(il)-dong Gwangjin-gu Seoul (143-834 Korea) T. 82.2.913.2585/ F. 82.2.949.2585/ H. www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090624/e2b93c1d/attachment.html From lzytongji at yahoo.com.cn Thu Jun 25 08:45:33 2009 From: lzytongji at yahoo.com.cn (=?utf-8?B?5p2O5b+X6Iux?=) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:45:33 +0800 (CST) Subject: [esp-r] actuator action? Message-ID: <516417.57419.qm@web15906.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> Hi, ? ??? What?is the mean of??"actuator" in Zone control? There are only two choice: a at current zone air point b mix of convection and radiation ? How to determine the action of "actuator' ? And "Actuator" is an abstract?object or not? ? Thanks? ___________________________________________________________ ????????????????? http://card.mail.cn.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090625/b1400513/attachment.html From nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in Thu Jun 25 09:41:47 2009 From: nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in (NALIN SWAROOP) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:11:47 +0530 Subject: [esp-r] pressure coeffcient calculation error Message-ID: Hello all I am trying to calculate the pressure coefficients from esp-r but every time a enter a coordinate for calculation and try to calculate the coeff. and then enter it to a new database it gives me the following error failed in ../zones1floor_e.geo conversion of no. press item value in -1.00 In ..zones/1floor_e.geo error reading press db ln1 EOF sensed Why is it opening the geometry file?? What can be the problem?? Regards Nalin From nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in Thu Jun 25 09:49:42 2009 From: nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in (NALIN SWAROOP) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:19:42 +0530 Subject: [esp-r] pressure coeffcient calculation error Message-ID: Hello all I am trying to calculate pressure coeff. values using esp-r and then adding it to a new database but every time a define a coordinate and try to calculate the pressure coeff. it gives me the following error. Failed in.../zones/1floor.geo conversion of no. pressure item value in -0.100 In ..zones/1floor.geo error reading press db ln1 EOF sensed What can be the problem and why is trying this in geometry file?? Regards Nalin From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Jun 25 12:12:26 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:12:26 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: pressure coeffcient calculation error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4137016534184@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A recent question about pressure coefficient calculations... ________________________________________ I am trying to calculate pressure coeff. values using esp-r and then adding it to a new database but every time a define a coordinate and try to calculate the pressure coeff. it gives me the following error. Failed in.../zones/1floor.geo conversion of no. pressure item value in -0.100 In ..zones/1floor.geo error reading press db ln1 EOF sensed What can be the problem and why is trying this in geometry file?? __________________________________________ The code for calculating pressure coefficients has not been updated so that a low level read failure is reporting an incorrect file name where the error was trapped. To reproduce the specific error we would need you to describe EVERY one of the parameters you were attempting to use in the calculation. Including the dimension of the building and facade and the point on the facade (assuming you are attempting to use the CPCALC method). A sketch would also be useful. The message does not make it clear - please confirm whether you were attempting to use the CPCALC method or a different part of the ESP-r interface. One option, if you are only attempting to insert pre-calculated values into an exisiting pressure coefficients database is to edit this file with a text editor (it is a simple format). -Jon Hand From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Jun 25 12:14:04 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:14:04 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: actuator action? In-Reply-To: <516417.57419.qm@web15906.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> References: <516417.57419.qm@web15906.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4137016534185@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> For a description of ideal control in ESP-r a good source is the ESP-r Cookbook which is available on the ESRU web site in the ESP-r downloads area : software -> esp-r -> beginners guide Ideal zone control actuators are abstract - they define where heating or cooling is injected but do not define the physical attributes of the device (e.g. coil spacing, tube thickness). -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? [lzytongji at yahoo.com.cn] Sent: 25 June 2009 08:45 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] actuator action? Hi, What is the mean of "actuator" in Zone control? There are only two choice: a at current zone air point b mix of convection and radiation How to determine the action of "actuator' ? And "Actuator" is an abstract object or not? Thanks ________________________________ ????????????????? From chandrayeeee at gmail.com Thu Jun 25 16:44:17 2009 From: chandrayeeee at gmail.com (Chandrayee Basu) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:44:17 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] error in saving file Message-ID: Hello friends As I am trying to create any new model in ESP-r running in linux environment, I am getting the following error and the ESP-r window is closing. error endfile: truncation failed in endfile Why is this error coming? Is this some problem with disk space or will downloading and installing ESP-r again will help? Looking forward to a reply. Thanks Chandrayee -- Chandrayee Basu (M.Tech) Schr?felhofstra?e 12, WG 07/02 81375 M?nchen +49-89-289-22403 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For example, a recent message from a user indicated the line in the source code where the fault was reported. This allowed the logic to be identified within a few hours and corrected. What would also help is to be explicit in the description of the facility which is being used when a crash happen (e.g. which menu, which dialog, what action was taken just prior to the crash). This will allow others to attempt the same task to see if the problem happens on other computers. Lastly - if you are working on a 64 bit computer and operating system you are working beyond the cutting-edge of the ESP-r community. Updating ESP-r to work in 64 bit environments is currently work-in-progress. -ESRU ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Chandrayee Basu [chandrayeeee at gmail.com] Sent: 25 June 2009 16:44 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] error in saving file Hello friends As I am trying to create any new model in ESP-r running in linux environment, I am getting the following error and the ESP-r window is closing. error endfile: truncation failed in endfile Why is this error coming? Is this some problem with disk space or will downloading and installing ESP-r again will help? Looking forward to a reply. Thanks Chandrayee -- Chandrayee Basu (M.Tech) Schr?felhofstra?e 12, WG 07/02 81375 M?nchen +49-89-289-22403 From aawisniewski at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 15:12:29 2009 From: aawisniewski at gmail.com (Aleks Wisniewski) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:12:29 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Reference test results for tester.pl Message-ID: Hello all, I have a 64bit processor with Ubuntu running on a second hard drive and would like to compare my results from tester.pl to a standard reference set. Is there an ftp or repository I could access? Thanks for your time. Cheers, Aleks Wisniewski Carleton University Mech & Aero Eng Email: aawisniewski at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There are also results for CentOS which is a 64 bit clone of RH enterprise using the Sun Studio compilers. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Aleks Wisniewski [aawisniewski at gmail.com] Sent: 26 June 2009 15:12 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Reference test results for tester.pl Hello all, I have a 64bit processor with Ubuntu running on a second hard drive and would like to compare my results from tester.pl to a standard reference set. Is there an ftp or repository I could access? Thanks for your time. Cheers, Aleks Wisniewski Carleton University Mech & Aero Eng Email: aawisniewski at gmail.com From radu_trm at yahoo.com Fri Jun 26 16:18:07 2009 From: radu_trm at yahoo.com (radu_trm at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:18:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [esp-r] Surface balance question Message-ID: <801259.61476.qm@web34403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello, I'm trying to account the heat passing from the floor zone to the roof zone through the ceiling surface. The roof space is free floating and the floor has an ideal zone controller . I've been looking at the surface energy balance for this surface (ceiling on floor_zone, floor in roof zone). I expect that all the gain in roof space comes from the heated floor space (winter simulation). But I have no idea how I should read the balance for ceiling in floor_zone so that I can figure the heat going above (Trying to see the loss through that surface). I attach the surface balances from res module. I think I don't have to say any more that I am new to esp-r. :) I've gone through the cookbook and trying to follow its advices as much as possible. I've also had a look in mailing list archives. I have few other questions, I dare to ask them all at once: 1. Did anyone manage to run v11.7 on Ubuntu 9.04? v11.6 works fine, for 11.7 I can't find libgfortran.so.1 (only gfortran2 and 3 seem to be available) 2. I've found few references to I2PV: is this generally available? Where? 3. Is there a way to perform a sequence of simulations on a model where only the constructions change? I'm trying to compare results obtained with various insulation combinations (glass wool, few wood wool kinds, with/without vapour-proof layer, etcd).So far I create versions, but I's a little slow and error prone (at least for me :) 4. how can I represent a wall that is covered outside by wood boards, placed? 20 mm far from the wall itself ? That is wood, free air, insolation, bricks etc. (sorry I don't know the English words for this construction style - in French this is called "bardage" ) Being my first email, I feel that I already abuse with so many questions... yet I'm thankful to anyone answering or pointing me to some extra "education"! Regards, Radu OS/2? then http://www.netlabs.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090626/0c4e635d/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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Causal energy breakdown (Whrs) for roof_floor ( 1) in roof_space ( 2) Surface is opaque MLC, area= 69.75m^2 & connects to surface 7 in zone 1 Facing roof_space Gain Loss Conductive flux 35094.14 0.00 Convective flux 9.69 -6598.47 Longwave rad int 1294.16 -28791.25 Heat stored 4608.62 -5616.91 Plant 0.00 0.00 Totals 41006.61 -41006.63 Essentially this says that over the period of the simulation the gains and losses balanced and the primary flux exchange between the roof_floor surface and the room roof_space was via convection and long wave radiant exchange. >From the point-of-view of the surface it 'lost' energy to the roof_zone in the amount of 6598W by convection with only a slight (9W) gain by convection - and longwave exchange was 28791W loss and a smaller gain 1294W. This is consistent with the surface being warmer than the roof space at almost all hours and that the surface roof_floor was almost always warmer than the other surfaces in the zone (so the longwave radiation is mostly seen as a loss from the surface). Heat storage takes into account the different state of the heat embedded within the surface at the start and end of the simulation. Remember, the energy balance is a summation over time. You might also want to plot or list out the individual flux paths in the graphing facility or timestep listing so that you get the pattern as it changes over time. If you wanted to know the heat transfer coefficients used you would have to turn on the so-called trace facility and include the energy balance details. -Jon Hand From blomanow at engmail.uwaterloo.ca Fri Jun 26 19:58:56 2009 From: blomanow at engmail.uwaterloo.ca (Bart Lomanowski) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:58:56 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Re: v11.7 on Ubuntu 9.04 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090626145856.11944jn28ckswww0@www.nexusmail.uwaterloo.ca> Hello Radu, In response to your question: > 1. Did anyone manage to run v11.7 on Ubuntu 9.04? v11.6 works fine, > for 11.7 I can't find libgfortran.so.1 (only gfortran2 and 3 seem to > be available) The Install script for v11.6 by default looks for the g77 fortran compiler whereas for v11.7 it looks for gfortran, which may not be installed on your system. Try running the command "gcc --version". If your version is 3.4.6 or lower then pass the "--gcc3" argument when you run the Install script. You can also run the command "./Install --help" for more arguments that you can use to manipulate the install process. Hope that helps, Bart From dave at howorth.org.uk Fri Jun 26 23:54:29 2009 From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:54:29 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: error in saving file In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413701653418D@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413701653418D@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1246056870.355.304.camel@piglet.howorth.org.uk> Chandrayee Basu wrote: > I am getting the following error and the ESP-r window is closing. > > error > > endfile: truncation failed in endfile > > Why is this error coming? Is this some problem with disk space Jon Hand wrote: > There is no string 'endfile' in the ESP-r source branch so it is not clear where the > error is happening. A error message 'truncation failed' is a new type that > has not been reported earlier. I believe it is a gfortran error and, yes, I believe running out of disk space is one thing that can cause it. Google says: and many more Or consult the gfortran docs for more info :) Cheers, Dave From lzytongji at yahoo.com.cn Sat Jun 27 13:15:38 2009 From: lzytongji at yahoo.com.cn (=?utf-8?B?5p2O5b+X6Iux?=) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:15:38 +0800 (CST) Subject: [esp-r] Is there any model for lighting Message-ID: <986574.52941.qm@web15901.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> Hi, ? ??? Is there any model for lighting analysis in the software ESP-r? ? ??? If it has, then where the model, how to define the lighting model and how to analyse the lighting in the esp-r ? ? Thanks, Teresa ___________________________________________________________ ????????????????? http://card.mail.cn.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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First define the flow network and then, if necessary define controls for the flow network components. There is a 30 page discussion on flow networks and flow controls in the current ESP-r Cookbook (available for download on the ESRU web site). -Jon Hand From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Jun 29 09:22:44 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:22:44 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: is there any guid book for electrical In-Reply-To: <773175.53935.qm@web15903.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> References: <773175.53935.qm@web15903.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413701653419B@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A question about electrical networks in ESP-r ________________________________________ In cookbook, i can't find the operate electrical model guid. Is there any other detail information for the electrical model. ------------------------------------------------------------- ESP_r is able to simulate electrical power distribution. Currently there is no discussion about the electrical domain in the ESP-r Cookbook. There are some help facilities within the ESP-r interface and there are portions of PhD thesis about the electrical solver. The interface assumes that anyone using the facility is probably an electrical engineer (which is not so helpful for those of us who are not electrical engineers). One recent document is a guide for including a PV facade into a building and this includes some discussion of the Electrical Network. I can forward that document to any who might be interested (it is not yet complete). -Jon Hand From ptavares at mail.isec.pt Mon Jun 29 10:33:44 2009 From: ptavares at mail.isec.pt (Paulo Tavares) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:33:44 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Error with climate module/file... In-Reply-To: <200906232048.16966.manzan@units.it> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20090629102151.017c2ba0@pop.isec.pt> Hi all. Sorry for boring you again, but i can?t solve the problem with climate files... I?m testing a climate file that was used by another ESP-r user with no problems (in pre-compiled version 11.6). When i try to open the file this error occurs (it is the same with other files... - this message is to dundee80 file): paulo at paulo-laptop:~$ esp-r paulo at paulo-laptop:~$ askdialog FILEN:/home/paulo/teste_modelo/teste_modelo.cfg working pressure coef /usr/esru90/esp-r/databases/pressc.db1 espokbox selected id iw 2 1 Starting clm in mode graphic with file /usr/esru90/esp-r/climate/dundee80 and action NONE in interactive mode. using/making file UNKNOWN askdialog FILEN:/usr/esru90/esp-r/climate/dundee80 At line 420 of file clmpsychart.F Fortran runtime error: End of record At line 2615 of file esru_libGTK.F Fortran runtime error: End of record Because i try to explore the file i think the problem is with the climate module... Or could be with the file? Marco Manzan said: >no I don't think it is due to the same problem, at line 2615 a message is >written to a character string "prompt" and the error means that the lenght of >the strin,g 144 characters, is not enough to contain the information. Pheraps >your directory tree or the names are so long that the message is too long. >you can try to modify the length of "prompt" variable at line 2558 or to >shorten file names. > >hope this helps > >Marco But the error continues... Do you think that this is a problem with the compilers? I'm using version 11.7 (and the compilers are g++ v 4.3.1; gcc v 4.3.1-1ubunbtu2; gfortran v 4.3.1). Please i appreciate very much any kind of help... With this error i can?t continue building my model... Regards, Paulo Tavares -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is not clear from the message whether you were able to do anything with this climate file. The fault seems to be in the drawing of the phychrometric chart. That is one specific function. If you were able to get any other reports or graphics on the file then the climate file itself is probably ok and the fault is specific to clmpsychart.F -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Paulo Tavares [ptavares at mail.isec.pt] Sent: 29 June 2009 10:33 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Error with climate module/file... Hi all. Sorry for boring you again, but i can?t solve the problem with climate files... I?m testing a climate file that was used by another ESP-r user with no problems (in pre-compiled version 11.6). When i try to open the file this error occurs (it is the same with other files... - this message is to dundee80 file): paulo at paulo-laptop:~$ esp-r paulo at paulo-laptop:~$ askdialog FILEN:/home/paulo/teste_modelo/teste_modelo.cfg working pressure coef /usr/esru90/esp-r/databases/pressc.db1 espokbox selected id iw 2 1 Starting clm in mode graphic with file /usr/esru90/esp-r/climate/dundee80 and action NONE in interactive mode. using/making file UNKNOWN askdialog FILEN:/usr/esru90/esp-r/climate/dundee80 At line 420 of file clmpsychart.F Fortran runtime error: End of record At line 2615 of file esru_libGTK.F Fortran runtime error: End of record Because i try to explore the file i think the problem is with the climate module... Or could be with the file? Marco Manzan said: no I don't think it is due to the same problem, at line 2615 a message is written to a character string "prompt" and the error means that the lenght of the strin,g 144 characters, is not enough to contain the information. Pheraps your directory tree or the names are so long that the message is too long. you can try to modify the length of "prompt" variable at line 2558 or to shorten file names. hope this helps Marco But the error continues... Do you think that this is a problem with the compilers? I'm using version 11.7 (and the compilers are g++ v 4.3.1; gcc v 4.3.1-1ubunbtu2; gfortran v 4.3.1). Please i appreciate very much any kind of help... With this error i can?t continue building my model... Regards, Paulo Tavares From chandrayeeee at gmail.com Mon Jun 29 13:35:10 2009 From: chandrayeeee at gmail.com (Chandrayee Basu) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:35:10 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] casual gains control Message-ID: Hello All [esp-r] Re: [ESP-r] Light / casual gains / controlled *Heiko W?hrle* woehrle at umt-ulm.de *Mon Oct 2 16:24:26 BST 2006* I have read the above mentioned message on casual gains control and I am facing similar problem. Have you found a solution to this problem already? Regards Chandrayee -- Chandrayee Basu (M.Tech) Schr?felhofstra?e 12, WG 07/02 81375 M?nchen +49-89-289-22403 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090629/2ae51002/attachment.html From ptavares at mail.isec.pt Mon Jun 29 14:35:09 2009 From: ptavares at mail.isec.pt (Paulo Tavares) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:35:09 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Solution for my errors! Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20090629142716.017c2e00@pop.isec.pt> Hello everyone. I found the solution for the errors that i have listed: paulo at paulo-laptop:~$ At line 2965 of file esru_lib.F Internal Error: printf is broken At line 375 of file esru_libGTK.F Internal Error: printf is broken At line 2615 of file esru_libGTK.F Fortran runtime error: End of record They occur when during the compilation process i choose the GTK graphics library! Now i choose X11 graphics library and the errors stopped! This situation must be reviewed in futures developments. I would like to thank to everyone that helps me trying to solve these errors namely Jon Hand and Marco Manzan. Regrads, Paulo Tavares -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This > situation must be reviewed in futures developments. > > I would like to thank to everyone that helps me trying to solve these > errors namely Jon Hand and Marco Manzan. > > Regrads, > > Paulo Tavares > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090629/1ed6cef5/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > End of esp-r Digest, Vol 35, Issue 18 > ************************************* > dear Paulo Your solution suggest me that the problem is about internationalization. The X11 version of esp-r does not have this "feature" only the GTK version supports it. Furthermore if you save a geometry file with comma "," as decimal separator you get the file corrupted, since in that file the field separator is comma too. So if you start the GTK version rememer to issue first the command "export LC_NUMERIC=C" before to lunch "esp-r" or "prj". Does the X11 versio solves the problem with climate file you spoke about in a previous mail ? I never had problems with internationalization and "clm" module! Marco -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria Navale, del Mare e per l'Ambiente | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Jun 29 17:00:18 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:00:18 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: casual gains control - fault was not replicated Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41370165341A5@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A further question about the code in casual gain control... I just single stepped through the code related to setting up casual gain control into one of the standard ESP-r example models and the process created a zone casual gain control file (which looks ok). The only difference with what the recent messages was that I was using a model which was setup with the standard multiple model folders (cfg zones, dbs etc.). There were no range errors or string buffer overflows during this session. I was using my branch (which is newer than the development branch (but since no one has altered the code in edcasctl.F recently that should not have been an issue. I was using the F90 compiler on 64 bit CentOS. There is still a chance that something in the code is sensitive to the newest GCC compilers. Note: this code has some logic which might cause an issue for the native windows version of ESP-r (the folder separator character is / rather than \. Because I have not been able to replicate the error, I suggest that the originator of the message attempt a debug session with break points within the code near where the fault was reported. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Chandrayee Basu [chandrayeeee at gmail.com] Sent: 29 June 2009 13:35 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] casual gains control Hello All [esp-r] Re: [ESP-r] Light / casual gains / controlled Heiko W?hrle woehrle at umt-ulm.de Mon Oct 2 16:24:26 BST 2006 I have read the above mentioned message on casual gains control and I am facing similar problem. Have you found a solution to this problem already? Regards Chandrayee -- Chandrayee Basu (M.Tech) Schr?felhofstra?e 12, WG 07/02 81375 M?nchen +49-89-289-22403 From ptavares at isec.pt Tue Jun 30 10:25:00 2009 From: ptavares at isec.pt (Paulo Filipe de Almeida Ferreira Tavares) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:25:00 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Solution for my errors! References: <20090629172139.10073jnmbxyop340@wmail1.units.it> Message-ID: <1625FB29959296499A2997A53E23F54201730F76@mailx.isec.pt> Dear Marco, Yes, the errors with the climate module have stopped (and also with the climate files). The problem with the internationalization was solved as you said (with GTK). With X11, until now, there is no problems to report. Paulo ________________________________ De: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk em nome de Marco Manzan Enviada: seg 29-06-2009 16:21 Para: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Assunto: [esp-r] Re: Solution for my errors! > > > Hello everyone. > > I found the solution for the errors that i have listed: > > paulo at paulo-laptop:~$ At line 2965 of file esru_lib.F > Internal Error: printf is broken > > At line 375 of file esru_libGTK.F > Internal Error: printf is broken > > At line 2615 of file esru_libGTK.F > Fortran runtime error: End of record > > They occur when during the compilation process i choose the GTK graphics > library! Now i choose X11 graphics library and the errors stopped! This > situation must be reviewed in futures developments. > > I would like to thank to everyone that helps me trying to solve these > errors namely Jon Hand and Marco Manzan. > > Regrads, > > Paulo Tavares > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090629/1ed6cef5/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > End of esp-r Digest, Vol 35, Issue 18 > ************************************* > dear Paulo Your solution suggest me that the problem is about internationalization. The X11 version of esp-r does not have this "feature" only the GTK version supports it. Furthermore if you save a geometry file with comma "," as decimal separator you get the file corrupted, since in that file the field separator is comma too. So if you start the GTK version rememer to issue first the command "export LC_NUMERIC=C" before to lunch "esp-r" or "prj". Does the X11 versio solves the problem with climate file you spoke about in a previous mail ? I never had problems with internationalization and "clm" module! Marco -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria Navale, del Mare e per l'Ambiente | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Leen From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Jul 2 09:27:21 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:27:21 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: max ACH In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41370165341B2@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A question about air changes.... ________________________________________ is there a way to set the maximum air changes per hour in case of using openable windows? I get unrealistic ventilation rates even in case I limit the fraction to 10%. furthermore, limiting the fraction to 0.1 or 0.01 does not affect the AC/h. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated! ________________________________________ The first issue is to consider what constitutes a unrealistic ventilation rate. With a bit of a breeze and windows open it would not be surprising to get 30-40 ach from certain wind directions. The components we select to represent openings can be a factor. An air flow component that is a simple opening is a common orifice with a discharge factor of ~.65. And many real openings could offer much more resistance to air flows so you might want to force a smaller DF. Insect screens slow it down even more. The reported changing of the fraction from 0.1 to 0.01 having no impact is not what I would expect. Just to confirm that it is not a reporting issue also have a look at the volume flow rate along several of the flow paths before and after this change. It might also be worth turning on the trace for the network flow to get an overall view of flows at each timestep. There is a control which can act on delta P. One could conceivably use this to limit flows and it might be possible to define a control that sensed wind velocity e.g. close the window in high winds. I don't think that anyone has considered implementing a flow control that is based on limiting a volume or mass flow rate. Might be worth thinking about. -Jon Hand From lzytongji at yahoo.com.cn Sat Jul 4 11:56:18 2009 From: lzytongji at yahoo.com.cn (=?utf-8?B?5p2O5b+X6Iux?=) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 18:56:18 +0800 (CST) Subject: [esp-r] for double skin facade Message-ID: <721365.39813.qm@web15908.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> Hi, ? ?? I need establish? a model for a building with double skin facade. The gap distance between the glass curtain is 50mm. So, in esp-r, how to accomplish the gap in the model? ? Thanks, Teresa ___________________________________________________________ ????????????????? http://card.mail.cn.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090704/c7669822/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Jul 6 09:41:23 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 09:41:23 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: for double skin facade In-Reply-To: <721365.39813.qm@web15908.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> References: <721365.39813.qm@web15908.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41370165341C8@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A question about a very thin double skin facade... ________________________________________ I need establish a model for a building with double skin facade. The gap distance between the glass curtain is 50mm. So, in esp-r, how to accomplish the gap in the model? ________________________________ There are several approaches to representing a double skin facade in ESP-r and have been the subject of past research projects. One approach is to treat the air gap as a thermal zone or a set of stacked thermal zones which are connected together via an air flow network. The air flow network would be designed to represent the possible air flow patterns within the facade. An email is not a very good media to describe the methodology needed or the detailed steps required to define such a model. Perhaps this would be a good topic for a chapter in the ESP-r Cookbook. A very thin double skin facade would not be a good candidate for the use of a CFD domain because it would be difficult to derive a gridding scheme that would accommodate the extreme ratio of depth to height. There are a number of choices as to the design of a double skin model which are dependent on the details of the facade, likely air flow regimes and the types of performance that are of interest in the project. To get more advise on the design of a model to represent a double skin facade much more information would be needed about facade details as well as the intent of the double skin facade, how it might be controlled, the type of building and its location. -Jon Hand From chandrayeeee at gmail.com Mon Jul 6 17:44:12 2009 From: chandrayeeee at gmail.com (Chandrayee Basu) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 18:44:12 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] erroneous result Message-ID: Hello All I am trying to simulate a sports hall for teh climate of munich. I had also simulated a classroom for the same climate and am pretty satisfied with the result. Further it also complies with code. However for the sports hall unlike the class room I am strangely getting greater convective gain (external transperant surface) in the north orientation than in south. Also the heating load is higher in the lower and cooling load higher in the north than in the south. I have checked the elevations carefully and I am quite sure of teh orientations. But this result is worrying me. Could it be due to some shifting of coordinate points or origin? Looking forward to some help. Sincere Regards Chandrayee -- Chandrayee Basu (M.Tech) Schr?felhofstra?e 12, WG 07/02 81375 M?nchen +49-89-289-22403 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090706/00bc06bb/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Jul 6 18:11:30 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 18:11:30 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: erroneous result - model needs checking Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41370165341D4@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> It would be difficult to provide advise on this model without having a listing of the mode QA report as well as some sketches of the model to check against. It might be that the wrong construction type is being used, it might be that the surfaces in the model are reversed - what looks like a north surface is actually facing south. Such checking is something that is a critical skill for practitioners. As mentioned in the ESP-r Cookbook, it is essential to get models checked by someone other than the author of the model. Perhaps someone in the community might be willing to look over your model, but if it is a complex model you should be prepared to pay for such services. When requesting help you should provide some clues as to how complex the model is and what time period is acceptable for completing the checking. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Chandrayee Basu [chandrayeeee at gmail.com] Sent: 06 July 2009 17:44 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] erroneous result Hello All I am trying to simulate a sports hall for teh climate of munich. I had also simulated a classroom for the same climate and am pretty satisfied with the result. Further it also complies with code. However for the sports hall unlike the class room I am strangely getting greater convective gain (external transperant surface) in the north orientation than in south. Also the heating load is higher in the lower and cooling load higher in the north than in the south. I have checked the elevations carefully and I am quite sure of teh orientations. But this result is worrying me. Could it be due to some shifting of coordinate points or origin? Looking forward to some help. Sincere Regards Chandrayee -- Chandrayee Basu (M.Tech) Schr?felhofstra?e 12, WG 07/02 81375 M?nchen +49-89-289-22403 From blomanow at engmail.uwaterloo.ca Tue Jul 7 15:48:30 2009 From: blomanow at engmail.uwaterloo.ca (Bart Lomanowski) Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:48:30 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] update to GSLedit Message-ID: <20090707104830.44261keh47r8wdgg@www.nexusmail.uwaterloo.ca> Hello Group, This is to notify ESP-r users that the front end to the Complex Fenestration Construction (CFC) facility, GSLedit, has been updated and is available on the ESRU ESP-r website under Downloads. The update includes a patch in the glazing database which now contains the correct front and back solar reflectance values. Thanks, Bart --- Bartosz Lomanowski Sustainable Buildings and Communities (Simulation Tools Group) CanmetENERGY Natural Resources Canada Tel: 519-888-4567 x38733 Bartosz.Lomanowski at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca From dave at howorth.org.uk Tue Jul 7 21:53:48 2009 From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth) Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:53:48 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: update to GSLedit In-Reply-To: <20090707104830.44261keh47r8wdgg@www.nexusmail.uwaterloo.ca> References: <20090707104830.44261keh47r8wdgg@www.nexusmail.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1247000028.4429.10.camel@piglet.howorth.org.uk> On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 10:48 -0400, Bart Lomanowski wrote: > Hello Group, > > This is to notify ESP-r users that the front end to the Complex > Fenestration Construction (CFC) facility, GSLedit, has been updated > and is available on the ESRU ESP-r website under Downloads. The update > includes a patch in the glazing database which now contains the > correct front and back solar reflectance values. Why was GSLedit developed as a windows-only program when there are several portable GUI toolkits available and the underlying core of ESP-r is portable? Regards, Dave From blomanow at engmail.uwaterloo.ca Wed Jul 8 20:44:39 2009 From: blomanow at engmail.uwaterloo.ca (Bart Lomanowski) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:44:39 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Re: update to GSLedit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090708154439.128972j3l4a38bgg@www.nexusmail.uwaterloo.ca> Hi Dave, GSLedit was not originally developed for use with ESP-r. It's lack of portability is definitely a shortcoming. The original scope of the research project to develop the complex fenestration facility did not even encompass a GUI frontend (this is the academic world after all). To make this tool accessible, I saw an opportunity to use GSLedit as it is uniquely suited for quick synthesis of glazing/shading combinations with very little burden on the user. For the time being, whis will be annoying for Linux users but should not pose a problem for Cygwin/Native Windows/Virtual Box users. Perhaps at some point in the near future, a database of pre-defined glazing/shading systems will be added to ESP-r. Regards, Bart > Why was GSLedit developed as a windows-only program when there are > several portable GUI toolkits available and the underlying core of ESP-r > is portable? > > Regards, Dave From lzytongji at yahoo.com.cn Thu Jul 9 12:30:22 2009 From: lzytongji at yahoo.com.cn (=?utf-8?B?5p2O5b+X6Iux?=) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:30:22 +0800 (CST) Subject: [esp-r] construction Message-ID: <289668.48882.qm@web15901.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> Hello, ? ??????? I tried to create a new construction but failed. ??????? I have added 3 layers: ??????? layer Prim(db)? Thick(mm) ?Description of material ??????i? 1?????? 246???????? 6.0??????????? low_e glass ????? j??2?????? 0?????????????12???????????? air? 0.17? 0.17? 0.17 ?????k? 3?????? 243?????????6.0????????????clear float ??????? ISO 6946 U h/u/d 2.846? 3.111 2.555 ? but when i change the k layer to antisun 6mm the value of ISO is the same. ? So what is wrong with my steps? Is the U value mean "heat transfer coefficient"? I am looking forward somebody to reply me ASAP. Thanks, Teresa ___________________________________________________________ ????????????????? http://card.mail.cn.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090709/107fd0f1/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Jul 9 17:16:42 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:16:42 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: construction In-Reply-To: <289668.48882.qm@web15901.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> References: <289668.48882.qm@web15901.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41370165341F0@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Reported U values ________________________________________ I tried to create a new construction but failed. I have added 3 layers: layer Prim(db) Thick(mm) Description of material i 1 246 6.0 low_e glass j 2 0 12 air 0.17 0.17 0.17 k 3 243 6.0 clear float ISO 6946 U h/u/d 2.846 3.111 2.555 but when i change the k layer to antisun 6mm the value of ISO is the same. ______________________________________ The reported U value will reflect the thermophysical properties of the materials selected. If the material associated with antisun has the same thermophysical properties as the clear float then the reported U value would not change. If the glass layer has a low-e coating then this property would be represented by altering the resistance of the air gap (layer 2) so that the reported overall U value matches the manufacturers specifications. -Jon Hand From obrien_liam at hotmail.com Thu Jul 9 20:24:04 2009 From: obrien_liam at hotmail.com (Liam O'Brien) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 15:24:04 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Problem with airflow network Message-ID: Hello everyone, I'm setting up a fairly rudimentary airflow network, in which two zone air nodes exchange air with a third node that is intended to mix the air and send it back to the nodes. A fixed volume rate component moves the air. The "mixing" node was assigned to known boundary conditions of P=0 Pa, T=20C. However, after several tries, I continue to get the following message for each timestep: Please check (in the following order) that: - each node has some flow path to a boundary pressure and - iteration convergence control is not too strict. Day 2 Month 1 Hour 24.000: 100 iterations; flows solution failed I assume the first issue is triggering the message. I would have thought that having the mixing node at known conditions would alleviate this error. Any thoughts? (I realize this could be accomplished in the operations file, but I want something more sophisticated eventually.) The afn file is below. Thanks very much! Liam O'Brien ---------------- 3 1 4 1.000 (nodes, components, connections, wind reduction) Node Fld. Type Height Temperature Data_1 Data_2 south 1 0 2.5000 20.000 0.0000 250.01 north 1 0 2.5000 20.000 0.0000 250.01 Mixing 1 2 20.000 0.0000 0.0000 2.0000 Component Type C+ L+ Description Circulation 30 2 0 Constant vol. flow rate component m = rho.a 1. 0.200000003 +Node dHght -Node dHght via Component south 8.750 Mixing -8.750 Circulation north 8.750 Mixing -8.750 Circulation Mixing -8.750 south 8.750 Circulation Mixing -8.750 north 8.750 Circulation _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live helps you keep up with all your friends, in one place. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9660826 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090709/3974e15a/attachment.html From monika.hall at fhnw.ch Fri Jul 10 07:00:06 2009 From: monika.hall at fhnw.ch (Hall,Monika) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:00:06 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problem with airflow network In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2E69B53CF81E2A43988A841A5B26799494F8CB5B32@MXAMU12.adm.ds.fhnw.ch> Dear Liam, for a solver reason it is good, that at least one zone is connected with a little crack with exterior boundary condition. If the result is plausible, I would ignore the comment. Regards Monika ________________________________ Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Liam O'Brien Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. Juli 2009 21:24 An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: [esp-r] Problem with airflow network Hello everyone, I'm setting up a fairly rudimentary airflow network, in which two zone air nodes exchange air with a third node that is intended to mix the air and send it back to the nodes. A fixed volume rate component moves the air. The "mixing" node was assigned to known boundary conditions of P=0 Pa, T=20C. However, after several tries, I continue to get the following message for each timestep: Please check (in the following order) that: - each node has some flow path to a boundary pressure and - iteration convergence control is not too strict. Day 2 Month 1 Hour 24.000: 100 iterations; flows solution failed I assume the first issue is triggering the message. I would have thought that having the mixing node at known conditions would alleviate this error. Any thoughts? (I realize this could be accomplished in the operations file, but I want something more sophisticated eventually.) The afn file is below. Thanks very much! Liam O'Brien ---------------- 3 1 4 1.000 (nodes, components, connections, wind reduction) Node Fld. Type Height Temperature Data_1 Data_2 south 1 0 2.5000 20.000 0.0000 250.01 north 1 0 2.5000 20.000 0.0000 250.01 Mixing 1 2 20.000 0.0000 0.0000 2.0000 Component Type C+ L+ Description Circulation 30 2 0 Constant vol. flow rate component m = rho.a 1. 0.200000003 +Node dHght -Node dHght via Component south 8.750 Mixing -8.750 Circulation north 8.750 Mixing -8.750 Circulation Mixing -8.750 south 8.750 Circulation Mixing -8.750 north 8.750 Circulation ________________________________ Windows Live helps you keep up with all your friends, in one place. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090710/7b96b96d/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Jul 10 08:14:27 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:14:27 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problem with airflow network In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41370165341F2@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> It is essential that there be at least one connection to a boundary node. The solver really needs this rule to be followed. For more information on defining air flow networks there is a chapter in the current version of the ESP-r Cookbook (ESRU web page -> software downloads -> esp-r -> beginners guide -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Liam O'Brien [obrien_liam at hotmail.com] Sent: 09 July 2009 20:24 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Problem with airflow network Hello everyone, I'm setting up a fairly rudimentary airflow network, in which two zone air nodes exchange air with a third node that is intended to mix the air and send it back to the nodes. A fixed volume rate component moves the air. The "mixing" node was assigned to known boundary conditions of P=0 Pa, T=20C. However, after several tries, I continue to get the following message for each timestep: Please check (in the following order) that: - each node has some flow path to a boundary pressure and - iteration convergence control is not too strict. Day 2 Month 1 Hour 24.000: 100 iterations; flows solution failed I assume the first issue is triggering the message. I would have thought that having the mixing node at known conditions would alleviate this error. Any thoughts? (I realize this could be accomplished in the operations file, but I want something more sophisticated eventually.) The afn file is below. Thanks very much! Liam O'Brien ---------------- 3 1 4 1.000 (nodes, components, connections, wind reduction) Node Fld. Type Height Temperature Data_1 Data_2 south 1 0 2.5000 20.000 0.0000 250.01 north 1 0 2.5000 20.000 0.0000 250.01 Mixing 1 2 20.000 0.0000 0.0000 2.0000 Component Type C+ L+ Description Circulation 30 2 0 Constant vol. flow rate component m = rho.a 1. 0.200000003 +Node dHght -Node dHght via Component south 8.750 Mixing -8.750 Circulation north 8.750 Mixing -8.750 Circulation Mixing -8.750 south 8.750 Circulation Mixing -8.750 north 8.750 Circulation ________________________________ Windows Live helps you keep up with all your friends, in one place. From obrien_liam at hotmail.com Fri Jul 10 14:15:32 2009 From: obrien_liam at hotmail.com (Liam O'Brien) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:15:32 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problem with airflow network In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41370165341F2@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41370165341F2@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: Thanks, Jon and Monika. Does the "known: boundary" type of node not count as a boundary node? I specified its ambient temerpature and pressure as 20C and 0 Pa, repsectively. Both unknown [zonal] nodes have connections to this node. Liam > From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk > To: obrien_liam at hotmail.com; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:14:27 +0100 > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problem with airflow network > > > It is essential that there be at least one connection to a boundary node. The > solver really needs this rule to be followed. > > For more information on defining air flow networks there is a chapter in the > current version of the ESP-r Cookbook (ESRU web page -> software downloads -> esp-r > -> beginners guide > > -Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Liam O'Brien [obrien_liam at hotmail.com] > Sent: 09 July 2009 20:24 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Problem with airflow network > > Hello everyone, > > I'm setting up a fairly rudimentary airflow network, in which two zone air nodes exchange air with a third node that is intended to mix the air and send it back to the nodes. A fixed volume rate component moves the air. The "mixing" node was assigned to known boundary conditions of P=0 Pa, T=20C. However, after several tries, I continue to get the following message for each timestep: > > Please check (in the following order) that: > - each node has some flow path to a boundary pressure and > - iteration convergence control is not too strict. > Day 2 Month 1 Hour 24.000: 100 iterations; flows solution failed > > I assume the first issue is triggering the message. I would have thought that having the mixing node at known conditions would alleviate this error. > > Any thoughts? (I realize this could be accomplished in the operations file, but I want something more sophisticated eventually.) > > The afn file is below. > > Thanks very much! > > Liam O'Brien > > ---------------- > > 3 1 4 1.000 (nodes, components, connections, wind reduction) > Node Fld. Type Height Temperature Data_1 Data_2 > south 1 0 2.5000 20.000 0.0000 250.01 > north 1 0 2.5000 20.000 0.0000 250.01 > Mixing 1 2 20.000 0.0000 0.0000 2.0000 > Component Type C+ L+ Description > Circulation 30 2 0 Constant vol. flow rate component m = rho.a > 1. 0.200000003 > +Node dHght -Node dHght via Component > south 8.750 Mixing -8.750 Circulation > north 8.750 Mixing -8.750 Circulation > Mixing -8.750 south 8.750 Circulation > Mixing -8.750 north 8.750 Circulation > > ________________________________ > Windows Live helps you keep up with all your friends, in one place. > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live helps you keep up with all your friends, in one place. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9660826 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090710/0fae750c/attachment-0001.html From aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk Fri Jul 10 14:39:21 2009 From: aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk (Aizaz Samuel) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:39:21 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problem with airflow network In-Reply-To: References: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41370165341F2@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <200907101439.21609.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> Liam, This type of known pressure node is in fact equivalent to a boundary type node. The problem is that you have internal nodes from which you add and subtract volume (not mass) when you use a fixed volume flow rate component. The solver imposes a mass balance and when temperature changes, the mass of air blown by the fixed volume flow rate component changes. So the solver blows up. Suggestions for your network: 1. Try using fixed mass flow rate components 2. Do not put in more of such components than are absolutely necessary e.g. just put in mass flow components to blow air from mixing to north/south, the return path from north/south to mixing will have the correct flows due to continuity and you can get away by just putting an air flow opening type component. Regards, Aizaz On Friday 10 July 2009 14:15, Liam O'Brien wrote: > Thanks, Jon and Monika. Does the "known: boundary" type of node not count > as a boundary node? I specified its ambient temerpature and pressure as > 20C and 0 Pa, repsectively. Both unknown [zonal] nodes have connections to > this node. > > Liam > > > From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk > > To: obrien_liam at hotmail.com; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:14:27 +0100 > > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problem with airflow network > > > > > > It is essential that there be at least one connection to a boundary node. > > The solver really needs this rule to be followed. > > > > For more information on defining air flow networks there is a chapter in > > the current version of the ESP-r Cookbook (ESRU web page -> software > > downloads -> esp-r -> beginners guide > > > > -Jon Hand > > ________________________________________ > > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] > > On Behalf Of Liam O'Brien [obrien_liam at hotmail.com] Sent: 09 July 2009 > > 20:24 > > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > Subject: [esp-r] Problem with airflow network > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > I'm setting up a fairly rudimentary airflow network, in which two zone > > air nodes exchange air with a third node that is intended to mix the air > > and send it back to the nodes. A fixed volume rate component moves the > > air. The "mixing" node was assigned to known boundary conditions of P=0 > > Pa, T=20C. However, after several tries, I continue to get the following > > message for each timestep: > > > > Please check (in the following order) that: > > - each node has some flow path to a boundary pressure and > > - iteration convergence control is not too strict. > > Day 2 Month 1 Hour 24.000: 100 iterations; flows solution failed > > > > I assume the first issue is triggering the message. I would have thought > > that having the mixing node at known conditions would alleviate this > > error. > > > > Any thoughts? (I realize this could be accomplished in the operations > > file, but I want something more sophisticated eventually.) > > > > The afn file is below. > > > > Thanks very much! > > > > Liam O'Brien > > > > ---------------- > > > > 3 1 4 1.000 (nodes, components, connections, wind reduction) > > Node Fld. Type Height Temperature Data_1 Data_2 > > south 1 0 2.5000 20.000 0.0000 250.01 > > north 1 0 2.5000 20.000 0.0000 250.01 > > Mixing 1 2 20.000 0.0000 0.0000 2.0000 > > Component Type C+ L+ Description > > Circulation 30 2 0 Constant vol. flow rate component m = rho.a > > 1. 0.200000003 > > +Node dHght -Node dHght via Component > > south 8.750 Mixing -8.750 Circulation > > north 8.750 Mixing -8.750 Circulation > > Mixing -8.750 south 8.750 Circulation > > Mixing -8.750 north 8.750 Circulation > > > > ________________________________ > > Windows Live helps you keep up with all your friends, in one > > place. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > esp-r mailing list > > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > ________________________________ > Windows Live helps you keep up with all your friends, in one > place. From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Jul 10 15:21:29 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:21:29 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problem with airflow network In-Reply-To: References: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41370165341F2@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk>, Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4137016534201@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> In a dozen years of creating flow networks I have never had an occasion to use a known fixed boundary type. Boundary nodes are typically of type wind pressure driven for most users. Again, the design of flow networks is covered in the ESP-r Cookbook. If someone has a really good use for fixed nodes then I would be happy to include it in the Cookbook. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Liam O'Brien [obrien_liam at hotmail.com] Sent: 10 July 2009 14:15 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problem with airflow network Thanks, Jon and Monika. Does the "known: boundary" type of node not count as a boundary node? I specified its ambient temerpature and pressure as 20C and 0 Pa, repsectively. Both unknown [zonal] nodes have connections to this node. Liam > From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk > To: obrien_liam at hotmail.com; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:14:27 +0100 > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problem with airflow network > > > It is essential that there be at least one connection to a boundary node. The > solver really needs this rule to be followed. > > For more information on defining air flow networks there is a chapter in the > current version of the ESP-r Cookbook (ESRU web page -> software downloads -> esp-r > -> beginners guide > > -Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Liam O'Brien [obrien_liam at hotmail.com] > Sent: 09 July 2009 20:24 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Problem with airflow network > > Hello everyone, > > I'm setting up a fairly rudimentary airflow network, in which two zone air nodes exchange air with a third node that is intended to mix the air and send it back to the nodes. A fixed volume rate component moves the air. The "mixing" node was assigned to known boundary conditions of P=0 Pa, T=20C. However, after several tries, I continue to get the following message for each timestep: > > Please check (in the following order) that: > - each node has some flow path to a boundary pressure and > - iteration convergence control is not too strict. > Day 2 Month 1 Hour 24.000: 100 iterations; flows solution failed > > I assume the first issue is triggering the message. I would have thought that having the mixing node at known conditions would alleviate this error. > > Any thoughts? (I realize this could be accomplished in the operations file, but I want something more sophisticated eventually.) > > The afn file is below. > > Thanks very much! > > Liam O'Brien > > ---------------- > > 3 1 4 1.000 (nodes, components, connections, wind reduction) > Node Fld. Type Height Temperature Data_1 Data_2 > south 1 0 2.5000 20.000 0.0000 250.01 > north 1 0 2.5000 20.000 0.0000 250.01 > Mixing 1 2 20.000 0.0000 0.0000 2.0000 > Component Type C+ L+ Description > Circulation 30 2 0 Constant vol. flow rate component m = rho.a > 1. 0.200000003 > +Node dHght -Node dHght via Component > south 8.750 Mixing -8.750 Circulation > north 8.750 Mixing -8.750 Circulation > Mixing -8.750 south 8.750 Circulation > Mixing -8.750 north 8.750 Circulation > > ________________________________ > Windows Live helps you keep up with all your friends, in one place. > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r ________________________________ Windows Live helps you keep up with all your friends, in one place. From aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk Fri Jul 10 15:49:17 2009 From: aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk (Aizaz Samuel) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:49:17 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problem with airflow network In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4137016534201@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4137016534201@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <200907101549.17979.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> The fixed pressure nodes are used in CFD-airflow network conflation, where each connection to the CFD domain node is replaced by a known pressure node (at the pressure of the CFD node at that time step). -Aizaz On Friday 10 July 2009 15:21, Jon Hand wrote: > In a dozen years of creating flow networks I have never had an occasion to > use a known fixed boundary type. Boundary nodes are typically of type > wind pressure driven for most users. > > Again, the design of flow networks is covered in the ESP-r Cookbook. If > someone has a really good use for fixed nodes then I would be happy to > include it in the Cookbook. > > -Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Liam O'Brien [obrien_liam at hotmail.com] Sent: 10 July 2009 > 14:15 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problem with airflow network > > Thanks, Jon and Monika. Does the "known: boundary" type of node not count > as a boundary node? I specified its ambient temerpature and pressure as > 20C and 0 Pa, repsectively. Both unknown [zonal] nodes have connections to > this node. > > Liam > > > From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk > > To: obrien_liam at hotmail.com; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:14:27 +0100 > > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problem with airflow network > > > > > > It is essential that there be at least one connection to a boundary node. > > The solver really needs this rule to be followed. > > > > For more information on defining air flow networks there is a chapter in > > the current version of the ESP-r Cookbook (ESRU web page -> software > > downloads -> esp-r -> beginners guide > > > > -Jon Hand > > ________________________________________ > > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] > > On Behalf Of Liam O'Brien [obrien_liam at hotmail.com] Sent: 09 July 2009 > > 20:24 > > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > Subject: [esp-r] Problem with airflow network > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > I'm setting up a fairly rudimentary airflow network, in which two zone > > air nodes exchange air with a third node that is intended to mix the air > > and send it back to the nodes. A fixed volume rate component moves the > > air. The "mixing" node was assigned to known boundary conditions of P=0 > > Pa, T=20C. However, after several tries, I continue to get the following > > message for each timestep: > > > > Please check (in the following order) that: > > - each node has some flow path to a boundary pressure and > > - iteration convergence control is not too strict. > > Day 2 Month 1 Hour 24.000: 100 iterations; flows solution failed > > > > I assume the first issue is triggering the message. I would have thought > > that having the mixing node at known conditions would alleviate this > > error. > > > > Any thoughts? (I realize this could be accomplished in the operations > > file, but I want something more sophisticated eventually.) > > > > The afn file is below. > > > > Thanks very much! > > > > Liam O'Brien > > > > ---------------- > > > > 3 1 4 1.000 (nodes, components, connections, wind reduction) > > Node Fld. Type Height Temperature Data_1 Data_2 > > south 1 0 2.5000 20.000 0.0000 250.01 > > north 1 0 2.5000 20.000 0.0000 250.01 > > Mixing 1 2 20.000 0.0000 0.0000 2.0000 > > Component Type C+ L+ Description > > Circulation 30 2 0 Constant vol. flow rate component m = rho.a > > 1. 0.200000003 > > +Node dHght -Node dHght via Component > > south 8.750 Mixing -8.750 Circulation > > north 8.750 Mixing -8.750 Circulation > > Mixing -8.750 south 8.750 Circulation > > Mixing -8.750 north 8.750 Circulation > > > > ________________________________ > > Windows Live helps you keep up with all your friends, in one > > place. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > esp-r mailing list > > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > ________________________________ > Windows Live helps you keep up with all your friends, in one > place. > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -- Dr Aizaz A Samuel Research Fellow Department of Mechanical Engineering University of Strathclyde M324 James Weir Building 75 Montrose Street Glasgow, UK G1 1XJ T:+44 141 548 5765 F:+44 141 552 5105 From siberlife at hanmail.net Fri Jul 10 18:00:50 2009 From: siberlife at hanmail.net (=?EUC-KR?B?wMy/tbHV?=) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 02:00:50 +0900 (KST) Subject: [esp-r] Obstruction Message-ID: <20090711020050.HM.W000000000GcP22@siberlife.wwl403.hanmail.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Carvalho Filho Thermodynamics and Heat Transfer Lab Coordinator Dept. of Mechanical Engineering Federal University of Ceara Phone: +55+85+3366.9635 Fax: +55+85+3366.9636 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Veja quais s?o os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090710/2fade3fd/attachment.html From brice-75 at aliceadsl.fr Sun Jul 12 15:36:19 2009 From: brice-75 at aliceadsl.fr (brice-75) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:36:19 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Connection issue Message-ID: <5970FB40DC8C45D9BCB483E0DA5751D6@Stphanedom> Dear all, I'm trying to get familiar with esp-r and I have some issues while working on the cookbook. I have defined the reception, with no issue, and the examination with somes issues. As a result , I have 26 connections while the cookbook indicates 22 (nevertheless the drawing looks like the one in the cookbook) Some messages appears Current surface doesn't match contig 16 south_wall in exam not yet defined 17 "same message" top_5 which refers to the examination roof) "same message" 20 partn-a in examination is external 22 north_frame in examination is external 23 partn_b in examination is external And when I reopen the model : "Model topolgy is unconsistent"... Reading cookbook section 2.4 "model topology" didn't enable me to find a solution. Looking forward to reading you. Regards Brice -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090712/69192975/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Jul 13 09:52:16 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:52:16 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Tilted shading obstructions In-Reply-To: <472132.3484.qm@web53008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <472132.3484.qm@web53008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4137016534206@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A question about shading obstructions... ________________________________________ I need to represent a tilted shading obstruction of a building in esp-r. As far as I know, esp-r only allows to rotate obstructions around the Z axis, but in my case I need to rotate it around X or Y axes. Is that possible? Any help would be appreciated. ________________________________ Only one axis of rotation is available at this time. We are working on code which supports 3 axis of rotations. The work-around is to represent complex obstructions via a number of smaller obstructions which together approximate the shape. E.g. a sloped shading device could be represented by several small blocks which have their origins along the slope. -Jon Hand From manzan at units.it Mon Jul 13 20:34:30 2009 From: manzan at units.it (Marco Manzan) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:34:30 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] e: Tilted shading obstructions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090713213430.99762mgd61tici0w@wmail1.units.it> Def. Quota esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk: > Send esp-r mailing list submissions to > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk > > You can reach the person managing the list at > esp-r-owner at lists.strath.ac.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of esp-r digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Tilted shading obstructions (Jon Hand) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:52:16 +0100 > From: Jon Hand > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Tilted shading obstructions > To: Clodoaldo de Oliveira Carvalho , > "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" > Message-ID: > <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4137016534206 at E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > A question about shading obstructions... > ________________________________________ > > I need to represent a tilted shading obstruction of a building in > esp-r. As far as I know, esp-r only allows to rotate obstructions > around the Z axis, but in my case I need to rotate it around X or Y > axes. Is that possible? Any help would be appreciated. > > ________________________________ > > Only one axis of rotation is available at this time. We are working on code > which supports 3 axis of rotations. > > The work-around is to represent complex obstructions via a number of > smaller obstructions which together approximate the shape. E.g. a > sloped shading device could be represented by several small blocks > which have their origins along the slope. > > -Jon Hand > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > End of esp-r Digest, Vol 36, Issue 12 > ************************************* > I implemented the tilted shading obstruction, I can provide a modified version of esp-r, however be aware it is not an official version and you have to use it at your own risk. I've already sent the modified files to John Hand. I don't know if they are working on the code I sent them. The best think, I believe, is to wait for the official code John Hand is speaking about or use the mentioned workaround. -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria Navale, del Mare e per l'Ambiente | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in Wed Jul 15 14:03:32 2009 From: nalin_swaroop at iitb.ac.in (NALIN SWAROOP) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:33:32 +0530 Subject: [esp-r] difference between TRNSYS and ESP-r load value Message-ID: <9bef0c53f28c2ab8105aa04b565fab03.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> Hello all I have modeled a (50*15*27) 42 zone building in both TRNSYS 16 and ESP-r 11.6 but large differences are coming in cooling load values, for TRNSYS it is around 1400 GJ annual load but for ESP-r it is around 2200 GJ annual load, at first I thought I made some mistake in modeling and construction parameters for both softwares, but I have checked many times and all the details of geometry, heat transfer coefficients, glazing data,construction data and weather data are exactly same and I need to come up with an explanation as to why these differences are coming. I have seen the ANSI/ASHRAE standard 140-2001 which compares bestcases for different simulation softwares and I have tried to benchmark it and the results match with those given in the standard but the problem is as I go on increasing the zones,increase the size of the model add glazings the total value of heating and cooling loads vary a lot. Also I found one peculiar thing that in TRNSYS if I model a room with three glazing orientations i.e west, east, north-south. I get maximum load value for east side window and minimum for north-side but if same room I model in ESP-r I get maximum load value for north-south side I dont why this difference is there I am using the same weather file. At last I want to know if some study has been done which gives the mathematical differences between TRNSYS and ESP-r and tells the effect of these mathematical differences through an example model, all I know is ESP-r takes the rigorous heat balance approach and TRNSYS models its long wave, short wave radiation and convection through star network system. Sorry to bother you all with a long question Nalin Regards Nalin From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Jul 20 11:44:24 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:44:24 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: difference between TRNSYS and ESP-r load value In-Reply-To: <9bef0c53f28c2ab8105aa04b565fab03.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> References: <9bef0c53f28c2ab8105aa04b565fab03.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4137016534220@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A complex question about the equivalence of TRNSYS and ESP-r.... ________________________________________ I have modeled a (50*15*27) 42 zone building in both TRNSYS 16 and ESP-r 11.6 but large differences are coming in cooling load values, for TRNSYS it is around 1400 GJ annual load but for ESP-r it is around 2200 GJ annual load, at first I thought I made some mistake in modeling and construction parameters for both softwares, but I have checked many times and all the details of geometry, heat transfer coefficients, glazing data,construction data and weather data are exactly same and I need to come up with an explanation as to why these differences are coming. I have seen the ANSI/ASHRAE standard 140-2001 which compares bestcases for different simulation softwares and I have tried to benchmark it and the results match with those given in the standard but the problem is as I go on increasing the zones,increase the size of the model add glazings the total value of heating and cooling loads vary a lot. Also I found one peculiar thing that in TRNSYS if I model a room with three glazing orientations i.e west, east, north-south. I get maximum load value for east side window and minimum for north-side but if same room I model in ESP-r I get maximum load value for north-south side I dont why this difference is there I am using the same weather file. At last I want to know if some study has been done which gives the mathematical differences between TRNSYS and ESP-r and tells the effect of these mathematical differences through an example model, all I know is ESP-r takes the rigorous heat balance approach and TRNSYS models its long wave, short wave radiation and convection through star network system. Sorry to bother you all with a long question ________________________________________ This is indeed a complex question as well as a long question. The mathematical differences between ESP-r and TRNSYS will be considerable because they come from such radically different backgrounds, they use very different solution techniques and they treat the physics of buildings in (probably) very different ways. The probably is related to how easy it is to look into the application and determine what is happening inside. If you had FULL access to both applications and could step through the calculations you might learn enough to identify the primary sources of the differences. It is curious that less complex models exhibit smaller differences. That would suggest that there is an issue of scaling to larger models. In expert user of each of these tools might be able to comment on how well the models had been designed and implemented. First 'red-flag' is that an attempt to benchmark with the complexity of model mentioned is a substantial task and if possible I would look for a way to benchmark with one or more less complex models. For example, ESP-r supports most of the BESTEST models and automates the task of running these benchmarks. If there were TRNSYS models of BESTEST that could be accessed and run that might give clues. There is the possibility that your assumption that both models are matched is not actually true. Also there could be errors in the model that you have not yet noticed which are causing problems. Are there some performance indicators for the two models which are similar? Are there some periods in the year when some performance is similar? Regards, Jon Hand cc Michael K. From dave at howorth.org.uk Mon Jul 20 20:40:06 2009 From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:40:06 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: difference between TRNSYS and ESP-r load value In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4137016534220@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <9bef0c53f28c2ab8105aa04b565fab03.squirrel@gpo.iitb.ac.in> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4137016534220@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1248118806.4429.285.camel@piglet.howorth.org.uk> > I have modeled a (50*15*27) 42 zone building in both TRNSYS 16 and ESP-r > 11.6 but large differences are coming in cooling load values, for TRNSYS > it is around 1400 GJ annual load but for ESP-r it is around 2200 GJ annual > load, On the assumption that the dimensions are in metres and the floor height is 2.5 m, I believe the specific cooling demand is over 48 kWh/m2/year. That suggests that apart from any modelling issues, it's not a particularly good building design. So I hope it's a historical example - what are the actual values for the building? Regards, Dave From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Tue Jul 21 10:03:16 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:03:16 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Import / Export of .dxf files Message-ID: <000001ca09e2$16d754b0$4485fe10$@geissler@intergga.ch> Dear All has anyone recently successfully imported a .dxf file into ESP-r? I would greatly appreciate such a readable .dxf as example, as I cannot even export a simple one-zone model myself, it seems. The status line says "File.DXF written", but no file actually is written ("all" variations of path and location tried). Trying to read my model (polylines, only, one zone, on TRN_ layer in addition to the zone layer) gives the message "File.dxf not in zip format" . Thanks. Best regards Achim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090722/9fc7ced2/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Jul 22 14:55:37 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:55:37 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Is there any model about lighting,illuminance In-Reply-To: <610996.69474.qm@web15907.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> References: <610996.69474.qm@web15907.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4137016534238@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> I copied a section from the ESP-r Cookbook on the capabilities of ESP-r which gives an overview of daylighting in ESP-r. Essentially you can assess daylighting via many different methods including a simple split-flux method all the way to invoking Radiance at each timestep and controlling lighting on the radiation falling on points in the room. There is not yet a section in the Cookbook that talks about lighting control in ESP-r. Within the ESP-r interface the facilities to describe lighting controls are in the zone casual gain control menu. 18.3 Building envelope and day-lighting This sections is an overview of the treatment of solar radiation outside a building as well as its distribution within and between zones. Outside surface conduction is also discussed. The default treatment is to assume no shading and that the distribution of insolation is diffusely distributed within a room. If there are external sources of shading these are represented as opaque non-reflective block shapes. Shading calculations (direct and diffuse) are done for each hour on a typical day of each month. Diffuse shading can be based on isotropic or anistropic sky conditions. Insolation distribution (including radiation falling on internal mass surfaces) can also be predicted at each hour on a typical day of each month. Beam solar radiation is tracked to first absorption and then diffusely distributed. Solar radiation passing into adjacent zones is treated as a diffuse source. Solar radiation passing out through a facade is assessed. Optical data on transmission and absorption at five angles is typically used and can be imported from Window 5.1 or 5.2. Data from WIS requires additional editing. Bidirectional optical properties and control is supported for those with experimental data. Seasonal adaptation of shading devices requires separate models, each pointing to obstruction descriptions for that season. Optical properties can be switched based on a range of criteria (the number of layers is required to be constant). There is a facility to substitute an alternative construction as well as alternative optical properties. The requirement for a constant number of layers poses a challenge for the representation of movable blinds and shutters. Day-lighting control can be based on split-flux method, user defined daylight factors or time-step use of the Radiance visual simulation suite to compute lux on a sensor. Multiple circuits can be treated in each thermal zone. Some users choose to explicitly represent opaque blinds as sets of surfaces. In the case of blinds between glass this is often approached by treating the blind as a layer with the construction which has optical properties approximating the transmission through the slats and openings. If the optical properties of this layer are switched then the absorption characteristics of the blind layer change (as does the thermal state of the construction). Conduction is typically represented in 1D but can be switched to 2D and 3D (the input data requirements increase considerably). ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? [lzytongji at yahoo.com.cn] Sent: 22 July 2009 12:38 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Is there any model about lighting,illuminance Hi, Anybody help me to find some model about lighting,illuminance in ESP-r? Thanks, Teresa ________________________________ ????????????????? From sbucking at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 00:24:35 2009 From: sbucking at gmail.com (Scott Bucking) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:24:35 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Auto-generating QA reports Message-ID: <3114a7250907231624y22652946g51b5f81b22abd188@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, I am running an optimization procedure on an esp-r model of a home and would like to auto-generate QA reports via command line so I can extract information regarding surface areas, volume, etc and perform additional QA on my model. Is there a way to do this? I am presently running up to 1000 simulations, so loading even a few files in prj is not an option! I would prefer to parse from a formatted text file then work from the original .geo files. Please let me know, Scott From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Jul 24 09:02:54 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 09:02:54 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Auto-generating QA reports In-Reply-To: <3114a7250907231624y22652946g51b5f81b22abd188@mail.gmail.com> References: <3114a7250907231624y22652946g51b5f81b22abd188@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA413701653424D@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A question about automating the generation of QA reports... ________________________________________ I am running an optimization procedure on an esp-r model of a home and would like to auto-generate QA reports via command line so I can extract information regarding surface areas, volume, etc and perform additional QA on my model. Is there a way to do this? I am presently running up to 1000 simulations, so loading even a few files in prj is not an option! I would prefer to parse from a formatted text file then work from the original .geo files. ------------------------------------------------- There are two issues here. First, because there are a specific set of keystrokes required to create a QA report this can be scripted. Essentially what you need to do is record the specific keystrokes you use to create a QA report when running the project manager in 'text' mode. Save these keystrokes to a file which will act as a script. Examples of scripts can be found in the validation/benchmark/QA/model/cfg e.g. the TEST. I attach a script that does this which you can run like QA_script model.cfg report.txt on most Linux boxes. Ensure the script has its permissions set to be executable. Replace model.cfg with the name of your model and report.txt with the name of the QA report you want to create. The zone geometry file only holds a portion of the information some people would want to know about in a QA report. Parsing the raw file would be a challenge for many people. The above script generated a QA report in an eye blink and the calling of the QA_script could itself be automated (e.g. as part of a 'find' command sequence). -Jon Hand -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This sensitivity seems to be machine specific. It might also be noticed for some users with the native windows version of ESp-r. If you have had problems with inputting the X and Y coordinates give this alternative approach a try. Regards, Jon Hand From matthew.wright at c4ci.eu Fri Jul 24 09:19:35 2009 From: matthew.wright at c4ci.eu (Matthew Wright) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 09:19:35 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r Installation on Ubuntu 9.04: How do you run it? Message-ID: <000c01ca0c37$7b7dd860$72798920$@wright@c4ci.eu> Hi all, I am a newbie to Ubuntu/Linux/Unix and last used command line instructions and text programming in the eighties in my youth. I have a limited experience of windows command line since. I am using Ubuntu's latest release, Jaunty Jackalope the 9.04 release. I have managed to compile from the central source code by following the instruction in "Installing Ubuntu 8.04 for use with ESP-r 8 May 2009 Jon W. Hand, ESRU, Glasgow, Scotland." This required some hacking about with finding the corresponding libraries and installation via Synaptic, and I've had a crash course introduction to command line via attempts at diagnosis. I had no error reports on installation, all the files appear to be there as far as I can tell, I even got the XML library to install etc. and used the GNU compilers. I've tried to look for an executable, read various postings, sought out linux/unix friends. I've tried relating comments about configuring files (env? Etc) but the file positions are not always the same in this compilation it appears. I've tried setting the terminal setting to treat command as 'shell login commands' and have considered trying to translate the comments in the Chilean Ubuntu posting, but my Spanish isn't up to it. I can't figure out how to get ESP-r to run! When I type 'esp-r' in command line I get - bash: esp-r: command not found Is this because - . I have to cd to the right directory then type 'esp-r' before it runs? . I have to change a terminal permission for command lines? . I have to enter some sort of PATH command into a file, move a file to the correct directory or something like that? . Edit a PATH command in a file? If anyone who has installed on this release from the source code using the svn server download could help I would really appreciate it. Regards Matt Physicist e: Matthew.Wright at c4ci.eu m: +44 (0)7908030742 p: +44 (0)1823 277316 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090724/7d585cfe/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Jul 24 09:53:02 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 09:53:02 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: ESP-r Installation on Ubuntu 9.04: How do you run it? In-Reply-To: <000c01ca0c37$7b7dd860$72798920$@wright@c4ci.eu> References: <000c01ca0c37$7b7dd860$72798920$@wright@c4ci.eu> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4137016534253@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A question about "bash: esp-r: command not found ________________________________________ I am a newbie to Ubuntu/Linux/Unix and last used command line instructions and text programming in the eighties in my youth. I have a limited experience of windows command line since. I am using Ubuntu?s latest release, Jaunty Jackalope the 9.04 release. I have managed to compile from the central source code by following the instruction in ?Installing Ubuntu 8.04 for use with ESP-r 8 May 2009 Jon W. Hand, ESRU, Glasgow, Scotland.? This required some hacking about with finding the corresponding libraries and installation via Synaptic, and I?ve had a crash course introduction to command line via attempts at diagnosis. I had no error reports on installation, all the files appear to be there as far as I can tell, I even got the XML library to install etc. and used the GNU compilers. I?ve tried to look for an executable, read various postings, sought out linux/unix friends. I?ve tried relating comments about configuring files (env? Etc) but the file positions are not always the same in this compilation it appears. I?ve tried setting the terminal setting to treat command as 'shell login commands? and have considered trying to translate the comments in the Chilean Ubuntu posting, but my Spanish isn?t up to it. I can?t figure out how to get ESP-r to run! When I type ?esp-r? in command line I get - bash: esp-r: command not found Is this because - ? I have to cd to the right directory then type ?esp-r? before it runs? ? I have to change a terminal permission for command lines? ? I have to enter some sort of PATH command into a file, move a file to the correct directory or something like that? ? Edit a PATH command in a file? If anyone who has installed on this release from the source code using the svn server download could help I would really appreciate it. ________________________________ For a newbe this is great progress. Only one task left to do. If the compile process installed the ESP-r distribution into /usr/esru then the executables for ESp-r will be found in /usr/esru/esp-r/bin So the step is to use a text editor on the .profile file which should be located in your home folder. Locate the line in the file that includes the phrase PATH= and change it to PATH="$HOME/bin:/usr/esru/esp-r/bin:$PATH" Log out and then log back in again and try the commands which esp-r which prj which res If you get a response for these then your environment has been setup. Note you can also start up esp-r by using the prj executable. To find out the available command line options for a module give the command prj -help clm -help -Jon Hand From felipe at b-green.cl Wed Jul 29 22:11:16 2009 From: felipe at b-green.cl (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Felipe_Dur=E1n?=) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:11:16 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Modelling a Machinery Room Message-ID: Dear All: I am modelling a machine room of an hydroelectric plant which has two 6000 kW generators. It would be an enormous help if anyone could tell me about the internal gains of that room. Any suggestions about how to figure out how big the internal gains produced by the generators would be ?. Any suggestions about how to model that kind of internal gains? Thank you in advance. Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Any suggestions about how to model that kind of internal gains? ___________________________________________ We had a issue like this about 5 years ago. High gains can be put in as W/m2 rather than W/zone (this gets you past on limit in the interface). And it is good to remember that most of the underlying correlations in simulation tools may not be valid when temperatures are exceptionally high (above 90C). If you can measure conditions (surface and air temperatures) in such a facility it might give you something to compare with. Also - some people have represented large heat generating equipment as thermal zones within the main thermal zone. Inject heat into the equipment-representing-zone(s) to get close to the measured surface temperatures of the equipment and allow the normal radiant and convective transfer to interact with the rest of the model. -Jon Hand From jake.zwart at sympatico.ca Thu Jul 30 17:26:55 2009 From: jake.zwart at sympatico.ca (Jake Zwart) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:26:55 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Modelling a Machinery Room In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4137016534272@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: When I read hydroelectric I think water turbine and your gains are the inefficiencies in the generator. You may want to clarify whether it is hydroelectric, or thermoelectric and what kind of cycle. Jake -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk]On Behalf Of Jon Hand Sent: July 30, 2009 5:25 AM To: Felipe Duran; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Modelling a Machinery Room A question about models with very high internal gains... ________________________________________ I am modelling a machine room of an hydroelectric plant which has two 6000 kW generators. It would be an enormous help if anyone could tell me about the internal gains of that room. Any suggestions about how to figure out how big the internal gains produced by the generators would be ?. Any suggestions about how to model that kind of internal gains? ___________________________________________ We had a issue like this about 5 years ago. High gains can be put in as W/m2 rather than W/zone (this gets you past on limit in the interface). And it is good to remember that most of the underlying correlations in simulation tools may not be valid when temperatures are exceptionally high (above 90C). If you can measure conditions (surface and air temperatures) in such a facility it might give you something to compare with. Also - some people have represented large heat generating equipment as thermal zones within the main thermal zone. Inject heat into the equipment-representing-zone(s) to get close to the measured surface temperatures of the equipment and allow the normal radiant and convective transfer to interact with the rest of the model. -Jon Hand _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From matthew.wright at c4ci.eu Thu Jul 30 17:56:56 2009 From: matthew.wright at c4ci.eu (Matthew Wright) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:56:56 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] FW: Modelling a Machinery Room Message-ID: <006401ca1136$c0104b80$4030e280$@wright@c4ci.eu> This maybe over simple, but hopefully it helps. Regards ? Matt Matthew Wright MA Physics (Oxon) PGCE Physicist ? e: Matthew.Wright at c4ci.eu m: +44 (0)7908030742 p: +44 (0)1823 277316 ? ? -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Wright [mailto:matthew.wright at c4ci.eu] Sent: 30 July 2009 09:05 To: 'Felipe Dur?n' Subject: RE: [esp-r] Modelling a Machinery Room Felipe, Try this analysis as a first approximation, it should be fairly good. The gains to the plant room will effectively be the losses from the generators. That is there will be power input, mechanically from the turbines, and a power output from the turbines. The difference between the two at any time will be the power left in the plant room. This energy flow will come in several forms; heat, sound, mechanical wear to components, etc. It is a fairly safe assumption that the vast majority of this dissipated energy will become heat in the room. This gives - (heating power into room) = (power into turbines) - (electrical power out) Most generation equipment should have efficiency graphs, tables, and coefficients. That is, you can relate (usually through a fairly constant number) the amount of power out to the amount of power in. If you know the amount of power being produced over time (the rated power here is 2 x 6000 kW) you can relate the (power in) to the (power out). (Mechanical power in) x efficiency = (Electrical power out) Note: efficiency will be less than 1.00, a fraction or decimal This rearranges to give - power out (12000 kW)/ efficiency of turbines = mechanical power into plant room. This should allow you to find the difference and the residual heat. Hopefully this is not too simple an analysis and helps. You could try working from the energy of the water falling through the turbines, but you would have to know the efficiency of the mechanical turbine, and calculations with the torque and rotational speed are possible for the generator input, but you shouldn't need that level of detail. *For a more realistic analysis, try getting the actual electrical power output records, and relate them to the power input as suggested. It is rare for any plant room to run at full capacity all the time.* Regards ? Matt ? -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Felipe Dur?n Sent: 29 July 2009 22:11 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Modelling a Machinery Room Dear All: I am modelling a machine room of an hydroelectric plant which has two 6000 kW generators. It would be an enormous help if anyone could tell me about the internal gains of that room. Any suggestions about how to figure out how big the internal gains produced by the generators would be ?. Any suggestions about how to model that kind of internal gains? Thank you in advance. Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as From sumwelamos at yahoo.com Thu Jul 30 19:05:34 2009 From: sumwelamos at yahoo.com (samuel amos-abanyie) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:05:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [esp-r] How to create a local weather file Message-ID: <62844.36470.qm@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear?All, Help please! ? I am at the planning?stage of?modeling?a public office building in Ghana. I have a local weather data from a data logger. How do I get it in format ready for use by ESP-r. ? Thank you, amos ? SAMUEL AMOS-ABANYIE (+233) 51-62000? / 244 -256552 email: sumwelamos at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So only a fraction of the produced heat will really heat up the machine room... regards Bernhard From matthew.wright at c4ci.eu Fri Jul 31 13:10:52 2009 From: matthew.wright at c4ci.eu (Matthew Wright) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:10:52 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: FW: Modelling a Machinery Room In-Reply-To: <4A72D416.2020108@tugraz.at> References: <006401ca1136$c0104b80$4030e280$@wright@c4ci.eu> <4A72D416.2020108@tugraz.at> Message-ID: <002201ca11d7$f59b58c0$e0d20a40$@wright@c4ci.eu> Agreed, I was assuming the turbines outside room, or water cooled as you say. The losses I was thinking of were electrical, which are much easier to determine. In addition, if the plant has not yet been built, then similar plants electrical output levels compared to rated capacity would give a reasonable guess at actual production and so heat gains. Regards Matt -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Bernhard Schweighofer Sent: 31 July 2009 12:23 To: esp-r Subject: [esp-r] Re: FW: Modelling a Machinery Room Matthew Wright schrieb: > This maybe over simple, but hopefully it helps. > [...] > -----Original Message----- > I am modelling a machine room of an hydroelectric plant which has two 6000 > kW generators. One further thought you should take into consideration: Since you write, it is a 'hydroelectric' plant, most of the produced heat (losses of the turbine and the electric generator) will be in the water flowing through the turbine. So only a fraction of the produced heat will really heat up the machine room... regards Bernhard _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From lzytongji at yahoo.com.cn Wed Aug 5 08:06:49 2009 From: lzytongji at yahoo.com.cn (=?utf-8?B?5p2O5b+X6Iux?=) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:06:49 +0800 (CST) Subject: [esp-r] how to add a new classification in the materials Message-ID: <397493.56619.qm@web15908.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> Hi, ? ?? I copy the standard materials into model foder and select "browse/edit" to add a new classification to add new item into the classification. But?I can't create a new classification for the matrials. So someone can give me help. ? Thanks, Teresa ___________________________________________________________ ????????????????? http://card.mail.cn.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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One work around is to edit the ASCII version of the materials database to add in a new category (this task is somewhat more complex than an email message can explain). If you absolutely must have a new classification please email me the ASCII version of the materials database you wish to modify along with notes about the name of the new classification and the details of the new item that you want to add and I will attempt to do this edit. A simpler option is to add the new 'item' into an existing classification. Note that the process works better if you have copied the ASCII version of the materials database rather than the binary version. To find out if this is the case check to see if the original file that you copied ends with a '.a'. The interface to the materials databases will be the subject of some revisions in the next few months to reduce such problems. -Jon Hand From hwan at dasskorea.com Wed Aug 5 19:19:47 2009 From: hwan at dasskorea.com (=?EUC-KR?B?sei5zsiv?=) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 03:19:47 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] casual gain input standard Message-ID: Hi all~ We are looking for any standards or typical practice for 1. conversion factor from electric power of appliance (e.g. personal computer) to casual gain 2. ratio of sensible and latent heat in occupants casual gains 3. typical lighting casual gains in office or in laboratory. cuz there is almost no standards in Korea yet regarding this issue. Any hints or idea will be very much appreciated. Thank you in advance. Minhwan Kim -- Researcher, Integrated Simulation Team, DASS consultants Ltd. 632-9 Guui 1(il)-dong Gwangjin-gu Seoul (143-834 Korea) T. 82.2.913.2585/ F. 82.2.949.2585/ H. www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090806/c6ef1805/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Thu Aug 6 07:18:24 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:18:24 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: casual gain input standard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000601ca165d$becac5d0$3c605170$@geissler@intergga.ch> Hi Minhwan Kim some data from various sources: 1. You can assume that the electricity is converted to heat for small power. 250 W specification = 250 W internal gain as long as it is running. If any small power source has a ?standby mode?, the specs usually also give the wattage for this. Again, this wattage can be assumed to be injected into the zone as sensible heat. The ?convective / radiative? split is approx 60c, 40r, typically (depends on casing etc. , a PC will typically have even more convective, as the casing usually does not get very warm. A Laptop will have more radiative, possibly). 2. Attached is (hopefully) a graph (?W?rmeabgabe? = heat gain, ?Strahlung? = radiation, ?W?rmeleitung? = conduction and ?Verdunstung? = latent). The range between 19 and 30 degC ?Lufttemperatur? = air temperature is the region of interest, of course. Here overall heat is approx. 120 W/Person with the temperature dependant split as given in the graph. This can be scaled to other heat gains, e.g. 131 W for ?normal office work? [Z?rcher et. al., 2003]. 3. According to Swiss recommendations: 10 ? 12 W/m2 installed is good (currently) and 15 ? 18 W/m2 is easily reached when not carefully designed. Best regards Achim From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? Sent: Mittwoch, 5. August 2009 20:20 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] casual gain input standard Hi all~ We are looking for any standards or typical practice for 1. conversion factor from electric power of appliance (e.g. personal computer) to casual gain 2. ratio of sensible and latent heat in occupants casual gains 3. typical lighting casual gains in office or in laboratory. cuz there is almost no standards in Korea yet regarding this issue. Any hints or idea will be very much appreciated. Thank you in advance. Minhwan Kim -- Researcher, Integrated Simulation Team, DASS consultants Ltd. 632-9 Guui 1(il)-dong Gwangjin-gu Seoul (143-834 Korea) T. 82.2.913.2585/ F. 82.2.949.2585/ H. www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Quota esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk: > Send esp-r mailing list submissions to > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk > > You can reach the person managing the list at > esp-r-owner at lists.strath.ac.uk > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 03:19:47 +0900 > From: ??? > Subject: [esp-r] casual gain input standard > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi all~ > We are looking for any standards or typical practice for > > 1. conversion factor from electric power of appliance (e.g. personal > computer) to casual gain > > 2. ratio of sensible and latent heat in occupants casual gains > > 3. typical lighting casual gains in office or in laboratory. > > cuz there is almost no standards in Korea yet regarding this issue. > > Any hints or idea will be very much appreciated. > > Thank you in advance. > > Minhwan Kim > > -- > Researcher, > Integrated Simulation Team, DASS consultants Ltd. > > 632-9 Guui 1(il)-dong Gwangjin-gu Seoul (143-834 Korea) > T. 82.2.913.2585/ F. 82.2.949.2585/ H. www.dasskorea.com dear Kim You can find some tables about internal gains in standard ISO 13790:2008 Energy performance of buildings -- Calculation of energy use for space heating and cooling. The tables report also the time distribution of internal gains. unfortunately now I'm not in office and so I'm not able to report you directly the tables. best regards marco -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria Navale, del Mare e per l'Ambiente | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From francesco.frontini at polimi.it Sat Aug 8 08:19:34 2009 From: francesco.frontini at polimi.it (francesco.frontini at polimi.it) Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 09:19:34 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Problem with subversion download Message-ID: <20090808091934.f19859rglc4844wo@webmail.polimi.it> Hi all, I am trying to download the latest version of ESPr (11.7) using the command: svn checkout https://esp-r.net/espr/esp-r/trunk but unfortunately I received this error message: svn: Could not open the requested SVN filesystem Any Idea or suggestion. If I use the http instead of the https, it asks me the Username and the PSW. I would like to download the native version (not precompiled). I am using Opensuse. Thank you very much in advance Francesco From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Sat Aug 8 15:15:35 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 16:15:35 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problem with subversion download In-Reply-To: <20090808091934.f19859rglc4844wo@webmail.polimi.it> References: <20090808091934.f19859rglc4844wo@webmail.polimi.it> Message-ID: <866490B7-DF2F-47C5-9279-499C44CC70E0@intergga.ch> Hi Francesco it seems the repository has changed address: https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/ Regards Achim On Aug 8, 2009, at 9:19 AM, francesco.frontini at polimi.it wrote: > Hi all, > I am trying to download the latest version of ESPr (11.7) using the > command: > > svn checkout https://esp-r.net/espr/esp-r/trunk > > but unfortunately I received this error message: > > svn: Could not open the requested SVN filesystem > > Any Idea or suggestion. > > If I use the http instead of the https, it asks me the Username and > the PSW. > > I would like to download the native version (not precompiled). > I am using Opensuse. > > Thank you very much in advance > > Francesco > > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > achim.geissler at intergga.ch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards Francesco From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Aug 10 11:11:06 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:11:06 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problem with subversion download In-Reply-To: <20090810090733.m7kvjisvkskw0ogg@webmail.polimi.it> References: <20090810090733.m7kvjisvkskw0ogg@webmail.polimi.it> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372ECEA4311@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> The name and password are the sequence that you had to give when the branch was originally setup. On some machines you are asked for the login name and password for the local machine that you are working on prior to the account name that cvsdude uses for access. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of francesco.frontini at polimi.it [francesco.frontini at polimi.it] Sent: 10 August 2009 08:07 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problem with subversion download Hi all again, I try the new suggested repository https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/ but it asks me for Userename and password. Any Idea? Regards Francesco _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Mon Aug 10 13:44:01 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:44:01 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problem with subversion download In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372ECEA4311@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <20090810090733.m7kvjisvkskw0ogg@webmail.polimi.it> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372ECEA4311@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <000901ca19b8$3d96f2a0$b8c4d7e0$@geissler@intergga.ch> Should downloading the trunk require a user/password? I think it didn't, before. Achim -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jon Hand Sent: Montag, 10. August 2009 12:11 To: francesco.frontini at polimi.it; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problem with subversion download The name and password are the sequence that you had to give when the branch was originally setup. On some machines you are asked for the login name and password for the local machine that you are working on prior to the account name that cvsdude uses for access. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of francesco.frontini at polimi.it [francesco.frontini at polimi.it] Sent: 10 August 2009 08:07 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problem with subversion download Hi all again, I try the new suggested repository https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/ but it asks me for Userename and password. Any Idea? Regards Francesco _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From blomanow at engmail.uwaterloo.ca Wed Aug 12 13:18:44 2009 From: blomanow at engmail.uwaterloo.ca (Bart Lomanowski) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:18:44 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problem with subversion download In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090812081844.299152k60i31dtcs@www.nexusmail.uwaterloo.ca> I have reinstated general read only permissions for the repository so it should no longer be a problem. - Bart From Bartosz.Lomanowski at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca Thu Aug 13 16:59:24 2009 From: Bartosz.Lomanowski at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca (Lomanowski, Bartosz) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:59:24 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] commit logs - email notification settings Message-ID: For those users that have an esp-r.net account and do not wish to receive commit log emails, you may do so by going to cvsdude.com and logging in with your esp-r.net credentials. Then go to My Settings in the top right corner, Email Notification Preferences->Edit, check the "Use my own settings" box and leave the "Enable email notifications" box unchecked. Click OK and you're done. - Bart NRCan, Canada From ptavares at isec.pt Mon Aug 17 11:55:11 2009 From: ptavares at isec.pt (Paulo Filipe de Almeida Ferreira Tavares) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:55:11 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Limit number of windows in a surface Message-ID: <1625FB29959296499A2997A53E23F54201730F85@mailx.isec.pt> Hi all! In my model some surfaces have 5 and 6 (and even more) windows. When i try to enter the second one in a surface, the program gives me a message to link this one to the other lower vertice of the surface. This means that i just can have 2 windows per surface? So i must put an equivalent window area (to that 5 or more) in the surface? Or can i link more than one window to the same lower vertices? If i do this, ESP-r will have fatal errors? Sorry to make this questions, but the "Cookbook" don't refer this... I would apprecciate any kind of help, before made any mistake that will lead me to a long time of corrections! Regards, Paulo Tavares -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090817/04acbd0e/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Aug 17 15:33:01 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:33:01 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Limit number of windows in a surface In-Reply-To: <1625FB29959296499A2997A53E23F54201730F85@mailx.isec.pt> References: <1625FB29959296499A2997A53E23F54201730F85@mailx.isec.pt> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372ECEA432E@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A question about facade complexity... ________________________________________ In my model some surfaces have 5 and 6 (and even more) windows. When i try to enter the second one in a surface, the program gives me a message to link this one to the other lower vertice of the surface. This means that i just can have 2 windows per surface? So i must put an equivalent window area (to that 5 or more) in the surface? Or can i link more than one window to the same lower vertices? If i do this, ESP-r will have fatal errors? _________________________________________ There is a limit to the number of edges that can form a polygon. Each window you add adds 6 more edges to the parent surface. Also, it has proven difficult for users to keep track of the dozens of edges needed in the parent surface if there are more than two child surfaces. Depending on the arrangement of the windows in your facade there are different ways to approach this. This is somewhat difficult to describe in an email. What we normally recommend is to use more parent surfaces (e.g. split the wall) so that each part of the facade is not so complex. -Jon Hand From bob.irving at brookes.ac.uk Thu Aug 20 14:44:34 2009 From: bob.irving at brookes.ac.uk (Bob Irving) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:44:34 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Simulating UFH vs radiators Message-ID: <948F50BA-7A4F-41B2-A3B5-630B8E0EE182@brookes.ac.uk> Dear list, I'd like to run some simulations comparing the effects of using radiators at lower temperatures with UFH, viz. trying to see how oversized rads at what temperatures have to be to deliver the same level of warmth as UFH. I have done some monitoring of heat pumps retro-fitted in houses with rads where the output temperatures from the hps are nowhere near as high as should be expected, yet the houses are adequately warm...... I am reasonable well up on IES VE, which I don't think can do this simulation, so can ESP-R (preferably without too much effort)??? TIA Bob Irving PhD researcher Oxford Inst of Sustainable Development Oxford Brookes University 01865 484201 01285 650281 From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Fri Aug 21 09:12:18 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:12:18 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Simulating UFH vs radiators In-Reply-To: <948F50BA-7A4F-41B2-A3B5-630B8E0EE182@brookes.ac.uk> References: <948F50BA-7A4F-41B2-A3B5-630B8E0EE182@brookes.ac.uk> Message-ID: <000001ca2237$20f8c380$62ea4a80$@geissler@intergga.ch> Dear Bob not being attached to the originators of the program, maybe it is for me to say: ESP-r can do practically anything. However, "not too much effort" can only be expected for the "usual" things. I understand only half of what you want to do (the abbreviations are a bit terse for a "non-native english speaker"), but ESP-r has many possibilities in regard to modeling long wave radiation (I assume you mean with "radiators"). So, maybe explain what aspects IES can't cover, give more detail in regard to where you see simulation-wise problems and maybe simply try it out - it's readily available, after all. Probably, ESP-r can do it. But not necessarily without (too much) effort. Achim -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Bob Irving Sent: Donnerstag, 20. August 2009 15:45 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Simulating UFH vs radiators Dear list, I'd like to run some simulations comparing the effects of using radiators at lower temperatures with UFH, viz. trying to see how oversized rads at what temperatures have to be to deliver the same level of warmth as UFH. I have done some monitoring of heat pumps retro-fitted in houses with rads where the output temperatures from the hps are nowhere near as high as should be expected, yet the houses are adequately warm...... I am reasonable well up on IES VE, which I don't think can do this simulation, so can ESP-R (preferably without too much effort)??? TIA Bob Irving PhD researcher Oxford Inst of Sustainable Development Oxford Brookes University 01865 484201 01285 650281 _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk Fri Aug 21 10:41:23 2009 From: aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk (Aizaz Samuel) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:41:23 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Simulating UFH vs radiators In-Reply-To: <948F50BA-7A4F-41B2-A3B5-630B8E0EE182@brookes.ac.uk> References: <948F50BA-7A4F-41B2-A3B5-630B8E0EE182@brookes.ac.uk> Message-ID: <200908211041.23474.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> Bob, You may want to look at the ADEPT tool (which is a front end to ESP-r and is bundled up with presimulated results) available from sesg.strath.ac.uk > downloads. The tool allows you to view simulation results and amongst other things to compare the performance of underfloor and radiator systems -- without running simulations. Making changes to system and control parameters is also possible but if you want to change the system then you will have to fall back to ESP-r. In that case you may take the underlying model as a starting point. Some background material has already been published at BS'09 conference (look for authors A Samuel and J Cockroft) Dr Aizaz A Samuel Department of Mechanical Engineering University of Strathclyde M324 James Weir Building 75 Montrose Street Glasgow, UK G1 1XJ T:+44 141 548 5765 F:+44 141 552 5105 On Thursday 20 August 2009 14:44, Bob Irving wrote: > Dear list, > I'd like to run some simulations comparing the effects of using > radiators at lower temperatures with UFH, viz. trying to see how > oversized rads at what temperatures have to be to deliver the same > level of warmth as UFH. I have done some monitoring of heat pumps > retro-fitted in houses with rads where the output temperatures from > the hps are nowhere near as high as should be expected, yet the houses > are adequately warm...... > > I am reasonable well up on IES VE, which I don't think can do this > simulation, so can ESP-R (preferably without too much effort)??? > > TIA > Bob Irving > PhD researcher > Oxford Inst of Sustainable Development > Oxford Brookes University > > 01865 484201 > 01285 650281 > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From bob.irving at brookes.ac.uk Fri Aug 21 09:39:12 2009 From: bob.irving at brookes.ac.uk (Bob Irving) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:39:12 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Simulating UFH vs radiators In-Reply-To: <000001ca2237$20f8c380$62ea4a80$@geissler@intergga.ch> References: <948F50BA-7A4F-41B2-A3B5-630B8E0EE182@brookes.ac.uk> <000001ca2237$20f8c380$62ea4a80$@geissler@intergga.ch> Message-ID: <064EFE09-12E4-4E6E-8869-AEC54E4D85DE@brookes.ac.uk> I'm sorry, my original message did rather assume a British background..... For UFH, I mean "underfloor heating" - distribution of heat by water running in pipes immediately below the floor surface. By radiators, I mean the large flat metal things attached to walls which have water running through them to distribute heat. The theory says that underfloor heating can use lower temperatures because of the larger area and is therefore more suitable for heat pump heating systems. Radiator systems are suppose to need higher temperatures because of their smaller area. However, the occupants of the houses, where I am monitoring heat pumps, find the temperatures OK though the output temperatures from the heat pumps are not that high. I would like to explore through simulation what's going on. IES VE does not appear to allow you to specify different heat distribution systems. I don't think it allows you to specify the maximum temperature for distribution. I hope that this clearer! Bob Irving On 21 Aug 2009, at 09:12, Achim Geissler wrote: > Dear Bob > > not being attached to the originators of the program, maybe it is > for me to > say: ESP-r can do practically anything. However, "not too much > effort" can > only be expected for the "usual" things. > > I understand only half of what you want to do (the abbreviations > are a bit > terse for a "non-native english speaker"), but ESP-r has many > possibilities > in regard to modeling long wave radiation (I assume you mean with > "radiators"). > > So, maybe explain what aspects IES can't cover, give more detail in > regard > to where you see simulation-wise problems and maybe simply try it > out - it's > readily available, after all. Probably, ESP-r can do it. But not > necessarily > without (too much) effort. > > Achim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Bob Irving > Sent: Donnerstag, 20. August 2009 15:45 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Simulating UFH vs radiators > > Dear list, > I'd like to run some simulations comparing the effects of using > radiators at lower temperatures with UFH, viz. trying to see how > oversized rads at what temperatures have to be to deliver the same > level of warmth as UFH. I have done some monitoring of heat pumps > retro-fitted in houses with rads where the output temperatures from > the hps are nowhere near as high as should be expected, yet the houses > are adequately warm...... > > I am reasonable well up on IES VE, which I don't think can do this > simulation, so can ESP-R (preferably without too much effort)??? > > TIA > Bob Irving > PhD researcher > Oxford Inst of Sustainable Development > Oxford Brookes University > > 01865 484201 > 01285 650281 > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Sun Aug 23 17:13:08 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:13:08 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Simulating UFH vs radiators In-Reply-To: <064EFE09-12E4-4E6E-8869-AEC54E4D85DE@brookes.ac.uk> References: <948F50BA-7A4F-41B2-A3B5-630B8E0EE182@brookes.ac.uk> <000001ca2237$20f8c380$62ea4a80$@geissler@intergga.ch> <064EFE09-12E4-4E6E-8869-AEC54E4D85DE@brookes.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Bob thanks for the more detailed information (and sorry for my directness ... I assume, however, that more than half the people on the list are non-native speakers of English - that would be an interesting statistic, how the list is growing / where the members come from). As Aizaz wrote, there are exemplars with radiators and UFH systems. However, these components are "Plant" - the learning curve for plants is steeper than for the "simple" zones IMO (not to speak of the combination of both which would of course be desirable). But if the existing exemplars are already close to what you want, small changes should not be too difficult. You could also model the systems as "zones only" - ESP-r is flexible enough for that. The underfloor heating would be a thin zone under the "main" zone of interest controlled to the temperature desired (this would lack a temperature difference between inlet and outlet, of course - at least in the "one zone" approach). The radiator could also be modeled as a zone or possibly a hanging surface (not sure if / how one can control the temperature then, though. So, as originally stated, yes, ESP-r can model what you need. But depending on approach, not "without effort". Best regards Achim On Aug 21, 2009, at 10:39 AM, Bob Irving wrote: > I'm sorry, my original message did rather assume a British > background..... > > For UFH, I mean "underfloor heating" - distribution of heat by water > running in pipes immediately below the floor surface. > By radiators, I mean the large flat metal things attached to walls > which have water running through them to distribute heat. > > The theory says that underfloor heating can use lower temperatures > because of the larger area and is therefore more suitable for heat > pump heating systems. > Radiator systems are suppose to need higher temperatures because of > their smaller area. > However, the occupants of the houses, where I am monitoring heat > pumps, find the temperatures OK though the output temperatures from > the heat pumps are not that high. > > I would like to explore through simulation what's going on. > > IES VE does not appear to allow you to specify different heat > distribution systems. I don't think it allows you to specify the > maximum temperature for distribution. > > I hope that this clearer! > > Bob Irving > > On 21 Aug 2009, at 09:12, Achim Geissler wrote: > >> Dear Bob >> >> not being attached to the originators of the program, maybe it is >> for me to >> say: ESP-r can do practically anything. However, "not too much >> effort" can >> only be expected for the "usual" things. >> >> I understand only half of what you want to do (the abbreviations >> are a bit >> terse for a "non-native english speaker"), but ESP-r has many >> possibilities >> in regard to modeling long wave radiation (I assume you mean with >> "radiators"). >> >> So, maybe explain what aspects IES can't cover, give more detail in >> regard >> to where you see simulation-wise problems and maybe simply try it >> out - it's >> readily available, after all. Probably, ESP-r can do it. But not >> necessarily >> without (too much) effort. >> >> Achim >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk >> [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Bob Irving >> Sent: Donnerstag, 20. August 2009 15:45 >> To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> Subject: [esp-r] Simulating UFH vs radiators >> >> Dear list, >> I'd like to run some simulations comparing the effects of using >> radiators at lower temperatures with UFH, viz. trying to see how >> oversized rads at what temperatures have to be to deliver the same >> level of warmth as UFH. I have done some monitoring of heat pumps >> retro-fitted in houses with rads where the output temperatures from >> the hps are nowhere near as high as should be expected, yet the >> houses >> are adequately warm...... >> >> I am reasonable well up on IES VE, which I don't think can do this >> simulation, so can ESP-R (preferably without too much effort)??? >> >> TIA >> Bob Irving >> PhD researcher >> Oxford Inst of Sustainable Development >> Oxford Brookes University >> >> 01865 484201 >> 01285 650281 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> esp-r mailing list >> esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> esp-r mailing list >> esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > achim.geissler at intergga.ch From David.Tang at owenscorning.com Mon Aug 24 03:30:28 2009 From: David.Tang at owenscorning.com (Tang, David) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 10:30:28 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] Solar multiple tramsmission In-Reply-To: References: <948F50BA-7A4F-41B2-A3B5-630B8E0EE182@brookes.ac.uk> <000001ca2237$20f8c380$62ea4a80$@geissler@intergga.ch> <064EFE09-12E4-4E6E-8869-AEC54E4D85DE@brookes.ac.uk> Message-ID: <75C7116929E8744596D1F206448AEB1D1FC60558E5@APHS7200.ap.corp.owenscorning.com> Community, Can anyone tell if esp-r be able handle multiple solar transimssion? We intend to model a site with buildings covered by semi open glass shade. The shade is made of double pane low-e glasses shaped a huge pyramid slant-cut from diagonal with openings at bottom and top to encourage natural ventilation. It is essential to model direct and diffuse solar transmission through the glass shade into the rooms of the buildings. Regards, David Tang Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions Owens Corning T: +86 21 6101 9587; F: +86 21 6101 9588; m: +86 13817249419 The information contained in this communication and its attachment(s) is intended only for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or exempt from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify postmaster at owenscorning.com and delete the communication without retaining any copies. Thank you. Translations available: http://www.owenscorning.com/emailfooter.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Mon Aug 24 07:01:49 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:01:49 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Solar multiple tramsmission In-Reply-To: <75C7116929E8744596D1F206448AEB1D1FC60558E5@APHS7200.ap.corp.owenscorning.com> References: <948F50BA-7A4F-41B2-A3B5-630B8E0EE182@brookes.ac.uk> <000001ca2237$20f8c380$62ea4a80$@geissler@intergga.ch> <064EFE09-12E4-4E6E-8869-AEC54E4D85DE@brookes.ac.uk> <75C7116929E8744596D1F206448AEB1D1FC60558E5@APHS7200.ap.corp.owenscorning.com> Message-ID: <000001ca2480$61926b80$24b74280$@geissler@intergga.ch> Hi Tang in general, yes and no. The "normal" obstructions you can use for shading in ESP-r are opaque. However, if I understand your intentions correctly, you could model what you describe with a kind of "double fa?ade" approach. If you including a flow network, you can then also simulate the natural / stack ventilation. If you then improve resolution on the solar radiation distribution ("calculate insolation" zone by zone into the deeper zones), the "following" of the solar radiation should be detailed enough. I don?t know if this approach has made its way into the CookBook, yet. However, some time back there was a posting on this list in regard to how to set it up (don?t have the link, though - maybe somebody else). Regards Achim -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tang, David Sent: Montag, 24. August 2009 04:30 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Cc: Tang, David Subject: [esp-r] Solar multiple tramsmission Community, Can anyone tell if esp-r be able handle multiple solar transimssion? We intend to model a site with buildings covered by semi open glass shade. The shade is made of double pane low-e glasses shaped a huge pyramid slant-cut from diagonal with openings at bottom and top to encourage natural ventilation. It is essential to model direct and diffuse solar transmission through the glass shade into the rooms of the buildings. Regards, David Tang Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions Owens Corning T: +86 21 6101 9587; F: +86 21 6101 9588; m: +86 13817249419 The information contained in this communication and its attachment(s) is intended only for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or exempt from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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Translations available: http://www.owenscorning.com/emailfooter.html _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From David.Tang at owenscorning.com Mon Aug 24 09:47:59 2009 From: David.Tang at owenscorning.com (Tang, David) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:47:59 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Solar multiple tramsmission In-Reply-To: <000001ca2480$61926b80$24b74280$@geissler@intergga.ch> References: <948F50BA-7A4F-41B2-A3B5-630B8E0EE182@brookes.ac.uk> <000001ca2237$20f8c380$62ea4a80$@geissler@intergga.ch> <064EFE09-12E4-4E6E-8869-AEC54E4D85DE@brookes.ac.uk> <75C7116929E8744596D1F206448AEB1D1FC60558E5@APHS7200.ap.corp.owenscorning.com> <000001ca2480$61926b80$24b74280$@geissler@intergga.ch> Message-ID: <75C7116929E8744596D1F206448AEB1D1FC60559EF@APHS7200.ap.corp.owenscorning.com> Achim, Thanks for the contributions. Cut from the ridge, the section looks like this. [cid:894223308 at 24082009-1DC9] Regards, David Tang Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions Owens Corning T: +86 21 6101 9587; F: +86 21 6101 9588; m: +86 13817249419 > -----Original Message----- > From: Achim Geissler [mailto:achim.geissler at intergga.ch] > Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:02 PM > To: Tang, David; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: RE: [esp-r] Solar multiple tramsmission > > Hi Tang > > in general, yes and no. The "normal" obstructions you can use > for shading in ESP-r are opaque. However, if I understand > your intentions correctly, you could model what you describe > with a kind of "double fa?ade" approach. If you including a > flow network, you can then also simulate the natural / stack > ventilation. If you then improve resolution on the solar > radiation distribution ("calculate insolation" zone by zone > into the deeper zones), the "following" of the solar > radiation should be detailed enough. I don't know if this > approach has made its way into the CookBook, yet. However, > some time back there was a posting on this list in regard to > how to set it up (don't have the link, though - maybe somebody else). > > Regards > Achim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tang, David > Sent: Montag, 24. August 2009 04:30 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Cc: Tang, David > Subject: [esp-r] Solar multiple tramsmission > > Community, > > Can anyone tell if esp-r be able handle multiple solar transimssion? > > We intend to model a site with buildings covered by semi open > glass shade. > The shade is made of double pane low-e glasses shaped a huge > pyramid slant-cut from diagonal with openings at bottom and > top to encourage natural ventilation. It is essential to > model direct and diffuse solar transmission through the glass > shade into the rooms of the buildings. > > > Regards, > > David Tang > Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions > Owens Corning > T: +86 21 6101 9587; F: +86 21 6101 9588; m: +86 13817249419 > > The information contained in this communication and its > attachment(s) is intended only for the use of the individual > to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is > privileged, confidential, or exempt from disclosure. If the > reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are > hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or > copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you > have received this communication in error, please notify > postmaster at owenscorning.com and delete the communication > without retaining any copies. 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Maybe an obstruction pattern with reduced area such that transmission is equivalent is easier (however, the max number of obstructions may be limiting). 2) Why is tracking solar to high detail important for the analysis? If it is daylight, then coupling with Radiance would come to mind (obstructions for the ?energy? calcs done by ESP-r, actual glazing for the daylight calcs done by Radiance). Regards Achim From: Tang, David [mailto:David.Tang at owenscorning.com] Sent: Montag, 24. August 2009 10:48 To: Achim Geissler; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: [esp-r] Solar multiple tramsmission Achim, Thanks for the contributions. Cut from the ridge, the section looks like this. Regards, David Tang Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions Owens Corning T: +86 21 6101 9587; F: +86 21 6101 9588; m: +86 13817249419 > -----Original Message----- > From: Achim Geissler [mailto:achim.geissler at intergga.ch] > Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:02 PM > To: Tang, David; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: RE: [esp-r] Solar multiple tramsmission > > Hi Tang > > in general, yes and no. The "normal" obstructions you can use > for shading in ESP-r are opaque. However, if I understand > your intentions correctly, you could model what you describe > with a kind of "double fa?ade" approach. If you including a > flow network, you can then also simulate the natural / stack > ventilation. If you then improve resolution on the solar > radiation distribution ("calculate insolation" zone by zone > into the deeper zones), the "following" of the solar > radiation should be detailed enough. I don?t know if this > approach has made its way into the CookBook, yet. However, > some time back there was a posting on this list in regard to > how to set it up (don?t have the link, though - maybe somebody else). > > Regards > Achim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tang, David > Sent: Montag, 24. August 2009 04:30 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Cc: Tang, David > Subject: [esp-r] Solar multiple tramsmission > > Community, > > Can anyone tell if esp-r be able handle multiple solar transimssion? > > We intend to model a site with buildings covered by semi open > glass shade. > The shade is made of double pane low-e glasses shaped a huge > pyramid slant-cut from diagonal with openings at bottom and > top to encourage natural ventilation. It is essential to > model direct and diffuse solar transmission through the glass > shade into the rooms of the buildings. > > > Regards, > > David Tang > Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions > Owens Corning > T: +86 21 6101 9587; F: +86 21 6101 9588; m: +86 13817249419 > > The information contained in this communication and its > attachment(s) is intended only for the use of the individual > to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is > privileged, confidential, or exempt from disclosure. If the > reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are > hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or > copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you > have received this communication in error, please notify > postmaster at owenscorning.com and delete the communication > without retaining any copies. 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We want to model the cooling/heating loads and running costs of the buildings, some of the street and roof-level areas and for the covered area as a whole. Lighting is not an issue as we are proficient in tools like Radiance, Relux, etc. Would welcome anyone sharing experience in similar cases and developers who are intetested in implementing this capacity into esp-r. Regards, David Tang Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions Owens Corning T: +86 21 6101 9587; F: +86 21 6101 9588; m: +86 13817249419 ________________________________ From: Achim Geissler [mailto:achim.geissler at intergga.ch] Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 5:05 PM To: Tang, David; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: [esp-r] Solar multiple tramsmission David two thoughts: 1) Quite large for a double facade ;o). Maybe an obstruction pattern with reduced area such that transmission is equivalent is easier (however, the max number of obstructions may be limiting). 2) Why is tracking solar to high detail important for the analysis? If it is daylight, then coupling with Radiance would come to mind (obstructions for the "energy" calcs done by ESP-r, actual glazing for the daylight calcs done by Radiance). Regards Achim From: Tang, David [mailto:David.Tang at owenscorning.com] Sent: Montag, 24. August 2009 10:48 To: Achim Geissler; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: [esp-r] Solar multiple tramsmission Achim, Thanks for the contributions. Cut from the ridge, the section looks like this. 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Summarize the steps performed to install esp-r 11.7: 1) I Install Ubuntu 9.04 2) I Install Packages lib2c, ImageMagick and gfortran 4.3.3 (after checking gcc - version) 3) Run as root / tmp/esp-r_v11.7_linux_precomp.run 4) I update my profile bash.bashrc (add PATH=:/opt/esru/bin:/opt/esru/esp-r/bin; see attached) 5) I launch by shell esp-r or prj but the command is not found, if I go into / opt / esru / esp-r / bin and run ./prj, then the answer is: ./prj: error while loading shared libraries: libgfortran.so.1: can not open shared object file: No such file or directory Someone can help to resolve this problem? Thanks in advance Best regards, Giulio B. 2009/8/25 Jon Hand > > You need to install the gfortran compiler to match the GCC compiler > that is already on your computer. Ubuntu package manager is the > tool to use. > > in a command line give the command > gcc --version > > if it says gcc 4.1 then in the package manager do a search for gfortran > and if you are given more than one option select the 4.1 version. > > -Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of giulio benincasa [gialloneroverde at gmail.com] > Sent: 25 August 2009 14:44 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Installation esp-r 11.7 on Ubuntu 9.04 > > Hi all, > > I dont able to work with esp-r 11.7 on Ubuntu 9.04 because I can't find > libgfortran.so.1 : when in the terminal I run prj the answer is there isnt > libgfortran.so.1, but if I try to install libgfortran.so.1 the answer is > that there is a most recent version ...... > > Someone knows how to resolve this problem? > > Thanks in advance > Best regards, > Giulio B. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Summarize the steps performed to install esp-r 11.7: 1) I Install Ubuntu 9.04 2) I Install Packages lib2c, ImageMagick and gfortran 4.3.3 (after checking gcc - version) 3) Run as root / tmp/esp-r_v11.7_linux_precomp.run 4) I update my profile bash.bashrc (add PATH=:/opt/esru/bin:/opt/esru/esp-r/bin; see attached) 5) I launch by shell esp-r or prj but the command is not found, if I go into / opt / esru / esp-r / bin and run ./prj, then the answer is: ./prj: error while loading shared libraries: libgfortran.so.1: can not open shared object file: No such file or directory Someone can help to resolve this problem? Thanks in advance Best regards, Giulio B. 2009/8/25 Jon Hand > You need to install the gfortran compiler to match the GCC compiler > that is already on your computer. Ubuntu package manager is the > tool to use. > > in a command line give the command > gcc --version > > if it says gcc 4.1 then in the package manager do a search for gfortran > and if you are given more than one option select the 4.1 version. > > -Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of giulio benincasa [gialloneroverde at gmail.com] > Sent: 25 August 2009 14:44 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Installation esp-r 11.7 on Ubuntu 9.04 > > Hi all, > > I dont able to work with esp-r 11.7 on Ubuntu 9.04 because I can't find > libgfortran.so.1 : when in the terminal I run prj the answer is there isnt > libgfortran.so.1, but if I try to install libgfortran.so.1 the answer is > that there is a most recent version ...... > > Someone knows how to resolve this problem? > > Thanks in advance > Best regards, > Giulio B. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Looking into the "climatelist" file I found that although the instructions for the installation on a USB memory stick recommend it to be configured as drive L:, in the file the lines which start with "*dbfl" show paths which are c:/esru/esp-r/climate/. Taking note of the admonition: # WARNING: Keep this file up to date with current directory structure ! I changed them to L:\esru\esp-r\climate\ . (Windows uses backslashes) But to no avail. If one examines the following: *item *name Birmingham IWEC WMO 035340 *aide Birmingham (sourced from IWEC/DoE) *dbfl c:/esru/esp-r/climate/uk_birmingham on changing this to: *item *name Birmingham IWEC WMO 035340 *aide Birmingham (sourced from IWEC/DoE) *dbfl L:\esru\esp-r\climate\uk_birmingham_iwec everything seems to work (changing the paths and adding "_iwec" to the Birmingham file name). Since in the cookbook the example uses the Birmingham IWEC file it might be helpful to change the climatelist file in the ESP-r_on_USB_L.zip downloadable file. As I am a beginner on ESR-r, I might be completely wrong of course. The shortness of the cookbook is heartening compared to the 7kg of manuals that used to accompany DOE2.1e, no graphical interface either, just a strictly formatted ASCII file. All the best Christopher Heard Universidad Aut?noma Metropolitana, Unidad Cuajimalpa Depto. Dise?o Mexico City From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Aug 26 16:53:52 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:53:52 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: climatelist file on Windows version ESP-r_on_USB_L In-Reply-To: <9798F67CB609473A8CF39280BDBBF4A4@cheard> References: <9798F67CB609473A8CF39280BDBBF4A4@cheard> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EDF75641@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> The USB memory stick version of ESP-r was produced by a group in China and we do not have control of the contents. A nice bit of detective work on your part to figure out how to adapt the climate list file. Well spotted. And, in case you ever want to switch over to the standard native windows versions of ESP-r for the C:\Esru folder structure it does come with a matching set of climate files and climatelist file. -Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Christopher Heard [cheard at prodigy.net.mx] Sent: 26 August 2009 15:55 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] climatelist file on Windows version ESP-r_on_USB_L I am in the process of following the cookbook and exercises using the Windows version of ESP-r on a USB memory stick. However I ran into a few problems trying to follow the exercise on the climate database files. Looking into the "climatelist" file I found that although the instructions for the installation on a USB memory stick recommend it to be configured as drive L:, in the file the lines which start with "*dbfl" show paths which are c:/esru/esp-r/climate/. Taking note of the admonition: # WARNING: Keep this file up to date with current directory structure ! I changed them to L:\esru\esp-r\climate\ . (Windows uses backslashes) But to no avail. If one examines the following: *item *name Birmingham IWEC WMO 035340 *aide Birmingham (sourced from IWEC/DoE) *dbfl c:/esru/esp-r/climate/uk_birmingham on changing this to: *item *name Birmingham IWEC WMO 035340 *aide Birmingham (sourced from IWEC/DoE) *dbfl L:\esru\esp-r\climate\uk_birmingham_iwec everything seems to work (changing the paths and adding "_iwec" to the Birmingham file name). Since in the cookbook the example uses the Birmingham IWEC file it might be helpful to change the climatelist file in the ESP-r_on_USB_L.zip downloadable file. As I am a beginner on ESR-r, I might be completely wrong of course. The shortness of the cookbook is heartening compared to the 7kg of manuals that used to accompany DOE2.1e, no graphical interface either, just a strictly formatted ASCII file. All the best Christopher Heard Universidad Aut?noma Metropolitana, Unidad Cuajimalpa Depto. Dise?o Mexico City _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From gialloneroverde at gmail.com Thu Aug 27 09:17:56 2009 From: gialloneroverde at gmail.com (giulio benincasa) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:17:56 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] esp-r v11.7 on Ubuntu 9.04 Message-ID: <67666d10908270117p75624512vfa9dd4545eefd834@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, An information "vital" Someone managed to install the esp-rv11.7 on Ubuntu 9.04 and work ? Thank in advance Best regards Giulio B. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In the end we applied various changes, all of which prevented the program from running if not present. In terminal (Ubuntu>Applications>Accessories>Terminal) we used the directory command 'cd' to put us the home folder $ cd /home/"user name"/ (IN MY CASE TYPING IN "user name" MEANT WRITING SIMPLY -> Matthew) We checked out what was in that file (directory) using the list command 'ls' $ ls (and if that failed) $ ls -la ('ls -la' delivers a list of all files and objects, even those hidden by 'ls', with file size, permissions and other data) We then used the nano text editer to open the .profile folder $ nano .profile In the editor we placed # before three lines of text that seemed to be an IF , THEN kind of statement, and included the PATH command as set out in John Hands Ubuntu 8.04 instructions. We tried editing the IF THEN statement to include the PATH command, but this didn't seem to work. (The # symbol renders the code non operative, it is read as an annotation only, so we could reclaim it if required.) We pasted in the as the instructions required - PATH="$HOME/bin:/usr/esru/esp-r/bin:$PATH" Command. We also changed the name of the file from .profile to .bash_profile. Without this the program would not run. This seemed to be necessary. We used a Terminal command to do this. I can't remember which command this was, but there are glossaries of commands for Terminal online, please Google it. We located the esprc folder by using the built in search, then used the copy command (cp) to move it to the home folder, cp (address where file is) (address where it needs to go). We also changed the Terminal response to commands, by going into Terminal>Preferences> Title and Command and then checked the box that said, "Run command as a login shell." We found this hint here - http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/2006/000120.html This seems to also be necessary. It is also true that to unpack from the source code some time must be spent in the Synaptics Mananger installing compilers. The names have changed between 8.04 and 9.04 and the Synaptics Manager will suggest several alternatives based on the names of compilers and libraries mentioned in the nstructions, 'Installing on Ubuntu 8.04'. I used old fashioned trial and error. One thing to mention that helps such a process, is that if, when in a Terminal command line, one pushes the 'up-arrow' on the keyboard, Terminal will scroll through your previous command line entries in order. This facilitates 'trial and error' process well. It is possible that we altered one or two other things in ways not quite as described for 8.04, beyond what I have already mentioned I do not remember. I had installed the vs.11.7 from the source code in the X11 graphical format. I hope this helps and is not too long - Regards Matt From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of giulio benincasa Sent: 27 August 2009 09:18 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] esp-r v11.7 on Ubuntu 9.04 Hi all, An information "vital" Someone managed to install the esp-rv11.7 on Ubuntu 9.04 and work ? Thank in advance Best regards Giulio B. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is over 50 pages with examples of code blocks, interpretation of syntax errors good practice in code writing as well as production scripts that will save hours. It also discusses the rituals that have evolved within the ESP-r community over the years and how to navigate the process of contributing to the evolution of ESP-r). Although it is utterly geeky it might provide just the information you need for simple compiling tasks. It is work-in-progress and it will be under source code control so your suggestions are appreciated and can be quickly implemented! -Jon Hand From gialloneroverde at gmail.com Fri Aug 28 12:29:25 2009 From: gialloneroverde at gmail.com (giulio benincasa) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:29:25 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Problem with svn Message-ID: <67666d10908280429q688c0295h22688e4398a7d79a@mail.gmail.com> Hi all I dont able to download source code run from shell: svn checkout https://esp-r.net/espr/esp-r/trunk answer is svn: richiesta PROPFIND fallita su '/espr/esp-r/trunk' svn: PROPFIND di '/espr/esp-r/trunk': non ho potuto connettermi al server ( https://esp-r.net) Anyone can help me ? Thanks in advance Best regards Giulio B. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Until this is fixed the ESP-r distribution is available from an alternative location: https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/branches/developent_branch (current tested source) https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/trunk (released version) For those of you who have 'branches' adapt the command to substitute your branch name. There have been a few emails sent to developers to tell them how to switch the location pointed to by their local working code to reflect the changes in the repository. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of giulio benincasa [gialloneroverde at gmail.com] Sent: 28 August 2009 12:29 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Problem with svn Hi all I dont able to download source code run from shell: svn checkout https://esp-r.net/espr/esp-r/trunk answer is svn: richiesta PROPFIND fallita su '/espr/esp-r/trunk' svn: PROPFIND di '/espr/esp-r/trunk': non ho potuto connettermi al server (https://esp-r.net) Anyone can help me ? Thanks in advance Best regards Giulio B. 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We think we have dealt with this sensitivity and we have exercised a number of the interface facilities but we need help! If you can spare a few hours and are willing to let us know what facilities you have tested, what you were doing if/when a crash happened as well as comments on what you see that would be invaluable help. Send an email to jon at esru.strath.ac.uk if you are willing to join in the testing. I will then upload a single click installer for you to try out in the next week or so. Regards, Jon Hand Regards, Jon Hand From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Aug 28 17:45:21 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:45:21 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problem Installation In-Reply-To: <67666d10908280851p28d3dcbh2c28b5d4e884c0ad@mail.gmail.com> References: <67666d10908280851p28d3dcbh2c28b5d4e884c0ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EDF7564F@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> This email states that the PATH environment variable was updated but later the esp-r executables are not found.... To confirm - log out and then back in. Then try the following commands: echo $HOME echo $PATH which prj Check if $PATH report includes /usr/esru/esp-r/bin as well as the bin folder in the users home folder. If it does not then the method used to define the PATH environment variable does not re-establish the full PATH after a new log in. Next try creating a link from the users $HOME/bin folder to each of the esp-r executables. E.g. cd cd bin ln -s /usr/esru/esp-r/bin/prj ./prj ln -s /usr/esru/esp-r/bin/clm ./clm ln -s /usr/esru/esp-r/bin/bps ./bps . . . Then try the 'which prj' command again. ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of giulio benincasa [gialloneroverde at gmail.com] Sent: 28 August 2009 16:51 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Problem Installation Hi all, I download esp-r 11.7 from https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/trunk then I installed on Ubuntu 8.04; After installation I update my PATH="$HOME/bin:/usr/esru/esp-r/bin:$PATH". >From shell esp-r dont work, if I go into directory /usr/esru/esp-r/bin and run files.bin then they are open but separately; prj dont have link other file.bin (clm, bps, res ) It's possible that I havent installed an important package (?) Thank for help, in advance Best regards Giulio B From David.Tang at owenscorning.com Wed Sep 2 03:46:19 2009 From: David.Tang at owenscorning.com (Tang, David) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 10:46:19 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] Solar multiple tramsmission In-Reply-To: <000f01ca249a$18c1ad70$4a450850$@geissler@intergga.ch> References: <948F50BA-7A4F-41B2-A3B5-630B8E0EE182@brookes.ac.uk> <000001ca2237$20f8c380$62ea4a80$@geissler@intergga.ch> <064EFE09-12E4-4E6E-8869-AEC54E4D85DE@brookes.ac.uk> <75C7116929E8744596D1F206448AEB1D1FC60558E5@APHS7200.ap.corp.owenscorning.com> <000001ca2480$61926b80$24b74280$@geissler@intergga.ch> <75C7116929E8744596D1F206448AEB1D1FC60559EF@APHS7200.ap.corp.owenscorning.com> <000f01ca249a$18c1ad70$4a450850$@geissler@intergga.ch> Message-ID: <75C7116929E8744596D1F206448AEB1D1FC605630D@APHS7200.ap.corp.owenscorning.com> Community, I post this message again as call for consulting. 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All accepted papers accompanied by a conference registration will be published in the conference proceedings, and presented at the conference in parallel oral sessions. In the event submissions exceed the conference presentation quota, poster sessions will be held to accommodate additional papers. Each registration entitles the author to submit a single paper/poster. One additional paper/poster per registration is allowed against a special fee. The themes of the conference are: * Recent developments for modelling the physical processes relevant to buildings (thermal, air flow, moisture, lighting). * Algorithms for modelling conventional and innovative HVAC systems. * Methods for modelling the whole-building performance, including integrated resource management, renewable energy sources and combined heat, cool and power generation. * Building simulation software development and quality control approaches. * Use of building simulation tools in code compliance and incentive programmes. * Moving simulation into practice. Case studies of innovative simulation approaches. * Validation of building simulation software. * User interface and software interoperability issues. * Architectural and engineering data visualization and animation. * Optimization approaches in building design. The deadline for abstracts is: October 1, 2009. 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090901/595ab2fd/attachment-0001.html From Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn Sun Sep 6 14:42:18 2009 From: Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn (Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 21:42:18 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] Re: ESP-r - Control loop (Wkd, Wknd setpoints) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <076B831E3BD70140B69F1D47DF456F4A0A0B683073@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn> Briana, if you only want to use the ideal/basic control law you can use the temporal definitions file option (model context menu -> impose measured data). There, you can define your setpoints from an external file (e.g. a csv file) and they can vary at any way that you want. Check the CEN 15265 validation tests that come with ESP-r if you want to see an example of how to set this up. If you want to use other types of control laws then somebody should develop something similar as this for the basic controls (probably not a difficult task). Best regards, Georgios ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Briana Paige [briana.paige at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 11:26 PM To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r - Control loop (Wkd, Wknd setpoints) Hello, I'm trying to run a simulation that has different weekday and weekend temperature setpoints for heating and cooling season. As far as I can tell each control loop can only have one set of weekday, Saturday, Sunday setpoints. Since each zone can only have one associated control loop, I am unsure of how to go about this. Other than running the simulation twice for cooling and heating season and changing the associated control loop each time, is there a way to do this? Thanks, Briana Paige Kemery Dept of Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering Carleton University ________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Altman Email Security System. For more information please visit www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems ________________________________ ******************************************************************************************************************************* This email has been scanned by the Altman Email Security System. For more information please visit www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems ******************************************************************************************************************************* From Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn Sun Sep 6 15:06:33 2009 From: Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn (Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 22:06:33 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Infiltration/ventilaton temperature In-Reply-To: <000001ca2ecb$e66555c0$b3300140$@muhic@siol.net> References: <000001ca2ecb$e66555c0$b3300140$@muhic@siol.net> Message-ID: <076B831E3BD70140B69F1D47DF456F4A0A0B683074@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn> Simon, if I understand correctly: 1) You have 2 zones: one for the ground heat exchanger plus another one for your living zone. 2) For the ground heat exchanger zone you know the "internal" zone temperature. 3) You also know the outside air temperature or you have a climate file (to provide the 0.3 ach) 4) You want to control the air flow from the ground heat exchanger and from the outside into the living zone based on the sensed temperature of the living zone. please correct me if I did not understand your problem correctly. For what I just describe you need to: 1) Use the "Impose measured data" to impose the pre-calculated temperature into the ground heat exchanger zone (use SETPTTT item). 2) Use the same facility (but different item) for your outside climate if you do not have a climate file and you instead have measured data. 3) Create an air flow network between your heat exchanger, the living zone and the outside environment. 4) Apply the appropriate air flow network controls Best regards, Georgios ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Muhi? [simon.muhic at siol.net] Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 4:27 PM To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Infiltration/ventilaton temperature Dear all, I would like to simulate use of ground heat exchanger for air for ventilation of my thermal zone. So I have time dependent temperature for 8760 hours, for flow which could enter into simulated zone from ground heat exchanger, which was calculated in other software (txt file). I have also 0,3 ACH of infiltration into the thermal zone with outside ambient temperature. So Idea is to have ON/OFF flow control with temperature sensor in zone. I can?t figure out how to setup the model to run such case. I tried with ?Impose measured data? facility without success. Any hint or idea will be appreciated. Thank you in advance. Simon Muhic ________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Altman Email Security System. For more information please visit www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems ________________________________ ******************************************************************************************************************************* This email has been scanned by the Altman Email Security System. For more information please visit www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems ******************************************************************************************************************************* From lzytongji at yahoo.com.cn Mon Sep 7 01:58:31 2009 From: lzytongji at yahoo.com.cn (=?utf-8?B?5p2O5b+X6Iux?=) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 08:58:31 +0800 (CST) Subject: [esp-r] I need help Message-ID: <345123.43190.qm@web15903.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> Hi all, ? ?????????Can some body give me a hand to look over the model(the attachment).? ???? I have established a model.(the attachment) But when i excute a simulation, it makes me craze about but i can't find the wrong. I have figure it?for a while but still no answer. Could?someone help me to get the answer? ??????? ??????? I have defined latent gain of the occupant, but after i simulate it, the result have a "0" in the item of latent gain. Could?some body?figure it out for me? ? ????????In the casual gain, i inclued a electrical data for the light, but? I don't get?the real mean of "Which phase is load connected to". Could?some one explain it for me? But?the result of electrical demand is "0"? ? ??????? I have defined a casual gain control, and is there any model in result analysis for the value of luminance except the casual gains. ? ?????? And the last question is about the nerwork. The node temperature in the result analysis is odd. I don't konw the reason for it. ? ??????I am expecting?the reply.Thanks very much! ? ? ? Thanks, Teresa ? ? ___________________________________________________________ ????????????????? http://card.mail.cn.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090907/428aae2f/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank you in advance Best Regards Giulio B. * * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090907/a2db92d8/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Sep 7 14:45:36 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 14:45:36 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Database Materials In-Reply-To: <67666d10909070403u2babc240p33eb6800ca18008c@mail.gmail.com> References: <67666d10909070403u2babc240p33eb6800ca18008c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EDF75658@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> We have had a few reports of inability to add new materials on some computers and some operating systems. On some machines the process works correctly. To help identify the cause it would be useful to know the following: a) What operating system b) What version of ESP-r (when prj starts it gives a revision number) c) What category the material was being added to d) Was the material database local to the model (within the model folders) or was it one of the standard databases (in C:\Esru\esp-r\databases or /usr/esru/esp-r/databases) e) what were the raw thermophysical properties that were going to be used f) did you ask to add a material or copy an existing material -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of giulio benincasa [gialloneroverde at gmail.com] Sent: 07 September 2009 12:03 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Database Materials Hi all, I dont be able to use correctly Database material; In my directory databases there is the file materil.db3.a; when I start to run esp-r, databases materiale ERROR NIE IDESC Record 601, so I try to convert in file binary but then the file material.db3 dont possible to access; so I use option g) ascii >> memory import and so I have my material.db3.a but then in my model if I make some modification (insert new component) in the new access the modification isnt remeber; can someone help me ? Thank you in advance Best Regards Giulio B. From gialloneroverde at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 10:17:34 2009 From: gialloneroverde at gmail.com (giulio benincasa) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 11:17:34 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Option: make a project variant Message-ID: <67666d10909080217v70ed1751qc4e6808c5f0ee84c@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I try to make a project variant, option j) in Project Manager; I use f) geometry and attribution in Form and Fabbric then I make modification; When I try to run my new file.cfg (modelname_xyz.cfg) in folder model (cfg) Project Manager go off; In shell write: *At line 3617 of file edcfg.F Fortran runtime error: End of Record* Thanks in advance Best Regards Giulio -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090908/7dc10125/attachment.html From gialloneroverde at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 10:45:17 2009 From: gialloneroverde at gmail.com (giulio benincasa) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 11:45:17 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Option: make a project variant In-Reply-To: <67666d10909080217v70ed1751qc4e6808c5f0ee84c@mail.gmail.com> References: <67666d10909080217v70ed1751qc4e6808c5f0ee84c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <67666d10909080245n166b99d3r8fdb7acb25b2d80@mail.gmail.com> Problem solved, my model name was CLTI_inv, and so my variant become CLTI_inv_xyz... if I use CLTI then my variant become CLTI_xyz and now is working correctly. Regards Giulio 2009/9/8 giulio benincasa > Hi all, > > I try to make a project variant, option j) in Project Manager; > > I use f) geometry and attribution in Form and Fabbric > > then I make modification; > > When I try to run my new file.cfg (modelname_xyz.cfg) in folder model (cfg) > Project Manager go off; > > In shell write: > *At line 3617 of file edcfg.F > Fortran runtime error: End of Record* > > > Thanks in advance > Best Regards > Giulio > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090908/6a1a007e/attachment.html From felipe at b-green.cl Tue Sep 8 17:41:48 2009 From: felipe at b-green.cl (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Felipe_Dur=E1n?=) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 12:41:48 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Heating and Cooling Loads Message-ID: Dear All, I am modeling in both ESP-r and IES-VE and office building and the results for heating and cooling loads are very different. ESP-r = 269 kW (heating); 237 kW (cooling) IES-VE = 835 kW (Heating); 360 kW (cooling) Does anyone had a similar experience with such differences? Kind Regards, Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090908/a29e4155/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If the two softwares compare well keep building up the model in complexity. -Aizaz On Tuesday 08 September 2009 17:41, Felipe Dur?n wrote: > Dear All, > > I am modeling in both ESP-r and IES-VE and office building and the results > for heating and cooling loads are very different. > > ESP-r = 269 kW (heating); 237 kW (cooling) > IES-VE = 835 kW (Heating); 360 kW (cooling) > > Does anyone had a similar experience with such differences? > > Kind Regards, > > > Felipe Dur?n Palma > Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge > Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as > > [cid:B9AD3F91-76F4-4F37-8A2C-7A559281C059] > > Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago > felipe at b-green.cl - > www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 From l.f.r.peeters at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 18:19:40 2009 From: l.f.r.peeters at gmail.com (leen peeters) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 19:19:40 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3cbed0ed0909081019t78c5b058p35f69b678a696419@mail.gmail.com> Felipe, these numbers show a very large differences. Diffrerences of lets say 30% could be explained by the different convection coefficients applied, supposing you implemented the same heat/cold emission system. There must be some more differences in your input file. Maybe start by performing a simple test calculating the thermal loads of a cubic sealed (no ventilation) box without windows and without internal gains. Then see whether such large differences occur for that case also. Keep us in touch, so we could try finding out with you .;.. Succes Leen Peeters 2009/9/8 Felipe Dur?n > Dear All, > I am modeling in both ESP-r and IES-VE and office building and the results > for heating and cooling loads are very different. > > ESP-r = 269 kW (heating); 237 kW (cooling) > IES-VE = 835 kW (Heating); 360 kW (cooling) > > Does anyone had a similar experience with such differences? > > Kind Regards, > > > Felipe Dur?n Palma > Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge > Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as > > > Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago > felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 El 8 Sep 2009, a las 13:19, Aizaz Samuel escribi?: > Try reducing your model complexity by modelling just one zone with > minimal > information possible. Simulate for just one day. If the two > softwares compare > well keep building up the model in complexity. > > -Aizaz > > > On Tuesday 08 September 2009 17:41, Felipe Dur?n wrote: >> Dear All, >> >> I am modeling in both ESP-r and IES-VE and office building and the >> results >> for heating and cooling loads are very different. >> >> ESP-r = 269 kW (heating); 237 kW (cooling) >> IES-VE = 835 kW (Heating); 360 kW (cooling) >> >> Does anyone had a similar experience with such differences? >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> >> Felipe Dur?n Palma >> Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge >> Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as >> >> [cid:B9AD3F91-76F4-4F37-8A2C-7A559281C059] >> >> Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago >> felipe at b-green.cl - >> www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090908/3eafb19a/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That is one more set of variables excluded Leen 2009/9/8 Felipe Dur?n > Dear Samuel and Leen, > Actually, when I found out such big differences I ve modelled a very simple > 3-zone model and the differences persist. > > I will try out with a simple box without ventilation and internal gains and > I will let you know the results. > Thank you all for your help. > > Felipe Dur?n Palma > Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge > Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as > > > Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago > felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 > > > > > > El 8 Sep 2009, a las 13:19, Aizaz Samuel escribi?: > > Try reducing your model complexity by modelling just one zone with > minimal > information possible. Simulate for just one day. If the two softwares > compare > well keep building up the model in complexity. > > -Aizaz > > > On Tuesday 08 September 2009 17:41, Felipe Dur?n wrote: > > Dear All, > > > I am modeling in both ESP-r and IES-VE and office building and the results > > for heating and cooling loads are very different. > > > ESP-r = 269 kW (heating); 237 kW (cooling) > > IES-VE = 835 kW (Heating); 360 kW (cooling) > > > Does anyone had a similar experience with such differences? > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Felipe Dur?n Palma > > Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. 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Name: not available Type: image/tiff Size: 13478 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090908/68da8b1b/attachment.tif From felipe at b-green.cl Tue Sep 8 22:10:21 2009 From: felipe at b-green.cl (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Felipe_Dur=E1n?=) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 17:10:21 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads In-Reply-To: <3cbed0ed0909081349h300b245brd70aa77fcef93b44@mail.gmail.com> References: <200909081819.03839.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> <3cbed0ed0909081349h300b245brd70aa77fcef93b44@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <51957046-3CF5-4D01-8316-9C5E4AE8906C@b-green.cl> Leen, I am working with the EPW climate file of Santiago de Chile in both soft wares. I ve modelled a zone of 10 x 10 x 3 mt. high with no ventilation and no internal gains. The results are: ESP-r = 11.9 (heating), 1.86 (cooling) IES = 14.6 (heating), 5.2 (cooling) Now we got great differences in the cooling load. IES gave me 3 times more cooling loads than ESP-r Any ideas how to go proceed? Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 El 8 Sep 2009, a las 16:49, leen peeters escribi?: > Felipe, > > set you climate to some artifical constant climqte with constant > temperature, constant solar radiation,... That is one more set of > variables excluded > > Leen > > 2009/9/8 Felipe Dur?n > Dear Samuel and Leen, > > Actually, when I found out such big differences I ve modelled a very > simple 3-zone model and the differences persist. > > I will try out with a simple box without ventilation and internal > gains and I will let you know the results. > > Thank you all for your help. > > Felipe Dur?n Palma > Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge > Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as > > > > Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago > felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 > > > > > > El 8 Sep 2009, a las 13:19, Aizaz Samuel escribi?: > >> Try reducing your model complexity by modelling just one zone with >> minimal >> information possible. Simulate for just one day. If the two >> softwares compare >> well keep building up the model in complexity. >> >> -Aizaz >> >> >> On Tuesday 08 September 2009 17:41, Felipe Dur?n wrote: >>> Dear All, >>> >>> I am modeling in both ESP-r and IES-VE and office building and the >>> results >>> for heating and cooling loads are very different. >>> >>> ESP-r = 269 kW (heating); 237 kW (cooling) >>> IES-VE = 835 kW (Heating); 360 kW (cooling) >>> >>> Does anyone had a similar experience with such differences? >>> >>> Kind Regards, >>> >>> >>> Felipe Dur?n Palma >>> Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge >>> Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as >>> >>> [cid:B9AD3F91-76F4-4F37-8A2C-7A559281C059] >>> >>> Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago >>> felipe at b-green.cl - >>> www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> esp-r mailing list >> esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090908/96e8a37b/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: pastedGraphic.tiff Type: image/tiff Size: 13478 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090908/96e8a37b/attachment-0001.tiff From David.Tang at owenscorning.com Wed Sep 9 05:22:57 2009 From: David.Tang at owenscorning.com (Tang, David) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 12:22:57 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads In-Reply-To: <51957046-3CF5-4D01-8316-9C5E4AE8906C@b-green.cl> References: <200909081819.03839.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> <3cbed0ed0909081349h300b245brd70aa77fcef93b44@mail.gmail.com> <51957046-3CF5-4D01-8316-9C5E4AE8906C@b-green.cl> Message-ID: <75C7116929E8744596D1F206448AEB1D1FC617C5FE@APHS7200.ap.corp.owenscorning.com> Describe your model we'll run DOE2 and EnergyPlus to see who's right. geometry, orientation wall, window, roof materials, boundary conditions (is the wall contact outside, ground, other indoor space?) run period (from mm/dd to mm/dd), etc. as detail as possible. Regards, David Tang Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions Owens Corning T: +86 21 6101 9587; F: +86 21 6101 9588; m: +86 13817249419 From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Felipe Dur?n Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:10 AM To: leen peeters Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads Leen, I am working with the EPW climate file of Santiago de Chile in both soft wares. I ve modelled a zone of 10 x 10 x 3 mt. high with no ventilation and no internal gains. The results are: ESP-r = 11.9 (heating), 1.86 (cooling) IES = 14.6 (heating), 5.2 (cooling) Now we got great differences in the cooling load. IES gave me 3 times more cooling loads than ESP-r Any ideas how to go proceed? Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 El 8 Sep 2009, a las 16:49, leen peeters escribi?: Felipe, set you climate to some artifical constant climqte with constant temperature, constant solar radiation,... That is one more set of variables excluded Leen 2009/9/8 Felipe Dur?n > Dear Samuel and Leen, Actually, when I found out such big differences I ve modelled a very simple 3-zone model and the differences persist. I will try out with a simple box without ventilation and internal gains and I will let you know the results. Thank you all for your help. Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 El 8 Sep 2009, a las 13:19, Aizaz Samuel escribi?: Try reducing your model complexity by modelling just one zone with minimal information possible. Simulate for just one day. If the two softwares compare well keep building up the model in complexity. -Aizaz On Tuesday 08 September 2009 17:41, Felipe Dur?n wrote: Dear All, I am modeling in both ESP-r and IES-VE and office building and the results for heating and cooling loads are very different. ESP-r = 269 kW (heating); 237 kW (cooling) IES-VE = 835 kW (Heating); 360 kW (cooling) Does anyone had a similar experience with such differences? Kind Regards, Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as [cid:B9AD3F91-76F4-4F37-8A2C-7A559281C059] Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl> - 56 (2) 3431868 The information contained in this communication and its attachment(s) is intended only for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or exempt from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify postmaster at owenscorning.com and delete the communication without retaining any copies. Thank you. Translations available: http://www.owenscorning.com/emailfooter.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090909/caaa3d85/attachment.html From Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn Wed Sep 9 05:55:47 2009 From: Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn (Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 12:55:47 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads In-Reply-To: <75C7116929E8744596D1F206448AEB1D1FC617C5FE@APHS7200.ap.corp.owenscorning.com> References: <200909081819.03839.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> <3cbed0ed0909081349h300b245brd70aa77fcef93b44@mail.gmail.com> <51957046-3CF5-4D01-8316-9C5E4AE8906C@b-green.cl>, <75C7116929E8744596D1F206448AEB1D1FC617C5FE@APHS7200.ap.corp.owenscorning.com> Message-ID: <076B831E3BD70140B69F1D47DF456F4A0A39D2FF91@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn> This is a very general topic. Assuming that you do not make any input mistakes, the comparison will depend on the input data, model complexity and algorithms used. I did a bit of work during my PhD on model equivalencing and I used ESP-r and EnergyPlus (plus some simplified methods). For a specific set up and when you do not make any mistakes the two programs give results that are quite close to each other. However, the models were generally restricted to rules. Of course, this can not be generalised. For more info have a look at chapter 5 of my thesis: http://strathprints.strath.ac.uk/7816/ Regards, Georgios ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tang, David [David.Tang at owenscorning.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:22 PM To: Felipe Dur?n; leen peeters; Tang, Kevin; Xing, Nina Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads Describe your model we'll run DOE2 and EnergyPlus to see who's right. geometry, orientation wall, window, roof materials, boundary conditions (is the wall contact outside, ground, other indoor space?) run period (from mm/dd to mm/dd), etc. as detail as possible. Regards, David Tang Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions Owens Corning T: +86 21 6101 9587; F: +86 21 6101 9588; m: +86 13817249419 From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Felipe Dur?n Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:10 AM To: leen peeters Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads Leen, I am working with the EPW climate file of Santiago de Chile in both soft wares. I ve modelled a zone of 10 x 10 x 3 mt. high with no ventilation and no internal gains. The results are: ESP-r = 11.9 (heating), 1.86 (cooling) IES = 14.6 (heating), 5.2 (cooling) Now we got great differences in the cooling load. IES gave me 3 times more cooling loads than ESP-r Any ideas how to go proceed? Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 El 8 Sep 2009, a las 16:49, leen peeters escribi?: Felipe, set you climate to some artifical constant climqte with constant temperature, constant solar radiation,... That is one more set of variables excluded Leen 2009/9/8 Felipe Dur?n > Dear Samuel and Leen, Actually, when I found out such big differences I ve modelled a very simple 3-zone model and the differences persist. I will try out with a simple box without ventilation and internal gains and I will let you know the results. Thank you all for your help. Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 El 8 Sep 2009, a las 13:19, Aizaz Samuel escribi?: Try reducing your model complexity by modelling just one zone with minimal information possible. Simulate for just one day. If the two softwares compare well keep building up the model in complexity. -Aizaz On Tuesday 08 September 2009 17:41, Felipe Dur?n wrote: Dear All, I am modeling in both ESP-r and IES-VE and office building and the results for heating and cooling loads are very different. ESP-r = 269 kW (heating); 237 kW (cooling) IES-VE = 835 kW (Heating); 360 kW (cooling) Does anyone had a similar experience with such differences? Kind Regards, Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. 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Saludos cordiales, Rodrigo P?rez. _____ De: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] En nombre de Tang, David Enviado el: mi?rcoles, 09 de septiembre de 2009 0:23 Para: Felipe Dur?n; leen peeters; Tang, Kevin; Xing, Nina CC: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Asunto: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads Describe your model we'll run DOE2 and EnergyPlus to see who's right. geometry, orientation wall, window, roof materials, boundary conditions (is the wall contact outside, ground, other indoor space?) run period (from mm/dd to mm/dd), etc. as detail as possible. Regards, David Tang Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions Owens Corning T: +86 21 6101 9587; F: +86 21 6101 9588; m: +86 13817249419 From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Felipe Dur?n Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:10 AM To: leen peeters Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads Leen, I am working with the EPW climate file of Santiago de Chile in both soft wares. I ve modelled a zone of 10 x 10 x 3 mt. high with no ventilation and no internal gains. The results are: ESP-r = 11.9 (heating), 1.86 (cooling) IES = 14.6 (heating), 5.2 (cooling) Now we got great differences in the cooling load. IES gave me 3 times more cooling loads than ESP-r Any ideas how to go proceed? Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 El 8 Sep 2009, a las 16:49, leen peeters escribi?: Felipe, set you climate to some artifical constant climqte with constant temperature, constant solar radiation,... That is one more set of variables excluded Leen 2009/9/8 Felipe Dur?n Dear Samuel and Leen, Actually, when I found out such big differences I ve modelled a very simple 3-zone model and the differences persist. I will try out with a simple box without ventilation and internal gains and I will let you know the results. Thank you all for your help. Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 El 8 Sep 2009, a las 13:19, Aizaz Samuel escribi?: Try reducing your model complexity by modelling just one zone with minimal information possible. Simulate for just one day. If the two softwares compare well keep building up the model in complexity. -Aizaz On Tuesday 08 September 2009 17:41, Felipe Dur?n wrote: Dear All, I am modeling in both ESP-r and IES-VE and office building and the results for heating and cooling loads are very different. ESP-r = 269 kW (heating); 237 kW (cooling) IES-VE = 835 kW (Heating); 360 kW (cooling) Does anyone had a similar experience with such differences? Kind Regards, Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as [cid:B9AD3F91-76F4-4F37-8A2C-7A559281C059 ] Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl > - 56 (2) 3431868 The information contained in this communication and its attachment(s) is intended only for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or exempt from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify postmaster at owenscorning.com and delete the communication without retaining any copies. Thank you. Translations available: http://www.owenscorning.com/emailfooter.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090909/8a2a395b/attachment-0001.html From felipe at b-green.cl Wed Sep 9 18:00:46 2009 From: felipe at b-green.cl (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Felipe_Dur=E1n?=) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:00:46 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads In-Reply-To: <75C7116929E8744596D1F206448AEB1D1FC617C5FE@APHS7200.ap.corp.owenscorning.com> References: <200909081819.03839.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> <3cbed0ed0909081349h300b245brd70aa77fcef93b44@mail.gmail.com> <51957046-3CF5-4D01-8316-9C5E4AE8906C@b-green.cl> <75C7116929E8744596D1F206448AEB1D1FC617C5FE@APHS7200.ap.corp.owenscorning.com> Message-ID: David and Rodrigo, Thank you for your help. I`ve simplify the model and the results of the 3-floor office building are: IES_VE 390 kW (heating) 123 kW (cooling) ESP-r 246 kW (heating) 205 kW (cooling) The model conditions of the 3-floor office building are: IES_VE 390 kW (heating) 123 kW (cooling) 1. Geometry: 3 zones of 25 m x 60 m x 2.5 m high. 40% of glazing ratio for all the orientations 2. Orientation: North towards the long side (25 meters) 3. Materials (outside to inside) 3.1 External Wall: cast concrete 0,2m, Polystyrene 0.02m, Gypsum Plasterboard 0,01m. U-value = 0.9597 (W/m2K) 3.2 Window: Double glazing, clear float 6mm + 12mm cavity. U- Value=2.82 (W/m2K) 3.3 Roof: Cast concrete (lightweight) 0.05m, Polystyrene 0.15m, cast concrete 0,15m. U-value = 0.1859 (W/m2K) 3.4 Ground Floor: Cast Concrete 0.15 m, polystyrene 0.05 m, U-value = 0.5041 (W/m2K) 3.5 Slabs: cast Concrete 0.15, U-value = 3,2558 (W/m2K) 4. Boundary Conditions: All the walls and the roof faces the outside. The slabs are interiors and only the ground floor faces the grund. 5. Run Period: 1/1 31/12 (whole year) 6. Internal gains: Occupancy 6 m2/person (70 W Sensible, 35 W latent), Lighting 8 W/m2, Equipment 5 W7m2. All the time for the whole year, including nights, weekends, etc. 7. Climate file CHL_Santiago_IWEC.epw (from the energyplus database) 8. Comfort band 20 C?-24C? 9. Ventilation: infiltration 0.25 (ach/h), auxiliari ventilatios 3.25 (ach/h) on ESP-r infiltration of 3.25 (ach/h) Thank you again Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 El 9 Sep 2009, a las 00:22, Tang, David escribi?: > Describe your model we'll run DOE2 and EnergyPlus to see who's right. > > geometry, > orientation > wall, window, roof materials, > boundary conditions (is the wall contact outside, ground, other > indoor space?) > run period (from mm/dd to mm/dd), > etc. > as detail as possible. > > Regards, > > David Tang > Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions > Owens Corning > T: +86 21 6101 9587; F: +86 21 6101 9588; m: +86 13817249419 > > > > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > ] On Behalf Of Felipe Dur?n > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:10 AM > To: leen peeters > Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads > > Leen, > > I am working with the EPW climate file of Santiago de Chile in both > soft wares. I ve modelled a zone of 10 x 10 x 3 mt. high with no > ventilation and no internal gains. The results are: > > ESP-r = 11.9 (heating), 1.86 (cooling) > IES = 14.6 (heating), 5.2 (cooling) > > Now we got great differences in the cooling load. IES gave me 3 > times more cooling loads than ESP-r > > Any ideas how to go proceed? > > Felipe Dur?n Palma > Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge > Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as > > Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago > felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 > > > El 8 Sep 2009, a las 16:49, leen peeters escribi?: > >> Felipe, >> >> set you climate to some artifical constant climqte with constant >> temperature, constant solar radiation,... That is one more set of >> variables excluded >> >> Leen >> >> 2009/9/8 Felipe Dur?n >> Dear Samuel and Leen, >> >> Actually, when I found out such big differences I ve modelled a >> very simple 3-zone model and the differences persist. >> >> I will try out with a simple box without ventilation and internal >> gains and I will let you know the results. >> >> Thank you all for your help. >> >> Felipe Dur?n Palma >> Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge >> Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as >> >> >> >> Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago >> felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 >> >> >> El 8 Sep 2009, a las 13:19, Aizaz Samuel escribi?: >> >>> Try reducing your model complexity by modelling just one zone with >>> minimal >>> information possible. Simulate for just one day. If the two >>> softwares compare >>> well keep building up the model in complexity. >>> >>> -Aizaz >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday 08 September 2009 17:41, Felipe Dur?n wrote: >>>> Dear All, >>>> I am modeling in both ESP-r and IES-VE and office building and >>>> the results >>>> for heating and cooling loads are very different. >>>> >>>> ESP-r = 269 kW (heating); 237 kW (cooling) >>>> IES-VE = 835 kW (Heating); 360 kW (cooling) >>>> >>>> Does anyone had a similar experience with such differences? >>>> >>>> Kind Regards, >>>> >>>> Felipe Dur?n Palma >>>> Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge >>>> Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as >>>> [cid:B9AD3F91-76F4-4F37-8A2C-7A559281C059] >>>> Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago >>>> felipe at b-green.cl - >>>> www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 > > The information contained in this communication and its > attachment(s) is intended only for the use of the individual to whom > it is addressed and > may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or exempt > from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient, > you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or > copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this > communication in error, please notify postmaster at owenscorning.com > and delete the communication without retaining any copies. Thank you. > > Translations available: http://www.owenscorning.com/emailfooter.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Having worked at IES-VE for 8+ years and coded part of Apache-sim and the whole of macroflo, it is interesting to see how it works from user's point of view. Regards, David Tang Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions Owens Corning T: +86 21 6101 9587; F: +86 21 6101 9588; m: +86 13817249419 From: Felipe Dur?n [mailto:felipe at b-green.cl] Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:01 AM To: Tang, David Cc: leen peeters; Tang, Kevin; Xing, Nina; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; Rodrigo Perez Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads David and Rodrigo, Thank you for your help. I`ve simplify the model and the results of the 3-floor office building are: IES_VE 390 kW (heating) 123 kW (cooling) ESP-r 246 kW (heating) 205 kW (cooling) The model conditions of the 3-floor office building are: IES_VE 390 kW (heating) 123 kW (cooling) 1. Geometry: 3 zones of 25 m x 60 m x 2.5 m high. 40% of glazing ratio for all the orientations 2. Orientation: North towards the long side (25 meters) 3. Materials (outside to inside) 3.1 External Wall: cast concrete 0,2m, Polystyrene 0.02m, Gypsum Plasterboard 0,01m. U-value = 0.9597 (W/m2K) 3.2 Window: Double glazing, clear float 6mm + 12mm cavity. U-Value=2.82 (W/m2K) 3.3 Roof: Cast concrete (lightweight) 0.05m, Polystyrene 0.15m, cast concrete 0,15m. U-value = 0.1859 (W/m2K) 3.4 Ground Floor: Cast Concrete 0.15 m, polystyrene 0.05 m, U-value = 0.5041 (W/m2K) 3.5 Slabs: cast Concrete 0.15, U-value = 3,2558 (W/m2K) 4. Boundary Conditions: All the walls and the roof faces the outside. The slabs are interiors and only the ground floor faces the grund. 5. Run Period: 1/1 31/12 (whole year) 6. Internal gains: Occupancy 6 m2/person (70 W Sensible, 35 W latent), Lighting 8 W/m2, Equipment 5 W7m2. All the time for the whole year, including nights, weekends, etc. 7. Climate file CHL_Santiago_IWEC.epw (from the energyplus database) 8. Comfort band 20 C?-24C? 9. Ventilation: infiltration 0.25 (ach/h), auxiliari ventilatios 3.25 (ach/h) on ESP-r infiltration of 3.25 (ach/h) Thank you again Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 El 9 Sep 2009, a las 00:22, Tang, David escribi?: Describe your model we'll run DOE2 and EnergyPlus to see who's right. geometry, orientation wall, window, roof materials, boundary conditions (is the wall contact outside, ground, other indoor space?) run period (from mm/dd to mm/dd), etc. as detail as possible. Regards, David Tang Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions Owens Corning T: +86 21 6101 9587; F: +86 21 6101 9588; m: +86 13817249419 From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Felipe Dur?n Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:10 AM To: leen peeters Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads Leen, I am working with the EPW climate file of Santiago de Chile in both soft wares. I ve modelled a zone of 10 x 10 x 3 mt. high with no ventilation and no internal gains. The results are: ESP-r = 11.9 (heating), 1.86 (cooling) IES = 14.6 (heating), 5.2 (cooling) Now we got great differences in the cooling load. IES gave me 3 times more cooling loads than ESP-r Any ideas how to go proceed? Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 El 8 Sep 2009, a las 16:49, leen peeters escribi?: Felipe, set you climate to some artifical constant climqte with constant temperature, constant solar radiation,... That is one more set of variables excluded Leen 2009/9/8 Felipe Dur?n > Dear Samuel and Leen, Actually, when I found out such big differences I ve modelled a very simple 3-zone model and the differences persist. I will try out with a simple box without ventilation and internal gains and I will let you know the results. Thank you all for your help. Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 El 8 Sep 2009, a las 13:19, Aizaz Samuel escribi?: Try reducing your model complexity by modelling just one zone with minimal information possible. Simulate for just one day. If the two softwares compare well keep building up the model in complexity. -Aizaz On Tuesday 08 September 2009 17:41, Felipe Dur?n wrote: Dear All, I am modeling in both ESP-r and IES-VE and office building and the results for heating and cooling loads are very different. ESP-r = 269 kW (heating); 237 kW (cooling) IES-VE = 835 kW (Heating); 360 kW (cooling) Does anyone had a similar experience with such differences? Kind Regards, Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as [cid:B9AD3F91-76F4-4F37-8A2C-7A559281C059] Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl> - 56 (2) 3431868 The information contained in this communication and its attachment(s) is intended only for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or exempt from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify postmaster at owenscorning.com and delete the communication without retaining any copies. Thank you. Translations available: http://www.owenscorning.com/emailfooter.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090910/f7af7d6e/attachment-0001.html From w_obrie at encs.concordia.ca Thu Sep 10 02:55:30 2009 From: w_obrie at encs.concordia.ca (Liam O'Brien) Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:55:30 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Mysterious zone temperatures Message-ID: <4AA85C92.4080508@encs.concordia.ca> Hi All, I came across a strange phenomenon that I can't explain and I'm hoping someone out there can. I have a very basic model with two adjacent cubic 1000 m^3 zones; one with a large glazing area, the other opaque. They are otherwise thermally identical. I am studying the effect of different airflow rates between them. I specified airflow in the opr files by having air flow from zone #1 to zone #2 and the same quantity going the reverse direction, simulataneouly, for mass balance. What I would expect is: as the airflow rates approach some high level, the zone air temperatures equalize at some temperature that is near the average of the two when there is no airflow. What I got: the temperatures do begin to equalize, but at some level that is about 2-3C below expected. This reprsents a lot of "missing" energy. I re-ran the model for airflow rates between 0 and 360 m^3/s. The unexpected results appear to occur around 30 m^3/s and above. The same experiment using an airflow network yielded a similar conclusion. I would be extremely grateful if someone could enlighten me. Thanks very much. Liam O'Brien PhD candidate Concordia University From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Sep 10 09:25:54 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:25:54 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Mysterious zone temperatures In-Reply-To: <4AA85C92.4080508@encs.concordia.ca> References: <4AA85C92.4080508@encs.concordia.ca> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EDF75666@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Use of operation file air flow to create mixing.... The question below uses ventilation between zones (specified in the zone operations file) to force mixing. Note that this will use the last known temperature of the source zone in its calculations. If you are using one timestep and hour this might cause artifacts - one suggestion is to run the simulation at a shorter timestep. Another approach is to represent the flow via components in a mass flow network. Some users would prefer this because it gives a bit more control and offers additional reporting. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Liam O'Brien [w_obrie at encs.concordia.ca] Sent: 10 September 2009 02:55 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Mysterious zone temperatures Hi All, I came across a strange phenomenon that I can't explain and I'm hoping someone out there can. I have a very basic model with two adjacent cubic 1000 m^3 zones; one with a large glazing area, the other opaque. They are otherwise thermally identical. I am studying the effect of different airflow rates between them. I specified airflow in the opr files by having air flow from zone #1 to zone #2 and the same quantity going the reverse direction, simulataneouly, for mass balance. What I would expect is: as the airflow rates approach some high level, the zone air temperatures equalize at some temperature that is near the average of the two when there is no airflow. What I got: the temperatures do begin to equalize, but at some level that is about 2-3C below expected. This reprsents a lot of "missing" energy. I re-ran the model for airflow rates between 0 and 360 m^3/s. The unexpected results appear to occur around 30 m^3/s and above. The same experiment using an airflow network yielded a similar conclusion. I would be extremely grateful if someone could enlighten me. Thanks very much. Liam O'Brien PhD candidate Concordia University _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From matthew.wright at c4ci.eu Thu Sep 10 09:21:37 2009 From: matthew.wright at c4ci.eu (Matthew Wright) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:21:37 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] FW: Mysterious zone temperatures Message-ID: <000701ca31ef$b87635e0$2962a1a0$@wright@c4ci.eu> All, Is the model constructed in such a way that increased air movement is reflected in increased air changes through fabric air permeability? Does that sort of behaviour have to 'programmed' in, or is it part of the base algorithms? Increased air movement would then increase heat losses, so explaining the missing energy. Just a thought... Regards ? Matt -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Liam O'Brien Sent: 10 September 2009 02:56 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Mysterious zone temperatures Hi All, I came across a strange phenomenon that I can't explain and I'm hoping someone out there can. I have a very basic model with two adjacent cubic 1000 m^3 zones; one with a large glazing area, the other opaque. They are otherwise thermally identical. I am studying the effect of different airflow rates between them. I specified airflow in the opr files by having air flow from zone #1 to zone #2 and the same quantity going the reverse direction, simulataneouly, for mass balance. What I would expect is: as the airflow rates approach some high level, the zone air temperatures equalize at some temperature that is near the average of the two when there is no airflow. What I got: the temperatures do begin to equalize, but at some level that is about 2-3C below expected. This reprsents a lot of "missing" energy. I re-ran the model for airflow rates between 0 and 360 m^3/s. The unexpected results appear to occur around 30 m^3/s and above. The same experiment using an airflow network yielded a similar conclusion. I would be extremely grateful if someone could enlighten me. Thanks very much. Liam O'Brien PhD candidate Concordia University _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From gialloneroverde at gmail.com Thu Sep 10 10:43:51 2009 From: gialloneroverde at gmail.com (giulio benincasa) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:43:51 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] GSLedit Message-ID: <67666d10909100243l43c27679y1c77f286f7d8139a@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I try to use Glazing Shading Layer Editor (GSLedit) but when I select a glazing from databases the programm go to crash (error run time 13) Can someone know why ? Thanks in advance Regards Giulio -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090910/3a90dcaa/attachment.html From w_obrie at encs.concordia.ca Thu Sep 10 13:12:07 2009 From: w_obrie at encs.concordia.ca (Liam O'Brien) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:12:07 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Mysterious zone temperatures In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EDF75666@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <4AA85C92.4080508@encs.concordia.ca> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EDF75666@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20090910121207.0xj0yealezkg0ocg@mail.encs.concordia.ca> Hi Jon, You hit the nail on the head. However, I had tried to use an airflow network for the same purpose and increasing the timesteps/hour also effected results - a lot. I need about 10/hour for the solutions to converge. Thanks for the tips. Liam Quoting Jon Hand : > > Use of operation file air flow to create mixing.... > > The question below uses ventilation between zones (specified > in the zone operations file) to force mixing. Note that this > will use the last known temperature of the source zone > in its calculations. If you are using one timestep and hour > this might cause artifacts - one suggestion is to run the > simulation at a shorter timestep. > > Another approach is to represent the flow via components > in a mass flow network. Some users would prefer this > because it gives a bit more control and offers additional > reporting. > > -Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Liam O'Brien > [w_obrie at encs.concordia.ca] > Sent: 10 September 2009 02:55 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Mysterious zone temperatures > > Hi All, > > I came across a strange phenomenon that I can't explain and I'm hoping > someone out there can. I have a very basic model with two adjacent > cubic 1000 m^3 zones; one with a large glazing area, the other opaque. > They are otherwise thermally identical. I am studying the effect of > different airflow rates between them. > > I specified airflow in the opr files by having air flow from zone #1 to > zone #2 and the same quantity going the reverse direction, > simulataneouly, for mass balance. > > What I would expect is: as the airflow rates approach some high level, > the zone air temperatures equalize at some temperature that is near the > average of the two when there is no airflow. > > What I got: the temperatures do begin to equalize, but at some level > that is about 2-3C below expected. This reprsents a lot of "missing" > energy. > > I re-ran the model for airflow rates between 0 and 360 m^3/s. The > unexpected results appear to occur around 30 m^3/s and above. > > The same experiment using an airflow network yielded a similar conclusion. > > I would be extremely grateful if someone could enlighten me. Thanks > very much. > > Liam O'Brien > PhD candidate > Concordia University > > > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > From felipe at b-green.cl Thu Sep 10 18:31:13 2009 From: felipe at b-green.cl (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Felipe_Dur=E1n?=) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:31:13 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads In-Reply-To: <75C7116929E8744596D1F206448AEB1D1FC617C6F2@APHS7200.ap.corp.owenscorning.com> References: <200909081819.03839.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> <3cbed0ed0909081349h300b245brd70aa77fcef93b44@mail.gmail.com> <51957046-3CF5-4D01-8316-9C5E4AE8906C@b-green.cl> <75C7116929E8744596D1F206448AEB1D1FC617C5FE@APHS7200.ap.corp.owenscorning.com> <75C7116929E8744596D1F206448AEB1D1FC617C6F2@APHS7200.ap.corp.owenscorning.com> Message-ID: <3AF71FBD-AC51-49E2-89D1-E694B53DF4D9@b-green.cl> David, Thank you for your help. The results of the 1 zone 10x10x3 concrete box are: IES_VE 14,66 kW (heating) 5,27 kW (cooling) ESP-r 11,90 kW (heating) 1,86 kW (cooling) 1. Geometry: 1 zones of 10 m x 10 m x 3 m high. 2. Materials (outside to inside) 2.1 External Wall: Cast Concrete 0,2m, U-value = 3,1963 (W/m2K) 2.2 Roof: Cast Concrete 0,2 U-value = 3,5354 (W/m2K) 2.3 Ground Floor: Cast Concrete 0.2 m, U-value = 2.8340 (W/m2K) 3. Boundary Conditions: All the walls and the roof faces the outside. The ground floor faces the ground. 4. Run Period: 1/1 31/12 (whole year) 5.No Internal gains 6. Climate file CHL_Santiago_IWEC.epw (from the energyplus database) 7. Comfort band 20 C?-24C?, on Heating and Cooling Profile: continiously 8. No Ventilation Thank you again Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 El 9 Sep 2009, a las 22:56, Tang, David escribi?: > Felipe, > I'd like to start with your 'a zone of 10 x 10 x 3 mt. high with no > ventilation and no internal gains' model which is an excellent case > to evaluate the fundamental algorithms. > > Please provide info of that model likewise. > > Having worked at IES-VE for 8+ years and coded part of Apache-sim > and the whole of macroflo, it is interesting to see how it works > from user's point of view. > > > Regards, > David Tang > Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions > Owens Corning > T: +86 21 6101 9587; F: +86 21 6101 9588; m: +86 13817249419 > > > > From: Felipe Dur?n [mailto:felipe at b-green.cl] > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:01 AM > To: Tang, David > Cc: leen peeters; Tang, Kevin; Xing, Nina; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; > Rodrigo Perez > Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads > > David and Rodrigo, > > Thank you for your help. > I`ve simplify the model and the results of the 3-floor office > building are: > > IES_VE 390 kW (heating) 123 kW (cooling) > ESP-r 246 kW (heating) 205 kW (cooling) > > > The model conditions of the 3-floor office building are: > IES_VE 390 kW (heating) 123 kW (cooling) > > 1. Geometry: 3 zones of 25 m x 60 m x 2.5 m high. 40% of glazing > ratio for all the orientations > > 2. Orientation: North towards the long side (25 meters) > > 3. Materials (outside to inside) > 3.1 External Wall: cast concrete 0,2m, Polystyrene 0.02m, Gypsum > Plasterboard 0,01m. U-value = 0.9597 (W/m2K) > 3.2 Window: Double glazing, clear float 6mm + 12mm cavity. U- > Value=2.82 (W/m2K) > 3.3 Roof: Cast concrete (lightweight) 0.05m, Polystyrene 0.15m, cast > concrete 0,15m. U-value = 0.1859 (W/m2K) > 3.4 Ground Floor: Cast Concrete 0.15 m, polystyrene 0.05 m, U-value > = 0.5041 (W/m2K) > 3.5 Slabs: cast Concrete 0.15, U-value = 3,2558 (W/m2K) > > 4. Boundary Conditions: All the walls and the roof faces the > outside. The slabs are interiors and only the ground floor faces the > grund. > > 5. Run Period: 1/1 31/12 (whole year) > > 6. Internal gains: Occupancy 6 m2/person (70 W Sensible, 35 W > latent), Lighting 8 W/m2, Equipment 5 W7m2. All the time for the > whole year, including nights, weekends, etc. > > 7. Climate file CHL_Santiago_IWEC.epw (from the energyplus database) > > 8. Comfort band 20 C?-24C? > > 9. Ventilation: infiltration 0.25 (ach/h), auxiliari ventilatios > 3.25 (ach/h) on ESP-r infiltration of 3.25 (ach/h) > > Thank you again > > > Felipe Dur?n Palma > Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge > Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as > > > Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago > felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 > > > > > > El 9 Sep 2009, a las 00:22, Tang, David escribi?: > >> Describe your model we'll run DOE2 and EnergyPlus to see who's right. >> >> geometry, >> orientation >> wall, window, roof materials, >> boundary conditions (is the wall contact outside, ground, other >> indoor space?) >> run period (from mm/dd to mm/dd), >> etc. >> as detail as possible. >> >> Regards, >> >> David Tang >> Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions >> Owens Corning >> T: +86 21 6101 9587; F: +86 21 6101 9588; m: +86 13817249419 >> >> >> >> From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk >> ] On Behalf Of Felipe Dur?n >> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:10 AM >> To: leen peeters >> Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> Subject: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads >> >> Leen, >> >> I am working with the EPW climate file of Santiago de Chile in both >> soft wares. I ve modelled a zone of 10 x 10 x 3 mt. high with no >> ventilation and no internal gains. The results are: >> >> ESP-r = 11.9 (heating), 1.86 (cooling) >> IES = 14.6 (heating), 5.2 (cooling) >> >> Now we got great differences in the cooling load. IES gave me 3 >> times more cooling loads than ESP-r >> >> Any ideas how to go proceed? >> >> Felipe Dur?n Palma >> Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge >> Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as >> >> Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago >> felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 >> >> >> El 8 Sep 2009, a las 16:49, leen peeters escribi?: >> >>> Felipe, >>> >>> set you climate to some artifical constant climqte with constant >>> temperature, constant solar radiation,... That is one more set of >>> variables excluded >>> >>> Leen >>> >>> 2009/9/8 Felipe Dur?n >>> Dear Samuel and Leen, >>> >>> Actually, when I found out such big differences I ve modelled a >>> very simple 3-zone model and the differences persist. >>> >>> I will try out with a simple box without ventilation and internal >>> gains and I will let you know the results. >>> >>> Thank you all for your help. >>> >>> Felipe Dur?n Palma >>> Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge >>> Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as >>> >>> >>> >>> Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago >>> felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 >>> >>> >>> El 8 Sep 2009, a las 13:19, Aizaz Samuel escribi?: >>> >>>> Try reducing your model complexity by modelling just one zone >>>> with minimal >>>> information possible. Simulate for just one day. If the two >>>> softwares compare >>>> well keep building up the model in complexity. >>>> >>>> -Aizaz >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday 08 September 2009 17:41, Felipe Dur?n wrote: >>>>> Dear All, >>>>> I am modeling in both ESP-r and IES-VE and office building and >>>>> the results >>>>> for heating and cooling loads are very different. >>>>> >>>>> ESP-r = 269 kW (heating); 237 kW (cooling) >>>>> IES-VE = 835 kW (Heating); 360 kW (cooling) >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone had a similar experience with such differences? >>>>> >>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Felipe Dur?n Palma >>>>> Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge >>>>> Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as >>>>> [cid:B9AD3F91-76F4-4F37-8A2C-7A559281C059] >>>>> Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago >>>>> felipe at b-green.cl - >>>>> www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 >> >> > > The information contained in this communication and its > attachment(s) is intended only for the use of the individual to whom > it is addressed and > may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or exempt > from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient, > you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or > copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this > communication in error, please notify postmaster at owenscorning.com > and delete the communication without retaining any copies. Thank you. > > Translations available: http://www.owenscorning.com/emailfooter.html > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090910/c6a8ba9a/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The rectified cooling and heating loads using CHL_Santiago_IWEC.epw for the 1 zone 10x10x3 concrete box are: IES_VE 14,66 kW (heating) 5.27 kW (cooling) ESP-r 8,029 kW (heating) 2,24 kW (cooling) Kind Regards, Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 El 10 Sep 2009, a las 13:31, Felipe Dur?n escribi?: > David, > > Thank you for your help. > The results of the 1 zone 10x10x3 concrete box are: > > IES_VE 14,66 kW (heating) 5,27 kW (cooling) > ESP-r 11,90 kW (heating) 1,86 kW (cooling) > > 1. Geometry: 1 zones of 10 m x 10 m x 3 m high. > > 2. Materials (outside to inside) > 2.1 External Wall: Cast Concrete 0,2m, U-value = 3,1963 (W/m2K) > 2.2 Roof: Cast Concrete 0,2 U-value = 3,5354 (W/m2K) > 2.3 Ground Floor: Cast Concrete 0.2 m, U-value = 2.8340 (W/m2K) > > 3. Boundary Conditions: All the walls and the roof faces the > outside. The ground floor faces the ground. > > 4. Run Period: 1/1 31/12 (whole year) > > 5.No Internal gains > > 6. Climate file CHL_Santiago_IWEC.epw (from the energyplus database) > > 7. Comfort band 20 C?-24C?, on Heating and Cooling Profile: > continiously > > 8. No Ventilation > > > Thank you again > > Felipe Dur?n Palma > Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge > Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as > > > > Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago > felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 > > > > > > El 9 Sep 2009, a las 22:56, Tang, David escribi?: > >> Felipe, >> I'd like to start with your 'a zone of 10 x 10 x 3 mt. high with no >> ventilation and no internal gains' model which is an excellent case >> to evaluate the fundamental algorithms. >> >> Please provide info of that model likewise. >> >> Having worked at IES-VE for 8+ years and coded part of Apache-sim >> and the whole of macroflo, it is interesting to see how it works >> from user's point of view. >> >> >> Regards, >> David Tang >> Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions >> Owens Corning >> T: +86 21 6101 9587; F: +86 21 6101 9588; m: +86 13817249419 >> >> >> >> From: Felipe Dur?n [mailto:felipe at b-green.cl] >> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:01 AM >> To: Tang, David >> Cc: leen peeters; Tang, Kevin; Xing, Nina; esp- >> r at lists.strath.ac.uk; Rodrigo Perez >> Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads >> >> David and Rodrigo, >> >> Thank you for your help. >> I`ve simplify the model and the results of the 3-floor office >> building are: >> >> IES_VE 390 kW (heating) 123 kW (cooling) >> ESP-r 246 kW (heating) 205 kW (cooling) >> >> >> The model conditions of the 3-floor office building are: >> IES_VE 390 kW (heating) 123 kW (cooling) >> >> 1. Geometry: 3 zones of 25 m x 60 m x 2.5 m high. 40% of glazing >> ratio for all the orientations >> >> 2. Orientation: North towards the long side (25 meters) >> >> 3. Materials (outside to inside) >> 3.1 External Wall: cast concrete 0,2m, Polystyrene 0.02m, Gypsum >> Plasterboard 0,01m. U-value = 0.9597 (W/m2K) >> 3.2 Window: Double glazing, clear float 6mm + 12mm cavity. U- >> Value=2.82 (W/m2K) >> 3.3 Roof: Cast concrete (lightweight) 0.05m, Polystyrene 0.15m, >> cast concrete 0,15m. U-value = 0.1859 (W/m2K) >> 3.4 Ground Floor: Cast Concrete 0.15 m, polystyrene 0.05 m, U-value >> = 0.5041 (W/m2K) >> 3.5 Slabs: cast Concrete 0.15, U-value = 3,2558 (W/m2K) >> >> 4. Boundary Conditions: All the walls and the roof faces the >> outside. The slabs are interiors and only the ground floor faces >> the grund. >> >> 5. Run Period: 1/1 31/12 (whole year) >> >> 6. Internal gains: Occupancy 6 m2/person (70 W Sensible, 35 W >> latent), Lighting 8 W/m2, Equipment 5 W7m2. All the time for the >> whole year, including nights, weekends, etc. >> >> 7. Climate file CHL_Santiago_IWEC.epw (from the energyplus database) >> >> 8. Comfort band 20 C?-24C? >> >> 9. Ventilation: infiltration 0.25 (ach/h), auxiliari ventilatios >> 3.25 (ach/h) on ESP-r infiltration of 3.25 (ach/h) >> >> Thank you again >> >> >> Felipe Dur?n Palma >> Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge >> Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as >> >> >> Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago >> felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 >> >> >> >> >> >> El 9 Sep 2009, a las 00:22, Tang, David escribi?: >> >>> Describe your model we'll run DOE2 and EnergyPlus to see who's >>> right. >>> >>> geometry, >>> orientation >>> wall, window, roof materials, >>> boundary conditions (is the wall contact outside, ground, other >>> indoor space?) >>> run period (from mm/dd to mm/dd), >>> etc. >>> as detail as possible. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> David Tang >>> Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions >>> Owens Corning >>> T: +86 21 6101 9587; F: +86 21 6101 9588; m: +86 13817249419 >>> >>> >>> >>> From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk >>> ] On Behalf Of Felipe Dur?n >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:10 AM >>> To: leen peeters >>> Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >>> Subject: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads >>> >>> Leen, >>> >>> I am working with the EPW climate file of Santiago de Chile in >>> both soft wares. I ve modelled a zone of 10 x 10 x 3 mt. high with >>> no ventilation and no internal gains. The results are: >>> >>> ESP-r = 11.9 (heating), 1.86 (cooling) >>> IES = 14.6 (heating), 5.2 (cooling) >>> >>> Now we got great differences in the cooling load. IES gave me 3 >>> times more cooling loads than ESP-r >>> >>> Any ideas how to go proceed? >>> >>> Felipe Dur?n Palma >>> Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge >>> Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as >>> >>> Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago >>> felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 >>> >>> >>> El 8 Sep 2009, a las 16:49, leen peeters escribi?: >>> >>>> Felipe, >>>> >>>> set you climate to some artifical constant climqte with constant >>>> temperature, constant solar radiation,... That is one more set of >>>> variables excluded >>>> >>>> Leen >>>> >>>> 2009/9/8 Felipe Dur?n >>>> Dear Samuel and Leen, >>>> >>>> Actually, when I found out such big differences I ve modelled a >>>> very simple 3-zone model and the differences persist. >>>> >>>> I will try out with a simple box without ventilation and internal >>>> gains and I will let you know the results. >>>> >>>> Thank you all for your help. >>>> >>>> Felipe Dur?n Palma >>>> Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge >>>> Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago >>>> felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 >>>> >>>> >>>> El 8 Sep 2009, a las 13:19, Aizaz Samuel escribi?: >>>> >>>>> Try reducing your model complexity by modelling just one zone >>>>> with minimal >>>>> information possible. Simulate for just one day. If the two >>>>> softwares compare >>>>> well keep building up the model in complexity. >>>>> >>>>> -Aizaz >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday 08 September 2009 17:41, Felipe Dur?n wrote: >>>>>> Dear All, >>>>>> I am modeling in both ESP-r and IES-VE and office building and >>>>>> the results >>>>>> for heating and cooling loads are very different. >>>>>> >>>>>> ESP-r = 269 kW (heating); 237 kW (cooling) >>>>>> IES-VE = 835 kW (Heating); 360 kW (cooling) >>>>>> >>>>>> Does anyone had a similar experience with such differences? >>>>>> >>>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Felipe Dur?n Palma >>>>>> Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge >>>>>> Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as >>>>>> [cid:B9AD3F91-76F4-4F37-8A2C-7A559281C059] >>>>>> Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago >>>>>> felipe at b-green.cl - >>>>>> www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 >>> >>> >> >> The information contained in this communication and its >> attachment(s) is intended only for the use of the individual to >> whom it is addressed and >> may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or exempt >> from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended >> recipient, >> you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or >> copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have >> received this >> communication in error, please notify postmaster at owenscorning.com >> and delete the communication without retaining any copies. Thank you. >> >> Translations available: http://www.owenscorning.com/emailfooter.html >> _______________________________________________ >> esp-r mailing list >> esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090910/36cd4bfc/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cooling 2,44 Kw. Kind Regards, Rodrigo Perez. _____ De: Felipe Dur?n [mailto:felipe at b-green.cl] Enviado el: jueves, 10 de septiembre de 2009 14:39 Para: Felipe Dur?n CC: Tang, David; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; Tang, Kevin; leen peeters; Xing, Nina; Rodrigo Perez Asunto: Re: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads David, I made a mistake and I simulated with esp-r using London Climate. The rectified cooling and heating loads using CHL_Santiago_IWEC.epw for the 1 zone 10x10x3 concrete box are: IES_VE 14,66 kW (heating) 5.27 kW (cooling) ESP-r 8,029 kW (heating) 2,24 kW (cooling) Kind Regards, Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 El 10 Sep 2009, a las 13:31, Felipe Dur?n escribi?: David, Thank you for your help. The results of the 1 zone 10x10x3 concrete box are: IES_VE 14,66 kW (heating) 5,27 kW (cooling) ESP-r 11,90 kW (heating) 1,86 kW (cooling) 1. Geometry: 1 zones of 10 m x 10 m x 3 m high. 2. Materials (outside to inside) 2.1 External Wall: Cast Concrete 0,2m, U-value = 3,1963 (W/m2K) 2.2 Roof: Cast Concrete 0,2 U-value = 3,5354 (W/m2K) 2.3 Ground Floor: Cast Concrete 0.2 m, U-value = 2.8340 (W/m2K) 3. Boundary Conditions: All the walls and the roof faces the outside. The ground floor faces the ground. 4. Run Period: 1/1 31/12 (whole year) 5.No Internal gains 6. Climate file CHL_Santiago_IWEC.epw (from the energyplus database) 7. Comfort band 20 C?-24C?, on Heating and Cooling Profile: continiously 8. No Ventilation Thank you again Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 El 9 Sep 2009, a las 22:56, Tang, David escribi?: Felipe, I'd like to start with your 'a zone of 10 x 10 x 3 mt. high with no ventilation and no internal gains' model which is an excellent case to evaluate the fundamental algorithms. Please provide info of that model likewise. Having worked at IES-VE for 8+ years and coded part of Apache-sim and the whole of macroflo, it is interesting to see how it works from user's point of view. Regards, David Tang Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions Owens Corning T: +86 21 6101 9587; F: +86 21 6101 9588; m: +86 13817249419 From: Felipe Dur?n [mailto:felipe at b-green.cl] Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:01 AM To: Tang, David Cc: leen peeters; Tang, Kevin; Xing, Nina; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; Rodrigo Perez Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads David and Rodrigo, Thank you for your help. I`ve simplify the model and the results of the 3-floor office building are: IES_VE 390 kW (heating) 123 kW (cooling) ESP-r 246 kW (heating) 205 kW (cooling) The model conditions of the 3-floor office building are: IES_VE 390 kW (heating) 123 kW (cooling) 1. Geometry: 3 zones of 25 m x 60 m x 2.5 m high. 40% of glazing ratio for all the orientations 2. Orientation: North towards the long side (25 meters) 3. Materials (outside to inside) 3.1 External Wall: cast concrete 0,2m, Polystyrene 0.02m, Gypsum Plasterboard 0,01m. U-value = 0.9597 (W/m2K) 3.2 Window: Double glazing, clear float 6mm + 12mm cavity. U-Value=2.82 (W/m2K) 3.3 Roof: Cast concrete (lightweight) 0.05m, Polystyrene 0.15m, cast concrete 0,15m. U-value = 0.1859 (W/m2K) 3.4 Ground Floor: Cast Concrete 0.15 m, polystyrene 0.05 m, U-value = 0.5041 (W/m2K) 3.5 Slabs: cast Concrete 0.15, U-value = 3,2558 (W/m2K) 4. Boundary Conditions: All the walls and the roof faces the outside. The slabs are interiors and only the ground floor faces the grund. 5. Run Period: 1/1 31/12 (whole year) 6. Internal gains: Occupancy 6 m2/person (70 W Sensible, 35 W latent), Lighting 8 W/m2, Equipment 5 W7m2. All the time for the whole year, including nights, weekends, etc. 7. Climate file CHL_Santiago_IWEC.epw (from the energyplus database) 8. Comfort band 20 C?-24C? 9. Ventilation: infiltration 0.25 (ach/h), auxiliari ventilatios 3.25 (ach/h) on ESP-r infiltration of 3.25 (ach/h) Thank you again Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 El 9 Sep 2009, a las 00:22, Tang, David escribi?: Describe your model we'll run DOE2 and EnergyPlus to see who's right. geometry, orientation wall, window, roof materials, boundary conditions (is the wall contact outside, ground, other indoor space?) run period (from mm/dd to mm/dd), etc. as detail as possible. Regards, David Tang Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions Owens Corning T: +86 21 6101 9587; F: +86 21 6101 9588; m: +86 13817249419 From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Felipe Dur?n Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:10 AM To: leen peeters Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads Leen, I am working with the EPW climate file of Santiago de Chile in both soft wares. I ve modelled a zone of 10 x 10 x 3 mt. high with no ventilation and no internal gains. The results are: ESP-r = 11.9 (heating), 1.86 (cooling) IES = 14.6 (heating), 5.2 (cooling) Now we got great differences in the cooling load. IES gave me 3 times more cooling loads than ESP-r Any ideas how to go proceed? Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 El 8 Sep 2009, a las 16:49, leen peeters escribi?: Felipe, set you climate to some artifical constant climqte with constant temperature, constant solar radiation,... That is one more set of variables excluded Leen 2009/9/8 Felipe Dur?n Dear Samuel and Leen, Actually, when I found out such big differences I ve modelled a very simple 3-zone model and the differences persist. I will try out with a simple box without ventilation and internal gains and I will let you know the results. Thank you all for your help. Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 El 8 Sep 2009, a las 13:19, Aizaz Samuel escribi?: Try reducing your model complexity by modelling just one zone with minimal information possible. Simulate for just one day. If the two softwares compare well keep building up the model in complexity. -Aizaz On Tuesday 08 September 2009 17:41, Felipe Dur?n wrote: Dear All, I am modeling in both ESP-r and IES-VE and office building and the results for heating and cooling loads are very different. ESP-r = 269 kW (heating); 237 kW (cooling) IES-VE = 835 kW (Heating); 360 kW (cooling) Does anyone had a similar experience with such differences? Kind Regards, Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as [cid:B9AD3F91-76F4-4F37-8A2C-7A559281C059 ] Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl > - 56 (2) 3431868 The information contained in this communication and its attachment(s) is intended only for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or exempt from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify postmaster at owenscorning.com and delete the communication without retaining any copies. Thank you. 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Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 1757 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090910/3a4246cf/attachment-0003.jpe From Nina.Xing at owenscorning.com Fri Sep 11 06:36:04 2009 From: Nina.Xing at owenscorning.com (Xing, Nina) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:36:04 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads In-Reply-To: <8562AB717C174F888E558FBCB8CD82CB@Termika> References: <200909081819.03839.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> <3cbed0ed0909081349h300b245brd70aa77fcef93b44@mail.gmail.com> <51957046-3CF5-4D01-8316-9C5E4AE8906C@b-green.cl> <75C7116929E8744596D1F206448AEB1D1FC617C5FE@APHS7200.ap.corp.owenscorning.com> <75C7116929E8744596D1F206448AEB1D1FC617C6F2@APHS7200.ap.corp.owenscorning.com> <3AF71FBD-AC51-49E2-89D1-E694B53DF4D9@b-green.cl> <5C9F3DC6-8032-41CF-814A-8FFDD5292850@b-green.cl> <8562AB717C174F888E558FBCB8CD82CB@Termika> Message-ID: Hi, all I had tried the simulation using both DesignBuilder and eQuest. The results showed the difference between them is tiny. DB Heating 8.88kW Cooling 3.66kW eQ Heating 8.73kW Cooling 3.04kW Best regards. Nina Xing ?? Energy Solutions Owens Corning ? +86 21 6101 9590 7 +86 21 6101 9588 ( +86 1361 1986 052 ________________________________ From: Rodrigo Perez [mailto:rodrigo.jpg at gmail.com] Sent: 2009?9?11? 3:12 To: 'Felipe Dur?n' Cc: Tang, David; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; Tang, Kevin; 'leen peeters'; Xing, Nina Subject: RE: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads Felipe and David, Simulating the same model proposed by David in DesingBuilder, I have the following result: Heating 8,99 Kw. Cooling 2,44 Kw. Kind Regards, Rodrigo Perez. [cid:885575003 at 11092009-0A2D] ________________________________ De: Felipe Dur?n [mailto:felipe at b-green.cl] Enviado el: jueves, 10 de septiembre de 2009 14:39 Para: Felipe Dur?n CC: Tang, David; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; Tang, Kevin; leen peeters; Xing, Nina; Rodrigo Perez Asunto: Re: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads David, I made a mistake and I simulated with esp-r using London Climate. The rectified cooling and heating loads using CHL_Santiago_IWEC.epw for the 1 zone 10x10x3 concrete box are: IES_VE 14,66 kW (heating) 5.27 kW (cooling) ESP-r 8,029 kW (heating) 2,24 kW (cooling) Kind Regards, Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as [cid:885575003 at 11092009-0A34] Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 El 10 Sep 2009, a las 13:31, Felipe Dur?n escribi?: David, Thank you for your help. The results of the 1 zone 10x10x3 concrete box are: IES_VE 14,66 kW (heating) 5,27 kW (cooling) ESP-r 11,90 kW (heating) 1,86 kW (cooling) 1. Geometry: 1 zones of 10 m x 10 m x 3 m high. 2. Materials (outside to inside) 2.1 External Wall: Cast Concrete 0,2m, U-value = 3,1963 (W/m2K) 2.2 Roof: Cast Concrete 0,2 U-value = 3,5354 (W/m2K) 2.3 Ground Floor: Cast Concrete 0.2 m, U-value = 2.8340 (W/m2K) 3. Boundary Conditions: All the walls and the roof faces the outside. The ground floor faces the ground. 4. Run Period: 1/1 31/12 (whole year) 5.No Internal gains 6. Climate file CHL_Santiago_IWEC.epw (from the energyplus database) 7. Comfort band 20 C?-24C?, on Heating and Cooling Profile: continiously 8. No Ventilation Thank you again Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 El 9 Sep 2009, a las 22:56, Tang, David escribi?: Felipe, I'd like to start with your 'a zone of 10 x 10 x 3 mt. high with no ventilation and no internal gains' model which is an excellent case to evaluate the fundamental algorithms. Please provide info of that model likewise. Having worked at IES-VE for 8+ years and coded part of Apache-sim and the whole of macroflo, it is interesting to see how it works from user's point of view. Regards, David Tang Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions Owens Corning T: +86 21 6101 9587; F: +86 21 6101 9588; m: +86 13817249419 From: Felipe Dur?n [mailto:felipe at b-green.cl] Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:01 AM To: Tang, David Cc: leen peeters; Tang, Kevin; Xing, Nina; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; Rodrigo Perez Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads David and Rodrigo, Thank you for your help. I`ve simplify the model and the results of the 3-floor office building are: IES_VE 390 kW (heating) 123 kW (cooling) ESP-r 246 kW (heating) 205 kW (cooling) The model conditions of the 3-floor office building are: IES_VE 390 kW (heating) 123 kW (cooling) 1. Geometry: 3 zones of 25 m x 60 m x 2.5 m high. 40% of glazing ratio for all the orientations 2. Orientation: North towards the long side (25 meters) 3. Materials (outside to inside) 3.1 External Wall: cast concrete 0,2m, Polystyrene 0.02m, Gypsum Plasterboard 0,01m. U-value = 0.9597 (W/m2K) 3.2 Window: Double glazing, clear float 6mm + 12mm cavity. U-Value=2.82 (W/m2K) 3.3 Roof: Cast concrete (lightweight) 0.05m, Polystyrene 0.15m, cast concrete 0,15m. U-value = 0.1859 (W/m2K) 3.4 Ground Floor: Cast Concrete 0.15 m, polystyrene 0.05 m, U-value = 0.5041 (W/m2K) 3.5 Slabs: cast Concrete 0.15, U-value = 3,2558 (W/m2K) 4. Boundary Conditions: All the walls and the roof faces the outside. The slabs are interiors and only the ground floor faces the grund. 5. Run Period: 1/1 31/12 (whole year) 6. Internal gains: Occupancy 6 m2/person (70 W Sensible, 35 W latent), Lighting 8 W/m2, Equipment 5 W7m2. All the time for the whole year, including nights, weekends, etc. 7. Climate file CHL_Santiago_IWEC.epw (from the energyplus database) 8. Comfort band 20 C?-24C? 9. Ventilation: infiltration 0.25 (ach/h), auxiliari ventilatios 3.25 (ach/h) on ESP-r infiltration of 3.25 (ach/h) Thank you again Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 El 9 Sep 2009, a las 00:22, Tang, David escribi?: Describe your model we'll run DOE2 and EnergyPlus to see who's right. geometry, orientation wall, window, roof materials, boundary conditions (is the wall contact outside, ground, other indoor space?) run period (from mm/dd to mm/dd), etc. as detail as possible. Regards, David Tang Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions Owens Corning T: +86 21 6101 9587; F: +86 21 6101 9588; m: +86 13817249419 From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Felipe Dur?n Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:10 AM To: leen peeters Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads Leen, I am working with the EPW climate file of Santiago de Chile in both soft wares. I ve modelled a zone of 10 x 10 x 3 mt. high with no ventilation and no internal gains. The results are: ESP-r = 11.9 (heating), 1.86 (cooling) IES = 14.6 (heating), 5.2 (cooling) Now we got great differences in the cooling load. IES gave me 3 times more cooling loads than ESP-r Any ideas how to go proceed? Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 El 8 Sep 2009, a las 16:49, leen peeters escribi?: Felipe, set you climate to some artifical constant climqte with constant temperature, constant solar radiation,... That is one more set of variables excluded Leen 2009/9/8 Felipe Dur?n > Dear Samuel and Leen, Actually, when I found out such big differences I ve modelled a very simple 3-zone model and the differences persist. I will try out with a simple box without ventilation and internal gains and I will let you know the results. Thank you all for your help. Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 El 8 Sep 2009, a las 13:19, Aizaz Samuel escribi?: Try reducing your model complexity by modelling just one zone with minimal information possible. Simulate for just one day. If the two softwares compare well keep building up the model in complexity. -Aizaz On Tuesday 08 September 2009 17:41, Felipe Dur?n wrote: Dear All, I am modeling in both ESP-r and IES-VE and office building and the results for heating and cooling loads are very different. ESP-r = 269 kW (heating); 237 kW (cooling) IES-VE = 835 kW (Heating); 360 kW (cooling) Does anyone had a similar experience with such differences? Kind Regards, Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as [cid:B9AD3F91-76F4-4F37-8A2C-7A559281C059] Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl> - 56 (2) 3431868 The information contained in this communication and its attachment(s) is intended only for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or exempt from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify postmaster at owenscorning.com and delete the communication without retaining any copies. Thank you. 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As before, esp-r slightly under estimated loads. [cid:394145205 at 11092009-351E] Regards, David Tang Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions Owens Corning T: +86 21 6101 9587; F: +86 21 6101 9588; m: +86 13817249419 ________________________________ From: Xing, Nina Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 1:36 PM To: Rodrigo Perez; 'Felipe Dur?n' Cc: Tang, David; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; Tang, Kevin; 'leen peeters' Subject: RE: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads Hi, all I had tried the simulation using both DesignBuilder and eQuest. The results showed the difference between them is tiny. DB Heating 8.88kW Cooling 3.66kW eQ Heating 8.73kW Cooling 3.04kW Best regards. Nina Xing ?? Energy Solutions Owens Corning ? +86 21 6101 9590 7 +86 21 6101 9588 ( +86 1361 1986 052 ________________________________ From: Rodrigo Perez [mailto:rodrigo.jpg at gmail.com] Sent: 2009?9?11? 3:12 To: 'Felipe Dur?n' Cc: Tang, David; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; Tang, Kevin; 'leen peeters'; Xing, Nina Subject: RE: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads Felipe and David, Simulating the same model proposed by David in DesingBuilder, I have the following result: Heating 8,99 Kw. Cooling 2,44 Kw. Kind Regards, Rodrigo Perez. [cid:394145205 at 11092009-3525] ________________________________ De: Felipe Dur?n [mailto:felipe at b-green.cl] Enviado el: jueves, 10 de septiembre de 2009 14:39 Para: Felipe Dur?n CC: Tang, David; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; Tang, Kevin; leen peeters; Xing, Nina; Rodrigo Perez Asunto: Re: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads David, I made a mistake and I simulated with esp-r using London Climate. The rectified cooling and heating loads using CHL_Santiago_IWEC.epw for the 1 zone 10x10x3 concrete box are: IES_VE 14,66 kW (heating) 5.27 kW (cooling) ESP-r 8,029 kW (heating) 2,24 kW (cooling) Kind Regards, Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as [cid:394145205 at 11092009-352C] Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 El 10 Sep 2009, a las 13:31, Felipe Dur?n escribi?: David, Thank you for your help. The results of the 1 zone 10x10x3 concrete box are: IES_VE 14,66 kW (heating) 5,27 kW (cooling) ESP-r 11,90 kW (heating) 1,86 kW (cooling) 1. Geometry: 1 zones of 10 m x 10 m x 3 m high. 2. Materials (outside to inside) 2.1 External Wall: Cast Concrete 0,2m, U-value = 3,1963 (W/m2K) 2.2 Roof: Cast Concrete 0,2 U-value = 3,5354 (W/m2K) 2.3 Ground Floor: Cast Concrete 0.2 m, U-value = 2.8340 (W/m2K) 3. Boundary Conditions: All the walls and the roof faces the outside. The ground floor faces the ground. 4. Run Period: 1/1 31/12 (whole year) 5.No Internal gains 6. Climate file CHL_Santiago_IWEC.epw (from the energyplus database) 7. Comfort band 20 C?-24C?, on Heating and Cooling Profile: continiously 8. No Ventilation Thank you again Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 El 9 Sep 2009, a las 22:56, Tang, David escribi?: Felipe, I'd like to start with your 'a zone of 10 x 10 x 3 mt. high with no ventilation and no internal gains' model which is an excellent case to evaluate the fundamental algorithms. Please provide info of that model likewise. Having worked at IES-VE for 8+ years and coded part of Apache-sim and the whole of macroflo, it is interesting to see how it works from user's point of view. Regards, David Tang Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions Owens Corning T: +86 21 6101 9587; F: +86 21 6101 9588; m: +86 13817249419 From: Felipe Dur?n [mailto:felipe at b-green.cl] Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:01 AM To: Tang, David Cc: leen peeters; Tang, Kevin; Xing, Nina; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; Rodrigo Perez Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads David and Rodrigo, Thank you for your help. I`ve simplify the model and the results of the 3-floor office building are: IES_VE 390 kW (heating) 123 kW (cooling) ESP-r 246 kW (heating) 205 kW (cooling) The model conditions of the 3-floor office building are: IES_VE 390 kW (heating) 123 kW (cooling) 1. Geometry: 3 zones of 25 m x 60 m x 2.5 m high. 40% of glazing ratio for all the orientations 2. Orientation: North towards the long side (25 meters) 3. Materials (outside to inside) 3.1 External Wall: cast concrete 0,2m, Polystyrene 0.02m, Gypsum Plasterboard 0,01m. U-value = 0.9597 (W/m2K) 3.2 Window: Double glazing, clear float 6mm + 12mm cavity. U-Value=2.82 (W/m2K) 3.3 Roof: Cast concrete (lightweight) 0.05m, Polystyrene 0.15m, cast concrete 0,15m. U-value = 0.1859 (W/m2K) 3.4 Ground Floor: Cast Concrete 0.15 m, polystyrene 0.05 m, U-value = 0.5041 (W/m2K) 3.5 Slabs: cast Concrete 0.15, U-value = 3,2558 (W/m2K) 4. Boundary Conditions: All the walls and the roof faces the outside. The slabs are interiors and only the ground floor faces the grund. 5. Run Period: 1/1 31/12 (whole year) 6. Internal gains: Occupancy 6 m2/person (70 W Sensible, 35 W latent), Lighting 8 W/m2, Equipment 5 W7m2. All the time for the whole year, including nights, weekends, etc. 7. Climate file CHL_Santiago_IWEC.epw (from the energyplus database) 8. Comfort band 20 C?-24C? 9. Ventilation: infiltration 0.25 (ach/h), auxiliari ventilatios 3.25 (ach/h) on ESP-r infiltration of 3.25 (ach/h) Thank you again Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 El 9 Sep 2009, a las 00:22, Tang, David escribi?: Describe your model we'll run DOE2 and EnergyPlus to see who's right. geometry, orientation wall, window, roof materials, boundary conditions (is the wall contact outside, ground, other indoor space?) run period (from mm/dd to mm/dd), etc. as detail as possible. Regards, David Tang Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions Owens Corning T: +86 21 6101 9587; F: +86 21 6101 9588; m: +86 13817249419 From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Felipe Dur?n Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:10 AM To: leen peeters Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads Leen, I am working with the EPW climate file of Santiago de Chile in both soft wares. I ve modelled a zone of 10 x 10 x 3 mt. high with no ventilation and no internal gains. The results are: ESP-r = 11.9 (heating), 1.86 (cooling) IES = 14.6 (heating), 5.2 (cooling) Now we got great differences in the cooling load. IES gave me 3 times more cooling loads than ESP-r Any ideas how to go proceed? Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 El 8 Sep 2009, a las 16:49, leen peeters escribi?: Felipe, set you climate to some artifical constant climqte with constant temperature, constant solar radiation,... That is one more set of variables excluded Leen 2009/9/8 Felipe Dur?n > Dear Samuel and Leen, Actually, when I found out such big differences I ve modelled a very simple 3-zone model and the differences persist. I will try out with a simple box without ventilation and internal gains and I will let you know the results. Thank you all for your help. Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 El 8 Sep 2009, a las 13:19, Aizaz Samuel escribi?: Try reducing your model complexity by modelling just one zone with minimal information possible. Simulate for just one day. If the two softwares compare well keep building up the model in complexity. -Aizaz On Tuesday 08 September 2009 17:41, Felipe Dur?n wrote: Dear All, I am modeling in both ESP-r and IES-VE and office building and the results for heating and cooling loads are very different. ESP-r = 269 kW (heating); 237 kW (cooling) IES-VE = 835 kW (Heating); 360 kW (cooling) Does anyone had a similar experience with such differences? Kind Regards, Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. 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Name: image003.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1757 bytes Desc: image003.jpg Url : http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090911/6aa80e4d/attachment-0005.jpg From paul at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Sep 11 09:08:56 2009 From: paul at esru.strath.ac.uk (Paul Strachan) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:08:56 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads In-Reply-To: <75C7116929E8744596D1F206448AEB1D1FC617C8EF@APHS7200.ap.corp.owenscorning.com> References: <200909081819.03839.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> <3cbed0ed0909081349h300b245brd70aa77fcef93b44@mail.gmail.com> <51957046-3CF5-4D01-8316-9C5E4AE8906C@b-green.cl> <75C7116929E8744596D1F206448AEB1D1FC617C5FE@APHS7200.ap.corp.owenscorning.com> <75C7116929E8744596D1F206448AEB1D1FC617C6F2@APHS7200.ap.corp.owenscorning.com> <3AF71FBD-AC51-49E2-89D1-E694B53DF4D9@b-green.cl> <5C9F3DC6-8032-41CF-814A-8FFDD5292850@b-green.cl> <8562AB717C174F888E558FBCB8CD82CB@Termika> <75C7116929E8744596D1F206448AEB1D1FC617C8EF@APHS7200.ap.corp.owenscorning.com> Message-ID: <4AAA0598.6010600@esru.strath.ac.uk> In other comparative validation studies of this type, it has been found essential that you have model equivalence between all models. For example, I suggest you look at making sure all programs make the same assumptions regarding surface coefficients for this test case, particularly internal convection coefficients - important in cases such as these where insulation values are low. Regards Paul > this concludes the first round of test. As before, esp-r slightly under estimated loads. > [cid:394145205 at 11092009-351E] > > Regards, > > David Tang > Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions > Owens Corning > T: +86 21 6101 9587; F: +86 21 6101 9588; m: +86 13817249419 > > > > ________________________________ > From: Xing, Nina > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 1:36 PM > To: Rodrigo Perez; 'Felipe Dur?n' > Cc: Tang, David; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; Tang, Kevin; 'leen peeters' > Subject: RE: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads > > Hi, all > > I had tried the simulation using both DesignBuilder and eQuest. > The results showed the difference between them is tiny. > > DB Heating 8.88kW Cooling 3.66kW > eQ Heating 8.73kW Cooling 3.04kW > > Best regards. > Nina Xing ?? > Energy Solutions > Owens Corning > ? +86 21 6101 9590 > 7 +86 21 6101 9588 > ( +86 1361 1986 052 > > > ________________________________ > From: Rodrigo Perez [mailto:rodrigo.jpg at gmail.com] > Sent: 2009?9?11? 3:12 > To: 'Felipe Dur?n' > Cc: Tang, David; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; Tang, Kevin; 'leen peeters'; Xing, Nina > Subject: RE: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads > > Felipe and David, > > Simulating the same model proposed by David in DesingBuilder, I have the following result: > > Heating 8,99 Kw. > Cooling 2,44 Kw. > > > Kind Regards, > > > Rodrigo Perez. > > [cid:394145205 at 11092009-3525] > > > ________________________________ > De: Felipe Dur?n [mailto:felipe at b-green.cl] > Enviado el: jueves, 10 de septiembre de 2009 14:39 > Para: Felipe Dur?n > CC: Tang, David; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; Tang, Kevin; leen peeters; Xing, Nina; Rodrigo Perez > Asunto: Re: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads > > David, > > I made a mistake and I simulated with esp-r using London Climate. > The rectified cooling and heating loads using CHL_Santiago_IWEC.epw for the 1 zone 10x10x3 concrete box are: > > IES_VE 14,66 kW (heating) 5.27 kW (cooling) > ESP-r 8,029 kW (heating) 2,24 kW (cooling) > > Kind Regards, > > Felipe Dur?n Palma > Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge > Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as > > [cid:394145205 at 11092009-352C] > > Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago > felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 > > > > > > > El 10 Sep 2009, a las 13:31, Felipe Dur?n escribi?: > > > David, > > Thank you for your help. > The results of the 1 zone 10x10x3 concrete box are: > > IES_VE 14,66 kW (heating) 5,27 kW (cooling) > ESP-r 11,90 kW (heating) 1,86 kW (cooling) > > 1. Geometry: 1 zones of 10 m x 10 m x 3 m high. > > 2. Materials (outside to inside) > 2.1 External Wall: Cast Concrete 0,2m, U-value = 3,1963 (W/m2K) > 2.2 Roof: Cast Concrete 0,2 U-value = 3,5354 (W/m2K) > 2.3 Ground Floor: Cast Concrete 0.2 m, U-value = 2.8340 (W/m2K) > > 3. Boundary Conditions: All the walls and the roof faces the outside. The ground floor faces the ground. > > 4. Run Period: 1/1 31/12 (whole year) > > 5.No Internal gains > > 6. Climate file CHL_Santiago_IWEC.epw (from the energyplus database) > > 7. Comfort band 20 C?-24C?, on Heating and Cooling Profile: continiously > > 8. No Ventilation > > > Thank you again > > Felipe Dur?n Palma > Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge > Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as > > > > Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago > felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 > > > > > > > El 9 Sep 2009, a las 22:56, Tang, David escribi?: > > > Felipe, > I'd like to start with your 'a zone of 10 x 10 x 3 mt. high with no ventilation and no internal gains' model which is an excellent case to evaluate the fundamental algorithms. > > Please provide info of that model likewise. > > Having worked at IES-VE for 8+ years and coded part of Apache-sim and the whole of macroflo, it is interesting to see how it works from user's point of view. > > > Regards, > > David Tang > Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions > Owens Corning > T: +86 21 6101 9587; F: +86 21 6101 9588; m: +86 13817249419 > > > From: Felipe Dur?n [mailto:felipe at b-green.cl] > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:01 AM > To: Tang, David > Cc: leen peeters; Tang, Kevin; Xing, Nina; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; Rodrigo Perez > Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads > David and Rodrigo, > > Thank you for your help. > I`ve simplify the model and the results of the 3-floor office building are: > > IES_VE 390 kW (heating) 123 kW (cooling) > ESP-r 246 kW (heating) 205 kW (cooling) > > > The model conditions of the 3-floor office building are: > IES_VE 390 kW (heating) 123 kW (cooling) > > 1. Geometry: 3 zones of 25 m x 60 m x 2.5 m high. 40% of glazing ratio for all the orientations > > 2. Orientation: North towards the long side (25 meters) > > 3. Materials (outside to inside) > 3.1 External Wall: cast concrete 0,2m, Polystyrene 0.02m, Gypsum Plasterboard 0,01m. U-value = 0.9597 (W/m2K) > 3.2 Window: Double glazing, clear float 6mm + 12mm cavity. U-Value=2.82 (W/m2K) > 3.3 Roof: Cast concrete (lightweight) 0.05m, Polystyrene 0.15m, cast concrete 0,15m. U-value = 0.1859 (W/m2K) > 3.4 Ground Floor: Cast Concrete 0.15 m, polystyrene 0.05 m, U-value = 0.5041 (W/m2K) > 3.5 Slabs: cast Concrete 0.15, U-value = 3,2558 (W/m2K) > > 4. Boundary Conditions: All the walls and the roof faces the outside. The slabs are interiors and only the ground floor faces the grund. > > 5. Run Period: 1/1 31/12 (whole year) > > 6. Internal gains: Occupancy 6 m2/person (70 W Sensible, 35 W latent), Lighting 8 W/m2, Equipment 5 W7m2. All the time for the whole year, including nights, weekends, etc. > > 7. Climate file CHL_Santiago_IWEC.epw (from the energyplus database) > > 8. Comfort band 20 C?-24C? > > 9. Ventilation: infiltration 0.25 (ach/h), auxiliari ventilatios 3.25 (ach/h) on ESP-r infiltration of 3.25 (ach/h) > > Thank you again > > > Felipe Dur?n Palma > Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge > Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as > > > > Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago > felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 > > > > > > > El 9 Sep 2009, a las 00:22, Tang, David escribi?: > > > Describe your model we'll run DOE2 and EnergyPlus to see who's right. > > geometry, > orientation > wall, window, roof materials, > boundary conditions (is the wall contact outside, ground, other indoor space?) > run period (from mm/dd to mm/dd), > etc. > as detail as possible. > > > Regards, > > David Tang > Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions > Owens Corning > T: +86 21 6101 9587; F: +86 21 6101 9588; m: +86 13817249419 > > > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Felipe Dur?n > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:10 AM > To: leen peeters > Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads > Leen, > > I am working with the EPW climate file of Santiago de Chile in both soft wares. I ve modelled a zone of 10 x 10 x 3 mt. high with no ventilation and no internal gains. The results are: > > ESP-r = 11.9 (heating), 1.86 (cooling) > IES = 14.6 (heating), 5.2 (cooling) > > Now we got great differences in the cooling load. IES gave me 3 times more cooling loads than ESP-r > > Any ideas how to go proceed? > > Felipe Dur?n Palma > Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge > Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as > > Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago > felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 > > > El 8 Sep 2009, a las 16:49, leen peeters escribi?: > > > Felipe, > > set you climate to some artifical constant climqte with constant temperature, constant solar radiation,... That is one more set of variables excluded > > Leen > 2009/9/8 Felipe Dur?n > > Dear Samuel and Leen, > > Actually, when I found out such big differences I ve modelled a very simple 3-zone model and the differences persist. > > I will try out with a simple box without ventilation and internal gains and I will let you know the results. > > Thank you all for your help. > > Felipe Dur?n Palma > Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge > Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as > > > > Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago > felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 > > > El 8 Sep 2009, a las 13:19, Aizaz Samuel escribi?: > > > Try reducing your model complexity by modelling just one zone with minimal > information possible. Simulate for just one day. If the two softwares compare > well keep building up the model in complexity. > > -Aizaz > > > On Tuesday 08 September 2009 17:41, Felipe Dur?n wrote: > > Dear All, > I am modeling in both ESP-r and IES-VE and office building and the results > for heating and cooling loads are very different. > > ESP-r = 269 kW (heating); 237 kW (cooling) > IES-VE = 835 kW (Heating); 360 kW (cooling) > > Does anyone had a similar experience with such differences? > > Kind Regards, > > Felipe Dur?n Palma > Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge > Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as > [cid:B9AD3F91-76F4-4F37-8A2C-7A559281C059] > Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago > felipe at b-green.cl - > www.b-green.cl> - 56 (2) 3431868 > > > The information contained in this communication and its attachment(s) is intended only for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed and > may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or exempt from disclosure. 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Thank you. > > Translations available: http://www.owenscorning.com/emailfooter.html > -- *************************************************************** Dr P A Strachan email: paul at esru.strath.ac.uk ESRU, Dept. of Mechanical Eng. phone: +44 141 548 2041 University of Strathclyde fax: +44 141 552 5105 Glasgow G1 1XJ, UK http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk *************************************************************** From felipe at b-green.cl Fri Sep 11 18:26:36 2009 From: felipe at b-green.cl (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Felipe_Dur=E1n?=) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:26:36 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads In-Reply-To: <75C7116929E8744596D1F206448AEB1D1FC617C8EF@APHS7200.ap.corp.owenscorning.com> References: <200909081819.03839.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> <3cbed0ed0909081349h300b245brd70aa77fcef93b44@mail.gmail.com> <51957046-3CF5-4D01-8316-9C5E4AE8906C@b-green.cl> <75C7116929E8744596D1F206448AEB1D1FC617C5FE@APHS7200.ap.corp.owenscorning.com> <75C7116929E8744596D1F206448AEB1D1FC617C6F2@APHS7200.ap.corp.owenscorning.com> <3AF71FBD-AC51-49E2-89D1-E694B53DF4D9@b-green.cl> <5C9F3DC6-8032-41CF-814A-8FFDD5292850@b-green.cl> <8562AB717C174F888E558FBCB8CD82CB@Termika> <75C7116929E8744596D1F206448AEB1D1FC617C8EF@APHS7200.ap.corp.owenscorning.com> Message-ID: I think that It also concludes that IES-VE dramatically over estimated loads. I`ve check the outside emissivity and they were the same. There was a little difference in the absorptivity, I`ve change it and the differences slightly increased (7.44 Heating and 1.19 Cooling). I?ve also checked site exposure and differences remains. Kind Regards, Felipe Dur?n Palma Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 El 11 Sep 2009, a las 01:58, Tang, David escribi?: > this concludes the first round of test. As before, esp-r slightly > under estimated loads. > > Regards, > > David Tang > Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions > Owens Corning > T: +86 21 6101 9587; F: +86 21 6101 9588; m: +86 13817249419 > > > > From: Xing, Nina > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 1:36 PM > To: Rodrigo Perez; 'Felipe Dur?n' > Cc: Tang, David; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; Tang, Kevin; 'leen peeters' > Subject: RE: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads > > Hi, all > > I had tried the simulation using both DesignBuilder and eQuest. > The results showed the difference between them is tiny. > > DB Heating 8.88kW Cooling 3.66kW > eQ Heating 8.73kW Cooling 3.04kW > > Best regards. > Nina Xing ?? > Energy Solutions > Owens Corning > ( +86 21 6101 9590 > 7 +86 21 6101 9588 > ( +86 1361 1986 052 > > > From: Rodrigo Perez [mailto:rodrigo.jpg at gmail.com] > Sent: 2009?9?11? 3:12 > To: 'Felipe Dur?n' > Cc: Tang, David; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; Tang, Kevin; 'leen > peeters'; Xing, Nina > Subject: RE: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads > > Felipe and David, > > Simulating the same model proposed by David in DesingBuilder, I have > the following result: > > Heating 8,99 Kw. > Cooling 2,44 Kw. > > > Kind Regards, > > > Rodrigo Perez. > > > > > De: Felipe Dur?n [mailto:felipe at b-green.cl] > Enviado el: jueves, 10 de septiembre de 2009 14:39 > Para: Felipe Dur?n > CC: Tang, David; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; Tang, Kevin; leen > peeters; Xing, Nina; Rodrigo Perez > Asunto: Re: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads > > David, > > I made a mistake and I simulated with esp-r using London Climate. > The rectified cooling and heating loads using CHL_Santiago_IWEC.epw > for the 1 zone 10x10x3 concrete box are: > > IES_VE 14,66 kW (heating) 5.27 kW (cooling) > ESP-r 8,029 kW (heating) 2,24 kW (cooling) > > Kind Regards, > > Felipe Dur?n Palma > Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge > Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as > > > > Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago > felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 > > > > > > > El 10 Sep 2009, a las 13:31, Felipe Dur?n escribi?: > > > David, > > Thank you for your help. > The results of the 1 zone 10x10x3 concrete box are: > > IES_VE 14,66 kW (heating) 5,27 kW (cooling) > ESP-r 11,90 kW (heating) 1,86 kW (cooling) > > 1. Geometry: 1 zones of 10 m x 10 m x 3 m high. > > 2. Materials (outside to inside) > 2.1 External Wall: Cast Concrete 0,2m, U-value = 3,1963 (W/m2K) > 2.2 Roof: Cast Concrete 0,2 U-value = 3,5354 (W/m2K) > 2.3 Ground Floor: Cast Concrete 0.2 m, U-value = 2.8340 (W/m2K) > > 3. Boundary Conditions: All the walls and the roof faces the > outside. The ground floor faces the ground. > > 4. Run Period: 1/1 31/12 (whole year) > > 5.No Internal gains > > 6. Climate file CHL_Santiago_IWEC.epw (from the energyplus database) > > 7. Comfort band 20 C?-24C?, on Heating and Cooling Profile: > continiously > > 8. No Ventilation > > > Thank you again > > Felipe Dur?n Palma > Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge > Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as > > > > Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago > felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 > > > > > > > El 9 Sep 2009, a las 22:56, Tang, David escribi?: > > > Felipe, > I'd like to start with your 'a zone of 10 x 10 x 3 mt. high with no > ventilation and no internal gains' model which is an excellent case > to evaluate the fundamental algorithms. > > Please provide info of that model likewise. > > Having worked at IES-VE for 8+ years and coded part of Apache-sim > and the whole of macroflo, it is interesting to see how it works > from user's point of view. > > > Regards, > David Tang > Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions > Owens Corning > T: +86 21 6101 9587; F: +86 21 6101 9588; m: +86 13817249419 > > > > From: Felipe Dur?n [mailto:felipe at b-green.cl] > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:01 AM > To: Tang, David > Cc: leen peeters; Tang, Kevin; Xing, Nina; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; > Rodrigo Perez > Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads > > David and Rodrigo, > > Thank you for your help. > I`ve simplify the model and the results of the 3-floor office > building are: > > IES_VE 390 kW (heating) 123 kW (cooling) > ESP-r 246 kW (heating) 205 kW (cooling) > > > The model conditions of the 3-floor office building are: > IES_VE 390 kW (heating) 123 kW (cooling) > > 1. Geometry: 3 zones of 25 m x 60 m x 2.5 m high. 40% of glazing > ratio for all the orientations > > 2. Orientation: North towards the long side (25 meters) > > 3. Materials (outside to inside) > 3.1 External Wall: cast concrete 0,2m, Polystyrene 0.02m, Gypsum > Plasterboard 0,01m. U-value = 0.9597 (W/m2K) > 3.2 Window: Double glazing, clear float 6mm + 12mm cavity. U- > Value=2.82 (W/m2K) > 3.3 Roof: Cast concrete (lightweight) 0.05m, Polystyrene 0.15m, cast > concrete 0,15m. U-value = 0.1859 (W/m2K) > 3.4 Ground Floor: Cast Concrete 0.15 m, polystyrene 0.05 m, U-value > = 0.5041 (W/m2K) > 3.5 Slabs: cast Concrete 0.15, U-value = 3,2558 (W/m2K) > > 4. Boundary Conditions: All the walls and the roof faces the > outside. The slabs are interiors and only the ground floor faces the > grund. > > 5. Run Period: 1/1 31/12 (whole year) > > 6. Internal gains: Occupancy 6 m2/person (70 W Sensible, 35 W > latent), Lighting 8 W/m2, Equipment 5 W7m2. All the time for the > whole year, including nights, weekends, etc. > > 7. Climate file CHL_Santiago_IWEC.epw (from the energyplus database) > > 8. Comfort band 20 C?-24C? > > 9. Ventilation: infiltration 0.25 (ach/h), auxiliari ventilatios > 3.25 (ach/h) on ESP-r infiltration of 3.25 (ach/h) > > Thank you again > > > Felipe Dur?n Palma > Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge > Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as > > > > Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago > felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 > > > > > > > El 9 Sep 2009, a las 00:22, Tang, David escribi?: > > > Describe your model we'll run DOE2 and EnergyPlus to see who's right. > > geometry, > orientation > wall, window, roof materials, > boundary conditions (is the wall contact outside, ground, other > indoor space?) > run period (from mm/dd to mm/dd), > etc. > as detail as possible. > > Regards, > > David Tang > Chief Engineer, Energy Solutions > Owens Corning > T: +86 21 6101 9587; F: +86 21 6101 9588; m: +86 13817249419 > > > > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > ] On Behalf Of Felipe Dur?n > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:10 AM > To: leen peeters > Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Heating and Cooling Loads > > Leen, > > I am working with the EPW climate file of Santiago de Chile in both > soft wares. I ve modelled a zone of 10 x 10 x 3 mt. high with no > ventilation and no internal gains. The results are: > > ESP-r = 11.9 (heating), 1.86 (cooling) > IES = 14.6 (heating), 5.2 (cooling) > > Now we got great differences in the cooling load. IES gave me 3 > times more cooling loads than ESP-r > > Any ideas how to go proceed? > > Felipe Dur?n Palma > Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge > Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as > > Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago > felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 > > > El 8 Sep 2009, a las 16:49, leen peeters escribi?: > > > Felipe, > > set you climate to some artifical constant climqte with constant > temperature, constant solar radiation,... That is one more set of > variables excluded > > Leen > > 2009/9/8 Felipe Dur?n > Dear Samuel and Leen, > > Actually, when I found out such big differences I ve modelled a very > simple 3-zone model and the differences persist. > > I will try out with a simple box without ventilation and internal > gains and I will let you know the results. > > Thank you all for your help. > > Felipe Dur?n Palma > Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge > Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as > > > > Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago > felipe at b-green.cl - www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 > > > El 8 Sep 2009, a las 13:19, Aizaz Samuel escribi?: > > > Try reducing your model complexity by modelling just one zone with > minimal > information possible. Simulate for just one day. If the two > softwares compare > well keep building up the model in complexity. > > -Aizaz > > > On Tuesday 08 September 2009 17:41, Felipe Dur?n wrote: > > Dear All, >> I am modeling in both ESP-r and IES-VE and office building and the >> results >> for heating and cooling loads are very different. >> >> ESP-r = 269 kW (heating); 237 kW (cooling) >> IES-VE = 835 kW (Heating); 360 kW (cooling) >> >> Does anyone had a similar experience with such differences? >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Felipe Dur?n Palma >> Arquitecto PUC, MPhil. U. Cambridge >> Director de Proyectos y Asesor?as >> [cid:B9AD3F91-76F4-4F37-8A2C-7A559281C059] >> Obispo Donoso 5 oficina 62 - Providencia - Santiago >> felipe at b-green.cl - >> www.b-green.cl - 56 (2) 3431868 > > > > The information contained in this communication and its > attachment(s) is intended only for the use of the individual to whom > it is addressed and > may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or exempt > from disclosure. 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Regards Mark -- Researcher, Integrated Simulation Team, DASS consultants Ltd. 632-9 Guui 1(il)-dong Gwangjin-gu Seoul (143-834 Korea) T. 82.2.913.2585/ F. 82.2.949.2585/ H. www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090914/5e3dcc81/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Sep 14 15:33:13 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:33:13 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Is there certain ratio of infiltration & ventilation rate when we have ventailation rate only? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EDF7566F@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A question about ventilation and infiltration... Please note that the word ventilation in ESP-r refers to air moving between zones (forced or natural) and infiltraition in ESP-r refers to air from the outside (forced or natural via cracks etc.). Few buildings have no infiltration, even the best detailing and workers find it difficult to do this. An exception is buildings which are pressurized and even these will have some unintentional flows under some wind conditions and the over-pressure has to come from someplace. A mechanically ventilated building has some fresh air make-up air. Somehow your model would need to account for this because there is almost always a cost for tempering the fresh air make-up air whether it is done within the mechanical ventilation system or causes a demand when it enters the room. There are many ways to represent this in ESP-r - it depends on the design of the building and the systems. Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? [hwan at dasskorea.com] Sent: 14 September 2009 12:35 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Is there certain ratio of infiltration & ventilation rate when we have ventailation rate only? Hello everyone! Is there certain ratio of infiltration & ventilation rate when we have ventailation rate? When we model a building with mechanical ventilation, usually we got ventilation rate data only but we are not provided infiltration rate. In this case is it OK for us to assume that there is no infiltration? Is it enough to set ventilation rate from other zone? Your advice will be appreciated. Thank you in advance. Regards Mark -- Researcher, Integrated Simulation Team, DASS consultants Ltd. 632-9 Guui 1(il)-dong Gwangjin-gu Seoul (143-834 Korea) T. 82.2.913.2585/ F. 82.2.949.2585/ H. www.dasskorea.com From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Mon Sep 14 20:55:51 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:55:51 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Is there certain ratio of infiltration & ventilation rate when we have ventailation rate only? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Mark generally, you will have an infiltration rate. How large this is depends on the air tightness of your building envelope, the distribution of leakages and the stack and wind pressure differences (these will change all the time). If you have a balanced ventilation system, you will also typically have a pressure differential across the building envelope due to this system. If your leakages are large, your ventilation system may even not work as expected. The same is true for when your ventilation system ducts are not airtight enough. There are no general rules on how such leakages are distributed and how large they are. As a guideline, you can incorporate leakages such that the desired air tightness class according to standards is achieved. Distribute these leakages according to construction probabilities (e.g. windows, joints etc.) Best regards Achim On Sep 14, 2009, at 1:35 PM, ??? wrote: > Hello everyone! > > Is there certain ratio of infiltration & ventilation rate when we > have ventailation rate? > > When we model a building with mechanical ventilation, usually we got > ventilation rate data only > but we are not provided infiltration rate. > > In this case is it OK for us to assume that there is no infiltration? > Is it enough to set ventilation rate from other zone? > > Your advice will be appreciated. > > Thank you in advance. > > Regards > > Mark > > > -- > Researcher, > Integrated Simulation Team, DASS consultants Ltd. > > 632-9 Guui 1(il)-dong Gwangjin-gu Seoul (143-834 Korea) > T. 82.2.913.2585/ F. 82.2.949.2585/ H. www.dasskorea.com > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kind Regards, Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090915/1639bbea/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Tue Sep 15 21:22:28 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 22:22:28 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: 10 column limitation using RES In-Reply-To: <3114a7250909151046l67a9c9d7hf2ece9eab5dbb46a@mail.gmail.com> References: <3114a7250909151046l67a9c9d7hf2ece9eab5dbb46a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Scott two thoughts: (1) The variable names in RES are quite often somewhat misleading. For solar radiation, I have found it easiest / best to add a small surface with absorptivity of 1.0 as "sensor" on each elevation of interest. (2) There is an additional output possibility: xml. If your model is not too large / complex, the runtime increase when using xml output is not too dire. All you need is a compile with xml support and an input.xml file in the calling directory of esp-r. After a short run (a few timesteps) a file "dictionary" is created. This lists all available output. Then, the input.xml can be extended to whatever output you require and there is no limit to columns ... Regards Achim On Sep 15, 2009, at 7:46 PM, Scott Bucking wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm running a simulation that looks at incident solar energy on a > building surface and noticed a few things that I was hoping someone > could clarify. > > First is that 'SW incident solar' appears not to work for > transparent surfaces. Should I be using 'Solar processes' and > select 'solar entering from outside'? Or is this accounted for in > the overall building surface? > > Also, it appears that RES limits data output to 10 columns (anymore > then 10 surfaces appears to be cutoff from the GRT output file). Is > it possible to recompile ESPr and change this to, say 20 columns? > What was the original thought in limiting it to ten? > > Kind Regards, > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch From gialloneroverde at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 07:49:29 2009 From: gialloneroverde at gmail.com (giulio benincasa) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 08:49:29 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Air Flow network results Message-ID: <67666d10909152349tef673c3k65a9e1816c5c12eb@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I dont able to see my results of air flow nertwor, if I acces to *mymodel.mfr *and try to visualize for example *ambient temperature* or *node temperature *or *volume rate *the module res go to crash Someone know the possible cause ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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To clarify if the data in the mymodel.mfr is corrupt try switching to one of the other reporting forms for flow networks (column listing or statistics) and see if any variables are reported. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of giulio benincasa [gialloneroverde at gmail.com] Sent: 16 September 2009 07:50 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Air Flow network results 2009/9/16 giulio benincasa > Hi all, I dont able to see my results of air flow nertwor, if I acces to mymodel.mfr and try to visualize for example ambient temperature or node temperature or volume rate the module res go to crash Someone know the possible cause ? Thanks in advance Regards Giulio From sbucking at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 21:14:50 2009 From: sbucking at gmail.com (Scott Bucking) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:14:50 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Re: 10 column limitation using RES In-Reply-To: References: <3114a7250909151046l67a9c9d7hf2ece9eab5dbb46a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3114a7250909161314q3294ecb1vea48309f47f51058@mail.gmail.com> Hi Achim, Thanks for taking the time to reply. (1) The variable names in RES are quite often somewhat misleading. For solar > radiation, I have found it easiest / best to add a small surface with > absorptivity of 1.0 as "sensor" on each elevation of interest. > > Just curious regarding your reasoning for creating a sensor versus using the output from built-in variables. Have you found certain variables personally to be inaccurate with regards to incident solar energy? What is considered to be 'best practice' for extraction of incident solar radiation? My main concern in using a point sensor is that some modelling complexity with regards to self-shading via the insolation and shading module would be ignored or moreover the sensor might be placed by accident in a partially shaded area (please note that I am developing an optimization procedure that auto-generates geometry, and hence would require auto-sensor placement based on geometry). I am completely in favor, if both methods yield similar results regardless of shading. > (2) There is an additional output possibility: xml. If your model is not > too large / complex, the runtime increase when using xml output is not too > dire. All you need is a compile with xml support and an input.xml file in > the calling directory of esp-r. After a short run (a few timesteps) a file > "dictionary" is created. This lists all available output. Then, the > input.xml can be extended to whatever output you require and there is no > limit to columns ... > > I have played around a little with XML support but gave up when I discovered how to use RES via scripts. I am dealing with a lot of data, hourly time steps, annual simulation with electrical, air-flow networks, etc... So time taken to write to a text file adds up quickly. I found RES to be much more streamlined as I can extract specific variables from the res db file. The only option I am familiar with the output xml is the 'dump all data' option. Are there options to output specific variables? Any documentation on this? Is XML support still considered to be experimental? Scott > > > > On Sep 15, 2009, at 7:46 PM, Scott Bucking wrote: > > Hi all, >> >> I'm running a simulation that looks at incident solar energy on a building >> surface and noticed a few things that I was hoping someone could clarify. >> >> First is that 'SW incident solar' appears not to work for transparent >> surfaces. Should I be using 'Solar processes' and select 'solar entering >> from outside'? Or is this accounted for in the overall building surface? >> >> Also, it appears that RES limits data output to 10 columns (anymore then >> 10 surfaces appears to be cutoff from the GRT output file). Is it possible >> to recompile ESPr and change this to, say 20 columns? What was the original >> thought in limiting it to ten? >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Scott >> _______________________________________________ >> esp-r mailing list >> esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r >> > > achim.geissler at intergga.ch > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090916/5e0f2961/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Wed Sep 16 21:57:04 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:57:04 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: 10 column limitation using RES In-Reply-To: <3114a7250909161314q3294ecb1vea48309f47f51058@mail.gmail.com> References: <3114a7250909151046l67a9c9d7hf2ece9eab5dbb46a@mail.gmail.com> <3114a7250909161314q3294ecb1vea48309f47f51058@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <247943A8-3ABB-41FB-A824-EAB793361912@intergga.ch> Hi Scott comments as below. Achim On Sep 16, 2009, at 10:14 PM, Scott Bucking wrote: > (1) The variable names in RES are quite often somewhat misleading. > For solar radiation, I have found it easiest / best to add a small > surface with absorptivity of 1.0 as "sensor" on each elevation of > interest. > > Just curious regarding your reasoning for creating a sensor versus > using the output from built-in variables. Have you found certain > variables personally to be inaccurate with regards to incident solar > energy? What is considered to be 'best practice' for extraction of > incident solar radiation? The problem is not usually any inaccuracy, but that e.g. in this case to my knowledge no RES variable actually returns incident solar. The variable in RES that has this name should - as far as I remember - actually be called 'absorbed solar' (incident minus reflected minus transmitted). But it is some time ago we went through this and the "sensor surface" solution proved to be the most reliable for us. Also, as stated, the names of variables in RES are sometimes slightly misleading - you not always get what you would expect on the face of the variable name (especially, maybe, as non-native speaker). > My main concern in using a point sensor is that some modelling > complexity with regards to self-shading via the insolation and > shading module would be ignored or moreover the sensor might be > placed by accident in a partially shaded area (please note that I am > developing an optimization procedure that auto-generates geometry, > and hence would require auto-sensor placement based on geometry). Not quite sure I understand your meaning completely. But, any "solar entering" or "incident solar" in RES will also be affected by shading. I agree, however, that auto-generated geometry (sounds scary) could make placing a sensor a daunting task. On the other hand, quite a bit of information will be necessary for an auto-generated geometry, I would assume. Maybe that information is enough to place one or more sensors in appropriate positions. > I am completely in favor, if both methods yield similar results > regardless of shading. > > (2) There is an additional output possibility: xml. If your model is > not too large / complex, the runtime increase when using xml output > is not too dire. All you need is a compile with xml support and an > input.xml file in the calling directory of esp-r. After a short run > (a few timesteps) a file "dictionary" is created. This lists all > available output. Then, the input.xml can be extended to whatever > output you require and there is no limit to columns ... > > I have played around a little with XML support but gave up when I > discovered how to use RES via scripts. I am dealing with a lot of > data, hourly time steps, annual simulation with electrical, air-flow > networks, etc... So time taken to write to a text file adds up > quickly. I found RES to be much more streamlined as I can extract > specific variables from the res db file. > > The only option I am familiar with the output xml is the 'dump all > data' option. Are there options to output specific variables? Any > documentation on this? Is XML support still considered to be > experimental? > You can choose your output in detail - each variable by itself. I do not know if there is any "official" documentation. However, the procedure is quite self-explanatory, if you look at an exemplar with input.xml file and the "dictionary" file from a short run. The output of the .xml run is then a tabulator-separated list of all variables at time-step level. You cannot, however, go back and extract additional values without running the full simulation again. Writing the actual text file (which is done at the end of a simulation run) does not really seem to be a large time-issue. The storing of values during run- time is what makes simulation slow for large / complex models when xml is activated, as far as I am aware. The Xml output is not experimental, as far as I know (at least, not any more experimental than the whole of the ESP-r system). > Scott > > > > > On Sep 15, 2009, at 7:46 PM, Scott Bucking wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm running a simulation that looks at incident solar energy on a > building surface and noticed a few things that I was hoping someone > could clarify. > > First is that 'SW incident solar' appears not to work for > transparent surfaces. Should I be using 'Solar processes' and > select 'solar entering from outside'? Or is this accounted for in > the overall building surface? > > Also, it appears that RES limits data output to 10 columns (anymore > then 10 surfaces appears to be cutoff from the GRT output file). Is > it possible to recompile ESPr and change this to, say 20 columns? > What was the original thought in limiting it to ten? > > Kind Regards, > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > achim.geissler at intergga.ch > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r achim.geissler at intergga.ch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090916/6039ca6a/attachment.html From mdbusman at wesm.ph Thu Sep 17 05:35:18 2009 From: mdbusman at wesm.ph (Michael Dan B. Usman) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:35:18 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] *.res file Message-ID: <769816CA134B044B8E32CDC61489B4D306C36D@moappsvr5.wesm.ph> dear all, as i was going thru the tutorial of the simple building, i was able to run the program but it seems i cannot open the *.res file. i am using the native windows simulator since i still do not have a linux station. is there any way i can open the *.res file without resulting to installing a linux platform in my pc? thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090917/1519bf35/attachment.html From manzan at units.it Thu Sep 17 08:21:37 2009 From: manzan at units.it (Marco Manzan) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:21:37 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: 10 column limitation using RES In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090917092137.15213tuywwk4s39c@wmail1.units.it> > > Hi all, > > I'm running a simulation that looks at incident solar energy on a building > surface and noticed a few things that I was hoping someone could clarify. > > First is that 'SW incident solar' appears not to work for transparent > surfaces. Should I be using 'Solar processes' and select 'solar entering > from outside'? Or is this accounted for in the overall building surface? > > Also, it appears that RES limits data output to 10 columns (anymore then 10 > surfaces appears to be cutoff from the GRT output file). Is it possible to > recompile ESPr and change this to, say 20 columns? What was the original > thought in limiting it to ten? > > Kind Regards, > > Scott dear Scott SW incident solar does not work for transparent surfaces, for transparent surfaces you can simply check the value from the parent opaque surface. and yes there is the limit for ten colum values in res, I solved this problem by writing scripts and running them automatically. You can run the res with mode text, record the key sequence and write a script that saves the data on multiple files. The following script reads the "libb" file of results and saves the internal surface temperture for 4 walls in two separate files "out1.dat" and "out2.dat" -------------------------------------- #!/bin/bash res -mode text -file libb << EOF c #time step report g #performance matrix > #out to file out1.dat first data b #temp i #inside surface a #wall-1 b #wall-2 - #exit ! #list data > #out to screen > #out to file out2.dat second data series b #temp i #inside surfaces c #wall-3 d #wall-4 - #exit ! #list data - #exit - #exit - #exit EOF ---------------------------------- I hope this helps you Marco -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria Navale, del Mare e per l'Ambiente | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From ehsanbaharvand at hotmail.com Thu Sep 17 10:29:50 2009 From: ehsanbaharvand at hotmail.com (ehsanbaharvand at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:29:50 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Zone node Message-ID: Dear all, can somebody give feedback to the following questions?I would like to read more about the solutionprocedure which is used to calculate a zonal node temperature within the esp-r.how is this node exacly calculated supppose there is airflow network used.which and how integration algorithm is used to come to an approximate or exact solution? It would be really nice if I get more infomation about those numerical parts.So, is there somebody how knows more about this topics within esp-r and can reference some literature? Thanks in advance. kind regards Ehsan From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Thu Sep 17 11:38:06 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:38:06 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Zone node In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001b01ca3782$f29c34c0$d7d49e40$@geissler@intergga.ch> Best Buy: Permalink: http://amzn.com/0750650826 -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ehsanbaharvand at hotmail.com Sent: Donnerstag, 17. September 2009 11:30 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Zone node Dear all, can somebody give feedback to the following questions?I would like to read more about the solutionprocedure which is used to calculate a zonal node temperature within the esp-r.how is this node exacly calculated supppose there is airflow network used.which and how integration algorithm is used to come to an approximate or exact solution? It would be really nice if I get more infomation about those numerical parts.So, is there somebody how knows more about this topics within esp-r and can reference some literature? Thanks in advance. kind regards Ehsan _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Sep 17 12:51:47 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:51:47 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: 10 column limitation using RES - is now a 29 column limit Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EEC89291@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> I had a look at the code in the results analysis module (table.F) and was able to adapt the code so that it can now display about 20 columns of information (with single space or comma delimiting) in the graphic mode as well as about 29 columns of data when exporting to an external file. This has been tested on a few dozen models and appears to be working ok for a range of display options and data delimiter types. Several of the validation scripts have also been run and the results are identical (except for some reports where more data is now presented). This has just been committed to the Jon_Hand branch as revision 4655 for those who might want to look at the changes. Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Marco Manzan [manzan at units.it] Sent: 17 September 2009 08:21 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: 10 column limitation using RES > > Hi all, > > I'm running a simulation that looks at incident solar energy on a building > surface and noticed a few things that I was hoping someone could clarify. > > First is that 'SW incident solar' appears not to work for transparent > surfaces. Should I be using 'Solar processes' and select 'solar entering > from outside'? Or is this accounted for in the overall building surface? > > Also, it appears that RES limits data output to 10 columns (anymore then 10 > surfaces appears to be cutoff from the GRT output file). Is it possible to > recompile ESPr and change this to, say 20 columns? What was the original > thought in limiting it to ten? > > Kind Regards, > > Scott dear Scott SW incident solar does not work for transparent surfaces, for transparent surfaces you can simply check the value from the parent opaque surface. and yes there is the limit for ten colum values in res, I solved this problem by writing scripts and running them automatically. You can run the res with mode text, record the key sequence and write a script that saves the data on multiple files. The following script reads the "libb" file of results and saves the internal surface temperture for 4 walls in two separate files "out1.dat" and "out2.dat" -------------------------------------- #!/bin/bash res -mode text -file libb << EOF c #time step report g #performance matrix > #out to file out1.dat first data b #temp i #inside surface a #wall-1 b #wall-2 - #exit ! #list data > #out to screen > #out to file out2.dat second data series b #temp i #inside surfaces c #wall-3 d #wall-4 - #exit ! #list data - #exit - #exit - #exit EOF ---------------------------------- I hope this helps you Marco -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria Navale, del Mare e per l'Ambiente | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From perhaugaard at yahoo.dk Thu Sep 17 12:42:55 2009 From: perhaugaard at yahoo.dk (Per Haugaard) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 04:42:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [esp-r] Dissatisfied wall rad. temp. assymetry Message-ID: <631074.682.qm@web26605.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Dear group, I am doing an dynamic analysis on discomfort on MRT and VRT with different types of panes where some has build-in PV-cells. My model has a south facing window and 4 radiant sensors placed in different distances from the window. The results from my simulation shows that the maximum percentage of dissatisfied with wall rad. temp. assymetry is larger when my sensor is facing north (away from the window) than when the sensor is facing the window. I would assume that the percentage of dissatisfied (VRT) would be the same regardless if the sensor is facing north or south. Can anyone explain the procedure here? Any input is appreciated :) /Per Find din nye laptop p? kelkoo.dk. Se de gode tilbud her - http://dk.yahoo.com/r/pat/mm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090917/7be9ef32/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Sep 17 12:59:07 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:59:07 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: *.res file In-Reply-To: <769816CA134B044B8E32CDC61489B4D306C36D@moappsvr5.wesm.ph> References: <769816CA134B044B8E32CDC61489B4D306C36D@moappsvr5.wesm.ph> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EEC89293@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> It is not clear from this message if the user was able to locate the results file or if the results file was corrupted or some other fault. Were there any warnings or messages given? If you were not able to find the file it could be related to: a) the simulator probably placed the results file in your home folder and if the PATH to that folder is very long or has unprintable characters in it the search for the file may fail b) You are probably using a slightly older version of the native windows version and I could send you a newer version which might work better on your machine c) You chose a silent simulation - also try running the simulation in interactive mode. If you know the name of the file that was created (using the Windows file search) then use the file browser to locate that specific file. If the results file was corrupted it would be useful to try to run a simulation with one of the exemplar models and see if that set of results can be used. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Michael Dan B. Usman [mdbusman at wesm.ph] Sent: 17 September 2009 05:35 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] *.res file dear all, as i was going thru the tutorial of the simple building, i was able to run the program but it seems i cannot open the *.res file. i am using the native windows simulator since i still do not have a linux station. is there any way i can open the *.res file without resulting to installing a linux platform in my pc? thanks! From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Sep 17 13:28:58 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:28:58 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Dissatisfied wall rad. temp. assymetry In-Reply-To: <631074.682.qm@web26605.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <631074.682.qm@web26605.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EEC89295@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A question about MRT sensors.... The statment includes 'my sensor is facing north'. A MRT sensor is a rectangular body and all faces have the same properties and so this phrase is confusing. How does one face a rectangular body away from the window? Or is it that the sensors which are farther from the window that are giving a different than expected prediction? -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Per Haugaard [perhaugaard at yahoo.dk] Sent: 17 September 2009 12:42 To: esp-r Subject: [esp-r] Dissatisfied wall rad. temp. assymetry Dear group, I am doing an dynamic analysis on discomfort on MRT and VRT with different types of panes where some has build-in PV-cells. My model has a south facing window and 4 radiant sensors placed in different distances from the window. The results from my simulation shows that the maximum percentage of dissatisfied with wall rad. temp. assymetry is larger when my sensor is facing north (away from the window) than when the sensor is facing the window. I would assume that the percentage of dissatisfied (VRT) would be the same regardless if the sensor is facing north or south. Can anyone explain the procedure here? Any input is appreciated :) /Per ________________________________ Audi, Fiat, Peugeot, Skoda, Porsche, Toyota, Ford - Kelkoo har brugte biler til en hver smag! Klik her for at sammenligne priser. From obrien_liam at hotmail.com Thu Sep 17 14:06:06 2009 From: obrien_liam at hotmail.com (Liam O'Brien) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:06:06 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] install error - aco.exe error Message-ID: Hello all, I recently checked out the development branch and tried to install it. (I am using cygwin, gcc v. 3.4.4). Part-way though installation, I got the following message (after a lot of jargon): " make[1]: *** [aco.exe] error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/LiamO/Scr/csvdude/development_branch/scr/esruaco' make: *** [aco] Error 2 -------------- Install: Fatal error. Executable aco could not be built! Installation aborted. " Any thoughts? Thanks. Liam O'Brien _________________________________________________________________ New! Get to Messenger faster: Sign-in here now! http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677407 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090917/ff404991/attachment.html From obrien_liam at hotmail.com Thu Sep 17 17:15:59 2009 From: obrien_liam at hotmail.com (Liam O'Brien) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:15:59 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Re: install error - aco.exe error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, Jon. Since you asked...here's the bulk of the error message. It seems that it might trying to compile with the wrong version of gcc. I have both gcc 3.4.4 and 4.3.2. Advice on how to proceed would be greatly appreciated. Liam O'Brien ----------------------------------------------------------------- $ ./Install --gcc4 --compiler_version -4 -d /usr/esru -v ESP-r installation script. Please consult the README file before commencing installation. This script will rebuild the ESP-r modules on your system. You can abort this process at any time by pressing c. Please answer the following questions. Default answers are in []. To accept the default, press return. Your computer identifies itself as CYGWIN_NT-5.1. Is this information correct (y/n)? [y] The GNU compiler set will be used. Install with experimental XML output support? This may significantly increase simulation run-time. (y/n) [n] y XML output enabled for bps Graphics library: [2] (1) GTK graphics library (2) X11 graphics library (3) no graphics library (text-only application) 3 ESP-r can optionally retain debugging symbols and object files for use with a debugging program such as GDB. Retain debugging symbols? (y/n) [n] y Install ESP-r database files? (y/n) [y] Install training files? (y/n) [y] Intended shell command: make MCTYPE=cygw MCC=gcc-4 MCPL=g++-4 MFC=gfortran-4 DESTdir=/usr/esru ESPdir=/usr/esru/esp-r WWLINK=unshared EXE=.exe XINSTALLDIR= CFLAGS=-I../include -I../shocc -I/usr/local/include -I../cetc/h3kreports -I/usr/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/local/include/xslt -DCYGW -DXSL -g FFLAGS=-I../include -I../shocc -I/usr/local/include -I../cetc/h3kreports -DCYGW -g -fno-automatic -DGCC4 LD_FLAGS= ULIBS=-L/home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib -lversion -lfpe -lnoxesru -lXML -lstdc++ -lxslt -lxml2 xml_status= disableGccFPE enableXML libnoX aco b2e bps dbm dfs c2e clm e2r ecnv eco grd ish mfs mld mrt pdb prj res run vew where the libraries are in Proceed with installation of esp-r modules (y/n) [y]? Installing ESP-r system. This may take some time. - gathering versioning information from svn... Unavailable! - building disableGccFPE... Deleting /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libfpe.a cd `pwd`/lib; \ make the_libNoFPE make[1]: Entering directory `/home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib' ar ruv libfpe.a fpe_disable.o ar: creating libfpe.a a - fpe_disable.o if test -s /usr/bin/ranlib ; \ then ranlib libfpe.a ; \ fi make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib' Done. - building enableXML... Deleting /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a cd `pwd`/lib; \ make the_libH3KReports make[1]: Entering directory `/home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib' ar ruv libXML.a ConfigureH3kReports.o TReportsManager.o TBinnedData.o TVariableData.o TXMLAdapter.o TWildCards.o ar: creating libXML.a a - ConfigureH3kReports.o a - TReportsManager.o a - TBinnedData.o a - TVariableData.o a - TXMLAdapter.o a - TWildCards.o if test -s /usr/bin/ranlib ; \ then ranlib libXML.a ; \ fi make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib' Done. - building libnoX... Deleting /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libnoxesru.a cd `pwd`/lib; \ make the_libnoX; \ make the_libVer make[1]: Entering directory `/home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib' ar ruv libnoxesru.a esru_ask.o esru_blk.o esru_lib.o esru_libNonGTK.o esru_fc.o esru_nox.o ar: creating libnoxesru.a a - esru_ask.o a - esru_blk.o a - esru_lib.o a - esru_libNonGTK.o a - esru_fc.o a - esru_nox.o if test -s /usr/bin/ranlib ; \ then ranlib libnoxesru.a ; \ fi make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib' make[1]: Entering directory `/home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib' gfortran-4 -I../include -I../shocc -I/usr/local/include -I../cetc/h3kreports -DCYGW -g -fno-automatic -DGCC4 -c version.F ar ruv libversion.a version.o ar: creating libversion.a a - version.o if test -s /usr/bin/ranlib ; \ then ranlib libversion.a ; \ fi make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib' Done. - building aco... cd `pwd`/esruaco; make make[1]: Entering directory `/home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/esruaco' gfortran-4 -o aco.exe -I../include -I../shocc -I/usr/local/include -I../cetc/h3kreports -DCYGW -g -fno-automatic -DGCC4 aco.o acocalc.o acoesp.o arrow.o ascii_mat.o c2fdum.o common3dv.o cread3dv.o ctlexp.o ctread.o dossupport.o e3dviews.o econstr.o edatabase.o edcondb.o egeometry.o emfnetw.o enetmisc.o eroper.o esru_misc.o esystem.o item.o mfcdat.o nwkrewr.o plelev.o pltcfg.o readaco.o readBCF.o readTrnsys.o rwipv.o rwsbem.o sort.o startup.o tdfile.o -L/home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib -lversion -lfpe -lnoxesru -lXML -lstdc++ -lxslt -lxml2 Info: resolving std::cout by linking to __imp___ZSt4cout (auto-import) Info: resolving std::cerr by linking to __imp___ZSt4cerr (auto-import) Info: resolving _xmlFree by linking to __imp__xmlFree (auto-import) /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/4.3.2/../../../../i686-pc-cygwin/bin/ld: warning: auto-importing has been activated without --enable-auto-import specified on the command line. This should work unless it involves constant data structures referencing symbols from auto-imported DLLs./home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_Z4trimRKSsPKc': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:35: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:35: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:48: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:48: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `rep_report__': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:77: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:77: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:78: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:83: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:83: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `rep_set_meta__': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:119: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:119: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:120: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:126: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:126: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `rep_set_config_file__': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:133: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:133: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:134: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:136: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:136: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `rep_set_parameter__': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:147: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:147: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:148: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:151: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:151: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `rep_report_config__': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:181: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:181: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:199: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:199: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `rep_report_list__': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:206: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:206: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:216: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:216: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `rep_update_config__': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:224: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:224: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:226: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:229: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:229: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `rep_toggle_config__': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:235: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:235: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:237: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:239: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:239: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `add_to_xml_reporting__': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:292: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:292: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:293: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:302: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:302: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManager8InstanceEv': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:484: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:484: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:487: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:489: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManagerC2Ev': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:494: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:494: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:511: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:511: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManagerC1Ev': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:494: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:494: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:511: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:511: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManager13OutputSummaryEv': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:731: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:731: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:732: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:732: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManager16OutputXMLSummaryEv': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:766: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:766: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:771: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:782: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:782: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_Z14PathComponentsSs': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:788: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:788: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:789: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:802: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:802: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManager16OutputXMLSummaryERKSs': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:808: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:808: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:817: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:874: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:874: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManager16OutputDictionaryEv': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:884: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:884: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:885: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:885: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManager16OutputDictionaryERKSs': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:888: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:888: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:909: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:909: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManager16OutputTXTsummaryEv': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:920: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:920: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:921: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:921: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManager16OutputTXTsummaryERKSs': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:925: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:925: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:954: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:954: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManager13OutputCSVDataEv': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:965: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:965: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:966: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:966: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManager13OutputCSVDataERKSs': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:970: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:970: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1071: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1071: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManager18SetReportParameterERKSsS1_': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1082: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1082: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1089: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1092: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1099: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManager16UpdateConfigFileEv': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1109: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1109: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1172: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1172: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManager15ParseConfigFileERKSs': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1182: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1182: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1185: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1247: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1247: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManager8SetFlagsEv': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1255: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1255: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1389: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1389: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManager10SearchVarsERKSt6vectorISsSaISsEERKSsR13TVariableDatai': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1545: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1545: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1560: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1575: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManager12Open_db_fileEv': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1644: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1644: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1666: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1666: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManager16Write_to_db_fileEidl': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1726: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1726: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1736: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1766: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsESaIS3_EE11_M_leftmostEv': /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairISsSsED1Ev[std::pair, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::~pair()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairISsSsED1Ev[std::pair, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::~pair()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairISsSsED1Ev[std::pair, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::~pair()]+0x81): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairISsSsED1Ev[std::pair, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::~pair()]+0x9e): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairIKSsSsED1Ev[std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::~pair()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairIKSsSsED1Ev[std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::~pair()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairIKSsSsED1Ev[std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::~pair()]+0x81): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairIKSsSsED1Ev[std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::~pair()]+0x9e): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt3mapISs13TVariableDataSt4lessISsESaISt4pairIKSsS0_EEEC1Ev[std::map, std::allocator >, TVariableData, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::map()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt3mapISs13TVariableDataSt4lessISsESaISt4pairIKSsS0_EEEC1Ev[std::map, std::allocator >, TVariableData, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::map()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt3mapISs13TVariableDataSt4lessISsESaISt4pairIKSsS0_EEEC1Ev[std::map, std::allocator >, TVariableData, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::map()]+0x90): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt3mapISs13TVariableDataSt4lessISsESaISt4pairIKSsS0_EEEC1Ev[std::map, std::allocator >, TVariableData, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::map()]+0xa6): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsESaIS3_EED1Ev[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::~_Rb_tree()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsESaIS3_EED1Ev[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::~_Rb_tree()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsESaIS3_EED1Ev[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::~_Rb_tree()]+0x86): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsESaIS3_EED1Ev[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::~_Rb_tree()]+0x9c): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorI14TTimeDataRangeSaIS0_EED1Ev[std::vector >::~vector()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorI14TTimeDataRangeSaIS0_EED1Ev[std::vector >::~vector()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorI14TTimeDataRangeSaIS0_EED1Ev[std::vector >::~vector()]+0x8a): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorI14TTimeDataRangeSaIS0_EED1Ev[std::vector >::~vector()]+0xa7): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt3mapISsSsSt4lessISsESaISt4pairIKSsSsEEEC1Ev[std::map, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::map()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt3mapISsSsSt4lessISsESaISt4pairIKSsSsEEEC1Ev[std::map, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::map()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt3mapISsSsSt4lessISsESaISt4pairIKSsSsEEEC1Ev[std::map, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::map()]+0x90): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt3mapISsSsSt4lessISsESaISt4pairIKSsSsEEEC1Ev[std::map, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::map()]+0xa6): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EED1Ev[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::~_Rb_tree()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EED1Ev[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::~_Rb_tree()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EED1Ev[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::~_Rb_tree()]+0x86): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EED1Ev[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::~_Rb_tree()]+0x9c): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorISsSaISsEED1Ev[std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > >::~vector()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorISsSaISsEED1Ev[std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > >::~vector()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorISsSaISsEED1Ev[std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > >::~vector()]+0x8a): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorISsSaISsEED1Ev[std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > >::~vector()]+0xa7): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorIiSaIiEED1Ev[std::vector >::~vector()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorIiSaIiEED1Ev[std::vector >::~vector()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorIiSaIiEED1Ev[std::vector >::~vector()]+0x8a): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorIiSaIiEED1Ev[std::vector >::~vector()]+0xa7): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt3mapISs13TVariableDataSt4lessISsESaISt4pairIKSsS0_EEEixERS4_[std::map, std::allocator >, TVariableData, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::operator[](std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0x12): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt3mapISs13TVariableDataSt4lessISsESaISt4pairIKSsS0_EEEixERS4_[std::map, std::allocator >, TVariableData, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::operator[](std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0x40): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_Z4trimRKSsPKc': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:48: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:48: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsESaIS3_EE11_M_leftmostEv': /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZN13TVariableDataD1Ev[TVariableData::~TVariableData()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZN13TVariableDataD1Ev[TVariableData::~TVariableData()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_Z4trimRKSsPKc': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:38: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:38: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsESaIS3_EE11_M_leftmostEv': /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataED1Ev[std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>::~pair()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataED1Ev[std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>::~pair()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataED1Ev[std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>::~pair()]+0x81): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataED1Ev[std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>::~pair()]+0x9e): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt3mapISsSsSt4lessISsESaISt4pairIKSsSsEEEixERS3_[std::map, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::operator[](std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0xf): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt3mapISsSsSt4lessISsESaISt4pairIKSsSsEEEixERS3_[std::map, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::operator[](std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0x34): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_Z4trimRKSsPKc': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:43: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:46: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsESaIS3_EE11_M_leftmostEv': /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorIP8_xmlNodeSaIS1_EED1Ev[std::vector<_xmlNode*, std::allocator<_xmlNode*> >::~vector()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorIP8_xmlNodeSaIS1_EED1Ev[std::vector<_xmlNode*, std::allocator<_xmlNode*> >::~vector()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorIP8_xmlNodeSaIS1_EED1Ev[std::vector<_xmlNode*, std::allocator<_xmlNode*> >::~vector()]+0x8a): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorIP8_xmlNodeSaIS1_EED1Ev[std::vector<_xmlNode*, std::allocator<_xmlNode*> >::~vector()]+0xa7): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairISsSsEC1ERKSsS2_[std::pair, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::pair(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairISsSsEC1ERKSsS2_[std::pair, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::pair(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairISsSsEC1ERKSsS2_[std::pair, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::pair(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0xa1): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairISsSsEC1ERKSsS2_[std::pair, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::pair(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0xac): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairIKSsSsEC1ISsSsEERKS_IT_T0_E[std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::pair, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >(std::pair, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairIKSsSsEC1ISsSsEERKS_IT_T0_E[std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::pair, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >(std::pair, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairIKSsSsEC1ISsSsEERKS_IT_T0_E[std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::pair, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >(std::pair, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > const&)]+0xa4): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairIKSsSsEC1ISsSsEERKS_IT_T0_E[std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::pair, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >(std::pair, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > const&)]+0xaf): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsESaIS3_EEC1ERKS7_RKS8_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::_Rb_tree(std::less, std::allocator > > const&, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsESaIS3_EEC1ERKS7_RKS8_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::_Rb_tree(std::less, std::allocator > > const&, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsESaIS3_EEC1ERKS7_RKS8_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::_Rb_tree(std::less, std::allocator > > const&, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > const&)]+0x97): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsESaIS3_EEC1ERKS7_RKS8_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::_Rb_tree(std::less, std::allocator > > const&, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > const&)]+0xad): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseI14TTimeDataRangeSaIS0_EED2Ev[std::_Vector_base >::~_Vector_base()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseI14TTimeDataRangeSaIS0_EED2Ev[std::_Vector_base >::~_Vector_base()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseI14TTimeDataRangeSaIS0_EED2Ev[std::_Vector_base >::~_Vector_base()]+0x94): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseI14TTimeDataRangeSaIS0_EED2Ev[std::_Vector_base >::~_Vector_base()]+0xaa): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EEC1ERKS6_RKS7_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::_Rb_tree(std::less, std::allocator > > const&, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EEC1ERKS6_RKS7_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::_Rb_tree(std::less, std::allocator > > const&, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EEC1ERKS6_RKS7_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::_Rb_tree(std::less, std::allocator > > const&, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > const&)]+0x97): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EEC1ERKS6_RKS7_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::_Rb_tree(std::less, std::allocator > > const&, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > const&)]+0xad): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseISsSaISsEED2Ev[std::_Vector_base, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > >::~_Vector_base()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseISsSaISsEED2Ev[std::_Vector_base, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > >::~_Vector_base()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseISsSaISsEED2Ev[std::_Vector_base, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > >::~_Vector_base()]+0x94): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseISsSaISsEED2Ev[std::_Vector_base, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > >::~_Vector_base()]+0xaa): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseIiSaIiEED2Ev[std::_Vector_base >::~_Vector_base()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseIiSaIiEED2Ev[std::_Vector_base >::~_Vector_base()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseIiSaIiEED2Ev[std::_Vector_base >::~_Vector_base()]+0x94): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseIiSaIiEED2Ev[std::_Vector_base >::~_Vector_base()]+0xaa): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorIiSaIiEE13_M_insert_auxEN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIPiS1_EERKi[std::vector >::_M_insert_aux(__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, int const&)]+0xf): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorIiSaIiEE13_M_insert_auxEN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIPiS1_EERKi[std::vector >::_M_insert_aux(__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, int const&)]+0x34): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `rep_update__': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:66: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `rep_report__': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:83: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsESaIS3_EE11_M_leftmostEv': /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorI14TTimeDataRangeSaIS0_EE13_M_insert_auxEN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIPS0_S2_EERKS0_[std::vector >::_M_insert_aux(__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, TTimeDataRange const&)]+0x12): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorI14TTimeDataRangeSaIS0_EE13_M_insert_auxEN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIPS0_S2_EERKS0_[std::vector >::_M_insert_aux(__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, TTimeDataRange const&)]+0x40): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `rep_report__': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:78: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:84: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsESaIS3_EE11_M_leftmostEv': /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorIdSaIdEED1Ev[std::vector >::~vector()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorIdSaIdEED1Ev[std::vector >::~vector()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorIdSaIdEED1Ev[std::vector >::~vector()]+0x8a): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorIdSaIdEED1Ev[std::vector >::~vector()]+0xa7): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorI11TBinnedDataSaIS0_EED1Ev[std::vector >::~vector()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorI11TBinnedDataSaIS0_EED1Ev[std::vector >::~vector()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorI11TBinnedDataSaIS0_EED1Ev[std::vector >::~vector()]+0x8a): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorI11TBinnedDataSaIS0_EED1Ev[std::vector >::~vector()]+0xa7): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataEC1ERS0_RKS1_[std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>::pair(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, TVariableData const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataEC1ERS0_RKS1_[std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>::pair(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, TVariableData const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataEC1ERS0_RKS1_[std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>::pair(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, TVariableData const&)]+0xa1): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataEC1ERS0_RKS1_[std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>::pair(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, TVariableData const&)]+0xac): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZN13TVariableDataC1ERKS_[TVariableData::TVariableData(TVariableData const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZN13TVariableDataC1ERKS_[TVariableData::TVariableData(TVariableData const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `rep_report__': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:78: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:78: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsESaIS3_EE11_M_leftmostEv': /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorI11TBinnedDataSaIS0_EEC1ERKS2_[std::vector >::vector(std::vector > const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorI11TBinnedDataSaIS0_EEC1ERKS2_[std::vector >::vector(std::vector > const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorI11TBinnedDataSaIS0_EEC1ERKS2_[std::vector >::vector(std::vector > const&)]+0xa6): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_Z4trimRKSsPKc': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:37: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:37: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsESaIS3_EE11_M_leftmostEv': /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorIdSaIdEEC1ERKS1_[std::vector >::vector(std::vector > const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorIdSaIdEEC1ERKS1_[std::vector >::vector(std::vector > const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorIdSaIdEEC1ERKS1_[std::vector >::vector(std::vector > const&)]+0xa6): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_Z4trimRKSsPKc': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:37: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:37: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsESaIS3_EE11_M_leftmostEv': /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EEC1ERKS8_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::_Rb_tree(std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > > const&)]+0xf): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EEC1ERKS8_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::_Rb_tree(std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > > const&)]+0x34): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EEC1ERKS8_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::_Rb_tree(std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > > const&)]+0xd3): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_Z4trimRKSsPKc': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:46: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:46: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsESaIS3_EE11_M_leftmostEv': /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZSt10_ConstructISsSsEvPT_RKT0_[void std::_Construct, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >(std::basic_string, std::allocator >*, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZSt10_ConstructISsSsEvPT_RKT0_[void std::_Construct, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >(std::basic_string, std::allocator >*, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZSt10_ConstructISsSsEvPT_RKT0_[void std::_Construct, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >(std::basic_string, std::allocator >*, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0xa1): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZSt10_ConstructISsSsEvPT_RKT0_[void std::_Construct, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >(std::basic_string, std::allocator >*, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0xac): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorISsSaISsEE13_M_insert_auxEN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIPSsS1_EERKSs[std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > >::_M_insert_aux(__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator, std::allocator >*, std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > > >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0xf): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorISsSaISsEE13_M_insert_auxEN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIPSsS1_EERKSs[std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > >::_M_insert_aux(__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator, std::allocator >*, std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > > >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0x37): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_Z4trimRKSsPKc': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:37: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `rep_report__': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:83: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `rep_xml_summary__': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:109: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsESaIS3_EE11_M_leftmostEv': /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairIKSsSsEC1ERS0_S2_[std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::pair(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairIKSsSsEC1ERS0_S2_[std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::pair(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairIKSsSsEC1ERS0_S2_[std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::pair(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0xa1): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairIKSsSsEC1ERS0_S2_[std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::pair(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0xac): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseIP8_xmlNodeSaIS1_EED2Ev[std::_Vector_base<_xmlNode*, std::allocator<_xmlNode*> >::~_Vector_base()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseIP8_xmlNodeSaIS1_EED2Ev[std::_Vector_base<_xmlNode*, std::allocator<_xmlNode*> >::~_Vector_base()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseIP8_xmlNodeSaIS1_EED2Ev[std::_Vector_base<_xmlNode*, std::allocator<_xmlNode*> >::~_Vector_base()]+0x94): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseIP8_xmlNodeSaIS1_EED2Ev[std::_Vector_base<_xmlNode*, std::allocator<_xmlNode*> >::~_Vector_base()]+0xaa): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseIdSaIdEED2Ev[std::_Vector_base >::~_Vector_base()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseIdSaIdEED2Ev[std::_Vector_base >::~_Vector_base()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseIdSaIdEED2Ev[std::_Vector_base >::~_Vector_base()]+0x94): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseIdSaIdEED2Ev[std::_Vector_base >::~_Vector_base()]+0xaa): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseI11TBinnedDataSaIS0_EED2Ev[std::_Vector_base >::~_Vector_base()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseI11TBinnedDataSaIS0_EED2Ev[std::_Vector_base >::~_Vector_base()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseI11TBinnedDataSaIS0_EED2Ev[std::_Vector_base >::~_Vector_base()]+0x94): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseI11TBinnedDataSaIS0_EED2Ev[std::_Vector_base >::~_Vector_base()]+0xaa): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseIdSaIdEEC2EjRKS0_[std::_Vector_base >::_Vector_base(unsigned int, std::allocator const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseIdSaIdEEC2EjRKS0_[std::_Vector_base >::_Vector_base(unsigned int, std::allocator const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseIdSaIdEEC2EjRKS0_[std::_Vector_base >::_Vector_base(unsigned int, std::allocator const&)]+0xbe): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseIdSaIdEEC2EjRKS0_[std::_Vector_base >::_Vector_base(unsigned int, std::allocator const&)]+0xc9): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseI11TBinnedDataSaIS0_EEC2EjRKS1_[std::_Vector_base >::_Vector_base(unsigned int, std::allocator const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseI11TBinnedDataSaIS0_EEC2EjRKS1_[std::_Vector_base >::_Vector_base(unsigned int, std::allocator const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseI11TBinnedDataSaIS0_EEC2EjRKS1_[std::_Vector_base >::_Vector_base(unsigned int, std::allocator const&)]+0xbe): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseI11TBinnedDataSaIS0_EEC2EjRKS1_[std::_Vector_base >::_Vector_base(unsigned int, std::allocator const&)]+0xc9): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EE7_M_copyEPKSt13_Rb_tree_nodeIS2_EPSA_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::_M_copy(std::_Rb_tree_node, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > const*, std::_Rb_tree_node, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >*)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EE7_M_copyEPKSt13_Rb_tree_nodeIS2_EPSA_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::_M_copy(std::_Rb_tree_node, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > const*, std::_Rb_tree_node, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >*)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_Z4trimRKSsPKc': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:42: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:42: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsESaIS3_EE11_M_leftmostEv': /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZSt24__uninitialized_copy_auxIN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIP14TTimeDataRangeSt6vectorIS2_SaIS2_EEEES7_ET0_T_S9_S8_12__false_type[__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > > std::__uninitialized_copy_aux<__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > > >(__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, __false_type)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZSt24__uninitialized_copy_auxIN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIP14TTimeDataRangeSt6vectorIS2_SaIS2_EEEES7_ET0_T_S9_S8_12__false_type[__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > > std::__uninitialized_copy_aux<__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > > >(__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, __false_type)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_Z4trimRKSsPKc': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:35: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:35: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsESaIS3_EE11_M_leftmostEv': /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZSt24__uninitialized_copy_auxIN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIPK11TBinnedDataSt6vectorIS2_SaIS2_EEEEPS2_ET0_T_SB_SA_12__false_type[TBinnedData* std::__uninitialized_copy_aux<__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, TBinnedData*>(__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, TBinnedData*, __false_type)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZSt24__uninitialized_copy_auxIN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIPK11TBinnedDataSt6vectorIS2_SaIS2_EEEEPS2_ET0_T_SB_SA_12__false_type[TBinnedData* std::__uninitialized_copy_aux<__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, TBinnedData*>(__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, TBinnedData*, __false_type)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZSt24__uninitialized_copy_auxIN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIPK11TBinnedDataSt6vectorIS2_SaIS2_EEEEPS2_ET0_T_SB_SA_12__false_type[TBinnedData* std::__uninitialized_copy_aux<__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, TBinnedData*>(__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, TBinnedData*, __false_type)]+0xed): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZSt24__uninitialized_copy_auxIN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIPK11TBinnedDataSt6vectorIS2_SaIS2_EEEEPS2_ET0_T_SB_SA_12__false_type[TBinnedData* std::__uninitialized_copy_aux<__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, TBinnedData*>(__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, TBinnedData*, __false_type)]+0xf8): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZSt24__uninitialized_copy_auxIN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIPSsSt6vectorISsSaISsEEEES6_ET0_T_S8_S7_12__false_type[__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator, std::allocator >*, std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > > > std::__uninitialized_copy_aux<__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator, std::allocator >*, std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator, std::allocator >*, std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > > > >(__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator, std::allocator >*, std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator, std::allocator >*, std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator, std::allocator >*, std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > > >, __false_type)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZSt24__uninitialized_copy_auxIN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIPSsSt6vectorISsSaISsEEEES6_ET0_T_S8_S7_12__false_type[__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator, std::allocator >*, std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > > > std::__uninitialized_copy_aux<__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator, std::allocator >*, std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator, std::allocator >*, std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > > > >(__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator, std::allocator >*, std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator, std::allocator >*, std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator, std::allocator >*, std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > > >, __false_type)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_Z4trimRKSsPKc': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:35: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:35: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsESaIS3_EE11_M_leftmostEv': /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EE14_M_create_nodeERKS2_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::_M_create_node(std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EE14_M_create_nodeERKS2_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::_M_create_node(std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EE14_M_create_nodeERKS2_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::_M_create_node(std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > const&)]+0xc8): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EE14_M_create_nodeERKS2_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::_M_create_node(std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > const&)]+0xd9): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsESaIS3_EE14_M_create_nodeERKS3_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::_M_create_node(std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsESaIS3_EE14_M_create_nodeERKS3_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::_M_create_node(std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsESaIS3_EE14_M_create_nodeERKS3_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::_M_create_node(std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> const&)]+0xc8): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsESaIS3_EE14_M_create_nodeERKS3_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::_M_create_node(std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> const&)]+0xd9): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZSt10_ConstructISt4pairIKSsSsES2_EvPT_RKT0_[void std::_Construct, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >(std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >*, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZSt10_ConstructISt4pairIKSsSsES2_EvPT_RKT0_[void std::_Construct, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >(std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >*, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZSt10_ConstructISt4pairIKSsSsES2_EvPT_RKT0_[void std::_Construct, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >(std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >*, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > const&)]+0xa1): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZSt10_ConstructISt4pairIKSsSsES2_EvPT_RKT0_[void std::_Construct, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >(std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >*, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > const&)]+0xac): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairIKSsSsEC1ERKS1_[std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::pair(std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairIKSsSsEC1ERKS1_[std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::pair(std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairIKSsSsEC1ERKS1_[std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::pair(std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > const&)]+0xa4): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairIKSsSsEC1ERKS1_[std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::pair(std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > const&)]+0xaf): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZSt10_ConstructISt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataES3_EvPT_RKT0_[void std::_Construct, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> >(std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>*, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZSt10_ConstructISt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataES3_EvPT_RKT0_[void std::_Construct, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> >(std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>*, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZSt10_ConstructISt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataES3_EvPT_RKT0_[void std::_Construct, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> >(std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>*, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> const&)]+0xa1): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZSt10_ConstructISt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataES3_EvPT_RKT0_[void std::_Construct, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> >(std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>*, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> const&)]+0xac): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataEC1ERKS2_[std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>::pair(std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataEC1ERKS2_[std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>::pair(std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataEC1ERKS2_[std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>::pair(std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> const&)]+0xa4): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.text$_ZNSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataEC1ERKS2_[std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>::pair(std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> const&)]+0xaf): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TVariableData.o): In function `_Z11StringValuei': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:56: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:56: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:67: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:67: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TVariableData.o): In function `_Z11StringValued': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:72: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:72: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:83: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:83: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TVariableData.o): In function `_ZN13TVariableDataC2Ev': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:87: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:87: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:87: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:101: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:101: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TVariableData.o): In function `_ZN13TVariableDataC1Ev': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:87: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:87: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:87: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:101: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:101: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TVariableData.o): In function `_ZN13TVariableData7SetMetaERKSsS1_': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:176: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:176: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:192: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:193: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TVariableData.o): In function `_ZN13TVariableData12RetrieveMetaERKSs': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:391: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:391: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:400: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:400: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TVariableData.o): In function `_ZN13TVariableData9OutputXMLEP11TXMLAdapterRKP8_xmlNodeRSt3mapISsSsSt4lessISsESaISt4pairIKSsSsEEE': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:407: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:407: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:414: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:415: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:581: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:581: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TVariableData.o): In function `_ZN13TVariableData9OutputTXTERKSsRSt3mapISsSsSt4lessISsESaISt4pairIS0_SsEEE': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:603: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:603: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:649: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:649: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TVariableData.o): In function `_ZNKSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EE4sizeEv': /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_tree.h:(.text$_ZStplIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEESbIT_T0_T1_ERKS6_PKS3_[std::basic_string, std::allocator > std::operator+, std::allocator >(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, char const*)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_tree.h:(.text$_ZStplIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEESbIT_T0_T1_ERKS6_PKS3_[std::basic_string, std::allocator > std::operator+, std::allocator >(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, char const*)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_tree.h:(.text$_ZStplIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEESbIT_T0_T1_ERKS6_PKS3_[std::basic_string, std::allocator > std::operator+, std::allocator >(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, char const*)]+0x9e): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_tree.h:(.text$_ZStplIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEESbIT_T0_T1_ERKS6_PKS3_[std::basic_string, std::allocator > std::operator+, std::allocator >(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, char const*)]+0xa9): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_tree.h:(.text$_ZStplIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEESbIT_T0_T1_ERKS6_S8_[std::basic_string, std::allocator > std::operator+, std::allocator >(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_tree.h:(.text$_ZStplIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEESbIT_T0_T1_ERKS6_S8_[std::basic_string, std::allocator > std::operator+, std::allocator >(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_tree.h:(.text$_ZStplIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEESbIT_T0_T1_ERKS6_S8_[std::basic_string, std::allocator > std::operator+, std::allocator >(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0x9e): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_tree.h:(.text$_ZStplIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEESbIT_T0_T1_ERKS6_S8_[std::basic_string, std::allocator > std::operator+, std::allocator >(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0xa9): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_tree.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorIdSaIdEE13_M_insert_auxEN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIPdS1_EERKd[std::vector >::_M_insert_aux(__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, double const&)]+0xf): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_tree.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorIdSaIdEE13_M_insert_auxEN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIPdS1_EERKd[std::vector >::_M_insert_aux(__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, double const&)]+0x37): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TVariableData.o): In function `_Z11StringValued': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:83: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TVariableData.o): In function `_ZN13TVariableDataC2Ev': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:87: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TVariableData.o): In function `_ZNKSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EE4sizeEv': /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_tree.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorI11TBinnedDataSaIS0_EE13_M_insert_auxEN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIPS0_S2_EERKS0_[std::vector >::_M_insert_aux(__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, TBinnedData const&)]+0x12): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_tree.h:(.text$_ZNSt6vectorI11TBinnedDataSaIS0_EE13_M_insert_auxEN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIPS0_S2_EERKS0_[std::vector >::_M_insert_aux(__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, TBinnedData const&)]+0x40): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TVariableData.o): In function `_Z11StringValued': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:83: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TVariableData.o): In function `_ZN13TVariableDataC2Ev': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:87: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TVariableData.o): In function `_ZNKSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EE4sizeEv': /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_tree.h:(.text$_ZSt24__uninitialized_copy_auxIN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIP11TBinnedDataSt6vectorIS2_SaIS2_EEEES7_ET0_T_S9_S8_12__false_type[__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > > std::__uninitialized_copy_aux<__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > > >(__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, __false_type)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_tree.h:(.text$_ZSt24__uninitialized_copy_auxIN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIP11TBinnedDataSt6vectorIS2_SaIS2_EEEES7_ET0_T_S9_S8_12__false_type[__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > > std::__uninitialized_copy_aux<__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > > >(__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, __false_type)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TVariableData.o): In function `_Z11StringValuei': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:56: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:56: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TXMLAdapter.o): In function `_ZN11TXMLAdapterC2ESs': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TXMLAdapter.cpp:19: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TXMLAdapter.cpp:19: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TXMLAdapter.cpp:48: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TXMLAdapter.cpp:48: undefined reference to `__Un From: obrien_liam at hotmail.com To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:06:06 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] install error - aco.exe error Hello all, I recently checked out the development branch and tried to install it. (I am using cygwin, gcc v. 3.4.4). Part-way though installation, I got the following message (after a lot of jargon): " make[1]: *** [aco.exe] error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/LiamO/Scr/csvdude/development_branch/scr/esruaco' make: *** [aco] Error 2 -------------- Install: Fatal error. Executable aco could not be built! Installation aborted. " Any thoughts? Thanks. Liam O'Brien Click less, mail more: Hotmail on the new MSN homepage! _________________________________________________________________ New! Get to Messenger faster: Sign-in here now! http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677407 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090918/ff9f8fde/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Sep 18 10:26:39 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 10:26:39 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Radiatin direct incident on vertical surface In-Reply-To: <67666d10909180211s4bc4b4c5va9b50fb792965431@mail.gmail.com> References: <67666d10909180211s4bc4b4c5va9b50fb792965431@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EEC892A3@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A question about radiation on surfaces... ________________________________________ There is a way to calculate Radiatin direct incident on vertical surface ? ________________________________________ There is a reported variable for the solar absorbed on a surface. If you created a surface which had an outer layer which had a vary high absorptance (0.99) then this would be very close to what you are asking. -ESRU From mdbusman at wesm.ph Fri Sep 18 11:05:22 2009 From: mdbusman at wesm.ph (Michael Dan B. Usman) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 18:05:22 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] Re: *.res file Message-ID: <769816CA134B044B8E32CDC61489B4D306866F@moappsvr5.wesm.ph> Alright.. Thanks.. I'll be trying ur suggestions.. By the way, what is the newest version of the native windows installer? Thanks! -Sneaky bunny kun-Hagis expert>:-[ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090918/fbc5b490/attachment.html From ibeausol at mae.carleton.ca Fri Sep 18 22:00:29 2009 From: ibeausol at mae.carleton.ca (Ian Beausoleil-Morrison) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:00:29 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Re: install error - aco.exe error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004d01ca38a3$0da089d0$28e19d70$@carleton.ca> Liam, Unfortunately there is a library conflict when both gcc 3 and gcc 4 reside on the same system. This is a limitation related to the gcc compiler so there is no work-around other than to completely remove gcc 3 from your system. The following text is extracted from the ESP-r version 11.7 release notes: ? The default compiler set used by the Install script has been changed from gcc-3 to gcc-4. Developers with older Cygwin installations and/or Cygwin installations with both gcc-3 and gcc-4 may experience build errors related to the linking of standard libraries. If this occurs, it is recommended that you reinstall Cygwin and exclude the gcc-3 packages. - Ian ______________________________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Liam O'Brien Sent: September 17, 2009 12:16 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: install error - aco.exe error Thanks, Jon.? Since you asked...here's the bulk of the error message.? It seems that it might trying to compile with the wrong version of gcc. ? I have both gcc 3.4.4 and 4.3.2.? Advice on how to proceed would be greatly appreciated. Liam O'Brien ----------------------------------------------------------------- $ ./Install --gcc4? --compiler_version -4?? -d /usr/esru? -v ????????? ESP-r installation script. ?Please consult the README file before commencing ?installation.? This script will rebuild the ESP-r ?modules on your system.? You can abort this process ?at any time by pressing c. ?Please answer the following questions. Default answers ?are in []. To accept the default, press return. ?Your computer identifies itself as CYGWIN_NT-5.1. ?Is this information correct (y/n)? [y] ?The GNU compiler set will be used. ?Install with experimental XML output support? This may ?significantly increase simulation run-time. (y/n) [n] y ?XML output enabled for bps ?Graphics library: [2] ? (1) GTK graphics library ? (2) X11 graphics library ? (3) no graphics library (text-only application) 3 ?ESP-r can optionally retain debugging symbols and ?object files for use with a debugging program such ?as GDB. ?Retain debugging symbols? (y/n) [n] y ?Install ESP-r database files? (y/n) [y] ?Install training files? (y/n) [y] ?Intended shell command: ?make MCTYPE=cygw MCC=gcc-4 MCPL=g++-4 MFC=gfortran-4 DESTdir=/usr/esru ESPdir=/usr/esru/esp-r WWLINK=unshared EXE=.exe XINSTALLDIR= CFLAGS=-I../include -I../shocc -I/usr/local/include -I../cetc/h3kreports -I/usr/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/local/include/xslt -DCYGW -DXSL -g? FFLAGS=-I../include -I../shocc -I/usr/local/include -I../cetc/h3kreports -DCYGW -g? -fno-automatic -DGCC4 LD_FLAGS= ULIBS=-L/home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib? -lversion -lfpe -lnoxesru -lXML -lstdc++ -lxslt -lxml2 xml_status= disableGccFPE enableXML? libnoX? aco b2e bps dbm dfs c2e clm e2r ecnv eco grd ish mfs mld mrt pdb prj res run vew ?where the? libraries are in ?Proceed with installation of esp-r modules (y/n) [y]? ?Installing ESP-r system. This may take some time. ??? - gathering versioning information from svn... Unavailable! ??? - building disableGccFPE...? Deleting /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libfpe.a cd `pwd`/lib; \ ??????? make the_libNoFPE make[1]: Entering directory `/home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib' ar ruv libfpe.a fpe_disable.o ar: creating libfpe.a a - fpe_disable.o if test -s /usr/bin/ranlib ; \ ??????? then ranlib libfpe.a ; \ ??????? fi make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib' Done. ??? - building enableXML...? Deleting /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a cd `pwd`/lib; \ ??????? make the_libH3KReports make[1]: Entering directory `/home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib' ar ruv libXML.a ConfigureH3kReports.o TReportsManager.o TBinnedData.o TVariableData.o TXMLAdapter.o TWildCards.o ar: creating libXML.a a - ConfigureH3kReports.o a - TReportsManager.o a - TBinnedData.o a - TVariableData.o a - TXMLAdapter.o a - TWildCards.o if test -s /usr/bin/ranlib ; \ ??????? then ranlib libXML.a ; \ ??????? fi make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib' Done. ??? - building libnoX...? Deleting /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libnoxesru.a cd `pwd`/lib; \ ??????? make the_libnoX; \ ??????? make the_libVer make[1]: Entering directory `/home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib' ar ruv libnoxesru.a esru_ask.o esru_blk.o esru_lib.o esru_libNonGTK.o esru_fc.o esru_nox.o ar: creating libnoxesru.a a - esru_ask.o a - esru_blk.o a - esru_lib.o a - esru_libNonGTK.o a - esru_fc.o a - esru_nox.o if test -s /usr/bin/ranlib ; \ ??????? then ranlib libnoxesru.a ; \ ??????? fi make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib' make[1]: Entering directory `/home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib' gfortran-4? -I../include -I../shocc -I/usr/local/include -I../cetc/h3kreports -DCYGW -g? -fno-automatic -DGCC4 -c version.F ar ruv libversion.a version.o ar: creating libversion.a a - version.o if test -s /usr/bin/ranlib ; \ ??????? then ranlib libversion.a ; \ ??????? fi make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib' Done. ??? - building aco... cd `pwd`/esruaco; make make[1]: Entering directory `/home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/esruaco' gfortran-4? -o? aco.exe -I../include -I../shocc -I/usr/local/include -I../cetc/h3kreports -DCYGW -g? -fno-automatic -DGCC4 aco.o acocalc.o acoesp.o arrow.o ascii_mat.o c2fdum.o common3dv.o cread3dv.o ctlexp.o ctread.o dossupport.o e3dviews.o econstr.o edatabase.o edcondb.o egeometry.o emfnetw.o enetmisc.o eroper.o esru_misc.o esystem.o item.o mfcdat.o nwkrewr.o plelev.o pltcfg.o readaco.o readBCF.o readTrnsys.o rwipv.o rwsbem.o sort.o startup.o tdfile.o -L/home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib? -lversion -lfpe -lnoxesru -lXML -lstdc++ -lxslt -lxml2 Info: resolving std::cout? by linking to __imp___ZSt4cout (auto-import) Info: resolving std::cerr? by linking to __imp___ZSt4cerr (auto-import) Info: resolving _xmlFree by linking to __imp__xmlFree (auto-import) /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/4.3.2/../../../../i686-pc-cygwin/bin/ld: warning: auto-importing has been activated without --enable-auto-import specified on the command line. This should work unless it involves constant data structures referencing symbols from auto-imported DLLs./home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_Z4trimRKSsPKc': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:35: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:35: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:48: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:48: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `rep_report__': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:77: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:77: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:78: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:83: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:83: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `rep_set_meta__': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:119: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:119: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:120: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:126: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:126: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `rep_set_config_file__': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:133: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:133: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:134: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:136: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:136: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `rep_set_parameter__': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:147: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:147: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:148: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:151: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:151: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `rep_report_config__': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:181: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:181: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:199: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:199: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `rep_report_list__': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:206: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:206: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:216: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:216: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `rep_update_config__': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:224: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:224: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:226: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:229: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:229: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `rep_toggle_config__': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:235: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:235: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:237: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:239: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:239: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `add_to_xml_reporting__': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:292: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:292: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:293: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:302: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:302: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManager8InstanceEv': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:484: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:484: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:487: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:489: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManagerC2Ev': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:494: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:494: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:511: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:511: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManagerC1Ev': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:494: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:494: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:511: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:511: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManager13OutputSummaryEv': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:731: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:731: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:732: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:732: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManager16OutputXMLSummaryEv': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:766: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:766: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:771: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:782: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:782: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_Z14PathComponentsSs': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:788: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:788: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:789: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:802: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:802: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManager16OutputXMLSummaryERKSs': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:808: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:808: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:817: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:874: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:874: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManager16OutputDictionaryEv': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:884: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:884: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:885: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:885: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManager16OutputDictionaryERKSs': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:888: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:888: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:909: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:909: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManager16OutputTXTsummaryEv': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:920: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:920: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:921: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:921: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManager16OutputTXTsummaryERKSs': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:925: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:925: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:954: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:954: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManager13OutputCSVDataEv': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:965: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:965: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:966: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:966: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManager13OutputCSVDataERKSs': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:970: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:970: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1071: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1071: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManager18SetReportParameterERKSsS1_': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1082: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1082: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1089: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1092: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1099: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManager16UpdateConfigFileEv': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1109: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1109: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1172: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1172: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManager15ParseConfigFileERKSs': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1182: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1182: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1185: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1247: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1247: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManager8SetFlagsEv': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1255: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1255: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1389: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1389: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManager10SearchVarsERKSt6vectorISsSaISsEERKSsR13TVariableDatai ': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1545: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1545: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1560: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1575: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManager12Open_db_fileEv': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1644: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1644: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1666: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1666: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZN15TReportsManager16Write_to_db_fileEidl': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1726: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1726: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1736: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:1766: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsES aIS3_EE11_M_leftmostEv': /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairISsSsED1Ev[std::pair, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::~pair()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairISsSsED1Ev[std::pair, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::~pair()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairISsSsED1Ev[std::pair, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::~pair()]+0x81): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairISsSsED1Ev[std::pair, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::~pair()]+0x9e): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairIKSsSsED1Ev[std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::~pair()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairIKSsSsED1Ev[std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::~pair()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairIKSsSsED1Ev[std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::~pair()]+0x81): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairIKSsSsED1Ev[std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::~pair()]+0x9e): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt3mapISs13TVariableDataSt4lessISsESaISt4pairIKSsS0_EEEC1Ev[std::map, std::allocator >, TVariableData, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::map()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt3mapISs13TVariableDataSt4lessISsESaISt4pairIKSsS0_EEEC1Ev[std::map, std::allocator >, TVariableData, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::map()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt3mapISs13TVariableDataSt4lessISsESaISt4pairIKSsS0_EEEC1Ev[std::map, std::allocator >, TVariableData, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::map()]+0x90): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt3mapISs13TVariableDataSt4lessISsESaISt4pairIKSsS0_EEEC1Ev[std::map, std::allocator >, TVariableData, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::map()]+0xa6): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsE SaIS3_EED1Ev[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::~_Rb_tree()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsE SaIS3_EED1Ev[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::~_Rb_tree()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsE SaIS3_EED1Ev[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::~_Rb_tree()]+0x86): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsE SaIS3_EED1Ev[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::~_Rb_tree()]+0x9c): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorI14TTimeDataRangeSaIS0_EED1Ev[std::vector >::~vector()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorI14TTimeDataRangeSaIS0_EED1Ev[std::vector >::~vector()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorI14TTimeDataRangeSaIS0_EED1Ev[std::vector >::~vector()]+0x8a): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorI14TTimeDataRangeSaIS0_EED1Ev[std::vector >::~vector()]+0xa7): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt3mapISsSsSt4lessISsESaISt4pairIKSsSsEEEC1Ev[std::map, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::map()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt3mapISsSsSt4lessISsESaISt4pairIKSsSsEEEC1Ev[std::map, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::map()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt3mapISsSsSt4lessISsESaISt4pairIKSsSsEEEC1Ev[std::map, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::map()]+0x90): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt3mapISsSsSt4lessISsESaISt4pairIKSsSsEEEC1Ev[std::map, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::map()]+0xa6): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EED1Ev[ std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::~_Rb_tree()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EED1Ev[ std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::~_Rb_tree()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EED1Ev[ std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::~_Rb_tree()]+0x86): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EED1Ev[ std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::~_Rb_tree()]+0x9c): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorISsSaISsEED1Ev[std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > >::~vector()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorISsSaISsEED1Ev[std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > >::~vector()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorISsSaISsEED1Ev[std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > >::~vector()]+0x8a): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorISsSaISsEED1Ev[std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > >::~vector()]+0xa7): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorIiSaIiEED1Ev[std::vector >::~vector()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorIiSaIiEED1Ev[std::vector >::~vector()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorIiSaIiEED1Ev[std::vector >::~vector()]+0x8a): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorIiSaIiEED1Ev[std::vector >::~vector()]+0xa7): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt3mapISs13TVariableDataSt4lessISsESaISt4pairIKSsS0_EEEixERS4_[std::map , std::allocator >, TVariableData, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::operator[](std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0x12): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt3mapISs13TVariableDataSt4lessISsESaISt4pairIKSsS0_EEEixERS4_[std::map , std::allocator >, TVariableData, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::operator[](std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0x40): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_Z4trimRKSsPKc': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:48: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:48: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsES aIS3_EE11_M_leftmostEv': /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZN13TVariableDataD1Ev[TVariableData::~TVariableData()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZN13TVariableDataD1Ev[TVariableData::~TVariableData()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_Z4trimRKSsPKc': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:38: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:38: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsES aIS3_EE11_M_leftmostEv': /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataED1Ev[std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>::~pair()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataED1Ev[std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>::~pair()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataED1Ev[std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>::~pair()]+0x81): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataED1Ev[std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>::~pair()]+0x9e): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt3mapISsSsSt4lessISsESaISt4pairIKSsSsEEEixERS3_[std::map, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::operator[](std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0xf): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt3mapISsSsSt4lessISsESaISt4pairIKSsSsEEEixERS3_[std::map, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::operator[](std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0x34): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_Z4trimRKSsPKc': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:43: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:46: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsES aIS3_EE11_M_leftmostEv': /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorIP8_xmlNodeSaIS1_EED1Ev[std::vector<_xmlNode*, std::allocator<_xmlNode*> >::~vector()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorIP8_xmlNodeSaIS1_EED1Ev[std::vector<_xmlNode*, std::allocator<_xmlNode*> >::~vector()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorIP8_xmlNodeSaIS1_EED1Ev[std::vector<_xmlNode*, std::allocator<_xmlNode*> >::~vector()]+0x8a): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorIP8_xmlNodeSaIS1_EED1Ev[std::vector<_xmlNode*, std::allocator<_xmlNode*> >::~vector()]+0xa7): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairISsSsEC1ERKSsS2_[std::pair, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::pair(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairISsSsEC1ERKSsS2_[std::pair, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::pair(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairISsSsEC1ERKSsS2_[std::pair, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::pair(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0xa1): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairISsSsEC1ERKSsS2_[std::pair, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::pair(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0xac): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairIKSsSsEC1ISsSsEERKS_IT_T0_E[std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::pair, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >(std::pair, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairIKSsSsEC1ISsSsEERKS_IT_T0_E[std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::pair, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >(std::pair, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairIKSsSsEC1ISsSsEERKS_IT_T0_E[std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::pair, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >(std::pair, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > const&)]+0xa4): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairIKSsSsEC1ISsSsEERKS_IT_T0_E[std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::pair, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >(std::pair, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > const&)]+0xaf): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsE SaIS3_EEC1ERKS7_RKS8_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::_Rb_tree(std::less, std::allocator > > const&, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsE SaIS3_EEC1ERKS7_RKS8_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::_Rb_tree(std::less, std::allocator > > const&, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsE SaIS3_EEC1ERKS7_RKS8_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::_Rb_tree(std::less, std::allocator > > const&, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > const&)]+0x97): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsE SaIS3_EEC1ERKS7_RKS8_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::_Rb_tree(std::less, std::allocator > > const&, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > const&)]+0xad): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseI14TTimeDataRangeSaIS0_EED2Ev[std::_Vector_base >::~_Vector_base()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseI14TTimeDataRangeSaIS0_EED2Ev[std::_Vector_base >::~_Vector_base()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseI14TTimeDataRangeSaIS0_EED2Ev[std::_Vector_base >::~_Vector_base()]+0x94): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseI14TTimeDataRangeSaIS0_EED2Ev[std::_Vector_base >::~_Vector_base()]+0xaa): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EEC1ERK S6_RKS7_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::_Rb_tree(std::less, std::allocator > > const&, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EEC1ERK S6_RKS7_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::_Rb_tree(std::less, std::allocator > > const&, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EEC1ERK S6_RKS7_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::_Rb_tree(std::less, std::allocator > > const&, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > const&)]+0x97): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EEC1ERK S6_RKS7_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::_Rb_tree(std::less, std::allocator > > const&, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > const&)]+0xad): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseISsSaISsEED2Ev[std::_Vector_base, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > >::~_Vector_base()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseISsSaISsEED2Ev[std::_Vector_base, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > >::~_Vector_base()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseISsSaISsEED2Ev[std::_Vector_base, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > >::~_Vector_base()]+0x94): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseISsSaISsEED2Ev[std::_Vector_base, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > >::~_Vector_base()]+0xaa): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseIiSaIiEED2Ev[std::_Vector_base >::~_Vector_base()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseIiSaIiEED2Ev[std::_Vector_base >::~_Vector_base()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseIiSaIiEED2Ev[std::_Vector_base >::~_Vector_base()]+0x94): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseIiSaIiEED2Ev[std::_Vector_base >::~_Vector_base()]+0xaa): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorIiSaIiEE13_M_insert_auxEN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIPiS1_EE RKi[std::vector >::_M_insert_aux(__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, int const&)]+0xf): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorIiSaIiEE13_M_insert_auxEN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIPiS1_EE RKi[std::vector >::_M_insert_aux(__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, int const&)]+0x34): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `rep_update__': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:66: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `rep_report__': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:83: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsES aIS3_EE11_M_leftmostEv': /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorI14TTimeDataRangeSaIS0_EE13_M_insert_auxEN9__gnu_cxx17__normal _iteratorIPS0_S2_EERKS0_[std::vector >::_M_insert_aux(__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, TTimeDataRange const&)]+0x12): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorI14TTimeDataRangeSaIS0_EE13_M_insert_auxEN9__gnu_cxx17__normal _iteratorIPS0_S2_EERKS0_[std::vector >::_M_insert_aux(__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, TTimeDataRange const&)]+0x40): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `rep_report__': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:78: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:84: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsES aIS3_EE11_M_leftmostEv': /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorIdSaIdEED1Ev[std::vector >::~vector()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorIdSaIdEED1Ev[std::vector >::~vector()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorIdSaIdEED1Ev[std::vector >::~vector()]+0x8a): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorIdSaIdEED1Ev[std::vector >::~vector()]+0xa7): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorI11TBinnedDataSaIS0_EED1Ev[std::vector >::~vector()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorI11TBinnedDataSaIS0_EED1Ev[std::vector >::~vector()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorI11TBinnedDataSaIS0_EED1Ev[std::vector >::~vector()]+0x8a): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorI11TBinnedDataSaIS0_EED1Ev[std::vector >::~vector()]+0xa7): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataEC1ERS0_RKS1_[std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>::pair(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, TVariableData const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataEC1ERS0_RKS1_[std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>::pair(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, TVariableData const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataEC1ERS0_RKS1_[std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>::pair(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, TVariableData const&)]+0xa1): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataEC1ERS0_RKS1_[std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>::pair(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, TVariableData const&)]+0xac): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZN13TVariableDataC1ERKS_[TVariableData::TVariableData(TVariableData const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZN13TVariableDataC1ERKS_[TVariableData::TVariableData(TVariableData const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `rep_report__': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:78: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:78: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsES aIS3_EE11_M_leftmostEv': /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorI11TBinnedDataSaIS0_EEC1ERKS2_[std::vector >::vector(std::vector > const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorI11TBinnedDataSaIS0_EEC1ERKS2_[std::vector >::vector(std::vector > const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorI11TBinnedDataSaIS0_EEC1ERKS2_[std::vector >::vector(std::vector > const&)]+0xa6): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_Z4trimRKSsPKc': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:37: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:37: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsES aIS3_EE11_M_leftmostEv': /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorIdSaIdEEC1ERKS1_[std::vector >::vector(std::vector > const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorIdSaIdEEC1ERKS1_[std::vector >::vector(std::vector > const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorIdSaIdEEC1ERKS1_[std::vector >::vector(std::vector > const&)]+0xa6): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_Z4trimRKSsPKc': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:37: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:37: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsES aIS3_EE11_M_leftmostEv': /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EEC1ERK S8_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::_Rb_tree(std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > > const&)]+0xf): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EEC1ERK S8_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::_Rb_tree(std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > > const&)]+0x34): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EEC1ERK S8_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::_Rb_tree(std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > > const&)]+0xd3): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_Z4trimRKSsPKc': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:46: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:46: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsES aIS3_EE11_M_leftmostEv': /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZSt10_ConstructISsSsEvPT_RKT0_[void std::_Construct, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >(std::basic_string, std::allocator >*, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZSt10_ConstructISsSsEvPT_RKT0_[void std::_Construct, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >(std::basic_string, std::allocator >*, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZSt10_ConstructISsSsEvPT_RKT0_[void std::_Construct, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >(std::basic_string, std::allocator >*, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0xa1): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZSt10_ConstructISsSsEvPT_RKT0_[void std::_Construct, std::allocator >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >(std::basic_string, std::allocator >*, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0xac): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorISsSaISsEE13_M_insert_auxEN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIPSsS1 _EERKSs[std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > >::_M_insert_aux(__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator, std::allocator >*, std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > > >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0xf): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt6vectorISsSaISsEE13_M_insert_auxEN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIPSsS1 _EERKSs[std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > >::_M_insert_aux(__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator, std::allocator >*, std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > > >, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0x37): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_Z4trimRKSsPKc': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:37: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `rep_report__': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:83: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `rep_xml_summary__': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:109: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsES aIS3_EE11_M_leftmostEv': /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairIKSsSsEC1ERS0_S2_[std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::pair(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairIKSsSsEC1ERS0_S2_[std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::pair(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairIKSsSsEC1ERS0_S2_[std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::pair(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0xa1): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairIKSsSsEC1ERS0_S2_[std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::pair(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0xac): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseIP8_xmlNodeSaIS1_EED2Ev[std::_Vector_base<_xmlNode*, std::allocator<_xmlNode*> >::~_Vector_base()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseIP8_xmlNodeSaIS1_EED2Ev[std::_Vector_base<_xmlNode*, std::allocator<_xmlNode*> >::~_Vector_base()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseIP8_xmlNodeSaIS1_EED2Ev[std::_Vector_base<_xmlNode*, std::allocator<_xmlNode*> >::~_Vector_base()]+0x94): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseIP8_xmlNodeSaIS1_EED2Ev[std::_Vector_base<_xmlNode*, std::allocator<_xmlNode*> >::~_Vector_base()]+0xaa): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseIdSaIdEED2Ev[std::_Vector_base >::~_Vector_base()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseIdSaIdEED2Ev[std::_Vector_base >::~_Vector_base()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseIdSaIdEED2Ev[std::_Vector_base >::~_Vector_base()]+0x94): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseIdSaIdEED2Ev[std::_Vector_base >::~_Vector_base()]+0xaa): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseI11TBinnedDataSaIS0_EED2Ev[std::_Vector_base >::~_Vector_base()]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseI11TBinnedDataSaIS0_EED2Ev[std::_Vector_base >::~_Vector_base()]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseI11TBinnedDataSaIS0_EED2Ev[std::_Vector_base >::~_Vector_base()]+0x94): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseI11TBinnedDataSaIS0_EED2Ev[std::_Vector_base >::~_Vector_base()]+0xaa): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseIdSaIdEEC2EjRKS0_[std::_Vector_base >::_Vector_base(unsigned int, std::allocator const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseIdSaIdEEC2EjRKS0_[std::_Vector_base >::_Vector_base(unsigned int, std::allocator const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseIdSaIdEEC2EjRKS0_[std::_Vector_base >::_Vector_base(unsigned int, std::allocator const&)]+0xbe): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseIdSaIdEEC2EjRKS0_[std::_Vector_base >::_Vector_base(unsigned int, std::allocator const&)]+0xc9): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseI11TBinnedDataSaIS0_EEC2EjRKS1_[std::_Vector_base >::_Vector_base(unsigned int, std::allocator const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseI11TBinnedDataSaIS0_EEC2EjRKS1_[std::_Vector_base >::_Vector_base(unsigned int, std::allocator const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseI11TBinnedDataSaIS0_EEC2EjRKS1_[std::_Vector_base >::_Vector_base(unsigned int, std::allocator const&)]+0xbe): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt12_Vector_baseI11TBinnedDataSaIS0_EEC2EjRKS1_[std::_Vector_base >::_Vector_base(unsigned int, std::allocator const&)]+0xc9): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EE7_M_c opyEPKSt13_Rb_tree_nodeIS2_EPSA_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::_M_copy(std::_Rb_tree_node, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > const*, std::_Rb_tree_node, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >*)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EE7_M_c opyEPKSt13_Rb_tree_nodeIS2_EPSA_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::_M_copy(std::_Rb_tree_node, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > const*, std::_Rb_tree_node, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >*)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_Z4trimRKSsPKc': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:42: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:42: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsES aIS3_EE11_M_leftmostEv': /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZSt24__uninitialized_copy_auxIN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIP14TTimeData RangeSt6vectorIS2_SaIS2_EEEES7_ET0_T_S9_S8_12__false_type[__gnu_cxx::__norma l_iterator > > std::__uninitialized_copy_aux<__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > > >(__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, __false_type)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZSt24__uninitialized_copy_auxIN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIP14TTimeData RangeSt6vectorIS2_SaIS2_EEEES7_ET0_T_S9_S8_12__false_type[__gnu_cxx::__norma l_iterator > > std::__uninitialized_copy_aux<__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > > >(__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, __false_type)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_Z4trimRKSsPKc': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:35: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:35: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsES aIS3_EE11_M_leftmostEv': /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZSt24__uninitialized_copy_auxIN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIPK11TBinnedD ataSt6vectorIS2_SaIS2_EEEEPS2_ET0_T_SB_SA_12__false_type[TBinnedData* std::__uninitialized_copy_aux<__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, TBinnedData*>(__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, TBinnedData*, __false_type)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZSt24__uninitialized_copy_auxIN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIPK11TBinnedD ataSt6vectorIS2_SaIS2_EEEEPS2_ET0_T_SB_SA_12__false_type[TBinnedData* std::__uninitialized_copy_aux<__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, TBinnedData*>(__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, TBinnedData*, __false_type)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZSt24__uninitialized_copy_auxIN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIPK11TBinnedD ataSt6vectorIS2_SaIS2_EEEEPS2_ET0_T_SB_SA_12__false_type[TBinnedData* std::__uninitialized_copy_aux<__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, TBinnedData*>(__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, TBinnedData*, __false_type)]+0xed): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZSt24__uninitialized_copy_auxIN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIPK11TBinnedD ataSt6vectorIS2_SaIS2_EEEEPS2_ET0_T_SB_SA_12__false_type[TBinnedData* std::__uninitialized_copy_aux<__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, TBinnedData*>(__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, TBinnedData*, __false_type)]+0xf8): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZSt24__uninitialized_copy_auxIN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIPSsSt6vector ISsSaISsEEEES6_ET0_T_S8_S7_12__false_type[__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator, std::allocator >*, std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > > > std::__uninitialized_copy_aux<__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator, std::allocator >*, std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator, std::allocator >*, std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > > > >(__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator, std::allocator >*, std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator, std::allocator >*, std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator, std::allocator >*, std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > > >, __false_type)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZSt24__uninitialized_copy_auxIN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIPSsSt6vector ISsSaISsEEEES6_ET0_T_S8_S7_12__false_type[__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator, std::allocator >*, std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > > > std::__uninitialized_copy_aux<__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator, std::allocator >*, std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator, std::allocator >*, std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > > > >(__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator, std::allocator >*, std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator, std::allocator >*, std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > > >, __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator, std::allocator >*, std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator > > > >, __false_type)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_Z4trimRKSsPKc': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:35: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TReportsManager.cpp:35: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TReportsManager.o): In function `_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsES aIS3_EE11_M_leftmostEv': /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EE14_M_ create_nodeERKS2_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::_M_create_node(std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EE14_M_ create_nodeERKS2_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::_M_create_node(std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EE14_M_ create_nodeERKS2_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::_M_create_node(std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > const&)]+0xc8): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EE14_M_ create_nodeERKS2_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > > >::_M_create_node(std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > const&)]+0xd9): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsE SaIS3_EE14_M_create_nodeERKS3_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::_M_create_node(std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsE SaIS3_EE14_M_create_nodeERKS3_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::_M_create_node(std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsE SaIS3_EE14_M_create_nodeERKS3_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::_M_create_node(std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> const&)]+0xc8): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataESt10_Select1stIS3_ESt4lessISsE SaIS3_EE14_M_create_nodeERKS3_[std::_Rb_tree, std::allocator >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>, std::_Select1st, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> >, std::less, std::allocator > >, std::allocator, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> > >::_M_create_node(std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> const&)]+0xd9): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZSt10_ConstructISt4pairIKSsSsES2_EvPT_RKT0_[void std::_Construct, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >(std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >*, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZSt10_ConstructISt4pairIKSsSsES2_EvPT_RKT0_[void std::_Construct, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >(std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >*, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZSt10_ConstructISt4pairIKSsSsES2_EvPT_RKT0_[void std::_Construct, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >(std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >*, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > const&)]+0xa1): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZSt10_ConstructISt4pairIKSsSsES2_EvPT_RKT0_[void std::_Construct, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > >(std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >*, std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > const&)]+0xac): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairIKSsSsEC1ERKS1_[std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::pair(std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairIKSsSsEC1ERKS1_[std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::pair(std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairIKSsSsEC1ERKS1_[std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::pair(std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > const&)]+0xa4): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairIKSsSsEC1ERKS1_[std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > >::pair(std::pair, std::allocator > const, std::basic_string, std::allocator > > const&)]+0xaf): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZSt10_ConstructISt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataES3_EvPT_RKT0_[void std::_Construct, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> >(std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>*, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZSt10_ConstructISt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataES3_EvPT_RKT0_[void std::_Construct, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> >(std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>*, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZSt10_ConstructISt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataES3_EvPT_RKT0_[void std::_Construct, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> >(std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>*, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> const&)]+0xa1): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZSt10_ConstructISt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataES3_EvPT_RKT0_[void std::_Construct, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> >(std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>*, std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> const&)]+0xac): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataEC1ERKS2_[std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>::pair(std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataEC1ERKS2_[std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>::pair(std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataEC1ERKS2_[std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>::pair(std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> const&)]+0xa4): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:(.tex t$_ZNSt4pairIKSs13TVariableDataEC1ERKS2_[std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData>::pair(std::pair, std::allocator > const, TVariableData> const&)]+0xaf): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TVariableData.o): In function `_Z11StringValuei': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:56: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:56: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:67: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:67: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TVariableData.o): In function `_Z11StringValued': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:72: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:72: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:83: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:83: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TVariableData.o): In function `_ZN13TVariableDataC2Ev': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:87: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:87: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:87: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:101: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:101: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TVariableData.o): In function `_ZN13TVariableDataC1Ev': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:87: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:87: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:87: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:101: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:101: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TVariableData.o): In function `_ZN13TVariableData7SetMetaERKSsS1_': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:176: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:176: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:192: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:193: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TVariableData.o): In function `_ZN13TVariableData12RetrieveMetaERKSs': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:391: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:391: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:400: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:400: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TVariableData.o): In function `_ZN13TVariableData9OutputXMLEP11TXMLAdapterRKP8_xmlNodeRSt3mapISsSsSt4lessI SsESaISt4pairIKSsSsEEE': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:407: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:407: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:414: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:415: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:581: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:581: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TVariableData.o): In function `_ZN13TVariableData9OutputTXTERKSsRSt3mapISsSsSt4lessISsESaISt4pairIS0_SsEEE ': /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:603: undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:603: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:649: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/TVariableData.cpp:649: undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /home/LiamO/Src/cvsdude/trunk/src/lib/libXML.a(TVariableData.o): In function `_ZNKSt8_Rb_treeISsSt4pairIKSsSsESt10_Select1stIS2_ESt4lessISsESaIS2_EE4size Ev': /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_tree.h:(.text$_ZStplI cSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEESbIT_T0_T1_ERKS6_PKS3_[std::basic_string, std::allocator > std::operator+, std::allocator >(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, char const*)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_tree.h:(.text$_ZStplI cSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEESbIT_T0_T1_ERKS6_PKS3_[std::basic_string, std::allocator > std::operator+, std::allocator >(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, char const*)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_tree.h:(.text$_ZStplI cSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEESbIT_T0_T1_ERKS6_PKS3_[std::basic_string, std::allocator > std::operator+, std::allocator >(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, char const*)]+0x9e): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_tree.h:(.text$_ZStplI cSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEESbIT_T0_T1_ERKS6_PKS3_[std::basic_string, std::allocator > std::operator+, std::allocator >(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, char const*)]+0xa9): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_tree.h:(.text$_ZStplI cSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEESbIT_T0_T1_ERKS6_S8_[std::basic_string, std::allocator > std::operator+, std::allocator >(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0xc): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_tree.h:(.text$_ZStplI cSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEESbIT_T0_T1_ERKS6_S8_[std::basic_string, std::allocator > std::operator+, std::allocator >(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0x31): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Register' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_tree.h:(.text$_ZStplI cSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEESbIT_T0_T1_ERKS6_S8_[std::basic_string, std::allocator > std::operator+, std::allocator >(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0x9e): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Resume' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_tree.h:(.text$_ZStplI cSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEESbIT_T0_T1_ERKS6_S8_[std::basic_string, std::allocator > std::operator+, std::allocator >(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)]+0xa9): undefined reference to `__Unwind_SjLj_Unregister' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/include/c++/bits/stl_tree.h:(.text$_ZNSt6v ectorIdSaIdEE13_M_insert_auxEN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIPdS1_EERKd[std:: vector >::_M_insert_aux(__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator > >, double const&)]+0xf): undefined reference to `___gxx_personality_sj0' 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________________________________________ From: obrien_liam at hotmail.com To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:06:06 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] install error - aco.exe error Hello all, I recently checked out the development branch and tried to install it.? (I am using cygwin, gcc v. 3.4.4).? Part-way though installation, I got the following message (after a lot of jargon): " make[1]: *** [aco.exe] error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/LiamO/Scr/csvdude/development_branch/scr/esruaco' make: *** [aco] Error 2 -------------- Install: Fatal error. Executable aco could not be built! Installation aborted. " Any thoughts?? Thanks. Liam O'Brien ________________________________________ Click less, mail more: Hotmail on the new MSN homepage! ________________________________________ Click less, mail more: Hotmail on the new MSN homepage! From gialloneroverde at gmail.com Thu Sep 24 09:34:53 2009 From: gialloneroverde at gmail.com (giulio benincasa) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:34:53 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Performance - LEED Message-ID: <67666d10909240134u66cd2178rb381db6d035c40fc@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, ESP-r has the capability of performing the following requirement of ASHRAE 90.1 2004: - a minimum capacity of 1,400 hours per year; - hourly variations in occupancy; lighting power; miscellaneous equipment power; - thermostat set points; and have system operation, that can defined separately for each day of the week and holidays; - thermal mass effects; - ten or more thermal zones; - part-load performance curves for mechanical equipment used in the system; - capacity and efficiency correction curves for mechanical heating and cooling equipment; - air-side and water-side economizers with integrated control; I think so, is it true ? 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It should be possible to extend zone controls to include performance curve data to aide in reporting. * capacity and efficiency correction curves for mechanical heating and cooling equipment; *** in general no, systems are explicit rather than represented by curves. post-processing might be possible to approximate this. * air-side and water-side economizers with integrated control; *** via the use of explicit systems and controls and flow networks One of the issues with LEED is the need for parasitic electrical use for fans and pumps and the current flow network and zone controls do not represent parasitics. Electrical power simulation tends to be a step to far for most ESP-r users. Canadian groups do support (for their own purposes) much of the information needed for LEED but few outside of these groups know how to 'work the magic'. ESRU has embedded quite a bit of what might be useful for LEED within the context of the European Building Directive facilities - but mostly the arbitrary requirements of such codes are difficult to generalize. A recent graduate of Strathclyde had a PhD on issues related to simulation support for regulations compliance who will hopefully join in and provide further details and correct any errors in the above *** items. -Jon Hand From cheard at prodigy.net.mx Thu Sep 24 23:42:28 2009 From: cheard at prodigy.net.mx (Christopher Heard) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:42:28 -0500 Subject: [esp-r] Corrections to examples in the USB based version for Windows Message-ID: On opening the example model: a simple > l ... with convective heating & PID control messages about not finding various database files are displayed to correct this situation one must edit the file: L:\ESRU\esp-r\training\pid\cfg\pid.cfg as commented in the installation instructions. from * DATABASES *prm C:/ESRU/esp-r/databases/material.db3.a *mlc C:/ESRU/esp-r/databases/multicon.db2 *opt C:/ESRU/esp-r/databases/optics.db2 *prs C:/ESRU/esp-r/databases/pressc.db1 *evn C:/ESRU/esp-r/databases/profiles.db1 *clm C:/ESRU/esp-r/climate/clm67 *pdb C:/ESRU/esp-r/databases/plantc.db1 to * DATABASES *prm L:/ESRU/esp-r/databases/material.db3.a *mlc L:/ESRU/esp-r/databases/multicon.db2 *opt L:/ESRU/esp-r/databases/optics.db2 *prs L:/ESRU/esp-r/databases/pressc.db1 *evn L:/ESRU/esp-r/databases/profiles.db1 *clm L:/ESRU/esp-r/climate/clm67 *pdb L:/ESRU/esp-r/databases/plantc.db1 However this is not enough - at this stage you will still get an error message about the plant database file. (At least I did) Editing the following file appears to correct this error: L:\ESRU\esp-r\training\pid\networks\pid.pnf from # Plant component data base: /usr/esru/esp-r/databases/plantc.db1 to # Plant component data base: L:/esru/esp-r/databases/plantc.db1 I hope this is useful. There are probably other similar loose ends in the example files and I will try and check through them. Christopher Heard From esim at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca Fri Sep 25 20:01:59 2009 From: esim at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca (ES.SE ESim) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:01:59 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] eSim 2010 Call for Abstracts Message-ID: REMINDER - Deadline is October 1st, 2009. (Apologies for cross postings) Call for Abstracts IBPSA-Canada's biennial conference, eSim, brings together professionals, academics and students interested in building performance simulation issues and applications. The 2010 conference is hosted by Manitoba Hydro, in collaboration with the National Research Council of Canada. It will be held in Winnipeg, Canada on May 19 and 20, 2010 (pre-conference and post-conference workshops on May 18 and 21, 2010). Only original papers related to the conference topics and not published elsewhere will be accepted. All accepted papers accompanied by a conference registration will be published in the conference proceedings, and presented at the conference in parallel oral sessions. In the event submissions exceed the conference presentation quota, poster sessions will be held to accommodate additional papers. Each registration entitles the author to submit a single paper/poster. One additional paper/poster per registration is allowed against a special fee. The themes of the conference are: * Recent developments for modelling the physical processes relevant to buildings (thermal, air flow, moisture, lighting). * Algorithms for modelling conventional and innovative HVAC systems. * Methods for modelling the whole-building performance, including integrated resource management, renewable energy sources and combined heat, cool and power generation. * Building simulation software development and quality control approaches. * Use of building simulation tools in code compliance and incentive programmes. * Moving simulation into practice. Case studies of innovative simulation approaches. * Validation of building simulation software. * User interface and software interoperability issues. * Architectural and engineering data visualization and animation. * Optimization approaches in building design. The deadline for abstracts is: October 1, 2009. The abstract must be in plain text and be a maximum of 500 words. eSim 2010 is a bilingual conference and abstracts, papers and presentations will be accepted in either English or French. Please submit abstracts to the eSim 2010 web site at: http://www.esim.ca At least two reviewers will be assigned by the Scientific Executive Committee to examine each abstract in a double-blind review process. Corresponding authors will be informed of the abstract review results by October 29th, 2009. Conference Chair: Devin Evenson, Manitoba Hydro, devenson at hydro.mb.ca Chair of the Scientific Committee: Dr. Iain A Macdonald, National Research Council Canada, iain.macdonald at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090925/5fa3f73a/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Only original papers related to the conference topics and not published elsewhere will be accepted. All accepted papers accompanied by a conference registration will be published in the conference proceedings, and presented at the conference in parallel oral sessions. In the event submissions exceed the conference presentation quota, poster sessions will be held to accommodate additional papers. Each registration entitles the author to submit a single paper/poster. One additional paper/poster per registration is allowed against a special fee. The themes of the conference are: * Recent developments for modelling the physical processes relevant to buildings (thermal, air flow, moisture, lighting). * Algorithms for modelling conventional and innovative HVAC systems. * Methods for modelling the whole-building performance, including integrated resource management, renewable energy sources and combined heat, cool and power generation. * Building simulation software development and quality control approaches. * Use of building simulation tools in code compliance and incentive programmes. * Moving simulation into practice. Case studies of innovative simulation approaches. * Validation of building simulation software. * User interface and software interoperability issues. * Architectural and engineering data visualization and animation. * Optimization approaches in building design. The deadline for abstracts is: October 1, 2009. The abstract must be in plain text and be a maximum of 500 words. eSim 2010 is a bilingual conference and abstracts, papers and presentations will be accepted in either English or French. Please submit abstracts to the eSim 2010 web site at: http://www.esim.ca At least two reviewers will be assigned by the Scientific Executive Committee to examine each abstract in a double-blind review process. Corresponding authors will be informed of the abstract review results by October 29th, 2009. Conference Chair: Devin Evenson, Manitoba Hydro, devenson at hydro.mb.ca Chair of the Scientific Committee: Dr. Iain A Macdonald, National Research Council Canada, iain.macdonald at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090928/664d31a7/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <151248584612452206462856966839369896228-Webmail@me.com> References: <151248584612452206462856966839369896228-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <000301ca40e1$7e9147b0$7bb3d710$@geissler@intergga.ch> Dear Koji in the Tokyo EPW file there are ground temperatures included, as far as I am aware. Line 4 of this file is "ground temperatures". This list includes monthly mean ground temperatures in depths of 0.5 m, 2 m and 4 m. Regards Achim -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ???? Sent: Dienstag, 29. September 2009 02:44 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Underground temperature? Hello. I am evaluating the housing complex by the format to which the climatic data of Tokyo is provided, and using ESP-r. An underground temperature is not included in meteorogical data. Please teach an underground temperature by which method to calculate in ESP-r. ----- Name : Koji Takemasa?Dr. Eng.? E-mail : koji_takemasa at mac.com _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Sep 29 10:55:11 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:55:11 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Underground temperature? In-Reply-To: <151248584612452206462856966839369896228-Webmail@me.com> References: <151248584612452206462856966839369896228-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EEC892BF@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A question about ground temperatures... ________________________________________ I am evaluating the housing complex by the format to which the climatic data of Tokyo is provided, and using ESP-r. An underground temperature is not included in meteorogical data. Please teach an underground temperature by which method to calculate in ESP-r. ________________________________________ It is possible in ESP-r to include user-defined monthly ground temperature profiles in a model. A model could have a monthly profile for 1m depth and a different one for 2m depth. The best source would be from measurements or reports in the literature. The second source would be to check if an alternative climate data includes ground temperatures. For example, the EPW files that are used by EnergyPlus (and imported by ESP-r) often include a data line with ground temperatures at various depths. It is up to the user to decide if such data is appropriate for the site. A third option is to use a numerical approach and calculate the ground temperature a various depths based on the outside temperature and the type of ground. There are dozens of published equations in the literature. A simple approach is to equate the ground temperature to the average air temperature 2-3 months earlier e.g. august ground temperature is equal to the june average air temperature. -ESRU From koji_takemasa at me.com Tue Sep 29 10:54:58 2009 From: koji_takemasa at me.com (=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCSXBALxsoQiAbJEI5JzwjGyhC?=) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:54:58 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Underground temperature? Message-ID: <85DF608B-177B-4631-909E-3E96795A2838@me.com> Thank you. The EA climatic data is usually used in Japan for the simulation of the building. I also am using the EA climatic data of Tokyo. The climatic data of this Tokyo decided to be converted into ASCII data, and to use it with ESP-r. Because the climatic data of ASCII form of the specified format can be used for ESP-r. There is no item of an underground temperature in the format. Then, I thought that ESP-r calculated an underground temperature by me. I want to learn the computational method. By the way, the EA meteorogical data has the data of Japan of 840 points. koji_takemasa at me.com?Dr. Eng.? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090929/0c574c76/attachment.html From bob.irving at brookes.ac.uk Tue Sep 29 11:02:05 2009 From: bob.irving at brookes.ac.uk (Bob Irving) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:02:05 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Underground temperature? In-Reply-To: <151248584612452206462856966839369896228-Webmail@me.com> References: <151248584612452206462856966839369896228-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: Underground temperatures below 10m are usually reckoned to be the same as the average yearly air temperature. There is a formula in Labs, K "Underground Building Climate". Solar Age, Vol 4 Part 10, 1979 reproduced in Harris, D J "Ground Temperatures in Britain". International Journal of Ambient Energy, Vol 27, No 3, which relates underground temperature to Mean annual Temperature, depth, time of year in days, amplitude of surface temperature, thermal diffusivity, which gives a sort of sine wave. Also in Jenkins, D. P., Tucker, R., & Rawlings, R. (2009). Modelling the carbon-saving performance of domestic ground-source heat pumps, Energy and Buildings. Bob Irving PhD researcher Oxford Inst of Sustainable Development Oxford Brookes University 01865 484201 01285 650281 On 29 Sep 2009, at 01:44, ???? wrote: > Hello. > > I am evaluating the housing complex by the format to which the > climatic data of Tokyo is provided, > and using ESP-r. > > An underground temperature is not included in meteorogical data. > Please teach an underground temperature > by which method to calculate in ESP-r. > > ----- > Name : Koji Takemasa?Dr. Eng.? > E-mail : koji_takemasa at mac.com > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090929/d5ce2335/attachment.html From nunotaf at netcabo.pt Tue Sep 29 16:06:00 2009 From: nunotaf at netcabo.pt (nunotaf) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:06:00 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] glazing based in Polycarbonate Message-ID: <598C5748FC62864E8D32B4FF7F7A7B8C0155405E@VS63.hdi.tvcabo> hello all, can some one help me defining a glazing based in Polycarbonate conductivity; solar transmitance; visible transmitance; and infra-red information; Thanks in advance, Nuno Fernandes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090929/f0395e29/attachment.html From manzan at units.it Tue Sep 29 20:21:54 2009 From: manzan at units.it (Marco Manzan) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:21:54 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Underground temperature? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200909292121.55261.manzan@units.it> Alle marted? 29 settembre 2009, esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk ha scritto: > Send esp-r mailing list submissions to > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > esp-r-request at lists.strath.ac.uk > > You can reach the person managing the list at > esp-r-owner at lists.strath.ac.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of esp-r digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Underground temperature? (????) > 2. Re: Underground temperature? (Achim Geissler) > 3. Re: Underground temperature? (Jon Hand) > 4. Re: Underground temperature? (?? ??) > 5. Re: Underground temperature? (Bob Irving) > 6. glazing based in Polycarbonate (nunotaf) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 09:44:09 +0900 > From: ???? > Subject: [esp-r] Underground temperature? > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Message-ID: <151248584612452206462856966839369896228-Webmail at me.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP > > Hello. > > I am evaluating the housing complex by the format to which the climatic > data of Tokyo is provided, and using ESP-r. > > An underground temperature is not included in meteorogical data. Please > teach an underground temperature by which method to calculate in ESP-r. > > ----- > Name : Koji Takemasa?Dr. Eng.? > E-mail : koji_takemasa at mac.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:47:35 +0200 > From: "Achim Geissler" > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Underground temperature? > To: '????' , > Message-ID: <000301ca40e1$7e9147b0$7bb3d710$@geissler at intergga.ch> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" > > Dear Koji > > in the Tokyo EPW file there are ground temperatures included, as far as I > am aware. Line 4 of this file is "ground temperatures". This list includes > monthly mean ground temperatures in depths of 0.5 m, 2 m and 4 m. > > Regards > Achim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ???? > Sent: Dienstag, 29. September 2009 02:44 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] Underground temperature? > > Hello. > > I am evaluating the housing complex by the format to which the climatic > data of Tokyo is provided, > and using ESP-r. > > An underground temperature is not included in meteorogical data. Please > teach an underground temperature > by which method to calculate in ESP-r. > > ----- > Name : Koji Takemasa?Dr. Eng.? > E-mail : koji_takemasa at mac.com > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:55:11 +0100 > From: Jon Hand > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Underground temperature? > To: ???? , "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" > > Message-ID: > <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EEC892BF at E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" > > > A question about ground temperatures... > ________________________________________ > > I am evaluating the housing complex by the format to which the climatic > data of Tokyo is provided, and using ESP-r. > > An underground temperature is not included in meteorogical data. Please > teach an underground temperature by which method to calculate in ESP-r. > ________________________________________ > > It is possible in ESP-r to include user-defined monthly ground temperature > profiles in a model. A model could have a monthly profile for 1m depth > and a different one for 2m depth. The best source would be from > measurements or reports in the literature. > > The second source would be to check if an alternative climate data includes > ground temperatures. For example, the EPW files that are used by > EnergyPlus (and imported by ESP-r) often include a data line with ground > temperatures at various depths. It is up to the user to decide if such > data is appropriate for the site. > > A third option is to use a numerical approach and calculate the ground > temperature a various depths based on the outside temperature and the type > of ground. There are dozens of published equations in the literature. > > A simple approach is to equate the ground temperature to the average > air temperature 2-3 months earlier e.g. august ground temperature is equal > to the june average air temperature. > > -ESRU > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:54:58 +0900 > From: ?? ?? > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Underground temperature? > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Message-ID: <85DF608B-177B-4631-909E-3E96795A2838 at me.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" > > Thank you. > > The EA climatic data is usually used in Japan for the simulation of > the building. I also am using the EA climatic data of Tokyo. > The climatic data of this Tokyo decided to be converted into ASCII > data, and to use it with ESP-r. > > Because the climatic data of ASCII form of the specified format can be > used for ESP-r. There is no item of an underground > temperature in the format. Then, I thought that ESP-r calculated an > underground temperature by me. > > I want to learn the computational method. > > By the way, the EA meteorogical data has the data of Japan of 840 > points. > > koji_takemasa at me.com?Dr. Eng.? > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090929/0c574c76/atta >chment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:02:05 +0100 > From: Bob Irving > Subject: [esp-r] Re: Underground temperature? > Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" > > Underground temperatures below 10m are usually reckoned to be the same > as the average yearly air temperature. > > There is a formula in Labs, K "Underground Building Climate". Solar > Age, Vol 4 Part 10, 1979 reproduced in Harris, D J "Ground > Temperatures in Britain". International Journal of Ambient Energy, Vol > 27, No 3, which relates underground temperature to Mean annual > Temperature, depth, time of year in days, amplitude of surface > temperature, thermal diffusivity, which gives a sort of sine wave. > Also in Jenkins, D. P., Tucker, R., & Rawlings, R. (2009). Modelling > the carbon-saving performance of domestic ground-source heat pumps, > Energy and Buildings. > > > Bob Irving > PhD researcher > Oxford Inst of Sustainable Development > Oxford Brookes University > > 01865 484201 > 01285 650281 > > On 29 Sep 2009, at 01:44, ???? wrote: > > Hello. > > > > I am evaluating the housing complex by the format to which the > > climatic data of Tokyo is provided, > > and using ESP-r. > > > > An underground temperature is not included in meteorogical data. > > Please teach an underground temperature > > by which method to calculate in ESP-r. > > > > ----- > > Name : Koji Takemasa?Dr. Eng.? > > E-mail : koji_takemasa at mac.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > esp-r mailing list > > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > The epw format includes underground temperatures, but these are not to be used in buildng simulation codes as clearly stated in the file .stat that comes with the epw file, since these are undisturbed ground temperatures. Esp-r can cope with the problem of basements using the BASESIMP method, how is implemented and how to use it in ESP-r is explained in files BASESIMP_configurations.pdf, BASESIMP_theory.pdf, BASESIMP_vs_NN.pdf available on esru site. best regards Marco -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria Navale, del Mare e per l'Ambiente | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Tue Sep 29 22:22:52 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:22:52 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Underground temperature? In-Reply-To: <200909292121.55261.manzan@units.it> References: <200909292121.55261.manzan@units.it> Message-ID: <4FBCD04B-5DC3-4CC2-A017-02CE0015C1FA@intergga.ch> Dear Marco apart from asking you to kindly cut all the includes in front of your actual messages, thanks for the input. That is an interesting one. All climate data is per def "undisturbed", as measurement sites are typically positioned comparatively "free field", no? Regards Achim > > The epw format includes underground temperatures, but these are not > to be used > in buildng simulation codes as clearly stated in the file .stat that > comes > with the epw file, since these are undisturbed ground temperatures. > Esp-r can cope with the problem of basements using the BASESIMP > method, how is > implemented and how to use it in ESP-r is explained in files > BASESIMP_configurations.pdf, BASESIMP_theory.pdf, BASESIMP_vs_NN.pdf > available on esru site. > > best regards > > Marco > -- achim.geissler at intergga.ch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090929/d7ff05f6/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Wed Sep 30 08:22:08 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 09:22:08 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Underground temperature? In-Reply-To: <200909300905.46016.manzan@units.it> References: <200909292121.55261.manzan@units.it> <4FBCD04B-5DC3-4CC2-A017-02CE0015C1FA@intergga.ch> <200909300905.46016.manzan@units.it> Message-ID: <000f01ca419e$b93c85b0$2bb59110$@geissler@intergga.ch> Dear Marco thank you for the information. That is how I also understand the climate data is generated (actually, for Germany, it is usually a mix of measurements over many years and some "statistically generated" data). But, air temperatures etc. then also do not take any buildings (or cities, dens construction sites etc.) into account. So we have the same issue here. I would assume that any model using ground temperatures should in some way take this into account. The data can only be for "uninfluenced ground", because the data cannot (should not) include any building influence as this will depend on how deep the building reaches and how well it is thermally insulated from the ground (among other things). The "stat" file says "do not use for 'GroundTemperatures object'" but also says - The temperatures for 0.5 m depth can be used for GroundTemperatures:Surface. - The temperatures for 4.0 m depth can be used for GroundTemperatures:Deep. which seems to refer to a specific calculation model / procedure. Just my 5 cents . Best regards Achim -----Original Message----- From: Marco Manzan [mailto:manzan at units.it] Sent: Mittwoch, 30. September 2009 09:06 To: Achim Geissler Subject: Re: [esp-r] Re: Underground temperature? I know as the climatic data for italian sites, that form the IGDG database, have been collected. The data is obtained averaging over a period of about 20 years air force measurements on airfields on a number of sites. I think ground temperatures are obtained using a conduction model for the soil and are not measured. The conduction model clearly does not take into account the presence of buildings, so the obtained temperatures are valid only for free field problems, perhaps they can be used to assess the risk of freezing for underground piping. An alternative method for dealing with basement losses is to use the method included in ANNEX D of standard ISO EN 13770. Furthermore I know that esp-r can deal with basement losses solving a 3d control volume for the ground, I never used it and I think it is among the "hidden" and undocumented features of esp-r. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20090930/688082ad/attachment.html From koji_takemasa at me.com Wed Sep 30 04:36:00 2009 From: koji_takemasa at me.com (=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCSXBALzknPCMbKEI=?=) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:36:00 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Underground temperature? Message-ID: <129603679684885044752429003282001394147-Webmail@me.com> Thank you. The procedure that I took is shown. (1)The data of Tokyo was made from the EA climatic data by the following formats. An underground temperature is not included in the following formats. (From ESP-r FAQ) *CLIMATE # ascii climate file from kew64 binary db, # defined in: kew64.asc # col 1: Diffuse solar on the horizontal (W/m**2) # col 2: External dry bulb temperature (Tenths DEG.C) # col 3: Direct normal solar intensity (W/m**2) # col 4: Prevailing wind speed (Tenths m/s) # col 5: Wind direction (clockwise deg from north) # col 6: Relative humidity (Percent) kew # site name 1964 51.50 0.30 0 # year, latitude, long diff, rad flag 1 365 # period (julian days) * day 1 month 1 0 49 0 30 230 81 0 48 0 25 230 81 0 47 0 30 230 82 0 43 0 25 230 82 etc (2)I made the file by using the clm command. In this case, may I judge the average temperature during year for an underground temperature to be used as an underground temperature? The data of Tokyo of EnergyPlus is data of Hyakuri in Ibaraki Prefecture, and the average temperature in January lowers with Tokyo at several ?. The reason why I want to learn the computational method of an underground temperature is that the temperature in the below the floor level in the building seems to be a little low. If the normal temperature during year is equal to an underground temperature, it is possible to understand. ----- Name : Koji Takemasa?Dr. Eng.? E-mail : koji_takemasa at mac.com From clodoaldo_carvalho at yahoo.com.br Thu Oct 1 20:55:51 2009 From: clodoaldo_carvalho at yahoo.com.br (Clodoaldo de Oliveira Carvalho) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [esp-r] Problems running validation sets on esp-r Message-ID: <998664.17057.qm@web53008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dear ESP-r users, I am experiencing problems running validation sets on ESP-r 11.7. After running the 960 (high mass sensitivity) validation set of the ASHRAE 140 for the first time, ESP-r returns the following: Selected tests from group High mass basic sensitivity tests 900-600 Test: High mass basic sensitivity tests - 900-600 Error opening results data file; returning to main menu. Output description Simulation Range Minimum Maximum Previous result check bound bound result* delta Annual_heating -4377. outside -3837. -3126. -3126. delta Annual_cooling 6874. outside 3833. 4624. 4005. delta Peak_heating -3.688 outside -0.5870 -0.4140 -0.5870 delta Peak_cooling 6.531 outside 2.810 3.355 3.306 *previous results from: ESP_1993 -------------------------------------------- The simulation results are outside the ranges and are worse than the previous results form ESP_1993. If I try to run the same validation set again or any other set, ESP returns the following in the terminal: closing export file: /tmp/900.dat Generating specified output(s)...done. Error opening results data file; returning to main menu. I've compiled ESP-r with gcc-3.4.6, gcc-4.1.2 and gcc-4.3 on Ubuntu 9.04 and the problem still persists. Any help would be appreciated. Clodoaldo de O. Carvalho Filho -- Professor Federal University of Cear? Dept. of Mechanical Engineering 60455760 Fortaleza-CE Phone: +55+85+33669635 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Veja quais s?o os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091001/a93cbaa4/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Oct 2 11:23:23 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:23:23 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Problems running validation sets on esp-r In-Reply-To: <998664.17057.qm@web53008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <998664.17057.qm@web53008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EEC892D3@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> I am currently running "All the tests" in the BESTEST suite and thus far what I have noticed is that model 960 is complaining about an issue in a control file. (This is with a cutting edge version of ESP-r rather than the standard version). One issue is that the process places files in the /tmp folder. If your available disk space is limited then the process could easily fail. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Clodoaldo de Oliveira Carvalho [clodoaldo_carvalho at yahoo.com.br] Sent: 01 October 2009 20:55 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Problems running validation sets on esp-r Dear ESP-r users, I am experiencing problems running validation sets on ESP-r 11.7. After running the 960 (high mass sensitivity) validation set of the ASHRAE 140 for the first time, ESP-r returns the following: Selected tests from group High mass basic sensitivity tests 900-600 Test: High mass basic sensitivity tests - 900-600 Error opening results data file; returning to main menu. Output description Simulation Range Minimum Maximum Previous result check bound bound result* delta Annual_heating -4377. outside -3837. -3126. -3126. delta Annual_cooling 6874. outside 3833. 4624. 4005. delta Peak_heating -3.688 outside -0.5870 -0.4140 -0.5870 delta Peak_cooling 6.531 outside 2.810 3.355 3.306 *previous results from: ESP_1993 -------------------------------------------- The simulation results are outside the ranges and are worse than the previous results form ESP_1993. If I try to run the same validation set again or any other set, ESP returns the following in the terminal: closing export file: /tmp/900.dat Generating specified output(s)...done. Error opening results data file; returning to main menu. I've compiled ESP-r with gcc-3.4.6, gcc-4.1.2 and gcc-4.3 on Ubuntu 9.04 and the problem still persists. Any help would be appreciated. Clodoaldo de O. Carvalho Filho -- Professor Federal University of Cear? Dept. of Mechanical Engineering 60455760 Fortaleza-CE Phone: +55+85+33669635 ________________________________ Veja quais s?o os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! + Buscados: Top 10 - Celebridades - M?sica - Esportes From clodoaldo_carvalho at yahoo.com.br Fri Oct 2 12:40:58 2009 From: clodoaldo_carvalho at yahoo.com.br (Clodoaldo de Oliveira Carvalho) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 04:40:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [esp-r] Res: Problems running validation sets on esp-r In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EEC892D3@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <998664.17057.qm@web53008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EEC892D3@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <388212.24836.qm@web53004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dear Jon Thanks for your answer. I checked the partition where /tmp is placed and it has 21 Gb of free space. I noticed that such problem begins after running any validation set for the first time. So I have to restart ESP-r 11.7 again to run another set. I am still concerned about the differences between the current simulation results and the previous ones from ESP_1993 (they 're also found for other ASHRAE 140 validation sets and partially for CEN/ISO ones). Did you observe any difference between the results of your tests and those from ESP_1993? I am afraid there is some compilation issue I am missing, any hint? Clodoaldo. ________________________________ De: Jon Hand Para: Clodoaldo de Oliveira Carvalho ; "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 2 de Outubro de 2009 7:23:23 Assunto: RE: [esp-r] Problems running validation sets on esp-r I am currently running "All the tests" in the BESTEST suite and thus far what I have noticed is that model 960 is complaining about an issue in a control file. (This is with a cutting edge version of ESP-r rather than the standard version). One issue is that the process places files in the /tmp folder. If your available disk space is limited then the process could easily fail. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Clodoaldo de Oliveira Carvalho [clodoaldo_carvalho at yahoo.com.br] Sent: 01 October 2009 20:55 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Problems running validation sets on esp-r Dear ESP-r users, I am experiencing problems running validation sets on ESP-r 11.7. After running the 960 (high mass sensitivity) validation set of the ASHRAE 140 for the first time, ESP-r returns the following: Selected tests from group High mass basic sensitivity tests 900-600 Test: High mass basic sensitivity tests - 900-600 Error opening results data file; returning to main menu. Output description Simulation Range Minimum Maximum Previous result check bound bound result* delta Annual_heating -4377. outside -3837. -3126. -3126. delta Annual_cooling 6874. outside 3833. 4624. 4005. delta Peak_heating -3.688 outside -0.5870 -0.4140 -0.5870 delta Peak_cooling 6.531 outside 2.810 3.355 3.306 *previous results from: ESP_1993 -------------------------------------------- The simulation results are outside the ranges and are worse than the previous results form ESP_1993. If I try to run the same validation set again or any other set, ESP returns the following in the terminal: closing export file: /tmp/900.dat Generating specified output(s)...done. Error opening results data file; returning to main menu. I've compiled ESP-r with gcc-3.4.6, gcc-4.1.2 and gcc-4.3 on Ubuntu 9.04 and the problem still persists. Any help would be appreciated. Clodoaldo de O. Carvalho Filho -- Professor Federal University of Cear? Dept. of Mechanical Engineering 60455760 Fortaleza-CE Phone: +55+85+33669635 ________________________________ Vejaquaiss?oosassuntos do momento no Yahoo! + Buscados: Top 10 - Celebridades - M?sica - Esportes ____________________________________________________________________________________ Veja quais s?o os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091002/1de354a8/attachment.html From j.hensen at tue.nl Fri Oct 2 14:35:09 2009 From: j.hensen at tue.nl (Hensen, J.L.M.) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:35:09 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] PhD position: building energy and lighting simulation Message-ID: Dear all, I would appreciate it very much if you could point potential candidates to our fully funded PhD position in building energy and lighting simulation - see http://vacatures-v2.tue.nl/Vacature.aspx?Vacaturenummer=V38.555&Taal=English Regards, Jan prof. dr. ir. Jan L.M. Hensen | www.bwk.tue.nl/bps/hensen | +31 (0)40 247 2988 | Building Physics & Systems | Eindhoven University of Technology | P.O. Box 513 - VRT6.18 | 5600 MB EINDHOVEN, Netherlands -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091002/b50a64b8/attachment-0001.html From Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn Fri Oct 2 15:36:19 2009 From: Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn (Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 22:36:19 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Res: Problems running validation sets on esp-r In-Reply-To: <388212.24836.qm@web53004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <998664.17057.qm@web53008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EEC892D3@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk>, <388212.24836.qm@web53004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <076B831E3BD70140B69F1D47DF456F4A0B86A76826@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn> Dear Clodoaldo, Thanks for your email and apologies for my long reply. Here is what happens. a) The 960 models fails because of the control file. It uses the control file of 320 which is a 1 zone model while 960 is a 2 zone model. I am guessing that this was OK in the past but it is not anymore in ESP-r. To solve it, go to the validation folder and copy the 320.ctl file inside the 960 model folder. Then rename it to 960.ctl and at at the last line of the file a 0. i.e. instead of # Function:Zone links 1 make it # Function:Zone links 1,0 At the end, open 960.cfg and rename the control file name to 960.ctl (instead of ../320/320.ctl). Somebody will need to make this change to the development branch. b) Regarding 900-600, it seems that your 900 model is not running. The results that you are reporting are from 600 model and not from 900-600 (i.e. they are not the difference of 900 minus 600). I currently have access only to the Windows version and the validation section is not working in Windows (long paths.. long story) but I can run the models individually with no problems. The results seem reasonable. I manually paste them here: deltaAH: -3197 kWh (inside) deltaAC: 4311 kWh (inside) deltaPH: -0.6334 (outside by a bit) deltaPC: 3.3869 (almost inside) Conclusion from this exercise: check your 900 model. Having said that, from this exercise you will find that there are differences between the results of the current ESP-r and the version of 1993. This is normal because there have been several bug fixes and developments all these years. They will not be large differences and they may be in tests where ESP-r set the lower or upper limits of the BESTEST in 1993. There may be a need for a review of the BESTEST suit and new ranges should be defined. Anyway, you also mentioned CEN tests. What do you mean that you see differences there? These tests are all within the specified by the Standard ranges. They are more prescribed that the BESTEST, with strict ranges and their output does not always mean that the program is accurate (i.e. it is only accurate under the prescribed conditions). Best regards, Georgios ________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Clodoaldo de Oliveira Carvalho [clodoaldo_carvalho at yahoo.com.br] Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 7:40 PM To: Jon Hand Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Res: Problems running validation sets on esp-r Dear Jon Thanks for your answer. I checked the partition where /tmp is placed and it has 21 Gb of free space. I noticed that such problem begins after running any validation set for the first time. So I have to restart ESP-r 11.7 again to run another set. I am still concerned about the differences between the current simulation results and the previous ones from ESP_1993 (they 're also found for other ASHRAE 140 validation sets and partially for CEN/ISO ones). Did you observe any difference between the results of your tests and those from ESP_1993? I am afraid there is some compilation issue I am missing, any hint? Clodoaldo. ________________________________ De: Jon Hand Para: Clodoaldo de Oliveira Carvalho ; "esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk" Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 2 de Outubro de 2009 7:23:23 Assunto: RE: [esp-r] Problems running validation sets on esp-r I am currently running "All the tests" in the BESTEST suite and thus far what I have noticed is that model 960 is complaining about an issue in a control file. (This is with a cutting edge version of ESP-r rather than the standard version). One issue is that the process places files in the /tmp folder. If your available disk space is limited then the process could easily fail. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Clodoaldo de Oliveira Carvalho [clodoaldo_carvalho at yahoo.com.br] Sent: 01 October 2009 20:55 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Problems running validation sets on esp-r Dear ESP-r users, I am experiencing problems running validation sets on ESP-r 11.7. After running the 960 (high mass sensitivity) validation set of the ASHRAE 140 for the first time, ESP-r returns the following: Selected tests from group High mass basic sensitivity tests 900-600 Test: High mass basic sensitivity tests - 900-600 Error opening results data file; returning to main menu. Output description Simulation Range Minimum Maximum Previous result check bound bound result* delta Annual_heating -4377. outside -3837. -3126. -3126. delta Annual_cooling 6874. outside 3833. 4624. 4005. delta Peak_heating -3.688 outside -0.5870 -0.4140 -0.5870 delta Peak_cooling 6.531 outside 2.810 3.355 3.306 *previous results from: ESP_1993 -------------------------------------------- The simulation results are outside the ranges and are worse than the previous results form ESP_1993. If I try to run the same validation set again or any other set, ESP returns the following in the terminal: closing export file: /tmp/900.dat Generating specified output(s)...done. Error opening results data file; returning to main menu. I've compiled ESP-r with gcc-3.4.6, gcc-4.1.2 and gcc-4.3 on Ubuntu 9.04 and the problem still persists. Any help would be appreciated. Clodoaldo de O. Carvalho Filho -- Professor Federal University of Cear? 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I fail to modify material db. Are there any one who experienced similar challenge? FYI, I attached the material db file. If any of you have comment on this, it would be very appreciated. Regards Mark Kim -- Researcher, Integrated Simulation Team, DASS consultants Ltd. 632-9 Guui 1(il)-dong Gwangjin-gu Seoul (143-834 Korea) T. 82.2.913.2585/ F. 82.2.949.2585/ H. www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091006/7a14635a/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: mark.materialdb Type: application/octet-stream Size: 28136 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091006/7a14635a/attachment-0001.obj From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Oct 6 09:39:20 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 09:39:20 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: fail to modify material db In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EEC892DF@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> There are currently a number of revisions to the interaction with the materials databases which are about to go into the development branch. And most of the exemplar models have been recently revised and are about to be updated in the development_branch. This might correct the issue described in the email below. One thing to check - there is a binary version of materials as well as an ASCII version of materials databases. If you look in C:\Esru\esp-r\databases you will see constr.db1 and constr.db1.a as well as constr.db2 and constr.db2.a. Check your model and see if you are using a materials file which ends with an 'a'. If not, use WordPad and edit the model configuration file line which starts with *prm and add a '.a' to the end of the file name. Also check and see if there is a file starting with the name 'fort' in your model folder. If the project manager forgets a file name then it may write the changed data to a so-called fort file (which is actually the materials database). -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? [hwan at dasskorea.com] Sent: 06 October 2009 07:06 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] fail to modify material db Dear all Currently I'm using ESP-r native windows version 11.7(4333). To modify material, construction, and optical db for a certain project, I usually open example model, and copy default dbs, modify them, and save the change, including save the model after changing db. Recently I found that while construction and optical db is well modified and remained as they were modified, there's problem in saving any changes of material db. I tried various approaches such as altering the db path that the path doesn't include ' '(space), or using a new model instead of example model. But the results were same. I fail to modify material db. Are there any one who experienced similar challenge? FYI, I attached the material db file. If any of you have comment on this, it would be very appreciated. Regards Mark Kim -- Researcher, Integrated Simulation Team, DASS consultants Ltd. 632-9 Guui 1(il)-dong Gwangjin-gu Seoul (143-834 Korea) T. 82.2.913.2585/ F. 82.2.949.2585/ H. www.dasskorea.com From hwan at dasskorea.com Wed Oct 7 03:56:51 2009 From: hwan at dasskorea.com (=?EUC-KR?B?sei5zsiv?=) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:56:51 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] Re: fail to modify material db In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EEC892DF@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EEC892DF@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: Thank you very much Jon I found fort.12 file in my cfg folder, and changing material db link to the file(fort.12) seem to work. Regards Mark Kim 2009? 10? 6??? 5:39, Jon Hand ?? ?: > > There are currently a number of revisions to the interaction with the > materials databases > which are about to go into the development branch. And most of the exemplar > models > have been recently revised and are about to be updated in the > development_branch. > > This might correct the issue described in the email below. > > One thing to check - there is a binary version of materials as well as an > ASCII version > of materials databases. If you look in C:\Esru\esp-r\databases you will see > constr.db1 and > constr.db1.a as well as constr.db2 and constr.db2.a. Check your model and > see if > you are using a materials file which ends with an 'a'. If not, use WordPad > and edit the > model configuration file line which starts with *prm and add a '.a' to the > end of the file name. > > Also check and see if there is a file starting with the name 'fort' in your > model folder. > If the project manager forgets a file name then it may write the changed > data to > a so-called fort file (which is actually the materials database). > > -Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of ??? [hwan at dasskorea.com] > Sent: 06 October 2009 07:06 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] fail to modify material db > > Dear all > > Currently I'm using ESP-r native windows version 11.7(4333). > > To modify material, construction, and optical db for a certain project, I > usually open example model, > > and copy default dbs, modify them, and save the change, including save the > model after changing db. > > Recently I found that while construction and optical db is well modified > and remained as they were modified, > > there's problem in saving any changes of material db. > > I tried various approaches such as altering the db path that the path > doesn't include ' '(space), or using a new model > > instead of example model. But the results were same. I fail to modify > material db. > > Are there any one who experienced similar challenge? > > FYI, I attached the material db file. If any of you have comment on this, > it would be very appreciated. > > Regards > > Mark Kim > > -- > Researcher, > Integrated Simulation Team, DASS consultants Ltd. > > 632-9 Guui 1(il)-dong Gwangjin-gu Seoul (143-834 Korea) > T. 82.2.913.2585/ F. 82.2.949.2585/ H. www.dasskorea.com< > http://www.dasskorea.com> > -- Researcher, Integrated Simulation Team, DASS consultants Ltd. 632-9 Guui 1(il)-dong Gwangjin-gu Seoul (143-834 Korea) T. 82.2.913.2585/ F. 82.2.949.2585/ H. www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091007/e82d7f30/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 09:21:06 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 09:21:06 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Recent changes in source distribtion (develoment branch) Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EEC892E7@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> This email is being sent out to the esp-r list because announcements within the developers group currently are not getting to everyone and there have been some recent changes that users may wish to hear about. Also, those of you who like to build from source to take advantage of the changes that have just been introduced will find that the current development branch address has changed. To check out the current development_branch use the command: svn checkout https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/branches/development_branch Below is the summary which you might not have gotten via the regular channels: Summary - Code changes to improve robustness of graphics on 64 bit machines. These changes reduce syntax warnings and users should find fewer crashes. - With change in the default compiler to GCC 4.1+ a number of sensitivities have been reported, particularly in the case of the GTK version of ESP-r. Debug sessions identified a number of array bounds issues as well as string buffer overflows and logic was added to trap these. This should lead to fewer crashes, especially with GTK versions of ESP-r and with GCC 4.1+. - Code tidy was undertaken to removal of unused parameters in subroutine calls, remove references to old include files and consolidate duplicate C functions in the lib folder. This reduces syntax warnings and clarifies the code. Users would not notice these changes. - Code documentation extended and variables made explicit and re-named for clarity in a number of common blocks which have beeen moved into header files. Developers will notice better documentation and less code clutter. Users will not notice. - Consolidated code blocks for dialogs browsing for files for X11 and GTK interface and increase robustness of these dialogs. This reduces code clutter as well as ensuring that these dialogs work consistently for users. - In testing with GCC 4.3 for Native Windows found sensitivity to modules which attempted to write debug information to console. Pass through source commenting out debug statements or directing such statements to application feedback. Developers will find debug statements more clearly identified and users will find some messages are now available in the text feedback of the application rather than hidden in the console and applications are less likely to crash on Native Windows. - Introduced file browsing for model configuration file if the res module cannot locate it. This has been a major confusion for novices and will simplify training workshops. - General upgrade for shading and obstruction entities to support additional obstruction rotations and a generalized six sided obstruction type. Revised data structures to hold all model obstructions in memory (to reduce file input and output frequency). Also moved obstruction data structures into a header file. Eliminated a number of repeated calculations in ISH. Consolidated trace reports. These changes have resulted in a step change in the shading module which should allow for further consolidation in the future. Geometry file format now supports additional types of obstructions and obstruction names can be a bit more verbose. These new data types have also been implemented in the ESP-r META file format. This change will reduce the number of file types needed by models. Added a parameter option for the ish module so it can use existing ASCII shading files rather than recalculate shading. This has been implemented as an option in the Install script with a substantial savings in time to build ESP-r. A number of pre-computed ASCII shading files have been added to the repository so that they can be used and a tester model sloped_obstr added. Developers will find a quicker build cycle and may find it convenient to include the exemplar models and validation models in their development cycle. Users are now able to represent sloped obstructions and tree shapes as well as having faster calculations. - Revised code to reduce the number of times geometry files are scanned, in particular when drawing wireframe views. In general, references to common blocks holding model-wide data structures are being used more often. Users will notice faster re-draws in complex models. - Consolidated a number of existing documents in the archive folder and extended examples and discussion to form a Developer Guide. Original documents have not yet been removed. Some developers have commented that the Guide was useful. - Updated most exemplar models and validation models to the current file formats as well as extended their documentation. Users will find some of these models are easier to understand and some models which were problematic now run correctly. Developers will find removal of clutter in some model folders. - Configuration files now include the name of the so-called special materials database (useful for PV integrated facades and phase change materials) and users can open and edit this file from within the project manager. - Changed default image display to ImageMagic. The earlier assumption of xv did not match the tool set normally found in Unix/Linux. - Updated Install scripts to reflect the new location of the ESP-r repository. This re-enables version reporting. - The tabular listing and/or export facility in the results analysis module can now handle about 20 columns of data within the application text feedback or about 24 columns of data when exporting to file. Regards, Jon Hand From j.hensen at tue.nl Fri Oct 9 17:55:10 2009 From: j.hensen at tue.nl (Hensen, J.L.M.) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 18:55:10 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Postdoc position: building energy and lighting simulation Message-ID: Dear all, I would appreciate it very much if you could point potential candidates to our fully funded postdoc position in building energy and lighting simulation - see http://vacatures-v2.tue.nl/Vacature.aspx?Vacaturenummer=V38%20556&Taal=English Regards, Jan prof. dr. ir. Jan L.M. Hensen | www.bwk.tue.nl/bps/hensen | +31 (0)40 247 2988 | Building Physics & Systems | Eindhoven University of Technology | P.O. Box 513 - VRT6.18 | 5600 MB EINDHOVEN, Netherlands -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091009/8670fff7/attachment.html From mdbusman at wesm.ph Mon Oct 12 04:52:12 2009 From: mdbusman at wesm.ph (Michael Dan B. Usman) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:52:12 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] Control and output of hvac Message-ID: <769816CA134B044B8E32CDC61489B4D371FD7C@moappsvr5.wesm.ph> Hello, Just want to ask a few questions... 1. Can I control the hvac using a controller I design so I can do iterations? 2. How do I call the simulator and access the data? 3. How do I interface with the simulator if I were to design my own controller? 4. How can I access results for each iteration per time step (Temp of zone, flux of zone, ambient temp, solar radiation, etc.) Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If any of you experienced similar challenge, a piece of advice will be greatly appreciated. For your reference, I attach 2files (tmc and optical db) Regards Mark Kim -- Researcher, Integrated Simulation Team, DASS consultants Ltd. 632-9 Guui 1(il)-dong Gwangjin-gu Seoul (143-834 Korea) T. 82.2.913.2585/ F. 82.2.949.2585/ H. www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091014/3119d3cd/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: mark.opticdb Type: application/octet-stream Size: 23044 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091014/3119d3cd/attachment-0002.obj -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Oktober 2009 07:41 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] problem in reading optical db Dear all users I recently encountered error message 'Please check data in:../zones/***.tmc and try the model again!' and 'A problem was encountered reading the Ooptical Properties db, or a property set was not located.' when I try to change transparent composition of zone. then again when I try to update tmc and con files, similar messages appear 'Problem reading data in: 0' and 'A problem was encountered reading the Ooptical Properties db, or a property set was not located.' I opened optical db with 'wordpad' of windows XP. But I couldn't find any problem. Is there any possibility that the data is somehow changed, because I use wordpad? If any of you experienced similar challenge, a piece of advice will be greatly appreciated. For your reference, I attach 2files (tmc and optical db) Regards Mark Kim -- Researcher, Integrated Simulation Team, DASS consultants Ltd. 632-9 Guui 1(il)-dong Gwangjin-gu Seoul (143-834 Korea) T. 82.2.913.2585/ F. 82.2.949.2585/ H. www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091014/85cb5cc4/attachment.html From hwan at dasskorea.com Wed Oct 14 07:17:37 2009 From: hwan at dasskorea.com (=?EUC-KR?B?sei5zsiv?=) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:17:37 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] Re: problem in reading optical db In-Reply-To: <7583386831944084458@unknownmsgid> References: <7583386831944084458@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Sorry I forgot to tell you the version I'm using. I'm using native windows version 11.7 (4333) on windows XP. Regards Mark Kim 2009/10/14 Achim Geissler > Dear Mark > > > > what system are you using ESP-r on? The files have ?Windows? end-of-lines. > If you are using Cygwin, this could be the source of the problem. > > > > Regards > > Achim > > > > > > *From:* esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto: > esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *??? > *Sent:* Mittwoch, 14. Oktober 2009 07:41 > *To:* esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > *Subject:* [esp-r] problem in reading optical db > > > > Dear all users > > > > I recently encountered error message > > > > 'Please check data in:../zones/***.tmc and try the model again!' and > > > > 'A problem was encountered reading the Ooptical Properties db, or a > property set was not located.' > > > > when I try to change transparent composition of zone. > > > > then again when I try to update tmc and con files, similar messages appear > > > > 'Problem reading data in: 0' and > > > > 'A problem was encountered reading the Ooptical Properties db, or a > property set was not located.' > > > > I opened optical db with 'wordpad' of windows XP. But I couldn't find any > problem. > > > > Is there any possibility that the data is somehow changed, because I use > wordpad? > > > > If any of you experienced similar challenge, a piece of advice will be > greatly appreciated. > > > > For your reference, I attach 2files (tmc and optical db) > > > > Regards > > > > Mark Kim > > > > > > -- > Researcher, > Integrated Simulation Team, DASS consultants Ltd. > > 632-9 Guui 1(il)-dong Gwangjin-gu Seoul (143-834 Korea) > T. 82.2.913.2585/ F. 82.2.949.2585/ H. www.dasskorea.com > -- Researcher, Integrated Simulation Team, DASS consultants Ltd. 632-9 Guui 1(il)-dong Gwangjin-gu Seoul (143-834 Korea) T. 82.2.913.2585/ F. 82.2.949.2585/ H. www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091014/c98d5d45/attachment.html From hwan at dasskorea.com Wed Oct 14 10:10:04 2009 From: hwan at dasskorea.com (=?EUC-KR?B?sei5zsiv?=) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:10:04 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] Re: problem in reading optical db In-Reply-To: References: <7583386831944084458@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: on top of that dialog window says this message ' In ../zones.***.tmc error reading (glazing layers) EOF sensed.' EOF seems end-of-file, but I couldn't find special things at the end of file. there is just one blank line after last optical data . Regards Mark Kim 2009/10/14 ??? > Sorry I forgot to tell you the version I'm using. > I'm using native windows version 11.7 (4333) on windows XP. > > Regards > > Mark Kim > > 2009/10/14 Achim Geissler > > Dear Mark >> >> >> >> what system are you using ESP-r on? The files have ?Windows? end-of-lines. >> If you are using Cygwin, this could be the source of the problem. >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> Achim >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto: >> esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *??? >> *Sent:* Mittwoch, 14. Oktober 2009 07:41 >> *To:* esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> *Subject:* [esp-r] problem in reading optical db >> >> >> >> Dear all users >> >> >> >> I recently encountered error message >> >> >> >> 'Please check data in:../zones/***.tmc and try the model again!' and >> >> >> >> 'A problem was encountered reading the Ooptical Properties db, or a >> property set was not located.' >> >> >> >> when I try to change transparent composition of zone. >> >> >> >> then again when I try to update tmc and con files, similar messages appear >> >> >> >> 'Problem reading data in: 0' and >> >> >> >> 'A problem was encountered reading the Ooptical Properties db, or a >> property set was not located.' >> >> >> >> I opened optical db with 'wordpad' of windows XP. But I couldn't find any >> problem. >> >> >> >> Is there any possibility that the data is somehow changed, because I use >> wordpad? >> >> >> >> If any of you experienced similar challenge, a piece of advice will be >> greatly appreciated. >> >> >> >> For your reference, I attach 2files (tmc and optical db) >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> Mark Kim >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Researcher, >> Integrated Simulation Team, DASS consultants Ltd. >> >> 632-9 Guui 1(il)-dong Gwangjin-gu Seoul (143-834 Korea) >> T. 82.2.913.2585/ F. 82.2.949.2585/ H. www.dasskorea.com >> > > > > -- > Researcher, > Integrated Simulation Team, DASS consultants Ltd. > > 632-9 Guui 1(il)-dong Gwangjin-gu Seoul (143-834 Korea) > T. 82.2.913.2585/ F. 82.2.949.2585/ H. www.dasskorea.com > -- Researcher, Integrated Simulation Team, DASS consultants Ltd. 632-9 Guui 1(il)-dong Gwangjin-gu Seoul (143-834 Korea) T. 82.2.913.2585/ F. 82.2.949.2585/ H. www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091014/b84f7725/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 11:53:22 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:53:22 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Control and output of hvac In-Reply-To: <769816CA134B044B8E32CDC61489B4D371FD7C@moappsvr5.wesm.ph> References: <769816CA134B044B8E32CDC61489B4D371FD7C@moappsvr5.wesm.ph> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EEC892F9@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> It is possible to take advantage of the open source nature of ESP-r and add in your own controller into the source code and of course, once you are satisfied with the new functions you can share your improvements with others in the ESP-r community. You did not specify whether you wanted to impose a new kind of control for a detailed component in a plant network or whether you wanted to introduce a new ideal zone control. Either option can be implemented within the source code AND you will need to do some background research in order to make the source code changes. First, go to the ESRU web site and the download page for ESP-r and locate the developers guide. This provides a number of hints for working with the source code of ESP-r. You will want to check out the ESP-r source development_barnch using Subversion (the current repository is: https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/branches/develoment_branch) While you are on the web site get a copy of the current ESP-r cookbook and review it. There are also many exemplar models which can be run and you can then use the results analysis module to look at graphs or tables etc. of performance from these models. You second task is to carefully describe in as much detail as possible (in a form that can be emailed) the control which you would like to implement. What does it sense, what does it act on, what logic is releated to the control. Tell us more about the iteration that you think is required. Send that out to the list to see if others might have an intereste in working with you or have advise to offer. It might be possible to make limited changes in an existing controller to do what you want. Spend some time looking at the existing controls in the exemplars as well as the description of controls in the Cookbook. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Michael Dan B. Usman [mdbusman at wesm.ph] Sent: 12 October 2009 04:52 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Control and output of hvac Hello, Just want to ask a few questions... 1. Can I control the hvac using a controller I design so I can do iterations? 2. How do I call the simulator and access the data? 3. How do I interface with the simulator if I were to design my own controller? 4. How can I access results for each iteration per time step (Temp of zone, flux of zone, ambient temp, solar radiation, etc.) Thanks! From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Wed Oct 14 11:54:49 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:54:49 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: problem in reading optical db In-Reply-To: References: <7583386831944084458@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <003601ca4cbc$c1c3fcd0$454bf670$@geissler@intergga.ch> Dear Mark I?m afraid I cannot help you, as I have never used the Windows version. Regards Achim From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r- bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? Sent: Mittwoch, 14. Oktober 2009 11:10 To: Achim Geissler Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: problem in reading optical db on top of that dialog window says this message ' In ../zones.***.tmc error reading (glazing layers) EOF sensed.' EOF seems end-of-file, but I couldn't find special things at the end of file. there is just one blank line after last optical data . Regards Mark Kim 2009/10/14 ??? Sorry I forgot to tell you the version I'm using. I'm using native windows version 11.7 (4333) on windows XP. Regards Mark Kim 2009/10/14 Achim Geissler Dear Mark what system are you using ESP-r on? The files have ?Windows? end-of- lines. If you are using Cygwin, this could be the source of the problem. Regards Achim From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r- bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? Sent: Mittwoch, 14. Oktober 2009 07:41 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] problem in reading optical db Dear all users I recently encountered error message 'Please check data in:../zones/***.tmc and try the model again!' and 'A problem was encountered reading the Ooptical Properties db, or a property set was not located.' when I try to change transparent composition of zone. then again when I try to update tmc and con files, similar messages appear 'Problem reading data in: 0' and 'A problem was encountered reading the Ooptical Properties db, or a property set was not located.' I opened optical db with 'wordpad' of windows XP. But I couldn't find any problem. Is there any possibility that the data is somehow changed, because I use wordpad? If any of you experienced similar challenge, a piece of advice will be greatly appreciated. For your reference, I attach 2files (tmc and optical db) Regards Mark Kim -- Researcher, Integrated Simulation Team, DASS consultants Ltd. 632-9 Guui 1(il)-dong Gwangjin-gu Seoul (143-834 Korea) T. 82.2.913.2585/ F. 82.2.949.2585/ H. www.dasskorea.com -- Researcher, Integrated Simulation Team, DASS consultants Ltd. 632-9 Guui 1(il)-dong Gwangjin-gu Seoul (143-834 Korea) T. 82.2.913.2585/ F. 82.2.949.2585/ H. www.dasskorea.com -- Researcher, Integrated Simulation Team, DASS consultants Ltd. 632-9 Guui 1(il)-dong Gwangjin-gu Seoul (143-834 Korea) T. 82.2.913.2585/ F. 82.2.949.2585/ H. www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091014/c87f31bc/attachment-0001.html From mdbusman at wesm.ph Wed Oct 14 18:25:02 2009 From: mdbusman at wesm.ph (Michael Dan B. Usman) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:25:02 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Control and output of hvac References: <769816CA134B044B8E32CDC61489B4D371FD7C@moappsvr5.wesm.ph> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EEC892F9@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <769816CA134B044B8E32CDC61489B4D306C383@moappsvr5.wesm.ph> thanks a lot! i will be looking into what i want. just as what you have raised, i am still unsure of which to control (ideal zone or plant component). i am aware of the result that i want though, to have a feedback system between the zone temperature and the controller. and having such a system, i would like to see how they both interact per iteration before going on to the next time step. a graphical output of the overshoot and how fast the controller settles to the setpoint. the controller i have in mind so far is a self-adjusting PID, that simulates how a human being would adjust the temperature manually. please pardon my lack of knowledge in terms of the HVAC system as i am an electrical engineer. all i get to think about is adjusting the temperature. as i have read in numerous papers, books, from the basic simulations, and exemplars, i may need to pinpoint certain components in the HVAC to have a more robust control system. hope to hear from the list again because surely i will be having a lot more questions. thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Jon Hand [mailto:jon at esru.strath.ac.uk] Sent: Wed 10/14/2009 6:53 PM To: Michael Dan B. Usman; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: [esp-r] Control and output of hvac It is possible to take advantage of the open source nature of ESP-r and add in your own controller into the source code and of course, once you are satisfied with the new functions you can share your improvements with others in the ESP-r community. You did not specify whether you wanted to impose a new kind of control for a detailed component in a plant network or whether you wanted to introduce a new ideal zone control. Either option can be implemented within the source code AND you will need to do some background research in order to make the source code changes. First, go to the ESRU web site and the download page for ESP-r and locate the developers guide. This provides a number of hints for working with the source code of ESP-r. You will want to check out the ESP-r source development_barnch using Subversion (the current repository is: https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/branches/develoment_branch) While you are on the web site get a copy of the current ESP-r cookbook and review it. There are also many exemplar models which can be run and you can then use the results analysis module to look at graphs or tables etc. of performance from these models. You second task is to carefully describe in as much detail as possible (in a form that can be emailed) the control which you would like to implement. What does it sense, what does it act on, what logic is releated to the control. Tell us more about the iteration that you think is required. Send that out to the list to see if others might have an intereste in working with you or have advise to offer. It might be possible to make limited changes in an existing controller to do what you want. Spend some time looking at the existing controls in the exemplars as well as the description of controls in the Cookbook. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Michael Dan B. Usman [mdbusman at wesm.ph] Sent: 12 October 2009 04:52 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Control and output of hvac Hello, Just want to ask a few questions... 1. Can I control the hvac using a controller I design so I can do iterations? 2. How do I call the simulator and access the data? 3. How do I interface with the simulator if I were to design my own controller? 4. How can I access results for each iteration per time step (Temp of zone, flux of zone, ambient temp, solar radiation, etc.) Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091015/a1cf3f3f/attachment.html From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Thu Oct 15 07:01:49 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:01:49 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Control and output of hvac In-Reply-To: <769816CA134B044B8E32CDC61489B4D306C383@moappsvr5.wesm.ph> References: <769816CA134B044B8E32CDC61489B4D371FD7C@moappsvr5.wesm.ph> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EEC892F9@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> <769816CA134B044B8E32CDC61489B4D306C383@moappsvr5.wesm.ph> Message-ID: <000601ca4d5c$fe92e450$fbb8acf0$@geissler@intergga.ch> Dear Michael what you write sounds very interesting. However, one aspect I do not understand. Why do you need below-time-step information, if what you are interested in is a controller that simulates "human adjustment". For good simulation results - especially with a plant included - you will probably need at least 10 time steps per hour (6 min intervals) and can easily go below this ... Best regards Achim From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Michael Dan B. Usman Sent: Mittwoch, 14. Oktober 2009 19:25 To: Jon Hand; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Control and output of hvac thanks a lot! i will be looking into what i want. just as what you have raised, i am still unsure of which to control (ideal zone or plant component). i am aware of the result that i want though, to have a feedback system between the zone temperature and the controller. and having such a system, i would like to see how they both interact per iteration before going on to the next time step. a graphical output of the overshoot and how fast the controller settles to the setpoint. the controller i have in mind so far is a self-adjusting PID, that simulates how a human being would adjust the temperature manually. please pardon my lack of knowledge in terms of the HVAC system as i am an electrical engineer. all i get to think about is adjusting the temperature. as i have read in numerous papers, books, from the basic simulations, and exemplars, i may need to pinpoint certain components in the HVAC to have a more robust control system. hope to hear from the list again because surely i will be having a lot more questions. thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Jon Hand [mailto:jon at esru.strath.ac.uk] Sent: Wed 10/14/2009 6:53 PM To: Michael Dan B. Usman; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: [esp-r] Control and output of hvac It is possible to take advantage of the open source nature of ESP-r and add in your own controller into the source code and of course, once you are satisfied with the new functions you can share your improvements with others in the ESP-r community. You did not specify whether you wanted to impose a new kind of control for a detailed component in a plant network or whether you wanted to introduce a new ideal zone control. Either option can be implemented within the source code AND you will need to do some background research in order to make the source code changes. First, go to the ESRU web site and the download page for ESP-r and locate the developers guide. This provides a number of hints for working with the source code of ESP-r. You will want to check out the ESP-r source development_barnch using Subversion (the current repository is: https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/branches/develoment_branch) While you are on the web site get a copy of the current ESP-r cookbook and review it. There are also many exemplar models which can be run and you can then use the results analysis module to look at graphs or tables etc. of performance from these models. You second task is to carefully describe in as much detail as possible (in a form that can be emailed) the control which you would like to implement. What does it sense, what does it act on, what logic is releated to the control. Tell us more about the iteration that you think is required. Send that out to the list to see if others might have an intereste in working with you or have advise to offer. It might be possible to make limited changes in an existing controller to do what you want. Spend some time looking at the existing controls in the exemplars as well as the description of controls in the Cookbook. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Michael Dan B. Usman [mdbusman at wesm.ph] Sent: 12 October 2009 04:52 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Control and output of hvac Hello, Just want to ask a few questions... 1. Can I control the hvac using a controller I design so I can do iterations? 2. How do I call the simulator and access the data? 3. How do I interface with the simulator if I were to design my own controller? 4. How can I access results for each iteration per time step (Temp of zone, flux of zone, ambient temp, solar radiation, etc.) Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091015/e9f6c598/attachment.html From ptavares at isec.pt Fri Oct 16 11:22:41 2009 From: ptavares at isec.pt (Paulo Filipe de Almeida Ferreira Tavares) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:22:41 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Type of windows and doors Message-ID: <1625FB29959296499A2997A53E23F54201730F9C@mailx.isec.pt> Hi all! In page 42 from the Cookbook (latest version) it says: "A recent addition to ESP-r is the concept that surfaces have a usage attribute (Figure 2.23). Code compliance tasks are assisted if we identify the WINDOW as a code compliant facade. Work is underway to use these usage attributes when exporting ESP-r models. A future version of ESP-r will also make use of an opening type attribute (Figure 2.25) to help form air flow network (currently they are only used for documentation)." My question is what are the differences between the options in Figure 2.23 (usage attributes)? Where i can found more information about this? The help button (?) it is not a help for this case... And i have the same doubt for the door usages... Finally, the opening type attribute is now implemented (i'm using Linux version 11.7)? Or it still used for documentation? Thanks, in advance, for your help. Regards, Paulo Tavares -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091016/ae1bf38c/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 12:20:03 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:20:03 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Type of windows and doors In-Reply-To: <1625FB29959296499A2997A53E23F54201730F9C@mailx.isec.pt> References: <1625FB29959296499A2997A53E23F54201730F9C@mailx.isec.pt> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EEC892FD@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A question about the USAGE attributes of surfaces... Currently the only facility that makes use of the USAGE attributes is for UK code compliance. Others might expand the syntax to make it useful for other code compliance tasks. The creation of air flow networks does NOT currently notice surface USAGE attributes. We plan to do this in the future. Filling in surface attributes could be a way for users to document which surfaces are important in an air flow network they are designing. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Paulo Filipe de Almeida Ferreira Tavares [ptavares at isec.pt] Sent: 16 October 2009 11:22 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Type of windows and doors Hi all! In page 42 from the Cookbook (latest version) it says: "A recent addition to ESP-r is the concept that surfaces have a usage attribute (Figure 2.23). Code compliance tasks are assisted if we identify the WINDOW as a code compliant facade. Work is underway to use these usage attributes when exporting ESP-r models. A future version of ESP-r will also make use of an opening type attribute (Figure 2.25) to help form air flow network (currently they are only used for documentation)." My question is what are the differences between the options in Figure 2.23 (usage attributes)? Where i can found more information about this? The help button (?) it is not a help for this case... And i have the same doubt for the door usages... Finally, the opening type attribute is now implemented (i'm using Linux version 11.7)? Or it still used for documentation? Thanks, in advance, for your help. Regards, Paulo Tavares From D.Costola at tue.nl Mon Oct 19 16:15:37 2009 From: D.Costola at tue.nl (Costola, D.) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:15:37 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Solar transmission through zones Message-ID: Dear all, I would like to know how ESP-r models direct solar radiation that crosses more than one glazed surface, e.g.: - when the sun beam crosses one glazed zone and is absorbed by a second zone, or - when the sun beam enters the zone by one glazed surface and is retransmitted to the outside environment by a second surface in the same zone. Concerning this issue, does it make a difference if insolation is calculated? Regards Daniel C?stola -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091019/0bad1621/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 16:29:19 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:29:19 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Solar transmission through zones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EEC89310@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Almost all simulation tools, including ESP-r, treat direct solar radiation passing between zones as a diffuse source within the 2nd zone. And the solar radiation can also return from the 2nd zone into the first zone as diffuse radiation. It is also a diffuse source in the 2nd zone even if insolation is calculated (and the amount of diffuse will reflect the more accurate calculation of of direct solar radiation within the first room). Many users of ESP-r will calculate insolation patterns in zones even if they have not defined solar obstructions. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Costola, D. [D.Costola at tue.nl] Sent: 19 October 2009 16:15 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Solar transmission through zones Dear all, I would like to know how ESP-r models direct solar radiation that crosses more than one glazed surface, e.g.: - when the sun beam crosses one glazed zone and is absorbed by a second zone, or - when the sun beam enters the zone by one glazed surface and is retransmitted to the outside environment by a second surface in the same zone. Concerning this issue, does it make a difference if insolation is calculated? Regards Daniel C?stola From monika.hall at fhnw.ch Tue Oct 20 07:25:27 2009 From: monika.hall at fhnw.ch (Hall Monika) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:25:27 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Solar transmission through zones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2E69B53CF81E2A43988A841A5B267994950344F1FB@MXAMU12.adm.ds.fhnw.ch> Hi Daniel, you have two things to do, to improve the result: - create zones from outside to inside, p.e. for a double facade: create first the gap and afterwards the room behind the double facade - calculate the insulation in order the radiation hits the zones: first insulatoin for gap, second insulation for room The results of the first zone are the startvalues of the second zone. Regards Monika ________________________________ Von: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] Im Auftrag von Costola, D. Gesendet: Montag, 19. Oktober 2009 17:16 An: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Betreff: [esp-r] Solar transmission through zones Dear all, I would like to know how ESP-r models direct solar radiation that crosses more than one glazed surface, e.g.: - when the sun beam crosses one glazed zone and is absorbed by a second zone, or - when the sun beam enters the zone by one glazed surface and is retransmitted to the outside environment by a second surface in the same zone. Concerning this issue, does it make a difference if insolation is calculated? Regards Daniel C?stola -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091020/b0afc6e6/attachment.html From e.baharvand at student.tue.nl Wed Oct 21 10:04:12 2009 From: e.baharvand at student.tue.nl (Baharvand, E.) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:04:12 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] flow components ESP-r Message-ID: Dear all, I would like to raise the next question about flow components used in air flow network in ESP-r. In my study, where for the use of AFN is required, I need to choose from the flow components types exist in ESP-r database. The list of these components one can find - among other sources - in Clark J.A. " Energy simulations in building design" on page 132 Table 5.4. I'm considering a rectangular (2mx0.25m) cross section area of 11 meter height in which the stack effect is predicted. Considering this application, which flow components can be considered, if: - assuming that there is no flow frictions/resistances in this channel (because I would like to consider the channel as ideal); Beside above, in Clark's book Table 5.4. on page 132: what means the component 'Ideal (frictionless) open' ? Thanks in advance. Kind regards, Ehsan Baharvand From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Oct 21 12:53:09 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:53:09 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: flow components ESP-r In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EEC89318@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A question about flow components: The critical phrase below is 11m height. To get a stack effect many users would use a conduit and provide a hydraulic diameter and some (in your case) small local loss factor and an 11m length. You would make sure you had a bounding wind pressure node at the top of the stack. When linking in the component you would be careful to assign the 'delta heights' so that the bouyancy calculation would know there is a height difference. And many other users would also prefer to create the stack as a thermal zone (so there are real temperatures within the stack) and associate the flow component with the stack zone. Users also may have the opinion that there will be temperature differences within the 11m stack and they will make several thermal zones as well as flow components and link them together. If you go with one or more zones you will then have nodes associated with each of the stack zones and if you wanted to use a simpler opening type as the connecting flow component you could try that out (again making sure that the delta-height values were correct). And you might make some alternative models to try out different approaches and see which one seemed to work better. Currently there is not an exemplar model about stack designs. Perhaps someone in the community has one that they might want to share? -Jon Hand -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Baharvand, E. [e.baharvand at student.tue.nl] Sent: 21 October 2009 10:04 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] flow components ESP-r Dear all, I would like to raise the next question about flow components used in air flow network in ESP-r. In my study, where for the use of AFN is required, I need to choose from the flow components types exist in ESP-r database. The list of these components one can find - among other sources - in Clark J.A. " Energy simulations in building design" on page 132 Table 5.4. I'm considering a rectangular (2mx0.25m) cross section area of 11 meter height in which the stack effect is predicted. Considering this application, which flow components can be considered, if: - assuming that there is no flow frictions/resistances in this channel (because I would like to consider the channel as ideal); Beside above, in Clark's book Table 5.4. on page 132: what means the component 'Ideal (frictionless) open' ? Thanks in advance. Kind regards, Ehsan Baharvand _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Wed Oct 21 13:09:30 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:09:30 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: flow components ESP-r In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EEC89318@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EEC89318@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <001701ca5247$58ee5350$0acaf9f0$@geissler@intergga.ch> In addition to the below, the tester model bld_hc_ISO15099 features a kind of stack, i.e. a bottom and top mixing zone with a one-zone "channel". Regards Achim -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jon Hand Sent: Mittwoch, 21. Oktober 2009 13:53 To: Baharvand, E.; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: flow components ESP-r A question about flow components: The critical phrase below is 11m height. To get a stack effect many users would use a conduit and provide a hydraulic diameter and some (in your case) small local loss factor and an 11m length. You would make sure you had a bounding wind pressure node at the top of the stack. When linking in the component you would be careful to assign the 'delta heights' so that the bouyancy calculation would know there is a height difference. And many other users would also prefer to create the stack as a thermal zone (so there are real temperatures within the stack) and associate the flow component with the stack zone. Users also may have the opinion that there will be temperature differences within the 11m stack and they will make several thermal zones as well as flow components and link them together. If you go with one or more zones you will then have nodes associated with each of the stack zones and if you wanted to use a simpler opening type as the connecting flow component you could try that out (again making sure that the delta-height values were correct). And you might make some alternative models to try out different approaches and see which one seemed to work better. Currently there is not an exemplar model about stack designs. Perhaps someone in the community has one that they might want to share? -Jon Hand -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Baharvand, E. [e.baharvand at student.tue.nl] Sent: 21 October 2009 10:04 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] flow components ESP-r Dear all, I would like to raise the next question about flow components used in air flow network in ESP-r. In my study, where for the use of AFN is required, I need to choose from the flow components types exist in ESP-r database. The list of these components one can find - among other sources - in Clark J.A. " Energy simulations in building design" on page 132 Table 5.4. I'm considering a rectangular (2mx0.25m) cross section area of 11 meter height in which the stack effect is predicted. Considering this application, which flow components can be considered, if: - assuming that there is no flow frictions/resistances in this channel (because I would like to consider the channel as ideal); Beside above, in Clark's book Table 5.4. on page 132: what means the component 'Ideal (frictionless) open' ? Thanks in advance. Kind regards, Ehsan Baharvand _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From e.baharvand at student.tue.nl Wed Oct 21 14:16:51 2009 From: e.baharvand at student.tue.nl (Baharvand, E.) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:16:51 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: flow components ESP-r In-Reply-To: <001701ca5247$58ee5350$0acaf9f0$@geissler@intergga.ch> References: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EEC89318@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk>, <001701ca5247$58ee5350$0acaf9f0$@geissler@intergga.ch> Message-ID: So, can I conclude that it is not possible to define sort of an fictitious flow component, which doesn't influence the flow at all? That I could possibly use the flow conduit (for duct or pipe), I knew already. But my intention is to avoid using the f (for friction) and the C (for distortion) first, and considering the "channel" having no influences (ideal channel) on the fluid flow. The same as - but different implementation - it is done for fictitious constructions for connections between thermal zones. For example, If I choose C and f being zero, than the square root of something infinite become infinite and the equation of general flow conduit will give mathematical errors (see the equation Clark book , second edition, page 132). Thus, I can't either implement a ideal channel by doing so. That a channel is without pressure drops due to friction and distortions is not practically realistic, but the predications of such a approach I would like to use for some validation work (If this appears to be possible!). Kind regards, Ehsan Baharvand ________________________________________ From: Achim Geissler [achim.geissler at intergga.ch] Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 2:09 PM To: Baharvand, E. Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: [esp-r] Re: flow components ESP-r In addition to the below, the tester model bld_hc_ISO15099 features a kind of stack, i.e. a bottom and top mixing zone with a one-zone "channel". Regards Achim -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jon Hand Sent: Mittwoch, 21. Oktober 2009 13:53 To: Baharvand, E.; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: flow components ESP-r A question about flow components: The critical phrase below is 11m height. To get a stack effect many users would use a conduit and provide a hydraulic diameter and some (in your case) small local loss factor and an 11m length. You would make sure you had a bounding wind pressure node at the top of the stack. When linking in the component you would be careful to assign the 'delta heights' so that the bouyancy calculation would know there is a height difference. And many other users would also prefer to create the stack as a thermal zone (so there are real temperatures within the stack) and associate the flow component with the stack zone. Users also may have the opinion that there will be temperature differences within the 11m stack and they will make several thermal zones as well as flow components and link them together. If you go with one or more zones you will then have nodes associated with each of the stack zones and if you wanted to use a simpler opening type as the connecting flow component you could try that out (again making sure that the delta-height values were correct). And you might make some alternative models to try out different approaches and see which one seemed to work better. Currently there is not an exemplar model about stack designs. Perhaps someone in the community has one that they might want to share? -Jon Hand -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Baharvand, E. [e.baharvand at student.tue.nl] Sent: 21 October 2009 10:04 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] flow components ESP-r Dear all, I would like to raise the next question about flow components used in air flow network in ESP-r. In my study, where for the use of AFN is required, I need to choose from the flow components types exist in ESP-r database. The list of these components one can find - among other sources - in Clark J.A. " Energy simulations in building design" on page 132 Table 5.4. I'm considering a rectangular (2mx0.25m) cross section area of 11 meter height in which the stack effect is predicted. Considering this application, which flow components can be considered, if: - assuming that there is no flow frictions/resistances in this channel (because I would like to consider the channel as ideal); Beside above, in Clark's book Table 5.4. on page 132: what means the component 'Ideal (frictionless) open' ? Thanks in advance. Kind regards, Ehsan Baharvand _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Wed Oct 21 14:45:12 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:45:12 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Re: flow components ESP-r In-Reply-To: References: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EEC89318@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk>, <001701ca5247$58ee5350$0acaf9f0$@geissler@intergga.ch> Message-ID: <001e01ca5254$d9ea4560$8dbed020$@geissler@intergga.ch> As far as I am aware, using thermal zones as "channels" does what you ask. There is flow resistance only in the inlet and outlet - depending on what type of opening you choose. Regards Achim -----Original Message----- From: Baharvand, E. [mailto:e.baharvand at student.tue.nl] Sent: Mittwoch, 21. Oktober 2009 15:17 To: Achim Geissler Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: [esp-r] Re: flow components ESP-r So, can I conclude that it is not possible to define sort of an fictitious flow component, which doesn't influence the flow at all? That I could possibly use the flow conduit (for duct or pipe), I knew already. But my intention is to avoid using the f (for friction) and the C (for distortion) first, and considering the "channel" having no influences (ideal channel) on the fluid flow. The same as - but different implementation - it is done for fictitious constructions for connections between thermal zones. For example, If I choose C and f being zero, than the square root of something infinite become infinite and the equation of general flow conduit will give mathematical errors (see the equation Clark book , second edition, page 132). Thus, I can't either implement a ideal channel by doing so. That a channel is without pressure drops due to friction and distortions is not practically realistic, but the predications of such a approach I would like to use for some validation work (If this appears to be possible!). Kind regards, Ehsan Baharvand ________________________________________ From: Achim Geissler [achim.geissler at intergga.ch] Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 2:09 PM To: Baharvand, E. Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: [esp-r] Re: flow components ESP-r In addition to the below, the tester model bld_hc_ISO15099 features a kind of stack, i.e. a bottom and top mixing zone with a one-zone "channel". Regards Achim -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jon Hand Sent: Mittwoch, 21. Oktober 2009 13:53 To: Baharvand, E.; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: flow components ESP-r A question about flow components: The critical phrase below is 11m height. To get a stack effect many users would use a conduit and provide a hydraulic diameter and some (in your case) small local loss factor and an 11m length. You would make sure you had a bounding wind pressure node at the top of the stack. When linking in the component you would be careful to assign the 'delta heights' so that the bouyancy calculation would know there is a height difference. And many other users would also prefer to create the stack as a thermal zone (so there are real temperatures within the stack) and associate the flow component with the stack zone. Users also may have the opinion that there will be temperature differences within the 11m stack and they will make several thermal zones as well as flow components and link them together. If you go with one or more zones you will then have nodes associated with each of the stack zones and if you wanted to use a simpler opening type as the connecting flow component you could try that out (again making sure that the delta-height values were correct). And you might make some alternative models to try out different approaches and see which one seemed to work better. Currently there is not an exemplar model about stack designs. Perhaps someone in the community has one that they might want to share? -Jon Hand -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Baharvand, E. [e.baharvand at student.tue.nl] Sent: 21 October 2009 10:04 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] flow components ESP-r Dear all, I would like to raise the next question about flow components used in air flow network in ESP-r. In my study, where for the use of AFN is required, I need to choose from the flow components types exist in ESP-r database. The list of these components one can find - among other sources - in Clark J.A. " Energy simulations in building design" on page 132 Table 5.4. I'm considering a rectangular (2mx0.25m) cross section area of 11 meter height in which the stack effect is predicted. Considering this application, which flow components can be considered, if: - assuming that there is no flow frictions/resistances in this channel (because I would like to consider the channel as ideal); Beside above, in Clark's book Table 5.4. on page 132: what means the component 'Ideal (frictionless) open' ? Thanks in advance. Kind regards, Ehsan Baharvand _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Wed Oct 21 15:37:25 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:37:25 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: flow components ESP-r In-Reply-To: References: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EEC89318@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk>, <001701ca5247$58ee5350$0acaf9f0$@geissler@intergga.ch>, Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372EEC8931A@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> This has a similarity to researchers who wish to have a solar absorption of unity and an emissivity of zero (which cannot happen in the physical world). And the approach we recommend it to use values which are 0.999 rather than 1.0 and 0.001 rather than 0.0. Even the fictitious material has some density and specific heat ;-) For the flow component there must be a number for the local loss factor which is close to zero but which does not give numerical errors. The same thing will apply to any other current flow component - it should be possible to 'almost' have a fictitious component. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Baharvand, E. [e.baharvand at student.tue.nl] Sent: 21 October 2009 14:16 To: Achim Geissler Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: flow components ESP-r So, can I conclude that it is not possible to define sort of an fictitious flow component, which doesn't influence the flow at all? That I could possibly use the flow conduit (for duct or pipe), I knew already. But my intention is to avoid using the f (for friction) and the C (for distortion) first, and considering the "channel" having no influences (ideal channel) on the fluid flow. The same as - but different implementation - it is done for fictitious constructions for connections between thermal zones. For example, If I choose C and f being zero, than the square root of something infinite become infinite and the equation of general flow conduit will give mathematical errors (see the equation Clark book , second edition, page 132). Thus, I can't either implement a ideal channel by doing so. That a channel is without pressure drops due to friction and distortions is not practically realistic, but the predications of such a approach I would like to use for some validation work (If this appears to be possible!). Kind regards, Ehsan Baharvand ________________________________________ From: Achim Geissler [achim.geissler at intergga.ch] Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 2:09 PM To: Baharvand, E. Cc: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: RE: [esp-r] Re: flow components ESP-r In addition to the below, the tester model bld_hc_ISO15099 features a kind of stack, i.e. a bottom and top mixing zone with a one-zone "channel". Regards Achim -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jon Hand Sent: Mittwoch, 21. Oktober 2009 13:53 To: Baharvand, E.; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: flow components ESP-r A question about flow components: The critical phrase below is 11m height. To get a stack effect many users would use a conduit and provide a hydraulic diameter and some (in your case) small local loss factor and an 11m length. You would make sure you had a bounding wind pressure node at the top of the stack. When linking in the component you would be careful to assign the 'delta heights' so that the bouyancy calculation would know there is a height difference. And many other users would also prefer to create the stack as a thermal zone (so there are real temperatures within the stack) and associate the flow component with the stack zone. Users also may have the opinion that there will be temperature differences within the 11m stack and they will make several thermal zones as well as flow components and link them together. If you go with one or more zones you will then have nodes associated with each of the stack zones and if you wanted to use a simpler opening type as the connecting flow component you could try that out (again making sure that the delta-height values were correct). And you might make some alternative models to try out different approaches and see which one seemed to work better. Currently there is not an exemplar model about stack designs. Perhaps someone in the community has one that they might want to share? -Jon Hand -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Baharvand, E. [e.baharvand at student.tue.nl] Sent: 21 October 2009 10:04 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] flow components ESP-r Dear all, I would like to raise the next question about flow components used in air flow network in ESP-r. In my study, where for the use of AFN is required, I need to choose from the flow components types exist in ESP-r database. The list of these components one can find - among other sources - in Clark J.A. " Energy simulations in building design" on page 132 Table 5.4. I'm considering a rectangular (2mx0.25m) cross section area of 11 meter height in which the stack effect is predicted. Considering this application, which flow components can be considered, if: - assuming that there is no flow frictions/resistances in this channel (because I would like to consider the channel as ideal); Beside above, in Clark's book Table 5.4. on page 132: what means the component 'Ideal (frictionless) open' ? Thanks in advance. Kind regards, Ehsan Baharvand _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From Bartosz.Lomanowski at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca Thu Oct 22 14:41:34 2009 From: Bartosz.Lomanowski at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca (Lomanowski, Bartosz) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:41:34 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Convergence of explicit plant model Message-ID: Hello, A question about explicit plant modeling: I am developing a model with a plant heating system that utilizes a hydronic heat pump. The source side of the heat pump is a closed loop between a heat exchanger and the evaporator node of the heat pump. The load side charges a storage tank. The hydronic heat pump is set up similar to a 2-node fluid-fluid heat exchanger. The closed loop on the source side is proving to be highly unstable. I am using a 1 min time step on the plant side and running the plant solver fully implicit. The solution converges if the flow rates are constant but blows up when the flow rates are toggled by an on/off control. When I combine the heat exchanger with the evaporator on the source node of the heat pump, elminating the closed loop, the solution is very stable. I can then run it with 5 min ts and the default solver implicitness which is a function of the time constant of the components. In this scenario, I have to make a crude assumption as to the heat exchanger efficiency so I would prefer to get the closed loop working. Does anyone have any hints on modeling closed loops in the plant domain? Thanks, Bart NRCan, Canada From cah at byg.dtu.dk Fri Oct 23 12:04:35 2009 From: cah at byg.dtu.dk (Christian Anker Hviid) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:04:35 +0200 Subject: [esp-r] Air flow networks, temperature pick up of internal nodes Message-ID: <78B14BBA2B77DF4186B975430E16648B0D104F@mail3.byg.dtu.dk> A question on air flow networks and internal nodes. I have a network of nodes, some are associated with thermal zones, some are internal (acting as separators between two duct sizes). I think that normally an internal node will track the temperature of the upstream node unless it is set to track the temperature of a specific node. I use the former representation but when I plot the temperature of the internal nodes, the temperature is reset to zero. Am I mistaken? Should I always manually set internal nodes to track upstream nodes? Or should I not worry too much of the temperature of internal nodes as they are represented in a special way? I do not think the Cookbook is completely clear on this subject. Best regards Christian Anker Hviid Industrial PhD candidate DTU Byg Technical University of Denmark Brovej, building 118 DK-2800 Lyngby Phone DTU: +45 4525 1886 Phone Alectia: +45 8819 1365 Mail: cah at byg.dtu.dk From obrien_liam at hotmail.com Fri Oct 23 16:33:33 2009 From: obrien_liam at hotmail.com (Liam O'Brien) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:33:33 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] H3K reporting - input.xml file syntax Message-ID: Hi all, I wonder if someone could advise me regarding getting this input to ALSO produce a csv file with zone temperates at each time step. It currently produces an xml file that merely contains min/max/avg values for temperatures over the simulation period. I don't want to dump all data because it's pushing the limits of my computer. Thanks in advance. Liam O'Brien false false true tree building/zone_*/air_point/temperature false false false true false _________________________________________________________________ CDN College or University student? Get Windows 7 for only $39.99 before Jan 3! Buy it now! http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9691636 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091023/69140f3c/attachment.html From Bartosz.Lomanowski at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca Fri Oct 23 18:06:19 2009 From: Bartosz.Lomanowski at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca (Lomanowski, Bartosz) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:06:19 -0400 Subject: [esp-r] Re: H3K reporting - input.xml file syntax References: Message-ID: Liam, You can output variables to a csv file with the following xml tag. building/zone_*/air_point/temperature The * is a wildcard if you want to plot for all zones. There is some good documentation on the use of the H3K reporting facility in the source code: src/cetc/h3kreports/H3Kreports_Configuration.txt It's very useful once you get the hang of it. - Bart NRCan, Canada >Hi all, > >I wonder if someone could advise me regarding getting this input to ALSO produce a csv file with zone temperates at each >time step. It currently produces an xml file that merely contains min/max/avg values for temperatures over the simulation >period. > >I don't want to dump all data because it's pushing the limits of my computer. > >Thanks in advance. > >Liam O'Brien From Lukas.Swan at dal.ca Fri Oct 23 17:56:25 2009 From: Lukas.Swan at dal.ca (Lukas Swan (Dal)) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:56:25 -0300 Subject: [esp-r] Re: H3K reporting - input.xml file syntax In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005901ca5401$c239f880$46ade980$@Swan@dal.ca> Hi Liam: For what you want use- whatever_you_want Also of note: to get the min, max, avg, annual to a csv instead of an xml use- whatever_you_want You may have to set flat as well, I can't remember Lukas Dalhousie Univ. Canada From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Liam O'Brien Sent: October-23-09 12:34 PM To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] H3K reporting - input.xml file syntax Hi all, I wonder if someone could advise me regarding getting this input to ALSO produce a csv file with zone temperates at each time step. It currently produces an xml file that merely contains min/max/avg values for temperatures over the simulation period. I don't want to dump all data because it's pushing the limits of my computer. Thanks in advance. Liam O'Brien false false true tree building/zone_*/air_point/temperature false false false true false _____ Save up to 84% on Windows 7 until Jan 3-eligible CDN College or University students only. Hurry-buy it now for $39.99! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091023/c3ca86d8/attachment.html From kapsalakimaria at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 11:21:07 2009 From: kapsalakimaria at gmail.com (Maria Kapsalaki) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:21:07 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] esp-r with windows 7 Message-ID: <8d816ccc0910240321w39746b07reb777f6839b8dab2@mail.gmail.com> Dear All, Could someone let me know please if Esp-r is compatible with Windows 7. I think I am experiencing some problems. Best Regards -- Maria Kapsalaki PhD Student, Faculty of Engineering, University of Porto, MIT-Portugal Program -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091024/38f9bf83/attachment.html From cah at byg.dtu.dk Mon Oct 26 22:15:28 2009 From: cah at byg.dtu.dk (Christian Anker Hviid) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:15:28 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Mixing plant and ideal zone controls Message-ID: <78B14BBA2B77DF4186B975430E16648B0D1053@mail3.byg.dtu.dk> A question about plant and ideal zone control that I hope someone has a solution for. I have one zone ventilated by a plant with and without heat recovery. I think I need to link the plant to the zone before the effect of the heat recovery shows in the energy delivered. But I also need to specify a zone control that keeps the zone temperature at 20degC. I know I can put in a heating coil into the plant and control it to approximately 20degC, but for the sake of simplicity (in larger scale models) I just want to control my room temperature ideally. How do I link a plant and an ideal zone control to the same zone? I think the same problem arises if I want to link an air based and a water based plant to the same zone? Best regards Christian Anker Hviid Industrial PhD candidate DTU Byg Technical University of Denmark Brovej, building 118 DK-2800 Lyngby Phone DTU: +45 4525 1886 Phone Alectia: +45 8819 1365 Mail: cah at byg.dtu.dk From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Oct 27 16:19:02 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:19:02 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Mixing plant and ideal zone controls In-Reply-To: <78B14BBA2B77DF4186B975430E16648B0D1053@mail3.byg.dtu.dk> References: <78B14BBA2B77DF4186B975430E16648B0D1053@mail3.byg.dtu.dk> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372F00A0809@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> The normal response would be that it is not possible to associate a zone control and a plant control with the same zone because the two could fight each other during the solution process. We normally assume that the plant is doing it all rather than sharing the task. A work around would for smaller models might be to create an extra zone to deliver the plant ventilation to and then use a flow network to push/exchange that air into the real zone which has a zone control set to 20C. The other approach would be to not use explicit plant components and implement a rough equivalent of the plant components as zone controls in the extra zone and then use an air flow network to get the result of the abstract components via-a-zone into your real zone. Whether you can abstractly represent the system depends on what kind of heat recovery is being used in the building, but it is often possible to use a combination of flow components to capture the essential characteristics of ventilation and heat recovery. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Christian Anker Hviid [cah at byg.dtu.dk] Sent: 26 October 2009 22:15 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Mixing plant and ideal zone controls A question about plant and ideal zone control that I hope someone has a solution for. I have one zone ventilated by a plant with and without heat recovery. I think I need to link the plant to the zone before the effect of the heat recovery shows in the energy delivered. But I also need to specify a zone control that keeps the zone temperature at 20degC. I know I can put in a heating coil into the plant and control it to approximately 20degC, but for the sake of simplicity (in larger scale models) I just want to control my room temperature ideally. How do I link a plant and an ideal zone control to the same zone? I think the same problem arises if I want to link an air based and a water based plant to the same zone? Best regards Christian Anker Hviid Industrial PhD candidate DTU Byg Technical University of Denmark Brovej, building 118 DK-2800 Lyngby Phone DTU: +45 4525 1886 Phone Alectia: +45 8819 1365 Mail: cah at byg.dtu.dk _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Oct 27 16:57:22 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:57:22 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: esp-r with windows 7 In-Reply-To: <8d816ccc0910240321w39746b07reb777f6839b8dab2@mail.gmail.com> References: <8d816ccc0910240321w39746b07reb777f6839b8dab2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372F00A080B@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> No one in ESRU has access to a Windows 7 machine. Perhaps someone in the community may be able to comment. In such messages it would be most helpful if the specific nature of the problem is included. What happened, what module was running when the problem occurred, what version of ESP-r was being used? Was the localle set to USA or UK (in order for the decimal places in numbers to be scanned correctly). Were there any messages noticed? -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Maria Kapsalaki [kapsalakimaria at gmail.com] Sent: 24 October 2009 11:21 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] esp-r with windows 7 Dear All, Could someone let me know please if Esp-r is compatible with Windows 7. I think I am experiencing some problems. Best Regards -- Maria Kapsalaki PhD Student, Faculty of Engineering, University of Porto, MIT-Portugal Program From manzan at units.it Tue Oct 27 21:55:29 2009 From: manzan at units.it (Marco Manzan) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:55:29 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Mixing plant and ideal zone controls In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20091027225529.10242kmfa2hv7y9s@webmail.units.it> > Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:15:28 +0100 > From: "Christian Anker Hviid" > Subject: [esp-r] Mixing plant and ideal zone controls > To: > Message-ID: <78B14BBA2B77DF4186B975430E16648B0D1053 at mail3.byg.dtu.dk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > A question about plant and ideal zone control that I hope someone > has a solution for. > > I have one zone ventilated by a plant with and without heat > recovery. I think I need to link the plant to the zone before the > effect of the heat recovery shows in the energy delivered. > But I also need to specify a zone control that keeps the zone > temperature at 20degC. I know I can put in a heating coil into the > plant and control it to approximately 20degC, but for the sake of > simplicity (in larger scale models) I just want to control my room > temperature ideally. How do I link a plant and an ideal zone control > to the same zone? > I think the same problem arises if I want to link an air based and a > water based plant to the same zone? > > > > > > > > Best regards > > Christian Anker Hviid > Industrial PhD candidate > > DTU Byg > Technical University of Denmark > Brovej, building 118 > DK-2800 Lyngby > Phone DTU: +45 4525 1886 > Phone Alectia: +45 8819 1365 > Mail: cah at byg.dtu.dk > If only energy balance is concerned you can simply avoid the plant by using heat recovery efficiency and changing accordingly the air change rate into the zone. If you have a 1 ach external air into the zone and heat recovery efficiency is 90 % you can change the infiltration to 0.1 ach, this way you can still use an ideal zone controller. This schema does not works if you want to control also humidity, because also external moisture is affected by the reduced infiltration. In this case you have to simulate the plant avoiding the ideal controller. best regards Marco -- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |Marco Manzan Email: manzan at units.it | |Tel: (+39) 040 5583506 Fax : (+39) 040 572033 | |Dipartimento di Ingegneria Navale, del Mare e per l'Ambiente | |Universita' degli Studi di Trieste | |piazzale Europa 1, 34127 TRIESTE | |_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From anthonynone at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 17:38:50 2009 From: anthonynone at gmail.com (anthony none) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:38:50 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: esp-r with windows 7 In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372F00A080B@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <8d816ccc0910240321w39746b07reb777f6839b8dab2@mail.gmail.com> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372F00A080B@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: Dear Mrs. Kapsalaki, I have access to a windows 7 machine and I shall try to find out with the latest esp-r setup within the next few days (probably during the weekend). Until then I would recommend setting up a virtualBox (Sun) with Linux/XP, inside windows 7. MS's latest OS appears quite stable (thus recommendable for a VirtualBox implementation ). Using Linux on a VirtualBox inside 7, allows oneall Linux functionality as well as using a datafile produced in Linux to be used in a windows & app and vice versa. One question though: Is it a 32-bit or a 64-bit windows 7 setup? Could you please, as Dr. Hand suggested, post/email your findings.. -Antonios Maitos. 2009/10/27 Jon Hand > > No one in ESRU has access to a Windows 7 machine. Perhaps someone in the > community > may be able to comment. > > In such messages it would be most helpful if the specific nature of the > problem is > included. What happened, what module was running when the problem > occurred, > what version of ESP-r was being used? Was the localle set to USA or UK (in > order for > the decimal places in numbers to be scanned correctly). Were there any > messages noticed? > > -Jon Hand > ________________________________________ > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Maria Kapsalaki [kapsalakimaria at gmail.com] > Sent: 24 October 2009 11:21 > To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > Subject: [esp-r] esp-r with windows 7 > > Dear All, > > Could someone let me know please if Esp-r is compatible with Windows 7. I > think I am experiencing some problems. > > > Best Regards > -- > Maria Kapsalaki > PhD Student, > Faculty of Engineering, University of Porto, MIT-Portugal Program > > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091027/f80a9f70/attachment.html From kapsalakimaria at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 20:28:59 2009 From: kapsalakimaria at gmail.com (Maria Kapsalaki) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:28:59 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: esp-r with windows 7 In-Reply-To: References: <8d816ccc0910240321w39746b07reb777f6839b8dab2@mail.gmail.com> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372F00A080B@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <8d816ccc0910271328h4cb1fe05r315535c9967a0689@mail.gmail.com> Thank you all for your quick response. My problem was solved and apparently until now there is not problem in the compatibility of ESP-r with windows 7. It is working perfectly.Once again, thank you. maria 2009/10/27 anthony none > Dear Mrs. Kapsalaki, > I have access to a windows 7 machine and I shall try to find out with the > latest esp-r setup within the next few days (probably during the weekend). > > Until then I would recommend setting up a virtualBox (Sun) with Linux/XP, > inside windows 7. > MS's latest OS appears quite stable (thus recommendable for a VirtualBox > implementation ). Using Linux on a VirtualBox inside 7, allows oneall Linux > functionality as well as using a datafile produced in Linux to be used in a > windows & app and vice versa. > One question though: Is it a 32-bit or a 64-bit windows 7 setup? Could you > please, as Dr. Hand suggested, post/email your findings.. > > -Antonios Maitos. > > 2009/10/27 Jon Hand > >> >> No one in ESRU has access to a Windows 7 machine. Perhaps someone in the >> community >> may be able to comment. >> >> In such messages it would be most helpful if the specific nature of the >> problem is >> included. What happened, what module was running when the problem >> occurred, >> what version of ESP-r was being used? Was the localle set to USA or UK >> (in order for >> the decimal places in numbers to be scanned correctly). Were there any >> messages noticed? >> >> -Jon Hand >> ________________________________________ >> From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Maria Kapsalaki [kapsalakimaria at gmail.com] >> Sent: 24 October 2009 11:21 >> To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> Subject: [esp-r] esp-r with windows 7 >> >> Dear All, >> >> Could someone let me know please if Esp-r is compatible with Windows 7. I >> think I am experiencing some problems. >> >> >> Best Regards >> -- >> Maria Kapsalaki >> PhD Student, >> Faculty of Engineering, University of Porto, MIT-Portugal Program >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> esp-r mailing list >> >> esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk >> http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r >> > > -- Maria Kapsalaki PhD Student, Faculty of Engineering, University of Porto, MIT-Portugal Program -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091027/f8c12041/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Oct 30 09:25:28 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:25:28 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Air flow networks, temperature pick up of internal nodes In-Reply-To: <78B14BBA2B77DF4186B975430E16648B0D104F@mail3.byg.dtu.dk> References: <78B14BBA2B77DF4186B975430E16648B0D104F@mail3.byg.dtu.dk> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372F00A081E@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A question about flow networks... The use of additional flow nodes to support control actions or additional components are sometimes called bookkeepping nodes. If there are, for example, 3 bookkeepping nodes within a zone officex one option is to define them as internal nodes of unknown pressure and when it asks whether it should be a fixed temperature or take the temperature of another zone choose the relevant node. The entry in the flow network with a real node manager_a and a bookkeepping node man_book which took the temperature of manager_a would look something like: Node Fld. Type Height Temperature Data_1 Data_2 manager_a 1 0 1.5000 20.000 0.0000 40.501 . . . man_book 1 0 1.5000 manager_a 0.0000 40.501 I just ran a quick simulation and plotted the temperatures of the nodes and found that man_book was a flat line at 20C. So there would appear to be a bug in the graphing facility. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Christian Anker Hviid [cah at byg.dtu.dk] Sent: 23 October 2009 12:04 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Air flow networks, temperature pick up of internal nodes A question on air flow networks and internal nodes. I have a network of nodes, some are associated with thermal zones, some are internal (acting as separators between two duct sizes). I think that normally an internal node will track the temperature of the upstream node unless it is set to track the temperature of a specific node. I use the former representation but when I plot the temperature of the internal nodes, the temperature is reset to zero. Am I mistaken? Should I always manually set internal nodes to track upstream nodes? Or should I not worry too much of the temperature of internal nodes as they are represented in a special way? I do not think the Cookbook is completely clear on this subject. Best regards Christian Anker Hviid Industrial PhD candidate DTU Byg Technical University of Denmark Brovej, building 118 DK-2800 Lyngby Phone DTU: +45 4525 1886 Phone Alectia: +45 8819 1365 Mail: cah at byg.dtu.dk _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Fri Oct 30 09:44:21 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:44:21 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Air flow networks, temperature pick up of internal nodes In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372F00A081E@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <78B14BBA2B77DF4186B975430E16648B0D104F@mail3.byg.dtu.dk> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372F00A081E@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <001401ca5945$9006f130$b014d390$@geissler@intergga.ch> To test this, maybe try h3k output, which was extended to output of air flow networks, some time ago. Achim -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jon Hand Sent: Freitag, 30. Oktober 2009 10:25 To: Christian Anker Hviid; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Air flow networks, temperature pick up of internal nodes A question about flow networks... The use of additional flow nodes to support control actions or additional components are sometimes called bookkeepping nodes. If there are, for example, 3 bookkeepping nodes within a zone officex one option is to define them as internal nodes of unknown pressure and when it asks whether it should be a fixed temperature or take the temperature of another zone choose the relevant node. The entry in the flow network with a real node manager_a and a bookkeepping node man_book which took the temperature of manager_a would look something like: Node Fld. Type Height Temperature Data_1 Data_2 manager_a 1 0 1.5000 20.000 0.0000 40.501 . . . man_book 1 0 1.5000 manager_a 0.0000 40.501 I just ran a quick simulation and plotted the temperatures of the nodes and found that man_book was a flat line at 20C. So there would appear to be a bug in the graphing facility. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Christian Anker Hviid [cah at byg.dtu.dk] Sent: 23 October 2009 12:04 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Air flow networks, temperature pick up of internal nodes A question on air flow networks and internal nodes. I have a network of nodes, some are associated with thermal zones, some are internal (acting as separators between two duct sizes). I think that normally an internal node will track the temperature of the upstream node unless it is set to track the temperature of a specific node. I use the former representation but when I plot the temperature of the internal nodes, the temperature is reset to zero. Am I mistaken? Should I always manually set internal nodes to track upstream nodes? Or should I not worry too much of the temperature of internal nodes as they are represented in a special way? I do not think the Cookbook is completely clear on this subject. Best regards Christian Anker Hviid Industrial PhD candidate DTU Byg Technical University of Denmark Brovej, building 118 DK-2800 Lyngby Phone DTU: +45 4525 1886 Phone Alectia: +45 8819 1365 Mail: cah at byg.dtu.dk _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From laxpcl at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Oct 30 13:48:14 2009 From: laxpcl at nottingham.ac.uk (Liu Pei-Chun) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:48:14 -0000 Subject: [esp-r] [ESP-r] issues regarding air flow network and CFD Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091030/40fa768c/attachment-0001.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Fri Oct 30 14:45:19 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:45:19 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: [ESP-r] issues regarding air flow network and CFD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372F00A0825@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Questions about air flow and CFD Information about the equations used in the flow network are available in a PhD thesis by Jan Hensen (look on the ESRU web site) and the source code has lots of commentary as well as the actual equations in the code. ESP-r simulation is based on the domains that have been defined. If you have a CFD domain defined in the model you will get the CFD solver along with the other relevant domains. If you do not want the CFD solution you should remove references to the CFD domain from your model configuration file. Cp values can be derived from many sources - some people prefer wind tunnel tests, others prefer to create a CFD model of the site and run it with wind from different directions. There is also a web based tool from a University in The Netherlands which can be used to evaluate Cp values for certain building types. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Liu Pei-Chun [laxpcl at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 30 October 2009 13:48 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] [ESP-r] issues regarding air flow network and CFD Dear ESP-r users, I am now operating ESP-r in the windows XP. My issues are as follows: Firstly, the Cp database within ESP-r is proposed to be used for low-rise buildings (up to 3 storeys). If my modelling case is placed in the 8th level above the ground which means the node height is about 30m. I wonder how the Cp value is calculated. Secondly, the ESP-r cookbook suggests that it?s better to place a boundary node at the height of each opening to the outside. If nodes and connections are at different heights, then the pressure difference will also include stack effects. My case is that I set the connection height the same as the boundary node and is lower than the internal node (0.8m). The results showed that the neutral pressure difference at connection shift to 10 pa while the stack pressure at connection is zero and the zero heat gain is applied. I would like to know where can I find more information regarding the equations used in the airflow network calculation? Finally, I try to use the CFD module within ESP-r. I found that once I defined the .dfd file in the modelling case, the simulation will run the CFD even I choose not to activate CFD during the simulation. I wonder if something wrong with the program or it is due to my operation system. Regards, Pei-Chun (Ingrid), Liu PhD Student Sustainable Research Building School of the Built Environment University of Nottingham NG7 2RD Tel: +44 (0)115 84 67262 Email: laxpcl at nottingham.ac.uk This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses, which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. From mdbusman at wesm.ph Sun Nov 1 14:14:00 2009 From: mdbusman at wesm.ph (Michael Dan B. Usman) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:14:00 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] building a 6zone structure References: Message-ID: <769816CA134B044B8E32CDC61489B4D306C388@moappsvr5.wesm.ph> hello everybody, i am currently having problems in building 6zones for my study. i have no problems with the first zone since it does not have to copy any of its surfaces from other zones. the problem starts every time i copy surfaces from other zones. whenever i build the zones, i encounter a problem in the naming of the surfaces. it seems to be a hexadecimal symbol that takes the place of the surface name. when i delete that surface, all the other surfaces shift names and the hexadecimal symbol is still there. i end up deleting all the surfaces or doing the whole building all over since when i delete surfaces, other zones are affected. what could be the problem? thanks! From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Sun Nov 1 15:55:30 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 15:55:30 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: building a 6zone structure In-Reply-To: <769816CA134B044B8E32CDC61489B4D306C388@moappsvr5.wesm.ph> References: , <769816CA134B044B8E32CDC61489B4D306C388@moappsvr5.wesm.ph> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372F00A0827@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> It would be helpful if you supplied the version of ESP-r that you are using as well as the operating system that you are running. Also, for ESP-r to work correctly the localle of the computer should be set to the UK or USA to ensure that decimal places are read correctly. Also, if you could attach one of the zone geometry files that is giving a problem this would help. Does the naming problem happen with the 2nd and 3rd zone if you do not copy a surface from another zone? -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Michael Dan B. Usman [mdbusman at wesm.ph] Sent: 01 November 2009 14:14 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] building a 6zone structure hello everybody, i am currently having problems in building 6zones for my study. i have no problems with the first zone since it does not have to copy any of its surfaces from other zones. the problem starts every time i copy surfaces from other zones. whenever i build the zones, i encounter a problem in the naming of the surfaces. it seems to be a hexadecimal symbol that takes the place of the surface name. when i delete that surface, all the other surfaces shift names and the hexadecimal symbol is still there. i end up deleting all the surfaces or doing the whole building all over since when i delete surfaces, other zones are affected. what could be the problem? thanks! From aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk Sun Nov 1 23:20:10 2009 From: aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk (Aizaz Samuel) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:20:10 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Air flow networks, temperature pick up of internal nodes In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372F00A081E@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: <78B14BBA2B77DF4186B975430E16648B0D104F@mail3.byg.dtu.dk>, <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372F00A081E@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: If node info is printed/displayed in numerical order then correct values are displayed. Maybe some day this afn bug will be sorted:} -Aizaz ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jon Hand [jon at esru.strath.ac.uk] Sent: 30 October 2009 09:25 To: Christian Anker Hviid; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Re: Air flow networks, temperature pick up of internal nodes A question about flow networks... The use of additional flow nodes to support control actions or additional components are sometimes called bookkeepping nodes. If there are, for example, 3 bookkeepping nodes within a zone officex one option is to define them as internal nodes of unknown pressure and when it asks whether it should be a fixed temperature or take the temperature of another zone choose the relevant node. The entry in the flow network with a real node manager_a and a bookkeepping node man_book which took the temperature of manager_a would look something like: Node Fld. Type Height Temperature Data_1 Data_2 manager_a 1 0 1.5000 20.000 0.0000 40.501 . . . man_book 1 0 1.5000 manager_a 0.0000 40.501 I just ran a quick simulation and plotted the temperatures of the nodes and found that man_book was a flat line at 20C. So there would appear to be a bug in the graphing facility. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Christian Anker Hviid [cah at byg.dtu.dk] Sent: 23 October 2009 12:04 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Air flow networks, temperature pick up of internal nodes A question on air flow networks and internal nodes. I have a network of nodes, some are associated with thermal zones, some are internal (acting as separators between two duct sizes). I think that normally an internal node will track the temperature of the upstream node unless it is set to track the temperature of a specific node. I use the former representation but when I plot the temperature of the internal nodes, the temperature is reset to zero. Am I mistaken? Should I always manually set internal nodes to track upstream nodes? Or should I not worry too much of the temperature of internal nodes as they are represented in a special way? I do not think the Cookbook is completely clear on this subject. Best regards Christian Anker Hviid Industrial PhD candidate DTU Byg Technical University of Denmark Brovej, building 118 DK-2800 Lyngby Phone DTU: +45 4525 1886 Phone Alectia: +45 8819 1365 Mail: cah at byg.dtu.dk _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From mdbusman at wesm.ph Mon Nov 2 00:38:55 2009 From: mdbusman at wesm.ph (Michael Dan B. Usman) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:38:55 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] Re: building a 6zone structure References: , <769816CA134B044B8E32CDC61489B4D306C388@moappsvr5.wesm.ph> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372F00A0827@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <769816CA134B044B8E32CDC61489B4D306C389@moappsvr5.wesm.ph> i am using the latest version of esp-r native windows simulator, version 11.7 build 4333. no problems when i do not copy surfaces from another zone. how do i incorporate similar surfaces between zones without copying? attached are all of the zones. as of now all surface names from zone-reception cannot be read the simulator. the last zone i edited yesterday was zone-openofc. it was the only zone having problems. but after going thru the zone again, the problem spilled over to zone-reception. and others got affected as well. thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Model NSUR = 6 db NSUR = 0 db last record = 0 I have checked that my surfaces have correct vertices, starting from bottom left and go anticlockwise. I have no problem running the example "building with shading". However; I have problem with a simpler model, my model. Thank you for your help. Regards Adhi __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091105/38bfb8e5/attachment.html From laxpcl at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Nov 9 10:05:16 2009 From: laxpcl at nottingham.ac.uk (Liu Pei-Chun) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 10:05:16 -0000 Subject: [esp-r] [ESP-r] enquiry about wind pressure related issues Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Usman) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 18:13:36 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] surface topology problem References: Message-ID: <769816CA134B044B8E32CDC61489B4D306C38E@moappsvr5.wesm.ph> i am using esp-r native windows version 11.7 i was able to build my structure with 6 zones without copying surfaces from other zones. after completing all zones, i made a 'variant' of the completed zones by adding the suffix "copy1". i built each zone separately and then just updated the 'construction' and 'environment' for each surface. all surfaces that are shared by other zones have the 'environment' attribute tagged as "ANOTHER". and checking that the other surface has the same surface type, location, and construction. but when trying to simulate, this error pops up: A model with inconsistent surface topology attributes might fail when simulated. This will list where. found surface attribute... ANOTHER Boundary looking for EXTER in Wctrlnorth:controlroom connection is... 12 Wctrlnorth in controlroom is External found surface attribute... ANOTHER although checking the surface-vertex topology of one of the zones, this is the message: Enclosure is fully bounded. what could be the problem/s in my model? attached is the zone 'controlroom' con and geo files. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091109/5d313ef8/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: controlroomcopy1.geo Type: application/octet-stream Size: 3323 bytes Desc: controlroomcopy1.geo Url : http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091109/5d313ef8/attachment.obj -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The email below seems to indicate that the setting of the additional items was not completed. There is a menu in the project manager : browse/edit/simulate -> zone composition -> surface connections & boundary which allows prj to search through each of the polygons that make up a model to see if some are likely to represent surfaces in adjacent zones which are likely to have thermophysical connections. If there is a close match geometrically for the polygons then the association is created. If no other surface is found that is a geometric match then the interface asks you want you want to do. This process is quite a bit quicker than setting the details in the zone composition -> geometry -> surface attributes menu for each surface individually. In ESP-r the word 'topology' is used in two contexts - a) the list of edges which make up each polygon and if correct results in a zone properly bounded message b) the thermophysical connection between each surface and a boundary condition -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Michael Dan B. Usman [mdbusman at wesm.ph] Sent: 09 November 2009 10:13 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] surface topology problem i am using esp-r native windows version 11.7 i was able to build my structure with 6 zones without copying surfaces from other zones. after completing all zones, i made a 'variant' of the completed zones by adding the suffix "copy1". i built each zone separately and then just updated the 'construction' and 'environment' for each surface. all surfaces that are shared by other zones have the 'environment' attribute tagged as "ANOTHER". and checking that the other surface has the same surface type, location, and construction. but when trying to simulate, this error pops up: A model with inconsistent surface topology attributes might fail when simulated. This will list where. found surface attribute... ANOTHER Boundary looking for EXTER in Wctrlnorth:controlroom connection is... 12 Wctrlnorth in controlroom is External found surface attribute... ANOTHER although checking the surface-vertex topology of one of the zones, this is the message: Enclosure is fully bounded. what could be the problem/s in my model? attached is the zone 'controlroom' con and geo files. From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Nov 12 07:32:54 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:32:54 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: question about building an overhang In-Reply-To: <876940.74795.qm@web62203.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: , <255089.82608.qm@web62207.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372F00A0850@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk>, <115126.71123.qm@web62205.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372F00A0851@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk>, <876940.74795.qm@web62203.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA41372F0EFA92E@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> There have been several people who have been asking about how to setup solar obstruction in ESP-r. The best response would be to create a short screen tutorial. But since that is not yet available try the following: Please look in the project manager browse/edit/simulate -> zone composition -> geometry & attribution -> (pick a zone) -> solar obstruction -> dimensional input And in that menu you can define one or more blocks which can be used to obstruct direct solar radiation for this zone. There are help messages in the interface. -Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: AdhiS?? [adhi_vanjava at yahoo.ca] Sent: 10 November 2009 18:59 To: Jon Hand Subject: question about building an overhang Hello Jon, Sorry to disturb you again with another thing. I'm new in ESP-r, I'd like to build a window with an overhang. I think, it can be constructed from obstruction blocks. But when, I see the example Simple (f) (building with overhang), it gives No.obstr blocks = 0 and I don't see w_obs or s_obs on the surface list either, why? I can see number of blocks on the example Simple (c). Thank you very much for the info. cheers, Adhi ________________________________ The new Internet Explorer? 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! From milan.janak at stuba.sk Thu Nov 12 10:25:31 2009 From: milan.janak at stuba.sk (Milan Janak) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:25:31 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] esp-r example model for concrete slab activation Message-ID: Dear All, I am looking for esp-r example model of concrete slab mass activation (betonkernaktivierung)for heating/cooling. I am looking for well calibrated, building+plant model for hollow ceiling (e.g. Cobiax) application. Best regards, Milan Janak Slovak University of Technology. From pcorreiasilva at gmail.com Wed Nov 18 09:59:15 2009 From: pcorreiasilva at gmail.com (Pedro Correia da Silva) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:59:15 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Transparent layer properties Message-ID: <4B03C573.1010907@gmail.com> Hello! I'm using the control of the transparent layer properties to simulate the activation of a shading device, set by the indoor illuminance (around 1800lux). However, it is not working properly - I am verifying it analyzing the "Zone Casual Gains". Is there anyone experienced similar problems using this control? How can I solve it? I am using a ESP-r v11_7_4333 (windows). Best regards, -- Pedro Correia da Silva FEUP - Faculty of Engineering of the University of Porto Porto, PORTUGAL http://www.fe.up.pt From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Wed Nov 18 11:56:24 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:56:24 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Transparent layer properties In-Reply-To: <4B03C573.1010907@gmail.com> References: <4B03C573.1010907@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001ca6846$29f19ca0$7dd4d5e0$@geissler@intergga.ch> Hi Pedro analyzing casual gain control for lighting via res is known to be buggy, however, the actual calculations are O.K. if defined correctly. Have you tried a simulation period with your control and without (the same period) and compared e.g. cooling load or "solar entering" or some such parameter? To see if there is any effect? Achim -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pedro Correia da Silva Sent: Mittwoch, 18. November 2009 10:59 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Transparent layer properties Hello! I'm using the control of the transparent layer properties to simulate the activation of a shading device, set by the indoor illuminance (around 1800lux). However, it is not working properly - I am verifying it analyzing the "Zone Casual Gains". Is there anyone experienced similar problems using this control? How can I solve it? I am using a ESP-r v11_7_4333 (windows). Best regards, -- Pedro Correia da Silva FEUP - Faculty of Engineering of the University of Porto Porto, PORTUGAL http://www.fe.up.pt _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From mdbusman at wesm.ph Thu Nov 19 00:18:58 2009 From: mdbusman at wesm.ph (Michael Dan B. Usman) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:18:58 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] pid examples References: Message-ID: <769816CA134B044B8E32CDC61489B4D306C395@moappsvr5.wesm.ph> dear all, i'm trying to simulate the pid exemplar but the command does not execute. i get this message instead "* Corrected file C:\Esru\esp-r\training\pid\cfg\pid.ss.cfg" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please help us to help you. And almost all of the exemplar models have been updated in the last couple of months and will be available in the next release. Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Michael Dan B. Usman [mdbusman at wesm.ph] Sent: 19 November 2009 00:18 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk; esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] pid examples dear all, i'm trying to simulate the pid exemplar but the command does not execute. i get this message instead "* Corrected file C:\Esru\esp-r\training\pid\cfg\pid.ss.cfg" From paul at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 15:04:04 2009 From: paul at esru.strath.ac.uk (Paul Strachan) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:04:04 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] ESP-r introductory course Message-ID: <4B055E64.1070601@esru.strath.ac.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Site exposure typical urban. * Corrected file C:\Esru\esp-r\training\pid\cfg\pid.ss.cfg thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091120/da005523/attachment.html From pcorreiasilva at gmail.com Mon Nov 23 14:14:28 2009 From: pcorreiasilva at gmail.com (Pedro Correia da Silva) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:14:28 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Daylight sensor Message-ID: <4B0A98C4.7050801@gmail.com> Currently I am working in the simulation of the different control strategies of shading devices and electric lighting, in ESP-r. However, I have a difficulty when I try do define a shading control set by the indoor illuminance. How can I define the position of a "Daylight sensor" if I am trying to control the optical properties of the window, using the indoor illuminance value as a threshold? (Please check the attached picture) I would like to associate this daylight sensor to the daylight sensor position defined at the "Casual Gains Control". Is this association made automatically? Best regards, Pedro Silva From esim at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca Tue Nov 24 17:53:54 2009 From: esim at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca (ES.SE ESim) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:53:54 -0500 Subject: [esp-r] FW: eSim 2010 Call for Software Demos Message-ID: (Apologies for cross postings) Call for Software Demos - eSim 2010 IBPSA-Canada's biennial conference, eSim, brings together professionals, academics and students interested in building performance simulation issues and applications. The 2010 conference is hosted by Manitoba Hydro, in collaboration with the National Research Council of Canada. It will be held in Winnipeg, Canada on May 19 and 20, 2010 (pre-conference and post-conference workshops on May 18 and 21, 2010). Software companies and individuals are invited to take part in special software demos sessions during the conference. Much like technical presentations, the software demos sessions will consist of presentations in front of an audience. However, these presentations will not be peer-reviewed and therefore not included in the conference proceedings - although the submission of a technical paper on the software that meets one of the conference themes is encouraged! To be eligible for a presentation during the software demo sessions, the software must be a commercial product or be freely available (on a web site for example). Furthermore, the presenter must be a registered participant. Please note that the scientific committee has the right to limit the number of software tools being presented. The deadline to submit a software application is Decemeber 4, 2009. To submit, just click on the "Software Demo Submission" tab on www.esim.ca Conference Chair: Devin Evenson, Manitoba Hydro, devenson at hydro.mb.ca Chair of the Scientific Committee: Dr. Iain A Macdonald, National Research Council Canada, iain.macdonald at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091124/67c7ff48/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 11362 bytes Desc: image001.gif Url : http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091124/67c7ff48/attachment.gif From lzytongji at yahoo.com.cn Wed Nov 25 07:45:39 2009 From: lzytongji at yahoo.com.cn (=?utf-8?B?5p2O5b+X6Iux?=) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:45:39 +0800 (CST) Subject: [esp-r] Aboutthe output of Renewables/adv.comp. Message-ID: <427060.47261.qm@web15907.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> Hi All, ? ????????????What is the difference between the two choice of "Heat/Power output" and "Misc.output" of Renewables/adv.comp.? And what is?the unit for the both? ? ?????????????Another question is for "special material data". I have defined a special material, then why i can't get anything except only click the item? ? ???????????? Who can help me to answer those question?, please. Thanks a lot! ? Sincerely, Teresa ___________________________________________________________ ????????????????? http://card.mail.cn.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091125/e1c88497/attachment-0001.html From lzytongji at yahoo.com.cn Tue Dec 1 08:50:03 2009 From: lzytongji at yahoo.com.cn (=?utf-8?B?5p2O5b+X6Iux?=) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:50:03 +0800 (CST) Subject: [esp-r] illuminance model in result analysis? 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URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091201/258341ac/attachment.html From Gunter.Pueltz at MuellerBBM.de Tue Dec 1 09:23:35 2009 From: Gunter.Pueltz at MuellerBBM.de (Pueltz, Gunter) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:23:35 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] seasonal control of heating Message-ID: ESP-r specialists, a simple question concerning an ideal heating control: During winter - say January to March and November to December - I want to activate the heating system by an ideal heating control; but during summer (April to October) I want to deactivate heating. The problem is: - one zone can only be connected with ONE control-function - within the control function only ONE valid period can be defined My question is: How can I deactivate heating control during summer period by using ONE control function ? Regards, Gunter -- Dr. Gunter P?ltz M?ller-BBM GmbH Robert-Koch-Stra?e 11 82152 Planegg Telefon +49(89)85602-336 Telefax +49(89)85602-111 E-Mail Gunter.Pueltz at MuellerBBM.de http://www.MuellerBBM.de HRB M?nchen 86143 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Bernd Gr?zinger, Dr. Edwin Schorer, Norbert Suritsch From Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn Tue Dec 1 09:44:59 2009 From: Georgios.KOKOGIANNAKIS at nottingham.edu.cn (Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 17:44:59 +0800 Subject: [esp-r] Re: seasonal control of heating In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <076B831E3BD70140B69F1D47DF456F4A154F39E796@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn> Hi Gunter, A simple way is to use the tdf facility (model context menu -> impose measured data and look for SETPTT item). The CEN 15265 validation tests use this approach. Check at the validation folder. There is also the option of using different day types inside the classic controls menu but I have not used it myself and I do not believe that it is applicable on seasonal variations such as yours. Best regards, Georgios -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pueltz, Gunter Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:24 PM To: 'esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk' Subject: [esp-r] seasonal control of heating ESP-r specialists, a simple question concerning an ideal heating control: During winter - say January to March and November to December - I want to activate the heating system by an ideal heating control; but during summer (April to October) I want to deactivate heating. The problem is: - one zone can only be connected with ONE control-function - within the control function only ONE valid period can be defined My question is: How can I deactivate heating control during summer period by using ONE control function ? Regards, Gunter -- Dr. Gunter P?ltz M?ller-BBM GmbH Robert-Koch-Stra?e 11 82152 Planegg Telefon +49(89)85602-336 Telefax +49(89)85602-111 E-Mail Gunter.Pueltz at MuellerBBM.de http://www.MuellerBBM.de HRB M?nchen 86143 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Bernd Gr?zinger, Dr. Edwin Schorer, Norbert Suritsch _______________________________________________ esp-r mailing list esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r ******************************************************************************************************************************* This email has been scanned by the Altman Email Security System. 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For more information please visit www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems ******************************************************************************************************************************* From aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk Tue Dec 1 11:32:47 2009 From: aizaz.a.samuel at strath.ac.uk (Aizaz Samuel) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:32:47 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: seasonal control of heating In-Reply-To: <076B831E3BD70140B69F1D47DF456F4A154F39E796@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn> References: <076B831E3BD70140B69F1D47DF456F4A154F39E796@MBX.nottingham.edu.cn> Message-ID: <200912011132.48141.aizaz.a.samuel@strath.ac.uk> Gunter, There has been an extension to day type facility recently and is available in the current version. One can define day types in addition to legacy week/sat/sunday from context>calendar>day types. This should ideally be done before defining controls and operations information. Once daytype "summerday" and "winterday" are defined in the calendar (and associated with Julian days of the year), different control laws and schedules can be associated in the same control loop as with week/sat/sunday. Do say how you get on. Regards, Aizaz On Tuesday 01 December 2009 09:44, Georgios KOKOGIANNAKIS wrote: > Hi Gunter, > > A simple way is to use the tdf facility (model context menu -> impose > measured data and look for SETPTT item). The CEN 15265 validation tests use > this approach. Check at the validation folder. > > There is also the option of using different day types inside the classic > controls menu but I have not used it myself and I do not believe that it is > applicable on seasonal variations such as yours. > > Best regards, > Georgios > > > -----Original Message----- > From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk > [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pueltz, Gunter Sent: > Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:24 PM > To: 'esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk' > Subject: [esp-r] seasonal control of heating > > ESP-r specialists, > > a simple question concerning an ideal heating control: > > During winter - say January to March and November to December - > I want to activate the heating system by an ideal heating control; > but during summer (April to October) I want to deactivate heating. > > The problem is: > - one zone can only be connected with ONE control-function > - within the control function only ONE valid period can be defined > > My question is: > How can I deactivate heating control during summer period by using > ONE control function ? > > Regards, > Gunter > > -- > Dr. Gunter P?ltz > > M?ller-BBM GmbH > Robert-Koch-Stra?e 11 > 82152 Planegg > Telefon +49(89)85602-336 > Telefax +49(89)85602-111 > E-Mail Gunter.Pueltz at MuellerBBM.de > http://www.MuellerBBM.de > > HRB M?nchen 86143 > Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Bernd Gr?zinger, Dr. Edwin Schorer, Norbert Suritsch > > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r > *************************************************************************** >**************************************************** This email has been > scanned by the Altman Email Security System. > For more information please visit www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems > > *************************************************************************** >**************************************************** > *************************************************************************** >**************************************************** This email has been > scanned by the Altman Email Security System. > For more information please visit www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems > > *************************************************************************** >**************************************************** > _______________________________________________ > esp-r mailing list > esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk > http://lists.strath.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/esp-r From lzytongji at yahoo.com.cn Tue Dec 1 14:58:41 2009 From: lzytongji at yahoo.com.cn (=?utf-8?B?5p2O5b+X6Iux?=) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:58:41 +0800 (CST) Subject: [esp-r] What are the meanings "Opaq surf conv@extrn" & "Opaq surf conv@partns" Message-ID: <936420.81554.qm@web15908.mail.cnb.yahoo.com> Hi all, ? ???? In the Results Analysis, In the model "Zone flux", I am very confused by the four items: g (Opaq surf conv at extrn) & h?(Opaq surf conv at partns); i (Tran surf conv at extrn) & j (Tran surf conv at extrn). ? ???? What?are the difference between g&h, i&j? ?What are the meaning of "@extrn"&"@partns"? I can't figure out what they are. ? ? ????? Anybody can help me that, Many thanks to you! ? Thanks, Teresa? ___________________________________________________________ ????????????????? http://card.mail.cn.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Here are some definitions: Opaq surf conv at extr - convection heat exchange at opaque surfaces that face the outside Opaq surf conv at partns - convective heat exchange at opaque surfaces that DO NOT face the outside Tran surf conv at extrn - convection heat exchange at transparent surfaces that face the outside partns is short for partitions. extr is short for exterior. -ESRU ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? [lzytongji at yahoo.com.cn] Sent: 01 December 2009 14:58 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] What are the meanings "Opaq surf conv at extrn" & "Opaq surf conv at partns" Hi all, In the Results Analysis, In the model "Zone flux", I am very confused by the four items: g (Opaq surf conv at extrn) & h (Opaq surf conv at partns); i (Tran surf conv at extrn) & j (Tran surf conv at extrn). What are the difference between g&h, i&j? What are the meaning of "@extrn"&"@partns"? I can't figure out what they are. Anybody can help me that, Many thanks to you! Thanks, Teresa ________________________________ ????????????????? From radu_trm at yahoo.com Wed Dec 2 23:25:25 2009 From: radu_trm at yahoo.com (Radu Trimbitas) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:25:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [esp-r] Strange plant results for very simple model Message-ID: <502757.6464.qm@web34406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello, I have a very simple model with: -one zone where nothing happens (no windows, no doors, yet attributed) -one simple plant [ambient => duct => zone => out fan => duct] linked to that zone. There's no heater, aside the sun. Yet after running a simulation for 10-15of January (climate = France/Paris/Orly) res displays air at +70 C at plant fan air node. I've tried to get inspired/compare with various examples included with esp-r but I don't see where's the fault. Given the model is small, I attach it here - I hope its not against list's policy. I hope somebody can spot and point me to the mistake(s) I've made. Using esp-r 11.7 on Ubuntu 9.10. Thank you! Regards, Radu PS I only have the esp-r cookbook for documentation - I might be a little slow, but I feel it's not enough. I've seen a book 'Energy Simulation in Building Design, Second Edition' of M. J. Clarke. I doubt I have to mention, I'm new to simulation, esp and I don't have a strong background in thermodynamics. Is there any chance that I can find useful things for me? Just wondering if not too advanced for poor me. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Best Regards Andre Keul Graduate student at the Norwegian University of Science and Technology From nick at esru.strath.ac.uk Thu Dec 3 18:51:52 2009 From: nick at esru.strath.ac.uk (Nicolas Kelly) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 18:51:52 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: Strange plant results for very simple model In-Reply-To: <502757.6464.qm@web34406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <502757.6464.qm@web34406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1C6300D291585C479F60053DBF140E8ABECD66E3F1@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Radu - the problem is likely to be the fan model. Check the component's data - especially the rated flow rate. If this is significantly less than the rate you've assignmed to the component then the model generates a significant amount of heat. To get rid of the problem - increase the rated flow value to the assigned flow value for the component. Regards. Nick Kelly ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Radu Trimbitas [radu_trm at yahoo.com] Sent: 02 December 2009 23:25 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] Strange plant results for very simple model Hello, I have a very simple model with: -one zone where nothing happens (no windows, no doors, yet attributed) -one simple plant [ambient => duct => zone => out fan => duct] linked to that zone. There's no heater, aside the sun. Yet after running a simulation for 10-15of January (climate = France/Paris/Orly) res displays air at +70 C at plant fan air node. I've tried to get inspired/compare with various examples included with esp-r but I don't see where's the fault. Given the model is small, I attach it here - I hope its not against list's policy. I hope somebody can spot and point me to the mistake(s) I've made. Using esp-r 11.7 on Ubuntu 9.10. Thank you! Regards, Radu PS I only have the esp-r cookbook for documentation - I might be a little slow, but I feel it's not enough. I've seen a book 'Energy Simulation in Building Design, Second Edition' of M. J. Clarke. I doubt I have to mention, I'm new to simulation, esp and I don't have a strong background in thermodynamics. Is there any chance that I can find useful things for me? Just wondering if not too advanced for poor me. From hwan at dasskorea.com Wed Dec 9 06:02:02 2009 From: hwan at dasskorea.com (=?EUC-KR?B?sei5zsiv?=) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:02:02 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] Enthalpy control Message-ID: Hi all! I'm trying to figure it out how to sense enthalpy to control. And if I want to check the result of enthalpy control(e.g. load) should I add (de)humidification load to heating/cooling load? Your advice will be appreciated. Regards Mark -- Researcher, Integrated Simulation Team, DASS consultants Ltd. 632-9 Guui 1(il)-dong Gwangjin-gu Seoul (143-834 Korea) T. 82.2.913.2585/ F. 82.2.949.2585/ H. www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091209/bc954a27/attachment.html From adhi_vanjava at yahoo.ca Thu Dec 10 15:03:24 2009 From: adhi_vanjava at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?Q?AdhiS=FC=DF?=) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:03:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [esp-r] simulating VDI 6020 Message-ID: <694457.81376.qm@web62205.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hello, I did simulation VDI 6020 (Example 1) with ESP-r. It is not clear what weather data is used in that test. My friend said, it is TRY for Wuerzburg (weather region 5). I built the model and used this weather data, but the results are different. Same trend but not close (see VDI6020.jpg). My question is: is that the correct weather data for VDI 6020 test? if yes, why is so much different between VDI's results and ESP-r's results? I have checked construction and schedule of my model are according to VDI 6020 (Example 1). Thank you for your help. regards Adhi __________________________________________________________________ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer? 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091210/f051393a/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Achim From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of AdhiS?? Sent: Donnerstag, 10. Dezember 2009 16:03 To: ESP-r Subject: [esp-r] simulating VDI 6020 Hello, I did simulation VDI 6020 (Example 1) with ESP-r. It is not clear what weather data is used in that test. My friend said, it is TRY for Wuerzburg (weather region 5). I built the model and used this weather data, but the results are different. Same trend but not close (see VDI6020.jpg). My question is: is that the correct weather data for VDI 6020 test? if yes, why is so much different between VDI's results and ESP-r's results? I have checked construction and schedule of my model are according to VDI 6020 (Example 1). Thank you for your help. regards Adhi _____ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar : Search from anywhere on the web and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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[adhi_vanjava at yahoo.ca] Sent: 10 December 2009 15:03 To: ESP-r Subject: [esp-r] simulating VDI 6020 Hello, I did simulation VDI 6020 (Example 1) with ESP-r. It is not clear what weather data is used in that test. My friend said, it is TRY for Wuerzburg (weather region 5). I built the model and used this weather data, but the results are different. Same trend but not close (see VDI6020.jpg). My question is: is that the correct weather data for VDI 6020 test? if yes, why is so much different between VDI's results and ESP-r's results? I have checked construction and schedule of my model are according to VDI 6020 (Example 1). Thank you for your help. regards Adhi ________________________________ [http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/ca/iotg_search.jpg]Yahoo! Canada Toolbar : Search from anywhere on the web and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now! From achim.geissler at intergga.ch Fri Dec 11 07:39:57 2009 From: achim.geissler at intergga.ch (Achim Geissler) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:39:57 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: simulating VDI 6020 In-Reply-To: <384250.94592.qm@web62201.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <694457.81376.qm@web62205.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <002701ca79af$a110f040$e332d0c0$@geissler@intergga.ch> <384250.94592.qm@web62201.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001501ca7a35$24165860$6c430920$@geissler@intergga.ch> Dear Adhi 1) Yes, the startup days ? 1 day is too short for most models. Use at least 7 days, heavy constructions can easily require 21 days 2) Example 1 seems to be a steady state case. You will need to create your own meteo file with a constant temperature of 22 ?C, no solar. The change in temperature then results from the ?Machines? with 1000 W that run from 6 to 18:00. However ?no long wave radiation? is difficult. Probably you would need to set external surface emissivity to 0. Or maybe sky and ground fractions to 0. Achim From: AdhiS?? [mailto:adhi_vanjava at yahoo.ca] Sent: Donnerstag, 10. Dezember 2009 19:08 To: Achim Geissler Subject: Re: [esp-r] simulating VDI 6020 Dear Achim, 1. Do you mean the "start-up days" ? If yes, it's 1 day 2. I don't know it is a jump response or not but I am attaching page 51 & 52 of VDI 6020 test for your opini. It could be, the test is using contanst temperature (22C), or is this the initial temperature? Thanks for your help Adhi _____ From: Achim Geissler To: AdhiS?? ; ESP-r Sent: Thu, December 10, 2009 4:44:12 PM Subject: RE: [esp-r] simulating VDI 6020 Dear Adhi allthough I do not know what the Example 1 in VDI 6020 covers, the results you sent give rise to following questions for me: 1) How long was your ?warm up? for ESP-r? 2) Is Example 1 not a ?jump response? type of test? The 6020 plot seems to imply this In any case, an old ?Bine? information (III/99) covers VDI 6020 in its development stage and also compares ESP-r results (among others). Here, ?Example 1? shows good agreement. Achim From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of AdhiS?? Sent: Donnerstag, 10. Dezember 2009 16:03 To: ESP-r Subject: [esp-r] simulating VDI 6020 Hello, I did simulation VDI 6020 (Example 1) with ESP-r. It is not clear what weather data is used in that test. My friend said, it is TRY for Wuerzburg (weather region 5). I built the model and used this weather data, but the results are different. Same trend but not close (see VDI6020.jpg). My question is: is that the correct weather data for VDI 6020 test? if yes, why is so much different between VDI's results and ESP-r's results? I have checked construction and schedule of my model are according to VDI 6020 (Example 1). Thank you for your help. regards Adhi _____ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar : Search from anywhere on the web and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now! _____ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091211/b626f433/attachment.html From hwan at dasskorea.com Sun Dec 13 22:43:16 2009 From: hwan at dasskorea.com (=?EUC-KR?B?sei5zsiv?=) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 07:43:16 +0900 Subject: [esp-r] Enthalpy control In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all! I'm trying to figure it out how to sense enthalpy to control. And if I want to check the result of enthalpy control(e.g. load) should I add (de)humidification load to heating/cooling load? Your advice will be appreciated. Regards Mark -- Researcher, Integrated Simulation Team, DASS consultants Ltd. 632-9 Guui 1(il)-dong Gwangjin-gu Seoul (143-834 Korea) T. 82.2.913.2585/ F. 82.2.949.2585/ H. www.dasskorea.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091214/90c10629/attachment.html From Gunter.Pueltz at MuellerBBM.de Mon Dec 14 07:01:53 2009 From: Gunter.Pueltz at MuellerBBM.de (Pueltz, Gunter) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:01:53 +0100 Subject: [esp-r] Re: simulating VDI 6020 Message-ID: Adhi, if you have set the boundary conditions according to VDI 6020 correctly - which means adiabatic for inner surfaces and a constant temperature of 22 degree at the outside of your external wall - then you can recognize, that the ambient conditions (say weather data) do not play any role !!! Moreover the great difference between VDI 6020 and your results with ESP - especially at the beginning of the simulation period - is caused by a different default value of temperatures in your test room. ESP uses a default value of 15 degree (at the start of the simulations), whereas VDI 6020 uses a default temperature of 22 degree. I am not sure, whether this default value (temperature start value) can be changed in ESP .... Hope this helps, Gunter -- Dr. Gunter P?ltz M?ller-BBM GmbH Robert-Koch-Stra?e 11 82152 Planegg Telefon +49(89)85602-336 Telefax +49(89)85602-111 E-Mail Gunter.Pueltz at MuellerBBM.de http://www.MuellerBBM.de HRB M?nchen 86143 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Bernd Gr?zinger, Dr. Edwin Schorer, Norbert Suritsch -----Original Message----- From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [mailto:esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk]On Behalf Of AdhiS?? Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 4:03 PM To: ESP-r Subject: [esp-r] simulating VDI 6020 Hello, I did simulation VDI 6020 (Example 1) with ESP-r. It is not clear what weather data is used in that test. My friend said, it is TRY for Wuerzburg (weather region 5). I built the model and used this weather data, but the results are different. Same trend but not close (see VDI6020.jpg). My question is: is that the correct weather data for VDI 6020 test? if yes, why is so much different between VDI's results and ESP-r's results? I have checked construction and schedule of my model are according to VDI 6020 (Example 1). Thank you for your help. regards Adhi _____ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar : Search from anywhere on the web and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091214/354d0d94/attachment.html From esim at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca Tue Dec 15 17:46:22 2009 From: esim at NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca (ES.SE ESim) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:46:22 -0500 Subject: [esp-r] eSim 2010 Update Message-ID: (Apologies for cross postings) IBPSA-Canada's biennial conference, eSim, brings together professionals, academics and students interested in building performance simulation issues and applications. The 2010 conference is hosted by Manitoba Hydro, in collaboration with the National Research Council of Canada. It will be held in Winnipeg, Canada on May 19 and 20, 2010 (pre-conference and post-conference workshops on May 18 and 21, 2010). Conference Keynote Speakers Confirmed Professor Ian Beausoleil-Morrison of Carleton University and Thomas Auer, Managing Director and Partner of Transsolar GmBH have been confirmed as the Keynote Speakers of eSim 2010. Ian has a rich experience of simulation tool development and use in Canada and internationally, notably leading the successful IEA Annex 42 (Simulation of Building-Integrated Fuel Cell and Other Cogeneration Systems); Thomas has developed energy and building services concepts for projects around the world noted for their innovative design and low energy use. Manitoba Hydro Place is one such example of where Thomas's firm has utilized simulation to design what is considered one of the most energy efficient high rise buildings in North America. The conference organizers are excited to have both these individuals as part of the conference as they are both highly regarded within the industry. Call for Software Demos Software companies and individuals are invited to take part in special software demo sessions during the conference. Much like technical presentations, the software demo sessions will consist of presentations in front of an audience. However, these presentations will not be peer-reviewed and therefore not included in the conference proceedings - although the submission of a technical paper on the software that meets one of the conference themes is encouraged! To be eligible for a presentation during the software demo sessions, the software must be a commercial product or be freely available (on a web site for example). Furthermore, the presenter must be a registered participant. Please note that the scientific committee has the right to limit the number of software tools being presented. To submit, just click on the "Software Demo Submission" tab on www.esim.ca Paper Submission Deadline for Manuscripts Reminder - December 17th For those individuals who have had their abstracts approved by the Scientific Committee, the paper submission deadline for manuscripts of December 17th is quickly approaching. Please be sure to submit your papers on time. 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VDI 2078 (VDI Cooling Load regulation) is revised at the moment. The new kernel of calculation is VDI 6007 (Calculation of transient thermal response of rooms and buildings), with the parts: 1 = Modelling of rooms, 2 = Modelling of Windows and 3 = Modelling of Radiation. The parts 1 and 2 have already appeared, part 3 comes in March 2010. In the test examples of VDI 6020, unfortunately, misprints have appeared at the input data. The examples in VDI 6020 almost are all in VDI 6007 without the misprints. For VDI 6007 You get all data of INPUT and OUTPUT on CD in form of Exceltables. I recommend therefore using VDI 6007 for comparison calculations. Part 2 contains the calculated tables of window and sunshade combinations. Frank Zimmermann Chairman of the commission for VDI 2078, VDI 6020 and VDI 6007 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091221/3660be4e/attachment.html From luckygrass100 at hotmail.com Tue Dec 22 05:27:12 2009 From: luckygrass100 at hotmail.com (=?gb2312?B?zfW+1buo?=) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 05:27:12 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] How to set shading&Insolation factors? Message-ID: Dear all? I am confusd about the shading&Insolation module.Here is the document of January for a rectangular room with a window in the wall facing south.So there are 7 faces including top,base face and the window.I just want to set the window have a shading factor of 0.29 at 10:00 to 15:00.How should I edit the document?And what does the ?24 hour internal surface insolation? or ?matched surface insolation factors?mean?They are generated automatically. Maybe I can set them zero all? Any answers are apreciated.Thank you!from DAISY. * Shading and insolation data in db ../zones/exterior_A.shd 6 7 # zone index & number of surfaces * month: `Jan` 24 hour external surface shading 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 # direct 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 # diffuse - surface 1 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 # direct 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 # diffuse - surface 2 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 # direct 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 # diffuse - surface 3 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 # direct 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 # diffuse - surface 4 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 # direct 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 # diffuse - surface 5 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 # direct 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 # diffuse - surface 6 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 # direct 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 # diffuse - surface 7 24 hour internal surface insolation record offsets 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 surfaces insolated by source 1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 4 4 4 6 6 6 6 6 3 3 3 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 3 6 6 3 3 3 3 3 6 6 2 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 0 3 3 4 4 0 0 0 0 2 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 matched surface insolation factors 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.65 0.86 0.48 0.52 0.63 0.69 0.69 0.59 0.50 0.63 0.63 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.35 0.07 0.31 0.29 0.35 0.31 0.31 0.41 0.50 0.30 0.37 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.07 0.20 0.20 0.02 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.07 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 _________________________________________________________________ ??????? Windows Live Messenger? http://www.windowslive.cn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091222/a536c7da/attachment.html From jon at esru.strath.ac.uk Tue Dec 22 09:21:55 2009 From: jon at esru.strath.ac.uk (Jon Hand) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:21:55 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] Re: How to set shading&Insolation factors? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4139F066350DD@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> A question about shading and insolation... In the example below there does not seem to have been any shading calculated for any surface. The format of the ASCII shading file is as follows: 24 hour external surface shading 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 # direct 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 # diffuse - surface 1 . . . the first two lines are direct shading (hours 1-12 and then hours 13-24) the second two lines are for diffuse shading (hours 1-12 and then hours 13-24) there are thus 4 lines related to shading for each surface. To define shading from 10h00 to 15h00 at 0.29 you need to edit the last two entries in the first direct line for the relevant surface and then the initial three entries in the next line. The format for the insolation section comes in two parts. The first part: surfaces insolated by source 1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 4 4 4 6 6 6 6 6 3 3 3 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 3 6 6 3 3 3 3 3 6 6 2 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 . . . Each insolation source (window) can insolate up to 10 room surfaces and the 10 lines tell the simulator which surface are insolated at each hour. Each of these lines has 24 entries (one for each hour) and a -1 says there is no sun. A positive number is the index of the surface which is most insolated. For example the 7th entry in the first line above is a 4 and that says the 4th surface in the room is insolated at hour 7. The 7th entry in the next line is for surface 3. The last section of the insolation section defines the percentage of the direct solar radiation passing through the window that goes to the relevant surface. If you do not want insolation calculated then you need to set that directive in the project manager in the shading & insolation menu entry under zone geometry. The source code in esruish gives much more information about this. Regards, Jon Hand ________________________________________ From: esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk [esp-r-bounces at lists.strath.ac.uk] On Behalf Of ??? [luckygrass100 at hotmail.com] Sent: 22 December 2009 05:27 To: esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk Subject: [esp-r] How to set shading&Insolation factors? Dear all? I am confusd about the shading&Insolation module.Here is the document of January for a rectangular room with a window in the wall facing south.So there are 7 faces including top,base face and the window.I just want to set the window have a shading factor of 0.29 at 10:00 to 15:00.How should I edit the document?And what does the ?24 hour internal surface insolation? or ?matched surface insolation factors?mean?They are generated automatically. Maybe I can set them zero all? Any answers are apreciated.Thank you!from DAISY. * Shading and insolation data in db ../zones/exterior_A.shd 6 7 # zone index & number of surfaces * month: `Jan` 24 hour external surface shading 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 # direct 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 # diffuse - surface 1 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 # direct 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 # diffuse - surface 2 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 # direct 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 # diffuse - surface 3 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 # direct 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 # diffuse - surface 4 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 # direct 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 # diffuse - surface 5 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 # direct 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 # diffuse - surface 6 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 # direct 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 # diffuse - surface 7 24 hour internal surface insolation record offsets 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 surfaces insolated by source 1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 4 4 4 6 6 6 6 6 3 3 3 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 3 6 6 3 3 3 3 3 6 6 2 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 0 3 3 4 4 0 0 0 0 2 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 matched surface insolation factors 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.65 0.86 0.48 0.52 0.63 0.69 0.69 0.59 0.50 0.63 0.63 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.35 0.07 0.31 0.29 0.35 0.31 0.31 0.41 0.50 0.30 0.37 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.07 0.20 0.20 0.02 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.07 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 ________________________________ ??+??+?? ??????,??MSN????! ????? From ibeausol at mae.carleton.ca Wed Dec 23 16:50:25 2009 From: ibeausol at mae.carleton.ca (Ian Beausoleil-Morrison) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 11:50:25 -0500 Subject: [esp-r] release of ESP-r version 11.8 Message-ID: <009d01ca83f0$06c4a220$144de660$@carleton.ca> ESP-r users and developers, Version 11.8 of the ESP-r system is now available. A summary of the changes and new features included in this release is given at the bottom of this e-mail. The source code may be accessed via the ESP-r Central Subversion repository. To do this, you must first install a Subversion client on your system. Free clients are available at http://subversion.tigris.org/getting.html. Once you have installed the Subversion client you can download the source code for version 11.8 of ESP-r anonymously using the following command: svn checkout https://espr.svn.cvsdude.com/esp-r/trunk If you already downloaded the source code of a previous version with the above command, then you do not have to do a full download of version 11.8. Rather, you can update the source code by executing the following command from your "trunk" directory: svn update (ESP-r developers who wish to make source code contributions to ESP-r should contact Bart Lomanowski at Bartosz.Lomanowski at nrcan.gc.ca who can configure an account for you on ESP-r Central. Further information on ESP-r Central for developers is available on the ESRU web site.) ESP-r source code is available exclusively through ESP-r Central. However, ESRU will continue to produce and post pre-compiled versions for specific operating environments on its web site. These binary versions will generally be made available within a few days of a source code release and will be announced to this e-mail list. Release notes will also continue to be posted on the ESRU web site. Regards, Ian Beausoleil-Morrison ESP-r Archivist on behalf of the ESP-r development team Carleton University Ottawa, Canada Release Notes 11.8 (December 2009) ==================== Simulator --------- - New control domains have been added for complex fenestration systems (CFCs). The facility expands CFC functionality to allow for dynamic control of shade layer deployment/retraction and slat angle adjustment as a result of a sensor/actuator/control law description. Control functions are set up from Project Manager in a similar fashion to other control domains. It is also possible to set up a schedule for shading actions. - A new global controller has been implemented. This controller senses the state of control loops in plant and flow domain and actuates the actuator of one control loop in the plant or flow domain, hence emulating the action of a simple MISO controller. The actions that are performed on multiple inputs are AND, OR, NOT, SLAVE, MAX and MIN. - An occupant behaviour model has been added. This is a stastical description of occupant behaviour related to thermal comfort and occupant behaviour and is modelled as adaptive algorithms as a flow network controller controlling windows, doors, fans and air conditioning. - Individual zone controls have been implemented for the idealized HVAC ASHP-cooling model. Zone control models a zoned air handler which sends cooling to individual zones depending on thermostat calls. - Corrected a bug in BCL06 (zone - plant linkage) previously mass diversion ratio was assumed to be unity when calculating heating/cooling load of a zone. - A mechanism has been implemented for moving a model in terms of changes in latitude and longitude as defined in a roaming file. Solar calculations are performed per timestep as the model moves. For times when the model is in motion between named locations (for which latitude and longitude is given) linear interpolation is used. Model is also rotated as described in the roaming file. Upon rotation pressure coefficients are also changed if an air flow network is active. Shading blocks are not rotated. Project Manager --------------- - Control day types are now synchronised with calendar day types from the context menu. Now users can define day types in the context menu and associate different controls for different day types. The day type description is consistent with operations description of day types. Controls can be associated with one of three schemes to describe day types as follows: 1) One control for all days 2) Different controls for day types as described in the context menu i.e. a list of Julian days for every day type (or if not defined then default to week/sat/sunday) 3) Dates of validity. One control is active all days within each period defined by dates of validity. - General upgrade for shading and obstruction entities to support additional obstruction rotations and a generalized six sided obstruction type. Results Analyzer ---------------- - Revise tabular listing option in res module to support additional columns of data (now ~20 columns to the application feedback and ~24 columns when exporting to file). Validation/Compliance Checking ------------------------------ - Standard models for UK NCM compliance have been updated to reflect changes in the UK NCM methods for infiltration. - Scripts have been added to automate the mandated UK NCM test sequence. - Include system calls to official compliance reporting tools needed for UK NCM use (when running in Native Windows). General ------- - Added a parameter option for the ish module so it can use existing ASCII shading files rather than recalculate shading. This has been implemented as an option in the Install script with a substantial savings in time to build ESP-r. - Increase the geometric complexity of individual surfaces. This is useful for corridor floors and for users who are digitizing zones from complex rooms in CAD drawings. - Increase the maximum number of zones in models to 72. This allows UK NCM test models to be run and users who need to work with larger models can do so with the standard distribution (e.g. not have to re-compile). - Many improvements have been made to improve the operation of ESP-r in the various supported operating environments. - Many improvements have been made to data structures to facilitate further developments. Additional Changes ------------------ - Many additional changes have been made that are transparent to the user. Information on these, as well as further details on all the above-mentioned changes, can be found in ESP-r Central's change log. From luckygrass100 at hotmail.com Wed Dec 23 13:57:58 2009 From: luckygrass100 at hotmail.com (=?gb2312?B?zfW+1buo?=) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 13:57:58 +0000 Subject: [esp-r] FW: How to set shading&Insolation factors? In-Reply-To: <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4139F066350DD@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> References: , <2C3CF455489D6B4F95AFAB84847FA4139F066350DD@E2K7-MS2.ds.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: Dear all: I found all default shading factors are 0.000 for any surface.For exampe,shading factors for January of surface 1 is as follows. > 24 hour external surface shading > 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 > 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 # direct > 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 > 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 # diffuse - surface 1 I wonder if shading factors 0.000 means that there is no shading?That is,100% of solar radiation passing through the window. If I define shading from 10h00 to 15h00 at 0.29,it means at this period,there is 71% of solar radiation passing through the window?The bigger shading factor is, the better the window shading effect,yes?This is abhorrent to shading coefficient which is a measure of the ability of a window or skylight to transmit solar heat, relative to that ability for 3 mm (1/8-inch) clear, double-strength, single glass. In addition,I changed visable transmission of window glass from 0.76 to 0.29,and updated TMC files,but heat&cooling load and solar heat of rooms were the same.I can't understand. FYI.Thanks in advance.From Daisy. _________________________________________________________________ ??????? Windows Live Messenger? http://www.windowslive.cn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.strath.ac.uk/archives/esp-r/attachments/20091223/120fd674/attachment.html