[esp-r] Re: CEN standard 13791 + CEN 15251

[Pueltz, Gunter]

Dear Paul,

nice to hear that ESP-r has been validated successfully according 
to CEN standard 13791 - congratulation ESRU !

Nevertheless it would help me (and other ESP-r users ?), if an
"official certificate" of ESRU with confirmation of the
successfull validation of ESP-r would be available.
Both - as a download pdf-file and on ESP-r website ... ?

Do you think such a certificate by ESRU will be available
for all ESP-r users in the future ?

Regards,
Gunter

> -----Original Message-----
> From: paul strachan [mailto:paul at esru.strath.ac.uk]
> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 10:39 AM
> To: Pueltz, Gunter
> Cc: 'esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk'
> Subject: Re: [esp-r] CEN standard 13791 + CEN 15251
> 
> 
> Dear Gunter,
> 
> With regard to the 13791 standard, the tests have been 
> included in the 
> validation section of ESP-r - select "Standards" in the menu choice.
> 
> You can run the tests yourself to confirm all are within the Standard 
> tolerance.
> 
> The models are in the source code distribution ... 
> esp-r/validation/CEN/13791/
> 
> Regards
> Paul
> 
> Pueltz, Gunter wrote:
> > Dear ESRUs,
> >
> > following questions concerning the two CEN standards 13791 + 15251:
> >
> > 1) CEN standard 13791:
> > Has ESP-r been successfully validated according to CEN 
> standard 13791
> > meanwhile ?
> > Your answer to my last request has been very hopefully (see 
> below) ...
> > In case of - Is an official certificate from ESRU available for this
> > successfull validation ?
> >
> > 2)  CEN standard 15251:
> > The final version of CEN standard 15251 (2007) includes a 
> special evaluation
> > scheme for
> > acceptable operative (= resultant) temperatures during 
> summer in rooms
> > WITHOUT any cooling 
> > plant (see CEN standard 15251, appendix A.2):
> > The maximum operative temperature is defined as a function 
> of "mean ambient
> > air temperature",
> > which must be averaged from ambient air temperatures of the 
> last 7 days (24
> > hours) -
> > similar to ASHRAE standard no. 55.
> > Now my question: Is a new feature in the res-module 
> available, which is able
> > to
> > do such an evaluation of operative temperatures - similar 
> to the evaluation
> > scheme
> > according to ISO 7730 (valid for rooms WITH a cooling plant) ?
> > As frequencies of overriding the given limitations is also 
> defined in CEN
> > standard 15251,
> > this new feature must be able to calculate the number of 
> yearly hours (or
> > percentage of time),
> > when the given maxima are passed (too high operative 
> temperatures during
> > summer); this must be done
> > according to the defined classes (I - II - III - IV) of 
> thermal comfort (see
> > attached example from 
> > the CEN standard 15251); thus an adequate output (perhaps 
> in excel-format ?)
> > would help to perform 
> > such an evaluation according to CEN standard 15251 ...
> >
> > To do this evaluation via excel would be very 
> labour-intensive and time
> > consuming :-((((
> >
> > Regards,
> > Gunter
> >
> > --
> > Dr. Gunter Pültz
> >
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> >
> >   
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: P Strachan [mailto:paul at esru.strath.ac.uk]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 2:28 PM
> >> To: Pueltz, Gunter
> >> Cc: Jon Hand
> >> Subject: RE: [ESP-r] CEN standard 13791
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear Gunter,
> >>
> >> We have to pass the 13791 tests for UK accreditation, 
> >> together with other tests. We are in the final stages of this 
> >> - I will announce on the list, hopefully in the next 2 weeks, 
> >> that all the tests have be passed.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Paul
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk on behalf of Pueltz, Gunter
> >> Sent: Wed 09-Aug-06 7:27 AM
> >> To: 'esp-r at lists.strath.ac.uk'
> >> Subject: [ESP-r] CEN standard 13791
> >>  
> >> Dear ESRUs,
> >>
> >> the new distribution of ESP-r, ver 11.1, contains several 
> test cases
> >> concerning the CEN standard 13791 (see attached file).
> >> But I am not only interested in the test cases described in 
> >> this standard -
> >> I am interested in an official certificate from ESRU, which 
> >> validates that
> >> ESP-r does COMPLETELY fullfill the requirements of the CEN 
> >> standard 13791 !
> >>
> >> Is there such an official certificate from ESRU available ?
> >>
> >> -Gunter
> >>
> >> --
> >> Gunter Pültz
> >>
> >> Müller-BBM GmbH
> >> Robert-Koch-Straße 11
> >> 82152 Planegg
> >> Telefon +49 (0)89 85602 - 336
> >> Telefax +49 (0)89 85602 - 111
> >> http://www.MuellerBBM.de 
> >>
> >>
> >>     
> >> 
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